Kink talk with Gemini, hate fucking, and DP fantasies

I was going to pull the mic closer to me but then I remembered what you just said about there being germs on it and so now I have to keep it there and remind myself to just stay still right here I don't need that to be any closer to me it's just fine where it is as the man with the small cock says I don't think two inches makes a difference and of course it's always only the guy with the two inches that says that hi how are you? I'm good, how are you? I'm good, and hello to our listeners fuck your 50 shades of grey this is a real thing right that blows me away our colours are much better there's a lot of black and blue and red it's kind of nice so I'm really excited because we have really special people I wore a skirt today precisely because we were going to have special people I've worn a skirt in before but this is my favourite skirt and so I thought of this as I was getting dressed so that I could come in I wanted to wear my favourite outfit and people that would be a ruffled cream coloured skirt and a black v-neck t-shirt this is her favourite outfit her favourite outfit is a black v-neck t-shirt it's one of my favourite and it's comfortable I'm sorry I am not going to rock I'm not going to diss you and your love of the comfortable clothes that's totally cool and you're a lesbian so I think that it totally coincides but I'm just saying you know coming out and claiming that this is your favourite outfit you could say it's your favourite comfy outfit you know what I'm saying there's a pattern there's like these different areas that you can need to categorise you said you weren't going to mock me and that's exactly what you're doing I'm sorry I lied I always mock I can't not I open my mouth and mocking happens it's I have a I have a mocking mouth that's what I have I can't stop it but anyway and I thought that we have some really really fantastic people we actually have a really a full studio this is exciting this never happens normally it's just Nancy and I we're sitting here bullshitting and fuck who knows could be here and of course there's like a window behind me and there could be a bunch of people in the lobby but like I don't notice so it's like very intimate and it's me and Nancy and then Sonya in the studio Sonya's always pretty Sonya's always pretty Sonya's beautiful she's fantastic I love her so much anyway so we've got a lot of people in the studio we actually have six people including us all of the chairs are taken yes this is exciting this makes me want to do this again I'm just saying I bring the party and that is the fantastic Gemini who most people on the Twitter know her as Musing in Colour hi her name is Gemini she's fantastic and I love her to death and then adjacent to her is 8 inch cock I want to point out that 8 inch cock is as far away as you can be from the penis hating lesbian in this room and I don't know if he did that or she did that but I think it's courteous of him to keep his massive cock away from her because she clearly has issues I asked him to sit next to me because I wanted to molest his massive cock well see it's still about the cock though right right about that well I'm sitting in my regular seat I know but I did tell them where you sat I told them the only two seats that were taken are yours and mine okay so just saying hi hi okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay whatever kind of pissed me off for the most part they they do kind of fit um i'm i don't know i don't know how to say it well a little bit of everything and a little bit of everyone and but at the same time i'm just me a little bit of well you're a switch yes and for those of uh of our listeners out there who are not aware of what that is that means uh you like to both top and bottom yes and for those of our listeners out there who aren't aware of what that means that means that you like to give and get pain yes so uh switches i i know switch is a lot better now than i used to they used to baffle me the concept of being a switch was just very confusing for somebody like me who is so d where this idea that well you you you could want to not be dominant you could want to not be submissive you confuse me um but in in my in my journey with the knowing of the switches is most of them tend to be a little bit more percentage one or the other where do you think your breakdown is between dominance and submission that's always a tough question um you know i always say that i'm deviant i'm not a sub i'm deviant sub this is true um but at the same time i am a little bit of an attention whore and i'm very much a masochist and so i may not want to be somebody else's sub but it doesn't mean that i don't enjoy what they do so probably i would say i'm more submissive than anything else and part of that is just because i like things to be happening to me all right well there you go but i've heard about your your your uh doming scenes yeah you have a you have a sadistic streak a little i feel like she and i would get along so well and if we were pegging a boy and dressing him up oh my god for those who obviously can't see what we're doing i'm staring at one of the guests in the studio with me this this afternoon that's right we have a boy guest does he like to be pegged um we haven't talked about that can we dress up we have we have we have talked about my clothes and and if he'll allow me to uh use one of his twitter names sure uh all right um this is new year's eve boy for people who haven't met oh my god she just had to push the microphone away i am meeting i new year's eve boy i don't know i don't know this story oh i know oh you're oh i the great version of the story is i was um running a dungeon at a new year's eve party about a year and a half ago and this guy comes in and he decided he wanted to be beat and i said okay so we set him up against the wall and he was molesting a pretty girl at the same time and i beat the fuck out of him wow that's really hot and we all got along really well and we traded info and the next day he sent me pictures of what i had done nice and uh we've been friends ever since and um yes he does like a little bit of the dress up um there was a for a while uh he was um wearing certain panties and things like that and sending me daily reports so wow part of part of what you would like to do part you know so new year's eve boy if i can bring you into this didn't know that was gonna happen did you when i'm here you never know um uh lace or silk never really thought about it no no but i'm just in the wearing they have very different feelings on men's junk from what i understand so in your experience which did you prefer on your junk i guess silk i don't know did it get you all pre-cummy i'm sorry i didn't negotiate with him beforehand i apologize i apologize people i did not negotiate with him we negotiate with the people that we have on we asked them beforehand hey you know so you can say i declined to answer and that's fine but really oh dear lord sorry carry on uh and our our other friend uh just grabbed the wine good call on the wine mind you she is keeping her mouth so fucking tightly shut because she doesn't want to be brought into it i'm not opposed to that oh i have five victims in the studio so much potential but that's ridiculous we only have an hour what's what's the person anyway oh no uh so i have another glass and more wine yay um all right so then uh very very quickly i'm gonna eight is here which is numbers eight which is weird um is here just because he and gemini and i are friends we actually know each other in the world and so he's like oh my god gemini's gonna be gone and he's like i'd love to hang out and i was like yeah my only time this weekend is the show never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never 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And yet his eight inch cock does not, which to me, I think is rather miraculous. So I've decided that that is either a blessing gift about the human throat or just the wonderful miracle of cock sucking versus brush teething, teeth brushing. I wonder if he has some sort of magic though, because I'm just saying. Did I get the magic if I ingested it? I want to know. I'm curious. And everybody's looking at me. I don't even know what to say to that. I'm so blown away right now because now it's like, no, no, because I knew you've had that. I just didn't know like you saying it. And then now she's had it too, I assume. And now I'm just like, well, shit. Now I feel like I've had it because I've made out with you and like penis has been in your mouth. By proxy, we've probably all had sex with everybody in this room. By proxy, probably. Wow. Close enough. I fisted you. You did. I fisted Gemini. And we've made out hardcore. Oh, yeah. And I have molested the hell out of Mermaid over here. Yes. And yeah, David and I. Yeah, yeah. Oops. So, yeah. Yeah. So there, yeah. We're all just a lot of sex in this room, which is fantastic. Just a whole lot of sex. So that was my comment about on Twitter. I said, you don't want to go so many degrees of separation for the people you've had sex with from Twitter. You just don't. Because then you will have started six degrees separation of Kevin Bacon. No, no, no. You have fucked everybody on this planet if you do six degrees of sex separation on Twitter. I'm just saying. You have. It's true. True statement. Everybody now start doing the math. Right. After the show. Right. All the active calculators are coming out now. Spreadsheets. Okay. So that was my first thing, missive about, or thing about, about eight. The second thing is I have a very, very good friend whom I love, Jay Kings. And she calls him cocky. Because, you know, eight inch cock. Cocky. I get it. It makes sense. And she's from Boston. So they do that kind of shit, right? And my funny thing is that you can totally call him cocky all you want. But if you meet him, he's the least cocky person on the planet. You would think he's packing four and a half inches. The way that he acts. I'm just serious. Because he acts so nice. He's such a sweet person. He's so gentle. He's so caring. And he's so. He's so giving. And he's adorable. And he's adorable. And he's so cute. God should not have given all of that to one person. And he's hiding under the table right now. But then, you know, most guys who got to pack a wallop with the hammer, they like walk around. They got to like stretch their thighs out to make room for the thing. You know, that's how most guys are. And that's just not really his style. So that's what I have to say about that. There you go. Oh, thank you. See, am I right? You guys are awesome. See, but see, I have my memory, my fond memory of him has nothing to do with. Share. My fond memory, my fond memory has to do with karaoke and the Rainbow Connection. Oh my God. Yes, karaoke. Oh my God. We had such a good time. Yes. No, but see, here's the thing is that I, I mean, granted, Rainbow Connection, I mean, come on, Rainbow Connection. Why are there so many songs about rainbows? Yeah. What is on the other side? Just curious. You know, it's just one of those songs. I'm sorry. You're a pansexual switch. You know what's everywhere. You know. Where is that? He was just so drunk and he was just so sweet. He was just so drunk. He was just so drunk and like, he just was like, there was something inside of him that was like, you don't understand how special this song is. Oh yes. And that, that, that has stuck with me. Like that to me is just, that's you. And you're just so, I just want to squeeze you. Even though you're like so super tall. Don't you like to hug tall people or are you, are you anti-tall people? I'm not anti-tall people. In fact, is it about, is it about the long like cylinder shape of a person? Is it too close to a cock? No. For you? No. In fact, I like hugs from tall people because they like totally like envelope me and it's like, oh. Their hug. Yes. Yes. Can you tell, I have a question. Sorry. Please. Can you please tell me what it was like to beat her? To beat Gemini? The first time. Yeah, I've played with her a few times and it was, it's, the first time you play with somebody, for me, from my perspective, it's always interesting because you're gauging kind of the connection. You're gauging them, the way that they're reacting. You know, you don't know how far you're going to go. You always go, I always go under whatever I think that they might be able to take because I just don't know. I need to, I need to give them time to process to be like, okay, is this something you want to do again? Do you want to go and try a little harder? Additionally, when she and I played, I, I had not done a lot of public play before. That's right. And I, I was very, I was very tentative about my skill set, about my abilities. And she is very experienced. And so I was like, I had a lot of intimidation. There was a lot going on. Aw. Wait, I intimidated you? Fuck yeah. That's kind of hot. Yeah, you're like a, she's like a super sub. Who do you mean super sub? You currently are a super server sub to many people. She's like a, she's actually, she's a pain slut and a super sub. So it's one of those, you know, I'm not a, I'm not the kind of dominant to be like, that is a challenge. I will accept it. Now, I say that in my head, but like in reality. Because you're kind of a nerd. That's why. Yes, I just, I busted out some sort of a lame comic book thing. But for, for when I, when I'm actually doing it, it's like, wow, that's a challenge. And I, and I assess myself. Can I handle this? Is this something I can do? Is this, is this going to break me as a dominant? And then maybe you sub people don't get that. But really, this is what goes through my head because I'm a constant self assessor, good or bad. I'm a constant, self assessor. And so playing with her was, it was really interesting because our energies are very copacetic. And so everything that I gave to her was flowing back to me very nicely. And, and every time I did whatever I was doing to her, whatever implement or a hand I was doing, I felt my confidence increase. I felt my sense that, oh, I really do belong. I'm not like, you know, it's not just all in my head. So it was, for me, it was really validating to, to play with her from my perspective. She doesn't know. None of this does she know. So until now, but until now, and now everybody kind of beside myself because that's really awesome. Yeah. You don't hear that from a lot of doms. Well, I'm, I'm, I'm terribly honest, much to my own demise. But additionally, she, she is the one that, that made me realize that my needle skills are unique and special. Very. So, because she's very experienced with needle play and she was my first ever. And she was really good at, at telling me specifically exactly how it felt when I did it compared to other people. And I was like, wow. And then I, I, I specifically started asking people questions when I did needles on them to, to see if there was a, you know, if there was a thread of, of, of, of similarity. And there was. So I was, it was her that made me realize, I'm a goddess with a needle. I got a little prick. I'm not afraid to use it. We should hang out. Okay. I'm going to poke her in the face. I have something in the car. I have the toy bag in the car. You know, we talked a lot about the toy bag this weekend, but the toy bag didn't see much action. No. When you travel with a toy bag, you actually have to have a plan for when you're going to use it. I've discovered this to be a true statement. Mm-hmm. Of course. Yeah. But you know. There's some hair pulling in some interesting Hello Kitty underpants, but other than that. That's true. I'm glad I got to buy two thinner tapes. Oh, we all love it. A lot of Inuit. Innuendo. Always. Life is about innuendo, so yeah. So does that answer your question? Well, but now I want to know her perspective. Please. Because I know that you guys have like this awesome friendship and like I've had the chance to IM with Gemini and I think she's fantastic. She's fantastic. Oh my God, you guys, I was waiting for like a year for that fucking hug. But anyways, please tell me what it was like for you. You know, not to zero it out or anything, but I think the way she worded it was exactly perfect. I do give very good feedback, I think. And so if something feels a certain way or if something is going a certain way, aside from the whole pain slut, you know, heavy bottom masochist thing, I'll tell you, you have to move it up to here or, you know, you're hitting too sensitive of a spot. You know, if you want to keep this going, let's go. Coloring out to me is not acceptable for me, for me. This isn't about other people. Remind me of a story. Okay. And so playing with Insidious Muse over here was awesome because she wanted the feedback and there are some that don't. You know, I'm very lucky. My dom deviant is very aware of what is going on, what is going on with your body, what is going on with his body, what is happening in the moment, what the tools are, et cetera. So is she. And so being able to do that and have that with somebody else was different. And I'm intimidated playing with other women, whether I'm topping or bottoming because women are stereotypically, but they exist for a reason, they can't handle it properly. They don't know how to process it and they kind of get something in their head and they're going to go a certain way and they're going to do a certain thing and they come with a plan and there's very little go with the flow and you can't really do that, especially if you're doing heavy play, whether it's needles or beatings or something else. You have to go with the flow. You have to be able to and willing to, to change at the drop of a hat and we communicated without having to say a word and it was perfect. I hadn't had that experience outside of my relationship with Deviant and I can't tell you how long. Wow. That was awesome. It's the truth. Very cool. So story. So I'm in Vegas and I'm given permission by her, her Deviant to play with her. The only question and caveat was that we had to give her the biggest, baddest bruise slash mark had to be dedicated to him. Had to be. So I was playing, I was co-topping with another femdom and we were focusing on this space. It was on your thigh, right? On your quad? It was on her thigh and we were focusing on this space and we were punching it, smacking it, hitting it, punching it, smacking it, literally over. And you know how normally I'm all about ebb and flow. I'm all about let's beat and then let's smooth it out. Let's beat and then let's smooth it out. None of that. It was relentless. It was fucking death metal on her leg. That's what it was. And I knew it was too much for her. It was obvious it was too much for her. But she's got that coloring out is for pussies thing that a lot of subs do that she wouldn't do it. And I was smacking and I said, say it. And she's just, she was gritting her teeth. She was digging her fingers into her nails into her palms and I smacked her again harder, say it. And she wouldn't do it and I'm like, and I like literally like three or four in a row, smack, smack, smack. Say it, motherfucker. And other people are going, they're looking at us going, what the fuck is going on around here? We're in a little room in this dungeon and they come and they're like, fuck. Like this is crossed over to abuse. We need to call the dungeon master. What I love is that the people into that room because that was the same room in which you guys fisted me. And this was after the fact. Like it was, beat the fuck out of me. Take me in here and make me have, I had to change the sheets. She squirted. For the first time, by the way. And then they decided to keep beating the fuck out of me because they decided none of the bruises I had were good enough for Diva. No, none of them. We needed a special one for him. Special one. We tried all these things. We tried to do an Indian burn in her skin at his name. It just wasn't working. Oh yeah. We tried a lot of things. Anyway, so then, so then, you know, at this point, I mean, she is, she is like worried. She is holding back tears. You could just tell. It was one, it was that moment. And she finally, and mind you, when I say she colored out, she didn't red. She yellowed. Even then, even then, she's yellowing and I'm just like, fuck, I'll take it. I don't got a choice at this point. Because really, a yellow to her is red. She's colorblind. Let's be honest. So tell me, but wait, so now I'm curious what this whole coloring out is for pussies. Please tell me more of this philosophy. It's my philosophy and I'll be the first to say I don't put this out on anybody else because everybody plays at different levels. I get that. There are plenty of people that make me look like the biggest fucking was on the planet and I'm totally okay with that. I know that I'm not. So when I do it, it's, it's, if I'm going to do this, I'm going to do this. If I'm going to dedicate myself to the space and dedicate myself to this activity and do these things, that and I like to push boundaries. I like to know that, okay, we went this far. What do you got? What's next? One of the worst things I ever did, well, best and worst things depending on how you look at it. Devi and I were sitting on the sofa one night and this is, God, a year and a half ago and he said something and I was in a pissy mood as he calls it, froggy. And I looked at it and I forget what he said. I really do and I go, I don't know, fucking pick your favorite. Not the smartest thing to do ever. And I got picked up by the hair, dragged across the house, thrown to the bottom of the stairs and told him to get my ass in the playroom and I did. And I, that was the first time I think I really colored out. Like I'd yellowed on him before and I had, he could tell that I needed space before but yeah, I earned that one. And ever since then I've just been, if I'm gonna do it, if I'm gonna put myself in that position, if I'm gonna earn it, regardless of whether it's good or bad, I'm gonna take it. And so I have a real problem coloring out. Tickling aside, because I can see you both looking at me. Tickling doesn't count. Hard limits are hard limits. It was wildly amazing. Three minutes. Three minutes. Yeah. I'd like the story. Oh God. And if I'd like the story, our listeners would like the story. If anybody else has any stories to share about Gemini, we'd like to hear those too. Somebody should tweet that. I usually have something right here where I can see our number so people can call in. Right on. I can't see it. Sonia, what's our number? What's our phone number? 1-800-893-9562. There you go. There you go. Cool. Yeah. So last year, I was very, very fortunate to have like 18 of my most amazing friends come out and celebrate my birthday with me. And we go to dinner and we're having a good time. And we decide to go to Deviants and we check out the playroom and they're all going to, the ones that came with us were going to line up and give me birthday spankings. And they did. The spankings were fine. It was when they started tickling me that I had a problem. I could handle the spankings just fine. Tickling got involved and I was crying, sobbing and I colored out. I was a mess. That's awesome. No. You were a hot mess. It was horrible. I was a hot mess. I was chained to the spanking bench and I was limp. Like I'm just laying on arms and limbs and everything down, head down, tears, makeup screwed up. I mean the whole thing. My birthday party. But it was hot. Mermaid has spoken. Mermaid has spoken. It was hot. It was hot. It really was and that was the first time that I'd ever seen you in the playroom. Well, really the only time. There were very few that have actually been up there. So, yeah. But yeah. I know it's so secretive. It's harder to get into than the Magic Castle. No, no, no. But I've heard of this playroom like on your blog and just I can visualize it because you're really good at describing things. For anybody who's not on MyFetLife or anything like that because there are photos and you can link to things and whatnot. Imagine the scariest BDSM kink store that you could ever walk through. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. like two corners of the wall and multiply that by five. Yeah, I've heard about the room. I've even met Deviant and I have not seen the room. The room is cool. But we'll talk about that later. Okay. Because it's sad. It makes me sad and I was only in there once. Don't you weep now. What is Deviant like? In what way? You're asking the sub like, what her sir is like. What do you think you're going to get? That he's fantastic. He is fantastic. And he's hard-headed and he knows it. And he's... May I share a personal story? Wait, not yet. No, sorry. I'm just saying. It's about her and Deviant. Yeah. Please do. So I've known Gemini since before she was a submissive. And to the point that I had made comments that I didn't think that she was specifically submissive. Oops. That she was a masochist. But I didn't think that qualified her as a submissive. She then found Deviant, who is now her current sir. And he, by the way, is a switch as well. And their relationship, it shows that the relationship and sometimes how you feel towards another person can completely alter yourself. She completely just was absorbed by this submission. And there was a... To give you an example of what kind of person Deviant is. This is starting to scare me. I know a lot of stories. I know you do. When there was the moment that they had decided to solidify their relationship as a sir and a submissive, he, by his own hands, made a journal, a leather-bound journal with his own hands. He sewed it by hand. He cut the leather. He made it, and I'm not talking small. It's what, 14 inches by 11 inches? It's pretty much square. It's about 14 to 16 by 14 to 16. It's huge. He made it by hand. And that was his gift to her for essentially the collaring for when she became his submissive. Just to give you an example, that tells you almost everything you need to know about him as a person. That's what I wanted to know. Well, and knowing those of us who follow her writing know what an outlet that is. And for her, it was, I would say, it's the perfect thing. Oh. Oh, I'm going. I mean, when it happened, it was... Here's the thing. I had actually met him just before he had given it to her, and he told me all about it beforehand. I was so excited. I was like, oh, my God! I'm totally going to keep this in. Yeah, it was a hell of a session. And it was February 9th last year, and it was a hell of a session. And he's like, you're not going to like this next one. Yeah. You're not going to like this next one? Yeah, he was pretty much beating the fuck out of me. And he said, you're not going to like this next one. And I, yes, sir. You know, what am I going to do? And he had me leaning over the bondage table and my hands were bound. And I'm going to cry thinking about it. This is so stupid. And I got hit with what I thought was the hardest goddamn thing he owned. And he owns some pretty wicked toys. And I didn't know what else. I mean, I was done. Like, my knees were buckled. I was done. I mean, it was hard. It was heavy. I mean, it's a good inch, inch and a half thick. It's really hard card stock. It's double ply on the leather on both sides. And it's heavy as fuck. And I was still hooded and all of these things. And so he puts me over against the wall and he has me sit on my knees and he takes the hoods off and makes me stare down. And he just says, put your arms out. And I said, yes, sir. I put my arms out and he's standing over me and he drops whatever. This is the time I didn't know into my arms. And he goes, OK, can open your eyes. And I don't think there was any any delay at all. I mean, it was just immediate tears. I knew exactly what it was and exactly what it meant. And yeah, it was it was pretty freaking awesome. No, I really want to meet him. I want to shake this guy's hand. He's pretty awesome. Yeah. So yeah. So yeah, I mean, you know, he's he is amazing and it's but it's not it's not bias. I mean, he earned that just as much as I had to earn anything he did, too. And he knows it. I mean, our first meeting, we called it an interview. And it's, you know, you have your moments and they've all been worth it. Absolutely. Sniff. Yeah. I was going to hit the cough button for that one. I think it's too. No, no, we want the emotion. Be be. Well. You know, you're you're switch. He's switch. How does that work? Well, he's my sir, so I get that, you know, so you you can top other people. You can I mean, do you? So I've a lot. I've made jokes that bisexual people are greedy whores, pansexual whores, super greedy whores, and then pansexual switches. Fuck me. They just want everything. So yes, please. For. You know, you as a pansexual switch, does are all of your holes metaphorical holes, Phil? Whoa. I didn't mean it, but it could be. I think we can. I think we have enough hands and cocks here to do that right now. Throw it down. It's a big table. It is a big table. First live DP ever. Wow. It's already stretching out. I laughed so hard I got a cramp in my leg. I think we haven't used it yet. Right. Oh, my God. Is he going to whip it out and do stuff? Wait, wait. Oh, my God. I'm I'm sorry. I thought you were afraid of the penis. No, but I I'm afraid of it going anywhere near me. But if it's going to go anywhere near her, if it's coming out, it's going near you. I'm intimately close to it. Just saying. Yeah, mostly, you know, my my focus is is my relationship with him. Life is a lot busy for a lot of anything else solid. But I have gotten permission, been given permission to top other people. I've bought them to you a few times and, you know, things like that. So, I mean, if if it comes up and, you know, I mean, he and I, like I told you, we talked before I came out this weekend that if anything were to happen, we always do the what if, you know, this is what we're OK with. This is what we you know, we think we want to stay away from. And but other than that, you know, we're going to have to do this. So, you know, we never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never never Podland? What do we call it? Podland. Podland. Which is not Invasion of the Body Snatchers. The heads are going to start exploding. I'm getting out of here. Pod people. We're pod people. A lot of people, I think, strive and desire what Gemini has just highlighted, her relationship with her sir. But if you note, there's a lot of communication, a lot of communication that goes on between them, which is what makes it successful. So, and here's the challenge. I think a lot of times in our modern society, we just don't communicate. We just don't. We talk a lot, but we don't communicate. We don't, you know, we text, we tweet, we Facebook, we email, whatever, but it's not, we're not communicating. We're not really being honest with our needs, being honest with ourselves. And I mean, I think that's where it comes from. And I think that what happened in my opinion as an outsider, as an insider of watching Gemini and her sir, they both ended up becoming really, really honest with their needs. And their needs happened to cross sect at that exact moment. And that's why it works out so well, because they were both really, and I think that you have to be really introspective as a switch even more. Actually, it's not true. You have to be introspective if you're kinky anyway, in order to really be able to look at what you want. You have to be introspective in order to understand limits, your own limits. People will be like, I have no limits. Fuck you, you liar. Of course you do. We all have limits. Tickling happens to be a limit for the fair Gemini. Right, I've got the top five and that's one of them. Right, I mean, but that's the point is that it takes that introspection. And you had to go through some shitty relationships to get to where you are right now. So it's one of those things where nothing happens overnight. It's not, you don't just get given this beautiful gift. It's not your fucking Cinderella. You get your goddamn glass slipper and you find your fucking prince. That's not how it works. Mm-mm. You have to go through a lot of shit, a lot of trials and tribulations to get there. That's my, I'm just, we're gonna call it the soapbox love bite. You know what's funny is that when I first started IMing with Gemini, and I was so excited. I was like, oh my God, she knows everything. I want to know everything that she knows. She does know everything. I wanna be a super sub. I wanna be a super sub. So bad. But I remember she was talking about her sir and just, you know, and here I was honestly thinking, like, oh man, like she's got it all. She has that like golden, golden coated unicorn of all relationships. He would, I hope he's listening and I hope he'll maybe listen to it later. He could download it. Yes. On one of his many Apple products. I do hope you download this because she made a unicorn reference and I can't help but giggle a little bit and think of you. But, you know, and I remember thinking like, man, she's got it, yes. Covet, covet, covet, covet, covet, covet, covet. You're going to hell. Oh, you're going to hell anyway. Go on. I'll go anyway. But, but I, and I, and so I thought like, man, she has everything. Leather hand baskets, right? Yes. Leather. Leather toy bags. Sorry. Leather studded hand baskets. Now I see. Now I see. Do you see what I mean? I see what, I see. She and I. Yes, I see this. This is, this is, yes. Just like you and I, when we, our play is different from our play where I can't stop fucking laughing. And then with her, it's just, so yes, you see. Yes. But, um. Dancing. Woo, I'm going to do the Saturday Night Fever. Go on. Anyway. As you were saying. As I was saying. You were, he, I remember you describing your relationship with him and I was kind of thinking like, man, she has everything. And now hearing you say how there are holes, you're, turns out you guys are normal. You know, there are holes, but it just, it's, I guess from an outsider's perspective, it's like, it works. It's so just, it flows. And what throws a lot of people off about that is that we have this amazing connection and we're not dating. A rainbow connection. That's, that's it. We're not in a romantic relationship. We have an amazing, an amazing friendship. We have an amazing DS relationship. And I'm lucky enough, lucky enough that they go together. And I don't, you know, we have our BS just like anybody else. And by that, I just mean, you know, everybody has their issues. You know, it doesn't matter what kind of relationship you're in. Everybody has their moments and we have ours and we talk about it. But it's not, we're not dating. I mean, he's. This would actually confuse a lot of people because there's a lot of people that truly believe that the link between, you know, sex and DS is, I mean, it's ironclad. It's absolute, if it's DS, it's sex. And that's, that's just not the case. No, I mean. And that was, I was under that impression. Right. Because when I was, when we just started talking and I totally thought that the relationship you were describing was a monogamous relationship. And you guys were like totally like in it to win it. And I was like, man, she has, like, a lot of, like, she has all of that. She has. Where's the wedding? She has like all of that. And like how lucky that she can have this awesome romantic relationship and then have like all of this naughtiness in one. And then to my surprise, oh, guess, no, no. Where did you get that? Well, I mean, there is sexual play, of course. I mean, if you read any of the journals and things like that, I mean, there, there's definitely a high level of sexual play, but it's toys, it's mind fuck. It's, you know, all kinds of other things that has nothing to do with having sex with each other. Cause it's not about that. Sure. It's a fun part of it, but it's not about sex. It's about the dance. Yeah, it can sometimes be about sewing her pussy shut. It can sometimes be about that. It can be about that. It can, it can be like that. It has to be about that. So people that are listening, Oh my God. Mistress just got this, like, you know, she got that, like, like that, that crack looking look in her eyes. Like, yes, like let's do this right now. Let's sew a pussy shut. I don't have any sutures in the car, but I do have needles and I have a stapler. A stapler. I do have a stapler in the car. I'm like, oh my God. I'm like, oh my God. I'm like, oh my God. I'm like, oh my God. I'm like, oh my God. I'm like, oh my God. The look on Aide's face is so gorgeous. It's just like, there was terror. There was confusion. There was an interest. Lip biting. Stapler. We're not stapling you. I mean, we could, can we staple you? I'll hold your hand. I'll hold your hand. No, I'm not gonna staple you. He looks a little scared. He's terrified. I can hold your hand while they staple her shut. It's like a little bunny. That's the time, it's like, oh, 19. You guys are awesome. I'm so actually grateful that, because sometimes we forget, we get caught up in our kinky world. And as we go down the path, we forget what the path looks like before where we were. So I'm gonna talk to somebody that's on the path before us to Aide. You hear this shit. Oh yeah. You hear all of this. What do you think when you hear anything that we've just said? You know, it's funny because, you know, I'm not a big fan of, I identify as vanilla, you know. Sprinkle. Sprinkle. You can call me Sprinkle. He's a sprinkle. You know, in knowing you guys and exploring this really through you a lot. By the way, I am the gateway to kink, just so you know. She is the gateway to kink. I can't tell you how many of my vanilla friends I have brought into kink. I am the pot of kink. I lull you into a false sense and then you want heroin. Just go with it. Right. And pretty much. But that's very accurate. And it's very fascinating to me. Very interesting. And I've met some amazing people. It's been a tremendous experience. And, you know, I've also been accepted for being who I am. And that's something I've always really appreciated. Was that nobody kind of said, well, you're not kinky, get out of here. You know, everybody I've met has accepted me for who I am. And that made me a lot more confident being who I am. And it's been a fun ride. So the senator from Sprinkleton who did not answer my question. What? You really didn't answer the question. Shall now answer a more direct question. May I treat as a hostile witness? I'm kidding. What do you think when you hear things like, so a pussy shot. What do you think when you hear things that seem so fucking outrageous? What do you think? What goes through your head? Shock, for sure. And it depends on what it is too. I mean, you know, it's been a progression. Because in the beginning, when I first met you, you know, some of the stuff was very shocking that isn't anymore. And I've gone along that path and that descents. I mean, we went out wine tasting. Yeah. And we were all sitting around and talking and casually talking about cock sucking and, you know. And it was casual, which is actually kind of awesome. Completely casual. And I thought it was so funny because I had such a good time watching the people around us catching bits and pieces of this. And oh my God. I love that. We were standing outside. I think Nancy said something to the effect of, well, I've never seen a guy come so hard as when he has a butt plug in. And these two guys. True statement, by the way. They happened to be walking by and nearly tripped over themselves. It was the funniest thing I had ever seen. They're just jealous. They want something in their ass. You know, but it's. Don't they? Yeah, I'm kind of that in between. Who are you trying to ask? And that's kind of what you're getting at. But I see how desensitized you are. Yeah. And how desensitized you get to all this. And you maybe lose track of how taboo some of this stuff is to talk about. It's just really funny. Yeah, we're too far removed to be able to even remotely understand that. That's why I asked. You're at least closer. You can at least still see the vanilla horizon. Oh, yeah. I think we're so, we're in another fucking universe now. Well, because, and I think to us, I mean, if we're talking about it, it's like, oh, so what'd you do this weekend? Oh, this is what I did. I went to the movies. Oh, I fucked someone in the ass. Right. I dressed up a boy as a girl and fucked him in the ass. And it was so much fun. You should come next time. He did. Pun intended. Right. But yeah, that's really what I think a lot of times. I find it amusing because I do realize how outlandish this is to some people. And as much as I've come along, yeah, there's still things you say that I'm kind of like, wait, what? You know? And the other sort of interesting thing about the journey through kink is you guys are like, you guys are so about acronyms and terminology and there's so much. And I realize that it's kind of necessary because everybody's into so many different things and you need to be able to communicate that. But to somebody who's kind of vanilla, you know, I find myself still raising my hand. A vanilla question. What does that mean? That's what that life's for. Small story. Small story? About eight inch cock? Yeah, funny. Good one. It was just the tip. Anyway. And that's just the first thing. So, I used to work in post-production and entertainment. And I'm sitting around this meeting and everybody's talking about DP. The DP, the DP, the DP. For those of you out there, DP in my world means double penetration, which means there's a cock in your ass and there's a cock and you have a JJ. Because for some reason, you're like, oh, I'm going to be a DJ. I'm going to be a DJ. I'm going to be a DJ. I'm going to be a DJ. I'm going to be a DJ. I'm going to be a DJ. I'm going to be a DJ. I'm going to be a DJ. I'm going to be a DJ. Anyway, so, I gently raised my hand real, trying not to assume that I look like a fucking pervert talking about DP and going, sorry, what's DP stand for? Well, Director Photography, of course. So, I can't watch a movie now and not look at the DP and go, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, I thought you guys were talking about the British Broadcasting Channel forever. Now that's some big black cock. Yum. I thought, wow, English TV must be really interesting. It is a chocodile. It's chocolate covered and cream filled. No, thank you. Honey, just because you don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It doesn't exist in my world. It doesn't exist. Then you have to shut out a pretty big world because, you know, they're big chocodiles. I love making her cringe. It just makes me laugh. Oh, gosh. Well, she blushes pretty. She does. She turns, like, beet red. Your cheeks are about the color of that lock. What the fuck? It's fantastic. This is some fucked up shit, man. Drink your wine. I like her. Aren't there, um... So now I kind of got everybody, except for your Z-Boy talking. So what are, like, some fantasies or things that you've always wanted to do that you haven't? Haven't done. Is that open or for him? It's for everybody. Oh. I like to ask everybody questions. Hmm. Well, for whatever it's worth, DP is still on my list. DP! And 8 starts nodding. So DP's on your list, too. Well, as a friend of mine said, you have to train for that sort of heavy lifting. Well, yeah. I mean, I've seen it on the porn. I did get to ride a Sibian recently. Really? Really. Really. How'd that go? Oh, it was fantastic. And I did a bucket list item, too. I know it's a different question, but I'm like, I'm trying to think of what else I want to try. DP and TP are on my list, for sure. DP and TP. Wait, what? TP? Huh? Oh, good. I'm not the only one. Thank God. What's TP? There are three holes, right? Trip. Oh. Just check that. Three trips. Going for trips, baby. Wow. Maybe I'm playing poker. I'm going for boat. I don't know. I'm going for trips. She wants to be that whore. Well, she has two hands. Two hands. Right? Hello. And if you get really creative, maybe you can use your feet. When this happens. And I know a few people who would like that. Oh, my God. Yeah, right? So TP with some foot fucking? I can do that. When that happens, I would like to bring my camera. And I think that that has to be your FetLife profile photo forever. I thought we were just, I want to see live porn. Well, yeah, live porn wins all the time. For whatever it's worth, then everybody in this room, and Sonia, you too. You too. You're all in this room. You're all invited. Woo-hoo. Fantastic. Yay. I want to see eight fuck someone. All right. She just called it out. She called it out. She wants to see this. Well, Nina invited us to, you know, swingers parties. Swinger parties. Of which he goes. That's true. Well, you can watch that. Will you have Nina in front of me, please? I will have Nina call in and give permission, and then we'll see how that. Oh, Nina says yes. I already know. Yeah. Let's go. And thank you. Honey, if she's met you, believe me, the answer is yes. She's adorable. She's adorable. And she's wonderful. And thank you for bringing her up, because she made me promise to name drop her. So there you go. Hi, Nina. I'm sorry, but you failed, because I name dropped her. Well. So I get the points for this. Awesome. And you don't. I'm so in trouble right now. Yes. I said you have to be spanked, and you said awesome. The reason why I want to see him fuck someone is because he's so, like, to me, he's so cuddly, and he's so sweet. And I want to see him get, I want to see, you know what? No. I don't want to see you fuck someone. I want to see you hate. Fuck someone. Ooh. Can I sign up for that one? Hate fuck, yes. I want to. I know you don't hate me, but let me get to ten. I want to see that, like, angry fucking. Right. We'll pick a fight. We'll pick a fight. We'll pick a fight. We'll pick a fight. We'll pick a fight. We'll pick a fight. We'll pick a fight. We'll pick a fight. We'll pick a fight. We'll pick a sex. Yes. If you have an eight-inch cock, I want you to make, I want you to make some damage happen. There should be some hate fucking going on. Some damage. Yeah. Because that's, like, totally the antithesis of who you are. I think that's a compliment. It is a compliment. It really is. I'm still working it out in my head. Hate fucking. That's such a beautiful thing. Hate fucking. Really? So, I'm listening to a song at my home, and Ms. Nancy's there, and it's Seether, Fuck Me Like You Hate Me. And Nancy goes, I don't understand. I'm like, what? She goes, I don't understand. How do you fuck somebody like you hate them? And I look at her, I'm like, you're kidding, right? I'm like, hate fucking. I'm like, you hate me. You just, it's so, it's just angry sex. You just want to fucking, you don't know whether you want to kill them, rip their throat out, or just fuck them just as hard. Hate fucking. And it's amazing. Everybody should hate fuck. All the time. I'm just an anti-lovemaker, so the antithesis is hate fucking. So, he's the lovemaker over there. I'm the hate fucker. That's kind of how it works. So, there you go. Yay. And Gemini's in the middle. I'm right in the middle. And Gemini's in the middle. She's a Switzer. I'm a Switzerland fucker. I'm a what? A Switzerland? A Switzerland fucker. No, Switzerland's neutral. That's what I meant. You're kind of like, whatever. I can go either way. I want something a little more proactive than that. Portuguese? What war are we going to talk about now? I've got to pick a different war. They didn't answer the question. Correct. They did not. We got neither one from the mermaid or from the New Year's Eve boy. I get the feeling the New Year's Eve boy is fairly early on in his kinky journey, so it might be an interesting answer. If he's willing to answer, because again, I haven't negotiated with these people. Exactly. Hate fucking, hate beating. Hate beating. Oh, yeah. Hate beating. I got to work on that one. Wow. Mermaid? I look around at everyone and everyone's like, right? DP's on the list. Oh, people. The smile of Nancy Space right now. Yeah, DP's on the list. Okay. Marco topping would be really fun. Mm. Coat topping is fun. Coat topping is fun. As long as all parties are really on the same page. It's really weird when you've got two really different styles for the tops, the toppers. It's just weird. It's like you've decided to mix marinara with hot fudge. It just doesn't work. Oh, God. That's horrible. Do you see? But I gave all a very concrete example so you can understand what I'm saying. So, yeah, but coat topping is fantastic. I encourage that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hate beating. I knew we were going to go back to that. Hate beating. I think New Year's Eve boy just made your day. I know. Well, see, this is interesting because I have a, my own personal hard limit is I do not play when I'm angry. I just don't. And this concept of hate beating, it kind of flies in the face of that. And yet, it's very appealing. But it's kind of like, it's kind of like when we were talking about hate sex. I don't want to do it. 888 was saying, well, you know, we'll just, I said, well, can I sign up for that? He says, yeah, we'll pick a fight. He goes, and then we'll just have makeup sex. Doesn't mean it still can't be. Angry sex. Right. Yes. So, I can see, I can see doing something similar with the hate beating. It's still sort of angry sex on the beating side. It doesn't have to actually be angry. It's just the process. I'm such a big, big believer in intent. Intent really fuels the energy for when I play. And, which is why I don't play when I'm angry because I can go too far. So, it just, but I want, I would love to be able to figure out to temper that anger and use it. This is a challenge I'm going to set myself up with. I'm very excited. Thank you, New Year's Eve boy. Do what I can. That's fantastic. You didn't answer the question. Yeah, I did. You did? I think I did. I didn't hear you. What was the question again? I'm definitely distracted by all of this. Fantasy idea, something you still want to do. You know, I guess I'm just, I don't really have anything specific where I'm like, yes, let's do this. Let's, let's make this happen. Because there's tons of things where I'm like, I want this and I want that. But you already know what all those things are. Yes. Yes, I do. I can relate. Yeah, right? So, there's nothing on the top of your list. I mean, even, even Mermaid came up with DP. She came up with something earlier. And she can't even remember it now. What did she come up with? Because I don't either. Co-bottoming. Oh, that's right. Yes, before the show started. Please share your little, your little magical unicorn moment before the show started. Well, yes. I, I just, because, hi. Oh, hi. Oh, hi. I just, I just looked over and like two people are looking at me. So, before the show started, I was thinking about how much I really like Gemini. She's just everything I imagined her to be. And I like, I'll, I'll, it's just everything. And I remember earlier, early on thinking, I, I want the both of us to get beats, like side by side. And then we're both in some space. And then we both get to cuddle on the floor in like a cuddle puddle. Here's the question. Can I outsource the aftercare to you too if I do that? Just curious. Or do I still, do I have to do double aftercare? No. I can help. No, I'm okay with aftercare. It's just there's a lot, aftercare's a lot and I've got two of you. Yeah, it is. I had a lot of, you know what though? Honestly, the way. Can I sit down? I've been standing for an hour, you know, these heels or whatever. You know, I could, I could see it being done like that because my, my thing with aftercare is, is, you know, I need somebody. I prefer the people, you know, I was, I was just playing with, of course. But in that situation, I think if we had all the people, I would have been able to do it. I would have been able to do it. We all knew we're getting into we all knew what the situation was going to be. I could totally see that. I mean, you know, obviously you can't just like, bam, bye guys, slam the door. I don't think I can handle that. I mean, still need you there in some capacity. I can't do a rate beating a drive by rate beating. Right? But but. I'm not a hate beating now. I've got all these ideas in my head. But I'm crossing everything. I keep so Nancy and I kind of taking the brunt of the aftercare on each other because that was that's kind of the whole point. It's so cute. Yeah. Because I mean, because when I thought about it, I totally thought about two puppies cuddling up, just keeping each other warm. I think you have a little bit of a crush on her. I do. I totally, totally. Very cute. It's adorable, isn't it? Well, it crush and then also just please teach me. Please teach me. Oh, oh, Gandhi. Oh, my God. She's asking. She's Gandhi. And then I'm pretty sure that New Year's Eve boy would say she is so fucking far from Gandhi because Gandhi was anti violent. He's my motherfucking Gandhi. My God. In my world, she's my Gandhi. She's a emaciated Indian man in a diaper. Oh, she is not. No, I've got too many tits for that. She does. She does. Well, whatever you guys. She's not. I think you need a different term. Okay, fine. I'll come up with a different term. Just not right now. She's your Mohammed. No, she's your Jesus. No, why not? Jay Kinks and I together make up Jesus. We figured this out. Oh, no, I'm with you on that. Tell me that story. I don't have time for that story. Quick story. So porn star. Thorns, whippings. Well, yeah, porn star James Dean had posted something not that long ago. That said, what would Jesus do? And Jay and I were going back and forth on Twitter. A little bit with him, but we were going back and forth on Twitter. And I was like, what would Jesus do? And I was like, what would Jesus do? And we were a little bit with him, but mostly with each other. And I don't know how, but it just really devolved into us somehow taking Jesus' beatings. And sorry if you guys find that blasphemous, but. Not our listeners. Yeah. And we were basically sharing, you know, she doesn't like, you know, some of the stuff that I like and she can take a hell of a beating. And so I said, okay, well, you know, I'll take the needles and, you know, the nails and this and that, and you can take this and we'll carry the wood. I mean, it was bad. And it went on for just. It probably went on for a while. It went on for hours. It probably went on for hours. And so he posts something about what would WWJD and it was really a James Dean thing. But she goes, she tweets it back to me and she goes, he wants to know what we would do. What would Jesus do? And ever since then, anytime anything comes up, we talk to each other. We're like, we call each other half Jesus. Oh, wow. I love it. And now I've got all these religious scenes in my head that I want to do. And I've got hate beating. Oh my God. We need to have more guests on that can feed my sick brain because that's just what's happened. I love this. It's just what's happened. I'm so excited. It's so fantastic. Can we please do stuff? Oh my God. Can we please have sex? Right now? You do this every single time in studio. You know there's a show on right after us. We can't have sex right now. But I'm simply vocalizing my desire to. I know that that means it might not happen, but just in case. We're going to a wedding on Saturday. We'll talk. Oh, yes. So anyway, we're running out of time. Like a lot of people are waiting. We're running out of time. Like a lot of running out of time. Like we got a minute and 30 to do our end up. So first off, thank you so much, Gemini, for coming in. Thank you for having me. Thank you, A. We're actually going to have Aide on independently to discuss other things. His sprinkle life, his swinging life, his open marriage life, that kind of shit. So that should be a really interesting topic. Right on. Thank you, Mermaid. Thank you, New Year's Eve boy. Very appreciative. Don't forget to download the episodes from the iTunes, the website, like the Facebook page, follow us on the Twitter, at the underscore love, underscore Bollywood. 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