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I want to live a life of sin I want to be like ginger Lynn La la dee, la la die Surrender to the force that lies within I want to be like ginger Lynn La la dee, la la die That's extreme titty juggling. I had my titties in the camera. If you're not watching the show here, if you're listening to it on iTunes, you've got to check it out on skidrowstudios.com. We're on live every day from 4 to 6 p.m. You can actually see the show as well as listen to it. That's skidrowstudios.com. I'm out of breath. That was a good workout. That was a good workout. I was back and forth and up and down. These hooters are, they're 36 C's. Build your bicep at the same time. I think they're more like D's. Yeah, I'd say a good D. They're a good D? Yeah. Yeah, I'm very happy with my titties. And I'm out of breath. Welcome to the show. Welcome to Blame It On Ginger. I am Ginger Lynn with, of course, Nancy Monroe. Woo! And Stevie! Stevie, do you have your mouth full of something again? Chicken and biscuits. Chicken and biscuits? I had one chicken and biscuit. Uh-huh. And you're still chewing on it? Mm-hmm. It's almost gone. You look good with something in your mouth. Mm. It's a good look for you. I'm watching your lips go in. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. He gets that often. I bet you look really sexy sucking a dick. Mm. Have you ever taken a selfie or a photo of yourself while you're sucking a dick? I didn't. I got caught. You got caught? By who? Not Grandma. No. It was Becca and her boyfriend. How'd they catch you? What were you doing? Uh-oh. There's the juicy stuff. There's always, whenever Stevie laughs and giggles, there's a story coming. Uh-huh. We were taking pictures. Who's we? I don't know. I don't know who the guy was. I just gave him my camera and said, can you take some pictures? While you're sucking his dick. Some other guy's dick. While you're sucking another guy's dick. Mm-hmm. Okay, so you were having a threesome. So you just handed the phone to a stranger? It was my camera. You handed the camera? I handed him my camera to him. Where were you? Downtown. Downtown LA? Downtown Ventura. Downtown Ventura. Oh, wow. So you're sucking some guy's dick. You hand your camera to another guy and ask him to take photos. Mm-hmm. And we're in the door jam, like in the doorway. Of? Of? Of? Of? Of? Of? Of? Of the pier? A restaurant? Of the pier? Of? Yeah, it was a store. Some store that's gone out of business by now. I guess. And you just dropped down to your knees and started sucking some guy's dick? Yeah. And we ended up in the middle of taking pictures and then Becca and her boyfriend, good thing I knew them, came around the corner and looked. Oh, I know him. And then they ended up... What did you do then? The guy stuck, he put his head down and he handed me back the camera and he walked past Becca and her boyfriend and he went, I'm so sorry. That's funny. So how do you look sucking a dick? Do you look pretty good? I don't know. I never looked at the photos. You never looked at the photos? Oh. But it was fun to do it. Now, I'm going to say that's one of those things that's illegal to do in public. We're talking about today things, laws that are still on the books. Some of them are ridiculous. Some of them are normal. Some of them, should be, maybe they shouldn't be. I don't know. I don't know. But like... I think it depends on the time of the day. The time of the day? Mm-hmm. I know that I've had sex in a doorway in Hollywood. I was standing in line to a club one day and I was with a friend and I was wearing a short little skirt and the line wasn't moving. It was before the line moves, before you go in. So we just kind of stepped into this little doorway and just started fucking right there with all these people. So all you could see was the back of his ass pumping while he was fucking me in the doorway. And I know that was illegal. I fucked in probably... Nick and I, we pretty much every time we go out in public, if it's possible, we will have sex in the bathroom of the place that we are at. And I don't think that one's legal either. If no one knows though, they're not gonna... If no one knows. Thank you. No, we were at... Where were we? We were at the Shudders Hotel here in Los Angeles and it's a really nice hotel down on the beach. And they have these sofas that are set up in front of fireplaces and Nick and I, we're sitting there and the night starts off. I've got a vibrating egg inside of my pussy. There you go. And I'm sitting next to him and we're sitting in front of the fireplace and he's got the remote control. So he'll turn it on, he'll turn it off, he'll turn it on. And people are milling by and they're wandering around and the front desk is over to our right. And this Asian guy comes in and he sits down next to me and Nick has got the remote control and he's not... He's relentless. He will not let up on it. And I'm literally over here biting on his shoulder. I'm biting into it. I'm trying not to... I'm trying not to squeal and I'm trying really hard not to come and it's just that thing where you're going... I'm not going to be able to hold him back anymore. Did he think that... Did the Asian guy think he had a personality disorder? He did not do anything. He sat there. We were on the sofa. He was in a chair next to us and he just sat there with his arms on the arm chair and stared straight ahead. And you couldn't miss me. He was three feet away from me and I'm having an orgasm. So after I'm done, I pick up my purse and I go to the bathroom and Nick gets up and he's like, and he follows me and he takes me to the men's room. I get the egg out and he starts fucking me in the men's room on the toilet. So we're fucking and he's sitting there and he's fucking me and I'm bent over it and we're going at it and we have this great session and he comes inside of me and we go back out and we sit down at the sofa that we were at a few minutes prior to that. And I'm like, where's my purse? Oh my gosh. And Nick goes, you left it in the bathroom. Fuck. So he goes back into the men's room. My purse is gone. My purse is gone. So now, now we had to go, not we, I'm like, you have to go check and see if it's at the front desk. I can't do it. I can't do it. I can't do it. So Nick goes up and they're like, they didn't even say anything. He didn't even ask for my purse. They just handed it over the counter. That's a good one. It's a good thing that we're good tippers. So there are times when people will turn their heads when they know that something's going on. I mean, somebody obviously came out of the men's room with my purse, gave it to the front desk and they, I mean, there was no way that the front desk could not see that I was having an orgasm either. I think the nicer the place you're in and the better a customer you are, the bigger you tip, the more you can get away with. The more lenient they are. But there are a lot of laws on the books and they are laws to keep women in line. Now, I have a little issue with this one. Do you have, or with just laws to keep women in line, what is the first law on the books? Well, in some of these, well, what really jumped out at me is the fact that, and we mentioned this earlier, is not the place where you can't wear high heels in public, but as per North Carolina's definition of rape, you can't change your mind about giving consent. And that, I think, is really, really crazy. Read on. What does it say about that? Well, in 1979, in North California, whoops, North Carolina, pardon me, Supreme Court ruling decreed that sex must be consensual, but that consent would not be withdrawn during a single act of intercourse. That is to say, so, rape isn't rape in the state of North Carolina if a lady says yes and then no after the act has begun. So, this ruling allowed that the state district's attorney's office to dismiss a case as recently as 2010, so not that long ago from now. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah. And it was the case where there was a teen girl accused, she accused another high schooler of rape, and since the girl initially gave consent before asking him to stop, no rape was, no rape had occurred. So, this is, this stuff's still going on today and I think it's ridiculous. That's insane. So, if I start having sex with you and I'm having a good time and all of a sudden you become violent or I just simply decide I don't want to fuck you anymore, it doesn't matter in North Carolina. apparently not. And it brings, you know, the topic we were discussing last week, you know, and some of this violent sex, is it sex or is it just like past the point of even a fetish? Yeah. Apparently in North Carolina it wouldn't be considered rape. That is insane. Yeah. I thought that was That is completely bizarre. I will never be in North Carolina and having sex. You know, yeah, I definitely won't be visiting there. Oh my goodness. Well, another one on the books is in Cleveland. Now, Cleveland, I don't think of as being back ass words. It's not like it's a big, huge, giant city, but Cleveland is a decent sized city. They have a law that it is illegal to show under boob. Under boob. So, I don't wear those types of tops anymore, but I used to wear, the little cut off t-shirts and there would be a little titty that would hang out the bottom. So, we're talking no nipple, just like the silhouette of an under boob. Just an under boob, which is not, I wouldn't even consider that nudity. No, no, but I'm wondering, does that mean like, can I wear, in states that it is legal to show under boob, can I wear pasties out in public? What constitutes boob? Is it, is it any part of the breast makes it, Yeah, really. Your boob? Your boob? Cleavage could be considered boob. You know, what's the difference between showing the top, my, I show more cleavage than I do under boob, but what's the difference? Wow, what does it say? Yeah, that is pretty crazy. Let me see what, what the law states. This is kind of, huh. I mean, you look at, you look at men too. I mean, when men go running and stuff, sometimes they just pull off their shirt. They're showing plenty of under boob, considering that some have man boobs now. Yeah, a lot of men do. A lot of men have those boobs. A chapter of the Cleveland City Code of Ordinances entitled, entitled, Obscenity and Sex Offenses defines nudity as a female breast with less than a full opaque covering of any portion thereof below the top of the nipple. Okay, below the top of the nipple. Below the top of it? So below the top, so anything other than cleavage. Anything other than the cleavage. Now, you could probably show as much cleavage as you want. While most public indecency laws are aimed at keeping just the areola under wraps, Cleveland lawmakers went the extra mile to show that to shelter and protect its, to shelter and protect its citizens from the lower portion of the human breast. Additionally, an ordinance called prohibited conduct bans serving patrons while exposing any portion of the female breast at or below the areola thereof. Yep, under boob is not even permitted at a Cleveland Hooters. Oh, now that's funny. At Hooters. Now, Hooters, they're known for doing that. Yeah. And what's, I, I've seen, I don't have cleavage today, but normally I would wear this dress without this shirt. So that's called over boob, not under boob, I guess. No, but I'm showing almost my entire boob. And I'm wearing cleavage today too. You've got cleavage hanging out? Yeah, you've got boobies hanging out. So we'd be not arrested in Cleveland. We'd be okay in Cleveland with the top part of it, but if I worked at Hooters and I was still willing to have my, my little belly showing, huh. You know, I don't. So what about even like some of those tops that are just very sheer and you can wear it like a cute lingerie thing underneath as, so if it was like a silhouette of an under boob, you'd still have issues. You'd probably have issues. Now, what I'm concerned about here is breastfeeding. That's what comes to my mind. Now, I breastfed my son and I did it wherever I was. You know, I just popped out a titty and breastfed my son. I would put a blanket over his head, but you know, there's times it fell off and you're adjusting and stuff. So in Cleveland, is it illegal to breastfeed? Interesting. I would think it's probably, I guess. I mean, breasts are one of the, it's, it's a natural, natural part of your body and, and all of your parts of your body are, but it's, it's how you feed your children and I can't see where, we've come to the point where you can't show any of your breasts except the top. I can show all the cleavage I want. So if I'm going to breastfeed, do I have to like, I don't know. Well, I'm really happy they changed the laws in Canada because, What were the laws in Canada? Several years before I came to California. Are you from Canada? I'm from Canada. Oh, I didn't know that. I'm from Canada and, you know, I studied university in Ottawa and that's where the parliament is. It's kind of like, you know, the capital of Canada. Right. And, you know, men have their shirts off and everything and there was a protest and they were saying, well, hey, if men are doing this, what is it with women? If we're breastfeeding or, you know, if our breast shows in public, why would that be indecency or otherwise? What's the difference between a male breast and a female breast? Is it if a guy has big tits, does that count as boob? Well, and Lord knows some have bigger boobs than women. Absolutely. Yeah, and it's scary. So, I'm not a big fan of man boob. I'm not, I'm not either. I try not to judge. I try not to say, you know, this is my type, that's my type. I'm open to anybody, but man boob is pretty much a deal killer for me. yeah, it dries up your vagina. So, with that said, what if you have a mastectomy and they remove your nipples? Is it okay to walk around topless then? Well, in Canada, you're allowed. In Canada, you can be topless. They have, they gave equality to women on that topic. So, I could sunbathe topless. I could go to a restaurant if I wanted to. even in Europe? Well, in, in, in certain restaurants, I don't know in, you know, particular settings because, you know, for example, in certain restaurants, men are not allowed to topless inside. You know how certain establishments have, you know, shirt and shoes are required kind of thing. Exactly. So, if, if the law should be consistent between men and women regardless of the size of your titties. Regardless of the sex. I think so. Because I know a lot of women with very flat chests that barely have anything. My man has bigger tits than one of my girlfriends. Interesting. And he has no tits at all. He has no tits. Yeah. He has gotten, that's what I was about to say. Wait a minute. We're talking about, Your friend would have to indent. You mean, they go backwards. For him to have bigger boobs. Okay. Yeah, they do. They do. She's got inverted nipples. She's got inverted nipples. Inverted nipples. Interesting. Flat chest, inverted nipples. Concave chest too? Nothing going on. Oh. She is completely, she's, she was a fitness aerobics instructor for years. So she's just like down to, there's no body fat on her whatsoever. And therefore, she has absolutely no titties. No titties. Well, so I will move to Canada, but I'm not going to go to Cleveland. I'm definitely not going to Cleveland. Not going to Cleveland. Stevie, what's another one on our, on our list of absurd laws that are still in the books that hold, that hold down women? It says in Florida, Michigan, and Mississippi, you can't live with your boyfriend. In what? In Florida, Michigan, and Mississippi? Mm-hmm. Cohabitation laws in Florida, Michigan, and Mississippi. Mississippi. Mississippi. Easy for you to say. That's technically illegal for any unmarried man and woman to, to lewdly and lasciviously associate with one another. So, the punishment for doing it is a misdemeanor. Huh. What if you live, I mean, you could be fined and you can go to jail? Really? Isn't that crazy? Well, I haven't double, we have to go on Snopes and double check this or something. I don't know if it's current or if they just changed it in the past month or. According to this article, these are all still on the books. They're, they're not always. They just don't enforce them. They're not endorsed. Okay, but it's there just in case. But I mean, Florida, I'm surprised. Michigan. That surprised me too. Michigan a little bit too. Mississippi, I'm not surprised at all. Although, but you can marry your cousin at 12 in Mississippi, but you can't go have, you can't live with your boyfriend. Different strokes. I guess so. All right. I'm finding out the places that I don't want to live. I know that I'm not going to stay in California forever. Well, you might need a permit in certain parts of California. To do what? To wear your high heels. To wear my high heels? Yeah, we were a little surprised when we read that one too. Carmel. Carmel. Now, Carmel is a sleepy little town on the beach. It's a wonderful, beautiful little city. I've gone up there several times. One of my favorite things to do is go and get the Dungeness crab and hot chocolate because it's cooler up there and sit outside and eat my Dungeness crab, dip it in butter and drink hot chocolate with it. It's so good. Clint Eastwood, if I remember correctly, was the mayor of Carmel for a long time. And, I'm shocked that you can't wear high heels in public. It has to be over, any shoes with over two inches, that are two inches high and less than a square inch of a heel on the surface of the heel. So, you can't wear a pump? You can't wear stilettos. You can, you just have to get a permit from City Hall. Now, that's interesting. You just go down there and get a permit. So, are people with high heels over two inches considered like strippers or something just because we enjoy, you know, being on that platform or the sexiness of a shoe? I mean, all my shoes are over two inches. Yeah, all my heels are. Yeah, that's what I mean. Definitely, definitely. So, they'd have to be big square librarian shoes. Yes. I guess some people have. And that law is still on the books. Wow. Still on the books. Interesting. And, yeah, just for liability. Oh, and I love, I love the last sentence though, because you're all living dangerously, ladies. Huh. But you could trip in a platform. I can trip barefoot. I am the most uncoordinated person ever. You can trip with flip flops. Are you kidding? Absolutely. If you're goofy or just like, you know, not paying attention. Does it say why you're not supposed to wear high heels? What is the, what, I don't understand why you need a permit, what the offense is, what they're concerned about. They really are concerned more about liability for damages to you or someone else caused by either you falling on public streets or sidewalks wearing such shoes. And so you can't skateboard in your heels. But can you skateboard? Period. I would think there'd be, then if they're going to put a lot, I don't want to move to Carmel either. Well, realistically, Ginger, I mean, are we going to go for a 10 mile walk on the sidewalk if we're wearing stilettos? No, I'm probably, but I can see myself going up to Carmel for an afternoon. Yeah, at a restaurant or something. And definitely wearing heels. Maybe it's a noise thing. Maybe they don't want too much noise while people are dining. I'm just wondering if there's like a shoe police, if there's somebody that walks, walks around and can you imagine getting a ticket? They must have no shoe finishes. It is a very small town. Very small town. I don't know, that sounds a little. Is it just for women or is it for men as well? Well, they put a slash here so they allow the gender open, you know, you can kind of interpret. Yeah, they're saying, you know, the way I interpret this is, you know, from any and all liability for damages to her or himself. So you're allowed to be a transvestite and wear shoes, but you have to adhere to the two inch or less. Or if you fall into a trap. And trip your date. There you go. Or shove your heel in somewhere. But I just find this completely ludicrous. I won't be going there. No. It's not on my travel tourist list. I'm surprised it's in California because it is a wonderful little city and I've always loved going up there and enjoyed my afternoons when I've made it there. But I'm a shoe lover. I don't know if I'd go. I don't know. We'd have to like wear combat boots or something that day. Isn't that crazy? It's absolutely insane. What if you have ballet? You had knee slippers and you were walking around on your toes. I don't know. It doesn't sound like, it sounds like there's a shoe police over there. I think there is. And I'm just surprised that California would, California is one of the most open liberal states that there are, that there is. Maybe they just need to make extra money and parking tickets aren't working for them. You get fined for wearing toe shoes. There's a lot of elderly people up there. I don't think there's a lot of people that would be running. It would just be, you know who they would catch is the tourists that are up there visiting. Because they're unaware of these laws. Like when you think of it, just go tippy toe. Go on your toes and tippy, just like you're in heels. Have a little protest and walk around. Oh gosh. Wow. That's crazy. Wow. Yeah. I mean, I'm surprised that some of this stuff is still on the books. In certain states like Massachusetts and Idaho, you still can't have unmarried sex. Idaho, yes. Massachusetts, I'm surprised. Yeah. But it says here, many states still have anti-fornication laws on the books. Despite the fact that many white are living in a post-sex in the city universe where any Samantha or Charlotte can sleep or not sleep with whomever she'd like because she will not be judged by you or society so long as she can breathe and kneel. In all seriousness, nearly all Americans have indulged in premarital sex. I think that sues. I don't know. No, it's not me. I'm just feeling. It's not you. Oh, it's mind vibrating. Just stick it down there. Oh my goodness. So there's more than just Massachusetts and Idaho. In Massachusetts, Virginia, Georgia, Idaho, Mississippi, North Carolina, Utah, and South Carolina, it is still against the law for unmarried men and women to engage in sexual intercourse. Judges have ruled against the Virginia and Georgia law since 2003's Lawrence v. Texas Supreme Court ruling which effectively decreed the end of all morals legislation. These statutes would not stand up in any court today. But even if they aren't enforced, laws are meant to reflect the values and beliefs of the majority. So neglecting to take the time to improve codes of conduct isn't doing anyone a favor. Wow. And also, now sex toys. Are you a big sex toy kind of a girl? I love toys. It's great safe sex. It's great to take along with you on a trip to, you know, engage in creative things in the bedroom. You can incorporate toys. And mind you, I'm not like one of those toy addicts that replaces human touch. You can't. No, I'm really serious. Some people. There are girls that are attached to toys. There are girls that are attached to toys. There are girls that are attached. They get so used to their Bob, Stevie, their battery-operated boyfriend. I'm serious. Here, have some bitch power. I'm serious. I love that. I'm really serious. How laughing is that? You desensitize yourself to human touch because the toy is very predictable. Oh, no. Okay. Do you have a toy in you now? Is that why you're laughing? No. Stevie's wearing a butt plug. I was prepping for the next when you were done. Oh. I mean, I don't want to cut it off, but it's like it says here that in a certain state, women are apparently desperate for husbands and incapable, they're incapable of rational thought. Interesting. So, it is punishable to propose marriage and not follow through because these women are incapable. No. They are incapable of rational thought. But that's why I was laughing. I had nothing to do with the toy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're just saying that because you have a little surprise there in your bottom. I think so. I think so. I'm there. I think so. I had to hide my head and stash my heels before I got a ticket. about the sex toys. Is that considered against the law? There are, the sale of sex toys is prohibited. So, in Louisiana, Alabama, and Georgia. Oh, wow. So, it doesn't say that it's illegal to purchase. It's just illegal to sell them. Well, what it is is that they have laws that explicitly prohibit the sale of obscene devices. Wow. Defined as any object useful, primarily useful, primarily for the stimulation of human genital organs. In Louisiana, offenders may be charged $2,500 and imprisoned for three years. Well, they'll get more than just toys in prison, that's for sure. Wow. $2,500 in three years? That's a win-win. So, what about home toys? Like, things like, you know, when you did the fanny facial, you were using all, like, household and, like, things that you got in that bag. I think you're okay with that, but listen to this. The Georgia law calls for a misdemeanor charge, of a high and aggravated nature. But down in the heart of Dixie, anyone caught hawking dildos is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by a fine of $10,000 or one year of hard labor. Subsequent offenses are considered a felony. So, if you do it more than once, if you get caught selling dildos the first time, it's a misdemeanor, but you can still get a $10,000 fine and a year of hard labor. After that, you get a felony for selling sex toys. Now, this is kind of funny. It includes vibrators, similar devices. Wow. You might as well just go out and get a DUI instead of that. Wow. If you gotta get a $10,000 fine. I was in South Africa. I spent four months there. I was filming a film called Buried Alive with John Carradine, Donald Pleasance, Robert Vaughn, and I was there to film for six weeks and I was cast in another movie. So, I ended up spending four months in South Africa. And the first month I was okay. Second month, I had a lover. Third month, I had a lover, but I was still like, it was a female lover. So, we were jonesing for a dildo. And I talked to the makeup artist because the makeup artist is always the person that's gonna tell you where to go and get the good stuff. So, we get picked up by, what was her name? Doesn't matter. Get picked up by this girl. She takes us to this house. We drive up in a van and it looks like the Munsters family home. Oh my gosh. There's got the big gate. There's all the overgrown, vine coming up. We get buzzed in. You go inside and we had to sit in this room in these big chairs. And you know when you feel like your feet don't touch the ground and you're like not where you're supposed to be? So, Verda and I, Todd Bridges' sister, Verda Bridges and I that were sitting there, we were waiting and this guy comes out and he's got a briefcase. And it was like a drug deal. I swear to God, he opened up the briefcase and you've got the dildos laid out there and there were the different prices and it was a big fucking deal. It was like sneaking, it was like going to a drug dealer's house in the middle of the night. And I remember I bought a dildo. Verda bought a dildo. We played with each other with them. And when we were getting ready to leave, I wanted to bring it home and they were like, no, you can't bring it home. You cannot be caught. Oh, it was a rental. Oh, no. Well, I purchased it but you can't take it home. You can't take it. Don't choke on your saliva, Stevie. You might push out the butt plug. So, there are entire countries that ban the sale of dildos. Absolutely. Not the rental but the sale. Well, yeah. No, it was illegal to rent it as well. You cannot have, they call it contraband and you're not allowed to have it in the country. But yet, you can take a banana and enjoy it. You can kill people. When I checked into my hotel, I walked in and there was a police officer there. There were actually several of them with machine guns. There was the caution tape in front of the elevators and a pool of blood. There was a guy who had worked there and been fired and he came in drunk and they gunned him down in the hotel lobby that I was staying at. This is the Johannesburg Sun. Wow. Which is a really nice hotel. And so, it's legal to shoot somebody for carrying a hammer. But you can't fuck yourself with a dildo. You can't fuck yourself with a dildo. Unbelievable. The world is coming to an end. Unbelievable. We've got a great show coming up for you today. We have Suze Randall coming in the studio. The first photographer who ever shot me shot me for Penthouse Magazine. Looking forward to meeting her. She is an amazing woman. She'll be coming in in a few minutes. We've got all kinds of fun things planned for you today. So, don't go anywhere. We will be right back here on Playment on Ginger. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. Absolutely. Creative freedom. So, you started by shooting your own photos. Were those the first photos that you ever shot? No, no, no, no, no. Well, no, no, no. I answered an ad in an underground newspaper in London when I was nursing at the time but we needed some extra money. So, I just answered an ad and went to see this guy who fell off his chair because nice girls didn't do things like that then. and I did, it was topless. It was before pubic hair was invented. So it was very artistic, if anything. Not really, but the photographer was really sweet. He had a new kid, and he was just like, you know, and I wore a wig my mother had given me for my birthday. Were you trying to hide? No, it's just I had short hair, and I still have short hair, and I just thought it was more sexier, so I don't know. But it ended up in Mayfair, and then I started shooting for Sun, and then I met a photographer, David Hearn, who was quite a famous reportage photographer, and he said, for heaven's sake, keep your clothes on. And he gave me a job, a fashion job. Well, you're stunningly beautiful. You always have been. I don't have a great, you know, never had great tits. I had short legs, but I kind of knew how to move. That's really what... Which is super important. Yeah, it's like dancing. You've got to kind of flow. You can make anything of your body if you know what to do with it. Absolutely, and any type of body can be incredibly sexy. It doesn't matter what size or shape you are. Yeah, you can make it work, but if you're scared stiff... It's not going to work at all. Or if you're a moving target, right? Yeah. And that's why I found with the male photographers, they didn't know how to make you feel comfortable. No, it was always kind of... They say, oh, do something, would you? Like what? I'm scared. What am I supposed to do? And then you get stiff and your shoulders go up by your ears and your arms are all straight. It's okay, I'll give you a blow job. That'll relax me. Did you ever blow any of the photographers that shot you? Oh, probably. It was the 60s. I was practicing. I was never very good at it. Seriously? You weren't a good... You're not good at giving blood? Oh, God. What a bore. Oh, I love to suck dick. Oh, you do? You must come around more often. Yeah. That's one of my favorite things to do. Really? It's one of the things that if... Because guys, a lot of times I find, don't know how to warm a woman up. Just like a photographer doesn't. Yeah. A man in general doesn't always know what to do first. And they think if they spit on their hand and put it on your pussy, you're ready to go. Just because... No, no. I want some stimulation. And one of the things that I do that gets my pussy wetter than anything is to suck dick. Oh, good for you. And I've always been that way. I've been a big cocksucker my entire life. I have. What about you, Nancy? Well, I'm in a relationship with someone right now that I absolutely... The cleanest guy does the male grooming. And it's just such an inviting erogenous zone right there for me as well. And I mean, to do that to him, you know, turn it into 69 and make it, you know, a little bit of a mutual, I think is wonderful, you know? So I'm very much into it too. You're into dick sucking? I'm just now getting into 69. I think it's one of the most overrated positions ever. Oh, yeah, when you can just like smother them and grind your face, you know, grind into their face and enjoy. I'm not that smart. I can't focus on two things at one time. Shut them up. Why not, right? Absolutely. Now, the problem with that, is what I'm going to do, I'm going to plop my pussy on your face. Oh, would you? And I would love to. Oh, thank you. All of this time, and we've never done that. But I would love to plop my pussy on your face. But the problem is, then I'm not going to eat your pussy or suck your dick because I'm going to be enjoying the pleasure back here. And I can't do... You can't use both ends separately. No, I'm... See, you're not a horse rider. If you were a horse rider, you'd be able to connect separate parts of your body. Oh, see? That's my problem. I can't walk and chew gum. I really... You know that. I'm one of the most uncoordinated people you've ever met in your life. No, that's not true. That's not true. So we met back in 1983. Did we? We did. It was 1983. And do you remember how we met? No. No? You were hysterical. And talking about the difference between men and women and shooting, I had walked into Jim South's office and Stephen Hicks was there. And Stephen wanted to... I know. We just lost him. And Stephen wanted to shoot me for Penthouse. And he said, but I'm leaving for Mexico for two weeks, so I can't do it right now. I'll be back in two weeks. And then you walked in and said, I want to shoot you for Penthouse. And I said, I can't. I'm shooting for Stephen Hicks. And you said, darling, no, you're not. You're shooting for me. Oh, we were such competitors. Yeah. And you shot me for Penthouse and we've been friends ever since. I think you shot me more than any other photographer ever. I love shooting with the same person, you know, because he... You just get better and better and it gets more and more relaxed and, you know, the nerves go away. It makes a big difference. And I always remember you with your little stool that you scooted around in. Oh, yeah, always. Yeah, the garden thing on wheels. The garden thing on wheels. But you gave me... I kept hearing desk. It wasn't a school desk in my head. It was a school desk from all the stories I've heard. No, no, no. It's like the thing you put trash cans on. Oh, okay. With the four wheels. Because then I could be low because then you need to be able to shoot low to make the shot. Yeah. Yeah. And your legs look long. Oh, okay. So you don't want to be, you know, unless you're doing portraits then you come up higher but you don't want to be, you know, if you're high or mid-waist. I knew because I had such short legs. I always made photographers lie on the floor. Oh, because I pictured you on a school desk on wheels. That's someone that never heard of. That's the story. She was in a school desk and she's moving over here and over there. Okay, that room is cleared up. That's pretty cute. Picture that. Picture though. Better than a trash wheel. With all of the women that you've shot over the years, Suze, what do you think the difference is between a woman that's a lady and a woman who's not? Because I'm a slut all day long but I'm still a lady. I think there's, you can be both. Oh, I don't know about the lady thing but I mean, it's just, it's really important to like the person and to shoot with somebody that you can have a relationship with that isn't a total bitch. Is that what you mean? Yeah. Because it's, it doesn't matter how beautiful you are. If you're a total bitch, it's, it's hell. It ruins your day. It's hard for everybody. I see my daughter, Holly, coming back from a shoot. Oh my God. Oh, she was such a pain. Oh wow. You know, because often if they're stupid too, you know, they think that they rule and it's, it's such a cooperative thing. It's making love with the camera and you've got to work together. You do it together. But I never really had much of a problem with bitches. I could usually bully them or make them laugh. Yes, you were very good at that. because I call them names and, because I never remember their names. Call them rude names and kind of. You called me a lot of, what are some of the names that you called girls? Oh, I don't know. Wobbly Gook and. Wobbly Gook. That's not what you want. Wobbly Gook. That sounds like old dude testicles. Not that I, you know, socialize with them any. Do you have a lot of old dude testicles around here? A wobbly gook, right? No, but when I used to do massage therapy and you'd get, you know, some more mature guys, you don't feel that much muscle. It feels like wobbly gook sometimes. The balls? No, their whole body really. The whole package deal, you know? I noticed that, that my man's testicles are starting to drop a little bit. Okay. Sorry, Dick, but they are. They're hanging a little bit. But what I do is I, if I put my tongue on them and I lick them, they go right back up. Well, there you go. I have a solution. I have, I think there's a solution for every problem. Yeah, there is. You've got it. Yeah, I'm not going to turn into a Hoover for old farts. I don't think so. No, no, the only, I'll be sucking old dick when my man gets old. There you go. That's a good philosophy. I know you've been with him for a while. Well, you've known me, like I said, since, 31 years. Wow. And this is the longest relationship by far I've ever been in. That's wonderful. It's the healthiest relationship I've ever been in. You have to have a partner, somebody who cares about you. You really do. Is that how you got through all of the years of shooting and directing? Because you not only shot beautiful women for many of the men's magazines, if not all of them, but you also, you directed me in a couple of movies. Yeah, I did some movies, but then I stopped doing it because I always made too much noise. You know? I was like, I'm like a cheerleader. Yeah, faster, deeper, harder. Shut up, Suze. Sounds on. One of my favorite memories of shooting with you was, I don't know if you remember this, but Jamie Gillis, we were shooting something for Swedish Erotica and we were on a big bed and Jamie was, we were in spoon position and you were directing, you were shooting and Jamie slipped, it was the first time I met him and he slipped his dick in my ass and I didn't know what to do. I thought you were going to be in the middle of a scene and he was really mad at me. So I was like, what are those? What? Okay, I don't want to piss off Suze. I don't know one way from another. So you got an anal synatomy without anything extra. Without having to pay for it. Absolutely. Did you sleep with any of your models? Not many. You got to think about that. I think Tracy Lord raped me once. I think she raped everybody once. Yeah. Down in Mexico but I can't remember. No, it's very inconvenient if you, you know, it's really intrusive in the relationship if you sleep with models. Yeah. I don't find that. It mixes the business with pleasure sometimes. You know what I found that I've done is I've shot models. I have an auction site now and I've taken a lot of your tips and I've had people say you remind me of Suze when I'm shooting. And what I do, what I do is I shoot girls in sexy lingerie. They're lingerie that they wore in films and then they put it up on my auction site and people can take home a piece of their favorite star's panties or bras or lingerie. And what was my point here? Your point was that they can take home Or sleeping with models. Oh, sleeping with models. Yes. Thank you, Suze. Remember? Yes. I forgot already. That's how memorable it is. No, but no. But what I found that I've done with a lot of the models is I'll shoot them and then call them later and say, you know what? If you'd like to hook up with me and my man, we're available. And one of the girls that I've shot about nine times came back over today and it was funny because the last time I saw her we slept together and so I didn't know if it was going to be different or weird and she was sitting there just spreading her legs and she's like, don't you want to get it wet for me? Don't you want to be my fluff girl? Your fluff girl. And she's 23 years old. It's this beautiful little Dillian Harper and the whole time she's just going, I want, you know, because at first I said, can you get your pussy wet? I just need a little bit of juice on there and she said, no, but you can. So I've slept with probably a dozen or so of my models. No, I mean, I had a family. I kept my business and my family. I mean, we went through the 60s and the swinging 60s and played, but then once I got into business and I had a family, kept those lives separate. I don't know how you did with all those I didn't mix. I didn't mix. I don't know. I don't mix with. You don't mix business with pleasure? No. No, but we've always had a good time together. We've never had sex together, but we've formed a bond and a friendship. Yeah. Well, those days, yeah, I mean, I was pretty close to you and Amber. Yeah. Yeah. And Tracy. And Tracy. You've got to throw her there. She was such a big part of our lives. She really was. She was huge. I was actually very fond of her. I mean, she was hotter in real life than she was on film. And a lot of people are. She loved sex. Oh, yeah. We went down to Cabo and that's the only time I ever got a sunrise photo shoot because I couldn't find her and she was on the beach fucking some guy. So I went down and shot her. That's funny. With the guy? Yeah. I can't remember. I can't remember if it was with the guy or he was already limp and it was her on her own. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. It was probably her on her own. But yeah, she was in real life. I mean, she couldn't keep her hands off anybody. No, she was one of the most sexual people that I've ever met. Really? Really? And truly, I remember working on a film called Kinky Business with her and we were done shooting and she had to shot her scenes. I had done my scenes for the day and she took the entire crew on on the diving board. She just fucked everybody and it was one of those things where you're standing there going, oh my God, that is the coolest thing I've ever seen. And the guys were just lined up and she just... She was amazing, actually. You'd walk into a restaurant and people would clap. They could just feel that aura. She had more sexual energy. But on film, I mean, it's still something, yes, but actually on, you know, film, film, in movies, I don't think she had that charisma compared to what she had in real life. I don't think so either and I think the thing is when she came on, because we did probably a half a dozen scenes together. Because we didn't realize she was so young. We had no idea. Yeah. Because she was so hot. She was so aggressive sexually that you would never have thought that she was underage. No. I mean, she'd be, she scared the shit out of Buck Henry. We had dinner once and she's grabbing his balls under the table. I mean, he's going, oh, oh, oh. I mean, she couldn't keep her hands off anybody. She was amazing. Except for me. Yeah, well, I don't think she liked girls very much. She was very competitive. Yeah, no, I remember that when we did scenes Very competitive. together. She liked me because I was older and you know. There was no competition. No, no, no, no. So it wasn't just me. It was, she just didn't care for women in general. No, she didn't like girls. No. No, because I remember that she, whenever we do a scene together, it became kind of a grudge fuck. Yeah. A grudge fuck. There was more of, yeah, the scenes were hot, but it wasn't real sex. It was, it was just, I'm going to, I'm going to out fuck you. Yeah. Oh. And, and we out fucked each other in about six movies. One of them for you, Suze, Miss Passions. Oh, yeah. Which we had to shred half of it. Yeah. Oh, that's right. Yeah. What would you do with most of it after that? We shredded it. Yeah. Which is unfortunate because that was a great film. Yeah. I've still got the box cover. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. Suze, we're going to be talking about how to go down, how to get your man to go down on you. Do you have any secrets? Oh, no, don't ask me. Come on. I'm not interested. I'm into, horses and, horses? No, I'm not interested in. How do you get your horses in the mood? Bestiality, that's the thing. No, no, bestiality. Like, do you, do you have to, do you run a stud out and do you like have more, do you have more horses? Like, do you, do you breed them? I was breeding them, yeah. So how do they, is it just, it's nature or do you have to do something, throw something into their food or something to get them? Get them to breed. No, you just got to cross your legs and hope for the best. Hope for, oh, okay. I thought you might have a tip that might help us incorporate it into dating. Peanut butter. Stevie, come on. Oh my gosh. Actually, I am, we're going into a spot. I had a couple of questions. I was curious, did you start in adult? Because, I asked this because. Now what's he getting? Uh oh, Stevie's got memorabilia. I ripped my room apart last night looking for this because I knew I had it. Yeah, yeah. Elvira. And it's an Elvira poster that I have had since like 1987. So, I knew of your work before I discovered you in adult. Oh really? So, I was mixing the two I think at the time. I mean, you know, people would hire me because they thought, you know, it's such an advantage being a woman. And they say, oh wow, this woman's shooting sexy pictures. So they would, you know, usually the art director or something would be a perv. Like, Robert, typical, right? Oh God. But it can't be too. Rock stars hired me too. You had that style, just like that kind of thing. You had a bit of camp to you too. So I know I gravitated towards that and so much style. So I did straight stuff, but you know, that's a fucking drag because you've got agents and, you know, a lot of red tape. Managers and everybody's surrounding and you've got no, you know, you just, it's like a cog in the wheel. Wow. And you're sitting around, especially with rock stars. Was it Robert Palmer? I can't remember his name. Robert Palmer, yeah, from, Is that the one I shot? Did that turn you on or, did Robert Palmer take his love? No, the four girls that look alike in the background. Oh, I remember that song. I can't remember, but, you know, you're sitting around waiting for the drunk rock star to come and be ready for their portraits. Right. It's kind of tedious. You kind of, you've got no, no control. You're just, you're very small on the picture. Whereas in adult, you're running it and you can keep a really small crew and you can communicate with the models and, you know, makeup artists can't talk. I don't want any art directors. I don't want any shit in the background. It's got to just be the camera and the model. So, that's the nice thing about adult. You are always able to bring out the best in everybody. You rule. Yes, absolutely. I have like, Stevie, Stevie, I'm curious here. Just first, first thoughts. I'm going to hand you a picture and just your first thoughts and memories that come back to you. God, I've got old times. I'll hand you the first one. Okay. And the camera's over here in the corner. Aw, Ginger. Oh, is it me? Oh, I want to see too. I'll hold it up to the camera. Hold it up so we can see it. What we have here is, Oh my goodness. What is this? This is a Polaroid. Let's tell this, this digital world how you worked as a photographer. Is that a Polaroid? That's a Polaroid. That's your test shot. Wow. That's a test shot. Wow. And, um, Where did you, is that from my, my collection? This was the one that I got for you. It was like, my coveted piece that I got for you. I was like, Oh my gosh. Because I was like, telling everybody, I'm like, I want to meet Suze Randall. I want to meet Suze. And then I saw Holly and I'm like, when's your mom coming out? She goes, probably never. And I'm like, oh great. I'm never going to meet your mom. So, I was like. I coerced you. I got you to come today, which I want to thank you so much for being here. Oh no, I'm so glad you got me out off, off the, off the hill. And with this, I looked at everything. I looked at how, the curtains, I looked at your light pack. I don't know if that was Speedotron. I was looking. I'm so, so into draping. Lots of draping. My kiss teased me. Well, it's just, it makes things. Because you look at some of the backgrounds now and, you know, a lot of it is just quick, quick, easy, boring. Well, it's so difficult now. I mean, you know, you've got to deliver so much material in such a short period of time. When I shoot, even when I still shoot, I mean, I do still shoot, occasionally, although I just lost my fucking eye. So, I'm not shooting at the moment. You look like a pirate. Yeah, I am a pirate. And it's not my right eye, so that's okay. But, when I do shoot, I like to, it's the old playboy tradition that Marilyn Gromowski, got me into. I like to prepare the sets and drape and take what I have and fiddle the diddle and, you know, work with, it takes me a week sometimes to put a set together. Oh, wow. So, that doesn't work in this digital day and age. I mean, Holly's doing eight shoots in one day or something. What? Wow. Probably not that much. But she does great quality, but she's got to go on location where, you know, building the set is just too. You can't shoot like that anymore. It's a nightmare. Yeah. And she makes, she works ten times as hard as I did and makes so much less money. It's ridiculous because it's just full of shit right now out there. Well, there's just so much. Yeah. There's so much and there's so little quality. Yeah. So little quality. I was lucky because it was frowned upon and nobody else wanted to do it so you could be top of the mole hill, you know? Nobody else wanted to shoot porn? No. It was disgusting. Yeah, the set is beautiful. Do you remember this? I heard. Do you remember? What are your thoughts? Is there something you guys remember from this shoot? There's the harp, there's the little naked Michael. There's like, there's the draping, there's makeup at the edge of the bed. Who was my, because I probably had a stylist would have. Jenny, I think was your stylist for this one. Jenny, Aussie Jenny. Aussie Jenny. Aussie Jenny. Oh, I still contact her occasionally. How is she? I think she's well. I mean, I see her on Facebook. I see her on Facebook or something. She's doing a clothing line. That's right. Is she really? Yeah. I would, I would love to find out her Facebook or whatever she is so that I. I'll look for it. Yeah. Jenny Jazz. That's right. Jenny Jazz. Yeah. What I remember about this shoot was you, I had brought clothing and I always brought clothes to the set and you, you had, you yelled at me and you said that I looked better without anything on at all and all you did was gave me robes or pieces of cloth to drape over my body. So you've got a great, great, look at those great boobs. I loved it because I got teleported into the studio because so many people, I mean, was it Bob Vesey? I haven't gotten to meet everybody because everyone's disappearing now and I, and I don't know if they're archived. It's artwork. I didn't know if you had a, if you were going to come out with a book and there was. Oh, I have some somewhere or something. I don't know. A book, I mean, of your work. Yeah, I have. Of your photography? Somebody did, yes. I don't know. I didn't look at it. Okay. You know? I was going to get your autobiography. I'm still hunting it down. Oh, well, the Kiss and Tell, oh, that's embarrassing. That's what you've said. Now, I've been thinking about writing a Kiss and Tell book. Well, you, I think your Kiss and Tell would be really interesting. But I don't know if it's, I have an 18-year-old son and I don't know if it's time right now because with him, he's had a really difficult time in high school with, you know, he chose it and I sent him to an all-boys Catholic school and yeah. Well, you know, the Christians are real pervs, though. It should have gone down well. Well, it took about two days before everybody in the entire school to know whose mom was. One person went. Didn't that do him good, though? My kids always, because my kids always, you know, we were always really open about it. So they used it to their advantage. Yeah, my son, you know what? Oh, is he too shy or something? He's very, very, very protective of mom. He's extremely because I've raised him on my own and his father owns one of the biggest adult film companies in the world. So what's funny, what's ironic, what's disgusting is that he will brag about his father who is, who spent in entirety maybe a dozen days with him since he's been born. I believe it. And, but it's kind of cool when your dad owns the biggest porn company in the world. But when your mom is a cocksucker, it's a whole different deal. Well, it's embarrassing. It's embarrassing. Yeah. So he got in a lot of fights. He got in a lot of fights. So we switched him to a different school and now he's at, he's got, everything is great. He's in the right place for him. But it was, it was really difficult. So if I were to write a book at this point in time, Why'd you wait? I'm thinking I'm going to wait until he goes off to college and he's out of college. I'm not going anywhere. My experiences aren't going anywhere. My stories aren't going anywhere. I remember one of the times I came to your house and you had a party and you had many parties and I remember kissing everyone at your party. Every single person at the party. I was the official greeter and then you invited me to every party after the official greeter. Didn't she make out with Donald Campbell's girlfriend under the table? I had sex with her. Yeah. Gene, that's right. Gina, yes. Yeah, I remember we were having dinner and they're on the table. They're on the table. Oh my gosh. Oh, what good manners. See, I felt so bad about that. But the thing was I'm sitting next to her and Donald is English and his girlfriend was this wonderful little Asian girl and she starts playing with my leg under the table and we're at dinner and it's at Susan's house in the dining room and there's probably ten people there and so she's sliding her hand up and up and up and it's close to my, my pussy and I didn't know what to do and so she started to go down on me. She climbed under the table. She's so tiny. She makes you look tall. I know and I'm five two. So she climbed under the table and started giving me head and so my thought was well, I don't want to be rude and have an orgasm. No, so I went under the table instead of just sitting there having my orgasm while everyone was eating. It's better than small talk. Oh, well, and then the funny thing that happened after that was, I, I had set up a weekend with Donald and Gina. Oh, I bet. And I was to meet them at some trendy club in, in, in Hollywood on Sunset Boulevard and so I get to the bar and there's Donald sitting there and I go up and I sit down and I'm talking about the night before and I'm like, I can't believe we did that at Suze's house and Tina was amazing and where's Tina? And he says, oh, she'll be here in a few minutes. So we basically recreate and talk about the entire evening what had happened the night before and the pussy eating and the dinner and the whole thing and, and probably a half an hour into our conversation in walks Tina and she walks up and she gives me a big kiss and she says, who's your friend? It wasn't Donald. I just shared the entire experience with some guy who just went along with my story. Oh, lovely. Oh, that is very funny. That is funny. That is really, that's a great scene. It was, I mean, that's funny. The whole thing was just unbelievable and then I ended up going back and I spent three days at their house. And there was one morning I was in bed with Donald. I had my finger up his ass. There you go. And Tina comes in and starts tap dancing. She's got on a little hat and she's got a little, her little tap shoes and she's got a cane and she's doing this whole little show for us and then she tap dances out and she comes back and she tap dances in and she brings us breakfast in bed. I'm still, I'm in bed with Donald still getting it on with him and she's bringing us food and I was on my back and Tina got on top of me to do 69 and I was like, and sat on my face, leaned over onto my pussy and peed in my mouth. I bet. And I was in, and this, she was. Before you ate or after? It was after breakfast. There you go, a little face wash. This is important. A little face wash after breakfast. Oh, so that was my first pee pee experience and Donald was, because I screamed and Donald, without missing a beat, he said, Tina, Tina, don't, don't pee in her mouth so early. Don't pee in her mouth so early in the morning. Oh, God. Wow. I haven't, oh, God, that, we have to take, I have another, I have another, I know you're gonna take, we're gonna take a break. Let's take a quick break. You're listening to Blame It On Ginger. If you want to give us a call, our phone number is 1-800-893-9562. We've got Suze Randall in studio. We've got Nancy Monroe. We've got Stevie. And we've got me. We will be right back on Blame It On Ginger. Oh, Blame It On Ginger. That's good. That. That's good. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We are back at Blame It on Ginger. I am Ginger Lynn. We are having a party here in the studio today. Having a great time. We've got me and next to me is... Nancy Monroe. Nancy Monroe with that sultry, sexy voice. Dr. Nancy Monroe. Nancy, our sexual guru here. Yeah. And then, of course, over in the corner, we have who? Stevie! Stevie! And our special honored guest, Suze Randall. Hey. My voice is changing. You are one of my favorite people that I've ever met in my life. And I don't know how, if you have any idea, the impact that you had on me growing up and getting into the business and just being a woman, you taught me how to take care of myself, how to incorporate. You taught me to be a businesswoman. You taught me all of these lessons that I've taken with me in my life. And you're not that much older than me, but you came into my life when I was very young, very impressionable, brand new from Illinois. And you really guided me through a lot of things. And I don't think I would be as successful or have my shit together nearly as much today as I do if it wasn't for you. So I want to thank you for that. That's so sweet. Aw. Aw. It's very, very true. Make me cry. Do you see many of the girls from the business anymore? Nope. No? No. No, but I never, you know, I never did. I don't go to, there's nothing more boring than an adult party, you know. A bunch of pornographers, boy, are they dull. They really, it's amazing. It's true. It's true. So I never, it never got involved with the whole adult lifestyle or the whole, you know. The events, going to Vegas and all that crap. I mean, I used to go if I had to, but I don't like it. I'm kind of, I'm like the wallflower when I go to parties a lot of times, except if I'm comfortable. And as you were saying with models, that once you're with them and you get to know each other, you establish some sort of a relationship and a friendship and a rapport between each other. And I think that that carried over into our friendship. I think in the old days, too, because we shot, we shot so often. We did. We had more of a relationship, whereas as the whole business expanded, everybody wanted a new girl, you know. But I loved it when we just shot favorites. How were the shoots? They were epic shoots where you took everybody down to Mexico. I mean, what kind of... Production size? What kind of, yeah, like production size, like budgets you had in time. Were you there for two weeks, three weeks in Mexico shooting? Yeah, I mean, you'd be spending three days just on one, like Penthouse centerfold. Whereas now they're lucky if they spend half a day. And was that four hours a day or eight hours a day? Exactly. It would be long days. We would get up when the sun rose. Yeah. Suze was up when the sun rose and we would... I'd be out on a rock in the middle of the water with like water splashing up into my cooch, getting my first douche of the day without even expecting it. But we would start early in the morning and go long days. Early light and also the late light. And the late light. Yeah. The late light. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was always hard work. I mean, you know, you're there to work. It's not party time, really. That is an added bonus. That was an added bonus. I think I'm the only gringo to ever be kicked out of... I remember where we used to shoot that hotel. I don't remember the name of it, but it's not there anymore. Oh, really? In Cabo? In Cabo. They've redone it to something different. Oh, I know the one you mean. Yeah, the one that... I used to stay in the room with the rock wall. That was the back wall. And I got kicked out of the bar there one night for dancing naked on the bar. They frowned upon that there. But while you were being professional, we were all fucking when we were off the camera. Yeah. Because you used to bring... I remember on shoots, there was one time that we had... Oh, God, who was it? It was the Vivid Girl, not... It was Jamie Summers. The brat. The brat. God, I don't remember. And it was you and me and Peter North. And Jamie the brat. And you brought down probably... There were at least six of us that you brought down that trip. And we all fucked all the time. And Jamie and I, we were grudge fucking. Did you find that a lot of the models had trouble with other models? Well, that's normal. You know, girls get very, very competitive. See, I always liked girls. No, but you like, you know, anybody who opens their legs. You know. Yeah. There's a... I'm curious about... Uh-oh, Stevie's got more goodies for you. I got another thing to pull. Okay. So now you know what Stevie does when you're chilling out at home. He goes through all your stuff. He does. I go shopping. I have these moments where I go and I pick my favorite stuff. And then I can go... There's a box set aside. It's like things that I absolutely love. Because that's how I ended up getting in the industry. I would look at Vivid boxes. And, you know, wanted to get on a shoot. And I just studied all that. Because you wanted the boxes to be better than Vivid was shooting. Because they didn't hire good photographers. There you go. I know. That's how that... I could never get in. I never got on with Vivid. Oh, no. And on catfights on that. Oh, my. Nobody gets on with Vivid. Who? I almost invited Tracy to be on the show. Can you imagine that? Oh, for sure. On this show? Oh, my God. I would love her. I know, Tracy. That's why I was like... You're sure? No, I can't. Because you guys will fight. Oh, no. Oh, no. No, I would love to have her. I would love to have Tracy on the show. I'll come back. I would absolutely... I loved that girl. If we could get her on. You know what? She might... The only way that I could think that she would even consider doing it is if she had you here as well as kind of referee. Because for some reason, she's just still got this thing going on. How many years ago did we do that? Yeah, but I'm not sure that she's that fond of me anymore. I don't know. When all that trouble erupted, you know, we lost... I have to get you to fill out a 2257 because of her. What? Say I'm of age. Yeah. Here, this is why. Because I'm going to pop a titty out. There you go. There we go. Now you've got to do a 2257 because I've got my titty out. That was one thing. Look at how big my titties got. They're huge. I know. They grew. We were just commenting that they look more like a D. Yeah, I'm thinking they're a D cup now. They're just big, full titties. Tell me the importance of this. On a photo shoot, this tool. Stevie has pulled out a Q-tip. And I don't know. I don't think we'll be able to have you demonstrate this today. No, absolutely not. But you can tell us about it. Wait, we're not talking a regular shoot, like an erotic shoot? Yes, I asked Tara Patrick, who we just recently had over for you. I'm not a big... And she told a story about Suze Randall and the Q-tip. Oh, but she's a liar, you know. Oh, she's a liar? Yeah, she's such a liar. This isn't true. Oh, I'm not into Q-tips. No, Tara... No, but what you used to do was use... You used to use the Q-tips to put oil on our pussies. You used to put... Yeah, maybe. I mean, at the beginning of the days with Hustler, we even tried gluing the pussy back. Gluing the lips back? Gluing it? What the spirit, guys? A little crazy glue? It didn't work very well. A little crazy glue there. Every time I look at Q-tips, I'm like, oh, Suze would use this. Oh, Tara. I open everything up. Well, if you think of it, it's like when you... Wait, I want to hear the Tara's a liar story. Oh, God. No, I mean, she's a great girl and everything, but she wouldn't know the truth if she looked it in the mirror. Have you read her book? No. I haven't either. I've got a copy of it. I haven't either. Stevie? I'm going through it. I'm reading, right? I'm just learning about her modeling days at like 15, going to Tokyo to model and her dad letting her go model and how she got involved and the alcohol. And everything at a very young age. I never read it. Did she... Does she say in the book that she was a nurse? I haven't gotten that far yet. That was her story when she got into modeling. Oh, that she was a nurse. Oh. I'm not sure. I think she was on night duty. I've met a nurse once. Does that count? I was a nurse once. Or I was treated by a nurse. I was treated by a nurse. Yes. I don't know. She's... I don't remember why I'm so... She was Oterra? Yeah. Why I'm so annoyed with her. Oh, we'll move on. You know who I worked with? I can't remember. But anyway. And you did a gorgeous shoot with was Savannah on like the ice. Oh. With the ice. Oh. But with... You as a photographer, what comes to mind? Do you remember this shoot? I'm not sure. I thought there might be a story somewhere here. But you know, Stevie, I mean, I'm not in the adult industry. I'm not scared. I'm not scared. And I look at these photos. And to me, this is like artwork. It's beautiful. It really is. Yeah. They were classy. Everything was gorgeous. Beautiful. The human form, the way it's portrayed. Like, you know, I'm a woman. I'm a goddess. It's beautiful. We spend a lot of time. And I had a wonderful photo assistant. Because I really didn't know what the fuck I'm doing. I'm just good at... You have a good eye. Have a good eye and good modeling. You're modeling with a model. But I had David Hines, who was my... My photo assistant, who was brilliant lighting-wise. The only reason I had him was because he had a drug problem. Oh. Otherwise, he would have been top of the world. Interesting. And whatever he did, he came from a really... Conservative? Well, his brother ran the school district. And his uncle, you know, a very big-time family. But he was, you know, the black sheep. And I used to get him up in the morning and make him go to work. And work him all day. I remember David. He was... David was wonderful. I bet you he thinks of you now. Oh, he's dead. Oh, is he? I'm sorry to hear that. Is David dead? Yeah. Did he overdose? Yeah. Oh, that's so sad. It is sad. I think of him a lot. That's so sad. But he was amazing. And the only reason I got him was because he had problems. He had problems. Otherwise, he would have been a top photographer. So I was... I'm really good at getting good people into my camp. Yeah. And keeping them under my thumb and making them work. This is another Polaroid that Stevie has pulled out. This is from another Polaroid. And I don't know if you remember that we had a contract that you and I did together with High Society for a couple of years. Oh, this is beautiful. You shot me almost every month for them. The lighting in this one's gorgeous. It just makes you glow almost. Wasn't it High Society? Probably. Was it Club? Or maybe it was... No, I don't think I ever had a... I don't think I had a contract with them. No, I wrote a column for the magazine. I wrote a column for the magazine every month. And then you would shoot most of the photos and went along with it. Yeah, I think it would have been High Society. I had a good relationship on and off over the years. You know, Steve LoCiaro isn't there anymore. Oh, he's not? No, I haven't been able to find him. You know who I haven't seen in forever is Ed Holzman. Were you ever friends with Ed? I'm trying to remember who the fuck he was. He was my boyfriend for five years. I remember the name. I love your honesty, Sue. I don't remember who the fuck he was. Was he a competitor of mine? Yes. Oh, that's why I don't remember. I mean, I hated all other photographers. Did you really? See, I can't meet other photographers. Because of that, it's hard to have friends that are photographers. No, because they're off to your job. Because I'll meet somebody and they hate you. And it's like... But I'm thinking in a social thing. I'm like, I need to hang out with people I know and talk, you know, can talk about... Oh my gosh, I did this, I did that. I didn't know you did photography, Stevie. I did that. Had this shoot. How was your shoot today? Oh, I didn't know that. I love to shoot, but yeah. He's fantastic. I bet you're good with models too. Yeah. Well, he is. He likes Garways. You can tell. Ventura. He's really good with models. We shoot at least twice a week at my house for my auction site. And Stevie is the photographer that we just take these shots, or he takes these shots. And it reminds me of you where you were able to get the best out of the models. Stevie is really good at that. Well, I got into... I don't know why you got into the photography. I mean, you were a model first, but I was so shy that I couldn't talk to people. So I brought the camera. Photography is much better. I got into photography because being a model sucks. In which way? Yeah, especially if you're doing fashion. You know, one minute they think you're hot, and the next minute, oh, somebody else, please. I mean, they're just so rude. Oh, give me a blowjob, and maybe I'll give you a job. I mean, it's horrible. Yeah. It's awful. And you have no control, absolutely no control over your destiny. So that's when I started... I actually bought a camera because I wanted to be a model. I wanted to be a model. I wanted to be a model. I wanted to be a model. I wanted to be a model. I wanted to be a model. I wanted to be a model. I wanted to be a model. But it was in vogue and I thought I was going to be a very famous model. But when the pictures came out, nobody recognized me. They thought I was Annies Schellfest because she cut her hair short. So it didn't do me any good and I bought a camera because I was so high on myself. So I started shooting my girlfriends in the fashion shows and things. I shot Jerry Hall, actually, and sold it to the Sun magazine... Sun newspaper... Did you really? Wow! Oh my goodness... But it's just... But it's just... For page three? Okay. Oh. It was kind of wild those days, you know, the 60s. And also being a woman is a huge advantage. As a photographer? Yeah. I mean, the guys, I don't blame them for being pissed off because, you know, I came over from England to Playboy only because they wanted my model. And then they tried to get rid of me. Oh, Suze, it's too hard to shoot nudes and food. They're really difficult. Come back another time. And I just had to tell them, oh, I'm awfully sorry, I'll have to sell my pictures to Penthouse then. Oh, dear. Oh, all right, then we'll give you a chance. And I worked for them for three years. I mean, being a woman, if you've got balls and you can work as hard as a guy or harder and you can play the guys off against each other, because you're cute when you're young. Right. You're still cute. No, I'm not. She is still very young. You're adorable. You're feisty and fun. Yeah, and all the other male photographers would be dogs that belong to Larry Flint or to Hugh Hefner or, you know, or Penthouse. They never worked for anybody else. And I was always fighting with everybody. So, I mean, sometimes nobody would work with me because I pissed them off so much. But I was always playing them off against each other. And in the end, I ended up owning most of my pictures. And then the internet came along and I, boom, was really lucky. What is your website? Suze.net. I'm just trying to remember. Suze.net. Now, do you have a collection of all of your photographs that you've taken over? Everything. Everything is on Suze.net. Yeah, and actually we just, because I don't shoot that much anymore, but we've gone back to all the old videos and everything. That were really small. And we're enlarging them. Some of the classics, you know, I did way back then. Right. And we're making them bigger so that they'll be... Like a Suze. That was centerfolds. Suze's centerfolds. I remember that. That was in my backyard in Mar Vista. I had a daylight studio. Yes, it was. I remember that very well. I have a studio, you know, a daylight studio if you ever want to use it. In a heartbeat. Oh, wow. I just want to do a portrait of you with horses. Look how excited. He is. No, but it's a daylight studio. It's really nice and I never use it because... Can I bring ginger? Now, for those of us who aren't into photography as an art form, a daylight studio is what? With natural light? Well, it's just... It's open on top? Is it? No, it's not open, but it's glass. Oh, okay. With diffusion. Okay. And you can also black it out. Oh, okay. So it actually came from Louis Magazine, James Bay's and everything. They did... So you get the top soft light, and then you get the top soft light, and then you get the top soft light, that bounces all around, and then you put maybe a tungsten light just in the foreground or a spot. Oh, that sounds cool. Just fill. It's really beautiful. I bet. Wow. All right, Stevie, so we're going to have to see you in action. Oh, my goodness. On the other side, too naughty to say no with Angel. That's a good one. Yeah. Look how innocent you look. Look, you look just the same. She does. She has the same innocent face. I look like an innocent girl, but I'm not. I'm not. What do you remember, if anything, about Angel? She was kind of shy. She was kind of bitchy, and she stole my stuff on that shoot. I had this little hot pink fishnet top, and it was in my wardrobe bag, and all of a sudden, I was in makeup, and I'm looking over, and she's wearing my top, and I said, what are you doing? She goes, well, I like it, so I took it. That's okay. She'll be arrested in Cleveland. He'll catch her in Cleveland. Cleveland, with the underboob showing. These are all of your shots. Now, Suze, you shot both Amber, Lynn, and Ginger Lynn many times. Yeah. Yeah, the color is great. And you're one of the few people that shot us together. I think this may be the only... You can see I've got her on a stool. Yes, I'm... Amber's got about six inches on me. Yeah. And in this photo, I look taller than Amber. That was to cover some kind of a woman. Yeah. And I have a tiny little head. I have an abnormally small head, so next time... But you had big hair, so it looks nice. Amber's got a huge head. It looks nice. That was the 80s hair. Yeah. That's big hair. Yeah. Stevie, you're really going down memory lane here. Good call on bringing in all of these. He really went on a discovery there with your stuff. But the hair's not as big as it is here. Oh, my God. Well, that's a different big. That's great. That was Miss Passion. That was the re... That was the relaunch of it without Tracy on the cover. Oh, that's right. I haven't seen that one. Did you get that from me? No. This has been in my collection for a long time. Oh, wow. I've never seen that one. We're looking at... You had to go through... You went through everything. I'm trying to get the whole ginger collection, so... Oh, you know what? Let me see. See how important makeup and hair are? Yeah. Totally different look. I mean, look at that hair. That's bloody amazing. I mean, lighting and makeup and the model feeling good about herself. That's all you need. Oh, yeah. You are always amazing at making the models feel good about themselves. And it does make a difference when you're comfortable with a photographer or not. Totally. Oh, absolutely. Totally. It changes the expression right away on your face. Yeah, just your muscle tone, you know, because the relaxation... Oh, that's beautiful. Yeah, that's a really nice shot. I remember shooting this... Was that your real hair? That's my real hair. Wow. Yes. You must do your hair like that more often, Ginger. Well, I was gonna dress up today. I am lazy. I am lazy. I look like it is. Yesterday, I dressed up for Halloween. Yesterday, I had my hair up in pigtails. I had freckles all over. I had a little girl outfit on. I was gonna wear my diva outfit today, but I shot this morning. And as I was shooting, I was actually thinking of you. I'm going, how would Suze do this? How would... It's... And I wasn't sure if I was supposed to go. I didn't show up because I was like, well, you know, you could show up tomorrow if you want. And I was like, oh, does that mean I don't show up? Does that kind of like, you know, you should do what you want. Don't get shy. I wasn't sure what to do. What he was concerned about is he knows that the last time I saw my model today was the last time was when I had sex with her. So he wasn't sure if we were gonna have sex or not again. So I was this whole morning, I was like, should I go or should I not go? Well, I'm like, okay, should I go? No, I should go. No, should I text? No. Should I go? I didn't know. You know what's funny is I found we didn't have sex, although I did lick her pussy. Does that count? Is that sex? Just a good introduction. Good way. Exactly. It's your way of shaking hands. It really is my way of shaking hands. And I have found that there's not, I don't have a problem if I've slept with a model. I've slept with, like I said, probably a dozen of them. And it's... I'm sure it's more than that. Probably. A dozen a week. Don't be conservative. And I'm still that way. You would think that as I get a little older, I would mellow out a little bit. But no, it's gotten worse. It's gotten worse. Yeah, that's great. That's just part of what you are. It is who I am. We were talking about that. Remember the male versus the cougar thing? Because women are more into their shell, into their prime when they mature. I think so. I'm much more comfortable with who I am and what I am. And I don't have, I'm not the shy little girl that I used to be. Although, did you ever think I was a shy little girl? I'm trying to think. I think that was before I met you. We're going to take one more quick break. I promise it'll be really short. We've got Suze Randall in the studio. You're listening to Blame It On Ginger. Don't go anywhere. You have to give me a puff of your own. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. Well, she can take it like a champ I wanna be like Ginger Lynn She'll be the world's most famous tramp I wanna be like Ginger Lynn They'll put her picture on a stamp I wanna be like Ginger Lynn A lot of D, a lot of die I wanna be like Ginger Lynn A lot of D, a lot of die I wanna be like Ginger Lynn A lot of D, a lot of die I wanna be like Ginger Lynn A lot of D, a lot of die I'm Ginger Lynn and I'm a very, very lucky girl. Every single Thursday, I'm gonna be bringing you Whores and Horrors with Miss Kelly Nichols. You're gonna get inside, Kelly. You're gonna get to tickle my fancy. Guess what's up Ginger's ass? One of my favorite games. We'll put something up there. Blindfold Kelly. She's gonna get down on her hands and knees and eat it out and see if she can guess what's been up in my butt. We've got queer quote, queer, queer quote, queer quote, queer quote. Mystery X-rated 3000 theater. We've got Gross Out, the horror game. Educating Gina. And Talking Dirty to Me, as well as many, many other things. That's Thursday's Whores and Horrors with Ginger Lynn and Kelly Nichols. . . . . Thank you. Good on Ginger. I am, of course, Ginger Lynn. Thank you so much for being here today. We're having a great time. Awesome time, huh? Yes, we are. Oh, my gosh. Yes, we are. Fascinating topics today. Everything from grooming your vagina the right way to have your man dive into some pleasure and enjoy it yourself, to having Suze here telling us all about her memories down Ginger Lane. And I'm trying to stay up. I know you two have a lot of stories to tell, but I'm just like, okay, she's here. I got to ask questions. I got to ask questions, but I'm waiting for Ginger. He's a really good photographer. I just looked at his stuff. Oh, he's fabulous. Well, I'm going to have to look at it next. He's fabulous. Oh, no, really? Cool. He's my right-hand man. He does. Oh, I'm going to steal him from you. Uh-oh. And he doesn't have a drug habit, so. Oh, that's unfortunate. She keeps the chocolate bowl filled. That is my, chocolate is my drug. There's always chocolate in my house. But, yeah, so I should bite my tongue because I know you guys have a lot. You've got, you're so, you're excited, though. You've got questions, and I can see that you've done a lot of prep work for the show, so you're part of the show, baby. Go ahead and ask what you want to ask. Of course, now I go blank. Do you have, Suze, any Amberlynn stories? Now, there was always the Amberlynn, Gingerlynn, but you know what was funny is that we had no rivalry. Amber and I. Oh, Amber's got a great sense of humor. I've always loved her. She's one of the few people that have stayed in my life over the years. Yeah, I've seen her here and there. AA meetings, I think, that Holly was going to and I went to. But, yeah, my main thing with Amber was I had a studio. Do you remember that studio I had? In Venice? Yeah. Or off of Venice Boulevard? Yeah, really rough. Really rough neighborhood. I remember exactly, yes. Yeah, and I used to shoot you and Amber there, and Amber walked out the door, and there's all the homeless and prostitutes and things. And she said, oh, my God, I feel at home. Oh, that's funny. That's funny. She had a great sense of humor. She was. I miss her. I just saw her at Starbucks. No, she's still around. Yeah, she's very much around. She's very much around. And you know what happened, which was really unfortunate? I was doing a different radio show, and my co-host was not fond of Amber. And my co-host called her grandma. I'm surprised she didn't knock her out. She wasn't there. Oh, Amber wasn't there. Amber wasn't there, but she heard the show. And she's mad at me now because I didn't stand up. I didn't stand up for her. So after 30-something years, she's finally not talking to me right now. I ran into her at a party, and I'm like, sweetheart, you know what? This is silly. And she's like, I don't want to deal with it. So I'm giving her some. But I was one of the few people left. Don't give her any space. Oh. You know, I've done it at least a half a dozen times. And she is just, she's mad that I didn't stand up for her. And with that long of a friendship, it's kind of sad. It's not kind of. It's very sad. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I wanted to take her picture. Yeah, there are hot-looking grandmas out there. Seika tried that. Like, when we sat down at dinner, and Seika's like, you got to have Stevie shoot you. You got to have Seika shoot you. Seika's wonderful. Oh, God, that's going back. You shot Seika and I together. Years ago. Yeah. For the cover of Club, and it'll lay out as well. And I hear. Seika is doing, she's very well. She's in the Midwest. Kansas City, Missouri. Kansas City, Missouri. And she's with Carl, and they're in love, and she's happy, and she's ballsy, and she's wonderful. She's wonderful, and she's. Good businesswoman, that one. She's the Seika that, she's selling her panties on my auction site. I bet. Yeah. She took me for a ride. I was going to say in the street. She took me for a ride around the lake on the tractor. She goes, what do you want to do? You're here. And I said, let's get on the tractor and go around the lake. She goes, kid, you know, you came all the way out here to Kansas City, Missouri to go around the lake on a tractor. I said, yeah, let's go. She goes, all right. Well, that's not something you can do here. Yeah. That's what we did. It was fun. That's cool. Oh, God. Oh, Seika. I remember when you shot me with Seika, and Seika's, she's probably six or seven years older than I am. I'm tall and rather intimidating. And I remember it was the first time that I was with her, and I was petrified. And this was when you were shooting, when we shot stills, when we were doing, we didn't do hardcore. We did one, we did Puritan Magazine. You shot me with five guys, which is the only. Oh, I remember that one. I've never done a gangbang in my life. There's nothing better than five guys. Oh, my God. That's the only gangbang I've ever done in my entire life. And that was for you for Puritan Magazine. The most I've had. I've seen that shoot. Yes. That's a wild shoot. Yeah, it was a good one. But I remember when you were shooting. Only you could keep five guys going at the same time. At one time. Yeah. It was fun. I had one in each hand, one in my mouth, one in my pussy, one in my ass, and I'm juggling, and I'm over here, and I'm over there, and I'm on top of this one, and I'm juggling this one. You must be a champ at Twister. Oh, I'm the best Twister player ever. Ever, ever, ever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, who are we just talking about? We're all over the place. We're talking about Amber, that she's not talking to you. Amber. That's ridiculous. Yeah, maybe you need to give her a call and go, you know, because I still love her. If you give me her phone number. I have her phone number. Life is too short for grudges. It really is. Yeah, you have to make up that day and forget about it. Well, yeah. And anyway, it wasn't your fault anyway. I didn't do anything except keep my mouth shut. I just, because if you're doing a live radio show with somebody, you don't want to fight with your co-host. You don't want to start it on. Yeah. Yeah. You would have if it had been on film. Oh, no. And that's the thing, though, because I didn't know about that, because I was talking, you know, I spoke to her. We talked. She told me about when she lived in Ventura, right off Seaward. Amber's living in Ventura. Oh, no, not now, but when she used to. Oh, really? Years ago. And we sat down. We're talking. Oh, yeah, we should do something. She told me my show's rock and roll. We can talk about it. I was like, yeah, let me think rock and roll. What kind of guest? And she was telling me an idea. And I was like, all right. All right. So we'll shoot something. And I was like, well, you know, I work with Ginger on The Thing. And she kind of like didn't hear that. And I was like, oh, OK. So I don't know anything about that. And I'm like, OK. And then it just didn't dawn on me. And then we were on our way to the awards show. So I was like, oh, we're going to the XRCO awards show. And we're in the car. And Ginger goes, Amber's going to be presenting, too. And I'm like in the backseat. And I'm on my Facebook. And I'm like, oh, let me mention Amber. So I'm like, OK, we're on our way to the XRCO. Ginger won three or four awards at the first one. Amber will be presenting. She'll be presenting, too. And so I get there. And I see Amber. And I just saw her in Vegas with Seika. And I'm just like, hi, Amber. And she totally didn't talk to me. And I'm like, what's going on? She's mad at you now because you're friends with me. And her assistant defriended me, too. You were unfriended? Lord be told, you were unfriended. Then she's silly. What are you going to do? Well, we need you to step in. I'll give you her phone number and just tell her she's being sick. It's been two and a year. So we've had I'm one of the few people that she hasn't pissed off over the years. Amber has as a temper. And she's got a big mouth sometimes. And I've always loved her for that. I loved her for being exactly who she is. And so it's it's it's it makes me really sad to think that we're not friends anymore. It breaks my heart. But back to the Seika story. What I was going to say is that we used to shoot layouts, but they were soft core. You shot me with my boyfriend that I moved out here from Cal from Illinois with. And he couldn't get his dick up. We shot outside. It was a fishing thing. But with Seika, I remember lying there on the inside of her thigh. And I wasn't supposed to. You couldn't shoot hardcore. So I wasn't supposed to touch her pussy. And every time you stop shooting, I would get a little bit closer. A little bit closer. My tongue. And finally, I'm laying. I'm in. I'm like my. I'm on the inside of her. Her thigh right where her pussy is. And I stick my tongue out on her clit. And she just looks down at me and gives me this look. She didn't tell me to stop. She didn't get it. She wasn't into it. She wasn't coming or having an orgasm. She just gave me the look like, all right, that's ginger. She's going to lick my twat whether I want her to or not. Do you have a favorite girl over all of the years? Somebody that really stands out in your mind that you just adore and love? I think Tracy Lourdes was. She was one of your favorites. And you know what? As you said, she had no intimidation. She wasn't intimidated by you. She wasn't fearful of you. Yeah. And I just thought that she was a smart cookie. And the fact that she was underage when it came out, I often wondered who orchestrated that. So have I. She was a smart cookie. Do you think she was smart enough to orchestrate it herself? She definitely was smart enough. She was a smart cookie. I mean, that way all those pictures would have been removed. Anyway, that's just a fantasy I have. Absolutely. And she didn't mean any harm if she did do it. It caused a lot of harm. But you know what it did do? Is it straightened the whole industry up. It was a good thing. Now, you don't have people who are underage. You have to have... I was the only person who had an ID because I'd taken her to England to do a photo shoot for Lamb's Navy Rum, a calendar thing. So I made her get her passport and got it all organized. And nobody else in the industry had an ID on her. And it was a false one. I didn't know that. Right. But so, I mean, what happened with her was probably a good thing. It was good for the business. It kept underage people from getting into it. So they had to toe the line. So it was all good in the end. For those of you who aren't familiar with the Tracy Lord story, I can't believe that you're not familiar with it. But Tracy Lord was one of the most popular actresses in the porno world in the early 80s to mid 80s. And she was underage at the time. But none of us knew it. And it came out in 85, 86 when the Mies Commission came into play. But I remember there were 64 adult film producers that they were trying to go. Tracy had given them a list of people that she had worked for. And then she gave them names of three people, Harry Reams, Ginger Lynn, and Tyne Byron, who she said would know everybody that was filming. And I had to go before the grand jury and testify. And then when I was on trial, when I got before the grand jury, they showed me photographs of different people from behind the scenes. And they showed me, you know, somebody like you could see the leaves on a tree. Somebody was shooting from behind on Kinky Business. They had I saw photos and they were asking, who is this person? What's their real name? And I didn't know what anybody's real name was. You were Bob or you were Joe or you were Frank or you were, you know, I didn't know a lot of the people's real names. But what happened was I refused to testify. I went before the grand jury. And I have a really bad memory. And I didn't remember anybody's name or where they were, who they were. I just I'm blonde. So five years later, it came down that they went after me. And I was charged with willfully. They tried to get me for tax evasion, but I paid my taxes that they charged me with willfully subscribing to a false tax return. It was over two thousand eighty seven dollars and four cents. And one of the people they wanted me to testify against was you, Suze. And I refused to. And I remember when then when it came time for me to go on trial, everyone, with the exception of you and Russ Hampshire, testified against me. All of these people that I refused to testify against. Wow. And Suze walks before the jury and she's got her hand on one way and she's given the jury the thumbs up like Ginger's OK. You were so funny. Yeah, I know, because I was probably the only person who paid my taxes. So I didn't have to worry. And I just said, you know, this is a sweet. Girl, she didn't mean to do any harm. And who trusts a bookkeeper anyway? I don't. Exactly. Judge said to the prosecutor, if you can't keep your witnesses under control. And then the prosecutor tried to threaten me. Oh, you. I'm going to look into your taxes. I said, well, go ahead, baby. Fuck you. That's what they did to everybody. None of the other guys had. They'd all been. You don't mess with the tax man. No, you just don't. You don't. That's what killed Ruben Sturman. You don't. Don't fuck with the tax man. You can fuck with everybody else, but you can't fuck with the tax man. No. He needs your money. No. But the thing is, I paid my taxes. It wasn't even about that. It was just a mistake. And you was. It was because I refused to testify against people on Tracy Lord's behalf. They said, if you don't testify, we will make your life difficult. Oh, I didn't know that. Yes. It was five years later that they came after me. They're bastards. They tried to put me away for six years, Suze. Wow. Six years. I ended up doing four months and 17 days. Five days in federal prison. I bet you gave head to all the way. No. The only reason that I didn't spend more time in there is because when I was taken to the holding cell, I went from the holding cell to prison and I got there at about two, three in the morning and they put me in a cell by myself. And I had the top bunk that is where I chose to get up and crawl into. I was wearing someone else's bloodstained underwear and the guards locked. Yeah. Prison clothes are not clean. I mean, they're washed, but they're not clean. They're washed. They're washed. They're still stained. So they had me in, in this room and they locked me in and I'm, I'm, I've never been, I've never had a parking ticket. Okay. So it was one of the most frightening moments of my life. And after they locked me in, two guards came into my cell in plain clothes and they said, we love the way you suck dick. And now I'm thinking of every prison movie I've ever made and that I'm going to get raped. And I just started to shiver and cry and lose it. And they walked out laughing. Well, what I didn't know is that. Every phone conversation that you have when you're in prison is recorded. So the next day, the first thing I did, you have to wait in line and you get your phone call and you get to a day and you get five minutes. So the first thing I did was call my attorney and tell him, you know, I just had two guards come into my room, you know, last night at two in the morning and, and tell me they liked the way I suck dick. So that phone conversation was recorded and I went before the judge 17 days later and I was released. And I had to do three months in gateway. CCC. But I was in federal prison. I was in MDC LA, like downtown around the corner. Oh, ginger. Yeah. I had no idea. I didn't either. Yeah. It was, it was a pretty, it makes a great chapter in my book. Yeah. Yeah. No, definitely. Definitely. Just like the movies in there in your cell. And I, in my cell. How intimidating is that? I know. I see the hairs on your arms lifting. Yeah. Oh my God. But because you took that picture and she fooled. And the feds, that's how, when everything didn't come down. What? What picture? Which picture? The ID picture, the passport or something. Are we talking about the. Oh, no, no, no. I just bought her ID up once the shit hit the fan. And I distributed it to everybody. Good for you. Good for you. So everybody knew you had a copy of her ID. So everybody had a copy of her ID. Right. But nobody had had it. Now, were you, did you ever have any moment where you were angry with her after that? Because. No, she actually came and visited me. She came to me in hospital when I gave birth to Lucy. So that was what, 28 years ago. Oh my goodness. Did she really? Yeah. So we were, but then it got awkward, you know. Then we just sort of let it go. I mean, I kind of, when I heard it, I just heard about it. I kind of laughed. I thought, oh, fuck Ginger. I mean, not Ginger. Oh, fuck Tracy. That, you know, kind of, I'm not. Right. She was just such a smart cookie. Yeah, she really was. And she still is. She's, she's made quite a name for herself. But she, yeah. She said. But she never turned, you know, turned on me. I mean, because I probably shot her more than anybody. Right. And thank goodness she didn't turn on you. But you lost a lot of your inventory, a lot of your shots, a lot of your. Oh yeah, I shredded them all. Yeah. It's such a tragedy. But the thing is, I mean, I don't think they went after me because they would have kind of looked stupid. I'm, you know, I would have made the judge laugh and I would have made it obvious that this. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. This. Right. You know, they want people up there who's scared and looking guilty and things like that. And most of the people out of the 64 people. That's why the vice always left me alone because I call them shoeshine boys. I love that about you. And you had her ID in that, so you know. Exactly. Well, everybody was innocent. I mean, Christ, that girl was so sexually aggressive. Oh yeah. Oh, absolutely. Oh, absolutely. She fucked everybody. And she enjoyed it. Her mother's boyfriend who basically took her to Jim South's office. That's right. And helped her get the ID because he was a pedophile. She says that's how she ended up in there. Thinking back, that's exactly how it must have happened. She was in the car and in the book he would lift her shirt up and make fun of her boobs. That's who should have been prosecuted. That's who should have been prosecuted. Not anybody else that didn't know about it. Unfortunately, we've run out of time, Suze. But, you know, Humphrey's written a book called Love, Lies and Porn. Lies, Love and Porn. Love, Lies and Porn. Porn, yeah. Yes, I've read it. Did you read it? I'll have to check that out. It's kind of based on those times. You can pick up a copy of Love, Lies and Porn by Humphrey Knipe, K-N-I-P-E. Where can we pick up a copy? Amazon? Yeah, probably. Get it on Amazon.com. I want everybody to go to suze.net. That's where you can see all of Suze's photos over the years. Yeah, make me some money. Make her some money. And we're actually, yeah, we're selling hard drives now of it directly. We're doing a whole new thing rather than... Oh, that's a brilliant idea. So all the collector's stuff, it's not quite ready yet, but... Let me know when it is. I'm sure this will Yeah, that's a good idea. Great for those new photographers coming up and getting involved in erotica and they can check out how it's done. How it's really done. Suze, I adore you. I love you to death. Thank you so much for coming in today. Lots of fun. Thank you. I'm so glad I found my way. We'll be back tomorrow with more Blame It On Ginger. We've got comedians coming in tomorrow. We've got porn stars coming in tomorrow. We've got a show that you won't believe. So don't go anywhere. Come back to Blame It On Ginger. Have a great day and thanks for listening. Thanks. Bye. Bye. Bye. I want to live a life of sin. I want to be like Ginger Lynn. La la dee, la la die. Surrender to the boys and lies within. I want to be like Ginger Lynn. La la dee, la la die. I want to die.