Amazon Eve on Pride, acting, and Caitlyn Jenner

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They had a great time. I was a little nervous because it was the first time I'd done that particular hour and everybody loved it. They had a great time. You were a little nervous about your Blue Balls? Is it a 60 minute show? Is it your 60 minute? It's my 60 minute show. It's a new 60 minute show. You're the headliner then. I'm the only performer. No mic. It's me for an hour. Blue Balls Knoll at the Hollywood Fringe Festival. If you go to, and so if you go down there. Date? What are the dates? Tomorrow night at 730. Okay. What's the location? It's at the Complex Theaters and that's at 6472 Santa Monica Boulevard. All right. And it's right next to the Dragonfly. And I'm doing a show next Friday, the 26th at 1030. That will close it out. That's part of the Hollywood Fringe Festival. Have you been to the Hollywood Fringe? Festival? I have not, no. You should because it's so many theaters on Santa Monica Boulevard. They're all doing shows. The Dragonfly is Fringe Central. Everybody stops and has a drink. Is it kind of like the Bat's Day thing that I just did? The Bat's Day? We're going to talk about Bat's Day. So let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, so that's all our sponsors. You have a book. I have a show. Get some, get some Fireman songs. I have a feature film coming out. And we're going to talk about that. There's a lot of stuff going on. And if you want to talk to, I almost called you Adam and Eve. If you want to talk to Amazon. Eve, our number is 1-800-893-9562. All of our fans, we'd love to, we'd love to talk to you. You want to talk to Nicole or talk to me. That'd be fine too. Yeah, call in. Amazon Eve, always busy. Everybody knows her from American Horror Story, from Hemlock Row, from being the world's tallest model. Yes. Still bumping my head. Still growing. Still not shrinking. Still tall. I posted a picture of me and you at Signutron's party a couple weeks ago. Yes, we went to Signutron's party. That dress was great. It was fun. It was just my summer maxi dress that I was in. All the last time you were here, you were discussing, I want to be more, more pretty. I want to be more impressive. I want to girl it up. I've been playing this new character. Well, you both have flower shirts on. Mine aren't flowers. They're leopard print. Well, they sort of look like flowers here. Yes. That's good. That just means you're not staring at my tits. I admire that. I'm staring at both your tits. This is my new, you know, go do TV shows, do interview shows kind of love. Right. Amazon Eve. So I posted a picture of me and you. And everybody's like, well, she's so much taller than you. I'm like, yeah, she's 6'8". That's why they call her Amazon Eve. Don't you watch your show? She's so much taller. Don't they watch your show? They watch the show, but sometimes you can't quite get this perspective. We were just kind of like this blob. Right over there. You didn't see us last time. It was a fun party. Signatron's and Randy, they're great. They're absolutely lovely people. I love them very much. Where do you want to start? Because I got so many things. I'll tell you where I want to start. And this is actually really nice. Okay. Okay. What did you tell me not to talk about? I saw... Nikki, what did you want to talk about? No, no, no. Wait a second. I saw... This is half her show, isn't it? Okay, Nicole, you start. What do you want to talk about? You start. Go ahead. I was telling Nicole in the car that I saw a very cute video of you. Oh, no. No, no. A teacher had you speak in front of her class, which I thought was great. Tell us some more details on that. Because I... She... Basically... Did you know which teacher it was? I don't know her name. If you watch the show, there's... Her name was on the screen. Two adults and the rest are all middle schoolers. I understand. I got her name. It just kind of came up and I... She was sitting in the class. You could tell who she is. They had her name on the thing, but I forgot her name. She sits back. You can't tell who she is. She's a good friend of mine. She's part of my extended family. She lives up in Northern California. She is a professor of teachers. She teaches teachers. Okay. And... And what's her name? Her name is Pamela. Pamela. I am not going to give away her last name. I'm going to keep her anonymity. I thought it was a very cool thing that she did. Yeah. Mark spoke very highly of it. And then we had a discussion about how we feel that the misunderstandings come from people... I mean, Mark said people just haven't met anybody. And I find the misunderstandings... Really, it is. It's about meeting us. If you meet us, you're 60% not likely to create or cause deleterious effects. It's about getting the message out there. People make... New decisions based on new information. The biggest mistake people make is not really that people are people. They're just many different types of people. Yeah. And just so people know, to clarify what us is, we're talking about the transgender community. Anybody is different. Well... This really goes for anybody. But transgender people are a bit at risk right now. We're kind of at war. But you seem to be winning the war. And... We are. We are because the attitude went away from infighting to... Keep in mind, when I say we're at war, there is no front lines. Right. There is no enemy. There is no battlefield. There's nobody to aim at. This is a rescue mission. And it's been going on for quite a while. Right. And it's about reaching out. It's about moving and touching and inspiring other people to see who we really are. Right. And then we realize we come from you. We're part of you. Right. People are people. It doesn't really matter. You're just expressing who you actually are. So can I ask, what was the oddest question that... And these are middle school kids? Uh-huh. What was the oddest question that you got? From middle school. Well, I... How do I explain this? Remember, we're talking to middle schoolers, but this is the Dark Mark show. Right. So I can say what the... You can say what the fuck you want. You can say what the fuck you want. Yes, go ahead. All right. I was intimidated. Most intimidating audience I've ever had. You were intimidated by middle schoolers. Middle schoolers are mean. Well, yeah. They're not mean. They're just like... Okay, there's certain words you can't use. And there's this conversation. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. have to make sure they get right like and there was one transgender person in the class really this is the other class whole school that could be there after school okay so three o'clock bill went out people went home a good portion of the kids stayed watched or watched my uh my talk right um the drama club was there okay and the lgbt club was there okay i know there was one transgender person there right i took my 13 year old picture my middle school picture and i put it right there in one of the empty chairs and say i'm going to be talking to myself a little bit because really i'm kind of going back in history and i told him my history right i told him how hard it was back then how much easier it is now talking about the old messaging talk about the new messaging and i was really wanting to reach that one kid even though i'm talking to all of them right right there was that one kid that i want their hero showed up at an air school uh and and i could tell they were shy i could tell this person was very a lot of people are shy around you well you know i wanted to make sure they had somebody to check in with i want to make sure they were safe right make sure if they had any questions at all and they asked me the toughest question they asked me is do i have any any regrets right and and and i said if i you know you don't want to have regrets i wish and this is one of the 800 pound gorillas that we don't talk about in this community much is i wanted to transition young and instead of transitioning later in life um that was the only real regret there are a few other tiny things i could have done that really but let's let's face it everything's a lesson right it's all a lesson and me being there it was the right time for me to be there was the right time for all this thing if you go behind side is 2020 right all of this was training ground for that day that i had to be there to talk to that one kid and you have to understand i left the acting world now it chases me i just got done shooting primary photography of a feature film in boston so what do you mean you left the acting world like america back in 99 back in 99 i i left the acting i went to a film studio and i left the acting world and i went back to uh i didn't leave it i kind of took a break i said i'm not doing this i went to i went to law school right and i worked for all these law firms downtown and um in fact my therapist kind of contacted me and i i was giving her update you know the usual update that i give them um and they don't know who amazon eve is right so i'm not giving basic update but then there's this other person you know who this person that's you do they know who did they know who erica is well they do they know they know this is my therapist okay this is the person i tell my black box to you know the black box doesn't ever come out in public. Right. You know, the secret agent superhero spy, Tinker Tailor Soldier spy, the one that, you know. Right, right, right, right. Remember that outfit I wore last time? How could I forget? Yes. You were on top of me choking me out. I was like, she was whooping her ass in it. Because I'm a pretty big grown man and you intimidate me. Well, because you kick my ass almost every time you're on the show. But we're going to talk today. So... Do we finish up the middle schooler? Because that kind of just went on a tangent there. No, no, no. The middle schoolers were intimidating and they did ask me a lot of questions. So the one question was... Regrets. Regrets. But I was going to say that somebody asking an inappropriate question or a question that maybe offended you. No, the kids were... Once we warmed up, I could actually teach school. I could teach school. Right. After the first day, I could actually do this. Because I know there's been incidents. There's one I know in particular where a comic was doing jokes. I'm quoting. So stay right there. Tranny jokes. Yeah. And you got very offended and confronted him. You know what? The environment, first off, was an open mic. Right. And I was in that stage where I'm still learning how to be a stand-up comic. There's a process. There's a learning curve that goes on. Right. And this person really kind of, you know, poked fun at me. You know, I could tell what we're doing. And, you know, I don't want to go there. I don't want to go there too much. But let's just say their act was their act. And it took me out of my act. And that was where I gave away my power. Right. You know, I am only responsible for what I say, not for what he says. Right. And let him. You know, I'm the one that's on CNN. Right. I'm the one that's getting the hit show. I'm the one that's working. Yes. My job is not to police anybody else. Right. And that's where I was going to transition to. We were talking. You were on CNN. Yeah. Talking about Caitlyn Jenner. Yes. And the last couple of times you were on the show, I was actually going to broach the subject with you. Mm-hmm. We got so talking. There's always, there's a million things to talk about with you. You're so interesting. The subject never was brought up, but. We could talk about the parking guy. Before we go off the kids, I just wanted to point out how cool it is that there could be that one kid in class that people knew was transgender. Mm-hmm. And we're becoming more accepting as a society in general, I feel. Like, I would say 10 years ago, that wouldn't even be allowed. Although, we are. We are. We are. We aren't. It's a weird society in that we have a black president and things are more racist than ever. It's very strange. And, you know, Caitlyn Jenner is out and is a public figure. Amazon Eve is. Laverne Cox. We got other people. There are other. But I'm still saying that 10 years ago, that kid would not have been able to be. Do you think racism is worse than it's ever been or are we more aware of it? I don't know if it's worse than it's ever. It's getting pretty bad. We're having riots and cops shooting people. But we have a black president. You would think that. A lot of, you know, a lot of police are, we got a problem in this country. Right. It's police brutality. And before I get to Caitlyn Jenner. We were going to talk about Caitlyn Jenner. We're going to talk about it. If it's good enough for CNN, it's good enough for me. But what do you think of the NAACP, the woman that was on the NAACP? Those two things have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Sorry, that still makes me mad. Some people would argue it does. It's not. Look, it's always a love and a hate speech. And I think we talked about it. We talked about this before. Hate speech always starts the same by placing a group in an a priori category. Right. And that category could be anything other than white, cisgender, heterosexual. Anything other than that is a category that I'm talking about. You know, you're gay or you're trans or you're a trans woman of color. Right. Or whatever it is. The point is that they're two. There is nothing more racist than to say I am a black woman in a white woman's body. Right. That is to imply that black women are profoundly different than white women in general. And it is a very horrible thing to do. Saying that I am a man in a woman's body or I am a woman in a man's body. There is a huge change there. What's the difference though? What is the difference? What is it? I'm saying... Both sides can argue that you can't change your sex and you can't change your race. Listen to what I just said. So I'm going to repeat it. There is no difference between black women and... Black women and white women. To say that there is a difference, to say that I am a black woman in a white woman's body is to say that black people and white people are different, which is very racist. I care to differ. I will tell you a lot of black women say their lives are harder because of racism. That's different. But I'm saying that to me, all women are women. Regardless of what skin color you are. Some people would say every man's got a little vagina in there and every woman's got a little penis in there. Actually, yours is bigger than most, but... But you've already admitted that. Look. Not yours. If you look at gender as a binary prejudice, why do we start... Why do we... Look. Transgender people are getting us out of this paradigm of the gender binary prejudice. Why can't this event educate us that there's also this black and white, this other prejudice dealing with race? But my point is... People of color, it's like white and then people of color. There is no difference between them, but there is a difference between men and women. And if you want to embrace the fact that you are a man or a woman in the wrong body, that is entirely different than just saying that... The argument is that she's in the wrong body. She's in the wrong body. So what's the difference between being black and white then? Well, there is a difference. Tell me the difference. Single cell. Okay. Well, she's not going to achieve that by switching her color on her skin. That's not the point. It's more predominant in African Americans. Which she isn't. I think it's actually only in African Americans. No, that's my point. That's my point. Okay, okay, you got that. I want to concede that one. Here's the thing. I think, as we've seen on the Dark Mark show... I'm saying people are all the same. You're correct. There are a few things that come from things she would not be able to do by changing the color of her outside. And that's the real big flaw. Racism comes from saying the outside affects the inside. Everyone is flawed. That's a ubiquitous fact about human beings. Sexism is the same thing. No one's listening to what I'm saying. I'm going to stop talking about it. Okay, well... We're listening. I don't want to just know if I'm going to automatically agree with you. No, no. I mean, what I'm saying isn't being heard and I don't have a different way to say it. So let's move on. Well, hold on. What was the... There was the moment of intelligence by Nicole Six. We try to have one on every show. But I don't want to argue about this. I didn't think it was going to be a whole... I didn't think... I probably should have cleared this with you before I even mentioned it. You were not only on CNN. We'll talk about CNN and Caitlyn Jenner in just a moment. You are the Grand Marshal of the Cincinnati Pride Parade. Yes, I am. I'm really excited about that. I'm excited about that, but what is your connection to Cincinnati? Well, do you remember Lila Alcorn? Do you remember Lila? Lila Alcorn? Lila Alcorn, no. Yeah, Lila Alcorn was a 16-year-old girl who... Oh, yes. 17-year-olds who committed suicide. Yes, yes, yes. And it raised awareness to transgender teen suicide. Right. And it's right there. And it's... My past experience is similar. Right. I come from a very religious background, very religious family. Right. And I've had many suicides. I've had many attempts. And my hope is that my presence, my message will move, touch, and inspire people to think there are other options. Right. Other than take your own life. Did you seek them out or they sought you out? Who? They sought me out. Cincinnati Pride Parade. Yeah, they did. And we just have Pride here in Los Angeles. Did you participate in that? Why weren't you the Grand Marshal in Los Angeles? I would think that's a natural. I don't make those determinations. There are so many celebrities. There are so many celebrities that are LGBT that they could have chosen for all the various. I'm glad that I got one. Because I know so many straight people that came down to Pride. I'm rest assured, just about every LGBT celebrity has pretty much got a Pride somewhere. Right. But I... Laura Cox has got a Pride. I think Janet Mock's got a Pride. I think... And you have your Pride. Clayton Jamie. Clayton, I think, has a Pride. Right. I think all of us that are LGBT celebrities have managed to pull off some Pride Grand Marshal. And I can't tell you how many straight people have won a Pride. have won a Pride. have won a Pride. Straight people I know. This is my first Pride, by the way. That went down to Pride. Everybody on my Facebook that went down to Pride was straight. How many people were there? What was the estimated number? It was a lot of people. It had to be a lot. The biggest Pride I've ever seen was in Toronto. That's a million people. Probably not that big, but I'm sure it was huge. West Hollywood is about a quarter million. Yeah, I've been down there for Halloween and that was huge. So I imagine it's about that. But let's lighten this up because this has gotten heavy. This is really heavy. This is a heavy show, Nicole. Now, last time you were here, we glossed over this, but... You told me a more detailed version of the story. How Michael Chiklis, who was on American Horror Story, taught you how to fight on screen. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was... Michael Chiklis really gave me a good education in how to conduct a fight. It was very counterintuitive to real martial arts. Because you kicked him in the balls. I did? That's what you said. No. We were at a sex party. You grabbed me and you kicked me. You mimed like you were kicking me in the balls. And then... No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's a side kick. That's not a... That was not a... So you gave him a side kick. It was a knee and it wasn't a kick. It was a knee and it was not in the crotch area. Really? Maybe I was hoping. But was... So you gave him a side kick. Well, I gave him a knee, all right. And I realized, you know, okay, knee off to the side, not right in, because I've got a very powerful body. I noticed. I noticed. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to knock you out. But... You knocked him out with a side kick? No, I did not. Just... I'm just picturing Michael Chik. It's something you have to practice. It's a skill. It is a skill. It's counterintuitive to real fighting. And you, I mean, you studied... First off, I mean, you're a personal trainer, but you studied real fighting. You studied MMA. Probably most intensely in the last five years, I think I studied it the most. And so... I've been doing taekwondo. Right. I think it was the first thing I started with. So was that like... So this is the beginning of the... The beginning of the scene, you're with Michael Chiklis, and you just... Whap him and... Oh, no, no. No, no. It's all... It's all staged. Right, but you hit him harder than he expected, I'm guessing? No. I didn't actually make contact with him. This story was so much better at six point. No! Oh, well. You know, it was... I'll tell you a funny story. Oh, that's funny. We didn't hurt each other at all. Right. But when I got to meet Michael on set, I gave him a big old hug. And remember, you guys write about it. Yeah, he's right about chest height. Oh, yeah. His head turned red. It was funny. Right, I would imagine. Sweet man. Very generous. Yes. Lots of coaching. And just... These are some of the most talented people. Absolutely. It just... It blows my mind. And... I was reading... Do you need a pillow, Nicole? I see that you're a little uncomfortable. There's no pillows anyway. She's got... She's got a little bit of back injury. Yeah. But I... But Jessica Lange, I was reading an interview with her. They had an interview because they're pushing her for the Emmy. And she was saying... She mentioned you specifically and how wonderful it was to meet you. She did. She did. She did. I wish I... I'm going to gush a little bit. I shared some really cool moments with her. Oh, please. Please share them with us. The way that I warm up can look a little crazy to people. How do you warm up? I'm not going to do that. Can you describe it? I watched... I watched the way Jessica Lange warms up when she's getting up. I watched the way she's getting up. I watched the way she's getting up. I watched the way she's getting up. I watched the way she's getting ready, especially when we have a long day. We're on there. We got to get... Keep our energy up. And I watch her. And it's almost exactly what I do. And I told her about it. And all my life, I felt kind of weird for doing that. And... Is that... I mean, do you... It's just... Is it like scream therapy? Is it... No. No. I told you no. What stays on set like that is stays on set. Because we've got actors watching the show. They want to be like Jessica Lange and Erica Irvin. They want... They don't want to be like Jessica Lange. They don't want to be like Jessica Lange and be like Erica Irvin. They need to be like themselves. Okay. If you want an acting line, you got to be... Yeah, I'm going to be myself. Yeah. And I was going to say, I would think that you would be... With the rave reviews, you would be probably some Emmy talk. But the weird thing is, because it's a miniseries... It's pushed as a miniseries, not a drama series. It's a short... It's a limited miniseries. Right. It's not a series that goes into the next year. Right. Because... Because... What's Her Name from Orange is the New Black was nominated last year. Yes. But that is... That's nominated as a series. So she got to be the guest actor on the series because she's... She had sort of a minor role, not a regular role, but a minor role. She's got a meaty part just about every episode. She's doing quite well. And she's in a new TV series called Doubt. Okay. Yeah. So tell us about... Because you were telling me you were getting typecast as an assassin. This movie you shot in Boston. Oh, yes. I think there's a reverse correlation, especially when you audition. There's a reverse correlation between how much you care and how well you do. Oh, absolutely. I agree with that. I went in and I saw this. It was... It was easy. The other auditions, I did a lot of reading, did a lot of meeting, a lot of meeting, greeting, and this was what I booked and I just finished primary photography on it. And... So you play an assassin. I play a corporate assassin. I play a... So your legal experience came in handy. No. I would say my size and I got to play a villain. I would see... I could see you in more villainous roles. I could see you being... That was fun. ...hot, sexy. I could see you as a Bond villain. Definitely. Well, you know, we could always tell the... I could see... ...over that produce that. Hey, guys, you know... Yes, please. I'm still hoping for Marvel. Hey, guys, wake up. I'm right here. You could be She-Hulk. She-Hulk without the green. But I could see you as like the... Like the head of the... Like the head of the... ...henchman of the villain and she comes in and James Bond... That's what I am. That's what I'm in this show. Kathleen Quinlan, by the way, was my co-star. She played the main... She's great. She's great. Awesome. I could see like James Bond trying to pick you up and then like kind of... And you sort of flirt with him and he flirts with you. I mean, I pick up James Bond. Physically. Whatever, yeah. I mean, just... Yeah, well, that's what I'm saying. He starts putting moves on you and you just grab him and start just throwing him around. I could see that. Dark Mark's getting dark, isn't he? Mm-hmm. Okay. I'm working on my own James... I'm working on my own James Bond movie in my head. What I... So you need to be the villain. Right. You need to be... No, you need to be the villain. I was just... I just played a villain in Lana Steele, Makeup Spy. Nice. I played the scary doorman. Lana Steele. Why do I have to... It's an online... She's a big... It's an online thing. Got it. But speaking... Well, now that we're going to transition into... I was going to ask you and I'm not going to be specific about body parts, but your sex life and your romantic life. A lot of people want to know. I'm going to... I'm going to say that I'm... Are you seeing somebody? I'm not going to say it all. I'm going to... That's a yes. That's a yes. Why does it... I'm not going to say me a yes. Why does that all of a sudden become a yes? Because last time I asked you, you were like, no, I'm not dating anybody now. Now it's like I can't... Well, I can't... Who... I'm dating someone. I don't want to... I want to keep my private life private. That's all you need to say. How's the sex life? Good? I thought we were going to go there. No, no, no. I'm not going to go and do your body parts, but I mean, you're a very sensual woman. Yes, everything works down there. Yes. I just... You defended me last time. She's her back hurt. She's not... She's still pissed off about the whole racial argument. I can see it in her eyes. What? Are you mad about that? I'm in pain. She's in pain too. I was telling her that you give probably the best massages I've heard from other people, but... It doesn't sound like an issue a massage can fix. Sounds like a... A few more days, I'll be fine. Okay. Anyway, so... So I... But... I'm glad that you're smiling. Thank God marijuana is legal in California. No, no, but I see you... I see you smiling when I mention that, so that's good. And I'm not... I don't need to ask what gender. I don't need to ask the height, but I see that you're happy. The odds are, and this is, you know, in my world, when you're six foot eight, you know, only one in 50,000 men are taller than me. Right. But you don't just say... So I'm going to either have to expand my dating pool options. Right. So I am dating someone who's shorter than me. Okay. Again. Right. But I did get back from France. I did meet the pool of all the tallest men in the world. Oh, what were you doing in France? I was... Meet all the tallest people in the world? I met the tallest man in the world. His name is Sultan. He is two and a half meters tall. That's a big guy. Very big man. I'm trying to work that out. Think of half of myself. Cut me in half. Take half of that half, add it to my height, and that's all. So it's seven foot what? I know it's 2.5 years tall. I know we have a worldwide audience and everybody's like, what are you asking this for? But so he's over seven foot. Yeah, he's over seven foot. Wow. He's over seven foot. Really? And so... A lot of guys were over seven foot that day. Right. Oh, really? Were you auditioning for something or were you just... No, no. It was just... It was just a tall thing? It was on a... It was on a... It was on a... It was on a... It was on a... It was on a... It was on a... It was on a... It was on a... It was at a park. Right. Like an amusement park north of Paris about an hour and a half out of Paris. And it was an amusement park and they had tall manufacturers. They're tall clothing people for both men and women. Okay. Invited. It was fun. It was a lot of fun. Oh, okay. So I'm just... It's a family park. It's a family park. I didn't know if this was like all these tall people congregate. I mean... No. Besides on, you know, on a basketball court. No, this is a never before event. This is a one in a time... This is a one time... It happened just that. And you're the world's tallest model so you were the tallest woman there. No. I actually... Well, there's a gal who could be my doppelganger. She's from Holland. She's literally my size. She can wear my shoes, my everything. She can wear everything I wear. Wow. Yeah. She's got my same shoe size. She's my height. They build Vikings tall. They do. So you were on CNN. They contacted you to talk about Caitlyn Jenner. They did. And what do you think about that? Because before... I'm really excited about it because as I told you before, it's moving the conversation forward. Right. You know, when I said that... She... She would receive less criticism on the interstate. I probably is a bit short-sighted. I think there's been a lot of criticism, especially within the community itself, the trans community. Really? The feminist community. Really? Because I'm not in the community so I'm not aware of it. Well, there's the notion, you know, why come out and be a pinup right off the bat? You know, is that the best thing that moves the conversation forward for women? But in a weird way, you did the same thing. No, I didn't. In a magazine that I came out, I was wearing a business suit. No, no. But, no, but, I mean, you were a model. Before that, I was already out in a magazine as the executive director of the Los Angeles Association of Health and Writers. I had a business suit on back in 2007, long before Amazon Eve was created. Right, but then you became a big bikini pinup. That's a little different. That's more of a fitness thing. Right. That was all about... That was all about working out for five years and getting my body in shape and doing bikini contests. And I was a body model. That actually turned into a Guinness Book Award and it really started my career. Right. Do we have somebody? Yes, I do. And it's him. I'll bet it is. It is him. Stop talking about me on the show. Yeah, I got it. There he is. Tell that asshole to shut up about me. I got it. I got it, right? Actually, it's sweet. Oh, good. You can tell them, you know. What did he say? She didn't read it. Oh, yes. I'm sorry. I read really fast. I'm sorry. We're doing a show. Excuse me, Mr. Shorty. But, yeah. Compared to you. Hold on. I got to let him know. I'm on the dark. No, I'm going to let him know I'm on the show right now. Yes, please call in. 1-800-893-9562. You're right. What's that call number again? 1-800-893-9562. Personally, the only thing that bothered me a little about the Caitlyn Jenner pin-up thing wasn't so much that you can come out however you want to. I'm sure that I'm sure she thought that this was her best way to present her new self to the world. How could Caitlyn Jenner come out? What bothered me about it was the fact that it was all... On a Wheaties box? No, no. Let her finish. Let her finish. She wanted to present herself to the world with her new body. And she wanted to be proud and be seen as the thing of beauty. That was what I got from it. But what bothered me about that is it was all still Photoshopped away all the flaws the same way it would be done if anybody was on there. And that really bothered me because there aren't any flaws with it in my opinion. But whatever. I don't... You know, I scouted very heavily for Caitlyn Jenner. I scouted very heavily for Caitlyn Jenner. For research purposes, there are a couple flaws. But go ahead. Well... But that's my thing. Someone like Caitlyn Jenner couldn't transition without the paparazzi. There's two choices. You either transition quietly and have the paparazzi take you... Or you're very proud of yourself. Or you become proud. It gives the press nowhere to go. And the paparazzi... It gives the paparazzi no paparazzi. Which I felt was the point of it. Again, the only thing that bothered me is how heavily Photoshopped it's taken. It still was. But the paparazzi was following him around for forever. They did document the transition before it happened. I mean, when he was growing his hair out, his body was changing. She. She. Excuse me. I'm sorry. She. I met him when he was... Guys, look. I did it too. I know. But the paparazzi did follow him around. The paparazzi did get all that information. I met him before he transitioned. And he actually looked at me. I met her before she transitioned. Excuse me. Okay. Sidebar. A little sidebar. Right. You have... Permission to make mistakes. Again, this is brand new. And I... You can... Look, I'm not... On the interview. Right. I went back to... Because the problem is when you go back to the Wheaties box, the icon on the Wheaties box, the gold medalist on the Wheaties box, the icon... The guy who did a village people movie. We're talking about big sports star. We're talking about presidential council on fitness. We were promoted. We're talking Superman was pushed by all these sports endorsements. He almost was Superman. Pretty much. Pretty much. Pretty much. Pretty much. This is a modern Superman. I said it. I'm going to say it again. The Superman... The man's gone. The super is still there. And that's the... That's a great thing to say. Yeah. I mean, there was no way to hide it, but you shouldn't have to. And by the way, he almost was Superman. He did audition for it. Audition for Superman? Yeah. The movie. Yeah, the first one. Oh, wow. The Christopher Reeve one. It was between him and Christopher Reeve. And also, I met her before the transition. Look it up. I'm serious. They had a lot of people auditioning for it. Neil Diamond, Neil Diamond auditioned. It was really weird. Muhammad Ali auditioned. But I met her before she transitioned. And she actually went up to me and I asked her, I asked her, who was it, him then, if I could take a picture with him as he was at the time. And he asked me, he said, I will if you answer one question for me. I said, sure. He's like, does your mother know you dress like that? I'm not kidding. How were you dressed in dark market? I was dressed in something like this. Like this, yes. I was dark market. All right. So, but I, I mean, good for him. All the world's at stake. Good for her. Good for her. Good for her. I called Alexis Arquette him on the show as well and that's wrong too. She's a she. You're a she. You, you, you, you, if you ever meet her, Right. ask that same question. Do you know your mom? Do you know your mom? What was the question? Does your mother know you dress like that? Right. Ask, ask Caitlin, do you know your mother dresses like that? Right. Ask, ask, ask her that next time. I don't think our paths were crossed, but you were, when we were at the party, we were, you were, now the woman that's orange is the new black. What was her name again? Laverne Cox. Laverne Cox, who's actually on the cover of a few magazines this, this month. I think she's on the cover. People, Rolling Stones, she's on the cover of something. Entertainment Weekly. She's on the cover of Entertainment Weekly. You didn't have great things to say about her. I what? When we were at the party, you said that you and her had a little incident once. Who? Laverne Cox. I've never met Laverne. Who? Who was, who did you? Oh, Janet Mock. Janet Mock went to visit. Janet Mock, okay. Yeah, she went to visit UCLA and she was giving a lecture. Who's that? Janet Mock. Who's Janet Mock? You don't know who Janet Mock is? I'm blanking right now. Who is that? Janet Mock, that's a long story. It's hard to describe. She's another advocate, hero, talk show host. Okay. Was the editor of people.com and she just finished a book. Oh, okay, okay, okay. Okay, okay, I got it. And she went and lectured at UCLA. Right, right, right. And got an autographed copy of a book. I don't know why she was talking. She was, you know, having a conversation with people and I thought it was funny when she said, okay, know that you're small. Everybody know you're small. I couldn't help but stand up. You know what, everybody, I'll be brief. God knows I can't be short. You can't be small. I can't be small. And, you know, I called her out in a light way and I think it miffed her a little bit. Oh, yeah? Well, because, you know, she wants to be up there and she wants to be, you know, smooth and cool and doing the whole little, you know, tour. And she's a book tour. She was doing a book tour. She's doing a great job talking. She's exhausting to look at. She's beautiful. I mean, she's got this whole little, you know, Oprah love child with Beyonce going on. Right. She got the ring. She's going to get married. She's going, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. I love how you do the voices. I literally see Beyonce and Oprah in one person. Right. That's what I see from her. Right. Big, full hair. Right. You know, she, she's got her, she's a trans woman of color. She's very powerful. Very bright. Right. Very perspicacious. Right. I just thought it was funny. She says, know that you're small. That was the only thing. Why do you think she said that? Because she was talking to people about personal safety. She was talking to trans people specifically. You know, check in with each other. And I think it's a great idea. Right. These are all good ideas. Okay. Just the, know that you're small. Right. Again, she's brand new. And I, I'm not saying brand new. I think brand new in the public eye. Okay. It's going to change you. That's why I don't put, you know, you see all these articles about me. Right. You know, this advocate. I have an article out there. Don't call me a damn advocate. Right. I don't want to be. You said that a lot. I've done that before. Right. It's, it's a thankless job. You don't get paid for it. Right. They'll turn on you. Right. And so I kept my advocacy very quiet. Right. I worked on the health insurance side. Right. I worked on the advocacy. I left out like that. And, and, and what's, what are the complications? What do you mean complications? The health insurance. The only complication was, is it took too long to happen. Okay. But it did happen. It did happen. They finally removed the exclusion. Okay. They removed the exclusion. Okay. And it's an exclusion in a health insurance contract. This is nationwide. This was first in the state of California, 2012. Okay. And nationwide when the, like 2004, the tail end of 2004, President Obama included us, included us in the ACA, the Affordable Care Act. 2014. 2014, yeah. Right. Okay. Because it's, it's sort of the EEOC. It's sort of like a big slam bong. Right. Boom, kaboom, kaboom, kaboom. It's all happened at once. Right. Shannon Minter. Right. Just got put in the president's cabinet. It's one of our attorneys. Okay. Trans man. Right. A lot of good things. Great. Nothing but, nothing but good. Okay. Nothing but good. I won't bitch about Obama coming here and having the traffic back up. Something tells, something tells me Caitlyn Jenner's show is going to surprise people. All those people who are pointing little bony fingers of criticism are going to be eating crow afterwards. Well, I think it's going to be a huge hit. There's no question about that. I don't think there's any question about it. It's going to be a huge hit and there's going to be a popular, some of the population doesn't like it. I think it's just ridiculous to sit around pointing any form of criticism. I hated anybody anyway. Exactly. Don't do something interesting with yourself. Exactly. Well, speaking of interesting, obviously, Amazon, everything you do is interesting. But I did have a question I haven't asked you. This is great. You know, we got the one-on-one and it's actually, it's a little more serious than our usual dark mark show hijinks. But it's fine. We're getting to the meat of the problem. We're getting to, I want you to do silly voices at the end, but let me ask you a question. This is a question, first time you were on and you were on with our friend, Tessa LaCoyle, who obviously is very unique and I just wanted to let you know. I just want to let you know because she loves electricity. Yeah, she's been, she's been tased. Last time she was on was a couple months ago. She got tased by that Chris Gore from G4 TV. Josie Catter, former co-host, tased her. You tased her. I didn't want, I didn't want to let you know because we were riding on the, on the ride home. I said, well, of the three, a question without a moment, she said, it was on Eve. And so, but when did you, but when we, when we first talked and we weren't even, we didn't even acknowledge that you were trans at the time. There's no, there's no reason because you're very interesting. So, I mean, that has, that had nothing to do, I mean, you know, we talked for hours without even mentioning it. But you had said that when you were, when you were young, you were skinny, you didn't feel, you didn't feel attractive, which I hear from every single beautiful woman including Nicole Six, every single beautiful person that I've ever. That's not what I said. I was 220 pounds with buck teeth. Right, no, no, but you didn't feel attractive. Well, I was totally fine with that because sadly speaking, most people were not attracted to a 220 pound chick with buck teeth and braces. Well, you can say whatever you want, but that's just the reality. Well, then I'll ask you the question first and I'm going to ask Eve. When was the first time you realized you were beautiful? Well, I always thought I was attractive because I'm sapiosexual and I liked my eyes. I liked my eyes. Okay. And I had huge boobs and I liked them. Okay. I noticed when people started treating me different when I became society's version of a beautiful, I was, I had, I was, that was when I made it down to about a size 15. People started actively hitting on me. No one ever really was interested before that. I was, but. You didn't even know me. I know. And I would have been, that would have been illegal. In some states. And Eve, when did you first realize you were beautiful? You were beautiful. You were beautiful. You were a beautiful woman. Zoo Weekly. That was. When they put you on the cover of a popular bikini magazine. You can't call yourself ugly anymore. It's, it's pretty tricky to do that. And for me, it was Hollywood parties. That was when I realized I transitioned to be one of the hot girls. Right. And so that's when you realized you were one of the hot girls. Did you transition to be a hot girl? I guess I did. Yeah. And did you transition to be a hot girl too? Yeah. You know, I had no expectations of this. I just worked out a lot and you put enough hair and makeup on you, you look pretty. No, but I've never, I've never seen you with a lot of hair and makeup. I see you usually very little as any. Most of the stuff online is all glamour stuff. I know. Trust me, I've talked to plenty of it. But when I see you, when you come in the studio, you do. Why don't you, when you see me, you see me. But you're not wearing makeup and you're so beautiful. What are you talking about? Look at those features. What are you talking about? Those cheekbones. What's the matter with you? Thank you. Yeah, just, I mean, this guy realizes it. But she's right. She's a model in society. When did you know you were handsome? I never, I still don't know. You don't believe you're handsome. I'm not, well, I'm not. I'm not. You're not. I'm not. Why aren't you not? I'm overweight. And see, here's the difference, Mark. When did you believe you were beautiful? When I was chubby, I still thought I was gorgeous. Yeah, I don't. That's the thing. But that's, that's, that's the end of here for today. We got two minutes and 47 seconds. We don't want to talk about my neuroses. But, I didn't know about the trans thing until much later. Right. And, and, and, and you said some of your fans have not taken that, but I would say most of them probably still on board, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah. No, keep in mind, you know, there's this woman in the business suit. Nobody wanted to listen to her. I put a little article out there. You know, you dress as a business suit here and I thought it was very attractive. I have, I have the little business suit on. And then there's the bikini model with the stripper heels. Right. You know, and everybody said, hey, look at that. That article I wrote, that woman used to be trans. Look at that. That article got so much press because of it. Right. And I was actually, I was on your IMDb page. Yeah. And some, and somebody, somebody put, I think, I'm trying to remember exactly what you said. Okay. Like, damn, that's a big bitch. And they're like, wait, wait, wait. And they're like, and then one of the comments was, you know, she's, you know, she used to be a man. And the guy said, who cares? He's hot. Ah, they used to be a man. I don't think I ever was a man. Okay. Might've looked like one, but I don't think I ever was. That was, by the way, the point I was trying to make. What they were referring to was you used to have male genitalia, I believe. Not correctly worded. Go ahead, take the call because she's ready to pounce off the table. Pounce on the table. Yeah. No, no. I mean, it's irrelevant. The point I was trying to make is nobody feels, race is a skin color. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm in pain. I can't lean that far. Hey, race is the thing about, that's shallow, it's surface, it's skin color. It's mostly prejudice that we just put on each other. Whether or not you feel like a man or a woman on the inside is totally different. Right. And she always felt like a woman. And she always was a woman. Exactly. And now the world knows it. So, are you, was there, has there been any talk of bringing her back for American Horror Story the next season? I don't know yet. I probably won't know until the end of this month. Have you been in contact with the producer? Are there, are you still chatting? Are you still? That's still being, there's, there's talks about the projects I'm going on. I've got about eight projects I'm not even done with yet this year. Right. That are, that are, that are all over the place. How was Japan? Oh, Japan was fun. I've got to, I got to work with Jodi. I know we got less than 30 seconds, but I got to see Jodi again. She's one of my best little friends in the whole world. Yeah, she's really tiny. I love when you do the voices. Anyway, I love when you do the voices. Anyway, Amazon Eve, how do people get a hold of you? Amazon Eve, my Twitter handle is at Amazon Eve. Right. That's how to get a hold of me. That's, that's probably the best way. Yeah. And, and. There's a little contact button on my, my website at AmazonEve.com. And is there, is there anything specific you want to promote before you get off the line, the show? Yes. I am going to be in a feature film called Chimera. You can look it up. It'll be promoted probably about eight months. You still got to do post-production and editing and all that good stuff. the hit woman? That's the hit woman, yeah. I'm really excited about that. Right. That's, that's, I did a lot of work on that. I can see an Amazon Eve video game. I can see a whole series with you. It'll keep me in Comic-Cons for a while. How was Bat's day? Bat's day was fun. Bat's day is the goth. Goth, it's a goth day. It's a big goth day. Goth goes, goths go to Disneyland. You went to the black market and signed autographs and pictures? I did. And they loved you. It was fun. Yes. I got a cool outfit on too. Really? A dark black goth? I wore black boots, you know, big, big corset, white hair, high collar, I had the trench coat. Everything I wore last time except for the turtleneck. The outfit is now perfected. The hero outfit is now complete. Right. Yes. See, forget She-Hulk. You need to have your own character. I don't need the green. I think I'm going to be She-Hulk without the green. I'm going to have something else that's this sinister. Exactly. Yes. I love the way the cape flows behind me. Oh, I'm sure you do. And go to Nicole6.com. Yes. Yes. Buy some fucked up shit. Yes. Buy some fucked up shit. Yeah. And go to gothcomedian.com and come see my one man show either tomorrow, tomorrow, Friday. Obviously, if you're listening on iTunes a few months down the road, it's not there, but it's Friday, July 19th, 730, Friday, July 26th at 1030. And everybody, have a wonderfully creepy week. Amazon Eve, we love you. Nicole, we love you. I love you too. We wish your back was better. It will be. A wonderfully creepy week. We'll see you next week.