now and and it's like to a lot of people I think that I'm too good because I've cleaned up the outside and that's just what I did was cleaned up the outside and and now that I I see the havoc that we as g's caused in our neighborhood it's time for me to clean up the inside because these kids are watching us and and and I just lost two kids that that I thought I was mentoring when I was in the street I was getting drunk but all I did was I kept them safe for the time that they were with me but they recently I don't know if you heard about the old lady walking home from the market and she got stabbed to death and and the two twins they done it and and everybody was going around the neighborhood where you know who they play mama was they play mama was me but instead of me arguing and going into Facebook wars and and trying to defend myself I just decided that I lost those two but what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna turn it around for good and I'm gonna reach back in the hood and I'm gonna pull 22 more out so that's my goal what I plan on doing for the show um I'm I'm trying to set up a forum where kids like to talk to kids and and they relate to me because sometimes I'm goofy or I act like them and And then sometime I put my foot down like I'm a G. And then I learn all the latest terminologies that they talk in. And I'll talk it. And now they call me Mama Bubbles. So, you know, I'm part of their crew. But they open up. And they talk to me. And that's the coolest part about it. And now I'm getting mothers from different states, New York, and especially New York. That's where all my babies are. And it's like parents are calling me like, I appreciate what you're doing for my child. It's a lot of young men that I've been just talking to on Facebook and getting on. He has seen me on Facebook. And it's a lot of mothers calling saying, you know what happened? I appreciate you doing something with my kid that I couldn't. A lot of these young boys that are fathers, they taking care of their kids now. I mean, I think about 10 kids within the last four months have gotten jobs at McDonald's and Burger King. I seen a post today that made me cry. When one boy said, I'm hustling my butt off flipping these burgers. But I'm going to do whatever I can do to take care of me and my child. And it was just like five months ago, he didn't want to look at the girl. He didn't want to talk to the girl. He wasn't claiming a baby. And it's like I have a moment of clarity because I'm saving a life, not just here in my community, but other places too. So that's my thing. That's what my show is going to be on. And the last Sunday of every month, I won't just use the talk. I want to try to get somebody to teach one of them how to host and where I could just sit there. Because kids will talk to kids better than they can talk to adults. And kids can relate to kids better than we can relate to them. And they're just sitting there listening until they get down. Then I don't know what to do as an older person and as a member of the community. I don't know what we could do in order. I don't know how to help them. Okay, that's why it's so important for all of us to seek out and find these funding shows for all of these great shows. And also, now I've got a couple of questions that I would like to ask. Would you like to say something? Yeah. Come on. Come on up here, Don. Come on up here. Come on up here. Come on up here. Come on up here. Come on up here. And then I've got just a couple of questions that I would like to ask the show hosts. Go ahead. Well, my name is Diamond. I'm 22 years old. I responded to a casting call for this show, Yuri and Malcolm X. I'm an actor. I'm currently transferring schools to study theater in New York. But other than that, I'm just like a quirky performer type person. I write spoken word and things like that. All you guys' shows sound very interesting. It's very cool. I don't really know what to say. What did you say? That's, I think that's about it. That's, I think that's about it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. 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We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. What's going on man It's Thursday night as usual You know it is your boy Nestorius Nestor Rodriguez A. K. A. Pit Pop You don't stop To the top To the mountaintop Yo this show is live So if you're listening live You call 1-800-893-9562 800-893-9562 Put that out there Got my Usual Crony right here My co-host Corbin Nothing else better to do I was sitting around With my With my brand flakes And my out of date Rice milk Yeah your expired rice milk Yeah Well we're very grateful To all those Thanks for having us Sitting at home In their underwear With nothing in their fridge But expired rice milk And five year old Box of Cheerios Not even the real Cheerios Like the bootleg Cheerios From the bottom shelf Yeah yeah yeah The junior year The generic Cheerios The mighty O's The Odie O's Yeah Odie O's Yeah yeah yeah Yeah I know what they're called That's cause that's what My mom got me Yeah She got me the Odie O's Yeah except Except that And the fruity O's Krusty O's Is the ones These motherfuckers have Anyway And we got You know We got My better half The Mrs. Rosemary Rodriguez Director Producer Much better Much better I agree Producer Director No argument Right now No argument I already won Olympic swimmer Ladies and gentlemen Newsflash Nestor Rodriguez is out Is out Is out Speechless Yeah so we got Rosemary Well we were talking The reason Why we got Rosemary in here Is first of all Welcome Welcome to the show Thanks I haven't had We haven't had you here In a while You're a Dedicated caller You know you call in And chime in Whenever we got some shit Going on But you've been on The show A couple times Yeah But we were talking about Just Did I get any kind of intro Or that's it I did Just your wife That's my intro No no I gave you an intro Ladies and gentlemen I didn't hear that That's it That's a show intro It's Rosemary Rodriguez What did you say Nestor Okay Not what I had in mind But it worked What did you say nigger Hold on let me do that live I can do that live I can do that Hold on a second What did you say nigger So you can just suck my cock There you go I just hooked you up I gave you like a live You know Thanks Manual intro I did I gave you an intro I said I better have I better have I better have Rosemary Rodriguez Director Producer There you go That's a fucking intro I said that I said that No you left that part out Now you all know Why I come to the studio On Thursday night To do a podcast Okay Now you know What prompted The Nestorius Public Radio show To get the fuck Out of the house Give me a break Get the Get the fuck Out of the house If there's anything Any therapists listening right now That might be a You know A therapeutic thing So that was a pretty good That was a pretty good intro So like if we had new listeners right now They'd fucking They would just like drop out Because we just spent five minutes On an intro But this is This is the Nestorius Public Radio That's how we do here But we were talking About You know The big hoopla Over last weekend's Mayweather Pacquiao fight And And And And! Like I personally Don't give a shit About these These big sporting events That People In the United States And I guess In other parts of the world Make a big deal of I'm just I mean it's just another stupid day For people to get together And have a reason to Get drunk Or eat You know Dip Or nachos Spend time together To spend To spend time together And And I think that I think that You know Spend time together You know Spend time together Is The reason But also I always think about this Like why do people Make such a big deal Like of the Super Bowl Or football championships And you know Basketball Baseball championships And boxing matches And I'm a firm believer that You know Deep down inside We all need to fight for something Right? But most of us Don't have You know The time The energy Or The balls For lack of a better way Of putting it To fight Like to really You know Put your money Where your mouth is So So instead You know We root for these teams And And And these These These sports guys These boxers To You know Fight each other So You can feel victorious On some level Like You know It's called You're living vicariously Through them Because You get a 40 hour a week job 50 hour a week job At the factory Or in front of a computer And You just Need some sort of an outlet You know That's why TV is so Important and popular To our culture You know It's like They want to escape That's why movies were so big And during the depression It's not more It's not It's escapism No no no no no no Yeah It's I'm not going It's No no It's all together I'm not going into escapism I'm going into I think it's more about the competition Right And guys against guys Right Right right right And women too Yeah but women's sports aren't There's not money in women's sports The way there are In men's sports No I'm not talking about women's sports I'm saying women I'm talking about people in general Right Not just women or men But men Yes Let's stick with men How can all men Watch male sports Well Well Well it's What I'm saying is It's about a subliminal need To identify With a team Like You know The Romans versus It's just this innate thing But most people Don't have the balls The time Or the wherewithal To actually fight for something Right So So They get out of their system that way Yeah Yeah yeah yeah So so so So so they're like two reasons The need to gather Right And also the need to To be victorious For something Which I find interesting But what I find really I guess disturbing But it's not really disturbing So I don't know what the word is Because disturbing kind of Like you know Disconcerted Well yeah Because disturbing is like That guy That guy Who fed Come to his kids You know His fifth graders That's disturbing But But what's your point? No I just have to throw that in I just have to I have to throw that As a segue in there Because we made it We did a show on that No It's disconcerting You know Shocking It's just It's just Shocking Right Okay That people Spend so much time Energy Money Right To like Be dedicated For Fans To identify With that team Or this team Or that fighter Or this fighter And so And so The thing about the Mayweather Pacquiao fight Was that Like I read That Homeboy Got paid 100 million dollars That's ridiculous For this fight Mayweather Mayweather So that I was like what? That was just on the fight Whoa whoa whoa Right? Yes I'm gonna get into the specifics Oh okay But I'm saying 100 million dollars Yeah Dude What the fuck is wrong With our With our With our country With our lives That you can actually Like be okay With a boxer Making 100 million dollars For one fight What is wrong with society? Well I'm glad that you're Talking about that Cause I One of the things I love about you Is that we don't watch You don't watch sports Well I do actually Sports for me is like porno I kind of hide it And I watch it When you're not around That's fine Then you don't make it Yeah that's fine It's not my way Because I know you don't like sports But what I do is I sneak Fucking like championship games It's not a question of Liking sports or not liking sports The idea of paying 100 million dollars No no no To one guy The idea of like millions of people And people just paying 100 dollars Just 100 dollars To watch two guys Beat themselves up They're not even Beating themselves up See I pay 100 dollars You can take that money From that night And like you know Rebuild Nepal And like save every Every person there Fuck Nepal Fuck Nepal Why don't you build housing For all the black And fucking minority White people Who are homeless Right down here In downtown LA I mean you got fucking Like Like Like Whole city blocks With tents Where people live Because they got nowhere to live There should be a social tax As a society You know A society tax Or a social tax That if you have A boxing match In a certain city You know Half of it Has to go Towards You know Helping the disenfranchised 100 million dollars bro What the fuck The reason why He's making 100 million dollars Is because He's worth 100 million dollars Because No no Who do you think pays him The advertisers pay him Because everybody's Buying this Everybody's buying the tickets The fans pay him The fans pay him Exactly Everybody buys the hats And the shirts And all that What is wrong With our society So here Because it's a big pyramid scheme You get everybody In the bottom To pay a little bit Little bit Little bit And that's what You tell me When I can get into this Because I This has prompted me To get into Looking up Like the top 10 highest paid jobs In the United States And the top lowest The 10 lowest paying jobs Okay hold on one second Let me just do The final numbers here Before you go in here Because 100 million dollars Like Rich said Was just for the fight So final pay per view buys Have not yet been revealed Right So they're coming up But conservative 3 million buys Would have generated 300 million dollars In revenue Right That's just pay per view Right Because they were 100 a pop Right That means That Mayweather Made 180 million dollars And Pacquiao Made 120 million dollars To lose For a fight That did not pit Two healthy fighters Because then the other issue Is that It came out That Pacquiao Had a injured shoulder And so that's another Whole thing So that the public Is not going to Be able to Take advantage of That And so the public Was not told And tickets went for Absurdly high amounts of money So as you know The pay per view Charge was In HD Like you know That matters It was 100 dollars Per household Significantly higher Than any Prior fight The paying public Was fleeced So then we're going to Get to that issue But please Why don't you hit us up With I mean it shows you Where our priorities are As a society I think it's reflective of that So in the top 10 I thought it was interesting According to Forbes In 2014 Here are the top 10 jobs Number 1 is surgeon Number 2 is general practitioner Number 3 is psychiatrist Number 4 is orthodontist Number 5 is dentist Number 6 is petroleum engineer Number 7 is air traffic controller I was going to say Where the fuck Are our pilot controllers Number 8 is pharmacist Number 9 is podiatrist And number 10 is attorney That's top Yeah this is top According to Forbes And I checked a bunch of websites And this more or less This is accurate And so When I saw that So a pharmacist Made it to the top 10 Number 8 Not even a pharmaceutical executive A pharmacist That's pretty big This is very telling Because this told me No wonder why nobody Wants Obamacare Like it's such a We have such a huge investment In the medical community These people are making So much money How many on your list You got one Do you know what the averages Are in the medical field About 7 All of them Except petroleum engineer Air traffic controller And attorney So 7 out of 10 Are in the medical profession Do you know what the What the mean Salaries were For those They were They varied Do you know They were pretty fucking mean They were They make some money They were in That's average for all you Non-statistical Motherfuckers They were somewhere From 200,000 Right under that So a pharmacist 150,000 A pharmacist Makes 200,000 Oh they make I didn't say 200 I said Do you know it's not that Complicated to be a pharmacist Right Hold on By the time we're at number 8 It takes a while though Yeah It was probably Around 130 130,000 Something like that 134 pharmacists I can make more money Selling crack than 130,000 I don't need to But these are These are You know And of course There's a lot of attorneys That make more money than that Of course But it's an average But that's an average I didn't know the medical community Was making so much money So you look at our priorities And it makes sense right Well yeah Most people are on Prescription drugs Well yeah It also makes sense Most everybody Why people are paying Manny Pacquiao and Mayweather 180 million dollars And 120 million dollars Respectively Because people are high Pretty much Well That's true Everyone's high And you know Injured That's a good point So I get it That's a good point So what's the bottom Well also you just said You just had surgery Oh yeah Yeah And we just had In the recovery room Nestor just had a hernia surgery Yeah And in the recovery room I'll show you guys Literally Hold on No no no Don't go there Yeah Really For those of you guys Quade Quade Start the reactors Where are you going there Oh my god I had a hernia surgery So what you do If you go to Skidwellstudios.com I wasn't trying to open up This can of worms Or if you download The video version Of this podcast I'm actually showing you The hernia surgery On the video So basically What they did was I had a little bulge Popping out Just below the belly button here And they sliced it And they cut a little fat You can see I lost some weight You can wear your shirt though No it's all good You can see I lost some weight And so they took a little bit Of that fat out Dude your belly button Is drooling man It's got glue It's glue And they put a mesh It's literally glue Behind the hole In my abdominal Abdominal wall And then they Closed the flap And they don't even Use stitches anymore They use crazy glue As you can see Yeah it's glue But that crazy glue Was invented because They were looking No they were They were looking for A type of adhesive That instead of using Staples or stitches Oh They were looking for They were looking for A non-toxic glue Something that would bond That would bond immediately And bond to skin Right That's what he's got on And they invented crazy glue But they realized You could put it on Everything else too So Yeah So anyway Also I just want to say Real quick Because I failed to say this But you know The show is recorded live Every Thursday From 9 to 10 We start a little late Once in a while Here and there But it's also live video So if you ever wanted To check out You know Anything crazy That we do live You can go to Skidrollstudios.com Like for instance If you want me to show you My belly button You can also Call in And I can show it to you Right on the video camera Right then and there Just in case Because a lot of people Will listen to my show They download it But they're not aware Of all the possibilities They're not going to pay A hundred dollars for that though No it's free If you guys are interested Nestor will be on Dark Mark's show Next week Next to You know The scantily clad host He's got Showing off his belly button Grinding her fucking So the point is That when they Go to the recovery room And then The nurse there Is like She She just Start She's very nice And we start talking And she says We have surgeries All the time That don't need to be done Right We It's a regular thing Right Just like you're talking About Pep Boys And like Oh I shouldn't say the name But like Are people just Doing things Unless they're Paying me some money Alright well not them But like you know You're talking about A car dealership Well this was Like you know Charging when it doesn't Need to be done Three ways apart They're actually doing that With people So this is contributing Well this was Elective surgery What I just did I didn't have to do this I could have waited Until it got worse And my guts That's debatable That's preventative That's preventative That's preventative It's not elective Listen I went into Urgent care And I had screwed up I think the The soleus muscle On my leg Working out Right Exactly That's why white guys Get suntan lotion Put them on their heels And then they get hurt From doing it So if you're Ever hurt that They take them To the hospital And they give them Soleus surgery That's what that is So I went in there Because I was freaking out I thought a muscle Had snapped or whatever And the guy goes You want some pills Like he didn't even I said can I get an x-ray Or an MRI He's like Want some pills That's I'm glad you said that That's very American No really He's like I can give you Some medicine You know I'm like I refuse I said I don't want The Vicodin I want my leg fixed They give me A prescription For generic Vicodin And first of all I don't like narcotics I just want to say that Right I spent a good portion Of my early childhood Fucking around With narcotics And stuff like that So I'm not I don't really like Feeling high Not into it You know what I mean If you can tell I'm already high I don't need anything else Right We can tell All the shit you did Is still wearing off It's still fucking working So No so So But of course You don't know I've never been Through hernia surgery So I fill the prescription And you gotta fill The prescription At least a week before Because it's a Highly controlled substance Right And so I get it And You know When I come out Of the surgery I'm fucking I'm a little high I don't know What the fuck They give you But I'm like Hi Yeah Yeah You kept going for hours Yeah You kept going for hours We went out to a party It was actually a lot of fun And there was like No arguing Right It was actually awesome I kept the prescription No no no Can you slide me Some more Just in case I need Like a chill day Once in a while It wasn't It was the Vicodin That made me like that No no That was just from the surgery It was the cocktails The surgery It was the You know The oxygen That he made me breathe But you did though The next day Take a Vicodin And sit still for six hours Yeah but it doesn't do anything To take away the pain In the area That is needed To remove the pain First of all There wasn't that much pain It's just discomfort Right So I take one of them And I'm feeling light headed And woozy And high But your shit still hurts Well I'm still I still feel I still feel discomfort So one thing doesn't do The other Well I mean the irony is that You know Pacquiao needed surgery Right Or whatever he needed For his shoulder Right And that's one case Where they weren't gonna do it Because there was so much Money involved And just like moving forward Well There's no way to back out Of that Well no because Because if you did surgery Like that type of surgery You're out For at least Six, seven months That's what I'm saying They can't back out Of those deals That's too much money Well Here's the other thing His trainers Wanted Wanted the medics To inject His shoulder With some sort of Anti-inflammatory Anti-inflammatory Which technically Is not illegal Right Right It's just You know Some sort of Cortisone shot So that he can fight And the boxing commission Disallowed it So You know Of course None of this is But they went the length Didn't they go They went the whole All the rounds you can go They went 12 rounds But the problem is The problem is That if you do The statistics And you And you And you Go by Pacquiao's Average Thrown punches He did about 50% of them And so A fight like this Which was by decision Right Because no one Knocked anybody out It's basically A A A match Of statistical measures Right How many punches Are thrown How many punches Actually landed You have Mayweather Throwing a lot more punches And you know When you do the averages You know You know The more punches you throw The more punches are going to land And so They give him the decision Which is Not really fair For fans That That are You know Rooting for Pacquiao You have a lot of So you think the fans are right To be suing You know Well that's something else That I wanted to say But The bookies are pissed The people betting are pissed It has nothing to do with Like my team didn't win And all that It's these people who They didn't get the information They didn't get the information Enough information or whatever To make the right wager To make the right wager That's But they're not going to say that In the news outlets And all that That's really what it comes down to It comes down to money It's always about the money Well yeah So It's a guy Well we'll get back to the To the lowest ten Salaries Or jobs But You have those also yeah I have the lowest Okay So let me just So Rosemary just mentioned So do the fans So do the fans Have the right to sue So There are two Las Vegas residents Who filed a five month Million dollar class action lawsuit Claiming that Pacquiao Hid shoulder injury Until after they paid for the fight So you got two guys Or women or whatever I don't know what their gender is But They're A five million dollar class action suit Which basically What that means is They're trying to get as many people That want to join the suit You know together For five million dollars Dude It's like Why don't you just I mean Ask them to get your money back Why don't you just Why don't you just Ask your promoters I don't think it's right Can I get my hundred dollars back And call it a day Right So anyway So that's the thing So the big The big To do is Like do they have the right Do you think they're gonna You know Do they have a right To bring a case like this To court Anyway So go back to the lower The bottom ten Things And then I want to go back To my surgery Alright We're going all over the place Bing Boom Bang Bang So also in Forbes Scoring Forbes The United States Is the number one Country That has low paying jobs The number one Number one Interesting because We're the richest One of the richest countries In the world Yes Even lower than China I was gonna say The richest It's No no no You know what I'm gonna look this up No it's of the You know like the people In the Hold on In the western world In the organization In the western world Yeah Not the sweatshop It's like France Belgium The standard countries Okay We're all in the same League here We are number one And the definition Of a low paying job Is our jobs That are below The median income Which the median income In this country Right now Is $35,000 $35,080 That's the median That's the median income I thought it was like $52,000 Wow $35,000 Okay 2014 Wow Okay $35,000 Yes Wow That's how much My garden's getting paid No less Fuck that I'm giving them A fucking pay reduction We're number one country And people getting paid Less than that Less than $35,000 Less than the median income So compared to the median income Anywhere We're way above Yeah yeah We're way above Got it okay So the top ten Of the lowest paying jobs Number one Guess Did you look already Of the lowest paying jobs I can't read your writing The top ten Yeah The number ten Yeah yeah Number one Of the lowest paying jobs You want me to read it backwards Does that help your brain Yeah no Count it down Like the Ten Nine The tenth worst Ninth worst And then the worst All right all right So I'm gonna start It's gonna be time To think about So number ten Number ten Is parking lot attendance Parking lot attendance That's what you do Everybody needs to think About this When they're tipping And what they're What they're doing And when you don't Want to go there Yeah but that's because These guys are not resourceful That's number ten Number ten Parking lot attendance Number nine That would be one of The richest jobs This one is scary Because I take your car You give me your key I'll be like okay I'll park your car Here's your stuff But I never come back Well he might want To blow the curve If you start parking cars You might want to think twice Before leaving shit in your car Lamborghinis And all sorts Anyway yeah Think twice about The tipping The parking attendance Or leaving stuff in your car Okay Number nine Is a little scary It's personal And home care aides Oh yeah Yeah I mean those are the people Taking care of Other people People with disabilities Those are like those Jamaican ladies Like sucking their teeth Man I'm not wiping Your grandpappy ass That's right Because they're not getting paid Pick up to your diapers Pick up to hairpins You're not wiping Insurance man I'm not wiping Your grandpappy ass Boom ba cloud I'm not sweeping The carpet That's right Number eight Was lifeguards Yeah Yeah They're like 12 Or no They're like 15 They're 16 years old That makes sense That's a seasonal job Just saying They're kids And they're usually white kids That are going to go on To make 50 million dollars Number seven Is gaming dealers Like car dealers Really Hard They don't make That much money No they don't make money I didn't know that I thought they made A lot of money They're not reporting Their tips I don't know what They're doing No no no You'd be surprised A lot of people Don't give tips This goes by hourly wages Hourly wages Okay Number six Is garment workers Which has not gone up Forever And they still get screwed Everywhere in the world They get screwed But especially here Yeah Number five Well I don't know Especially here But I don't think They're doing too good Yeah well I'm saying American apparel And garment workers In the United States They've always gotten screwed Yeah Number five Is cashiers Fuck them The cashiers Let me tell you something About cashiers Yeah all cashiers Target Let me explain Let me explain something To you about cashiers I don't know Target I don't want to speak About Target No no no Let me tell you something About cashiers They should be The number ten Okay Because cashiers Are just fucking dummies Right That's not right I'm sorry If I'm afraid That's because there's A lot of women That are cashiers That's wrong No no no There's a time In this country When you were a cashier You needed to know How to add And subtract Right now All you're doing Is fucking assisting In the scanning Conveyor belt That doesn't mean They're dummies They're just using technology They also had a union Back in the day And They don't anymore They don't anymore Thanks to Automated Reagan Well that's why That's why they're on this list You mentioned Target You want to know How nasty When I say nasty I mean badass Target is So Target Has a camera On top of Every cashier Location So like Every transaction Has a video code To it So like If you come back And you try to Return something Like I did one time For instance They charged me No no They charged me For five towels And when I got home I was like Oh fuck There's only four here How am I gonna go back And prove to them That I only got four And not five Right They played it back for you I was like Fuck it I'm gonna go And I'm gonna tell them I mean I'm honest About it I mean the least They can do Is tell me to go Fuck myself It wouldn't be The first time So the guy goes Alright Let's go Let me see the receipt So he looks at the receipt There's a time code On the receipt And a date So he goes back And I'm not talking About three months later This was like about Like within four days Or three days Of the transaction So he goes And he looks at it He goes He goes I'm gonna go back And look at the video I'm like the video Fuck you talking about This is a towel Motherfucker He comes back And he goes Yeah yeah yeah I see I see I see that I see that only four towels Were put into your bag I was like Big up for Target camera You motherfucker Yeah man Cool man So number four Is amusement park And recreation attendance Yeah well That's also a seasonal thing Yeah Unless you live in California Or out here Yeah a lot of these jobs Are actually out here Yeah Because number three Yeah Which we all know They get screwed Is farm laborers Which are mainly Out in California Well I mean They're up there That's not bad Well they're I mean they get enslaved To like pick fruit I mean they're You know They're called Avocado and almond Enslavers Number two I would have never Guessed this one Number two Well there seems To be a little tie Because I was looking On different websites Do I have a drum roll Here somewhere Number two Hold on a second Come on they deserve it Number two deserves it Yes go ahead Number two Number two Is kind of a tie Shampoos In a hair salon Shampoos are getting Paid more than My fucking agricultural Oh oh oh No less They're like number two They're number two Worst Got it Got it And then this breaks My heart They're kind of in a tie With the shampoos We got no drum roll Nothing I'm looking for it Oh man Alright Movie ushers And ticket takers Wow Screwed Wow One of our biggest Industries in this country Yeah And they get screwed Movie ticket Movie ticket Movie ushers And ticket takers Number one What's number one Number one Um A little toss up With number one too But what's number one I would say Gardeners No The number one Low paying job Number one Low paying job Uh Custodians Fast food cooks And dishwashers Oh shit Why didn't I know that Yeah Custodians Wow Fast food cooks And dishwashers And dishwashers Yep Lowest paid jobs In the United States In 2014 Do you really want to know that? I don't want To go out and eat At a place Oh wait a minute I don't have Where they pay them I don't have drums Like a drum roll But I have this Since this is in the stories That's for the home Personal home care workers Because you know what I have African Hey man Do your grandpa Need his butt wax Hey man I don't I don't think it's really A matter of race I think there's a lot Of different people Taking home But I think the most Disturbing job That's low paying Is personal care Right I've never I got a whole soundboard here That I've never even used You're hiring people To take care of people Anyway Enough of that Enough of that So yeah Thanks for letting me That was interesting I like that So here's the other thing We're talking about We're talking about lawsuits Like the class action lawsuit That's happening Which by the way If you did buy A $100 pay-per-view Oh we're still talking About the fight In 18 years And you want to join That class action lawsuit Google it I mean shit Why not You could always You could always Join in And say that You know Your shoulder hurts Because you kept Changing the remote Because the fight Sucked so bad I heard it was A really bad fight They just kind of Danced around They didn't really connect Dude any fight That you'd have to pay Somebody $180 million Is a bad fight Because there's no fight That you can justify That much money You can't do it You can't get excited about it You can't do it Somebody would have to die Yeah exactly No I mean I'm just saying Exactly Exactly For $180 million And you know what As sick as this fucking country is Somebody People would pay $180 million No for $180 million Somebody's head Would have to be Chopped off Then you'd have to go They'd have to bite their ear off Remember those days No no no The ear Is that Leon Spinks No that was Mike Tyson Oh Mike Tyson Sorry Mike Tyson with I don't know That was Evander Holyfield Right Evander Well Come on Then you get your money's worth So here's Yeah you get a show Exactly Two more things about the fight Then we'll move on real quick To some fun stuff Right So the president Of Fight Promoter Top Rank Inc. Right Said the company Plans to pursue Legal action Following widespread Piracy Of the Floyd Mayweather Manny Pacquiao Fight On video sharing Smartphone apps And websites Rather than pay The $100 Pay-per-view fee To watch the fight At home Many people watched Streams of the fight On video sharing apps Such as Periscope And other technology And I guess Some boasted on social media That they were using Periscope To watch the fight For free So I didn't know There was an option To do that But now I know You know How do you feel About that Rosemary Being that you're A big anti-piracy Supporter Do you think In this case For instance It warrants To watch the fight For free However way you need it Being that we all agree That $100 Is a lot of money Yeah I can't Myself Support that Support that Got it I just can't Because I think people You know There's other Younger generations And people that You know It happens to the music industry I mean it's happening To every industry And people feel A sense of entitlement About getting things for free That you shouldn't pay for it It's not only that You know We go to You know A store Walmart And expect to get Like a t-shirt For four bucks Right But now we expect Stuff for free Like there's such a sense Of entitlement To the internet And you know A lot of This fight aside That's a ridiculous Amount of money And that means Only it's pretty elitist That people get to watch That fight That's ridiculous That's a problem But when it comes down To music and movies And stealing movies And thinking that It's okay to download shit Without people that Worked hard on it And that depend On a living To get paid from that I just think There's a sense of entitlement We gotta call But first of all First of all You couldn't pay me To watch the fight Right So even if it was for free I wouldn't give a fuck That's why I'm asking you Simon just called And Simon you there? Yeah I'm here I owe you a call man You've called me Like a week A couple days ago And you know Let me just tell you Straight up I don't know if you heard But I had hernia surgery So I've kind of been Out of commission Oh wow Yeah What happened man? You've been What were you doing? Well I know I wasn't Lifting weights Well no What happened is What happened is He wasn't lifting weights You know that I got Circumcised when I was a kid So we got that in common But you know How do you know that? Because Jews get Someone circumcised honey You don't know this? Oh we showed each other Yeah of course we showed each other Well he was just showing I thought maybe that's why You called Because he was just Showing his belly button So I thought you got excited No he didn't listen to it You know what Simon You know what Let's move on From this analogy I was gonna make Because my wife Just fucked it up Just go ahead So I had surgery Nothing I had a little extra fat Coming out my belly button What happened to your hernia? Go ahead I'm sorry What happened to your hernia? Nothing I just had a little bulge You've been out of town man For a while Otherwise I would have Showed you I had like a little bubble That popped out From underneath my belly button There's a little hole In the abdominal wall That you know But your belly button Was popping out a little bit too Right? Well because it's very Close to it That's what it was Anyway so what's up man How you doing? Oh man I just I'm sitting there Flipping through Facebook And I see that The lovely Rosemary Rodriguez Is going to be Chopping it up on the air So I wanted to Listen in and call And say hey Nice Oh Alright Yeah How you doing? I'm great I'm good I had a hernia surgery When I was a kid too Yeah When you were a kid That's unusual for a kid No? So we were just We were just talking about Real quick I never heard He was a rambunctious youth I don't know if you tuned in I was like 18 I was like 18 He was lifting A lot of weights back then I don't know I don't know if you Tuned in earlier But we were talking about The ridiculousness Of the The amount of money That Mayweather and Pacquiao Were getting paid For this retarded fight Yeah it could have Ended world hunger And instead We got to watch The boxing match Where a grown man Ran around the ring Running He wasn't even Standing in fight Every time Pacquiao Tried to fight him He just turned and ran Like it was a track meet We should have just had Carl Lewis Fight the Flying cameras off Brothers That was good Well we should have done We should have like Integrated Three things The Trinidadian Brooklyn Day parade And we should have Had the fight And we should have Had the Ethiopian Fucking Cross country race All in one Sporting event Then it would have Justified the 180 million Dollars Let me tell you Something This is like If anybody wants Any proof That boxing Is bullshit Full of shit And out of hand When the Burger king guy Is in your corner Okay It's too much You've gone a little Too far I'm sorry What do you mean What do you mean The burger king guy Can't Sam start Walking out With the captain Crunch guy Give me a fuck Break Who is Who are these Did that happen Are these the Are these the coaches Are these the trainers Who are these guys Trainers Did you watch the fight No No We didn't watch the fight What do you think We hate the fight What do you think Burger king You know You know the burger king guy From the burger king commercials That wears that mask Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah! He walked out of the He walked out of the tunnel With Mayweather As a burger king promotion And sat in Mayweather's Corner the whole time What a piece of shit That's why they're getting Paid a hundred million That's a piece of the money No The 180 million dollars Does not account For any burger king Endorsements Yes it does No it doesn't A hundred million dollars Is what he got to fight That's an addition No no no But wait But he got to fight No no no And during the fight They got burger king In the corner No he decided To send out Was an addition That's an addition I'm not sure you're really Using the word fight properly Because he did not fight Right okay But I have a question Wait but why were you Watching Why were you watching The fight Well I The last time I watched A boxing match Okay Was when I saw Mike Tyson Knock out Bruce Seldon Without actually hitting him Right that's a That's a boxing match Yes Yeah without actually Hitting him Yeah I don't understand He threw a punch Missed and knocked him out And I said You know I'm not going to watch this again Yeah that's ridiculous So I never in my life Made another You know what You know what that's called That's called Lucha Libre That's not a boxing match So how did you come To watch this fight If you hate it so much And are morally opposed to it Were you using periscope Because about Because about 20 black guys And one Jew Got together in Seattle And chipped in And he was part of it What I said She said Rosemary asked How did you get to see the fight I said because about 20 black guys And one Jew And one Jew Got together And chipped in To watch the fight And you were the black guy No no What happened is I'll tell you why I haven't watched a boxing match In probably 10 years or more Okay I've never seen Either of these guys fight But I am a sports fan I do listen to sports radio And they've been hyping This fight for 5 years So I thought Wow It must be worth something Or else Why would they have been Talking about it so much So I decided Okay I'm going to watch it You know It seems like It would be a great fight Floyd Mayweather I have never I have never seen Such a Such a ballet dancing act In my life I'm sorry man The guy never stood in And fought with him Every time People came in He dumped it And ran away Did you pay $100 No no no no My buddy did I threw him 20 bucks Just to be you know Alright His name is Simon Kaufman Okay His name is not Fucking Bill Withers His name is Simon Kaufman You understand Yeah I don't know What you're talking about I don't know Hey listen So I'm saying I'm the cheap Jew Is what he's trying to say No no Hey I didn't say that Oh I didn't say that Okay Let me just say this And first of all I just want to tag team on that I don't believe I don't buy that Jews are cheap bullshit So I was I don't believe I don't buy Anyway So I read this thing About First of all I think Mayweather Is one of the class The Classless When it comes to boxers And sports figures I would pay him Five dollars To use his fucking Silk underwear To get in there With Burger King And then I tell him To get the fuck out That's how much I would pay him Five dollars Mayweather's bad He's bad for America He's bad for the He's despicable He's despicable I read this article About how He said He used to watch Boxing matches All along And Since he was a kid And he went to Every boxing match Kind of like comedians Do it And he said When we go to Open mics And just go He used to go And then He's been so Disenfranchised And discouraged And kind of like With boxing And I said to myself Really? Because He is one of the guys That has contributed To the demise If If the If the last boxing match You mentioned With Mike Tyson Was Was bad What this guy has done He's taken Where Mike Tyson Left boxing And he's taken it Further down Into the shitter And he's taken To the shitter Than anybody else Could have ever put And so Yeah I mean If you want to pay me To dance around a ring And not even engage Or not even come in In boxing I could do that No no no no You couldn't dance like him You would probably need You would probably need that Ha la Maquila Ha la Maquila Ha You would need Something like that They're not going to pay For that Simon But I'll drop Some Silkas Tor On that ass Spin around Do a little Breakdance move All I'm saying is It was pathetic He's bad for America It's so stupid What's pathetic Is that you're not On this show anymore What's up Yeah What the fuck I mean let's get real What the fuck About packing on that He called me And he said Yo when is that 100th episode Exactly And you know I may be able to make it To answer your question Simon This is episode 80 But it's probably The 100th episode That I have up Or the 98th Or 99th episode Probably the 98th So Well I want to try To come back I want to try to come back I mean when you guys Are doing episode 100 Well You know I found out I got some bad news I found out on Monday They want to do another Surgery on my ankle Because they're having Some complications But I mean I'm healing I'm figuring it all out Wait a minute Wait a minute I can't even walk right I mean I Yeah but wait a minute You can't put no Fucking kerplotch Or any fucking Like matzo ball soup Juice on that shit To make it feel better Kerplotch Kerplotch Kerplotch You can't You can't put no fucking You can't put no like It's kreplach You know You can't put You can't put no Which sounds just as bad anyway You can't put no kerplotch In some fucking Borscht Some borscht Juice on that shit Nah dude Nah I went to I went to that I need to go to that restaurant In the Toluca Lake Times And grab some meat stuff From there and rub it on Dude You fucking Jews man Let me tell you something Puerto Ricans I would have put Some fucking Jews Some Vicks Vapor rub On that shit And my mom Would have kicked my ass Out of the house And said to get a fucking job And cut the bullshit That's what happened To me You're going on For four or five fucking months Limping All you do is Get up on fucking stage Hold the mic What the fuck does your ankle Have to do with the microphone Well because I mean What am I going to do For work when I I mean listen I don't want to come back To LA till I can walk properly You know what I'm saying Like I can't Why you don't need to Walk properly This is a This is a place You don't need to walk Yeah exactly I mean All you need to do Is get yourself You know A Middle Eastern chick That has a lot of money And has like fucking A Mercedes Benz or two And you can make believe You're Persian And you can just go Fuck you I am Persian Well I've been on MiddleEasternChick.org Trying I've made a profile Trying to find someone But So You're not hairy enough Let me wrap this Let me wrap this little thing About The Mayweather Fight So in addition To all this Right He He Banned Two female journalists Rachel Nichols Of CNN And Michelle Beadle Of HBO For pointing out That Mayweather's History of domestic violence So this motherfucker Not only makes 180 million dollars But he's got the power And the right To You know Prevent The press Not just the press But two female Journalists From From being Ridiculous I'm just looking at his history What? Go ahead He's beat the shit out of many women Yeah many women Oh yeah Yes Yeah well if he wants to beat up women How come he doesn't want to fight Pacquiao The guy ran around Like you know Any guy You know look at him He wants to punch women He doesn't want to fight Well that's the problem That's the problem Somebody should have told Pacquiao To wear a wig You know what I mean? Exactly And then we would have had a right A good fight Who knew? Yeah Listen Listen Here's the reality Okay If you look at the NBA Alright If you look at the NFL You look at Major League Baseball Okay It's a league It's There's uniformity Okay Every team needs the same uniform Your field needs to be the same dimensions You're all playing by the same rule book You use the same regulation baseballs The same regulation Fat The same regulation steroids Exactly But I'm saying The problem with boxing Is it's the wild west Yeah You know Everyone's on the field Doing whatever they want to do Each state has their own rules It's not a sport It's not a real sport anymore No It's a clown show Is what it is There's a story here That says There's a story here That says It says that he's the highest paid athlete in sports And he collected Forty one and a half million dollars In September 13th For his victory over Saul Alvarez And he once posted online An ATM receipt That indicated his account balance Of a hundred and twenty three million dollars Okay First of all Can I just tell you something? I'm gonna tell you something If you have an ATM receipt Right That has a balance Of a hundred and twenty million dollars That right there Constitutes you to be The captain of the retarded Fucking team of the planet Because if you have A hundred and twenty million dollars In your basic bank account That means you're getting Point pubic hair percent On your fucking interest On your money If you're a real smart motherfucker You'd have maybe Three thousand dollars Three thousand dollars Three thousand dollars In your bank account And the rest of that shit Invested in fucking Variable rate stocks Dude he's gonna be on He doesn't know how to read He doesn't know how to read So he's not a smart person He's gross And he No He's pathetic I mean America loves a shit show Yeah I mean what's the difference Between him and the Kardashians? What's the difference? Exactly Well for one thing Oh Nestor likes them For one thing The Kardashians can dance better And for the other Kim Kardashian has A big ass Fucking booty And he doesn't have that Okay I don't know I saw him dance Like a ballet Ballerina in the Boxing match I don't know Yeah I don't know man I saw a really good dance job Yeah Well anyway I'm with you It's a bunch of bullshit Anyway so I was thinking About you today Not only because I owe you a call But I saw this This poster For For a rap contest That they're having It's only a twenty five dollar Fucking fee to get in And I thought Fuck man Simon Wouldn't it be cool If you were down here? Dude I just won Two weeks ago I just won a Freestyle rap battle They did after a Stand up comedy show Yeah We called up a bunch of people I just won a Freestyle rap battle Would you win? Would you win an ace bandage? What? I said what did you win? An ace bandage? Yeah no I won ten bucks There's all those years All that talent Dude Put to good weight Dude take those ten dollars Put to good use Take those ten dollars Put to good use Get on the Pacific Sun Gold liner Or whatever the fuck It's called on Amtrak Come down here Pay twenty I'll spot you the twenty five dollars To do the rap contest I think it's a two hundred dollar You're gonna sponsor me Like Burger King sponsors Mayweather? We got five minutes Hey so So listen man We're coming We're coming down on the On the show I just wanted to say Yo thank you for calling me man Thank you for calling In the show We miss you Yeah Yeah well I miss you too I want to I want to try to make it down there For one of the The hundredth episode Yo did you like Did you like the Silver Skies page yet or what? He's liked it Oh you've liked it? Hey by the way If you're listening to the show man We have a movie that we Produced and And Rosemary directed And all that other stuff We have a Facebook page Make sure that you go to Facebook And you like the page Silver Skies I got my girlfriend That liked it also Good Get everybody to like it Facebook I just hope she likes me Yeah Google Go to Facebook Go to Facebook Go to Facebook.com And search Silver Skies The movie She'll like you When she sees you Arresting the bad guy In Silver Skies Totally Totally Hey so I got a big laugh I got a big laugh In the theater When we watched it That's right So before you go Let me just tell you this So in California Right A judge Ordered A judge in California Ordered California To pay For an inmate's Sex change operation Why? Because I mean A federal judge In San Francisco Has ordered California To pay for a sex change operation For a biologically Male prisoner That could cost As much as A hundred thousand dollars U. S. District Court Judge John Tiger Ruled Thursday That Michelle Lyle B. Norsworthy Who was born Jeffrey Brian Norsworthy Should undergo Gender reassignment Suicide At the state's Expense To ensure Her constitutional Rights are met That's why To ensure Her constitutional Rights are met Yeah No well actually That's actually One of the founding Principles At the When they wrote The constitution Yeah Really if you think About it If you study The history I think it was Thomas Jefferson That was really A big proponent Of transsexualism Yeah As transgenderism It was a big Jefferson Samuel Adams They were a big That was one of the Main reasons They fought the British A lot of people Thought it had to do With taxes But it really had to do With being able To get your dick Chopped off Exactly So yeah Norsworthy has been In prison since 87 And is serving 17 years to life For the 1985 Shooting death Of an acquaintance According to the Orange County Registered newspaper See my thing is If you're doing 17 years to life You don't need to Change your Your gender You just suck dick You have all the Big burly Black dudes in prison You make friends You make friends You get cigarettes Out of the deal Exactly It could be like The cop Who's suing Starbucks The North Carolina cop Who's suing Starbucks Because the coffee lid Came off his Starbucks cup Free A free coffee A free coffee That they gave this cop Starbucks gave this cop Free coffee But he Wait I just lost it But so it It burned his groin Yeah And he's suing He sued them for $75,000 Because His wife Had lost her Intimate partner Ah Yes No I hear you And for $75,000 You can get a really Nice intimate partner Online these days Yeah Yeah But it says they're Seeking $750,000 Oh it's $750,000 To cover the cost Of the legal and medical Fees and damages Oh $750,000 I thought it was $75,000 No Partners online One Well you know I think it's a really It's a message out there For a lot of the youth That want gender Reassignment surgery Exactly That's why Don't save your money Don't save your money Go to Starbucks Go to Starbucks Get a free cup of coffee Kill them Yeah Go to Starbucks Get a free cup of Fucking coffee While you're at it Get a fucking 20 A benty Hot black coffee Tell the woman Tell the barista To lightly put the cap on And then just squeeze The fucking cup When you're When she gives it to you And let the hot shit Fall on your lap And then your cock Will automatically Die Disappear And there you go You can save the rest of us All your fucking They call that the Puerto Rican sex change Yeah well exactly It'll be a fucking Puerto Rican sex change Operation There you go Hey while we're at it We're almost done But here While you're at it You want to hear Some bizarre lawsuit Yeah So a Utah woman Has been cleared To sue herself For killing her husband In a car accident Right Barbara Bagley Accuses herself Of negligence And she's not In the 2011 rollover Of the family's Range Rover A court ruled That Bagley As the representative Of her husband's estate Can sue Bagley As the driver So she can seek Insurance damages And So she can seek Insurance damages Big up for the fucking For the legal system In America Come on Big up for anybody Who wants to Chop their cock off Big up if you get A free cup of coffee And you get A fucking police officer Get $750,000 man We should really talk About that Vice show That we saw About the gay The homosexuals In Iran That's actually A really interesting show You should bring that up That's a good one Bring that up next time So we're wrapping this up Oh how they're forcing them To do No no no no Yeah they're forcing them To do sex change operations Well it's illegal To be gay In Iran But it's not illegal To be a transgendered person Well no no no no no no What they're saying is If you're a man And you want a man You have to change Your fucking sexual orientation So then now you're a woman So they're actually forcing you For a sex reassignment surgery I have a good idea Why don't we give Nuclear weapons to these people That's a great plan There you go I know exactly Yeah yeah Yeah why don't we Yeah that's great Why don't we Let's give them some nukes That's great Give them some nukes We should do a little plug For Vice though Listen you know Vice is a good show That's a show On HBO So yo Thank you for calling us Simon Love you man I'll give you a call Let you know when that 100th episode is coming up Yeah I can't wait To get down there And get back in the mix With you guys Yeah well technically We can record the 100th episode It doesn't have to be live So it doesn't matter So I'll call you this week We'll talk Alright sounds good Alright peace Take care you son So that concludes Another wonderful episode Of Nasorious Public Radio I want you to know That if you're out there In Skid Row Studioville Or in iTunes land You need to go And tell your friends Tell two friends And have them tell two friends And have those two friends Tell another two friends So to go to iTunes And search the podcast section For 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Oh it is a follow up To Daredevil Yeah Oh awesome Yeah it's their next show On Netflix I'm excited about that We just finished doing The whole season Of Daredevil I kind of like the show And then I'm going to I'm going to go to Pittsburgh And do two episodes Of a new show That's going to be on WGN Called Outsiders That's Peter Cullen And Don Big up Outsiders man And more good life And you've got to get Silver Skies out there So Silver Skies Like Silver Skies The movie On Facebook And like Nasorious Public Radio On Facebook And yo we out man You know what I'm saying We out We out We out We out We out We out We out We out We out We out We out We out We out We out We out We out We out We out We out We out We out We out We out We out We out Every time you see me it's like a fucking sneak attack I don't wanna hear about your problems, get off of my back I got a million fucking problems I got a million fucking problems, yeah I got a million fucking problems You're not gonna be one, yeah I ain't no fucking Dr. Bale, so don't you even bother You think your life is step shit, confess it to your mother I got a million fucking problems I got a million fucking problems, yeah I got a million fucking problems And you're not gonna be one, yeah I got a million fucking problems I got a million fucking problems, yeah I got a million fucking problems And you're not gonna be one, yeah Outro Music Outro Music Outro Music Outro Music Outro Music Outro Music Outro Music Outro Music Shit is going crazy Right here, motherfucker, that story Is public radio show, ayo Busted, it's Thursday night, 9pm Pacific Standard Time, you know where you are Your Bryce milk has expired You haven't done laundry in about three months Your shit is whack But you paid your internet bills That's why you tuned in You tuned in live To the end of P and the motherfucking R The Nestorius Public Radio Show You know what I'm saying Skid Row Studios dot com My name is Nestor Rodriguez What's up A. K. A Yo it's Nestorius and the motherfucking Mike Yo we got your free love You're gluten free You're free to bet You're free for the people The OPP You don't stop Cause you're chilling with me Ah yeah You know It's good to be back That's my man Simon Good to be here That's my man Simon Kaufman Yo Yes sir Yo you want some crazy shit Before we move forward My man Richard Richard Richard Richard Richard What's up everybody Richard What's happening Como esta Richard Estoy muy bien Estoy muy bien Estoy muy bien Okay so before we proceed I found this for you Simon You ready I'm ready You ready I found this shit for you Yo I'm ready if you ready Hey yo Hey yo I just found this shit just for you Yo For you You You I got the tiny little pickles in your ear Don't stop the bitches cause your ear Look into my ball sack That's the mic y'all To the beat y'all You know we bring it back Yo You don't A slivity slap on the shit I got my mustard stain on the foam pit Yo I just do what I do Yo because that's me I go to D-Town Burgers Get a burger with cheese And you don't stop You don't quit I get my shit With a double slice of cheddar cheese You don't say motherfucker please Give me a slice of the raw onion On the motherfucking cheese I get my fat burger With the onions and the pickles I got that big dickle That I stick up in the middle Stick it in the dickle Stick it in the dickle Stick it in the dickle Boom dickle Ha ha Everyone know me Everyone can suck it Ha ha ha Ha ha ha You gotta work on that shit That's the imperial hip hop Yo Instrumental shit Yeah dude We gotta work on that That was I was thinking in honor of You know Star Wars Episode 5078 That's coming You know Coming to To the forefront Of the cultural Epicenter of the United States When's that launching Do you know Oh I think it's 2016 Or 2017 What's that Star Wars Yeah the next December 2015 2015 thank you Very soon Yeah anyway They got the original Cast and crew You know Minus a couple A few You know what I mean Oh yeah Yeah And a lot of them Are gonna be a lot less Than they were Carrie Fisher lost Like 35 pounds so far She's got a few more to go Well she was a lot less Than what she became And now she's trying To go back to the way She was Well she was She was really heavy though But recently She's lost 35 She wasn't heavy When she was the original Princess Leia No no no Not at all Well one thing I saw Online that I thought Was really cool Is this one They're actually Building sets again And not just doing All that computer Generated horse shit Dick cock sucking Stuff that they do I'm so sick Of all that graphics I understand That there are people Out there that Like the graphics Typically people That don't have Girlfriends and hang out And think they're wizards And play magic cards And shit And I support that I support those people But the old Star Wars Where they made the sets Was so cool looking Yeah yeah yeah That movie Was! Groundbreaking Trendsetting Fucking vaginal Crack opening That shit was the nucleus To all sorts of Other fucking films To come After that But We're not gonna get Too crazy into that I remember when I came Out of the theater It was 1977 I remember when I came Out of the theater I was I had my imaginary Fucking lightsaber And as a Puerto Rican I was like Vroom Vroom And you know He was on acid He was like machete It was 77 He was on acid He came out Yo In true In a Fu Manchu In true typical Fucking Puerto Rican fashion My mom said Chill the fuck out Or I'm gonna hit you With a flip flop And you're gonna fucking see What true Jedi powers are Yeah exactly She fucking cock blocked My whole experience Man You know what I mean? That was brutal Anyway I opened up the show With some gunshots And And a little ice cream I gotta do that again That shit was dope That shit was dope Ha ha Ha ha Ha ha Ha ha Ha ha Ha ha Ha ha Ha ha Ha ha Ha ha Ha ha Ha ha Ha ha to do that shit again. Yeah, because I wanted to, you know, touch on a couple of things that we've been talking about in the past couple of weeks, but I just wanted to, you know, touch base, not to get into a full-blown, like, debate or argument, but just to, you know, just put a little fucking cayenne pepper on what we were talking about, which was, you know, gun control, and not really gun control, we were talking about that thing that happened in Santa Barbara a couple weeks back, and you know, and that opened up the discussion of gun control, and, you know, having to have some some, some, let me reiterate, some sort of regulation or control, just some. I'm not saying take away America's rights, but I don't think we have enough, and I think that's what it was, and we got into this whole debate. Well, you know, as we're sitting here tonight, only about a few short hours ago, up in Seattle, at Pacific Lutheran University, there was a shooting, and, you know, you know those Lutherans, you know, get a couple drinks in them, grab a pistol. Yeah, and they start Lutheran. Yeah. You get those Lutherans, and they start with their fucking, you know, they start Lutheran. Yeah, like Luther Vandros. No, not like that. That's more loving. Fuck you! I'm Lutheran! Fuck you! Fuck you! Fuck you! Shit's out of control. But anyway, let me just, so it was in Isla Vista is where it was, which is not far from the University of California, Santa Barbara. So, not less than a week after that happened, you have deputies discover huge stash of guns and ammunition in UC Santa Barbara student home. Let me read what happened. Deputies seized seven guns, 1,000 rounds of ammunition and high-capacity assault rifle magazines from a 21-year-old UC Santa Barbara student's Isla Vista apartment this week after he accidentally fired a gun through his neighbor's wall. The cases aren't connected, but it's a little unsettling given that this incident comes on the heels of Elliot Rogers' mass killing spree in Isla Verde. Isla Vista. Isla Verde is in Puerto Rico. By the way, I just had a little Freudian Puerto Rican slip there. You know. Isla Vista last Friday, which is a couple weeks ago, that left six dead and 13 injured. His spree has rocked a tight-knit community and renewed debates about tightening gun control laws. Anyway, deputies arrived at the 6500 block of Pardale Road around 2.30 p.m. on Tuesday after they received a report from a resident there that a gunshot went through the wall of his home, according to a press release from the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department. They questioned his neighbor, Kevin Tim, who told them that he was playing with his Glock 17 handgun and accidentally fired it. Just an accident. Yeah. Who cares? Because usually when I jerk off, I just touch the Glock and it just accidentally just happens to go off. A little Glock cock never hurt anyone. So I'm not going to continue with the article because it's kind of redundant. Well, what's interesting about the article is the deputy seized seven guns, 1,000 rounds of ammunition, and high-capacity assault magazines that he had legally. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That is what I'm talking about. Yo, what you talking about, son? Hey, yo. Can you don't stop? And you want to pass? Yo, tell him what you talking about. I'm talking about the click, click, clack, clack. You don't stop. What I'm talking about is, that's exactly what I'm talking about. You guys last week, you took the fucking stance of, you know, if everybody had more guns, things would be safer. Yeah, that's whatever. But my thing is, this guy's 21 years old. What the fuck do you need seven guns, 1,000 rounds of ammunition, a high-capacity assault rifle magazines? Why not, dude? What are you going to do when the zombies come? Why do people need five cars? Why do people, you know, he's a gun enthusiast. He's a gun enthusiast. He likes guns. Sometimes, why do people need, like, five train sets? Check this out. He's not a gun enthusiast. He's a gun dumb fuck is what he is. Because if he was... Be more careful. If he was a gun enthusiast, he wouldn't have his guns... He's a dumb enthusiast. He wouldn't have his guns and a thousand rounds of ammunition in his closet while he's jerking off or fucking playing with his ball sack. Okay? If he was a gun enthusiast, he'd have those things locked up and he'd be somewhere in the woods where he'd actually be able to shoot them somewhere. Not in a fucking metropolis near a fucking university where something ridiculous just happened. And there are people like that, though. You're, you know, you're acting like everybody is like this kid. They bust this guy and then... It doesn't matter. I want to know this. It's like not everybody eats their McDonald's the same way. It doesn't matter. It does matter. No, it doesn't. What matters is that, like Simon said, all of this was legal. Why or how is it that you can actually gain access to this type of shit legally? I got a better question. That's the problem I have. I got a better question. How is it the police can confiscate it if it's legal? How is it what? The reason why they confiscated it is because he was in violation of having clips that held too many bullets. The reason they confiscated it is because he accidentally shot through the thing. So now he's a suspect for fucking criminal insanity and he needs to be taken in. That could be an accident. He was cleaning the gun or this and that. It doesn't matter. It happens all the time. It doesn't matter. The real reason why he's fucked is because he has what's it called? Clips that carry a lot more bullets. High capacity clips. So he shouldn't have had those. Right. But you know what? He should have been penalized for mishandling his weapon. But in all fairness to him, you never know, right? Because you may want to go into a McDonald's and order a fucking Whopper with cheese. And then go Whopper! And have the guy tell you that it's McDonald's. They only sell Big Macs. And he goes, you know what? I don't give a fuck. I want a fucking Whopper. And just fucking take his high capacity magazines and spray everybody. You never know. He told the cops that he was playing with his Glock 17. How do you play with it? Do you play hide and seek? Do you put it behind the couch cushion and you're like, warmer, colder. Like, what do you do when you play with it? Do you put a little skirt on it like a... He was playing Army. Sometimes people just don't grow up. He was playing Army and he was rolling around on the floor with his fucking gun, doing dive rolls. He was fucking unfortunate. He was unfortunate that he couldn't have just shot him in the foot so he'd really look like an asshole. Can I tell you something? There's something wrong. That's all I'm saying. There's something wrong. There's something wrong with everybody, though. No, no, no, no, no, no. There's something wrong, Rich. There's something wrong. I don't give a fuck. There's something wrong with everything. There's something wrong with that picture. That's why we're talking about it. There's some cock-fucking cock-infested 21-year-old has a Glock. Dude, let me tell you something. What are you going to do? When the zombies come, huh? What I'm going to do is I'm going to jerk off some Puerto Rican champagne right in their motherfucking forehead. That's what I'm going to do. You know what I mean? Then I'm going to grill some burgers in the backyard. You know what I mean? I don't give a fuck about no zombies. I'm going to be like, yeah, yeah, come into my motherfucking house. Yeah. Anyway, so here's the second thing. Here's the second bit of craziness, alright? Sales of gun silencers to U. S. civilians jumped. 37% last year to nearly half a million, up from 360,000 in 2012 and 285,000 in 2011. According to the Bureau of Alcoholics of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, the devices are now so popular that there's currently a nine-month waiting period for registration approval. I thought you couldn't have a silencer. What happened? Dude, you're on the other side of the fence. Don't fucking start asking, you know, logical questions, okay? According to you, everyone should have a gun, and if you're going to have a gun, if I might add, you should have a silencer because if you accidentally are playing with your gun, you don't want your neighbor to get upset if your bullet rips through his fucking wall. Yeah, you don't want to give him a heart attack on the ground. People get so uptight. People get so uptight. You don't want to give him a heart attack before he gets shot. Right. You just want to go... You need the bullet to do the job, not the fucking sound. Right, you just want to go... And then you want to see some fucking hot molten lead fly off his fucking pans or something, or in this case, since he's in a college... People get so uptight. Yeah. Don't ask no fucking retarded questions. Hold on, hold on. Let me bring something to it. Okay, bring it, bring it. All right, now let me just... You had a couple of facts in there, okay, great. But you got one fact. Motherfucker. Because we're not arguing. No, I understand, but, you know, we're not here for facts. The Naples News. We're here for jokes. The Naples News. Go to naplesnews.com forward slash news, blah, blah, blah. This was back in 2013. Naples, Florida or Naples, Florida? Which, by the way, the first... This statistic is from CNN.com and the last one that I read was out of NBC News Los Angeles. All right. It starts off in this so-called gun-shine state, home to the most gun permits. This is Florida. This is Florida. The gun-shine state. This is Florida. Florida. Ha, ha, ha. Yo, are we talking about Naples, Italy or Naples, Florida? Can I read this? Hold on. Fuck off, so you can just suck my cock. All right. All right, here. Home to the most gun permits. Home to the most gun permits in the country. Firearm violence has fallen to the lowest point on record. Right. As state and national legislature consider gun control laws in the wake of last month's Connecticut school shooting, Florida finds itself in a gun violence depression. The firearm involved violent crime rate has dropped 33% between 2007 and 2011, while the number of issued concealed weapon permits rose nearly 90% during that time state records show. Well, what that article fails to tell you is that Naples, Florida is 95% white and Republican. So they all have guns. Are you sure about that? Yeah, I'm positive. And they're not going to whip out their guns to shoot each other. So it's not a problem. You take those statistics to a different part of Florida, like Orlando, where you have blacks and Latinos and you'll see what the statistics would be with white Republicans with armed, legally fucking... So what you're saying is that Florida is the state that should have this law and then other areas shouldn't have this law because of the racial makeup of the area? I don't know. All I'm saying is that statistics, as you know, can be fudged. Exactly. Here's another interesting statistic. No, no, no. And this goes in your favor. No, no, I don't want one in my favor. We got to move on because we got to get to the crux of our show. The crux, the crux, the crux, the crux, the crutch of our show. We got to go into the We got to go into the crux of it. But one last statistic, not related to gun control, but related to affirmative action that we were talking about last week, which, by the way, I was listening to one of our debates that we had, and we were talking in a previous show when, if you remember, I brought forth the issue that Seinfeld was being criticized because on his show, Driving Cars, Getting Coffee with Comedians, however the fuck the name of the show is, that he was accused of just having white comedians on a show. And we were talking about how... White people drink more coffee. No. We were talking about how... White people drive more cars. He should be able to have whatever fucking comedians he wants on a show. And we were talking about the word affirmative action came into play there. So, this is just a spin-off of the last couple of episodes that we were talking about affirmative action and the Michigan Supreme Court passing the 2012 ban on affirmative action in college admissions that just happened a few weeks ago. Maybe a month ago. So, this is a statistic from the Harvard Crimson. This is a Harvard University newspaper. So, the 2023 students Harvard University accepted for the class of 2018 are the most diverse in the school's history. African American students make up 11.9% of the admitted students. Hispanics, 13%. And Asians, 19.7%. This has nothing to do with affirmative action. This has to do with actual qualification of being able to be accepted. So, there you go. There you go. I just wanted to bring that forth so all of us minorities that want to hold on to old views of we need to have a certain amount of percentage of jobs and this and that. College admissions reserved for us or whatever. You need to think above and beyond the box. You know what I mean? You need to go and get your shit and get it no matter what the fuck, however the fuck. And if you don't know what I'm talking about, go to episode 48. This is episode 49 and listen to our discussion on Maya Angelou. Okay? Just listen to that. Pick the fuck up, you motherfucker! Ha ha ha ha ha! Pick up, you fucker! Pick the fuck up, y'all, you poor-eating, McDonald's french fry-licking motherfucker, y'all! Pick it up! Pick up, tall y'all, don't give a shit about everybody else's equal rights! Pick up, tall y'all, racist white motherfuckers in Naples, Florida! Hang it out with legitimate guns! All right, stop fucking around. So, no, well, today, I mean, we have a pretty interesting debate, not debate, but subject. As you may or may not have heard, there was a gentleman for, you know, just to give him the benefit of the doubt. Personally, I think he's a fucking degenerate, but... He's gentle now, because he's dead. Well, he's a degenerate. He was a fucking ruthless, senseless, not giving a fuck about anybody's life individual, American. So, let me just read a little bit of this and we'll get into it. This is, uh, this, this, has to do with, uh, uh, uh, legalized, uh, uh, execution by, uh, lethal injection in America. Uh, in other words, uh, the death penalty. And so, basically, what happened is that, um, this one guy, Clayton Lockett, uh, they were not able to get their, uh, lethal injection medication, aka execution medication formula down. And as, as a result, when they injected this degenerate fuck, he squirmed for about 30 or so minutes, maybe 45, 43, 43 minutes. And, you know, all the, all the liberals, and I say this, man, because I don't, I don't mean to say all the liberals versus Republicans, because everything comes down to fucking black or white liberals, Republicans, but it always seems to be all these fucking pro-right liberal motherfuckers that come yelling and screaming about rights, right? About this guy's rights, that's wrong, how, how he was, you know, if you're gonna kill, you know, this guy's, uh, you know, you didn't kill him properly, he, it was inhumane and all this other stuff. And, and I get it, but it doesn't apply here. Let me read this. 15 years ago, Clayton Lockett committed a heinous crime, said Scott Martell in latimes.com, and last week, so did the state of Oklahoma. Sentenced to die by lethal injection, Lockett, 38, was strapped to a gurney and injected with a new untried cocktail of lethal drugs. Rather than slip into unconsciousness, Lockett writhed, grunted, and bucked in obvious agony. At one point, saying, man, as he tried to get up. After 20 minutes, embarrassed officials lowered the curtains around the death chamber and then announced that the execution would be postponed due to vain failure. Apparently... The following execution will not be seen. In its entirety. Apparently, the drugs didn't fully reach his bloodstream, but Lockett died anyway of a massive heart attack. After 43 minutes of agony, lethal injection was meant to be the humane alternative to the firing squad, the gallows, and the electric chair, said Austin Surratt in the DailyBeast.com. But about 7% of lethal injections have been botched, making it the worst method of execution since the 19th century. The number of states actively executing prisoners has dwindled to nine. Maybe the number of Lockett's death will finally convince the holdouts that no technological magic bullet can civilize this inherently barbaric practice. Look, I'm still a big proponent that executions need to be performed in strip malls. You know, like in outdoor strip malls. Like open for a Justin Bieber concert. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. So, you know, we've already I've already expressed, you know, my who gives a fuck that he lived in pain for fucking 43 minutes. At that point, the way I see it, they should have said, hold on a second. The humane way is not working. It's not working. Just give us a couple of minutes. At that point, what they should have done, they should have got some of those Republicans from Naples, and they should have brought them in. And they should have just... Fuck you. Fuck you. You cocksucker. Fuck you. And your fucking degenerate fucking sperm, the origin of where you were fucking born. Fuck you. Okay? That's how I feel about that. You know, you're talking about fucking humane way. Let me explain to you what this guy did. Let me explain to you. I'm gonna tell you, and I got some actual recording of it. Actually, let me see if I can play it. Right off the bat. Well, you know, I think you're onto something. Hold on. Let me see if it plays. Okay. Well, I was saying, I think you're onto something because, you know, on one hand, we have people on death row and we need to find a nice way to kill them. On the other hand, we have kids in community colleges with Glock 17s that want something to shoot. You take the kids from the college, you line them up, and you shoot, you know, you could sign up. You could win in a raffle. Like, now you... The Naples, Florida, you know, county raffle. Yeah. You get to pick somebody. What white guy doesn't want to shoot us? That's a prisoner. You really get them out of the woodwork. Let me tell you what happened. They actually have a video of him of him being admitting what he did. Let me just see because the video is gonna come up and it's gonna start talking. But give me a second. It's gonna start with... Yeah, yeah, it's gonna start. It's gonna start with a headache. Let me tell you what this guy did. Okay, so this woman, this girl, Stephanie Neiman, right, she's fucking 19 years old, okay? Friends of Stephanie Neiman have no sympathy for her convicted killer, Clayton Lockett, the Oklahoma death row inmate who writhed and groaned during his execution Tuesday, a sentence he received for shooting and burying alive the 19-year-old woman some 15 years ago, okay? Stephanie Neiman was beat up, she was shot, she was thrown in a grave when she was still alive, okay? This is what happened. Let me play his... Let me play his matter-of-fact fucking, you know, his confession. Oh, we got a loan. I love it. Whenever you set up... You got an ad for a loan? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whenever you set up... Oh, turn that up. I need a loan. Well, it... It's something... Unbelievable. Call 1-800-SHARK. I'm alone. 1-800-LOAN-SHARK. Okay, hold on. Hold on. It's coming up. Hold on a second. Hold on. You've been divorced. Courtney Francisco witnessed the Bosch execution Tuesday. Today, Courtney, you obtained the records that outline the chilling details of the crime. Yeah, Linda, I picked it up today here at the Attorney General's office. There are a lot of pages detailing more than a decade Lockett spent behind bars, a DVD came with it. And when I watched that, I heard Lockett describe the horrific way he killed Neiman that night. Smoking a cigarette, Clayton Lockett is very matter-of-fact about how he and two other men buried Stephanie Neiman alive. Oh, I could hear her. I could hear her breathing, you know what I'm saying, and crying and everything. Just two days earlier, Lockett explains how he, his best friend Sean Mathis, and cousin Alfonso Lockett broke into a man's home to rob him. That man was Bobby Bourne. I had a shotgun in my hand and I popped him in the head with the burrow. And he looked and seen the shotgun and calmed down. He said, just don't kill me. He said, you can do what you want to do, just don't kill me and don't kill my son. The men began ransacking Bourne's home. Then Neiman pulled into the driveway to drop off her friend. I said, let's take them out of the country and leave them. And everybody said, no, no, no, we can't do that, we can't do that, we're still gonna get caught. So I said, well, the only thing we can do is take them to the country and kill them. Bourne and the other woman, whose name we are protecting, promised not to tell on the three criminals, but Neiman, Lockett claims, refused to keep quiet. I couldn't convince her for nothing in the world not to tell. He shot her twice with a sawed-off shotgun and watched the other men bury her. Photos inside his prison file show that grave circled in red. Also in the file, a glimpse of his time on death row. He was caught with prison shanks and fought up until the day of his execution when guards ended up tasing him because he refused to leave his cell. I'll be God to answer questions about anything else other than executions. The director of prisons walked out on reporters Thursday who wanted more information on the botched procedure. Do you still wish to go on with this interview? To this day, the only details we have came from Lockett 15 years ago and those who suffered his heinous crimes. Well, I got a question. Go ahead. If a guy points a shotgun in his head and says, are you gonna call the police? What do you do? Yeah, yeah. No, the answer's no. The guy, you call the police. Well, well, well, well. Look, there's a time to stand your ground. You gotta be, first of all. There's a time to stand your ground. I'm not saying it's her fault or anything like that. First of all, first of all. We're not dealing with the sharpest knife in the drawer. First of all, they were three black guys. She's a 19-year-old. She's a little on the hefty side. Maybe she's, you know, tired of being, maybe she's racist. Maybe she's like, black motherfuckers. Maybe she's got chili cheese sauce leaking into her cerebral. Who knows? Cerebral. That's not what we're gonna debate here, right? Cerebellum. Because basically, medulla oblongata, gotta, gotta, gotta, cerebellum. I'm saying, listen. A cerebellum. Don't stop with the lemon. If a guy points a shotgun at your friend and says, are you gonna call the cops? And they say no. And then he points it at a girl and says, are you gonna call the cops? She says no. I understand. And then he points it at you and says, are you gonna call the cops? And you say, yeah. No. Wrong answer. What you don't understand is that, that dude went in to collect, as you heard, an unpaid debt. This girl, Neiman, was driving her co-worker home. Her co-worker goes inside. They rape her co-worker. They coerce her co-worker to call her inside, Neiman. Neiman goes inside. They want her to give them her keys to her truck. She says no. Let me tell you something. At that point, dude, I'm not saying, if it was me, I'd say, I'll suck your dick. Fuck it. You know what I mean? No big deal. But that doesn't take away from the fact that this dude and the other two guys did what they did, right? Absolutely. And what we're talking about here is this degenerate fuck. Have you ever sucked a dick at gunpoint? That could be thrilling. That could be something that people are into nowadays. I've never sucked a dick at gunpoint, but I'm gonna tell you something. If that's one of the last things that I have to do in my life before I go, I'm gonna do it. Fuck it. Because, I mean, you haven't lived. You haven't lived. You know what I'm saying? You really haven't lived. No, you gotta try everything once. Exactly. Even at gunpoint. Yeah, but no one wants that in the coroner report. Well, he was getting, he was blowing the culprit when authorities arrived. Get a throat full of jizz when the autopsy comes out. No one wants that in the coroner report. Well, here's the thing. Here's the thing. But then you get these liberal, these liberal left-wing, because everything in America is either black or white. Either we have some sort of gun reform, or no, everybody should have their guns whipped out and work every day just in solidarity so we can show everybody that it's all right. Listen, I agree with you 100%. The problem is... No backpedal now, motherfucker. No, no, no, listen, listen. No backpedal now, motherfucker. Listen. Yeah, I'm listening. Let's make this an equal opportunity show. Let the white guy talk a little bit. Fuck that, the white guy. The white guy gets to talk all the time, man. Uh-huh, on the ride over here. Now listen. But hold on. I'm gonna let you listen. But then... You're gonna let me listen. I'm gonna let you listen. I'm gonna let you listen. You're gonna let me listen. I'm gonna let you listen. And go for it while you blow it. But what I'm saying, what I'm saying is it's either all or nothing, right? So either we have some, we either have all fucking death penalty or none. And of course, we don't have anybody that's, we don't have all for death penalty. So we gotta have, we gotta push everybody to none. When this is clearly a case that who gives a fuck if he's slithered? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They should've had, I personally think, I personally think that if you get caught and you are, are, are, are, are, what do you call it? You, you are tried and found guilty of that crime, right? Murdering somebody with a shotgun and buried alive. He should have to experience the same thing. I'm sorry. Why should I have to fucking pay? Why should the citizens of Oklahoma that pay taxes, that pay, work really hard, why should they support this fuck for fucking 15 years in jail? Why? Answer me that, Rich. The punishment should fit the crime. You get raped. What's wrong with that? That goes along the lines of you saying everyone should have a gun. I get, you blow someone at gunpoint and then you get buried alive and then we all go for tacos. Okay. We're gonna listen to Rich. Listen to this because this is more Listen to the Republican white guy. This is, no, far from that. But listen, this is what's not going to happen. I don't understand, I really don't understand it. Maybe, maybe you guys can, can, can help me out. But why? Fuck it. People don't want him dead. People do want him dead. Why? What's, who would be against making this motherfucker do hard time breaking rocks out in the hot sun and then the money, you know, they, they earn a little bit of money. No, listen, listen. Why don't they fucking make them do that for their, not that, not this, I'm gonna tell you right now. Not this, not this cozy. Because we don't need rocks. Okay? Okay? America doesn't need rocks. Make them earn it. Listen, what, look, you fucking die, you die, you're done, that's it, okay? You die nicely and swiftly, then, then better, you know, then, then it's better for him. You know why? You know why? if you kill him in a, in a really bad way, like you, you shoot him in the fucking, in the head or, or a botched fucking injection or whatever. Oh, he had to die, it took him 43 minutes to die instead of 15 seconds, right? Who gives a fuck? Why don't you fucking make, this guy, wish he was dead? Why don't you make him do some hard fucking shit, fucking labor? What's wrong with that? No, I'll tell you what you do. What's wrong with that? No, listen, and that's the happy median on this because he's, he's not, he's not enjoying his life, he's not sitting in a cell, he's not sitting stamping out license plates, he's doing some hard fucking labor. Somehow make him clean the fucking sewers. Do some fucking shit that nobody else will do so you're not taking jobs away from anybody, but you're fucking making his life fucking miserable. No, what you do is, don't give him a TV, you give him a newspaper once a month. No, no, no, no, this is what you do. Yeah, make him clean the sewers. Yeah, man, seriously. Why, why, why shorten his life? Make it miserable. Can I tell you something? What's the problem with that? Because the problem is, again, you know, there's a few problems with that, right? The, the, the system, the system is gonna give you a term for your crime, right? So you're gonna get a sentence. Right? 20 to life, 10, 5 to 10, right? And those crimes, we can sit here and argue all day what's wrong with that, why shouldn't he get this, or whatever. Everybody wants eye for an eye, tooth for tooth. You know, the system, the system is, he's on death row. That's the system. So don't put him on death row. Why? Reorganize the whole thing so that he gets, I agree, I agree, I agree, don't put him on death row. You fucking get an, an admitted confession like he did, take him out back in the country, shoot him. Over. How do you fight a lion? do that, put him in a cage with a lion. If you really want some fucking, get some fucking justice on these people, make them suffer. Because they're not suffering when they're dead. Listen, here's the problem, here's the problem, here's the problem with that. You gotta pay, you gotta pay for his meals, you gotta pay for his electricity, you gotta pay for a cop to watch him. What you do is, this is what you do. It costs more. You both got it wrong. You got it wrong. It costs more for a man. You know why? You know why? You both have a point, but you know why? Because the United States of America's justice system needs white, fat, fucking black and white Republican, like Republicans and retarded motherfuckers to work the cell, to work the correctional facility. No, you guys got it wrong. Yeah, so it'll make jobs. Right. It'll give jobs back to the community. Listen, Fuck the jobs in the community. Really, it's what, $300,000 for the average time that, per inmate, while they're on death row. You know, it costs less to put somebody for a life, life term in prison. It costs less to shoot them right then and there. It sure does, but you know what? Because there's so much bullshit in this country about, oh, we got to give them time or whatever. You know, the wait isn't that long. It doesn't take that long to figure out how to kill somebody. Well, it's not the wait. It's that you have these, again, this pro and con fucking, the bullshit. My man just fucking admitted in fucking video. Okay? He admitted. when you get that, then you pull the fucking trigger. Somebody should just walk in and pull the trigger. Fine. I'll agree to that. You guys got it wrong. Anyway. What you do is this. What do you do, Simon? You take them down to the mall. What do you do, Simon? You park outside Forever 21. You get a crowd. You do a sale at Jamba Juice. You bring your kids. Parents, you bring your kids down. You show your kids this is what happens when you fuck up. You want to know how to stop kids from shooting up their colleges? You have an execution outside the Forever 21 or the Express. You do a big sale. You know, you get your Jamba Juice. You get early. You sit your kids down and you watch and you kill the guy at the mall. No, bullshit happens at the mall. We need some real things at the mall. You take them to public institutions. That's what you do. That's it. You hear what I'm saying? They used to do that. They would do that in the middle of the town square. They fucking hang you and draw and quarter you. They fucking hit you. Those are the days. Yeah. You get Frappuccinos. Let me give you the reason. I'm on board with that. The reason why this whole thing came about in the first place. So, let's go back. So, the botched execution was because we don't have the proper concoction, the proper cocktail to inject the proper execution medication or drug to inject these fucks to kill them as per... So, you're telling me Pfizer, who can make our dicks hard, can't make somebody die with a fucking cocktail? No, no, no. What I don't understand is... Whoa, whoa, whoa. What I don't understand is heroin overdose happens to be the number one cause of death amongst I'm not sure. I'm not sure. of retarded white Americans, right? So, why don't you get a couple of Latino heroin dealers, put them in the execution room. Now, the biggest problem here is that the guy was suffering, right? Shoot him up with eight bags of fucking heroin. You'll be howling all the way to his door. Shoot him up with eight bags. Hey, listen here, man. Listen here, boy. Listen here, boy. I got some of that crispy, griddle fucking heroin. I'm gonna shoot you up with tray bags and you're gonna feel like a motherfucking king. Yeah, I got that blue unicorn shit. Mira, papi. Check it. Mira, papi. Mira, papi. Mira, papi. Lo que yo te estoy diciendo es que yo tengo la cosa de manteca pura, papi. Yo tengo la cosa pura, papi. Yo te doy un poquito de esta manteca, brother, y flápete. Tú te vas a ir, pero te vas a ir bien lejos, papi. All the way. All the way. Yeah, the reason Pfizer is not gonna wanna create a drug that's a lethal injection is the whole point of pharmaceuticals is you get them hooked for the rest of their life. There's no repeat customer. Right, right. Oh, there's no repeat customer. You're done. Once you die, you're done. No more customers. There's plenty of repeat customers. They're lining up. Right, you come back. They're lining it up. In fact, Pfizer for sure fucking start a campaign and get some lobbyists, you know, to the White House, you know, to Congress to fucking, to speed up the process to kill everybody. Hi. Do you have an inmate that is on death row and hasn't died quick enough? Well, Pfizer has a solution. Kill him quick. Get it. It's the new Pfizer drug. Get it at your local pharmacy. Your inmate can't afford it. It's not contraband. Bring it inside. Killing him softly with his song. Killing him softly. So here we go. No, no, this is interesting. This is interesting why America can't get those drugs. Okay, so a big reason that last week's execution in Oklahoma was botched is that the new secretive combination of drugs evidently failed to kill convicted murderers. And the big reason Oklahoma and other states have been scrambling to find new lethal combinations or suppliers is that in 2011, the European Commission slapped a Europe-wide ban on exporting pentobarbital, sodium theopentyl, and six other barbiturates to the U. S. because they might be used for capital punishment. And Pop Rocks. You're fucking retarded. Because they might be. You're fucking retarded. You can't get Pop Rocks anymore. Because they might be used for capital punishment, torture, or other cruel, inhumane, or degrading treatment or punishment. In case that wasn't a clear enough message, EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton was explicit. The decision today contributes to the wider EU, European Union, that is, efforts to abolish the death penalty worldwide. That decision, followed once by Britain and other countries, plus individual drug companies to stop selling potential execution drugs to the U. S. So the main reason is that. And the reason, this particular article, I'm not going to go into it because it's kind of dense, it goes on to say that these unions are more Christian, pro-Christian, than the United States. And they don't believe in execution or capital punishment. So in 2011, they announced, they got together and they said, we're not selling the United States any of this stuff. Yeah, well, there's a vigorous debate among Christians about whether or not Jesus Christ would support the death penalty and whether they should support the death penalty, not taking into account the fact that probably the most famous death penalty recipient was Jesus. Can you imagine Jesus coming back and be like, yeah, I think that was a good idea. Yeah. What the fuck's the matter with you people? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let me tell you something, Papi. I come back from the dead because Jesus is poor. Really. I'm Puerto Rican where I come from. You know what I mean? Jesus is an old heroin addict. In your head, does Jesus have a Puerto Rican accent? Oh, no, no, no. Growing up in my head, Jesus was a heroin addict. Listen, Papi. Listen, Papi. Let me tell you something, okay? They killed me incorrectly, okay, Papi? Because I didn't do nothing, okay? I didn't do nothing. I tried to give the bread. I tried to give the wine. I tried to keep everybody in line. I broke the sea in half. I made them walk every fucking thing. I made them walk and they still kill me, okay? That's hilarious. I don't believe in the death penalty, okay? Yeah. Like, gosh, if I were Jesus, what way would I want to kill a Puerto Rican in this locket motherfucker? Well, that article is the dumbest question ever. But, I mean, that's what the article says and they break it down statistically by white evangelist Protestants, by religious groups and ethnic groups and age groups. And at the end of the day, it comes down to say that the European nation are more Christians. Put it this way. The European nations believe that Jesus would not support the death penalty. Even though America have more faith in Jesus. They have a higher religious faith and commitment to Jesus. In America, what is it? 55% of Christians support the death penalty in America. In America, it's torn. That's what the article says. But people say they're Christian or Catholic and they do some fucked up shit. At least in Europe, they have more humanity. They understand. They're a little more real-time humanity. I'm here. It's like, I'm Christian. Get the fuck out of my way. I'm Christian. Fuck you. And they fucking whack their kids. Yeah, but let's not forget about the... Fuck you. I am Persian. Fuck you. I'm Christian. But let's not forget the fact that Europe has historically had a really large problem with executions. Are you kidding me? I.e. the Spanish Inquisition. Spain. Spain. Spain. On the internet, they invented some wonderful torturous devices. They were the most fucking ravishing, torturous, evil motherfuckers. They were some creative motherfuckers back then. Not for five years. That shit went on for a while. Which raises the question, what kind of torture would Jesus endorse? Would Jesus want you on the rack? Would Jesus want your fingernails ripped off? Like, what? If Jesus were here, what would be his method of torture? Listen, we have a very high Jesuit and Jesus following to Nessorius Public Radio, so let's try to keep the religious undertones. And by high, we mean they're really high. Well, no, I did the statistics. But we say we have a really high. No, no, no, no. I did the statistics and there's about 35% of our listeners are Christians. So, you know, in all fairness, we want to respect them. My point is, it's a ridiculous argument. Jesus would not support torture. Jesus would not support the death penalty. Even mercy killings I don't think he would. What's ridiculous is that we're in America and we're going to wrap this up. Okay, so, so, so the European Union does not want to sell us execution drugs. Going back to what you said. You throw them off a cliff like in Greece. Are you serious? Are you serious? Are you serious? So, so basically the only legal FDA approved drugs can only come from authorized drug pharmaceutical manufacturing companies. And as you know, in the United States, none of them would ever touch this. That's why we're going over there. So why can't the fucking judicial system, the correctional facility system have their own, you know, methodology or their own chemistry department to put it together? I mean, I don't understand what's the big deal. So what? You know what I mean? So what if he fucking, you know, slithers and fucking moans for like a week? Fuck it. Because then people would be pissed off that we're paying for a department in the judicial system that is working on killing people. Anyway, you know what? We're going to, we're going to, we're going to revisit this because this is, this is very interesting. The, the, the, the hypocrisy of, because there's more than one hypocrisy thing going on here. You know what I mean? So, you know, no one's going to touch the drugs. No one wants to, no one wants to take responsibility for why and how and should we do this. It's the hip hop of hypocrisy. Hip, hip, hip, you don't stop. Rock it to the tip, the tip, the top, top. Licking on my motherfucking balls, you call the cock. Rock it to the big cock, cock, cock, cock, cock. Call the cops that just shot my Glock through the window of my motherfucking neighbor's room. Boom, boom, when the cops came, they said, yo, I got the motherfucking ammo and go. In stereo. I got a 50 ounce slurpee. What you gonna do for me? You rock to the beat necessarily and you want to say motherfucker fuck with me. You hit to the rhythm because it's viciously. Uh. Ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah, ah. Anyway. Listen, I wasn't ripping on Christians. I was ripping on people that think that Jesus would support murder. No, no, no. We're moving on. We're moving on with that. We're moving on with that shit. We're moving on. Ain't nobody got time for that. Ain't nobody got time for that. All right, so we're gonna. Talk about what happened on U. S. Airways. Yo. What? U. S. Airways. Now, now this is. Okay, okay. Now this is a pet peeve of mine. I travel as you know. I, I, I do maybe. I do things. I do like, you know. I go places. You know, like I do like maybe 10 to 12 round trip motherfucking transcontinental flits. Guys, you know what I'm saying? From New York to L. A. Vista. Yo, you know what I mean? I ride the jet center. I ride the BQE in from Queens. You know, from L. I. E. to the OPP from Queens Bridge. You know what I'm saying? To the motherfucking projects down on 105th Street. You know what I mean? But what I'm. So, so let me tell you what happened on U. S. Air. So, a cross country U. S. Airways flight had to make an emergency landing this week because a dog kept pooping in the plane's aisle. Passengers said they got sick from the stench on the U. S. Airways flight 598 that was headed from L. A. to Philadelphia on Wednesday. They also said that the pup dropped the deuce at least three times. The plane had to land in Kansas City, Missouri so a crew could clean up the mess. Now, here's the problem I have with these fucking, these fucks that have pets and the airlines, the airlines, right? So, as far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong, right? Airlines, the primary purpose for airlines is to transport people, right? From one destination to another, right? Now, do you know that airlines do not have to disclose to you that there are, that there's a dog or a cat in the same flight as you? I'm not talking about cargo. I'm talking about under your seat, above in the fucking, you know. So, if you have an allergy, yeah. So, if you have an allergy like asthma, some sort of a death. In the meal? Well, you may have, you may have some sort of death, you know, life-threatening allergy. Yeah, if you're an asthmatic. You know, you know, motherfuckers are worried about peanut allergies. How about fucking dog shit allergies? Pit bull shit allergies. A lot of what this comes down to is people that need their fucking therapy dogs. Here's the deal. If you need a furry fucking dog, a therapy animal. Or a cat. If you need a therapy animal because you're having trouble coping, can we just agree this isn't the right planet for you? Can I just say something for you? This isn't the planet for you. Can I just tell you something? There's something called UPS or FedEx. UPS or FedEx. Put the fucking dog in a container. Ship them over fucking night. Okay? And fucking meet them at JMK in a baggage fucking aisle. Okay? You take people that need therapy dogs. You take them down to the mall. You bring your kids. You kill them. You line them up. You kill them. Let the dog watch. You bring the kids. What do you need a therapy dog for? Hug yourself. Just peck yourself if it makes you feel better. Therapy dog? Really? You're having that? I can't cope. I need a furry, fuzzy, fuck face fucking thing to sit on the floor of the airplane. Okay. Okay. So I do have a pet peeve about airlines. I do. A pet poof? A pet peeve. A pet peeve. A pet peeve. A pet peeve. A pet peeve. A pet peeve. A pet peeve. A pet peeve. A pet peeve. A pet peeve. I got a pet peeve because my pet peeved on the format of U. S. Airways. So give me my flight back and give me my shit. Oh, got the honey roasted peanuts in. They ain't have to stop and do a landing because the dog shit all over. Oh, shit. Negroes be acting all fucking wiggly worm on me because I don't let my cat and my dog on the motherfucking transcontinental. Yee-haw. You know what I'm saying? Anyway, we got a couple minutes. I just want to read one more fucking thing. We are going to revisit this because I want to do a discussion about airlines and all the bullshit that they got to do this. But this is hilarious. So in New York, a man, this is fucked up, but it's hilarious. A man allegedly beat his wife to death for serving him vegetarian food. Yeah, so all you L. A. folks down to your Trader Joe's and your whole food. Oh, shit. This can happen. So when an elderly Pakistani man is on trial in Brooklyn for murdering his wife after she served him a meatless dinner instead of the goat meat he requested. Where the fuck's the goat meat? Yeah. Prosecutors say Noor Hussain, 75, became violently, violently enraged at his wife over the vegetarian entree and beat her to death in their Brooklyn home. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. I don't want no vegetarian, you fucking bitch. You fucking bitch. You fucking bitch. You fucking posty bitch. Okay? You fucking posty bitch. Well, what's funny is that his lawyer is, for his defense, is saying cultural sensitivity. Clark, his lawyer, told the jury he comes from a culture where he thinks it's appropriate conduct, where he can hit his wife. He culturally believed he had the right to hit his wife and discipline his wife. The lawyer? No, go ahead. Well, but you know, in a lot of the parts of the world, that's acceptable and that's bullshit. But we're in America, right? We're in America. And in Brooklyn, no less. And we stopped doing that back in 1960, 50-something, when the Dodgers left Brooklyn to L. A. Okay, so this is what I propose. Where do you even get a goat in Brooklyn? Yo, yo, yo, yo. Fuck you! Where do you find a goat in Brooklyn? Hey, man, that's my goat. That's my fucking goat. You can find anything. This is what we need to do. Get that motherfucking Pakistani bastard and his lawyer, put him in the same room as fucking all these other death row fucks and clock a dickie. You know what I'm saying? You guys, Shane allegedly beat his wife to death with a wooden stick they found on the street and used it to stir her up. We got 30 seconds? We got 30 seconds. I'm gonna play us out on this, all right? Play us out. 30 seconds. Yeah, 30 seconds. Hold on. 50 minutes of funk. Anyway, so as Rich prepares this, we're gonna wrap it up. Make sure you go to iTunes, go to Nestorius Public Radio, subscribe to our show. Make sure that when you have iTunes, set the preferences and you'll be able to automatically download new episodes. Go to Facebook.com forward slash Nestorius Public Radio. Follow our asses on Twitter, Nestorius NYC. That's at Nestorius NYC. You got that shit? Yeah. Go ahead. Morning. Hey. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Morning. Good morning. Morning. The United States Post Office had to be of service. Hey. Morning. Now, here's a little story I got to tell about three bad brothers you know so well. It started way back in history with that rock. MCA. And me. My team. Been had a little horsey named Paul Revere. Just me and my horsey and a quart of beer. Riding across the land. Kicking up sand. Sheriff's boxes on my tail cause I'm in demand. One lonely beast D. I. P. All by myself without nobody. The sun is beating down on my baseball hat. The air is getting hot. The beer is getting flat. Looking for a girl. I ran into a guy. His name is MCA. I said howdy. He said hi. Hi. He told a little story that sounded well rehearsed. Four days on the run and that he's dying of thirst. The brew was in my hand and he was on my tip. His voice was horsey throwing dry laughing for a sip. He's thinking I get some. I said you can't get none. He had a chance to run. I pulled at his shotgun. Quick on the draw. I thought I'd be dead. He put the gun to my head and this is what he said. Now my name is MCA. I got a license to kill. I think you know what time it is. It's time to get ill. Now what do we have here? And I owe it his beer. I run this land. You understand I made myself clear. We stepped into the wind. He had a gun. I had a grin. You think this story's over but it's ready to begin. I'm ready to begin. I'm ready to begin. I'm ready to begin. I'm ready to begin. I'm ready to begin. I'm ready to begin. I'm ready to begin. I'm ready to begin. I'm ready to begin. I'm ready to begin. I'm ready to begin. Now! Well I got the gun. You got the boo. You got two choices of what you can do. It's not a tough decision as you can see. I can blow you away and you can ride with me. I said I'll ride with you if you can get me to the border. The sheriff's after me for what I did to his daughter. I did it like this. I did it like that. I did it with a wiffle ball but I didn't do it with a gun. I'm ready to go. I'm ready to go back. So I'm on the run. The cop got my gun and right about now it's time to have some fun. The king had rocked. That is my name and I know the fly spot where they got the champagne. We rode for 6 hours then we hit the spot. The beat was a-bumpin' and the girlies was hot. This dude was starin' like he knows who we are. We took the empty spot next to him at the bar. MCA said, Yo, yo, yo, you know this kid? I said, I didn't but I know he did. The kid said, Get ready cause this ain't funny. My mother, she didn't have her, but I have her. My name's Mike D and I'm about to get money. Pulled out the jammie, aimed it at the sky. He yelled, take him out, and let two fly. Hands went up and people hit the floor. He wasted two kids that ran for the door. I'm Mike D and I get respect. Your cash and your jewelry is what I expect. MCA was with it and he's my ace. So I grabbed a piano player and I punched him in the face. Piano players out, the music stopped. His boy had teeth and he got dropped. Mike D grabbed the money, MCA slashed the goal. I grabbed two girlies and a beer that's cold. St рол рол St рол St рол St рол St рол St рол St рол St рол St рол St рол St рол crazy. So I got like a million questions and I'm probably going to go all over the place. But I read that you that you started painting at two. Yeah, actually, yes, I was one of the little kids that you give them a piece of paper and a paper and a pencil or pen and I would draw. Absolutely. And did you have encouragement from your parents? Did you grow up in a single family, a single mom, a single dad, a home or both your parents with both my parents were there? Okay, did you get encouragement from them? Actually, from my older sister, my older sister was really into fashion designing. And in the early 60s, mid 60s, school teachers will come to the homes, you know, they will come in and do like tutoring, which they don't do now. And he happened to be an art teacher. And she, you know, he's giving her lessons and I'm in the living room, playpen in the living room. And, you know, I'm carrying on like, hey, you know, I want to participate. So give me a piece of paper and a pen. And that's how it happened. So you were in a playpen in your pampers and shit and the teacher comes to visit. There were no pampers then. They were cloth. They were the real deal. Cloth diapers with those big ass pins. Yes. I think they discontinued some shits in like 1973. Yeah, too many piercings. Now it'd be fine. Now it works. Now you can have piercings in your eyes. I also read that. You were not formally educated as an artist. Correct. I was not formally educated. So I find that interesting, especially. Well, here's the other question I have. And we'll tie it all in there. I know a lot of guys who started doing street art or graffiti. And a lot of guys who have become, you know, professional artists like you and make a living prefer not to be called or associated necessarily as a graffiti artist. Right. Well, I mean, you know, there's this whole thing about graffiti and the street art. There's two different forms that one branched off the other. A lot of the street artists are actually college educated kids. You know, they saw graph and this had to go to Rhode Island School of Design or whatever. And they took a different take on it. And, you know, it's easy to take a stencil and a can of paint. You know, go around doing these little things all around the city. Whereas with us, 10 cans, we do one piece and we're done. Right, right. So you're saying that like graffiti from its inception back in the late 60s, early 70s was more of a exploration and an evolution. It wasn't really an art form yet. Well, I mean, the early, early, early stuff, you know, like the late 60s, early 70s, that, you know, it was still in its infancy. So, and people keep forgetting that graph, the original concept was to be famous. You know, like. Look at my piece. It's the best. It's the best. It's the best. So as it progressed, as it grew, it got fancier and more colorful and more stylized. And the trains, you know, when they started doing all the buffing was sort of like the decline of it. And then the street artists, you know, the street kids, they took it to a different level. They're still with the fame idea, but now they were able to multiply it, you know, and do more with less. Replicate a specific image. Like guys like Shepard. Shepard, right. Right, right. So it was, I mean, it was ingenious. Right. And I mean, I like the concept. I love the whole, the whole thing of it. And it's, you know, it's very different. Right, right, right. So it was a different form of branding and a different form of mass producing your image. Right. So that you can become famous that way as opposed to painting one train and hopefully not having the MTA Buffett long enough so people could see it. Correct. And also it, it, it. The thing about it also, it homogenized, you know, it made it palatable. People, people in offices can hang a Shepard Fairey, you know, because it's whatever it is. It's more commercially accepted. Absolutely. Whereas graffiti back in the seventies, that was a crime. And that was. Shedding to your face. And also it was, there was a lot of negative connotation to it. Correct. What do you think about, like, I remember, you know, I'm a native New Yorker and I come to New York and I go back and forth from L. A. to New York. Correct. And I remember the first time I started seeing the floor to wall and ceiling wrap around on the inside of the shuttle going from Grand Central to Times Square. And I remember seeing what the fuck is the difference between this mass commercialization of bullshit. There is no, the difference is that we didn't paint it. That's the big difference. They decided to hire someone and do it. Right, right. That's what it is. Right. Because if you look at trains in the seventies, you will notice, you know, tags, which is completely different than, than. You know, piecing, writing stuff outside of the trains. But if you look at, at the inside of the trains, like the shuttle or the number, whatever, number six or whatever, they were completely covered in tags and black, black ink. And when I look at that, if I was to step aside and look at it from an arbitrary perspective, it almost looks like the same shit. Yeah. You know. It very much is. I mean, again, the difference is it's printed and wrapped. Right. That's it. Right. Right. I actually find. The commercialization, the printed and wrapped stuff a little bit more offensive because coming from and growing up in New York, you know, I'm always looking at things from a sociological and racial perspective. You know what I mean? And again, you know, if, if, you know, if there's money involved in commerce to be made, then it's okay. Especially if it's from a legitimate source. Exactly. So what happens is you go to Macy's. Macy's, we want to give you $3 million, you know. To design a condom case. An MTA. You know. And the MTA is, is, is, you know, they need money. Right. You know, so $3 million, you know, for one week and, you know, whatever. And let's do it. So what do you mean the MTA needs money and Macy's? The transit authority, they need money. You know, they're, they're, they're, they're busted. They're broke. They're always needing money here. That's why they did it. Well, I mean, most people don't know this, but the MTA is not a government agency. It's a privatized agency. Correct. And, and what happens is, is that they always rely like states and cities on the federal government to subsidize. They're booked. Bullshit. Right. And the thing is, you know, this is another complete, completely different topic. But it's related in a sense because it's about responsibility. Right. You know, it's about, you know, you get money and you, to spend it and to use it wisely and you should be held accountable. Yes. That's why the MTA is busy taking all the old trains and dumping them in the ocean to create artificial reefs. What the heck? All that money spent. Is that what they're doing? Yeah, man. Yeah. All the old trains, what they've done is they, they've taken them and they dropped them off the Jersey shore. Great artificial reefs. Wow. All right. So you're talking about billions in the ocean? Yeah. But I mean, it's also, it's also mismanagement, you know. Absolutely. That's the, that's the big one. Yeah. You know, it's like I'm, I'm reading in, in, in this news magazine about how California, for instance, now has a surplus of cash. A fucking surplus. Meanwhile, if you look at the price of gas, you would think about maybe, and I'm, and I'm talking on my ass when I say this. But. I mean, let's say 15% of what you're paying is in fucking tax. Like in New York. Like, like in, like, and, and those taxes are used to offset, you know, basically the, the, the municipalities need to raise money. And where they're going to raise the money, where they're going to tax, you know, wherever they can the most. Drivers, workers, cigarette smokers here in New York. So wherever they can tax you, they're going to tax you. You know what I mean? And now they're doing the internet tax. Well, that's another bill that they're trying to pass. Internet sales tax. Yeah. That's another, that's another thing. I mean, I mean, I just find it interesting how, how in the seventies and I think the buffing system started what in the early eighties. No, uh, mid seventies. Oh, mid seventies they started buffing? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah. And so, so, so they got a little bit more fancier as the, as the years went on. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, so I find it interesting that, uh, in the, in the seventies and sixties and eighties when the graffiti movement came about. Yes. And it's, there's a criminal element to it because you have to trespass and a lot of it, you know, most of the kids that were doing it weren't working. So they didn't buy the straight spray paint. Well, that was, yeah, absolutely. I mean, if you go to any hardware store right now, um, and you notice that there's, uh, the paint can section at home Depot, wherever they're all locked. It's not because, you know, you have to be 18 or over to smell the aerosol. It's because motherfuckers used to steal this shit and it goes back to that. Yeah, absolutely. And right now I'm 52 years old. I need to show them my license in order to buy the paint. Here in New York. Yes, sir. Really? Yeah. Doesn't matter who you are. You got to show ID to buy paint. That's funny. You can be, you can be in the Walker. You got to show ID. Yup. You can come with your grandmother and she like, we need the ID. Do they register your ID or is this just, they just do it. It's it's by law. Got it. Got it. Back, back in, uh, in, back in the West coast. Uh, yeah. You, you don't need ID. If you look old enough, they let you go. They let you go. So at what age about, did you, uh, uh, take your passion for wanting to express yourself on a grander scale and then start, started painting on trains and whatnot? Well, I started doing the walls and around my neighborhood about when I was 13, 13, 14 walls, murals. Yeah. Right. And then, um, 75 was the first train I did. That's 75. So I was, I was. Uh, 16, I was 16, 15, 16. Wow. And, and how did you, who was your inspiration? I know you mentioned there were a couple of cats in your neighborhood that were, that were established, uh, subway, subway art, uh, painters, but like, I mean, there's no formal apprenticeship for this. It's not like you go, I want to do this. No, no, no. The formal apprenticeship. No. Um, you pick it up on the streets, like break dancing. That's, that's your formal apprenticeship. So, so, so it evolves. Uh, uh, in a sense or in a way, uh, uh, as an activity that you do to, you know, uh, keep yourselves occupied and out of trouble, so to speak. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, although it was illegal, it was a form of trying to keep us away from getting, you know, I mean, we grew up in pretty hardcore neighborhoods. So, um, everybody, every one of us knows more than two or three, you know, junkies, prostitutes, just two or three. Well, I mean, uh, generalized. Yeah. Um, but you know that, you know, so we all know that, that, that type of lifestyle that we come from. Um, so graph was, was the mildest, the easiest, uh, it was a way to, uh, uh, prevent or avoid more serious crimes, robbing, killing, mugging, smoking drugs. Yeah. Right. Two, um, easiest things. And, and graph was easier. You know, you didn't have to like train, you know, eight hours a day to. To stuff, to, to, to, to, you know, kick a ball, whatever. Right. Right. So we, I mentioned, I mentioned earlier graffiti artists versus, uh, just artists. What, what is. No difference. There's. No difference. No. Graffiti artists and artists is the same. It just so happens that we work, you know, with a different medium. So then, so then, but then why, uh, such a negative connotation? Well, the deal with spray paint is because it's so immediate. People couldn't understand that. I, you know, I could take a can just to my name on a corner and they found that offensive, but guarantee that if, you know, I'm walking around with a, with a, with a pallet and acrylics, you know, and just do my thing, it wouldn't bother, you know, it was the, the random act of it is what I think was what put people off. And then, um, the fact that everything was stolen. I mean, we used to steal the acrylics and the brushes too, you know, and markers. So it doesn't, it didn't make a difference, but it was, I think it was the random act of it that, that was offensive. So, so then, so then why. Why in the eighties, a guy like Keith Haring comes along and starts doing granted, he got arrested a bunch of times too. Right. Right. But when I, when I'm about to say comes from a socially accepted, uh, form of art, you know, he, he had gallery, uh, showings and he was, uh, more socially accepted within the downtown art scene. And so again, I look at this, uh, these issues. And it's kind of like from a sociological racial. It was a different type of language. I mean, we were in your face. Here we are. Check us out. This is our names. Keith was in your face, but he had off a language all of his own. And I mean, a lot of us just, you know, we got, we got along well with him and we were in, you know, we went to it and his languages was a lot different. And I mean, I still remember the, um, when they did the memorial for him at St. John the Divine wherever we're speaking. You know, he mentioned that Keith was. And he mentioned a bunch of people. And I'm not saying it's all about the people who are on the back of the back of the back. He mentioned that Keith was, and he mentioned a bunch of us because it was important to him. And it was very important to Keith that he was part of that. Well, I could see that you guys inspired him. Yeah, absolutely. I know a lot of his history from Pennsylvania art school to doing all sorts of stuff. He's a very smart guy. And I remember being turned on to him. Sight track. What is that? A friend of mine is a grave digger. Oh, wow. So he says, you can fit in here. That's funny. So Crash just showed me a picture of a grave and a freshly dug grave. So could you buy that if you wanted? Could you hold that on reserve and shit? Yeah, well, I think he probably has a couple of bodies going in today. Got it. Oh, wow. That's crazy. That's crazy. So. So has anybody ever commissioned you to paint a grave marker or a tombstone? That would be pretty dope. That would be crazy. That would be dope. That would be fucking dope. I might think of that. Except I'm not going to be married. I don't believe in burial. I believe in cremation. Anyway. I'm going that route, too. You are? You're going that route? Yeah. Good, good, good. So anyway, we just went on a completely different side. A rabbit trail? A rabbit trail. Rabbit trail. Rabbit trail. That's funny. A whole different thing. Well, I mean, it's kind of related because Keith passed away. In the early to mid-90s, right? 1990. 1990? February 90. Yeah, yeah. He died of AIDS. God bless Keith. I was a fan of Keith's work. What I was saying was I remember when Keith Haring came about. Of course, no one knew who Keith Haring was. All you saw was the chalk drawings inside of the unpostered MTA billboards. The aspen. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was interesting because you'd be on the train, kind of like what you guys are doing with the big murals on the train. It was like, wow, what is that? Who is that? And I think that is the point of art. I think art is supposed to provoke thought and question. I think. I mean, that's any type of art. I mean, Rosenquist, he was quoted as quoting graffiti, was it? A lively bouquet from South America as it rolls by the station. That's great. That's what he called it? That's what he called it. So. What's your relationship with James Rosenquist? I think more than anything is the way I paint. You know, that his positioning of imagery, it's like taking a collage and just putting it in a blender and see what happens. I mean, I think he's absolutely amazing. Totally underestimated. Undeservedly. You think he's underestimated? Yeah, I think so. I mean, you got someone like Warhol. I mean, you know, Warhol's not around anymore. And Rauschenberg and Jasper Johns, where the pieces are going to the roof. Right. I think he's very undervalued. Right, right. Okay. So you're saying undervalued in the commercial art market. Correct. Yeah. I mean, I didn't even know. First of all, you're an inspiration to me. No, no, no. No, seriously, as an artist. You know, because I started painting in 2003 or something like that. I mean, like you, as a kid, I used to draw. Right. And the reason I asked you about if you had gotten support from your parents was because I don't think I got that type of support. Latino parents don't do that. You know, they initially think that art is like, you know, bourgeois. It's like, that's not going to pay the bills. Or is it? You need to go to school and you need to get a job and become a mechanic or a plumber or whatever. Right. It's going to help, you know, put the money in. Because art is not a career. Art is not a career, according to them. Right. You can't make a living. So what's the point? Exactly. It's not legitimate. What are you doing with your life? That's it. It's like being an actor. The same type of thing. Right. Parents, you know, Latino parents are like, what? You know, what are you doing? What? You know. KK, acting. Why don't you act like you're cleaning your room? I don't. Well, that's one of the differences in what I know about success and early success is encouragement and, you know, somebody validating what you do. Right. Yeah. And validating that, wow, that you have potential. Validating is a really good word. Right. Right. Especially with Graf. You know, the only few in the very beginning, someone like Charlie Ahern. Right. And Jane Dixon. Right. Who absolutely considers us peers. Which was like, you know, like, wow. I mean, to this day, you know, I say it openly that if it wasn't for Jane Dixon, you wouldn't be around. Really? How's that? Well, Jane Dixon approached me. Well, I met Charlie when he was scouting locations for Wild Style. Right. I met him with Fab Five Freddy. Right. And we met. There's a place called Fashion Moda. Right. Never knew what the place was. And I lived in the neighborhood. So I went to the place. I met him there. What is Fashion Moda? Fashion Moda was a nonprofit gallery in the South Bronx that specialized in all types of art. Their whole theory was anything goes. You know, it's very interesting. Very radical. Yeah. We're talking about. Very radical because you're talking about the South Bronx. Yeah. Most people don't know about the South Bronx. This is the early 80s, right? Like 82? No, we're talking about. They opened in 79. Fashion Moda opened in 79. Yes. And when did you become hip to Fashion Moda? When was this? 1980 to 81. Well, 1980 because 81 was when I did the big graffiti show. At Fashion Moda. Yes. Well, it's radical. That's a radical thing. So continue with Jane Dixon and Charlie and all that. So, you know, Jane was married to, is married to Charlie. And we met anyway. So she asked me if I would be interested in painting an installation she's doing. She was doing a human maze. She took cardboard and created a maze. And you had to walk through it to get to the middle. And in the middle, she had like a table with cookies and stuff. And you had to try and get yourself out. So it was a big maze. So I painted all the walls and all the cardboard. Oh, wow. And that was like my first. Exposure. Exposure to doing something within a space. And when they did the invite, you know, she had me in the invite with my name. Like, wow, check this out. So then from there, Stephan Ines, who ran Fashion Moda, approached me about doing a show. It's a show. But then I didn't want to do a show on me. I had to do a group show. And so, again, if it wasn't for Jane and then, you know, the whole thing I did, and then the thing with Stephan Ines, we wouldn't be talking today. Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, that is very radical because no one wanted anything to do with the South Bronx. And, you know, at that time. Yeah, especially. And right about that time, Carter was leaving office and Reagan Amos was making his thing. So it was a huge thing. It was a huge, huge moment. Yeah, absolutely. So Google Fashion Moda, and that's M-O-D-A, and Google Stephan Ines, very important in the historical content of street art. Because it wasn't just you. It was a lot of guys, guys like Lee. Keith Haring. John Fechner. Oh, man, Barbara Kruger. Jenny Holzer. Wow. Well, John Ahern. That's crazy. Yeah. Tom Aronis. Tom Aronis. So we're talking about. You know, who's who. Yeah, but a lot of people don't really know a lot about these guys. John Ahern has been my neighbor for, God knows, almost 20 years or some shit here in New York City. John Ahern happens to be the twin brother of Charlie Ahern, who happens to be the director of probably the quintessential hip hop movie encompassing graffiti, breakdancing, and rap music, Wild Style. Wild Style. And how did you get involved in Wild Style? Through Jane, obviously? Well, yeah. You know, again, I was with Charlie, and we were scouting locations. And there's a true story. When Charlie started writing the script, he had told me that the script was originally written about me. You know, it takes places off Bronx. I had an older brother who was a Vietnam vet, and so the movie's the same type of thing. Eventually, I was supposed to do the part. I lead it. But I didn't want to do it because I wanted to be involved on Broadway on the Twilight Fog play, which was at the same time. Oh, right, right, right. Where you guys actually painted. Yeah, live on Broadway. Live on. You guys painted canvases the backdrop for Twilight Fog. Right, the way it winds up. As we painted, the canvas would unwind and go all the way to the top. So at the end of the performance, you see our names really large. Dope. Yeah, it was very cool. So that was happening at the same time as the movie, and I felt the Broadway play was more important for me. Uh-huh. And that's why I did that, and they talked me into doing it. So they changed it up a little bit, but the actual storyline is based on me. Nice, nice. That's very interesting because you could have been indoctrinated or, you know, etched as the main character of the quintessential hip-hop movie of our generation. Yeah. Instead, you chose to do something. A good role. A little bit. A little bit. A little bit. A little bit more sophisticated. Well, I mean, I mean. Well, yeah, I guess you could say that, but that wasn't. It was just, I just felt, to me, the Broadway thing was a little more thought-provoking. It was a little more interesting. Right. I mean, to do a movie, you know, my thinking is you could do, you know. Anybody could do a movie. Correct. I mean, meaning you can do a movie anytime. Correct, correct. And you were in our movie, Acts of Worship. Yes. Which is awesome. But my wife, my wife. She got you. She wanted to get everybody she could to do a part in the movie. And you're a guy on the payphone. And you wind up, I mean, you have a distinguished voice like myself. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you hear your voice right away if you know, if those that know your voice. Oh, yeah, yeah. Trust me, yeah. So, so, so I want to go back. I want to go back and not to dwell on it, but just curious as to the. The ramifications. The ramifications. Not the ramifications per se, but like the consequences of having to. How you got your materials to do your murals on the subway so that people can know who you are. You stole everything. The ramifications of that. Well, there's two ways you can look at it. One, you can see how easy it is to steal stuff and you become a klepto, you know, and start stealing stuff left and right, which a lot of guys did. And forget about painting and just say, fuck it. The stealing shit. It's better. Yeah, because you can turn around and I can steal a sheepskin coat from like Herman's sporting goods store. Go down the block and sell for 50 bucks. I'm like, yo, 50 bucks in 1978. It's a lot of money. Yeah. So like, all right, so I can turn around, you know, buy me a couple of Adidas. I'm good. Next week, go out and buy or go steal a down coat. Sell it. Get me a leather jacket, you know, and on and on and on. I mean, we used to, we used to, I mean, from Steve's baby, we used to steal steaks. You used to steal steaks from where? In the mid 70s. Yeah. Um, steak and coffee became very expensive, almost prohibitive in, in, in, in South Bronx. Because no one could afford it. Yeah. It was crazy expensive. So we used to, we used to steal steaks and coffee. And sell them to get money to buy paint. Go down the block. Like, yo, coffee for like a dollar. That's funny because I did a, I did a, uh, uh, one of my episodes, I think it's episode two or three was about Tide, how people are stealing Tide to sell because Tide costs about 20 something dollars for 150 ounce, uh, container. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. affordable that you know it doesn't make sense well it does make sense it does make sense because in terms of making the money but does it make sense that you're gonna put something so you know and then try and sell it on 138 street you mean like steaks and coffee yeah just like but but for instance you go to puerto rico i don't know when's the last time you went there coffee is behind fucking locked cages and steak is very expensive because i mean a lot of our family aren't you know made of money so when so when you know you go to visit your brother and they pull out steak with rice you're like that's like a huge honor because it's so expensive right right that's a puerto rican term by the way a latino term you're not made of money my grandmother used to be like turn that light off you're not made of money that shit is hilarious uh i don't know anybody who's made of money ma yeah no one is that's funny that's funny but that's you know that's a that's a very interesting socio-economic uh thing whereas you know things have to be locked up because as as as a as a uh uh what do you call it as currency you know currency isn't just money currency is what you can sell yeah exactly you know it's it's like it's a bargaining chip exactly that's what a bargaining chip correct so like if if if a pound of bostelo coffee can yield me two dollars right correct i'll steal a pound of bostelo coffee because that shit is easy to sell yeah it's like uh our big thing was also stealing our cheese the government cheese they took them check it out they used to they used to they used to give out these blocks of cheese that were maybe 18 to two feet 18 inches or two feet wide right and what we did we should steal it and go steal it from the truckers steal it from the from from where they store them oh wow and then we used to go to the grocery stores and they would give us 15 20 because they sold they made the sandwiches by the time they slice all that cheese cheese, they'll make $200, $300 in a day. Yo, that's hilarious. Let's get that again. By the time you slice that block of cheese, you'll make $200, $300. That's a fucking huge piece of cheese. Well, think about it. What was a quarter pound cheese was what, like $1.50? I have no idea. You're talking about two foot cheese. Because nobody bought a pound of cheese. No one made the money. Everything was like a quarter pound salami, quarter pound ham, quarter pound cheese. Also, back then... There was no Swiss. It was white Americans or yellow Americans. And back then, you pretty much bought what you were going to use. Correct. No leftovers. Right. You're not going to buy 50 pounds of fucking this, 50 pounds of that, and then two months later, you got to throw it out. Our families were very... Yeah, I mean, and I know I'm like that to this day. I don't buy a lot of groceries. My wife does because we got kids, but I buy what I'm going to use for the next two or three days. That's it. And then when it runs out, boom, we got more. Me too. And I'm a big fan of not throwing away food. I mean, my wife and I go out to eat a lot and just, you know, the new thing is we've been splitting stuff. Because you can't eat a whole fucking steak. You know what I mean? No, but I'm saying it comes down to she can't eat a whole steak and then I'm going to have to eat her half and mine. You know, stuff like that. So, you know, being... And being a little bit more conservative because, I mean... That's being green. It is being green and it's being mindful and thoughtful. It's being mindful of, you know, resources. Well, you know, remember they used to tell us there's little kids in China starving. That's what we used to be told. You're not made of money and eat all that because there's somebody who's starving in China. Yeah. And you know what? We didn't realize it, but kids are very conscious of that today. Well, they should be. Yeah. You know, I'm a big fan of just doing my part. You know what I mean? I remember when I was a kid in Puerto Rico, I was washing my hands and I had the water running. Don't do that. You wet your hands, take the soap, turn it off, and then turn it back on when you're ready to rinse. Thank you. And my uncle said, turn that off. You're wasting water. And plus, in Puerto Rico, we didn't pay water in New York until recently. So in Puerto Rico, you have to pay for everything. Right. So, since that time, exactly what you said. I wet my hands, lather up, turn the water off, lather up. Same thing with a shower. I wet myself, lather up, and then rinse myself off. I know it sounds crazy because some people love to stay in the shower for like hours. I do five minute showers. I'm in. I do what I gotta do. I'm out. And you know, my kids are like, five minute showers, man. You know, Terry. That's hilarious. So now, here's the thing. I went back to college. I started college in like 1983. And then I left college in 85. Anyway, I got a Bachelor of Arts in Visual Arts. And I got that over a course of, I don't know, maybe eight, nine years. You got it. Yeah, absolutely. I got it. But I mean, the reason being was I started college. I didn't know what I wanted to do. It was a community college. Then I got into an electrician's apprenticeship program. I became an electrician. Then I went back to school. I thought I wanted to do labor law. And then that was not what I wanted to do. And then I wound up taking all of my life experiences within painting and photography and put it into a degree. But what I'm going to get at is there was a big, big emphasis on art history to get a degree like that and to be an artist. And I was always of the school of thought that if you want to be an artist, just be an artist. But how do you feel about the relationship between an artist and art history? Well, I think it goes hand in hand. I mean, I don't think you have to be stooped into it. Stooped so into it. Steeped. Thank you. Because a stoop is where you sit at when you play baseball. But the stoop is when you could be stooped into too. Yeah, when you're stooped into it. I think it's important that you know some of it because some of it is incredibly important. But I don't think you should be motivated to take so much of it to get a degree. What's the point? Well, I mean, I don't know. I mean, I keep having. He had no historical other than hieroglyphics. The only thing you can think of is Dubuffet maybe? That, you know, and it's like, and that's like, well, you know, but I mean, because it's, you know, sort of like that, that linear type of thing. So he's a good example of that, you know, and the pop artists, you know, like James Rosenquist, Andy Warhol. Yeah, what they lean on. They, well, a lot of them were like failed abstract expressionists, you know, because that came in and then all of a sudden they clicked, you know, something clicked in them independently and it just took off. So, I mean, now looking back, not when you first started uh, acting, um, and taking art as a serious thing, which I want to get to that in a second, because I believe you've always taken art as a serious thing and I want to know at what point, but you, you have a, a decent amount of, of knowledge on art history. I mean, you mentioned James Rosenquist, Rauschenberg. I know you, you implement some of Lichtenstein's, uh, techniques in your work. Um, and when I mentioned that you were an inspiration to me as an artist, I mean, I remember seeing your work and I'm like, wow, that's exactly what I wanted. I want to be doing. I love that. I love, I love the way your letters pop, your colors pop, your, your, your images pop. I love the way you, you, you can't really see that image a hundred percent, but that it's part of the whole picture. And, you know, again, it provokes art. Like, what is that? Is that an R? Is that an I? Is that I supposed to mean this or whatever? And I love that. And, and, and that's, that's what I love about art in general. You know, when I first started going to museums and looking at, uh, even let's say Rauschenberg, when he first started doing sculptures, I used to say, what the fuck is that? A paper bag with a rope on the floor. How's that art? But it's art because it provoked the question of what is that? Right. I mean, the thing with me, you know, just. I, I, I learned, I self taught myself all this stuff about art history. I mean, when I, I saw something like, wow, this is really cool. I mean, we didn't have Google. So I went out and, you know, went to library and like, try to figure out who this person is and learn about it because there's a cemetery. Um, then like the pop artists, you know, we're sixties kids. So that was part of our, our, our walk, whatever you want to call it. Um, I wasn't into, uh, uh, the, the minimalist stuff in 70 cause I was just interested in that. So, so, so, you know, you, you learn all this as, as you're going through life. Um, you know, it's, it's like, um, um, you know, you probably have a favorite writer or favorite poet. I love Robert Frost. I learned that about that because I saw something, someone like, wow, this is really interesting, look it up. So, you know, it's. If, if you don't do that. Yeah. There's an old saying, was it, if, if you stop learning, you start dying. So it, you know, it's, I think it's a point that you, you need to broaden yourself because if you stay in one spot, then you can't teach the world. What you want to do. Right. In other words, you can't be stagnant and the way, and the way to not be stagnant is to constantly evolve. And the only way you can evolve is by learning and opening yourself up to ingesting different things and ideas. You have to, because, um, um, that's what humanity is, you know? It's, it's, it's an everything, you know? And, um, um, I can't, I can't sit and just like watch TV, you know, it has to, it has, there has to be a point to it. You mean you don't watch like the, the world's retarded housewives of Mumbai? I couldn't even tell you who they are. Come on, man. I don't, I don't watch American. I don't know. I mean, either. I've never seen one episode. The only reason I saw the voice this season is because we had a friend from our church, this 18 year old girl that was like, she made the top 16. So now we're texting her, yo, you did good. You know? So she's out. So that's it. I'm not, I don't even care what's on anymore. Right? No, I'm with you on that. So, um, and I don't even watch sports because it's, you know, so much of it's corrupted and you know, you don't know what's going on. So I'm a, I'm a, I'm an old movies buff and you know, and if something's interesting, I watch it. Yeah. Yeah. I'm also an old movies buff. Um, you turned me on to, was it Burt Lancaster? The movie about him being a priest. Yeah. Uh, I'm a Gant, Elmer Gantry. That's a good movie. You want to remake that movie? I want to remake that movie. I spoke to your wife about it. Why do you want to remake that movie? I love the movie, by the way. I think, um, it's still, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, relative, uh, very relative and very important subject matter because it's putting your trust in something, putting your faith in something. And he's an alcoholic. He's a, he's a loser and a user. And he was, he was, uh, uh, yeah. A womanizer. Yeah. Uh, he's a hustler. He's a hustler. Um, and that's, that's everybody we know right now. So, you know, I was thinking, man, we could do that movie. And I spoke to John. And he said, yo, if you can make this happen, I'm in it. I'm with it. John who? Uh, Leguizamo. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah, man, we got to have a point. I spoke to some people with Smith-Barnie and they're ready to back it. Oh, really? Yeah, but we just couldn't get the right writer. Actually, that movie can be done for a fairly decent budget. So, John, uh, Leguizamo, he said he'll do it for 1.5 mil. That was his, that would be his pay? I, I, back then. Doesn't he owe you money for a painting? Yes, he does. I mean, he owes you money for a painting. You got it. You gave him a painting. He never paid you for the painting. That, the value of that painting has, you know, uh, quadrupled. Well, quadrupled. It's gone up about tenfold. Yeah. You know? That's him. So, you went to school with John Leguizamo in Queens? Uh, no, we went to a school downtown. Mary Bertram High School. Mary Bertram. That high school is no longer, no longer in existence, is it? Yeah, it's still there. It's still there. Awesome. So, from the South Bronx or from the Bronx, you went to high school in lower Manhattan? Which a person from the South Bronx never does. Correct. A kid, a kid from the Bronx goes to school in the Bronx, marries a girl from the Bronx, lives in the Bronx, never goes to Brooklyn, rarely travels. Keep that shit local. Yeah, that's a fact. You married a girl from the Bronx? Yes, from the projects. From the projects. And you've been married a long time, huh? We're going to be 25 years, yeah. Wow, 25 years. So, you're a prolific, highly successful artist. You're a highly successful husband. I don't know about that part, but yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no. You're Puerto Rican and you're married 25 years. That's like a straight up anomaly. I say this, I said this to a friend of mine and he laughs at it, but 25 years, right? If you're alive or in jail, don't you get paroled? Yeah, yeah. Don't they give you a suit and $15? I'm not sure what they give you anymore, but this is my 20th wedding anniversary year myself. All right, so you got five more years before you get paroled. Yeah, yeah. Well, I have a theory. Seriously, I have a theory about marriage. People nowadays, they get married. And then they get divorced in like a year, two or five. You know what I mean? And they make the rest of us guys that stick with it look bad. You know what I mean? I think that the government should give us a stipend for every year that you're married. Both the man and the woman, right? Yeah, but see, them getting divorced is what keeps the law institution making money. The divorce law institution. Yeah, but I'm saying they should have like a... It's the economy. We're not supporting the economy. But I'm saying... They should have like, you know, a married man islands fund. You know, like you get to go on a vacation, just the guys. Well, that's what I'm talking about. That's called parole. That's your parole. Yeah, I don't even get that. I don't even get a watch. That should be funded by the government, though. Like, I mean, you know, and these fucking people, they get married for two, for like a year or two. Like these famous people. I don't even want to mention their names because they're retarded. You know, and then that's news. You know what I mean? 72 days, yeah. 72 days, that's news. 72 days? That person should contribute to that married man island fund. You see what I'm saying? I got you. There should be some sort of a penalty. All right. So, penalty. I'm serious. I want to talk about Eric Clapton. All right. I've met Eric Clapton. I love Eric Clapton. Anybody who knows of Eric Clapton's music, come on. What's there not to like? The man's a fucking genius. You know what I mean? So, I read that you met Eric Clapton, what? In the 90s or something? Or early 2000? No, I met him 1996. 96. A friend. He was looking to do some sort of collaboration with street art. Correct. He was actually, he had just finished recording a CD of like street music, beats, all this, you know, weird stuff with a producer and a collaborator. And he had come to New York to shoot areas for video. And he had heard about me. He wanted to try and see how he could meet me. So, he was in a restaurant with one of his managers. And, you know, the conversation came up. My name came up. And it turns out that one of the stewardesses, one of the... Waitresses. Thank you. Wrong airline here. The waitress was a friend of mine. Oh, wow. So, you know, she said, look, I know him. I know how to get in contact with him. So, she called me. And she said, look, a musician I know wants to contact you. Can I give you a number? I said, sure. So, she did. And then she called me back and told me who it was. I'm like, yeah, right. A musician. Yeah. So, the following morning, he called me. So, at that point, you knew his music. I mean, you're familiar with his music. You're a kid in the 60s. I was a huge, huge fan. From Cream days and all that? Cream, yeah, up until, yeah, yeah. I mean, up to the album that I thought was like really amazing was an album called August. Man's a genius. He's one of the most amazing guitarists. So, anyway. So, Fender Stratocasters. He commissioned you to do one of his guitars. And since then, there's a, I mean, I Googled this. And it was like, I don't know, fucking how many of them? A hundred? I did 50 Fender Strats, one of a kind. And then I did about 25 or 30 Telecasters with matching amps. But then, I mean, then you got all the private commissions. So, there's got to be 200 or 300 guitars out there. Yo, them shits is fucking dope. Thanks. Seriously. Thanks. I remember seeing the first one. And then I remember it was almost like a catalog of, I don't know, like cars. And you can get this much. I mean, but they're fucking gorgeous. And they're obviously all unique. And they all pop. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. So, and I also read that you mentioned private commissions that you basically consult Eric before you go ahead and say yes. Yeah, I did. In the very beginning. Well, you know, the first guitar I did for him wasn't a commission. It was a practical joke. Really? How'd that come out? Well, he's famous for his jokes. So, dude, this had to be a God thing. I was sleeping. Woke up one morning the summer of 98, 99. I woke up. And I just told my wife, you know, I want to play the guitar for Eric. Just like that. So, I didn't know how to do it. So, I called some of his friends in London. And his personal assistant gave me his guitar text information. I contacted him. And I told him, you know, I want to do this. But it's got to be totally on the hush-hush. You know, I don't want him to know. So, I did the guitar, which was really interesting because it was, I'd never done one before. I did the guitar. They prepared it. They got it ready. And they put it in a guitar case. And then what they did was, he was in L. A. recording an album with B. B. King. Writing with the King, that album. So, the guitar case is in the corner of the studio. So, he walks in. Hey, guys. You know, what's up? And he sees a couple of guitar cases. So, he has, what's going on over here? And I told him, oh. It's a new setup. You know, you want to try it? So, he opened up one case. Like, oh, this is cool. And he opened up mine. He goes, what the heck is this? He opened it. And he called me. Like, dude, what are you doing? And, you know, I gotcha. You know? But it backfired because he really liked it. And he used it for like two or three straight years. And then he commissioned me to do a guitar. And then he just went on. And then he put you in contact with Fender. Well, Fender contacted me when they saw his stuff. Right, right. That's amazing. And so, what else have you done, like, on a grander scale? Not walls, not canvases, not guitars. Cars, maybe? Toothbrushes? I know you've done luggage for Toomey. Yeah. I own a piece. Oh, you do? Yeah, hell yeah. Poor guy. No, the Toomey thing was kind of cool because I knew Toomey not from the luggage but from the backpacks. So, you know, when they contacted me, I went online and checked it out. I'm like, okay, this is kind of cool. And they were just releasing the hard cases. So, that just worked out. Dude, that was just, like, amazing how that worked out. If anything has ever got given that is because that just, like, from the beginning to the end, it just was smooth. There was never an ounce of trouble. So, they called you. They said, we love your work. Would you be interested in designing, using your print as a series of a hard luggage? Right, right. And so, did you design that specific image for that? I did the painting. Yeah, specifically for that. They gave me, but they gave me guidelines. I can't use more than eight colors. Because the more colors to silkscreen, the more money it costs. It's difficult. So, I did the painting with eight colors. But unbeknownst to me, spray paint, it varies from dark to light. So, like, if you use a blue, you know, it's the same blue, but when you pull back, you got all that misting. Right. So, that creates a degree of color. A different hue of color. Yeah. It goes from dark to light, even though it's one color. So, you got all that to work. So, it came out to, like, something like 75, 80 colors. So, really? So, they did the eight colors, but they did a process that they hadn't used before in the world. So, they kind of, like, adjusted it and evened it. And I used silver spray paint, and you can't duplicate that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, they used a gray, but it just worked. Right, right, right. No, they're... It was great, man. It was great. So, okay. So, I know this is your... You had a studio, or you had another studio. One of the things I know, and we're going to wrap this up. I got a few more questions to ask you, but we could talk for fucking hours here, was that I read somewhere that when you were younger, you didn't have a studio, and you painted up in the roof in your building. Correct. And that every day you got up and you treated it as a job. Correct. I still do. I get up. I mean, I get up. Even though I'm going to work at home, I get up, I take a shower, I put on my clothes, and I go downstairs and I work. I have to... It's a thing that I... You know, I... Not to say... Not to take it for granted. You know? It's a discipline. It's a discipline. And it's something that I think every... Whether you're a musician, a writer, whatever it is, you know, all musicians, they play, you know, even if they're just dueling, they play. Writers, if you're not writing, you're formulating. But it's always writing. Painting is the same thing. I might not use spray paint every day, but I'll do some ink drawings, maybe some watercolors. I'll do some acrylics. You know, so... But every day you're doing something. There's something because I don't think creativity ends. I mean, you can go out three weeks on holiday, you know, on vacation, somewhere on the beach, but you come back and you got all that stuff stolen, and you're like, boom. So, yeah, it's... I think as an artist, your life should be a diary. See, I was going to ask you what advice you have for younger artists, but I think that kind of covers it right there. Yeah, man. And I was going to ask you about, like, spray painting techniques. But I would probably gather that that would fall under the same answer that you gave me. Practice, practice, practice. Practice, man. Yeah. Spray painting is not an easy medium. Hell fucking no. Hell fucking no. And you guys, you guys actually develop spray caps to make them fatter so that you can fill in more area faster. Well, in the beginning, we realized that all these companies had different nozzles, like the ones that we used to love with spray starch, Niagara spray starch. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. That's awesome... That's awesome. That's awesome.! That's awesome. You sprayed it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So those caps. Those had a wider spray. Wow. See, look at that shit. That's awesome. Okay. Then, okay, so recently you did a wall on Houston Street in Lower Manhattan. We were talking about this earlier. That was Keith Haring's original wall up until what, like 2000 or something? He did the wall originally in 82, 83. And then he repainted it again. And then he did a wall with Days and A1 and Kenny Schaaf. There was a whole bunch of guys. And that was in 85, 86. And then it went dormant for a while. What, it was just blank? It was just blank. People just bombed it. They put stuff on it. It became a, what do you call it? A sign for a shop down the street. And then about 2000, it started up again. And started getting artists from around the world to do a wall. And when I was approaching the wall, I didn't know this. Charlie Ahern told me this. But I'm the only graph New Yorker, you know, born and raised in New York. Because Keith wasn't. Right. The only born and raised in New York.