Boxing recap with Hector, plus Moya Brand caller

And now, ladies and gentlemen, for the handful in attendance and the millions listening on the web on skidroad.la, this is Madtime Radio. All right. Madtime Radio back on the air. Yes, sir. I'm Rich. I'm Crail. And we got that golden voice you just heard. On our intro, we got Hector, our resident boxing guy here. How's it going, everybody? It's going good, Hector. I love that voice, too. I was like, who is that guy? Oh, that's me. Yeah. Now we finally got you back in the studio. Oh, it's great to be back, bro. Thank you for having me. And today, we are going to talk boxing. You guys wanted to hear it, but we're going to talk about it. Yep. Last night, Staples Center here in downtown LA, Chad Dawson scores a second-round TKO over Bernard, the executor. Not without any controversy, though. Not without any controversy. Everyone who saw the fight on pay-per-view saw what appeared to be... Man, how can I put this? I mean, some people are calling it a foul. I saw it quite differently. I mean, even I think HBO gave it a different twist, too, when I saw it on the video. In round two of this fight, in a clinch, Chad Dawson appeared to... throw Bernard Hopkins off his back, and Bernard Hopkins fell, injuring his left shoulder, apparently separated... It's a separated AC tendon. I guess it's the tendon that connects his shoulder to his collarbone. And it prompted, you know, the second-round stoppage of the fight. Now, why it was called a TKO, we still don't know. According to George Dodd from the California State Athletic Commission, it was an accidental foul. And for some reason, accidental fouls, I mean, at least from my understanding, through the rules of the Association of Boxing Commissions, it's always been, if an accidental foul occurs before the fourth round, it's no contest. Well, they called it something else. They called it a no decision. Well, no, it's gone in the books as a TKO. No, no, no, no. I'm just saying that those guys were talking... Actually, because I didn't see the fights, but I did see the link you posted on our Facebook page, so you can go to... I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. You can check out the Radio Facebook page and check it out. But the guy who was talking about it, it had been ruled a no decision. But I've never heard of a no decision. Yeah, yeah. Atlantis, what is that, actually? What is that called? Well, no decision or no contest, same thing. Same thing. Basically, it's like the fight never took place. Right. Okay, so it doesn't count in scoring or anything like that? No, they just, I mean... Except that's in your stats, because it's the third number over. Yeah, it's a no... Yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, it's not a win. It's not a draw. It's just a fight that happened and didn't really happen. Didn't really happen to me. You all right over there, dude, or what? Yeah, you know what? It's the... It's the beverage, huh? Yeah, it's the beverage. It's the gas from the beverage, but... I won't go into said beverage, but thank you, Chris. You're welcome. Oh. Yeah. Anyway, anyway, yeah, but... And really, it was... Ah, dude, it... It was another bad blow. You know, it's bad enough we just had the... What happened at the Victor Ortiz Mayweather fight, now this. And really, it was... Other than that, it had been a solid night of boxing, especially with the co-feature on this night. It was a vacant WBC 135-pound championship fight between Jorge Linares and Antonio DeMarco of Tijuana. Turned out to be one of these fight-of-the-year candidates. Jorge Linares from Venezuela, who had been touted as the next big thing, training at a wild-card gym with Freddie Roach. First five rounds of this fight, he's dominating it. Midway through the fight, DeMarco starts busting him up, got a real bad gash over his nose. And little by little, DeMarco started turning it on in the 11th round, which I'll be posting up on the Madtime Radio Facebook page. It's a round of the year, man. It's a good round, huh? It's a round of the year. It's a bloodbath, too. And how did they... How did the Hopkins fight, how did they begin? Was it a good fight up until that point, or was it a lopsided fight? I think it was the second round. It was the second round. Really? Let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, yeah, I'm sorry. You know what, I did veer off a bit, but let me backtrack here. One thing that stood out about the Hopkins fight was that Hopkins has never been an exciting fighter to begin with. I mean, if you're looking for an exciting fight, Hopkins is not your fighter to watch. Hopkins is a very methodical fighter. And sure enough, this was looking like a typical Hopkins fight early. Lots of clinching. I mean, first round, all it was was a flurry by Dawson. You could have given Dawson the first round. But what did stand out about it was every time Hopkins attempted a clinch, it was Dawson who was fighting out of it. He wasn't allowing, you know, Hopkins to get himself in position so the referee could reset him. He was fighting out of it, shoving him off. But can you really get that from one round? Because I was like, there's even in MMA, I mean, just to put them together, there's always a fill out, a couple of fill out rounds. And in a 12-round boxing fight, I mean... Yeah, I thought there was going to be more than that. Yeah, you're going to need a couple of rounds to at least figure out what your distance is. You know? I mean, you just said Hopkins is, if he's a methodical fighter, he's not finishing people, is he? He's not. He hasn't knocked a guy out since 2002 when he stopped Murad Hakkar in seven rounds. So he's usually going to decision. Yeah, yeah. I mean, as he's gotten older, he's changed his fighting style. He's like, what, 40? He's 46 years old. I mean, he's in pretty good shape at 46. I mean, yeah, the guy's incredibly vain, too. He'll brag about his 27-inch waist to you. No, I'm serious, brother. He will, he will. I like, just, it was just funny. I've been watching that video clip because the guy's all like, you know, Bernard Hawkins says he's a gangster. Oh, yeah, yeah. Chad Dawson, Chad Dawson was upset, too. He was, he was visibly upset because of, because Hopkins went out like that. Well, you know, it's kind of like you win, but you don't get to celebrate your victory type deal, right? No, because it is a tainted win. Now, I told you I had a, now I had a press credential. Only thing was they had me sitting in the eighth row and a buddy of mine, Gabe Montoya from maxboxing.com, he was down on the floor and he was the one who told me, you know what, Hector, hey, I saw both shoulders. I didn't see no, there doesn't appear anything to be wrong with that shoulder. So you think he might have just wanted out of that fight? Look, from my vantage point being there, it looked to me like he wanted an out of that fight. He figured, I get an out from this. It's called a no contest. I don't know, rematch. We go back to the drawing board. Well, I know Hopkins is the name in this fight, but who is the favorite going in? The favorite in this fight, slight favorite was Chad Dawson. The thing about Hopkins is odds are always against him because of his age. But the guy, I mean, he's defied logic at least, I mean, since 2001. How much is he making that fight? He only made a million for this fight. Only? Yeah, I know. He made one million for this fight and Chad Dawson pulled in 800,000 for this fight. When was his last fight though? Bernard Hopkins' last fight? Either one. I'm just curious on their paydays, right? Because he's got like, a million, you know, almost $2 million total between the two guys. Okay, last Hopkins fight was, he fought John Pascal when he won, he regained the world light, the lineal light heavyweight championship of the world. And when was that though? That was... Like a year ago? Less than a year ago. I'd say within the last 10 months of... That's, you know, I don't... And he did pull in more money with that fight, being in Montreal, in Pascal's hometown. Because I'll say one thing, man. Canadians show up to fights. Well, yeah. I see that with the UFC now where they're talking about the Canada as a... Oh, yeah. Yeah. There's fight fans in Canada. They're used to it from hockey. Yeah. Exactly. Right? They're not really into sports the way they are here in the US where, you know, we're following American football and basketball and baseball and stuff. They seem to be on, you know, on a different wave. That's only for hosers, eh? A little soccer on that ice field. That's real good. And just, you know, kind of gathering what you guys were talking about too, about Hopkins. It almost seems like, to equate it to someone... God, you haven't heard this name in a long time, but, you know, someone that defended their title almost the same way as Tim Sylvia. You know? Who? No, just kidding. Exactly. The maniac. The maniac. Exactly. Someone that just really fought very safe and he just, you know, he'd always squeak by and stuff and wasn't very exciting. And I just thought, I mean, like that clip, if you go to our page and check it out, I mean, where'd you get the clip from? Facebook boxing community. There's a website. We... It's called... Facebook boxing community. A lot of media guys are on it. They always post videos that we find. I mean, it was pretty good. I mean, it was great. Whoever... You probably know, but whoever the guy was interviewing people in the ring was really good. Max Kellerman... Well, Max Kellerman was doing the post-fight interviews in there with both Hopkins and with... Yeah. He did a real good job getting both those guys' perspective and the commissioners, too, that you seem to love. Well, I mean... Yeah, well, the thing about... The thing... I told you about my beef with the California State Athletic Commission. Yeah. With George Dawkins. Oh, my God. Here's a guy who basically left it up for discussion as to what was gonna happen, whether this, you know, decision's gonna change or not. And I think in these upcoming weeks, what should happen is that this fight should be called a no contest because of the way this ended. Yeah. You know? So, you think they'll automatically get a rematch? You think they'll do that? Well, that's the odd part, man, because, see, Chad Dawson's promoted by Gary Shaw. And the reason this fight took place, was because it was a stipulation when... When... John Pascal and Bernard Hopkins had their last fight. Uh-huh. The stipulation was the winner had to fight Chad Dawson. Now, I don't know if there is a rematch stipulation in this contract. That's funny you say that because maybe there was something about a no contest in that contract, too, you know? You know what? There could be. Right. I mean, in the coming weeks, we'll know. Is it gonna take them that long? Well, we gotta hear what the commission says. It has to be a draft. We'll see what happens this week. I know the... The... The... Association of Boxing Commissions, they're gonna get on... They're gonna get on the California State Athletic Commission for this. Why is that? Just... Well, I mean, California's one of the more... California and Nevada are the two most respected commissions. Mm-hmm. So they're gonna want to see them address this because nobody was satisfied with what happened last night. I mean, even the fighters. I don't... I mean, Chad Dawson isn't satisfied with winning this way. Yeah. And Bernard Hopkins definitely isn't satisfied with losing this way. Yeah. I know we'll take a break, but I know when we come back, we were talking about the commissioner, how you said he's got no boxing experience. Yeah, we can talk about George Dodd and his. Yeah. Yeah, so we'll move on to that, and we're going to be back real quick in a minute with some more Madtime Radio. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. It's rough though because it's, I mean, you can get one in one state, but unless you're like, I mean, like in California, Nevada, like a boxer, boom, you're licensed to get in both states. It is, okay. And you're meant. Excuse me. What happened? Shut up. You go to like New Mexico, and if you're in like one of these tribal boxing commissions, no, dude, they will ream you for money. If you go to New Mexico and you're a tribal boxer. Oh, yes. Like if you go to any casino. Dude, the Pueblo Isleta Casino, dude. Pay them in Buffalo, dude. Nah, man, they took American. Pay them in blankets and smallpox. I did. I tried, dude. Here's a pie and a blanket. Here's some otter pelts, guys. I mean, no. This is real leather hide. That's crazy, man. So what? But if the commissioner doesn't have any boxing experience. How does that affect the boxing, though? He's not making any. He's not a ref, right? He can't be a judge or a ref. No. Those are really the guys you want with the experience. Exactly. I mean, look, if it was up to me, I'd like Pat Russell, the referee of this fight. I wish he was the head of the commission. Yeah, you would think that, you know, there'd be like some type of panel, a committee that was going to vote, you know, or, you know, somebody that was going to put the right person in. But. I guess something like that slipped through. Yeah, that's. I mean, do you think the referee made a mistake on that fight, that Hopkins fight? Well, first thing I want to know is I'd like to know at least who exactly was it the referee or the doctor who made the decision to rule the fight a knockout? Or maybe like you said, maybe no one in the announcer just said it. That'd be crazy, right? Oh, yeah. That announcer, it would be his hide right now. But. Well, I mean, you don't know. I mean, it's not up to him. Did he got. Because he got mics on. On that. On that. Because, I mean, the decision. I mean. At the at the end of the day, it's whoever the person in charge were the commission commission representative in charge that day. They give, you know, everything to the announcer. Look, this is a decision you're going to read. Now, who who made the final decision? I don't know if it was a ref, if it was a doctor. That would be crazy if it was the announcer. Do you think that's why he said, you know what? Let's not let's not speak of this until we have everybody involved, you know, really look at it and go back and we can really come to. Definitive answer why this came about. I believe. Well, I believe so. That and just the fact that I don't I'm thinking you had to address the question. Well, I think that he's worried about. I mean, OK, so you have this controversy in this fight. Right. And then you just had one at the other fight. That was in Nevada. But still, I mean, you just California about almost the same thing. Right. Right. Really close. And I think you're starting to worry. You already know that this whole MMA is taking over. So boxing's worried. I don't know. I think he's just trying to protect the image before anything gets out that this shouldn't be out there. You know? Maybe he comes back and be like, hey, listen, you know, so and so never said that or. I mean, like we said before, boxing is never going to die. There's going to be there's always going to be fans. Yeah. There's boxing fans, too. There is. And, you know, hopefully MMA can reach, you know, can reach that status. You know, who knows? Probably not in our lifetime. But, you know, I like I like boxing. Like, I like watching the little guys because they're fast and they come out and bang, you know. But I also like seeing the guys that are hungry. They don't have a name because, I mean, that's like in any sport, right? They go out there. I don't don't don't get me wrong. I mean, I just had a club fight last month. And that's one thing I love more than anything. Going to just a good club fight. There's never a bad seat in the house. Watching a bunch of four rounders go at it. Yeah. Yeah. You told me that you were. Is that the one you're doing the announcing at? No, no, no, no. September. No, that's September 29th. That's when I had a fighter fight over there at Hollywood Park Casino. And we lost a tough four round decision. But, you know, we'll be back. And actually, November 26th, he's getting another fight out there. So what would you call it? The boxing? You just call this something. You say you just went somewhere to watch all these fights. Hollywood Park Casino? No, a club fight. Club fight. Yeah. We call it a club fight. Small shows. Those are club fights. Yeah. Well, maybe when we come back, you can explain what a club fight is. All right. Yeah, exactly. Let's get down to the roots and where these guys come up from and everything before they start making these big pitties. So we'll be back in a minute. More Matt Time Radio. You're listening to Matt Time Radio. This is Moya Brand. Call us. 800-893-9000. 833-9562. Skid Row Studio. We'll be right back. On the table. You wanted to. Why don't you trust in my self-righteous suicide? I cry. Angels deserve to die. Wake up. Wake up. Grab a shipper and a little makeup. I just got to be. I just got to fade away. I just got to fade away. Why don't you leave the kids up on the table? 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You got boxing questions? You got MMA questions? You got questions for Hector? Huh. He gets all mad if you start talking about boxing all bad. Aw, come on, dude. He's going to start jabbing me. Yeah, and then actually talking about, you know, boxing and kind of how it, you know, intertwines how people are just cross-training and stuff. Just reading that James Berto, actually, you know, brother of Andre Berto, is going to be back in the ring after being off for 18 months. You know that guy, Hector? Well, I do know the Berto family. I know Duizel Berto, their dad. And Andre Berto, the... Um... Former World Worldweight Champion, Olympic representative. He fought for Jamaica. James, I only got to see one of his fights, but fill me in, Rich. I mean, why was he out for 18 months? I guess he was off from an injury, but it's actually not really a big show he's going to be doing. He's going to be doing Warrior One MMA. Not really, you know, top billing. But, yeah, he was... It looks like he was off for a while and coming back. But, I mean, it just shows that a lot of these guys have, you know, they're coming from boxing, and I guess they're trying to, you know, find other ways to stay in the sport and stuff. Well, it goes back to what you were asking me earlier, like with boxing on the club show. It seems to me like Berto is obviously finding out a smaller show, smaller card, but he's trying to get back into the mix and build himself back up to, you know, at least UFC-level shows, right? What do these guys make at a little show like that? A couple hundred bucks? Well, yeah, a lot of times what guys will do, they'll... Okay. They'll... They'll... They'll... Like their manager will pay a promoter to put their fighter on the card. Okay. And what they'll do, they'll pay, but they'll ask for that amount of money in tickets, you know, and then they'll go ahead and sell tickets and make their money that way, right? Because a lot of the guys that we know that fight also sell tickets. I mean, they get paid, but they also sell tickets, which... Yeah, that seems to be a thing. You want to fill the seats, right? Well, yeah, because you're helping two guys. One, you're helping yourself because if you could sell tickets, that means, one, you could put asses in seats. Right. And your marketability, your marketability shoots up. Right. And two, from a promoter, if it's like, all right, like if this guy asked me for 1,800 bucks in tickets, wait a minute, you could bring all those people in? What if you had a guy that was like 0 and 10 but can sell like 2,000 tickets? Interesting story. Let's go back in time. Back in 03, I used to work with a guy named Sal Casillas who now runs our boxing gym out in Southgate. This guy had a 5 and 18 record. Oh. 5 and 18. Yeah, we talked about this cat, right? 5 and 18 record, but the... The guy would guarantee to sell you 300 tickets any time he fought. 300 tickets, right? He just asked your bro, give me 300 tickets. I don't... Just 300 of your cheap seats, I will sell them. And everything was so, let's see, 300, do the math, times 25. Wait a minute, you could sell this amount? Yep. That's... What is that? I believe that even talking about like the old King of the Cage days, the guys were, you know, talking about that recently too where they would have to sell tickets and get, you know, people to fill seats. And it's true. Either you're exciting or you feel like you're going to win. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. If you fill seats, you know, it's really going to come down to, you know, to money. Now see, thank you, Chris, for doing the math. Like in case of Casillas, what he would do... Sal Casillas, what he would do... Dude, look him up on BoxRecs. Sal Casillas, 5 and 18. But like what he would do, he'd sell $7,500 in tickets. Now think about it, guy's got a 5 and 18 record. He could do that money and he'd keep 5,000 for himself? Well, then you got to get all the other money you're going to get from like beer or whatever. That's, yeah, the promoter taking that money. I mean, for... for parking. Exactly. A promoter looks at that and says, wait a minute, you can bring this much, that's how much money you could generate? If you could bring those people in here to consume, you know, snacks, concessions, beer, whatever, cool, I could pay you like that. Yeah, you were telling me that he had some really tough fights, so. Well, see, when you look at his 5 and 18 record, when you looked deep, when you look, hell, you could go on BoxRec and look at his record and you'll see that like 13 of his losses came against guys who had either won or had fought for a world title. And when you looked at him, he was never knocked out. Every time you'd see split decision, majority decision. So you're looking and you're going, hey, wait a minute, one of these judges saw you win. Yeah. So you must be doing something right. Yeah, well, there's another person too, kind of, I don't want to put anyone on blast, but there's someone, you know, local MMA guy too, it's kind of the same deal. Yeah, well, that's probably in MMA, boxing and everything, you're always going to find your journeyman, an odd guy like that. You're going to find like a gatekeeper, I guess you can kind of, they call them, and it's just really, really good at what they do as far as promotion and getting people excited about fights and stuff, you know? I'll say this about them, and you know, I know that like a lot of people ask, oh, what are these guys fighting? These guys are absolutely vital to any combat sport, be it MMA, be it boxing, you need your journeyman fighters, guys who, guys who a young fighter gets to develop on. Hey, Clay Guida. Yeah, well, and I think it takes, it's pretty rare when you find a guy that knows how to promote himself and is really good, and those guys always seem to, they blow up, you know, big time, obviously, because they can do both sides of the. Yeah, exactly. They're either doing one thing, they're either hyping everybody up, or they're in the gym not saying much, and they're just training and training and getting better. I mean, if you guys want to talk about a guy who could promote himself like nobody else, one of my favorite fighters to watch back in the day, Jorge Maromero Pais. Oh, yeah, yeah. Dude, honestly, look, the last 10 years of that guy's career, the guy wasn't championship level, but people wanted to see him just to see what kind of crazy outfit he was going to wear into the ring. I mean, the guy would walk into the ring in a wedding dress sometimes. I thought it was more because like, from what I remember from him, he seemed to appeal, obviously, boxing, inner city kind of sport, you know what I mean? And he seemed to be a guy who came from a hardworking family in a circus. Yeah, he came from. You can relate to that struggle, you know, when you're coming up, you're like, here's a dude that like, probably his family struggles, he's not rich by no means, but you know, they're just working hard in the circus, and the guy ended up buying the circus for his grandparents. He lives out in Bakersfield now. He does? Yeah, he's in Bakersfield. His face is probably all meatloafed up. Right, but you know what, he's still one of the funniest guys you could meet, and shout out to Jorge if you're out here, you know, he's a pride of Chicale. Well, you know, another thing that happens to old boxers is funny, and actually, I have a really good friend that I met in my years in the car business. His name was Adrian Areola. Yeah, that's Chris Areola's dad, right? Yeah, from Camino Real Chevrolet. Yeah, that's right. And, and he's a very good friend of mine, and one of the nicest people I've ever met, and even, you know, at a point, I'm not sure if he was still there, he had Paul Gonzalez working there on the payroll. Yeah, Paul Gonzalez is still there. Yeah, Olympic gold medalist, you know, there, you know, selling Chevys, you know. Yeah. Just thinking about, you know, people and stuff that were in the sport, and yeah, Adrian, you look at his nose, he's like, wow, you can't always tell a boxer, you know? Yeah, Adrian Areola, he's the father of current heavyweight contender, Chris Areola from Riverside. Oh, okay. Yeah, that nose, the boxer's nose, oh. Boy, everyone seems to have that, except Joe Calzaghe, dude, that guy, you look at him, you'd swear that guy was a soccer player. I mean, his nose is perfectly straight. I don't know, mine's pretty straight. Yeah, but you never box, You never box, bro. Only in the street. Yeah, I don't know, I mean, there's a pretty big difference when you go like, that many rounds and stuff. Well, I mean, I always tell people, like, especially now, with MMA being so, I want to quote unquote, trendy, but everybody wants to be a fighter, right? And I say, the only way to be a fighter and train for a fight is to be in a fight, you know? So, I mean, the longevity of, of your face taking punishment, especially boxing, because it's either, you know, it's all the waist and above. Right, I mean, I think, I think, Roy Jones Jr. is the only guy I've ever seen just punch, punch someone's arm where he couldn't use it. Do you remember that fight? Oh, yeah, I've seen it. I think he punched the guy's arm so many times, so it made him drop his arm, you know, but. Yeah, he just punched him in the delt and he just. Yeah, he just punched in his arm. I think it was against Glenn Kelly, yeah. Yeah, Glenn Kelly, that's what it was. But you know what I mean? That's like the only time I've ever seen, but other than that, it's your face or your body and, you know, that's only going to take so much beating too. Yeah, some guys you see them, you know, their faces are all just oatmeal lumpy, dude. Yeah, well, I have a friend that, you know, he fights Muay Thai and, you know, he's just still barely getting his sanctioned fights and, you know, he's already got a cracked orbital. Yeah, see, that's dangerous. That's when he's got to, like, question the commission. Not that, nothing against the guy, like, you know, a guy making a living, but, I mean, when, you know, you're getting little in return, you're just taking a beating, like, with a broken orbital, that's when. Well, broken orbital with headgear on. See, yeah, see. That's crazy. But in Muay Thai, it's, I mean, with the elbows and, you know, the leg kicks and everything, it's bound to happen. Do you not get that a lot in boxing? Broken orbitals? Yeah, I mean, you want to talk about one of the, watch Melder, Taylor, Julio Cesar Chavez, round nine of that fight, Chavez hits him with a straight right hand, breaks his orbital. You hear when it breaks, dude. Really? That's crazy. There's like 40 seconds left in the ninth round when it happens, dude. So what happened? Oh, well, what happened? I was going to say, that's a fight stopper right there. Well, I don't know, because sometimes you're so dumped up on adrenaline, you know? Well, Melder Taylor was winning every, every round of that fight. That's crazy. Till round 12, when Chavez knocked him out. I'll, I'll give you the whole, here, here's, here's the list of injuries he took. Broken orbital, orbital bone. From one fight? From, yeah, against Julio Cesar Chavez. And keep in mind, Chavez was losing, losing the fight when he knocked him out. Broken orbital bone, bruised kidneys. The guy was urinating pure blood. Oh. All right. He needed three plates put into his orbital. Orbital socket. That's crazy. Oh, yeah. And a gash inside his lip that required 13 stitches. I mean, poor guy drank about a pint, drank two pints of his own blood during the fight. Yeah, that's crazy. Wow. That's a beating. Yeah. But that just tells you, he must have been getting hit all 12 rounds before that. He capped it, right? I mean, it was, they, the name of the fight was Thunder Meets Lightning, and it lived up to the billing, dude, because that's what it was. It was, he'd be landing three shots. Chavez would be like, wham, wham. Chavez, Chavez was taking something, he was taking away from him, even though he was losing the fight. So. How's Chavez's kid? Doesn't he fight? He's good. He's good, man. He's good. You know, Junior's a good kid, man. He's at Freddie Roach's gym at Wild Card. You know, they've brought him along slowly. Kid's got a world title. I mean, he puts his work in, man. Yeah. Nice. Nice. Well, we're going to be back, and we're going to be back again, and also, we want your calls, 1-800-893-9562. Call us up, hit us up on Facebook, or on Twitter, at MattRose. We're going to take a quick break, and be back in a minute. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. This is a throwback, throwback. It's a throwback. Oh, yeah. This is Moya Brand Fighter, Bill the Grill Cooper, and you're listening to Matt Town Radio on skidrow.la. The grill. Oh, Bill the Grill. Yes, sir. And actually, even really quick, you know, I want to say what's up to our boy, Jay Santoyo, another Moya Brand Fighter. He just took first place at the, it was at the US Open of Jiu-Jitsu up there in San Jose. That's it. Congratulations, Jay. Just call him ugly. That's what we call him. Yeah, just call him ugly. Come on, dude. That's his tournament, though. He goes up there every year and he does really, really well. You know, the whole team, the home team does, you know, does really well, but, you know, Jay really works hard on that one. Hey, so like during the song, we were talking about rapping. Hand rapping? Hand rapping. Yeah, well, what? Just because I'm a rapper? Yeah, hand rapping. Hey, he's a straight G. We're not against rap. We're not against rappers. That's a good song. What song is that? That's Bone Thugs, isn't it? No. We are against those thugs. What song is that? I forgot. Dude, I just, it just popped into my head. Oh, my God. Now I'm going to be like, what is that song? Hey, we're talking about hand rapping. Anyway, yeah, we're talking about hand rapping. Yeah, and the reason I was asking because last time we had a boxer here, we were asking if it's more, if the, if the, oh, Darryl? Yeah, Darryl, that's right. Darryl Monique, yeah. We're asking if the rapping was for protection of your knuckles or so your metacarpals don't get hurt. Don't break. Well, more than anything, I mean, the hand rap is to protect your hand in general, but you're looking at three areas. You're looking at your knuckles, your metacarpals, and your wrist. If you're familiar with the hand, I mean, your wrist, there's, it's all cartilage. There's no bone there. So you need as much support as possible there. Well, now that we have you here, actually, I wanted to ask you, too, what are the, you know, because we were talking about it where a lot of, it seems the lighter fighters are breaking their hands in the middle of fights. What are, is it a common occurrence in boxing as well? Well, again, man, what hands, hands aren't made to punch, dude. They're not made to punch. You hit a guy on the top of the head, you could break your hand. If you've had previous injuries, too. If you've had previous injuries, you could hurt your hand again. If you get on the mat and roll with a wand, he'll break your wrist. Oh, yeah. Side note, dude. Okay, thank you. All right. Yeah, but, I mean, it happens. Sometimes guys don't let an injury heal. So, they tape you, so, are you taping past the wrist when they do that? You're taping right, I'd say, yeah, just past the wrist. I'd say maybe three inches below the wrist. Okay. That's probably as far as you're going. And, I mean, first, it's, I mean, it's all gauze. It's, you get a small layer of tape first on your bare hand. Then you start going with the gauze. Usually build a knuckle pad. Mm-hmm. And then after you're done wrapping with the gauze, you go at it with the tape. Okay. Because I know that's what you usually see is the gauze on the knuckles, but... Right. You're not allowed to put tape directly on the knuckles. The closest you can bring the tape to the knuckles is an inch below the knuckles. Okay. You can put tape in between the knuckles, but no tape directly on them. So, you can put tape in between, but nothing directly on them. Oh, I didn't know that. And how tedious it is, the commission is there, and, you know, they have a process and a procedure for wrapping hands, and they watch you all the way through. It's not a specific... I mean, it's not a science. You'll never find two, what do you call it, wrappers that wrap the exact same way. I know three different ways to wrap a hand. But you can put tape between the knuckles then. In between the knuckles? Right, because that'll hold that gauze. Yeah, you cut them in strips, and then you just lay them across. The commission is looking for is that you don't slip anything into your knuckle pad, that you're not putting... Glass. Yeah, you're... Glass knuckles. Okay, kickboxer. Glass. Exactly, that you're not taping above the knuckles. No white powder from Bloodsport. Exactly. Well, it seems like even at certain points during the wrapping, the commission will sign off on it, and then they kind of continue on. Yeah, when you're done actually wrapping the hand and taping it, what the commission does, they come up and a commission inspector will sign off his name on your wraps, basically like that. Boom, his hand's been wrapped, and you can't doctor it from that point on. You ever see anybody get caught doing anything? Or no? No of anything that happened recently? No of anything. I mean, there was the Antonio Margarito fight, but that, I think, was blown out of proportion. What was that about? There was nothing... Was there anything in the knuckle pad? No. Basically, he got caught using an old knuckle pad from the gym. But, I mean, he didn't fight with it. He didn't fight with it. They made him rewrap his hand. Well, even those commissioners, once you're wrapped and everything, they will follow you. You can't go to the restroom by yourself. Right, you can't. You can't go nowhere. You can't go anywhere without one of these commission guys. Well, you see that in every sport. I mean, you see the guy with the red coat. That's the one. Yeah, they're like a chaperone. Yeah. Are those guys paid? Those guys are paid employees of the state. They are, okay. Yeah, they're the ones with the license and the credentials, and those are the people that, you know, yeah, you gotta really consult with them on any movement that you make, you know, in the locker room and in that area. Yeah, so those guys are probably, it's probably good if those guys got some experience, because then they know what's going on. Yeah, you know what? With California, at least some of the, most of the inspectors I do know, I've known for a long time, and, I mean, they're pretty competent in what they do. Yeah, I mean, a lot of them are supposed to be there watching like a hawk. Some of them that are more experienced or they kind of see fighters again, they just, they kind of, they trust, you know, the trainers that do what they're doing a little bit. They kind of, they're not gonna watch you as much. I mean, a lot of times, I mean, it's usually the big deal when you're wrapping a guy. It's no more than, look, watch me. I'm gonna make a hand pad. Here, check it. I'm gonna use it. Boom, let's go. Yeah, I've seen, I've seen a couple, you know, a couple of guys, you know, different people that they get wrapped on the same day and, you know, looking at their commissioner and some are like really, you know, tedious about watching the process and other ones are like, you know, they really don't. Yeah. So they make that, they make that wrist pretty stiff when they wrap it? Right, they do. They have to, right? I mean, it all depends too because it's, imagine like, say if a fighter's had a previous injury, the, your, the guy wrapping your hand might pay more attention to a certain area to protect you. To protect it. Okay. I mean. Oh, it looks like we got a caller in the line. Hello, caller. Hector's on. What was that? Hello, hello. Hey, what's up, guys? This is Jesse from Moira Brand. I just want to tell you guys a great show, man. I really enjoy watching you guys, listening to you guys. Yo, Jesse. Good looking out, man. What's going on in the lab, man? How's the, how's the company going? Oh, everything's going good, man. We had some guys compete at the US Open. Big John Santoyo brought home the gold. Yeah, man. We had Mike. Micah, Micah Yu-Yu from, or Miguel Aju-Yu from BJJ Revolution Team and his buddy, Mike Carbolito. They placed first. JT, another guy, second. So, yeah, we had a good turnout. Rene Lopez from Drysdale was one of our guys also placed first. So, we had about six, seven guys competing out there. They all placed. So, it was pretty cool. Yeah, that was good. No, I did see that video that you posted, you know, premiering your new gi for, for those guys, you know, to compete in. Oh, yeah, yeah. We sent them a package, a care package. Oh, nice. Of the new black Descartes gi, which was, we ended up selling it out in about two weeks. Man, I know. I saw it was a nice looking gi, man. Oh, thank you, man. Yeah, Richard was still waiting for his care package. So, that way, you know, we could share it with a lot of, you know, as many folks as possible. So, we should be back in stock, you know, by looking at around December sometime. And did you guys get to take a look at that, that sneak preview of the new gi that we're going to be having soon? If that was the one that you were mentioning, yeah, the one with the care package, I did see that video. That was good stuff. Yeah, so that was something. We weren't even going to show it, but we got a little excited. You know, we were really happy with the samples, the design. So, we decided, you know what, we're going to come out with it sooner than later. Nice. Isn't one of you guys' fighter too sunny? Doesn't he have a fight coming up too? Yeah. Actually, Sonny is fighting October 28th at Las Vegas MMA at the Hilton in Vegas. So, if anybody's in town or, you know, stop by, check out Sonny and grab some tickets. You know, that's part of the way that these guys earn their purses by, you know, selling tickets also. Yeah, we just talked about that today too. And actually, yeah, Sonny might walk out with the Hawaiian gi that we're going to be debuting soon. Ooh. Oh, nice. Nice. So, it'll be like a good, good look for everybody to, you know, be able to check it out and stuff. Sweet, man. Well, hey, thanks for calling the show. Hey, man. Thank you. Going good, man. We were just talking, we've got my buddy Hector's in studio. We're just talking about some boxing stuff. Yeah, changing gears a little bit. You know, want to, you know, just touch on some different things and stuff. And it seems like, you know, with the weekend's fights and stuff, boxing is our thing today. Yeah, your timing was good too because we played two Moya brand commercials today. We had a building grill commercial and then we just had your bumper earlier. So, Oh, the grill. We're going to come, we're going to have something nice for the grill coming out in April, May. So, maybe we could debut it on your, on your show next time if you guys are willing to have us back. Oh, for sure. For sure. Anytime, you know, definitely, especially Bill the Grill. He's just an awesome guest and everything. And, yeah, we're excited about, you know, what Bill's got going on too. Oh, yeah. Bill's actually fighting next month in Strikeforce. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We, yeah, we talked about that and they already got his fighter all set and stuff. So, yeah, cool, man. Right on, dude. So, I just wanted to say hi to you guys and call in. I got my kids in the bath and they're like screaming at me already. Cool. Hey, really quick before you run, you want to give out the website in case people want to go check out your stuff? Yeah, check us out at www.moyabrand.com. That's M-O-Y-A-B-R-A-N-D.com. If anybody's got any questions, you could always send us an email at info at moyabrand.com. All right, man. Nice. Good looking down, man. Appreciate it. All right. Thanks a lot, guys. I appreciate it. You guys have a good night, man. All right. You too, Jesse. All right. Later. Thank you. Bye-bye. Nice. What were you saying before that? We're talking hand wraps. Hand wraps. We're asking, what were you telling me before that? I don't know, but it's seven o'clock, man. But before we go, I want a chicken wrap right now. Before we go, we want to, you know, give out our thank yous and, you know, first of all, to you, Hector, for stopping in, you know, taking some time on a Sunday. No, no, no, no, dude. It's always a pleasure coming here, man, with you guys. And a lot of good knowledge today, man. I learned some stuff. No, no, no. Trust me. I mean, usually when there's a fight, if I can come in, I'll come in, give a recap, give you my two cents on a fight. Yeah, one of these days, you'll have to bring one of your up-and-coming fighters or, you know, one of the productions you got going on. Sure thing, sure thing. Because I like, you know, I like learning about boxing. It's pretty interesting. I guess that's why they call it the sweet science. You know it. Yeah, man. So, yeah. Some housekeeping stuff, though. We're going to be returning back. Yeah, it looks like we're going to be off for a little bit. Skid Row Studios, we want to bring you the best entertainment possible. And it looks like we have a lot of things in the works. And, you know, we want to do this for you all. So, we're going to be off for a little bit, doing some maintenance, and we'll be back as soon as we can. And we want to bring you some more good guests and, you know, some more exciting things from Skid Row. Yeah. Jeremy's working hard trying to get this boat moving, so. So, I mean, if you can, you know, if you have questions, you have ideas for the show, hit us up on our Facebook page. Hit us up on Twitter. We'll put it together. And, you know, we want to hear from you. Oh, you want to be a guest? You got something going on? Send us an email. Let us know. Hit us up. We'll run it by Hector and see what he thinks. All right, everyone. Well, this has been another episode of Madtown Radio. Thanks for coming in. Until next time, let's go train. Yep. Crayle out. Crayle out. I want to break free. I want to break free. I want to break free from your lies. You're so self-centered. 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