Playboy Playmate Pilar Lastra on Peru trip, Deal or No Deal, and fantasy football

I'm Vic Cohen, and it's a fair question. It's a fair question. It's a fair question. question. It's a fair, it's a fair, it's a fair, it's a fair question. I'm Vic Cohen, and it's a fair, it's a fair, it's a fair, it's a fair quest, quest, question. Hello there, everyone. This is Vic Cohen, and you are listening to The Place Where There Is No Such Thing as a question that is ever off limits or ever too personal. I'm looking at my guests. I'm warning her. Our guest, I'm so excited to have her here. You know, it is just awesome because, you know, when you work with certain people, you form a friendship, or you have only memories that you guys have, and that's, that's her. And she is, if I had to say, let's see, if I had to use five words to describe her, it would be a big ball of energy. He is, that's five. Yes, he's counting. He is really so special, and I'm so happy you guys are going to get to meet her tonight, and I'm going to get to spend some one-on-one time with you, her, and you guys. These, this is how you might know her, okay? Playboy Playmate of the Month, August 2004. Now, if you're saying, those of you who are watching this, you're saying, oh, yeah, then you are, need to get a life, like that you would remember August of 2004, but she was Playboy Playmate of the Month. Yes. Deal or no deal model, 175 episodes, at least credited on IMDB, pretty much since the beginning, and yet she's only 5'5", although some sites say she's 5'5 1⁄2". Unusually short for a model, but she was a favorite. Case number 14, if you were a fan. Also, she's done tons of Playboy productions, in addition to this being the centerfold, and she is a fantasy football analyst. Did you know, did you know such a thing exists? It's true. She is co-hosting Every Man's Fantasy on Sirius XM Fantasy Sports Radio Channel 87. She is Pilar Lastra. I mean, Vic, that was quite the introduction. Come on. I mean, and honestly, though, like when you were saying my height, yeah, no, that's way wrong. I'm actually 5'3". Really? But we measured you. Do you not remember? You've grown two inches. You guys also put me on a scale. Did they really? No. So you're 5'3". I'm 5'3". But the thing is that like- That's even better. It goes against the anti-model. A hundred percent. Like, I have no idea what the heck I was doing on Deal or No Deal for, I mean, I was there from the pilot. So I don't know that 176. Oh, so you really were there from the beginning. No, you were there. I was there. Because we did what, 300 episodes? Six million. Stop it. Yeah, we did 200. Did we do 200 episodes? I think. I think. I think. I think. I think. I think. I think. Or maybe it was 100. No, it was 200. Okay. At least, because I remember a cake came in. Right, right. Okay, I remember that too. Yes, that's right. I'm pretty sure. So- You know, like souvenir bags. I only missed like three days of filming when I went shark fishing for ESPN. Okay. That was the only time I missed. Other than that, I was on all the episodes. That was a job you had? You went shark fishing? I mean, I guess technically it was a job because I got paid to do it, but- I mean, it was like a real job. You weren't just hanging out, obviously. What would you be doing? No, I was trying to reel in some sharks. Were you a guest then? A hundred percent, yeah. Like a deal or no deal? No, no. It was just, actually it was myself and two other playmates that went. Oh, okay. And so they had us do, it was like during shark week or whatever. And we were so anxious. I really wanted to catch a shark. But we'd get out there and we were like in the middle of a huge storm and they were like, don't you want to go back and get ice cream? I was like, no, I want a big fat shark. That's what I want. I want a big fat shark. Did you catch anything? No, we caught nothing. You know, you and I have a lot in common more than you even realize. Really? Yeah. Yeah, because I was the playgirl centerfold. Stop it. August, November, February. No, July, 2004. Stop it. So people went from one to the other and I'm 5'3". Stop it right now. What are the odds? And everyone lies about my age. And I bet your age or your height. My height, sorry. I don't know why I said my age. Ain't nobody lying about my age. Actually, I thought about something else and they'd be lying about, but in playgirl, but yeah. I feel like I have longer legs than I do torso. So that's why I get away with it. You put on some high heels and a short skirt. I mean, people. People will believe that I'm 5'7", at least. Well, I would be, you know, like, I never grew up in a world where I could be a playgirl centerfold. Like, I mean, I never. I'm sure you could. No. No, I'm telling you. I mean, I don't, I'm going to be honest. I mean, this isn't low self-esteem or anything. It's just the truth. I mean, women, I'm hitting my peak. Okay. I've just decided. You're like, okay. No, but when I was like in my 20s. Like you were when you were doing your playboy thing. Yeah, I was crazy young. Or maybe you were a teenager. I don't know. No, no, no. Were you 18? No, I was 22 when I shot. The pictures came out when I turned 23. Okay. So like you grew up knowing you're beautiful. No, I was a complete nerd. Were you a high school prom queen or whatever? No. So, okay. So. I was like military ball queen. Okay. Well, at least you were a queen. I'm like the junior ROTC program. Really? Yes. You held a gun and spun it around in circles and stuff? Yeah, I was squadron B commander of our junior ROTC. I know, right? Duh. That was in San Antonio, correct? Yeah. So you grew up in Texas most of your life. You're born here though, right? Born in California and then I was raised in Texas. We went to San Antonio when I was six months old. Okay. And your dad, is he in the military or how'd you end up in San Antonio? My mom. My dad lives in Northern Spain. That's where we're from. Spain? Mm-hmm. Really? Wow. I had no idea. I know. See what we learned? It's amazing. I know. I was teaching you Spanish earlier. I know. You're great. I want you to be my teacher. You were very good. I have a quick learner. I'm a quick learner. I will tutor you. I would like that. So your dad and mom aren't married? No. They got divorced? Yes. How old were you? Like just born? I was six months old when they divorced. So do you think that's affected you? Well, I think there's no way that I could say it didn't affect me, but I don't think that it affected me in a way that I would say like, oh, I'm a victim. Or like things weren't going to happen for me or whatever. I mean, because of it, I saw my mom. She's a crazy, crazy strong woman. And she's a like serious workaholic. And, you know, she raised three girls by herself. So kudos to her. Like it gave me the knowledge to know I could do whatever I wanted. And there's no reason why somebody can't. When you grew up, was it challenging because your mom was a single mother and she had these three kids? I mean, did you grow up poor? So in the beginning, I mean, we grew up very middle class. And like... In the very, very beginning, I would say it was kind of poor. But, you know, my mom put herself through school. She learned English and we had a great life. We lived very like middle class. Are you the oldest of the girls? No, I'm the youngest. So your dad had you and he's like, adios, amigos. No, no, no, no. Make sure you stay right on top of that. No, okay. Right up on the mic. Okay. No, you know, I mean, sometimes things just don't work out. And I'm like a firm believer. Like if it doesn't work out, there's no need to stay together for the kids. At six months, did you know it just wasn't working? I did. At six months. I am that much of a genius. You were crying until they left. I was. Until he left. I was like, you know, I just want you guys to be happy. And if you can't get along, then just go your separate ways. So as a child, did you see your father much? No, because he lived in Spain. But I know, but they have airplanes and boats and all kinds of ways. No. You know, in this modern world. No, I grew up with just my mom. Did he ever call to wish you happy birthday? No. Did he ever give you a gift? No. Did he ever lift? No, it wasn't that kind of a, he didn't. So he was a horrible father. I mean, no offense to him. No. That's not a great father. Well, I think you have to. I'll say it for you. Right. No, no, no. Repeat after me. He was a bad father. It's just different, different circumstances. Okay. Well, you have a good viewpoint on that. Yeah. I mean, I have a relationship with him now when I turned 30. Yeah. Well, he owes you 30. He owes you 30 gifts. Stop it. I think no. You know what? That is not what it's all about. I know. I don't want a bunch of presents, but I have a great relationship with him. I have a great relationship with him now, and I'm happy. I think it was much easier to sneak out of the house when I only had to sneak around one parent, not two. You have a really positive spirit about you. You really do. What's that from? Do you think it's genetic, or do you think that, like, I mean, was your mom like this? Is she like this? My mom is very positive, but honestly, I feel that when I turned 33, I went to Peru. I started backpacking. Well, I've been backpacking since I was about 30. You backpacked from the parking lot to the studio, I noticed. That was aggressive. I mean. That was incredible. I was like, man, that's aggressive. So, 33, you went to Peru? I went to Peru, and I did, like, a serious, like, soul-searching. Me-choo, pa-choo, pa-choo. Ma-choo-pee-choo, yeah. Yep, yep, yep. Ma-choo-pee-choo. And it was just, it really did change my life. I don't, there's, like, things are just going to happen in life. You know what I mean? And they don't. What was it at 33? What was the, would you call it a crisis? Yeah. Like, a couple months right before I turned 33, I just realized, you know, I was 23 when my Playboy issue came out. It was a very fast life. It was a very fun life. What do you mean by a fast life? That things happened fast? No, nothing's ever happened fast in my life. Well, 23 to be in Playboy seems pretty fast. Yeah, but no, nothing happens fast in my life. Like, I work so hard for everything, and it takes forever for, like, a deal to go through or whatever. But no, nothing, but it was a fast-paced life. Okay. Not things, you know, with work or whatever, but, you know, I had a successful radio show, the Success of Deal or No Deal. You know, I had that huge Jose Cuervo campaign. I came for two years, so it was like... That was, what was that Jose Cuervo, for those who don't know? And I don't remember, honestly, because it must have happened right after Deal or No Deal. No, it was during Deal or No Deal. What was the deal? Were you a spokesmodel? Yeah, a spokesperson for them, and we were hosting different events. I was, too, for Manischewitz. I mean, this is amazing. This is amazing. During football, it's like a Manischewitz. You don't even know what Manischewitz is. No, I don't. It's the worst wine ever. It's a Jewish wine. Stop it. I definitely don't know. For Friday nights, yeah. I don't know what bad wine is. It's like cough syrup. I don't know bad wine. Okay. But you were doing, so you were doing this for Cuervo. You were doing parties. Right, hosting football parties and stuff like that, yeah. And they'd pay you a premium to come and hang out. Right, right. It was great. You know, and having that lifestyle, you live a very fast-paced life. And then one day, like, I woke up, and I was like, what am I doing with myself? Like, yeah, it's fun. Don't get me wrong. Like, this is real. I'm dancing on Cloud 9. Everything I'm doing is funding me dancing on Cloud 9. But, you know, I was just like, I was bored. Like, life was just boring, as crazy as it was. During your Deal or No Deal work, you were bored? Or was it when it ended? No, well, because I was still working. I was still, you know, I still had my car show. I still had a lot of things going on. You had a car show online, or was that? Online. And that was called The Lap? Hot Laps, and then they changed the name to Playboy's Garage. Okay, can people still see that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's still up there. So what would we Google or go on YouTube? Just go to Playboy Garage. Okay. Just Google that. So it's now called Playboy Garage. Yeah. So they, did they? Did they replace you? No, it's still me. Oh, so you're still doing. They just changed the name. I got it, okay. They just changed the name. You still are taping that. It's still fresh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just finished driving the new 2016 McLaren 650S. Wow. Sweet, sweet. If you ever have $400,000 laying around and you want to get a badass, am I allowed to say that word? Yeah. Okay, car, then I highly recommend this one. Okay, great. Yeah. So you're like every man's fantasy. Like you love cars. And like, all right, that's the name of your show. So you were going through this crisis at 33. Right before I turned 33. Okay, and this is why you were still on Deal or No Deal? No, no, no. Deal or No Deal was over by now. Okay, so that's done. The Cuervo thing, done. Mm-hmm. And okay, were you not working at all? My car show though, no, I was still working. Because I've always had my radio show. I've always been writing my books. You know, I was still writing. I was still doing so much work. I was still driving the cars and everything. But I was just bored. Okay. I was just bored. It wouldn't matter how fast the car- You were depressed, it sounds like. I don't think I was depressed. Well, yeah, actually, yeah, I would say I was depressed. Because like a lot of people, and we were talking about this earlier, a lot of people like they hide behind like their smile and like their fun. And like, that was a crazy thing. Everybody would have thought like, there is no way this like, somebody would have like kicked me if they would be like, why are you depressed? Like, what is wrong with you? Right, here's the deal. How much more money do you want to make? How much more fun do you want to have? But it was just, it was empty, it was shallow. Here's how I know. Like I get, I have something sometimes called mild depression. It's called dysthymia. Or just, I would say I'm dysthymic. Okay. We know what the doctor would say. And when I'm dysthymic, I'm, I have like this, it's kind of like a little bit of a light flu feeling, but like in the sense of a cold, like the sniffles. Okay. Equivalent. It's whatever, you know, you still go about your life and I still have fun and everything. But a true depression, like a major depression. Okay. I can, and I fortunately have never been there. Right. But it's where you find no joy in things that you used to find joy in. Like I can get up and, like right now I'm having a great time. Now yesterday morning I was kind of down, but here I am with Pilar. I'm happy. But if I were truly in a clinical major depression, as it sounds you were, nothing would get me up. It wouldn't matter. Yeah, I just, I felt like I was just like, my soul was asleep. Like I was just bored. Like it came to a point where I was like, what are you doing? Like, what do you live for? What do you, why are you getting out of bed? Like everything I do, I could be replaced. Right. So when I went to Peru, I had this huge spiritual awakening. I played with some shamans, did a little bit of ayahuasca, saw some crazy visions, and I don't do drugs. Right. What, ayahuasca? Ayahuasca. What is that? It's a hallucinogenic. Jeremy, he's our producer, and he runs the studio. Are you there, Jeremy? Yeah. I'm sure you've done this before, right? No, you kind of have to go to Peru and be led by a shaman. Yeah. And go through this whole process to do it properly. So I've never had that opportunity, but it sounds amazing. No, no, no, no. It does not. It's horrible. Really? It's awful. But I thought this was a positive experience. It was a positive experience, but like you have to understand where I was in my life. Like I had friends dying of too much cocaine and champagne. Like, you know what I mean? And I don't do drugs, but all my friends were doing it. This was for a spiritual experience. Yeah. And like in their rituals, they believe you take this hallucinogenic, like, like, like a DMT, like it releases like DMT or something like, or it is a DMT, but- What's a DMT? I've never heard of that. It's the type of hallucinogenic drug that they say this only happens, this chemical is released into your body naturally at birth and at death. And so that's like their spiritual marketing thing that you're like, oh my gosh, it's such a sacred thing. There's actual packaging? Yeah. I mean, pretty much. Yes. It's on all the websites. What did you have to pay for that? It was $1,300. Oh my God. I know. That would, put me further in a depression. I know. I know. You know. That was just for the, just for the shaman and- Yeah. It was for a week and- And you smoke this stuff? No, no, no. You drink it. It tastes like V8, like warm V8 mixed with some dirt. Oh, it sounds wonderful. I know. I don't recommend this to anybody. Do you drink it every day? No, you drink it every other day and you take it three times. Three times a day? No, no. Three times. Every other day, three times. One time, three times. So one time, one day, and then you don't take it the next day and then the next day, you take it, another time. You can go back and get a second cup, but it's not awesome, Jeremy. Don't believe that. Like, it's awful. Like, people have died from this. Like, you have to be in a really bad place in your life, but they believe- You're willing to die? 100%. It wasn't like, I mean, I had to ask myself, like, this is the life that you're living in. If you're not happy and this is the change, like, at some point, when you're looking around at your surroundings and everybody else is kind of like in a bad environment, it's only going to be a matter of time before you yourself are going to get into some kind of trouble. Have you ever heard of therapy? Therapy. No, I'm a Latina. We don't believe in therapy. Really? We go into the wilderness with a backpack for 14 days and figure it out So therapy was out of the question. Yes. No, I don't believe, I mean, I can talk about something, but you yourself have to figure out what needs to change. Somebody else can tell you. let me just share with you a thought on this. Okay. Okay. And we can agree to disagree or maybe we won't. I don't know where this is going to go. Okay. But I will tell you that my understanding, Freud and Jung, their famous fact-telling very important people in psychology, they couldn't even analyze themselves because you need someone on the outside because you're too close or whatever the reasons were, which I couldn't say, but they felt that they needed someone from the outside to help them in their own therapeutic experience. So I don't really agree that- And that's fair enough if that's the school that you believe in. I bet. I believe. No, we're not done with- I believe. All right, you're the guest. I forgot. Okay. I believe, Vic, that like, a lot of things, you can go to a therapist. I have a lot of friends who go to therapists all the time and they're told, oh, this is what's wrong. Like, oh, you have daddy issues. Oh, you have abandonment issues. Oh, you're depressed. Oh, you have money issues, whatever. Or you can go and have a real conversation. The hardest part of self-realization is admitting to yourself what the problems are. That means you have to admit some shameful things that you've done in your life, some, your shameful past. Let's talk about those. What's the thing you're most shameful of? Well, I don't know. You know what, what was self-sabotaging to me was that I was such a workaholic and I always used work to always avoid like a relationship, always avoid, you know, letting somebody get close. Like, or like, because the thought of loving somebody and losing somebody devastated me. So I was like, well, why even love at all? Well, because I just never wanted to feel what it was like to ever lose somebody. I'll tell you why. Why? Because you lost the most important man in your life when you were six months old. No. No? Your father? No. I think so. It wasn't like, that wasn't like the most, the most devastating. You don't kind of abandon anything? But that is abandonment. But I don't have abandonment. Like, that's his thing and that's like, that's actually between him and my mom. But you're his daughter. I understand that. And you know, don't you think a father has a role in raising a child? I don't think a father should have to do anything that he doesn't want to. I agree with that. That's not the point. I agree with you. Okay. But don't you think that a child needs a father, that it's a helpful thing and that, I mean, it's not a secret that a lot of people, men or women, when a parent leaves, it's very common for them to feel abandoned. But I never knew anything different. I was six months old. I never knew anything different. So I can't say like... But what about going to high school when, you know, elementary school... My mom was like such a great, she was such a great balance at being both like a father and a mother figure. Well, then I might be wrong. I don't feel like I miss that. I'm not a therapist. A lot of people though, well, I know, but a lot of people would say that. And that's like the thing that would bother me about therapists is that they'd be like, oh, your father, you grew up without a father. No, you know what my problem is? Like, not that. Like when I was in my very first relationship, I was 21 years old. I dated the guy until I was 28. And when we broke up, I was like, man, this sucks. Like this sucks so much. It was a seven year relationship. It was your first love. Yeah. And so then that's why I was like, why, if it hurts so much to lose somebody, like why should I even love anybody to begin with? If I never invest that much of myself into somebody, then it'll never hurt. So that was the first person that I ever, that I ever lost. You know, that I ever felt. During Deal or No Deal. Really? He left you then? So you must have been a wreck. No, nobody said he left me, buddy. I left him. Whoa. Let's not get it twisted. But just because I left doesn't mean that the relationship was healthy. Why'd you leave him? It was just the relationship wasn't going anywhere. He didn't want to pull the trigger and get married? You wanted to be married? Yeah, that. And I wanted kids at that point in my life. You still want kids? Mm-hmm. Are you in a relationship now? I'm not. But I am accepting applications if you know anybody. Jeremy, can you hit that music, please? I think this is our cue. Wow. I don't think you realize, Pilar, but Vic has ulterior motives. Oh. This may be more than just an interview. Oh, is that so? This might be a first date. Oh. Because aren't first dates kind of like interviews? Jeremy? They are. Please, bring in the rest of the stuff. They are, right? You get to talk about stuff. 100%? We talk about family and where we grew up. I mean, this would be like the perfect first date, right? Yeah. I think so. Okay, so we'll just continue. Thank you, Jeremy. Oh, Jeremy. Thank you, Jeremy. This is so romantic. Is it? Oh. There's more. Thank you for getting that in the right spot. So, can you see me okay through the flames? I can. I can. And I want you to know these songs have been handpicked out for the occasion. Forever. Every guest that you have that it could potentially be. This has never happened. Jeremy, how many times? But wait, so Jeremy, let me just finish telling you. Oh, oh, Jeremy. Keep coming. I mean, all the candles. All the candles. I don't believe that this is your first time. Yeah, I swear to God. What do you think was in that bag I was carrying? Stop it. Candles and wine. For all of your guests. No. Oh, and you did ask me do I want wine. I said, do you like wine? You said no. You're right. You're right. I'm trying to get on the wagon. And I brought like an amazing bottle of wine from CVS. Was it that cheap one? Yes. That cheap Jewish wine. The Manischewitz. That's funny. So wait, so Jeremy. There should be more, Jeremy. I believe there's some more. So the lesson to be learned here is that ayahuasca was aggressive. I don't recommend it. People have died off of it. You have to be in a really crazy part in your life. The stuff you were taking and pulling. It worked out great for me. But just in December, there was a story where, oh my goodness, I feel like we're going to like start a fire here. I mean. That's very romantic. I know. I know. I mean, who doesn't love candlelight? I love candlelight. I'm really, I've gone all out here. I had a hunch you would. I had no idea you were such a romantic. I'm working so hard here. It's not that hard. I know. I know. I'm not that difficult. No, you're easy. 100%. There you go. Thank you, Jeremy. Oh, and another one. Yes, they come in a pair. I mean, is Jeremy, Jeremy, are you single? And you can bring the edibles. I mean, not marijuana. Something else. I don't do drugs. No, there's no drugs. Just hallucinogenics in Peru. That could kill you. Thank you for that. Oh, he dimmed the light. Yeah. Oh. See, it's like, you know, this is Oh, my. just the way we rehearsed it. How many times? Three or four times, Jeremy. Not you and I. And there we go, some chocolate, you know. Oh. I don't know if you're eating chocolates, but This is amazing. These are my mom's favorite chocolates. Oh, my God. Well, you can have those. If you don't want to eat them, give them to your mom. Send them to your mom. Send them to my mom. All the way to Texas. 100%. Let's hold that up. The Ferrero Rochers. They are my mom's favorite. Okay, very good. And my favorite, too. So you took this hallucinogenetic. Hallucinogen. Yeah, hallucinogenic, yeah. I think that's right. Okay. And then I saw, like, these crazy visions of things in my life. Like, basically, like, it's all in your subconscious, but when you take a hallucinogenic, a lot of times, it surfaces. Okay. So, um, I highly recommend therapists to give this to their patients because everything that they don't know they have held deep down inside is going to surface. So what did you do? What did you discover? A lot. I mean, I saw a lot of stuff. You can hit us with that second song, Jeremy. I saw, like, a lot of, like, self-sabotage that I was doing. But, you know, at the end of everything, this is amazing. Is this Emma Smith? Yeah. I didn't know what you'd like. I just went random. This is great. And picked what I thought would be fun. Yeah, this is great. Isn't it? I feel something, like, when I hear this song. You feel something? I honestly do, in my heart. What do you feel? Like, warm. Like, I feel like... Is it fuzzy? Like, that lovey, kind of dovey feeling from this music. Does it make your heart smile? I'm serious. You're making fun of me, I think. No, I'm asking real questions. It feels, yeah, it feels really good. Does it feel like your heart's smiling? Kind of. Oh, that's sweet. It's like, I feel like that feeling of love. Like, what people describe as love, this song. It's just... Do you? No, because I remember the video, and it was kind of sad. Oh, I know. Yeah. Yeah. It's just, I don't know. It's emotional. Yeah, yeah, very emotional. Uh-huh. I like it. I love it. Yeah. Okay, so go on. You were... So anyhow, so in my whole trip to Peru, the first time, I just kind of realized, like, you know what? There's going to be good days and bad days in life, and even your bad day, like, why are you going to make it worse? Just accept it, and try to find, like, the most positive things about, like, your date. Like, there's no reason why you can't laugh every single day of your life. If you need to, like, buy a little joke book, and write a little joke book, and read them to yourself, and make yourself laugh, like, that's what I try to do. So it sounds like that, like, if someone's truly depressed, there's no joke book that's going to help. But it sounds like whatever you took broke through the depression. In my particular case. Yeah. And a lot of people, it doesn't. Because you tell someone who's really depressed, hey, read this joke book. They'd be like, yeah, right. But you can tell somebody who's, I mean, it's just, you have to get to the root of why you're depressed. So you... People are depressed for, like, a reason. You have to know why you're depressed. Like, me, I had this fantastic life. It was so much fun. So what was the big reason? I missed that, I think. I just had no meaning to my life. After my trip to Peru, like, I left Playboy. I quit working the events with Playboy, making a ridiculous amount of money. And I started teaching yoga to children with disabilities. Oh, wow. It was so much more fulfilling. That's really amazing. Like, yeah. I went from making, you know, six figures to $10,000 a year. When you say six figures, do you mean, like, more than $200,000? It's a fair question. Playboy, yeah, it is. With Playboy, no. But you get, like, are you just called in whenever they need you? Mm-hmm. And you're, like, it's a retainer, essentially? Like, if they don't call you at all during the month, you're still getting your weekly salary? No, no, you get paid per event. Oh, I see. So it adds up to six figures. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, great. If you're one of the girls that they're working all the time. Okay. And you were, I bet. Yeah, I was working a lot for them. So here's the deal about being naked. Okay. I'm curious about this. Some women say that it feels empowering to be beautiful and... Okay. I hear this. Okay, no, no, no. I hear it, too. Only you've been in this position. I haven't. So there aren't many who have. So you... So there's a feeling, as some would say, of empowerment. I'm comfortable with my body. It's a beautiful body. And I'm going to share it in a public way, but as a way of... Because it's like art. It's beautiful. And why not share it? That would be power. And then some would say it might be, and I'm curious, again, on your side, your thoughts on this, objectifying oneself. Okay. And the opposite. It's an amazing thing. You could, you know, perhaps say both of the same situation because it's feeding it to certain men's fantasies as if you're there just to serve them. And I'm just curious, like, what's your thought on that? So I think I've heard both sides, and I think people are perfectly entitled to... That's how they would feel. Like, I mean, I was 22 when those pictures were taken. Like, empowering, blah, blah, blah. Like, no. Like, comfortable in my own skin. I was 22. Nothing was wagging, sagging, or dragging for crying out loud. Like, if I was going to do it at any time in my life, it was going to be then. Like, would it be a little bit more empowering for me, like, now that I could, you know, that I'm 35 and, you know, things have changed a little bit. I don't quite look the same as I did when I was 22. That would be more of me to say, like, I'm comfortable in my own skin. So at 22, whatever, you just, you weren't even thinking that way. It was a way of just doing something special because Playboy was a big deal. No. No. Playboy found me off the back of the Hollywood Reporter. And I kind of thought it was a big joke. How'd that happen? What do you mean by that? Because I had done an independent film called Malibu Spring Break. And it was, like, a video that was, like, all, like, in blockbusters at the time. Oh, what's a blockbuster? I'm too young. I know. I'm a millennial. I know, I know. So it went straight to video. It was an independent film. And it did really well for block, in, like, blockbuster and then went to cable or whatever. But when they were advertising it, they were advertising on the back of the Hollywood Reporter. And I was completely, like, anti-nudity. Like, they tried to renegotiate my contract, my low-budget contract, like, three times. I was like, no. And just so all of you know who are watching or listening, the Hollywood Reporter is a trade magazine. So you have a lot of casting directors, studio executives, producers, and perhaps even people looking for Playboy models. Well, I know Playboy was getting the magazine. Okay. Obviously, getting the magazine. And so on the back where they were running the big ad for the movie, it was, like, me in a bikini with a bunch of other hot girls, blonde girls in bikinis. And so I thought it was a big joke. I thought that they were asking me to pose because I thought that the production company was just being punks. They called you? Were you living out here at that point? Yeah, I was living out here already. So Playboy called you? Or was it through an agent they found you? They reached out to the production company that did the magazine. And so, you know, I researched. At that time, you know, it was life-changing money for me. It was life-changing money for me and my family. It was $25,000. Okay. But, you know, I mean, I was young. And it was a different time. It was a while ago. It was a long time ago. It was back in 2004. I mean, it was what? 12 years ago. Yeah. A long time ago. Could you negotiate that $25,000? No, it was standard. It was locked. They're like, this is it. Yeah. Yeah, it was standard rates. Whatever girl gets. And did you have to sign off on you, Hugh Huffner? Yeah. I mean, they used Polaroids. They would take like, you would walk in with like no hair, no makeup, and then you'd have to just get naked. And then they would take some Polaroids and off those Polaroids, if you were hot enough for the Polaroids, then you were hot enough for like a proper test where the photographers would come in with lighting and hair and makeup or whatever. So you went to the mansion? I did. I've been to the mansion a lot. But for the first time though, I'm saying like they bring people in, they were using the mansion as a place. No. Well, to stay while I was shooting, yeah. Why do you need to spend the night? Is it that much? Because I live so far away from the studio. I see. And so it was just aggressive for me to have to drive two hours in traffic and then shoot all day and then drive another two hours back. So I just stayed at the mansion. Did they airbrush you a lot? A lot. I wish that they would have done a little bit more. Really? What were you not happy with? I just wish that like I see some of the, some of the, some of the other airbrushing in like my year, like somebody completely had their hoo-ha airbrushed out. Like they had Nova JJ. It was all airbrushed out. Like, and I was like really. Was yours there? Yeah, mine was there. But like I wish that they would have just airbrushed like a little bit more. Like sometimes in the poses, like things just kind of look weird or whatever. I wish that they would have just made my waist a little bit like smaller. Right. You know what I mean? It's a different time now. Everyone gets so airbrushed. Yeah, yeah. I mean, they did a lot of airbrushing back then. So you were anti-nudity yet now you're doing Playboy. Was it the money that enticed you? It wasn't, it was certainly the money was a huge factor for sure because that was life changing. But I researched a lot of like what Hef stood for and what the company stood for. And that's like when I learned a lot about Hef and how he stood up so much for like women's rights. They had the Playboy Foundation that would do so much good, get a lot of people out of trouble that don't belong to be in trouble. Right. You know, and Hef had a tuition reimbursement program for the Playmates because he felt that they were going to be working as a Playmate. We were making more money than what men were making, working, you know, four hours or eight hours. What were you making? Standard Playmate rate was just slightly over a thousand dollars. An hour? No, for the day. Okay. So eight hours. And this was, what would be considered that kind of work? Like could it be just- We'd put on our bunny costume and then we would sit around and take pictures with people. That would just come by? Yes. Do they have that every day? Like they're just always our bunnies around in case they're a guest? No, no, no. No, no, no, no, no. This is at events. I see. So either at an event or a party, but no, not just hanging out. Were the men respectful? Very respectful. Some of them would get out of line or whatever, but for the most part, I felt like men were very intimidating or intimidated. Okay. Do you think that's because you're a powerful, strong woman or just in general, all of the, because you, you know, you do have a very- I do, I do believe that. I feel that I do let off, like, listen, I mean, you have a lot of confidence. Well, I'm like, dude, don't act like a fool around me. Like, don't act like a fool. So I think that I do give off that kind of a vibe, but I feel- And it's good. It's strong, but some men find that probably scary. Yeah, I mean, and I would be lying if I said that there wasn't a single time that a man disrespected me or whatever. They would. They'd get out of line or whatever. They ever smack your ass and think that was okay? They would grab our bunny tail a lot. Nobody ever smacked my ass. Like, and no. Anyone ever say, you know, you're gorgeous? Why not? You know, I'm staying at the Century Plaza. Oh, all the time. Why don't we hang out and have some drinks? All the time, mm-hmm. Anyone ever proposition you for period, just straight on, I'm gonna be right out here and tell you right now, I'd love to take you back to my hotel. Oh, 100%. What's that gonna cost me? No, nobody would ever try money, but they would say, like, you know, I have a private jet or they would entice you with things, and I'd typically say, like, and you also have a wife. Like, how would she feel about that? Right, because they'd have the wedding band on. Yeah. That's great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I don't believe in, I don't believe in, like, that's just bad karma. I totally agree. What about, what about the women who would come and visit? Were they, did you find that they were somehow less respectful than the men? Because you're a fellow woman, they felt like the boundaries would be crossed more easily? Like, maybe they'd smack you in the ass or? Yes. I would, yes, 100%. And you know what's so funny is that, like, if a guy was to smack me on the butt, I would be like, yo, I'd either drop kick him or he would be, like, dragged out by security. Like, that would not be tolerated at all. But if a girl was to do that to us, it would just be like, oh, God, how annoying. Like, she's drunk. But security would never be like, hey, hey, hey. You know what I mean? They would never get kicked out. Because it's cute. I guess so. But it's still inappropriate. Like, just keep your hands to yourself, people. Well, you're not there to have, be fondled. Roped. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm there to take pictures. But, you know, I mean, it was, it was, um. But I bet some of the models did sleep around for money or? Yeah, for sure. And that's been public knowledge. I mean, Rolling Stones has outed them. I mean, that's, did you ever have someone like an older, I don't want to say older, but someone who'd been around a little longer who was going to take you under their wing and kind of say, you know, like, Pilar, what are you doing? Like, you'd be like, oh, my God, I can't believe this guy. Just so then she's like, Pilar, you know, come on. You got to, you know, loosen up a little. You know, have some fun. Have some more drinks. You know, just. So, yeah, I mean, in different situations, yeah. I mean, the girls were always, but people always knew, like, I mean, I would go to church on Sundays. I mean, they would see me pray before I would eat. Like, I would encourage the other girls. They'd be like, what are you doing praying? You want to pray with me? Like, you know, before we were going to eat. Are you Christian? Catholic, yeah. So, and the crazy thing was that I won my first car tithing my Playboy money. So it was like. Oh, really? Yeah, so everybody, like, always knew, like, you know, like, Pilar's not going to go down that route. Where was that? It's like. Out here. To the church. At the church. At the church, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, right, you wanted tithing, so it had to be at the church. Oh, that's awesome. Isn't that funny? Yeah, that's great. It's ironic. I know, I know, totally. But yeah, I mean, it was crazy. It was fun. I mean. If you had a daughter, would you encourage her to be a Playboy playmate? And why is that? No, because, well, first off, the magazine is now non-nude. I know. What do you think of that? I think it's fantastic because I've been so mainstream for so long. I mean, thanks to the success of Deal or No Deal, I was able to become so much more mainstream. And like now, doing, working in fantasy sports, you know, it's so much easier when people are like, oh, but she's a playmate. And they're like, it's not even nude anymore. Like, you know what I mean? And I did it so long ago and I've just moved on from it. It's not like I continuously pose naked or whatever. So I think it's great. It makes all the mainstream stuff that I do so much more easier to negotiate now. It makes you more, you know, there can be less and less women who are beautiful, who actually were naked in that magazine as time goes on because it's time to move on. Real quick, for those of you who don't know what Deal or No Deal is, I just want to remind you because we've spoken about it a bunch of times. This was a game show in about, up to 2010, started around maybe 2005 or so. Yeah. Around that time on NBC Primetime hosted by Howie Mandel. I was Howie's writer and wrote for the show and that's how Pilar and I met. And so I was there from pretty close to the very beginning. The first five shows I was not, they did like a little rollout to see how the show would do. Right. But once it got there, it was like, once it got there, I picked up for a real run. That's when I came in. And it was just an awesome experience. It really, really was. Yes. It was. The girls were awesome. They were a lot of fun. So I want to get back to why you said, let's say we have the equivalent of Playboy one day and your daughter, why did you say no that you wouldn't want her? Well, okay. So when I posed for the magazine, it was, I was in a completely different situation than what my daughter would be in today. You know, I used the money I helped my mom pay off her debt. I helped my sister go to school. How much debt did she have? My mom? Like a lot. Like $100,000? No, no, no, no. But I mean, it was a lot in terms of... $50,000? No, I mean, because it was like less than... It depends on... If you're not making money, a lot of money, even a small amount can seem like a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, what I did with like my $25,000 after paying my taxes was I helped my sister go to school and I helped my sister and I paid off my mom's debt. So all of that... That's a nice daughter. Well, but my mom did a lot for us. What did she do? I mean, I'm not saying that. Are you kidding me? She raised us. No, no, no. I'm not saying she didn't do anything. What I'm asking is it didn't come out right. Like, was she working like three jobs? Was she cleaning houses? Oh, she always had two jobs. Like that kind of situation? She always had two. I was cleaning houses at 12 years old. Like, she taught us like nothing in life is handed to you. You work hard. Are you free Thursday? My place. What a day. I do not... I'm totally kidding. ...clean houses now. I do not clean houses. My top. I'm going to tell you. Maybe you can give me some secrets. I clean my place. Okay, good. That's why I need some help. Jeez. I'm just a... It's just a joke. No, but you know, at 12 years old, I couldn't get a job anywhere else, so I would clean a house for $25. I love that. Could you imagine? No, but I love that, you know, you didn't think you were better then. No, no, no. We'd rake leaves and like, to this day, Vic, let me tell you something. If push came to shove and I had to go back to work, I am not too good to get any kind of a job. Like, I would work at, you know, I would work as a receptionist. I would work at a fast food place. Like, I am not above anything. In-N-Out supposedly has really good benefits. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do they have benefits? Oh, forget it. For benefits? Do you know what it's like, how hard it is to get, like, good medical insurance at the end of the day? Yeah, I know. Nothing at Playboy. They weren't offering it back then. No, I don't work for them anymore. I know, but back then, were you getting health insurance? No, no, no. So, what about Hugh? You know, I'm just curious. Like, you know, there's such a, he's such a legend. Did he ever have- You know, Vic, I have to tell you, though. I had no idea you were this interested in the world of Playboy. Well, you know, I'm interested in everything about you. Stop it. This is just part of it. Stop it, okay. Well, I'll tell you. So have. You know what? I am here as a liaison between the people watching and listening. I am only here for them. I have zero interest in Playboy. Oh, of course. None. Of course. No, it was my gateway drug. I will say, so did he ever hit on you? Was there ever anything inappropriate? No, no, because I'm a brunette. Oh, he only likes blonde. That could be changed. Yeah, he'd have to be like, him hitting on me would have been like, oh, darling, here's a bottle of bleach. Did he ever talk to you? All the time. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sometimes he would try to give us advice and I'd be, actually, the best advice, though, that he did give me was for my first book cover. I took him, the pictures, and we picked out my book cover together. Now, the book is called Treat Your Lady. Treat Me Like Your Car. I love that. It's a man's guide to treating a lady. Did you come up with that? Yeah. Because it's such a great line. Really? Yeah. You could do a whole stand-up routine on that. I mean, that was a line that I would always just stop it. You know, they buff in. 100%. I mean, it's their baby. 100%, yes. And it was just, it's the universal language between men and women. And the frustrations that I was having with my boyfriend when I was always using car analogies was like, why don't you just treat me like I was your car? And he would be like... Did he treat his car nicely? Oh, my goodness. It was insane. Well, that's crazy because you are a classic. Right? That's not right. It's good that you spoke up. Yeah, I did. Jeremy, cue the music, please. Hello? Little Lionel Richie, I'm romancing you with here. Oh. I hope everyone can hear it. Can we just give us 10 seconds of it a little hotter, a little higher up there, a little louder? I've been alone with you inside my mind. That's aggressive. Yeah, it is a little aggressive. But we're further into the interview now. At this point, we're okay. Okay. I wouldn't start. This is song number three or four. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. I sometimes see you pass outside my door. It's true. You've been walking by my door like all the time. You are a crazy stalker. Hello? I can't help it. Hello? Hello? Is it me you've been looking for? I have. It's funny because I can totally see it in your eyes. Give me 10, a little more. I think, hold on. Just a little more. Thank you, Jeremy. Ever? Ever. Ever, ever? I was held back on deal. I mean, it's not right to date people you work with. You're right. I had to stay away from you. You're right. And I had to stay away from you. And I needed you to explore yourself and go to Machu Picchu. Yes. And become a better person. I needed you. Yes. The timing's just right. Keep it a little longer. Oh, dear. It's a little bit of a music bridge for us to get ourselves contained. Right, for sure. Hold ourselves back. I really do. It's brunette, I know, but I'm sure it's... You know what I'm saying? It's a little difficult to see it. You know, yeah. How much I care. I do. I care. You care. Sometimes or all the time? Always. Sometimes, always? Sometimes I feel my... Sometimes, always. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. I gotta let you know, Pilar. I always wonder where you are. It's been a long time. All the time, yes. Since 2010. It has, it has. I'm happy for Facebook. Yeah. I try to keep myself away from you. I'm happy for you. But I couldn't help it. But with somebody loving me. Tell me how to win your heart. Tell me. Tell me, Pilar. How do I win your heart? I did get your mom's favorite candy. You did. You did. And all these candles. Yes. All these different scents. Hold on. I love you. I'm not ready. I'm not ready. Do you? I'm not ready because I went to... Do you say it to me? Say it to me. I love you. Say it. Say it like you mean it, Vic. Say it like you mean it. Pilar. Pilar. I love you. I'm not convinced. I'm not convinced. Really? That... No, I'm not. I convinced myself. I thought that was so good. No. No. Let me say it again. Should I take the glasses off? Maybe. Give me some goo goo eyes. We have really nice... No, no. It just looks like you had to rest. That was awful. That was really bad. That was so bad. Oh, my God. Your sexy faces are aggressive. Hello. Hello. Is it me? Vic Cohen? Yes. Come on, this would be good. A Catholic and a Jew. A hundred percent. I mean, our children would be very confused. No, they wouldn't. They'd be so happy. Oh, you're right. They'd be Catholic. Because they take on the religion of their mother. They would be Catholic with a barbed bar mitzvah. They would be a wonderful mix. A hundred percent. Of the best of you and me. A hundred percent. Only the best. I'm ready. I'm ready to have kids. Stop it. But let them have my say. It's true. Really? I'm serious. My goodness. It's a hundred percent true. My goodness. They'll always treat you like a princess. I believe that. Better than my car. Better than your car? Yeah. My car's got... I hit someone in a car wash the other day. Can you believe that? But you accepted responsibility for it. They had no problem. They were fine. No, it was crazy. I took my foot off the accelerator and I didn't realize I wasn't in neutral. I smashed into... I was like, I'm going to get into this car in a drive-thru. Like an automatic thing. I think they thought it was the car wash. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. And I smashed... Jeremy, let's... Next song, please. Oh, my. Oh, my. Yeah. Yeah, it's true. But I try and treat my car nicely. But I would... I'm not that big of a car guy. But that's okay. So the concept behind the thing... The book. If people want to buy this book, how do they get it? You can go to Barnes & Noble's. Barnes & Noble's.com. Amazon. On the iBooks. And it's called, again? Treat Me Like Your Car. It's a man's guide to treating a lady. And it's Pilar, P-I-L-A-R. A-R. Yeah, and so... L-A-S-T-R-A. T as in Tom. L-A-S-T-R-A. Right. Cohen. C-O-H-E-N. Oh, it's just... It just rolls off your tongue. Lester Cohen. It's so easy, right? Easy. Lester Cohen. Or just Pilar Cohen. Just Pilar Lester. You'd be such a good temple lady. I love... She's off of your Catholic church. Hello. Sundays are church. Friday night is... Is temple. Yes, you'd be great. It'll help your career. For sure. Not that you need any help. Right. Because you really don't. So, yeah. But no, so you don't have to be a big car guy. Like, the whole concept is, even if you're not a big car guy and you own a car, you still know you have to do the bare minimum scheduled maintenance for your car to get you from point A to point B. Right. And for it to be reliable. And the better that you are to your car, the longer it's going to last. The same with a relationship. Well, there's a saying that I totally believe in. Okay? And I think it doesn't have to be just for the wife. But they say, happy life, happy wife. Yes. And, you know, when you've got someone special and you're like, why wouldn't you treat them that way? 100%. And I think that that does go for your husband as well. Or your... Right, I agree. Your man, or you know what I mean? But it rhymes. Yeah. Yeah. But still, like, if your man's happy... Oh, good. Oh, there's the book cover. Look at Jeremy. He is amazing. You are so good. Isn't he great? Treat me like... In a car. Yep. So help me pick out that cover. They're all... Who did? Hugh? Hef. Hugh. Okay, everybody else has missed. Hugh Hefner. Hugh Hefner, yeah. Well, you just call him Hef. If you don't know who he is, by the way, if you're watching or listening, you must be too young to be watching this. Oh, wait, new song. It's been on for a minute. Oh, they've been noticing. I'm happy you noticed. It's like the scene from Ghost. Uh-huh. We've got our arms around each other. Right, right, right. Have you done any pottery? Instead of pottery, there's, like, candles melting, yeah. Hey, come on. Those candles. I took these from home. This was a lot of work. So much work. It's ridiculous. I'm kidding. It wasn't much work. So what is... So let's talk... I know you're, like, a fantasy football sports analyst. You guys, if you guys are into fantasy sports, football, whatever, you've got to check her out. I mean, like, she really knows her stuff. There's a documentary I watched tonight in preparation of our date. So impressed. Yeah. And... And it's a documentary called Living the Fantasy. I want you all to check it out. You can buy it on Amazon. It's an Amazon film, I believe, correct? Mm-hmm. And it was cheap. It was, like, $3.99 or $3.95. And Pilar is on this as an expert in fantasy football. Yeah. And it's a great film for you, I think. I've had my show for a very long time now, and that's what we do. We give people die-hard fantasy football advice. And now, as of Friday, I'll start covering year-round fantasy football. I'll start covering hockey, golf, fantasy surf. I mean, there's a fantasy surf competition going on right now. Have you ever surfed? No, no. I haven't. I mean, I know it's not necessary. Yeah, no. But, you know, a lot of the people ever since the world of the daily fantasy sports came around, a lot of these people never even were into football. Now, let's be clear. It's just a numbers thing. Well, the thing that's... Sorry to have interrupted you. No, no, you're fine. So with fantasy football, a lot in the old days, and that's only, like, 90 years ago, not that long ago, people would play a whole season. Yeah. And so, like, you'd wait pretty much to the end for the big jackpot. Is that correct? Right, 100%. And now, there's something called fantasy football, like a daily... Daily. So literally... Daily fantasy sports. And does that mean you could win a million dollars on any given Sunday? Any given... Oh, my, are you kidding me? I mean, it can be any given day. That there's a football game. They do it for golf? That's what I'm saying. In fantasy football, it would be... In fantasy football, yeah. Yeah. So you don't have to wait the whole season. No. So to give you guys... On a week, and sometimes it actually goes into Monday because they let you play the Monday night games. Oh, wow, okay. So in other words, it's literally, like, self-contained. It's like you could win based on one... Is it one night of football or one day of football of all the games that one day? Yeah, basically, like, the week of football. So the Millionaire Maker contest will happen, like, on a Sunday, the Sunday games, but they include the Mondays. Okay, but that's it? That's it. Whatever happened before is irrelevant. No, 100%. So you pay your... 20, 25 bucks, whatever the company is charging, and as long as it's legal in your state, some states don't allow this, but, yeah, you set your lineup based off the salary cap, and then you can win a million dollars, or... And then they have other ones, too, that aren't... Because the Millionaire Makers, like, normally, they have close to 300,000 people competing, and it's whoever gets the highest score, so... Is it like getting Keno? Like, you know, like, it's such a crapshoot. It's so impossible. No, no, no, no, no, no, because it's not... It's not a thing of... I mean, there's a lot of luck, for sure, but a lot of it is numbers, and it's really a game of skill. If you do your research, and, you know, you know the probability, you know the defenses, you know the match-ups, you know the coaching schemes, you know the injuries, then you have a much better chance at making an educated guess as to who's gonna be a breakout player, you know, who's gonna get you the most points, what combination is gonna help you the most. To earn your cred here in fantasy football, and we didn't talk about this, so if you're not prepared, I totally understand. Who would you say is either your top player you see for next year, or like, I guess, like say the one everyone would wanna be drafting, or the top three? Well, I'm gonna say it's gonna be Cam Newton, because normally I'm not big on drafting quarterbacks until the fifth round, but Cam Newton's gonna go in the first round without a question of a doubt. Antonio Brown's probably gonna go first if you're in a PPR league, but... What's a PPR league? Points per reception. Okay, see, this is where... So if they're targeted a lot, and their targets turn into catches, they don't even need to... You get a point for that. So they don't even need to get you the six extra points for the touchdown, and Antonio Brown will get you touchdowns. Okay, right now, it's like hearing trigonometry. I've lost it. No, I mean, it's so complex to me. So you know, like as an analyst, you would know who's getting the most amount of targets, and who's able to turn those targets into receptions. Okay, I'm not... I don't know anything about this. I mean, I'd watch the documentary, but this gets really complicated to me. So like, do you have a favorite football team? Well, I mean, I grew up watching the Bears, so I guess I like the Bears, but I think I suck. Oh, I'm so sorry, yeah. And I don't think it's smart when you're doing fantasy football to have any allegiance to anyone. Never, never. Because I mean, you would say like, you know, in that particular case, like who is it that Cutler is going to be targeting the most? Well, typically, it was Alshon Jeffrey, but with all the injuries that he had last year, that was really hurtful for people in season long who drafted him, you know, so... And the same with like Bennett. Well, Bennett was hurt. Like he was getting a lot of the receptions. So, so that's how you would know, but you have to say out of all the times that he targets his favorite person, how many times are they catching the ball? Because every time they catch the ball, you get a point. Okay, I still am confused, but we'll talk later. Okay. I know I need to really study it because it's, I don't know, for whatever, it just seems complicated to me, but I want to just, for all of you who are unfamiliar with fantasy football, the thing that blew me away, first of all, that documentary is seriously great. Yeah. Because you see that this isn't, I thought it was just a little thing that people do. I mean, there are people getting really rich. Oh, 100%. Making hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of dollars. 100%. And just to give all of you an idea of how big this is, and particularly for Pilar, she is ground floor. Yeah. There are not, I bet there are probably no women, or if there are women, there's none at your level of knowledge and the way, you know, you're so articulate. So you combine all that, you're a, I mean, this is like right place, right time, and you have such a love of the sport. Right. I mean, you love all sports. You have to love the sport to be able to always, I mean, I watch tape all week long. Once the season starts, all we do is just watch tape and I just watch the games over and over and over and over again. Lisa Ann, who was a former porn star, she got into fantasy sports just a couple years ago. And so this is her, last year was her second year covering fantasy sports. I don't know her, but yeah. Really sweet girl. Really sweet girl. She works really, really hard. And so, you know, and she's, I mean, I've been doing it for so long, so it's nice to see another girl come into it. We're actually co-hosting a show on Friday night together, and then we're gonna move it to Thursday. Where can people listen to that? On SiriusXM on the fantasy sports channel. Just the two of you are gonna be doing that? Okay, cool. Yeah. And this, I think, really shows, I pulled this from the documentary and then I followed up, I looked it up online. In 2014, Forbes did a list of the hottest startups. Yeah. Okay, and this is what blew me away. Okay, we all know Uber. Uber's huge, right? That was one of the startups only in 2014. Hottest startup. Another one on the list was Jessica Alba's The Honest Company. Oh, yeah. Another one was Airbnb. Okay? Really? Yes. And another one, this is where I wanted to get because I want all of you to, it really encapsulates how big this is. Huge. And how big you are in this business and you're just gonna keep growing. And I'm really excited for you because it is such a natural fit. It's a lot of fun. I love what I do. Well, it's obvious and I remember back until or no till, you were extremely into sports. Yeah. I mean, so the other one is called DraftKings. DraftKings, yeah. And DraftKings is one, is a website for fantasy football. I don't know if it's just football. No, no, no. They cover, and actually, DraftKings is probably above FanDuel, which is their biggest competitor because DraftKings was really aggressive, A, in their marketing, but also at covering all sports. So, you can even play daily fantasy MMA. Okay. Like, name it. Really? And there, you're able to make money in it in one way or another. Now, we have to run. We, believe it or not, we've like flown through this hour. Jeremy, can you, next song, please? I picked each of these. I love this song. With you in mind. Oh. I love this song. We've never done this. It's not like this. I don't believe this. I'm gonna ask the other girls from Deal or No Deal that have been on this show. If I played music, If you played all these songs and then candles. And brought them chocolates. Never happened. Stop it. I don't believe you. Okay. You can ask them. I don't believe you. So, if those of you who'd love to check out Pilar, tell us where again they can find you. You can either listen to my show on Sirius XM Fantasy Sports Radio. Thursday nights will be the normal. If they want to hear old episodes or? Oh, you can, you can hear them on demand. Okay. What is on Sirius? What time and what channel? Sirius XM. So, we're gonna be on this Friday, but then we go to Thursday nights. So, you can just follow me on Twitter. I always do updates and Instagram. The real. The real. You should believe somebody took my name. Yeah, that was me. How obnoxious. Give it back. So, yeah, on Twitter, I'm at the real Pilar Lastra. Everything else, Instagram, I'm just Pilar Lastra. Okay. Well, I just can't thank you enough. Thanks so much for having me on. No, it's been awesome. And you know, it's like, you deserve the success. Aw. You work so hard and look where you come from. You know, it's a beautiful, I came from San Antonio. Great things come out of San Antonio. I'm just saying, you really, you know, you worked hard. Yeah. You gave that money to your mom. For sure. I mean, you know, and that's living in abundance, not being afraid, holding on to money. No. You know, like in doing, putting in the right place. People make money. It's easy. It's easy. I'm telling you, the happiest I ever was when I quit making so much money was teaching, started teaching yoga to children with disabilities. I mean, that's. Do you still do that? Yeah. That's great. Yeah, yeah. All right. Well, thanks again for being a part of our series here. You know, it's so great to have you and catch up. It's amazing how much has gone on in your life. I know. I know. A lot of time has passed. It has. All right. Well, thank you guys also. You guys watching, listening, please subscribe. Vic Cohen's It's a Fair Question. I'm on iTunes and that's it. And look, hopefully I will, you know, subscribe. All right. I kind of ran out of stuff to say. I said like, didn't I? No, that's perfect. And I never do. That's perfect. Subscribe. I guess I'm all tongue tied. 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