BDSM lifestyle interview with Mistress and Nancy, plus host experiments with nipple clamps and spanking

thank you how nervy, how inappropriate it may be, it is always a fair question. Tonight, I'm going to explore along with you listening, the secret world of dominant submissive relationships. Yes. Doesn't that sound exciting? And who better, who better to learn from than a real live couple who lives this lifestyle? With me is, she goes by Mistress. Hello, Mistress. Hello. And her, I guess we'd call her your submissive? She's a submissive, my submissive. Thank you, because I'm still getting used to what this is all about. Nancy. Hello, Nancy. Hi. Now, when I think of a dom, is it dom-sub relationship? Is that how you refer to it? Yes. Okay. Or DS. Okay. Yeah. Is there anything shorter than that for people reeling into it? No, just DS. DS. Okay. I would have pictured Nancy in some, either wearing a dog. A dog leash or have some chains around her. I'm surprised that she is not tethered to you in some way. Well, you know, we, we walk around in a vanilla world that, that would be inappropriate. Now at a dungeon, that has absolutely happened, but not, not within, you know, walking down the streets of downtown LA. Yeah. I think it's common misconception that people, I mean, I assume some people do live in a 24, 7, 365 days a year kind of existence. Right. Like that. But it's kind of impractical. Okay. Now that was Nancy for those of you listening, the submissive who just spoke, the second person speaking, because I want people to kind of get a sense of your voices and who you are. Because it's important in the relationship. Mm-hmm. Now, are you guys a romantic couple? No. No. Does, does, do sexual things happen between you? Sometimes. Yeah. Okay. Are you seeing other people? Yes. Okay. Not me. So. I'm trying to get her to see other people. Now, Nancy. You said no, and you're the submissive. Mm-hmm. Now, is that because you feel you'd be betraying, what's your, is it fair to call you mistress, her master? Mistress. I mean, some people would choose master, but I, mistress is fine by me. Okay. No. No. Yes and no. I think that I, you know, I have this, you know, devotion to her and there's definitely a part of me that feels like if I were to somehow, not stray, but I guess. You know, put my, my attention to someone else that I would somehow neglect our relationship. So you'd be afraid of sacrificing in the fact you might get interested in someone else? A little bit, but I, but I am also very well aware that she can't meet 100% of my needs. Because, because she doesn't want to. Correct? Because she's interested in other people. I, what she is looking for is not what I'm able to provide for her in, as far as in a romantic. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Capacity. Is that because, okay. Is that because you're, you're straight? I'm bi, but it's just not, that just isn't my, what I am interested in, in a romantic thing is incredibly different from what I'm interested in, in a DS relationship. Okay. Now, again, I'm talking to mistress now. Mistress is the dominant one in this relationship. Are you, do you have other submissives in your world? None that I would consider my submissives, but I do have those that, that, that I would like to submit to me. Yes. But I wouldn't consider them mine because I don't have them collared and I don't have them under consideration or any of those. Okay. I'm not familiar with the link, the lingo. Now, when you say collared, what does that mean? Collared means that she currently is wearing a collar that I've given to her. It's a lock. She cannot take it off. I have the keys. Okay. And it means basically that I, that I own her. She is my property. And in, in the DS world, in the BDSM community, collaring is akin very much to marriage. You are linked together in a way that isn't just easily unbroken by whatever, you know? So if there's an issue, if she misbehaves or if our, if our relationship gets rocky in some way, shape, and or form, then we don't just go, well, this isn't going to work. You know, like you might get just flippant about it. We don't, we, we work through whatever issues we may or may not have. What it constitutes being bad. What would she have to do, Nancy, to be bad? To be bad. Also, I can tell you what I have done. Okay. Tell me. I've touched myself without permission. Okay. You pleasured yourself? Mm-hmm. So you have to ask, you have to ask mistress for permission to pleasure yourself. Yes. Do you, do you own mistress? Do you own her vagina? Yes. I own her. And that includes her vagina? Yes. And everything about her? Yes. Okay. Nancy, does that turn you on, that idea? It makes, what, you're rolling your eyes and you look like. This is radio. They need to hear it. So it sounds like you really turn on. Yes. Yes. You like being owned. Absolutely. I consider it just a part of, I can't imagine myself not being owned. Okay. So, you know, this leads to a question that I'm sure some people listening. Oh, by the way, if you'd like to talk to mistress and her submissive Nancy, the number here is 800-893-9562. That's 800-893-9562. Okay. Now in this world, do you consider yourself living in the world of, um, what do you call it? BDSM. BDSM? Yeah. Yes. Okay. Here, what is, I get the S and the M. Wait, is that sadomasochism? BDSM stands for bondage, discipline, sadomasochism, and dominance and submission. They all have varying different, but all of those letters are in there in BDSM. Okay. Now, when I look at you, mistress, you're very stern. I'm very stern. Okay. You know, when I look at your submissive, she's a bit giggly. She's looking at you a little starry eyed. Her cheeks are flushed. I suspect she might actually be physically turned on right now. Yes. But you seem very unturned on. It's very businesslike. Well, I mean, we're, we're discussing this, you know, in kind of a very intellectual state. I mean, and, and, and for me, for me to become aroused during these, whatever, whatever, whatever inter exchanges, interactions that we have, um, I have to be, um, doing things like really driving it and being in control, whatever it is. And that will get me into what is considered top space where, you know, cause there's the top and the bottom and the top spaces, you just become very hyper aware of everything. Everything comes into an incredibly sharp focus and I talk faster than I normally do. And I become more creative than I normally am. It's really, it's like the best drug ever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just the interaction interaction interaction interaction interaction interaction interaction heard of these terms, top space. Is that literally like that on top of someone? No, it's, it's a mental state when, when I'm engaging in these acts, um, I, I get into a mental state of top space. It's a, it's kind of a, you know, an adrenaline high for lack of a better term where, um, and, and I can actually get into top space from a really intense intellectual conversation that's happened to me before. Cause it's the same kind of thing. Hopefully we'll get there. That would be awesome. Um, whereas the, the converse to that is subspace, which is submissive space. And that's more like, um, a massive rush of endorphins and they're spacey and a little bit kind of high and like really like what, like they don't know. It's like the equivalent to being on pot, but there's no drugs involved. It's just straight endorphins. So, um, do you consider this a drug? No, I mean, I wouldn't. I mean, it's, it's more of a lifestyle, but you know, you can, you, you, I suppose in a way you can become addicted to the sense of that feeling, but I've never, me personally, I've never done anything, um, that I would feel would be a detriment in order to achieve that quote unquote high, if that makes sense. But I think that's a good point though, because I think some people get really just engrossed in, in this lifestyle. You know, there's, there's the toys, there's living on the, you're living on the edge a lot. You're doing really dangerous things sometimes. Are you? Yes. Yes. Okay. And this is by the way, just for you listening, this would be the submissive in this relationship talking, not me, I'm, I don't know what I am. I could probably be both at any time. Would you say that's fair for most people? No. Hmm. Really? I was expecting a different answer. Now tell me, you said a submissive Nancy, you said that, uh, there are things you've engaged in with mistress here that are dangerous. Let me hear what are they? And then that is a fair question. I think my favorite of all of them has been the time that she pulled a knife on me. Um, I, I was, I was strapped into a chair and she... When you say strapped, do you mean you couldn't move? No, could not move. She was tied. Okay. What did you use mistress? A hemp rope. Is that the best for tying people up? It depends. Everybody has their opinions. I like mine cause it's purple and pretty. Okay. So you were about, were you naked? I was, I was. Yes, you were naked. Yeah. And were you wearing like a mouth, like, I mean the stereotype of what I would imagine, like a gag thing in the mouth. No gag. Were you blindfolded though? Well, no. Cause she saw the knife. You were at one point, but I might've taken the blindfold off. And she would... No, you were blindfolded. I was doing a sensation thing. Oh yeah. You were blindfolded. I love the memories. I had started off with electric play and then you didn't see the knife. You felt the knife. Yes. But I knew something bad was coming because she said to me, she asked me, if I trusted her. Okay. And I... Which I never ask. So I knew then that, I mean, if she's asking me something like that, which is a given that I do trust her, then she wants to reassert that. And so it was just, it was a very strange sensation. And she told me not to move because if I moved something really bad would happen. Yes. And what was going on? Well, I, I, I was, I was getting the knives out. And, you know, I recall, you know, asking her, do you trust me? Do you trust me? Which I don't, I really don't ever ask. It seems so stereotypically like from a movie kind of thing. Right. And romantic. And she has a habit that when we play, she laughs and giggles and likes to move around a lot. Although she wasn't really in a position to do a lot of moving when she was bound. Your body still has some, some wiggle room. It's just your hands and feet that are restrained at that point. However, I, I wanted to make it incredibly clear. Do not move. It will end incredibly poorly. And so, that was, you know, it's one of those things. And, and knife play, you're not, there's various degrees of, of knife play. Just anyone listening who's a child, if you're under 18. Stop. And stop listening. And like the word knife and the word play, I generally don't think generally belong in the same sentence. It's, it's considered, you know, heavy edge play because yes, it can, it can result in, in blood. And, and I, yeah, absolutely. Has anyone ever died at your hands? Never. No. Oh God. No one's even actually. It's a fair question. Been. Been. I've been, I've permanently marked a couple people, but. So, let's just get the bottom of the story. Basically, you were, you were giving. I had a knife on her skin. You had a knife and you were rubbing it in certain parts of her body. Yes. Sensitive parts, like her, like, would you say her female parts or? Her breasts, her legs, her torso, not her vaginal area though. Okay. And I look at you, you again, seem very turned on submissive Nancy. . Because she paints such a beautiful picture and I want to do all of these things all over again. What about the electric play? What is that? There are devices, they're called violet wands. There's also a device that's called a TENS unit. The violet wand, it, it essentially, it runs an electrical current on the surface of the skin. And, and it can be rank, it has varying degrees of intensity. And it can get so intense that if you hold it on the skin in one area for too long, it can actually burn you. Mm-hmm. And most of the time it's really just kind of surface. It's like a surface shock. It's, it's a shock you experience. Whereas a TENS unit are pads and they're placed on your skin. You, that's done often in physical therapy. And it, it, it stimulates the muscles, not the skin. And it can be incredibly pleasurable actually. Well, let's talk a little bit about where this all started. Mistress, what kind of childhood did you have? I probably had a very typical childhood, you know, child of divorce. But it's raised by a single mom and... Were you spanked a lot or disciplined as a child? Never, never. I was disciplined. Well, I was spanked once when I skipped school in sixth grade. Did you like it? No. Really? Yeah. Huh. Yeah, it was the only time I was ever spanked. It was with a wooden spoon too. Where did this come from? My mom cried. She's a bad dom. Seriously. So when did, when did you discover that this was something that turned you on and you liked? You know, I've always known that I was a little bit unique. I remember one time we had a slumber party. I must have been seven or eight. And it was me and like three or four other girls. And we started playing like we were, you know, husband and wife. We would like make out and kiss and stuff. And we would take a tennis ball and put it in our underwear if you were the husband. And we would grind up on each other. Yeah, we were really young. Don't ask me why. But I remember thinking, I really want to be the husband. I really don't. I don't want to be that woman that has things done to her. I don't want that. I want to be the one. Doing. It was really important to me. I enjoyed that dynamic. The other way I was like, no, I don't like this anymore. Let's let's switch it so that I'm the husband. You wanted to be the one with the tennis balls in the family. Right? Exactly. Exactly. And then, you know, and then as I, as I got older and started, you know, dating and things like that, I, I was doing things that my girlfriends weren't like doing. Well, you know, choking. Yeah. I mean, tying up my boyfriends or, you know, slapping them. Or. Or asking to be spanked during sex or my freshman year in college, I, I had my boyfriend and his roommate make out and suck each other's penises. When I went. You made them. I made them. You made them. Like they had no choice in the matter. They wanted to have a threesome. I didn't. So they had a twosome. I said, you know what? If you, if you boys do what I say, then maybe, but it has to be good. And at the end of that, I was like, I gotta go. Oh. I'm done with this. Oh, that's terrible. But I remember. That's fucking a lot. I remember talking to my sorority sisters and they're like, hey, how was your weekend? I was like, mine was good. And I was, I was really gauging them for how their weekend was. You know, they all had had sex and talked about their sexual exploits. And I was thinking that was not my weekend. And I just nodded a lot. And I was like, okay, I'm not like these people. There's, and I thought for a really long time, there was something wrong with me. Is there something, is there something wrong with you? No. That is a fair question. No. For anyone listening might be wondering. You know, I've, I've really delved into this. I think part of the challenge is that a dominant female in our society is very frowned upon because men are perceived to be the dominant roles. And so for me, that was really difficult to reconcile that I can still be a dominant and a female and that doesn't make me a bad person. That doesn't make me a ball busting bitch for lack of a better term. You know, I can be assertive and dominant and still be compassionate and caring and loving, which I am. And that it was a, it was very, very difficult. For me to accept that about myself because I didn't fit within societal norms at all. And I really did everything I could to try and be normal. I got married. I did all of that. I tried to be the subservient wife and it didn't work for me at all. Why didn't it work? Because it's not who I am. But what if you had the right guy who said, I enjoy this. I want you to tie me up. I want you to spank me. I want you- Precisely. And that's where, that's where I'm going because that, again, it still wouldn't be normal as far as what the societal norms are. But do we know what's really normal behind doors? I'm just saying what societal norms are. The stereotype, yeah. The stereotypes. And so for me, I came to terms with, and I still kind of come to terms with who and what I am a little bit more every single day. I think that that's part of our own personal evolutions. But yeah, I mean, it's one of those things where I think that now I can accept that this is my normal and trying to fight this is like trying to fight being gay. If you are gay, you're just fighting what is your nature. I believe. This is part of my nature. And I believe because I approach it safely and I approach it from a positive place and not from a negative place, I don't believe that it's, it's, it's, there's anything negative to it. I don't engage in anybody that is unwilling and is not completely, they make it incredibly clear what they are interested in, what they want, and that this is a two sided situation. So I don't force anybody to do anything. When you say this is part of you, what I just want some clarification on is what is the it? You say it's a part of me. Is it the part that like, it's one thing to be dominant. They're probably in any, in any heterosexual or homosexual relationship, there's probably someone who is more dominant than the other. But in your case, there's, there are things, behaviors that are coexisting that are very dominant or being called on it, like electrocution, knife play, as you put it, tying up all that kind of stuff. Is that, I forgot what my question was. Part of me. But what, yeah, sorry. Yes. Thank you. Is that when you say the part of you that that needs to be satisfied, that need to dominate in that way? No. The part of me is just the dominant. All of the rest is like the pretty scarves that you put on to make yourself look pretty or, or the tie or the shoes or whatever it is. That's all just additional components of who and what I am. Different ways to express it in other ways. It also, it helps because there's a yin and yang component to any of these relationships, the dominant and the submissive. So whatever I'm doing as the dominant, I'm just going to be the dominant. There's another person that's on the receiving end and they feed each other. So whenever I'm playing with Nancy, whatever it is that I'm doing to her, her reactions help feed me as well. And so then I continue to do it and she enjoys it and it ends up becoming a really enjoyable cycle actually. Okay. So you need, and it sounds like to me, I don't want to put in, I don't want to speak for you, but what I'm hearing is that you have a need to dominate in the way you, in all these various ways. Yeah. That's part of you. Yeah, absolutely. And so the electrocution or the knife play or the, those are just parts, but without them, you probably wouldn't be feeling fully satisfied. Probably not. I mean, I, I, I think that I could probably be satisfied, but it's like, what if you had a relationship that was great and fine and you had good sex, but just no oral sex. Right. It wouldn't die. It wouldn't be the end of the world. It just, I would really sometimes just like some oral sex. Right. I understand. And that's why you have Nancy. So I'm looking at your card. Our, again, if you're just joining us, we've got a mistress here. Now you're not a dominatrix, you told me. No, because in the way that I define the term dominatrix, they do it for money. They're what we would consider pro doms, which is fine. And I know several of them, they're very nice people, but that's not what I do. I don't do this for financial gain. So let's say, oh, by the way, yes. So I have got our mistress here and her submissive. We're going to talk to you in depth in a moment, Nancy. But I'm just curious if let's say I said to you, mistress, that I would really enjoy a good spanking tonight. That's something you would do just free of charge. Absolutely. And that you have men who do that? Yes. And where do you usually do that? Dungeons most often. And is a dungeon literally underground? I'm trying to think. There's one dungeon that has an underground place, but they're all, they look like regular businesses. You just walk right in and just say dungeon on the outside? It does not say dungeon on the outside. So are these underground places? You have to know where they are. Are they in Hollywood? North Hollywood, there's two. There's one near LAX. So businessmen traveling around the world will sometimes pop in a dungeon on their way between flights? I would assume so. But most businessmen that are probably looking for like a pro session, they'll have it scheduled with a pro and the pro will have it either at their own personal studio or they will rent out a dungeon for the same. Do you rent out dungeons then? People can, I don't. So where do you do your work? Well, here's the thing though. I don't work. That these, you're so funny. These places, I mean, they are available for, you know, to rent for people like that who can afford it because it's, you know, it can be a little bit pricey. But these places also cater to people like us. That it's our life. They have parties and we go. We go to the parties and lots of other people are there too. Have you two made love? And that is a fair question. Well, we've had sex. Does that count? I don't, I'm making love is not a, it's not a term I use. No? No. Why are you shaking your head, Nancy? Submissive Nancy? She would probably use the word make love. So here's what I'm seeing here and I could be totally mistaken. I think that your submissive Nancy here is in love with you. Oh, that's old news. Yeah, no, that's, yeah, we know. Okay. Well. I'm asking you, mistress, to be not buying, you're not into that. I love her very much. See and I've had this conversation. I love her. I'm not in love with her. Okay. You brought some stuff. You brought a few things for me to take a look at. Yes, do you want my stuff? Yeah, I would love to see this. I'll describe it. And are these things that you've used on your submissive Nancy here? Some. Okay, great. Others are not gender appropriate. Some are not gender appropriate for her. She doesn't have the right parts. Oh, okay, great. So if you're just joining us- Oh, maybe we can try them on you. Yeah. 800-893-9562 is the number. That's 800-893-9562. Do you think you guys are sex addicts? I think that's a fair question. Well, I mean, you would have to ask us individually. I think it would be improper to make a broad statement like that about everybody that was- No, I'm just talking about you two. ... within the Venus M Life. I think that the... I would not say addicts. I think that's an addict, no. For me personally. Okay, Nancy? She's not even close. No. But I have been accused of it. Okay. Because I like sex a lot and I think about it a lot. How often do you have sex? Not as much as I'd like. Not as much as I'd like. How much? What would be enough for you? What would be enough for me? Yeah. Daily. Okay. Without a doubt. How many orgasms do you have today? I had one. One? What? When did this happen? I took a nap. I was with you all fucking day. I took a nap. Do you masturbate every day? Yes, I do. Mm-hmm. Is that therapeutic for you? Yes. It makes me sane. Do you use toys? I almost always use my Hitachi. It's just really easy. It's wham, bam, thank me ma'am. A magic wand? Yes. Okay. Yes. Yeah. Isn't that the toy of most of the serious people? It's a plugin, right? It is. It's fantastic. Fuck the battery charge. Okay. So hold on a second. I see a noose. Yes. So how would that work into ... Because that seems very serious. People kill themselves on nooses. Edgy. Yes. There is a type of play. It's called breath play. And it is considered edge play and it is not something that people should engage in unless they are educated about it and how to use it. And what breath play means is that you restrict a person's breathing. Oh, man. A lot of times it's done by a hand to the throat and you're slightly choking them. Isn't that autoerotic asphyxiation? Autoerotic asphyxiation is a component of breath play. So a noose, which I made this noose myself. I'm freaked out. I mean, aren't you worried? What if someone, God forbid, died in your arms? I mean, you could be charged with murder. Well, here's the great thing about breath play is that they would pass out and start breathing again. You just have to be- But some people die from like autoerotic. Correct. Correct. You need to be cautious about it. I don't go to those lengths. I haven't had somebody pass out. Okay. I'm always ... I'm incredibly ... I'm very aware of the person that I'm playing with. I try to be incredibly cautious. You know what I'd like to do? I'd like to see you use this. Jeremy, can you come in here? You want me to use the noose on Jeremy? Yeah, I'd like you to use the ... We're going to have ... I don't have anything to hang it on. Oh, you have to ... We're going to have a noose put around your neck, Jeremy. Oh, he's on ... He's busy. I could put a noose around her neck. No, it's more fun to see Jeremy, our board operator, that runs this joint. I did, however, hang somebody with a noose and a chain fall. Do you know what a chain fall is? No, I don't. It's like a power assisted thing that you loop. Chain fall. You put chains on to lift heavy objects like engines out of cars. I used this noose and it was attached to the end of the chain fall and then he was attached to this. Slowly, chain piece by chain piece, I tightened the noose and tightened the noose until he started blacking out and then I quickly loosened it and let him down. Jeremy. What am I doing? I was wondering if you'd feel okay with Mistress here putting a noose around your neck and ... Then what? He just wants ... I'm going to hang it on, right? Really? Maybe this isn't the right one for you. I just wanted to ... I don't know. I thought it would have been interesting to get first hand the experience of being suffocated, I guess. You can also put on a noose while you're having sex. I'm willing to do anything, but I just don't know what wearing a noose would do. Well, she would show us what breath play looks like and sounds like, but we'll hold off on that. You would tighten it around my neck? Yeah, basically put your head in a noose, but let's hold off on that because you've got some other stuff here. I have lots of things. This is a spreader bar. A what? Spreader bar. What do you spread with that? Legs. Okay. Well, let's see that on Nancy. Well, I didn't bring rope. Oh, you need rope? Okay. Yeah. Because it would attach rope to here to here. Essentially, it's about two, two and a half, maybe two and a half feet wide. Basically, if somebody's ... Their legs are tied to it, so they can't close their legs. They have to stay at least this wide open. It can be spread and widened. Mistress is showing me a rod. It's a metal rod that people tie. He's saying it actually would go between the thighs. Or the knees. Or the knees. Ankles. Ankles. And it keeps the legs apart. There's no way to fight it, I guess. Right. And it would make walking very awkward. Right. So it keeps you stationary. Have you had this before? Not that. No. Okay. Very good. What else do you have? And then this is one of our newest and most favorite toys. It's a leather belt? It's a leather restraint. Well, this goes around the neck. There's a collar that goes around the neck. And then there's a leather strap that goes around the neck. And then there's a leather strap that goes down the back. And then there are two cuffs, one on top of the other, where each hand would be cuffed behind the back. Okay. And what is that used for? Restraint? Just restraint. And then what would happen is that, you know, were she naked, then her breasts would be completely exposed. Or a man, then his nipples would be completely exposed. Can I see that? Let's see that on her. Okay. And can you have her take her top off? I mean, if that's part of the deal, I think we need to see that. She doesn't have to have her top taken off. She does. No. I think that part of this is we really need to see her bare breasts. I do. Vic is looking at me as if I've never seen that before, but... No, I just think that... It's old hat here at the studio. You've seen everything. Yeah. Okay, so... Well, we did do some live fisting in the studio. I think Jeremy's a little bit desensitized. Okay, so you have a collar around your neck at the moment. How are you feeling, Nancy? Oh, it feels good. That feels good? Yes. It looks like it's actually cutting off some of the air. It's like a little bit of a! I really like putting things up men's butts. Okay. And I've been told that this is a dominant behavior on my part, but it really isn't. It's just... Right. You think that's why you haven't had many second dates? Because... Would she with you? Yeah. Yeah, you do look familiar. So, what is going on with you in your childhood? Where did this come from as you're being bound behind? Well, let me just say that... Yeah. I... Nothing like that. Nothing like what I think you might be implying. I mean, were you raped or touched in a bad place? Was there molestation or something that got you to... You don't like men and... No. No. I'm a lesbian. You're a lesbian. Okay. Just that's how you are. That's just that. Right. But no, nothing that... Nothing that would have set off some sort of alarm or anything like that. Right. You're just wired to love women over men. Yeah. You're just wired to love women over men. Mm-hmm. Okay. Totally. Okay, great. So, you are bound right now. Mm-hmm. And how's that working for you? I have to really stay alert. Because it's hard to breathe? Well, no. Well, it is and it isn't. It's okay. But I'm saying that I have to stay alert because if I don't, I will really start drifting off into what she was talking about earlier about subspace. Mm-hmm. Because this feels warm and safe and just... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just pushing things. Just pushing things. Just pushing things. Just pushing things. Just pushing things. Just pushing things. Just pushing things. Just pushing things. Just pushing things. Just pushing things. Just pushing things. Just pushing things. Just pushing things. Just pushing things. Just pushing things. Just pushing things. Just pushing things. Just pushing things. Just pushing things. Just pushing things. Just pushing things. Just pushing things. Just pushing things. Just pushing things. Just pushing things. Just pushing things. Just pushing things. Just pushing things. Just pushing things. Just pushing things. CBT. Yeah. Explain to me, cock and ball torture. Is that part of your world? Yes, absolutely. That's a world I want no part of. And what exactly goes on there? What are you doing? Well, I mean, it can be anything from, whatever is going to cause some kind of discomfort to the male genitalia. And there actually can be female genital torture as well, which is not done in the, you know, kind of Middle Eastern way. You know, Nancy is starting to turn really almost blue. Is that okay? She's fine. I mean, you're really starting to change colors. She's fine. Trust me. Totally fine. Okay. I just saw her drifting off. I mean, if she dies, it's not on my hands. She's not going to die. You sure? Guarantee you. Guarantee you she's not going to die. Okay. But she's got the, you know, the collar is very tight. Your face is turning like purple. It's not that tight. Okay. All right. I'm just seeing someone who looks like they're dying, but okay. It's okay. Trust me. It's your world, not mine. She will let me know if she's dying. Yeah. If she's dead, she can't let you know. No, she can let me know on the process though. Do you have a safe word? I heard there's safe words in this. There are lots of safe words. What's one of yours? Red or mercy. Red or mercy. How about help? No. That's mine. No. If I have any problems in this interview, I will say help. That's fine. Okay. So go on, please. You were talking about how there's torture for the male genitalia and the women. So, and it's anything from, it can be as simple as, you know, kicking the balls. That's a part of it. Right. Now you're an expert in that? Yeah. And I would not consider myself an expert in anything. But I mean, you consider yourself to be pretty good at kicking a guy in the balls? Yes. I have an ability and skill. Does it take skill to kick a guy in the balls? Yes. Without damaging them. Because you can actually damage a man's, you know, scrotum and his ball sack. You can damage it. So yeah, you have to do it the right way. Do you get off when you kick a guy in the balls? Yes. Really? Yes. What is it that gets you off like that? You want to kick me in the balls right now? No. You don't feel it for me, do you? No. I don't. Will you kick Jeremy in the balls? Jeremy, come in here. No, I've already spanked Jeremy. I want you to kick him in the balls. I've already spanked Jeremy. Jeremy, come in here. I really don't want to be kicked in the balls. Just do it for the show. Do it for the show. I'm not going to kick him in the balls. Why? I love Jeremy. Oh, yeah, we really like him. Oh, you only kick people in the balls you don't like? No, no, no, no, no. I only kick people in the balls that want to be kicked in the balls. If you want to be kicked in the balls, I'll kick you in the balls. But he doesn't want to be kicked in the balls. You're afraid actually of being kicked in the balls. Well, I can understand that. It's a fairly painful process. All right. You don't want to get kicked in the balls? Not really. No, love tap. Does anyone ever throw up after being kicked in the balls? Not when I've done it. Well, wait a minute. When I was a kid, but I didn't know what I was doing then, I probably could have caused them some serious damage. Why do you get off on kicking guys in the balls? What is it about that? There's the rush of them being helpless and not just the fact that that's happened, but that they asked me to. Would you bite a guy's balls? I have done, yes, many times. Really? Both balls at the same time? If they're small enough, yes. You want to bite my balls? Sure, I'll bite your balls. Right now? I don't know. Are they hairy? Are they clean? No, I'm saying through my jeans. That won't do anything to you. I'll just bite your jeans. You would put my... I could punch your balls right now. God, there's so many options. There are. You would... Go on, Jeremy, what? I think you should take a... Take a punch to the balls, man. I do pull my... You can't ever do a full punch. You just can't do... Have you ever been in a sexual situation where the girl's like, I want to punch your nuts or... No, I don't. I haven't. What about if... Does she squeeze your balls during a blowjob? I've had some squeezing during some oral love. See, and is that enjoyable? Yeah, that's fine. Same kind of concept. I get nothing from ball play whatsoever. That's called ball play? Even having them sucked? Even during... Yeah. How did you know, Jeremy, that's called ball play? I don't know. It just seems logical. Yeah, it seems logical. So wait, I just want to get this straight right now. If I said to you, I want you to bite my balls, I'm okay with that, you would put my nutsack in your mouth? Well, I mean, if I knew you better, yeah. How well do you need to know me? You wanted me to take you out to lunch? No. It would be conversations. Do you feel you know me well enough? No, not for putting your balls in my mouth. Well, I thought that's what biting balls is about. Well, it is, but generally, I do that with someone that I'm intimate with. Oh, I thought you were offering. No. You said, would you? And I said, sure, I'll bite your balls. Oh, but not today. Not today. So we could set up an appointment for that? Sure, sure. I mean, not an appointment, but... Sure. Are you okay with that? She would like to watch it. Nancy, would you get jealous? No, no, no, no, no. I would watch. When she does things to men, it's quite fascinating. Well, not even just men, but whenever she does things to anybody, and I'm able to view it, it's fascinating. Really? What else do you do to men? Uh... What else do you do? What else do you do to their penises? Sounding. Do you know what sounds are? No. I just learned what this is, and it scares the shit out of me. Medical sounds. I actually brought my sound kit with me. Oh, great. She's opening up something. It looks... It's a... Oh, my God. What is that? These are called medical sounds. They're urethral sounds. Oh, no. And these are actually put inside the penis through the urethra. Oh, no. Please, no. So, obviously, you could see that there's varying sizes. Let me see those. You gotta be kidding. No, I'm not kidding. There are guys who like that? Yeah, my boyfriend loves it. Oh, your boyfriend's a sick fuck. Yeah, he is, but I love him. Works out for us. This can't be healthy. Well, actually, you know... I mean, I'm not talking mentally, but... Hey, look at that. Oh, hey, look at you. Yeah, that also... Jeremy put up something. Somehow this ended up in my Amazon inbox. I'm not really... Wait, now, I am holding up... Shopping cart. I want to get this thing back focused here on what we've got here. These are rods. There's about... They're about six inches long, maybe eight inches. There's a small tip at the end. It's got a number. This is a seven. This is steel, stainless steel. And you're telling me that you stick this into the tip of the penis. Correct. And then can a man ejaculate with this in it? Yes. And why not just stimulate it through the behind? Why do you have to stick a thing in it? I mean, this is metal. Because there are a lot of men that enjoy the pain of being sounded. That's called being sounded. I mean, this number 17 is like... I mean, it's a butter knife. It's like a... I've never used one like that. It's so thick. I mean, it's as thick as a finger. I mean, that's crazy. And you stick this in the tip. I'm holding my penis right now. Absolutely. I'm not kidding. The tip of the penis with lots of lube. Oh, God. Yes, absolutely. Apparently, the first time you pee after being sounded is incredibly painful. I would imagine. I think I'm gonna have a hard time peeing just after this interview. There you go. I cannot believe this, that this is something that you do. I just touched all this. Has this been in men's penises? I've sanitized all of them since. Everything I brought, I sanitized. Oh, my God. But the great thing about this is they're metal. This is hardcore. They're metal. You can do things like you can touch it with a violet wand, which is the electricity, and it has an electric current go through that. Right through the penis? Right to the urethra? I have these vibrating nipple clamps that you can put on it, and it vibrates it. Put that on Nancy. No, her nipples are too sensitive for clamps. Let me see that. How does that work? Vibrating nipple clamps? Yeah. So, like, if you couldn't... Oh, my... So, she's handing it over to me. It's... What's the part... Oh, you... I don't know if you can hear that, but that's the vibration, and then it's clamped. There's a clamp on the end. It looks like a clothespin kind of thing, and, wow, that sounds really painful, too. You clamp it on the nipples, and then you vibrate it, and then these are weighted nipple clamps. Oh. Where there's weights on it to... What makes the breasts stretch? Oh, where the nipples. Depends, because some men don't have breasts. So... Well, they do, but they're not as exciting. It moves. See it? I'm shocked. I'm shocked. Um... And then these are called tweezer nipple clamps. They look like little tweezers. Oh, my God. Whatever happened to people just cuddling, and the man puts his penis inside the vagina? They got bored. That happens. They got bored. It's boring, and that man ends up going to a pro dom because he wants more. Really? You think most men are getting things stuck in their urethras? No, not... They aren't. CBT is a specialized kind of play. I hate it. Some people... Some people just don't like it. Yeah, some people don't like it, and some people love it. Who loves it? Same as my boyfriend. What is wrong with your boyfriend? Nothing. He just... What's wrong with you? He enjoys that kind of pain. Hold on a second. Hold on a second. Anyone who's getting that stuck in their urethra, we need to know more about them. There's this... We need psychological profiling. No, he just enjoys that kind of pain. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, and there's nothing wrong with him. There's something going on. No? Does there have to be? He and I have had a lot of extensive discussions. Obviously, I get... I like to dig into people's brains, and... You like to dig in more than their brains. You like to dig in their urethras. I do. I like to also dig in their asses, too, so... How do you do that? Well, with usually dildos, or like this is an anal hook. There's always a hook. I knew there'd be a hook with you in this interview. And then pull on them. Oh, that's horrible. That's awesome. He's got a... It's an apparatus that has a ball on one end, and then I guess you would enter that into the rectum, and then... The ball goes into the anus, and then there's like an eye hook, a very large eye hook that sticks out of it, and then you would tie... Mm-hmm. You could tie... You could tie rope to it. This is really good for predicament bondage. Like you have this in the anus, and then the submissive B tied to something that they would have to pull or let go. Like if this is, let's say, tied to nipple clamps, and there are weights involved, and they can have to decide which do they want more pain in, their anus or their breasts. I prefer the anus. Well, there you go. If you want to give us a call, it's 800-893-9562. You cannot find a bigger, I have to say, expert, someone more knowledgeable... ...in basically how to torture a man. He's found every way to destroy a man's penis. And yeah, my mind is scared right now. And you're still a little blue. Nancy's been wearing a neck constraint... I'm totally fine. ...for 15, 20 minutes. She's great. She worked for the entire show the other time we did the show. Is there any torture that you could do on her right now that would benefit the listening audience? So here's... The kind of torture that I like... Yes. ...is a lot more on the mental slash emotional side. What would be an example of that? Can I hear it? What would you say to her to get her turned on in a mental, emotional way? Oh, and I mean, she likes to be called names. Can I try? No. No. Whoa, that was a quick answer. I think I know what she likes. No. I do. You might know, but don't do it. Okay. Okay. Boy, you are stern. I'm scared of you. You'll stick that thing in my urethra... You could, but your penis would have to be out for that. Oh, and it's not. She enjoys race play. She enjoys being called names. Race play, meaning you pretend to be black? No. She is Mexican, and I am white, and we do a lot of that. Like, I call her a lot of, like, dirty Mexican, and she loves it. She loves all that. Really? What would be an example? She cleans for me a lot, and when she does it, she's Rosario, Rosalinda, Rosita. I don't know. Some roses. Things. And occasionally, I'll do things like, like, Rosa, you stupid fucking Mexican bitch. And see, most of the time, like, we're laughing our asses off. Like, it's so not serious. So that turns you on. And one time, she did something, she didn't clean something well enough, and I was like, oh, my God. If she could understand English, she would hear me yelling at her right now. It would be so much fun. I love that. It looks like we had a call that came in. Are you there, caller? Hello? Yeah. Yes, please. Hello. What's your name? My name is Alex. Alex? Alex. Alex, are you a man or a woman? I can't tell. Yeah. That is a fair question. Okay, what's the question? My name is Alex. Oh, we're getting some feedback from your radio. I'm curious about what, Vic, you might, well, what your guests might be able to do to you. I like this caller. Well, I mean, I would take a nipple clamp. You just seem like you're ready to go. I'm ready to go. I'm ready to go. I'm ready to go. I'm ready to experiment. He does, doesn't he? I just want to see where she can push the boundaries with you. Well, I would try a nipple clamp right now. Okay, thank you for that. That's a great question. What do you have there? Did she sound you and you interview her at the same time? She wants me to sound you while you're being interviewed. Oh, no, there's no way she's sounding me. I mean, that, the thing that she's, I mean, it's a metal rod she sticks actually into the- Can you take off your clothes during the interview? Oh, please do. I do. I'm not going to be taking my clothes off unless- I feel like it might be interesting. She's got a guest who's used to this, but you're not. And so I just was curious because you seem like you're right, Vic. That seems like a fair question, doesn't it? It's a fair question. It is a fair question. I can't say I'm going to get naked, but I will take on a nipple clamp. What is that? This is a penis restraint. Okay, mine does need restraining. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. All right. Well, thank you for the call. I will see what toys here or apparati. I don't know if that's the right word. Okay. I will do a little- Merry Christmas. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Merry Christmas. What are you doing here? Okay. Is this a nipple clamp? So she's coming around the table to Vic. Okay. Yes. Nancy is now going to- And Vic is lifting up his T-shirt. Just be gentle. Is this going to hurt? And he's looking at mistress with just this fear in his eyes that is just so fucking addictive. she hasn't even touched you you little pussy will you let it go if I prompt yes oh is it on oh it's okay it doesn't feel bad it does it feels good put the other one on put the other one on I've got a nipple clamp on my right nipple on it and it's weighted too no oh it is weighted oh will you do the one that will you do the one that vibrates on the left nipple I'm actually breaking into a cold sweat is this normal it is it's a little bit of fear is this part of the sub is this the oh god it hurts it really does stop pinching your own nipple then oh oh okay let it go oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh okay let it go oh oh my god people like this take it off oh oh oh are you okay oh this will be tighter oh why are you okay why did the vibrating one hurt so much more it's a little bit tighter I have some of your hair I'm sorry I have some of Vic's chest hair oh my god I feel oh my god this is awesome do you feel used and abused I just feel scared my god am I bleeding no you're not bleeding what am I doing my nipple's gonna look like tomorrow nothing what excuse am I gonna give my wife no I'm kidding I'm not married they're not gonna look like anything oh that was good I got through that that's like skydiving like you gotta do it once you just did it there yay victory what else do you have um see that thing over there just take that off my ass no I'm kidding I'm kidding so you this is the head harness oh yeah what's that so it goes in the mouth okay and wrapped around the head and then like there are attachments like this so you're it's a big black cock okay so I'm a little confused you put the penis in and then it sticks in the mouth yeah and then someone sits on it okay or you you as the submissive would have to fuck use it on them my nipples are really hurting do I what do I do do I put ice on them later you can put ice on them later if you like or um arnica gel or you can just you know deal with the pain man up let me ask you this do you feel like now we have a relationship like I'm I feel closer to you you feel like I do I do are you my my mistress no it doesn't just take that but that sounded like that doctor that Dr. Seuss book are you my mother are you my mother no because I I don't have one and I feel pretty safe you took that off my nipple pretty quickly I'm very safe and I'm very kind so I Nancy submissive yes I love to pimp out my mistress oh really I have this thing about procuring people for her to play with it's not like she says hey go and find me this or that but whenever I know people that haven't had an experience with a certain type of activity I like to point them in her direction I definitely had that experience I had would you say I just had a submissive experience no why not I think that was submissive you almost ripped my nipples off with those things didn't even close to almost ripping my nipples are throbbing right now well yes but that's part of the joy but that's submissive I think that this counts it is it can also be considered bottoming I bottomed up because there's a difference bottoming means that you're enjoying or you're receiving the pain but you're not specifically submitting submitting means that you are giving over the power to me I didn't submit you didn't submit I failed it's okay it wasn't a test but you experienced something you hadn't experienced before which is wonderful right you know and just to give you a little bit of a clue the beginning it hurts a little bit but the endorphins kick in and then you're like yeah I can handle this keep going what you doing keep going I'm good so yeah so do you think like do you see potential if this were a lifestyle I'd want to pursue yes that was a quick answer why do you say that well because I was open to the nipple clamps on the show no for other reasons yes because I seem like a nice guy no you do seem like a nice guy though because um because I'm open-minded to I have a respect for what you guys are doing you are you clearly have an interest it's interesting you have enough of! of a peripheral knowledge and you are what I would categorize as a pleaser hmm so therefore what does that mean exactly you you get pleasure yourself from pleasing those around you and whether you're doing that via comedy entertainment performing or other kinds of services you seem like a pleaser to me mm-hmm okay I'll go with that in the brief moments that I've known you sure now what's with the oxygen mask oh this is another thing this isn't an oxygen mask this is a strap-on harness for a man yeah what is a head harness this oh that was the head harness okay too much stuff this is the head harness all right this is a strap-on harness for a man for a man to wear so his junk goes goes in this little pouch and then he can use the dildo on whomever is that for a guy who just doesn't feel he's adequate in size he's gonna bury his package in a piece in a leather bag and then put it it's also insanely humiliating to a man to a man to have his woman say no you're going to wear this with a dildo that's twice the size of you and you're going to use that on me all night long I wouldn't find that humiliating I'd find that like a night off I mean I think well there you go that would be great you have a lovely yes exactly there you go yeah you don't have to worry about it you don't have to worry about performing no performance anxiety I never have performance anxiety it's fantastic so there you go see so this kind of this kind of a harness is perfect this is actually this is my boyfriend's I'll love to really I feel like I've gotten too close to your boyfriend I've touched things that I've never touched before I've touched things that I've never touched before I've touched things that were in his urethra I'm looking at the thing that you make him not use his penis he has to use a fake one for you he does both would it be fair to say that your your boyfriend's whipped sometimes sometimes not how long you two been together six months what dungeon you meet in none we met on Twitter oh really yeah okay now what you're you're shaking your leg up and down sub Nancy and you are turning colors I've never seen on someone alive I'm not okay okay thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you suggesting that is because I want it done to me. Let me ask you this. See that butt plug? Will you make her sit on it? No, I don't have any lube with me. I'll just spit on it. No, I don't know. No? No, no, no. That's not. Why not? That's like lube. It's not anything like lube. It's nothing like lube. If you have never had somebody stick something up your ass with spit as lube, you don't know what I'm talking about. I just want to see you do something to her. Well, you know what though? She's doing something to her right now. Oh my God, she just slapped her. Can you do that? Oh my God, she just slapped her right in the face. I'm not kidding. I wasn't expecting that. You wanted me to do something. Will you do it again? Oh my God, she is. This is crazy. I'm not into domestic abuse, by the way. They like this, if you're listening. Oh my God. That was a serious smack to the left. Are you okay, Nancy? One more. Can you do both cheeks? Then we're done. Here we go. Oh, ouch. She liked it. She liked it. They like this. I'm not a... Will you spank her? Just once. Will you spank her really hard? Just once. She's been good, but please just wrap... We're almost done here. I'm having serious problems with you giving my mistress instructions. You know what? But we don't... Hold on, mistress. We don't give a shit because she's a submissive. No, but I just did something and I don't really feel like spanking her right now. You're the submissive. Tell her to stop talking. Uh, no. Why? Because that would make for a really boring show. No, for right now I want her trap shut. It is shut. You know what? It's really fun. It's so great that you're not my dominant. No, truth is, I would be. You know what? The truth is, Nancy, you know why we're doing this show? Because I want to be your dominant. And I'd be better. I'd be better. I would. I'd be better than her. No, actually you were really good. That was very stern. I can't believe you slapped her. Is there anything else you want to do? No. By the way, I want to say I am not in any way critical of what you guys do. I'm fascinated by it. I am. And I think it's great that you found something. Everyone finds things that turn them on. And this is something that works for you guys. And I have no judgment at all. I find it fascinating. So, and I really want to thank you guys for being here to share some of it with me. Thank you. And those listening. Yeah. Yeah, you got clamps on your nipples. I'm so excited that I saw that. But I just want you guys to be safe. Oh, we are exceedingly safe. Is there anything, way we can go on a bang? Like, I mean, there's nothing else from a, is there something you haven't? I could spank you. Okay, we could do that. Yes. Okay, we'll do that. Is there anything that you want to share with us that now, are you using a bare hand? Okay, now, do you say something like I've been a bad boy or is there? Oh, just start out light. Start out light. Oh, wow. Do I have a good butt for, oh, for spanking? That was one. Oh, you know, that didn't even hurt. Ah. Uh-huh. That didn't hurt either. Oh, no. Ah. No, no, no. Ow. Okay. Okay. Okay. Did that hurt your hand? Do me one more on the left side. I've been bad. I've been a really bad boy. I've been bad. Ow. Ow. Okay. You know what? You have a way of doing it. It doesn't really hurt that bad. She's really good. She's got a firm hand. You can see why I pimp out her services to anyone that wants to try something. Yes. I pop a lot of cherries. A lot of people just feel comfortable with me, so I do a lot of things for people for the first time. I'm going to be so sore when I wake up. Between my nipples and my ass, you really gave me quite a beating. You ain't seen nothing. Nope. I'm trying to think of anything else you wanted to share with us, the misconceptions about what you guys do here. Well, I mean, partially is your concern about this safety thing. It's like, look, we're being safe. Okay. Always safety is number one. Okay. Great. 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