Charlie Guinao, Fla, and magician Micah Culver discuss Burning Man, music, and magic

Welcome to my life. I can take a wild guess. You know what's crazy? What is this? Sushi means sex. What is going on on this show? It's the lighter side of the dark side. Oh, no, he didn't. What did you do? Welcome to the lighter side of the dark side. Better late than never. I do apologize for the late start. We're on Burning Man time apparently tonight, so it's pretty casual. A little behind, a little behind. A little behind. Burning Man, I guess a couple people went to it here. Well, what? We'll be talking about that. By the way, that is my beautiful and sassy co-host, Josie Cat. Hello, dark minions. She looks like Nicole Kidman. She looks like Nicole Kidman. Very sexy, Nicole Kidman. You keep insisting that. Just so you know that. And I am shocked. I like that one, though. You like Nicole Kidman? I mean, she looks so nice. It's crazy. I've never heard that. I think she looks better than Nicole Kidman. Oh, thank you. But that's a compliment. She is a lot more gothic. A little more gothic, a little more tattoos. Yes. A few more tattoos. A little bust here. A lot more bust here. Yes. And she didn't pretend to have sex with Tom Cruise. So as far as... So I... That's a mean thing to say. Yeah. Anyway, I'm amazed that Josie Cat has never met our first guest, our guest tonight. Yeah. Beautiful woman. He forgets the name. Singer. No, no. He's giving you the big intro. You go by many names. She's a hyphenate. Everybody we have on the show is a hyphenate. She's a singer. She's a singer. She's a guitar player. She's the leader of the band Many of Odd Nature, which is more than a band. It's an art collective, and we'll talk about that. She's also... Because I did extensive research. We have some gorgeous girls here. Yes, we do. I mean, we always do. Extensive research. We always have a hot crowd. But you've done some modeling. You've done some acting. Is that correct? Some acting? Acting, modeling. Just backstage or background stuff. Not real acting. Anyway, this is Charlie... Anyways, yeah, yeah. Charlie Jeannot. Guinao. Guinao. It's a vulgar gu. Charlie Guinao. Yeah. Also knows Charlie Hattrick. Thank you, darling. Tips the hat to you. Yes. And also, Charlie brought a friend. Yes. Moral support. The cheerleader. The cheerleader. And your full name is... Because you guys got the first name. Fla. Just Fla? Just Fla. Fla. Just you made it up. No, I thought that was the last name. I got Fla. Okay, the full name will be Flaminia Fanale, but it's... Whatever. Fla. She's making it up. Fla. I just made it up. Beautiful Fla. Where are you from? Italy? Because I love that accent. Oh. Oh, Paisana. Not really. I'm a city person. Engage. No, no, but I'm part Italian. I'm trying to bond with you. If you call somebody a peasant, you know that's not... No, no, I didn't say peasant. I said Paisana. Paisana. Sister Paisan. Sure. Anyway. Is that clock for real? Yeah, we're... Oh, it's coming down. It's a countdown. I'm like, oh my God, this is bad. Yes, Charlie. It's a countdown. Yes, Charlie. There's a bomb in the studio. We have 51 seconds to... Damn, I really was running late. To clip the wires and get that bomb. But you know, I... That's the clock timing mark, how many minutes he has to try and pick up on you. Well, trust me, I've picked up on Charlie before, and we'll talk about that. Oh. Every single guest. Okay, I'll play along. I've never picked up on you, Charlie. Are you serious? What do you mean? Like, come on to me? Come on to you, yes. Okay, anyway, so... And why wouldn't I? But, you know, before we go into that, and there's a lot to get into, because Charlie is one of the people that I wanted to have. When I first got the show in April 1st, he's one of the first people I actually said, I want you on the show. She forgets this. I don't remember that. She forgets that I did this, but I did. These two, Josie Cat and Charlie, I definitely wanted on the show. Josie was on the show, and now I can't get rid of her. And you finally... He's attached. You finally actually heard about the show. Yeah, that's me. Immediately got, yeah. Yes. So anyway, but you know, it's time for, because all of Hollywood circles around this woman, it's time for... The Josie Cat Hollywood Report. Woo-hoo. Woo-hoo. Woo-hoo. Anyway, she was in the band Piss Ants, and now she's also in the band Carrero. Yes, our show is coming up. Well, give me the Hollywood report first. I want the Hollywood report. Don't get too excited because there's not much of a report. I work most of the weekend. I didn't see you at the fetish show. I have about 10 events coming up. I remember where I saw her. I had to prepare for all my events the next two months. It's insane. Okay. I have quite a Hollywood report myself. Maybe you should do it. I can tell you what's coming up that I've been preparing for. There's a Bar Sinister event. Well, the big event is Carrero. Yeah, that's on the 17th. Alexis Arquette is going to be hosting for us. Right. And I am looking for a girl to be my dog. My guitar player told me to announce that. Play? Play? Available? To be my dog. Oh, my God. Claw. She's not available. They have to be okay with holding a dog toy in their mouth. Carly? I'm not a sub, my dear. I'm sure I'll find someone. Far from a sub. I'm going to be also at Noise Factory on the 14th, which is over where the Bondage Ball and Bazaar and everything at 333. So I'll be there. I'm going to be everywhere the next few weeks. And you're going to be... So this weekend I chilled out. I think I... What did I do? I think I did something. Oh, I went to Danzig. Oh, that's what I was going to get to. You got Danzig tickets on Groupon. Yes. I was at Danzig. That's double the Satan. That was Friday. And when I was... Jeremy, what did you think of Danzig? It seemed like a long time ago. I thought it was a great show, actually. Really? Yeah. What did you think of Sheree Cray? That thing was a little weird to me. Wasn't it like... It was... I thought it was like the Rocky Horror Picture Show or something. She was all over him in this really strange way. She was all over him in this really strange way. She was all over him in this really strange way. They were doing a ballad. Yeah. And they were dancing around. You said it sounded like Meatloaf and... It was a cross between the Rocky Horror Picture Show and Meatloaf. Good show, man. Yeah, definitely. I had a crush on him. You know, that's what people say about me. But I'm a cross between Rocky Horror Picture Show and Meatloaf. And Meatloaf was in the Rocky Horror Picture Show. Yeah, you look a little like that. I worshipped him when I was younger. Well, no wonder we got along. So anyway... Where's your hand? But yeah, Jeremy, did you get your tickets at Groupon? Actually, it's funny you say that because I didn't get the tickets, but a friend of mine got them through Groupon. And they were like 12 bucks or something. Apparently, Groupon had a big dance. And then we just... We didn't give a fuck about the seats we were assigned to and just went right up front. And like one row before the pit because they were pretty hard on letting people into the pit, like sneaking in there. The girl I took actually got to sneak in though and she got a bunch of good pictures. Oh, cool. It was right up front. So you snuck right past Josie. Yeah, you know what? I've seen him a few times. And actually, my good friend Russ is his personal assistant. Okay. And I didn't... I was like, I'm not in the mood to like beg and go back. And I had to leave and go home and go work. So it was like... I knew a couple of people. I ran into Carla from Butcher Babies. She's going on tour with them. Oh, great. So Butcher Babies will be through Halloween with Danzig. That sounds... So I was just... I knew if I went backstage, and did the whole after party, it was just... I was going to be toast on Saturday, and I just had too much to do. I can imagine. So... But you know what I forgot to do? What'd you forget? I forgot to say who's sponsoring the show. Hillary's Vanity. Hillary's Vanity is our sponsor. Have you seen her clothes? Yes. You know Hillary. She's amazing. She's a best sale. Hillary, we are sponsored. This show is sponsored by hillarysvanity.com. Thank you, Hillary. You rock. Hillary's the best. It's... Don't be afraid to be... Don't say vain. Don't say vain like it's a bad thing. We have our pleasure chest paddles. Are they sponsoring our show? They're providing paddles, so we can whip your ass. Because I was going to say... Makes me think of the Lee brothers. I was going to say... I was going to mention that... No, but Hillary is. Hillary Vanity, they have great clothes, and also the clothes are from sizes extra small, the 4X. So whatever your size, they've got you covered, and the stuff is great. Nice. Fla? Hobie is 4X. 4X. That's like my size. No, actually, it's more than my size. It's like bigger than me. Bigger than me. She looks like a supermodel. She's super tall. She's beautiful. She's beautiful. And she's like, I'm not going to talk on air, and now she's talking. I can't shut her the fuck up. She's just forced upon me. 4X is pretty... 4X is like two sizes bigger than me. I'm 2X. That's 4X. But that's just... I don't want to talk about what's in my pants. The thing is... Not much. You would know. So, but Hillary's Vanity... Disclaimer. Hillary's Vanity, I was going to say, they are looking for plus-size models. Nice. Male and female. That's good to know. So, if you... No plus-sizes in here besides myself and Jeremy in the control room. So, if you're a plus-size model... Oh, she made such an easy jab there. I dodged that bullet. If you... I know you... And I'm going to talk about this in a second, but... So, go to hillarysvanity.com if you want a plus-size model for her. This is good for me. Now I can... Email her through hillarysvanity.com. If you want to get a price, you can make a private appointment at her private warehouse if you live in LA. I know someone, Missy. Monster would be perfect. Okay. Well, hook it up. Yeah. Anyway. I mean, you've met Missy. She did the... She did the... She's a makeup artist. Hey, come on in. We got some more people coming in. Hey, come on in. Hey, come on in. It's a party. Who do we have? Come on in. Who is this? I don't know. I've never met you. I don't actually know her. This is Micah Colbert. This is a magician from Energy Castle. Let me say hi real quick. Oh, my God. You pronounce your name Micah? Yes, sir. Micah Colbert. Micah Colbert. Do you work with Wacko? Wacko? Wacko? Yeah. Yeah, we had Wacko on the show. We had Michael Vile. Wacko is Wacko. Michael Vile did our theme song, by the way. Oh, Michael Vile. Yeah. Michael Vile did our theme song. See, we're one big happy family. We're one big happy family. This is Micah Colbert, ladies and gentlemen. Magician from the Magic Castle. Welcome to Magic Castle. There you go. There you go. I promised Josie some magic on the show, and here you are. Yay! I'm nervous. Magic! So cool. And Josie, it's nice to meet you. Yeah, it's nice to meet you. So we have Charlie here from Many of Odd Nature. Yes. Well, since Micah came in, let's start out with talking about this benefit that he's got coming up. All right, let's do that. In November, he's got a... Go ahead, Micah. Yeah, sure. It's at the Magic Castle. It's called the 9th Annual Night of the Raven, and it's... Facebook it. Yeah, that's right. How God. Yeah, it's very God. It's very God. I love the Night of the Raven. Yeah. And it's... Rawr! Rawr! You should introduce us. That was very good. I'd love to. That was awesome. And as she said, it's at the Magic Castle, and it's the 9th Annual. We get to do it every year, and about three times now, I think we've had the pleasure of having Many of Odd Nature to be the official band. Oh, how cool. Yeah, it's... Look at you. That's awesome. You go girl. The thing that's really cool about this event is it's Micah's way of supporting the castle. All the proceeds, it's a little benefit, all the proceeds goes towards the Magic Castle. The library. That's right. Yeah. That thing always needs repairs. Right? I mean, it has to be such a money pit. Yeah, they always need more resources. I mean, it's so old. Yeah, well, yeah. Yeah. So that's where we come in, and thanks to people like Charlie and Many of Odd Nature, we get a lot of people to come in. I'll volunteer. Okay, cool. I would love to. You know, my cousin used to work there. Oh, at the Magic Castle? Yeah. Oh, no kidding. What did your cousin do? She was a magician's assistant with Sandra Bernhardt, No kidding. They both worked there together. They were roommates. Oh, that's so cool. You have to understand, Josie has the center of Hollywood. Everything revolves around her. You know everybody. That's amazing. Well, I was born here. Oh, wow. I was born in North Hollywood. Except for Charlie. From Many of Odd Nature. She knows everybody. I see you recognize her. You know what? I just suddenly, I suddenly recognized her. Okay. I fly her for a few of the local underground scenes. I think I was flying for Bondage Ball that night, and it was at the Dragonfly. You came out, and I fly her, and I remember, I overheard you briefly talking to you, and I overheard you mention it. Yeah, anyways. Just flying. Oh, cool. So you two have met. My way of meeting people is flying. That's a good way to meet people. You've done my show in 15 minutes, and the microphone's already broken. You can't take Charlie anywhere. I gotta tell you, it's that flying, the reason why you know Michael Vile, it was I was flying for Dust Bunker. Was it at Dust Bunker? Actually, no. It was L.A. Dead at Dust Bunker. I was flying for Christian Vox, and this guy comes out. He says he's a magician or something. He'll throw these little events like carnival sort of events with magicians. Mike has been an awesome performer there as well. Thank you. And yeah, and Mr. Vile comes out. He says something like, you know, he's got some tricks, and I'm like, oh yeah, let me see some tricks. Within five minutes, this guy had an audience around him. Shit's flying in the air. It was cool. Well, so thanks to this flying gig. Right. That's Michael. You know Michael Vile. And by the way, Michael will be performing at my show tomorrow night if you listen to this live at the CIA. Oh, that's great. Didn't we do that once with you before? We did that. That place is so much fun. So much fun. Describe to the audience, for those who haven't been there, what it's like when you walk in. Okay. We're not going to get anything I'm planning on talking to. But no, it's like a circus sideshow. You walk in, it's like a circus sideshow. It's bright colors. There's a fairy on display. There's a dead clown on display. There's severed heads. It's weird. Shrunken arms. It's so cool. It's like Ripley's Believe in or Not on acid. Ripley's Believe in or Not filmed there. Oh, did it? They filmed there and then they got canceled because, because they filmed The Severed Arm, which apparently is cursed. Oh. And there went Dean Cain's career. But no, we have comedy. Let me just run it down real quick. And go to ciabnormalarts.com. Go to darkmarkshow.com. Go to my Facebook, gothcomedian.com, my Twitter, gothcomedian. Is the show over already? Usually. Anyway. It's 11334 Burbank Boulevard, North Hollywood. We've got Jen Bars hosting Very Funny Comedienne. And we've got who has her own show, The Raw Report. She's very funny. Raw, raw. Raw. It's not quite as raw as this show because last week we shocked the guests. But you know, we have Chad Ridgely who had a Fox TV pilot and is hilarious. He just put out a rap song called Big Boobies on Blondes, Brunettes, and Redheads. He's on the show. Scott Schultz who's a spoken word performer is going to be on the show. We're going to have Tanya Estrada who's on 94.3. She's on the radio. She's very funny. She actually used to be in the band Ophelia, Ophelia Rising who threw cupcakes at people at Bar Sinister once. Oh, no. We also have Dave Shelton who we've had on the show who wrote for National Lampoon. We have the bands The Next and Whisper Gun. It's going to be quite a show. So if you can make it, come on down. I'm trying to make it as a collective as Charlie's events because Charlie throws these Carnival Noir. Carnival Noir, yes. Carnival Noir is like it's my little baby. It's like my baby of 2009 burning. It was my first burn in the U.S. You know, the goth scene, the burlesque scene. Basically, Carnival Noir is like the child of all that. Patrick Saxon. Right. Well, let me just give some backstory to Charlie because Charlie, first off, stunning. Every time I see her She is gorgeous. Every time I see her I just want to look in the eyes take her in my arms. Wait, is this on? Are we on the air? Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead. No, Charlie, is she great or what? We should leave you two alone. No, no, that's okay. Charlie. I agree with everything you're saying. Charlie, Charlie, Charlie is a singer and performer. I first met her, she was my MySpace friend and she invited me to a show and this was Many of Odd Nature when it was just kind of just the regular band and I was blown away by the guitar playing by the songs because you study guitar at the Musicians Institute. Yeah, MI. MI. And they don't just let anybody in there. I mean, you have to apply and you have to know a certain amount and then Like if Josie came in there and started singing I got your best and your best sucks they'd be like, yeah, I don't think so. I get that everywhere I go. You have to have some musical ability to even be in the Musicians Institute and then they teach you to even be better. Yeah. And, but Many of Odd Nature has evolved from that and it's not just a man. You have an announcer. A host, yeah. A host, Patrick the Bank Robber and if he's not available you call me and then I'm the backup host because I hosted when we played Yes, the Sunset Strip. The Sunset Strip Music Festival Josie did not believe me. Oh, there's footage. At the Key Cloud. Last year I was at the Sunset Strip Music Festival hosting for men. Why would I not believe? I said it on the air two weeks ago. You're like, you're lying. Oh, I was messing with you. You're lying because you were there as an audience member. I was there as a performer. Yeah, we got that on, it's online. Okay, so it's real and you also have Michael Vial, the magician who's been on the show and will be on again and does our theme song and it's an eclectic mix. It's a show. I have basically ADD and so I need constant greenery entertainment. It's rock. Yeah. It's got elements of cabaret, of waltz, goth, industrial, trip-hop. Trip-hop? Yeah. You describe it much better than I do. But it's really evolved. I mean, it's gone from just a regular cool rock band to just a whole thing. Yeah. Strange percussion and we have fun. Yeah, so you just have fun and you get everything out there. Yeah, but yeah, a lot of cool stuff going on this month. So we got the news from Micah. He wants us on board again for the Magic Castle. We just shot a music video two weeks ago which I was, you know, the goal was to have it finished by tonight to have it on air but, you know, I'm actually, I think, like 30 seconds away from finishing it. Unfortunately, I have a day job that I had to, you know, it's time. It's so precious. And we were outside and we were accosted by some interesting downtown folk Yeah, so the video we just shot two weeks ago, Dragonfly hooked us up with Free Venue which was really cool. Thank you, Happy Harry, for helping us out with that. And the video, I'm so sorry I missed the shoot. Oh, yeah, we know it would have been fun to have you. It was fun because the song's, it's got zombies involved in it and it's basically, it's called Eat You Alive. It was originally Eat You Alive and then I ended up having to give in to switching it because it actually worked better if I switched it. It was anyways. So it was Eat You Alive. It was Eat You Alive which was supposed to be a touristic meaning for like, you know, I'm not bullshitting myself or are you like trying to kill it both at the same time? Right. But I ended up actually just twisting it to Eat You Alive and it's now a little play off of what the French call an orgasm. You know, La Petite Mort, it means a little death. I know an orgasm. Well, this is now a zombie play. So basically, everybody's dying in this figure to sort of Eat You Alive and the song's written about this chick that I was like, you know, pretty much, you know, she's cute. She was eating you alive? you know, I guess. Was that Flaw? I mean, Flaw's very silent now but you're running about a woman in the head. So yeah, and now the video has evolved, the song has evolved to, you know, a zombie video and we, you know, we got, you know, Cleve Hall came in. He's a monster, sci-fi's monster man. He came in and helped do makeup. He helped pull in the CMS students. Well, me and my buddy, Ron, he's out there. We went over to the zombie run they had. I forget where the hell we were. Oh yeah, that was a couple weeks ago. Yeah, yeah, we went there and we recruited zombies but by luck, you know, there's, turns out the kids that were doing the makeup there, they were from the school and they knew Cleve Hall and it was like, hey, fuck it, let's fucking, they ended up coming on board and we ended up having a huge crew to help make up people up and EI, MI's makeup program as well. It was really cool. There's no shortage of zombies in Los Angeles. There are. There's no shortage. Now, do we have that song? Is that the song that you brought? You know, yeah, it is. We do have it on there. It's a track two if you want to play it. Is there any way you can play Eat Me Alive? Eat You Alive. Yeah. Eat You Alive. It's track two. Oh, you know, why don't we play Eat You Alive instead? Yeah. Is it Eat Me Alive or Eat You Alive? In a while, we're going to start. It's a thorny thing but I keep saying Eat You Alive so it's Eat Me Alive. Eat You Alive is the song. Eat You Alive. Eat You Alive. Eat You Alive. You know, I was going to play Eat Me Alive. Why don't we play Eat You Alive? Yeah. Sugar, sugar. I want Eat You Alive. Eat You Alive. I want to love you. I want to love you. I want Eat You Alive. Eat You Alive. Eat You Alive. Eat You Alive. Eat You Alive. Eat You Alive. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's Many of Odd Nature with Very sexy. Eat You Alive. I think I'm gonna have sex now after that song. Okay, the show's over. We're gonna That's intention, darling. By the way, Josie, I don't think you've visited the restroom at Skid Row Studios. I've got a key. Which, by the way, this is a cool-ass studio. I agree with you. I like it. Major props. Major props. Yes, Jeremy, major props to you. Major props. This is cool. Bullshit, guys. This is like, I feel like I'm, you know, this is good. We do like Skid Row Studios. We love Skid Row Studios. This is cool. We found a home. And trust me, we would look long and hard. It was very well-traveled, but I feel very lucky to be here. So, as I was doing my extensive research on you, Charlie, and Josie will tell you, when I have a cute female guest on, I do so much research. He'll know everything. I looked you up five minutes ago, Micah, but I looked at a lot of pictures. That's cute. If he knew you were coming, he'd know everything about you, too. I would have pulled up tons of pictures and done research. Spent hours. But in my research, there's a lot of stuff online about Charlie. And Charlie, what's the hat trick thing? Because you were known as hat trick at some point. Well, I do a lot of things. I wear a couple hats. And you wear hats out sometimes. I do. Yes, I used to, you know, I'd always have a top hat. It's a stage gimmick. It's part of my stage show. Hats are involved in magic. And most importantly, you know, I do a few things. Are you still hat tricking? I wear a few different hats. No, still Charlie hat trick. Okay. That's hanging. It was funny. Like, I forget how it came to me. I remember somebody was having a talk. It was a talk between two guys. And some guy said something about a hat trick. And a friend of mine, Michael, was, I forget how he says last name. I remember when I did my first Carnival Noir, he pointed out how many hats. He's like, you wore many hats. And for some reason, when I had this discussion between these two guys, I suddenly flashed back to Michael saying that. And the next thing you know, I'm like, well, I guess that's my name. Charlie hat trick. There you go. That's how that. Many hats, many hats. But if you look up Charlie hat trick online, there's two things that they describe you as constantly. One, it's a burner. Yes. You like to go to Burning Man. I do. I like it. But you missed this year. I did. I have to. Yeah, I'm grounded. Are you having withdrawals? No. It's actually been a good week. I mean, this week is, at least for the entire, I mean, this week is, at least for the entire, intention that, okay, so basically I grounded myself. I can't go until I've completed certain things. Right. Because then I can really celebrate. That's what I did this weekend. But the thing that's great is if I didn't do that, I wouldn't have gotten Micah's email. I wouldn't have heard about, or you wouldn't have approached me about this. Right. And I also wouldn't have heard about that. Well, I would have approached you, but I wouldn't have had a response. But also the other thing is this battle of the bands. I would have never caught that. Right. Unfortunately, my band, we're lucky right now. There's a few different rounds going on, but there's two rounds. We compete on Monday on the 9th at Slide Bar. We're competing against a couple other bands. Right. This is for the opportunity to open for Rob Zombie. Yes. Yeah. Battle of the bands for Rob Zombie. If we win this, we go to finals. And if we go to finals and we win, then we fucking open up for Rob Zombie. Yeah. Yes. And by the way, I would never encourage anybody to drive to Fullerton in my life, except for this event. This is something I would recommend everybody do. And I gotta tell you, I was so excited about this. I mean, I teach a couple spin classes. I work at a couple different... Spin classes. Spin like a... I thought you said spank. Same thing. Well, you know, same sort of results. A little ass kicking always helps. But the spin class... So, you know, in honor for all my classes this week, I opened up the Rob Zombie or White Zombie track. Right. Is it Forsaken or Blood, Milk, and Sky? Right. They gotta fit that shit in, you know? Yeah. Good stuff. Get the power. Yeah, get it sucked in. So, here's the thing with Burning Man. I've never been to Burning Man. But I know almost everybody I know has been once, at least. What separates people that have been to Burning Man once or twice from a burner? Well, some people like Miss Fla or like myself, like last year was her first year. She's been to burn... She's a burner before she went to Burning Man. Well, how do you become a burner before you go to Burning Man? Well, because it's like burning... Like to actually... To actually be, you know, if you've gone there... Well, no matter what, no matter who you are, when you go in there, if you're there, no matter what your intentions are when you go in, when you come out, it's gonna be... It's unavoidable to grow in certain areas and to be aware and sort of like appreciative of certain things. So, no matter what, when you go in, you're coming out. You're coming out different. Right. But sometimes people... Like for me, the reason why I connected so well with it and the reason why I started this Carnival Noir was in the... Goth community. Although burners and goths would totally disagree with it. Not all of them, but there would be an argument amongst them because burners are seen as like a lot more, you know... Hippies. You know, but they're not hippies. That's the domes. You guys go to Burning Man, you see the domes of fire, you forget hippie. Right. But that whole love community thing, that's there. But for me, the reason why I connected so well with it was just, right, first of all, the biggest rules, radical self-expression. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Goth community, radical self-expression. Right. Different colors, both very radically self-expressing themselves. Exactly. They're both very aware of their feelings, although goths generally, I think this is, like, the reason why, you know, I pulled up the whole neo-goth thing is, but goths generally think about their feelings a lot. Even though generally sometimes there's this little trip where it's all negative and stuff, but still, in comparison to a regular person, they're a lot more self-reflective than a regular, you know, you know, not regular, but I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 2009 when I did Carnival Noir because Curious Josh, our buddy there, he needed something to sort of describe Carnival Noir. Right. It's not really goth, but it's... But again, the reason why I didn't want to say goth was because I don't want to be associated to somebody who's depressed. Right. But the thing though is it's unavoidable. I don't know what you're doing on this show, but... It's unavoidable to see that I enjoy dark things. I enjoy black. I think black's sexy. I think lace is sexy. I like leather. I like all that stuff. I'm wearing my black. Anyway. So the... Back to the burner community. So to me, I enjoyed and I loved the whole where it can be a little different is the burners, they're down with getting dirty. Whereas goth's a little bit... But the funny thing is the most interesting thing is when I went there and I saw the top hats with goggles and I saw all the people walking around with dirt on them, I'm like, is this where the fucking shit came from? Like, is this where steampunk was invented? No, that's another thing. Steampunk. Yeah, like, this is... I mean, there's no accident. I mean, you see those industrial bands with powder? It's like, this must have started somewhere at the burn. Somebody's in the desert. They wanted to wear their fucking black, have their helmet, and there's fucking playa dust all over them. I'm just thinking that maybe back in the day there was some sort of burn in England and Robert Smith and Peter Murphy and the guy from Sisters of Mercy. They're all dancing in the desert for days on end. They have another show and they're like, why don't we wear all black? I'd be depressed. And here's the thing, too, that burners can relate to goths, is a goth will wear whatever the fuck they want in an online date. No matter what, they're gonna fucking wear what they want. A burner will do the same damn thing. They don't give a fuck if it's late. I mean, like, what is it? The stuff that doesn't breathe? Spandex? No, no, no. Dead people, that's what I'm... You're asking... Totally. Latex? Thank you. They'll go out there in latex. To me, I was immediately connected to the burner community. Latex in the summer. I know, but fucking A, we're stubborn-ass motherfuckers. I don't do latex myself. Which is a big reason why a lot of us are still single these days. That was my next question. No, no, no, really. I think I was telling my buddy here, there's this concern in the goth community, and I'm gonna address this right now since I have this opportunity. You got the mic. You go, girl. There's this concern that we're... There's a lot of us who are single, and we're a little older, a little older, you know? Mid-30s, you know? Single. A lot of us. And there's this talk, I've heard it from a couple different people from my scene, say that there's something wrong with us, and that's the reason why we're like... Well, there's nothing wrong with you. Yeah, and what I'm thinking about, I'm like, that doesn't feel right. That does not feel right when I put it on. Well, especially now, you're saying you're single. Yes, I am single. Okay, so I'll keep that in my back pocket. We'll talk about that later. But what I was gonna say is... I'm just joking, but what I was gonna say... Maybe. What I was gonna say is that even though you've been single most of the time, I know that you went out with somebody for... I was engaged, yeah. You're engaged, but you've been single for... I've known you probably five years, so you were probably... It's been a while, yeah. In a relationship, two of those years. The other three years, you've been single, but you haven't been lonely. And you've been very happy. I wouldn't say I haven't been lonely. I wouldn't say. Well, I'm sure you have lonely moments, but you... I mean, you... You... You're happy... First off, you're happy with yourself. Well, yes. And you're happy, and you've... You've had romantic... Oh, yeah. Relationships. I mean, you're not... I have to... I mean, it's a... Part of life is the engagement. Yeah. It's engaging and enjoying. But fortunately, I'm... Which is a part of why a lot of people from our scene... We're very... I think there's this whole, like... You know... Gotta... Well, it's funny, because people in our scene, they come up to me, they know I'm single. They never say anything like that. They're like, yeah, we understand. So it's just one of those things. But I'm picky, too. And I think you are as well. That's what I was gonna try to get at, is in our community. So there's like, oh, this whole thing, there's something wrong with us. And the reason why I think people think there's something wrong with us is because we're not really... We're doing our own thing, right? So... And there's dark stuff related to it. So they're like, oh, so that must be because they're freaks. You're like, well, no, not really. Because when I think about it, although I do like things, I think I've got my shit together. I'm a very good person, I think. I'm proud of myself. And going into that, to go back to the Musicians Institute, where you were studying guitar, how many women were studying guitar when you were studying guitar? There was a couple other girls there. Right, but it was... Yeah, I don't know. You were in the minority. Yeah, I don't know why... Yeah, for some reason... Because a lot of women don't... I mean, it's a rarity. Not a rarity, I guess. I mean, it's unusual for women to play guitar. Yeah, no, I needed that one. And you're a terrific guitarist. As a guitar player, as a matter of fact, almost every show I'm like, well, how come you didn't play more guitar? And you're like, well, that's not really what I'm doing. Yeah, no, the funny thing is, I went to school. Before I went to MI, I was so sure that I was going to have a black metal band. I was like, you know, I was really into black metal. I was a metalhead for years. And you're still young, so... But I was so into it. And then for some... I went through this weird period while I was in school where, like, you know, music wasn't touching me like how it did. And I think it was because I was thinking about it on a different level. And it kind of... I went through this depression while I was in school to think there was something wrong with me because I'm like, why is it I don't feel... I mean, I'm here. I've gone all my... I've gone so far out of my way to go to school for music. This is my passion, you know. But why is it I can't feel anymore? So I just said, fuck it. I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing, focus on the road in front of me. I graduated. You know, I started work the day after because I did not want to go back home. I was like, I need to stay in Hollywood. So I started working at Guitar Center the next day. But, I mean, when you were at Musicians Institute, were they like, you're good, you're good for a girl. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no. I'm sure you outdid a lot, if not most of the boys. Yeah, no, it was good. It was fun. We had, you know, they were very cool over there. All the instructors and very supportive. Not necessarily the instructors. But they never gave a, like, because you're a girl thing. I never got that from them, which is cool. Oh, that's good. Yeah, fortunately. Like, you know, I think it's like in the rock world, it's a little bit more, you know, less, less, there's less separation, I guess, between the sexes. I don't know, because I don't know about that. Because speaking of Rob Zombie, White Zombie, girls tend to be the bass player a lot. You know, you don't see a lot of women guitar players. One of the major reasons why I had to come back to Los Angeles was because when I was, where I grew up, all the guys wanted to put me on fucking bass. And I boycotted playing bass for a long time. And that was, that was when Smashing Pumpkins, White Zombie, like everybody had a female bass player. No, just stop it. I wanted to play guitar. Like, it was bullshit. You even had a female bass player, right? Yeah. Nothing wrong with that, but for me, I needed to, you know. But I know a lot of chicks that could shred on guitar. I'm sure, I'm sure. I mean. I'm sure, but it just, it doesn't reach the mainstream. Now I'll gladly play bass. I enjoy it, but there was a while where I just got so angry because I wanted to play the guitar and people wouldn't let me. Right. It bothered me. But then I moved back to LA and I'm like, oh, my peoples. Where were you when they wanted to stick you to play bass? It was Oceanside, Carlsbad area. Oh, San Diego. North County, San Diego. That explains everything. I thought you were going to say somewhere like out in the boondocks. Well, it's kind of in the house car. It kind of is. It's very like, over there, like, you know, I love my family and, you know, I love Nadez and I wish I could be closer to them. And they're in Carlsbad or Oceanside? There's a lot of great people, I'll be granted, but there's not a lot of people who share the same passion that I do. So that's what I appreciate about Los Angeles is everybody's, you know, we're in. I can relate because I grew up in San Diego and then I couldn't wait to get up to LA and now I've been, you know, it's a home. Which part of San Diego? I lived in Pacific Beach. Okay, cool. Yeah, so. That's somewhat hip. Me and the beach. It was the hippest. Yeah. If you were a surfer dude, if you're not, yeah. Not dressed in a black suit. Well, although that's where I discovered the goth community was in San Diego. Not on the beach, no. In San Diego, I was actually, there was a club therapy which they still have. Oh, I remember that. Yeah. I never went. I followed some pale, latex clad woman into a bar and I was like, oh, and I heard, I never heard music like that before and I was like, I was like a metal head and I'm listening to all this industrial. It's like, it's metal, but I can dance to it and there's the girls and they're hot and they look like, and I'm like, wow, I'm home. Nice. And then, yeah, so. That delicious taste. But yeah, but I couldn't wait. Yeah, I was, it's San Diego. And Oceanside's even different because it's. It's just, yeah, I mean, it's all right. It's just, but it's just, you know, it's Oceanside. It's like, it's all right. I said you're a bit with fake things. I, Josie has been drinking Perrier and I don't know if she liked it, but. But yeah, speaking of metal, so what happened, so I go to school, you know, I'm feeling numb. I graduate, I start working at Guitar Center. Okay. The thing that was cool when I worked there is I worked in the warehouse and they would just let you blast whatever you wanted. So I got to just think, I got to just listen to music again. And then all of a sudden I realized I was listening to Les, what, is there something? Is there somebody? No, no. That's okay. Squirrel. But yeah, I realized my music. You thought that homeless guy from outside came back in. he was following his, what was his name? I forget, Breezy. He said it about 20 times. Hi, my name is Mo. I'm going to give you my email. I'm going to get in here today. Josie, give me a kiss. And then he was like, Mark, Doc Mark, give me a kiss. Anyway. I wasn't sure if you guys knew him and I was being so rude. he's our buddy. No, but what bands did you listen to? What did you listen to growing up? Well, it was a lot of metal. I always had this obsession with Ozzy, a big Ozzy fan, White Zombie, Cradle of Filth was like the fucking shit for me for a long time. But my first obsession was Beethoven, actually. He shreds. Yeah. He's a fucking shit. It was Beethoven and, you know, I went through different, you know, I like it all. I like it all. I mean, I went, I was big on Michael Jackson. Right. You know, who wasn't? It was, music was good. but, uh, music, music is good. No, no, don't stop till you're good and that was good. But, but yeah, but, so yeah, my music preference had just changed and so that's what happened. I thought it was kind of funny because I went to school for guitar, but now the music that I really listen to now has got a lot of rhythm, electronic. What stuff do you listen to now? Uh, now, like Glitch Mob, IMX, uh, Kate Bush, Trust. I like them a lot. Okay. A lot, you know, it's a lot of, I like, I like it. It's good because, yeah, I'm trying to, well, basically, you know, Ms. Ms. Christian Vox. Uh, she's, uh, the, uh, the lady, the center. We love Christian Vox. Yes. Uh, I asked Christian Vox to be on the show. She said, you don't know what a bad idea that is. And I said, uh, I guess I adore her, but she's like, I was on a podcast once and I didn't know what to say. Uh, well, I'll speak for her and say she's, she's a great DJ. Oh, she is. Yeah. I, I, I owe her a lot. Uh, she kind of woke up like when I went through that whole numb thing, you know, I went to her club. I remember I rode my bicycle from Hollywood to, uh, Wilshire, Vermont. That's where she was having ruin. And I, I, it was for my friend David Cherubim's birthday. And so I was like, okay, I can't drink because I have to ride my bike all the way over there. It's about a 45 minute bike ride. Right. I get over there. I'm sober. I just decided to quit smoking cigarettes and I'm up on the balcony and I'm hearing the fucking speakers inside and there's this sexy vibe out on the patio and the music just keeps, keeps fucking going. And it's like good after good after good. So I'm like, you know what? She does it like that. I could feel like, I'm like, I felt something inside of me without any influence except for just that pure environment and music. And I was like, I gotta come back. And I went back and next thing you know, like I, before that, I went through this period where I didn't dance for years. Like, I don't, I don't recall that because you're always dancing every time I see you. You met me after, after the medicine that I got. But when I was a kid, like, I mean, I used to, I used to dance and shit, but I had at some point where for years, I just, I didn't dance. Like I was like, I don't dance. I was, I kind of got hard for a little bit. Right. Because I usually run into you at Christian Vox's clubs. But she's, it's thanks to her. She opened up this whole fucking, she, she helped pull me back out of whatever, whatever got caged. Like I went to that club and it just hatched that, like it just took away whatever, whatever held me back. So if anybody out there says you can't, they're telling themselves you can't dance, you have no idea. Whatever's kicking your ass and holding you down, like, it is, put it aside. Oh, I've seen people who cannot dance. Well, you see, you see me. You can trick yourself into thinking, I mean, I remember that. As long as you're having fun, it doesn't really matter. Yeah, have fun. But the funny thing is, is just thinking that you can't dance and attempting to dance with that thought, like that creep, that gets in your way because, you know, when I was a kid, I used to, I mean, I did like talent, what is it, talent shows? Like I did Michael Jackson impersonations and shit. Oh yeah, you know, I, I, and then I went through this blockage that was actually even longer than that, a longer window. But there was this one time I was like, I want to really dance to salsa. I remember I was like, my friends tried to show me, I just looked so bad. And I was like, as if I never danced before in my life. How old were you at the time? But in my head, like when that happened, that was like, I mean, what, I was in my, you know, like maybe 23. Okay. Yeah, and that's, I mean, but, I mean, like I said, when I was a kid, I was doing Michael Jackson. I want to do the forbidden dance. It was weird, like I had cock blocked myself with this weird old, like chain. I don't know, but it's just weird. Just get out of your own way and you'll be surprised with the, you know, what can come out. Oh, Joseph's been surprised with my dance moves on this show. Shocking. Sometimes they haven't. No, in junior high, I did comedy for the first time in seventh grade for the talent show. Everybody else was dancing, they were doing air bands and I killed. I wish I remembered that material because it was gold. But you were on, speaking of comedy, and Michael, we're going to get to you because you got, you're a, you're a magical person. We're ignoring Flan and Michael. And Josie, it's just like me and Charlie and everybody's like, I'm just letting you guys go. We're just listening. This is, I knew this, this is why I knew you'd be a great guest. We, and you were on the Andy Dick show. Oh yeah, Andy Dick, yeah. And I introduced you. Yeah. Oh yeah, you came out and now you're our host. I wish we could get the footage for that. I got to ask my buddy, Nicola. He helped hook that up. Right. And then, yeah, I talked to Nicola about maybe booking myself. I don't know if they still have the show. He's cool. No, no, it's not. Yeah, it was called, I forgot, Film on TV. They had, it was a network that had the Andy Dick live show. And Andy Dick was cool as fuck. Andy Dick was very nice. He was very cool. Glenn Hedrick came out and he joined in on that. Kent, Kent and Vixen were on the show. Yeah, they came out too. But it was funny because you had me host because that's the band. So they're like, okay, everybody, here is Many of Odd Nature. So then, cut to me, hi everybody, Many of Odd Nature. Well, there's more to it than that. I had a whole intro. Hey, prepare for the experience. And then he had brought Michael Vile who's the magician and he didn't have time to do it. But then he sold the show later on. And Andy Dick interviewed you and you had quite a potty mouth. Oh, I do. It's terrible. I was just visiting my mom over the weekend and there was time, she was just reminding me how bad my cursing is. And she was like, how many times did you just cuss right now? And I did not, like, I'm thinking, I'm like, when did I cuss? Like, it's so part of my, how many fucking times did I cuss? But it's so weird because I just like to, you know, I don't know. I guess it's, I'm just very expressive, I guess. To me, it's like sound, you know, like, I don't know. As long as you don't say motherfucker when you're intending to say mother, that would be a problem. But Andy Dick was asking because you kept trying, like, oh, I got a whole band and he's like, I don't care. Tell me about you. And then, and then you're like, well, I fucking, fucking, fucking, fucking fuck. Let me ask you, you're doing a show with Marilyn Manson. Oh yeah, fucking, fucking, fucking fuck. So how's Marilyn like? Well, I've never met him. Fucking, fucking, fucking, fuck, fuck, fuck. Well, I've met him. I party with him. Fucking, fucking, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. He actually bought a piece of, he also, he has a piece, I don't know if he, I can't remember if he bought a piece, but he has a piece of Manson's art. Right, right. I have part of his set from a video I was in. Oh, cool. Oh, more of that. There's Josie, name dropping again. That's another influence, Marilyn Manson, big time. Right. Alice Cooper, my first show. I actually saw that video. Oh, the come away? And I couldn't see, I didn't see you at all. I told you you wouldn't be able to see me. You say you're in this video, I never, I couldn't see you at all. I could point it out. Well, because it's a whole carnival scene and I was a showgirl on it, so there's like a ton of clowns and people on stilts and all kinds of shit going on. Where's Josie? Yeah. Yeah. Yes, but, so. That's how it is. Sometimes. Sometimes. Back in the days of being an extra. Exactly. Now you've graduated to co-host. Yay. Yay. Look at me now. Yay. Look at me now. So how does many of odd nature. People didn't think I'd go anywhere. And many of odd nature is in a collective group of people. Mm-hmm. There's, I can't even think of names now. Gigi. Yeah. The older guy. Oh, Fred Sonder. He's a, yeah, yeah, yeah, he's a percussionist. How many people are in the group? Well, right now it's four actual members. We have, and then we have other performers. Like Fred Sonder, he comes, and he's gonna, he might jump in. If we're able to play the three songs at the Magic Castle show, we're gonna pull in Fred to this, for the two songs that we had. I write, for each of the Magic Castle shows, I write a song for them. Mm-hmm. The first one's Wolf vs. Moon, where a Freddy boy plays the harmonica. Right. And then the last one was, it's called Candlelight Macabre. It was written about Mary Rogette. It's, and, excuse me, a Poe novel, The Mystery of Mary Rogette. The Mystery of Mary Rogette. Anyways, he does some percussion work on that. So if we, we'll bring him along for that one. And I didn't mean to call him an older guy, but he's older than the rest of us. No, he's better. You know, the funny thing is, he was in my dream last night. Oh, really? It was a very interesting dream. Yeah, I think we're supposed to be doing some, some stuff. Some stuff? What kind of stuff? We were supposed to, I don't know, I think it was, something was about to happen. Was Viagra involved, or what? No, that man, I doubt he, no, I'm sure he's well, and I'm sure. but he's, I mean, he's great, and the whole band is great. He's an ass kicker. Yeah, and Seth Newfer, he's also, he's cool. He's a, he's a little, he's got his own, He's a little. Yeah, I was gonna, he's an awesome man. No, he's a composer. You know, he does scores for movies, and also, Miss Gigi, she's our little, she's not here right now, but she's our, I was gonna say, I thought that was flunk. That's what I was thinking. A little badass bassist, who stepped up, and she rips it up on stage. She's great. I met him, and Matt Kuhn, he's an excellent drummer. Kuhn, I remember the first, yeah. First time I met him, he, I just watched him playing drums. He was playing for my friend David, and they're, for his band Illuminati, and they're, you know, they're practicing in their apartment, and I just saw how smooth Matt's arms were, when he would make the hits. Right. He's just so smooth. He's an excellent drummer. So you basically took, and of all these people that you thought, that you admired, different styles, different types of people, and just put them together. Yeah, well, I haven't, yeah, to me, yeah. If I like you, come play. Right. Yeah. And that's, and I like a lot of people. Right. So, so, I mean, how did, how did Many of Odd Nature go from being straight, a straight rock band when I first saw them? Well, it wasn't really straight rock. It was straighter than what it is now. Well, it's a lot more like, there's a lot more electronic in it. The Knitting Factory was the first show that I saw, which was years ago. Which one was that? Years ago. It was a Knitting Factory show. Was it, but which, no, I played there twice, three times. Which, which one was it? We don't have time to get into it. Is that when you hosted for the Sunset Music Festival? No, no, that was last year when I really hosted. Yeah, there's a lot more. No, I saw her band, and it was more of a straightforward band. I guess there were some different touches there. No, no, because I still play, I still play to some of the songs. But they didn't have a host say, here's the experience, and here's a magician popping out. That started happening in 2000, that started happening after 2009. Right. Because that's when the burn had like, well, it got a hold of me. Right. That's when I started bringing the burn out on stage. Right. But in 2008, I opened it right after I finished school at MI, and it was a three-piece band, very good guitar driven at the time. Right. And then, you know, we had, we performed, actually at the, I think the last show was at the CIA, at the beginning of 2009, with the other members, and that was our last show, and I closed the project for a year. Okay, because that's when you did my show. Was that your show? It was. Because, and you also played bass in another band. Yeah, that was the, yeah, yeah, that was the, that was our last show, with that lineup. Right. Yeah, there was a, that was it, yeah. And then from that, I closed the band. I closed Benny of Odd Nature, and opened it up to a new beginning. Well, I just, I needed, I had to do some, I had to do some, you know, I had to do some, like, you know, there was some stuff, so I just had to handle some business, and that's when I got involved. There was like a punk band that you were bass, playing bass for? I think the Narcotics, or Narcotics, I think that's what they're called, Pauly. Yeah, actually, that was, I was going to mention that earlier, I had boycotted playing bass for years, and then Pauly, when I was working at Guitar Center, he comes, he's like, you know, play bass for my band. I was like, dude, I don't play bass, like, I know, you know, I was like, oh, fuck bass, you know, and then I heard his fucking, he's like, just check out the tracks, and I heard him, it was so fucking badass, I'm like, all right, all right, I'll do it. Yes, no, I know, and Joseph, and Charlie, you realize that you're, apparently you're staying until the end of the show. Oh, yeah. We haven't gotten to Micah, Micah, so when did you first start doing magic? I was eight years old, and I got my first magic book from my grandfather as a birthday present, and 18 years ago, I thought, man, I'd like to get paid, so I've been doing it for money for about 18 years. That's good, good. Yeah, man. And are you actually getting paid? Oh, you're at the Magic Castle, so you're making a living, right? Well, you know, Visa doesn't quite agree, but I do what I can, I do what I can. So you're making, he makes money like we all make money. we know what I'm saying. We're all hustling. Yeah, exactly, we're all hustling. And private events he does. Certainly. I know a friend of mine has called Micah up, and she had, Charlie's my agent. Kids parties? Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, I'm a gun for hire. Because we have Wacko on, and Wacko does kid shows, and he does adult shows, and I think Micah does too. Yeah. So the kid shows really sort of play the bills, but the adult shows are the fun ones to do. Definitely, you're right, the kid shows can be the bread and butter, but the adult shows, that's where the prestige is, that's where the money is. Right. So what's your specialty? I like close up a lot. I've played the parlor in the castle, if you've ever visited, you might know what this theater is, yeah. When many of Odd Nature play the castle, we get the entire floor, it's called the inner circle. It's this part with a bar and a theater that they open up for us, and it's where the library's located. that's in the middle, right? Or the third floor down? Exactly, yeah. Okay, it's the basement? Yeah, some people consider it the basement. The basement, that's right, and they give us the whole floor, which is kind of nice. Yeah, that's a big space there in the middle. I've never been to the Magic Castle. You haven't? Dude, you gotta go. Many of Odd Nature's play the castle, man. You have to be there. I have to go a few times a year. Please, that'd be great if you could do that. I'd do anything to do that, that'd be great. Yeah, man. But when you walk in, I mean, it's gotta be crazy. but you know, he gives this great tour, too, of the castle, it's fucking epic. Anytime, I'm like, Micah, please, can you do the tour? Micah, you wouldn't have any magic that you could do now. Yeah. Josie can assist you. Yay! See how excited she is? Yay. All right, Josie. I am. Should I go over there? Do you want to, do you want to? No, no, no, where you are is fine. Okay. Actually, let me turn the camera over to Josie. Not towards me. Well, no, because he's gonna do it, okay, we're gonna do it on him. He's gonna do it on him. He has, he's the one for us. Okay, I don't know if I can, there you go. Oh, that's exciting. It's like a selfie. It's like a what? It's like an Instagram photo. Selfie, yeah. Oh. Like all your pictures on Instagram, Mark, you know what selfie is. Actually, yeah, so you're on the camera, so. Okay, hey, actually, I prefer the camera to be on you. I want you to do this. Okay, all right. Yeah. Well, here. Who doesn't? Yes, Skid Row Studio viewers, you have your wish, you can see me. All right. Cool, man. Are you ready to do a magic trick? All right. Josie, you want to be the assistant or you want me to do it? Well, no, Josie, I want you to help. Okay. But you are gonna be the assistant, but sir, you are gonna be the magician. Okay, I'm the magician. I'd love to do that. Okay, yeah, I'd love to be a magician. All right, man, it's pretty simple. Oh, and Josie, can you just confirm that there are no particular order? Are we good? Uh, looks. Okay, okay, the answer would be yes, there are no particular order. Tell you what, I'm gonna, in particular order. Yes, no. Yes, no. Okay, they are in no particular order. Mixed messages. I feel like we're on a date. Um, yes, no. Uh, tell you what, just to make you happy, I'm gonna keep shuffling until you say stop. Stop. Perfect. Are you satisfied now? Stop, please. Okay, yes. Wow, okay, that's good. You are on a date with Josie. Yeah, we are on a date, yeah. All right, brother, are you ready, man? I'm ready, I'm ready. Okay, cool. Now, no matter, oh, and I want you to be as relaxed as possible, okay? Cool, yeah, all right. So, um, are you able to, are you able to put your feet together and flat on the floor? Can you do that? Yeah, this is kind of a, an airplane thing, you know, when they ask you not to cross your legs, uh, because otherwise, uh, you're gonna have to wiggle around. Okay. Because, uh, I need you to be absolutely relaxed for this, yeah. I'm absolutely relaxed. He looks really relaxed. I'm gonna come a little, cool. I'm absolutely relaxed. Now, uh, are your hands comfortable where they are? They're comfortable now. Cool, all right, cool, because the reason why I ask is if you keep, if you start wiggling around, it's gonna dissipate your focus. Okay. I need you to absolutely relax. Cool. No matter what happens, man, no matter what happens. Charlie knows what's gonna happen. I don't, I'm excited. No matter what happens, I want you so relaxed, brother, that you don't say a word unless I ask you a question. Can you do this? Say yes. I don't think I would ever be that relaxed, but okay, I'll do it. I'll play along. Okay, all right. That was a lot of exposition. Just say yes for now. Yes for now. Okay, perfect. Perfect. Okay, cool. No matter what happens, this is just for you. You're doing great, brother. we're not making it easy for him. Yeah, all right. Now, um, so remember, no matter what happens, you are still so relaxed. You don't say anything unless I, cool, you're doing great, brother. Okay. Now, Josie, all the cards, uh, they're all either black or they are, oh, no, you're already wiggling around, buddy, so just be still. Relax, Mark. Yeah, just relax, man, just relax. Josie, they're all either black or they are red. That's it, okay? They're either black or they are red. the curves in the blood. Yes, I, I did not, I wasn't expecting to bring gang violence into the trick, but, uh, no, this is, uh, we're learning a lot about you. This is fun. Okay, so, um, uh, so Josie, check this out. Once again, you said that they were mixed up, yes? Yes. Okay, cool. They're mixed up. All right, sir, kind of like me. No, you're complex. That's, that's what, you're complicated. So they're all either black or they are red. Josie, does this make sense to you? Yes or no? It's pretty simple. Uh, sir, uh, yes or no? Does this make sense to you? No, this makes sense. Cool. All right, here we go. Now, Josie, you're gonna be my, uh, you're gonna confirm. Okay. That I'm not showing him the next card, okay? I'm just looking at it, okay? Sir, I gotta- I'm trying to peek, but I'm not seeing it. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, is this either black or is it red? What would you guess? I forgot what we were doing. It's, the card, the card is black. The card is black. He's right. Oh, that's black. Check it out. It's black. All right, let's try that again. I had a 50-50 chance. Yeah, you're right, you're right. You know, we would expect that kind of luck, but still, very well done, man. Okay, is this black or is it red? It's red. She, Josie says red. Sir, what do you say? You're wrong, it's black. He's right. Oh! All right, let's try it again. You guys are in cahoots. We're not in cahoots. All right, is this black or is it red? Josie, what would you guess? It's black. Black? What do you say? Pink. If you had to choose black or red, what would you choose? No, it's black. It's black. Okay, all right, both of you are right. Very good. All right, but he's gotten every single one right. Sir, yes or no, have you done this before? I'm just guessing black on everything. Okay, well, you're very good. Okay, black or red, what would you guess? Josie, what would you guess? I'll go with him. It's black. Black? Okay, Josie says black. What do you say? No, he's going to say red. This one's going to be red. I knew you were going to say that. He's right again. Check this out. All right, let's do one more. Black or red, sir, Josie, what would you guess? I'd guess red. Red? What do you think? You know, Josie, for once, you're right. You're both right. Very good. Now, check this out. Now, I know, Josie, you think we were in cahoots, sir. Yes or no, did we set up anything ahead of time? We set up nothing ahead of time. He's not going to tell you, or tell the audience. No, but, but, if he said something, I would tell somebody. I'm honest with my eyes. I'm just guessing. I guess black, and then I figured red would come up, and then a couple reds came up. And you got them all right. Let's just do one more. I'm never going to guess this. Black or red? Josie, what would you guess? Black. Black? Black. Okay, you're both right. So, he got all six of them right in a deck that you confirm was shuffled after a lot of weird awkwardness and philosophical debate. Now, check this out. You think that maybe we set up something ahead of time, and we didn't. We did not. But Josie brings up a good point. Like, maybe we're lying. So, Josie, I want you to. You guys are full of shit. Oh, yeah, I get that all the time on dates. So, Josie, how many cards in a deck? 52. 52. Give me a number from one to 52. Now, before you say anything, the bigger the number, the longer this will take. So, you might want to choose a smaller number, but it's still up to you. Go for it. That's, that's a good deterrent, right? 32. 32. 13. 13. Do you want to change your mind? Okay. Right. I don't trust you either. 17. 17. Okay. Do you want to change your mind from that? No. Cool. Now, Josie, once again, you did confirm that this deck is mixed up. You even told me how far to mix it, right? Yes. Do you remember that part? No. I know. I know. 30 seconds ago. I can't remember what I did last week. I know. I just remembered that I went to an event last week I talked about. Yeah, 30 seconds ago. Well, she got shocked last week, so that makes sense. All right. So, Josie, are you happy with 17? Okay. 17 is good. All right. Here we go. Watch. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17. And I'm going to give you one last chance. Do you want to change your mind? No. Okay. So, that's the card that you selected, yeah? That's the random number that you came up with, right? I hope I get this right. Pressure's on you, Mark. Okay. All right. Is this, uh, black or red, sir? What would you guess? Red. Red. Josie, what would you guess? I have to go with red. Okay. Mark's been on, on the winning streak. Let's take this a little further. Uh, you said, you said red. Is that correct? I said red. Okay, cool. Uh, that would make this either hearts or diamonds. Now, this is a new direction, so I'll ask you again. If you had to choose between hearts or diamonds, would you choose hearts or would you choose diamonds? Josie, what would you guess? Too many choices. I know, right? She's like, I was told there'd be no math. You're doing great. Hearts. Hearts. Okay. What would you say? Hearts. Okay. You're in agreement. All right. Uh, is this a number card or a letter? You know, number being self-explanatory, letter being Jack, Queen, King, or Ace. Uh, Josie, would you guess, um, number or letter? What would you guess? Letter. Letter. What do you say, sir? Number. Oh, mixing it up. Okay. So he's going, so you said letter. He's going with number. let's, since you said number, we're going to continue with that, but just keep in mind, you said letter. Josie, uh, Josie, would you guess low number or would you guess high? High. High. What do you say, man? Yeah. If you had a lower high, what would you guess? I would say high. High. Okay. Okay. So you're in agreement again. Hi. Josie. It's for the burners. I'll say hi. Perfect. Okay. So Josie, the high numbers are five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10. I know, I know you're a busy woman. Why is this such a long number between five and 10, 10. Okay. What would you guess? Seven. Seven. Okay. So let's talk about what just happened. You told me how far to mix up the cards. You chose any number you wanted to. He named a card. What was the card that you named again? He doesn't remember. Seven of hearts. Seven of hearts. Now Josie's already complained how long this trick is. Cause I guess you have a rave to go to later. So I'm going to try to speed things up. But if, if this is the seven of hearts, he's just done something pretty amazing and you helped control it. You told me how, how much to shuffle the cards. You told me what number out of the deck. Is that fair? Okay. I'm more magic than Josie. Okay. All right. So, so Josie's already, Josie's already whining about the, uh, the length of this. So I'm going to let you finish up. Are there, would you say again? Seven of hearts? Seven of hearts. Take a look. Seven of hearts. Do it. Is it, is it? All right. Let's see. Don't drop it. The whole deck dropped. You got it, man. All right, Josie. I know that was incredibly time consuming for you, but I still think, I still think he deserves a round of applause. It was good. Dude, well, have you ever done that before? You were amazing. I've never done any magic at all. You were amazing. I've never done any magic. The only magic was to get this show together today. That's the only magic. You did a great job, man. And actually, uh, and you're great. Uh, Micah. Yeah. And if I remember your last name now. Yeah, Culver. Culver. Micah Culver. Uh, how do people find you? Oh, uh, well, I'm, I'm on the Facebooks just like Charlie is. So I think we're just, we just became friends. Oh, perfect. All right. I won't, I won't, uh, friend you cause I know that it will be time consuming, but dude, I would love to be your friend. No, I sent you a friend request today. So I think we'll figure it out. So Micah Culver on Facebook. And Micah the magician.com. Yeah. M-I-C-A-H. Do you have a website? Micah the magician? Exactly. Micah the magician.com. And, uh, and the magic castle. Yes. And the benefit is what date? It is actually easy to remember. Uh, 11, 12, 13. Yes. Won't take too much time for you to memorize that Josie. I know time is of the essence. I think I can't do that. Good. Okay. I know you don't have time for conditioner and shampoo, so I want to save everybody time. I was nice to you Josie. These guests are busting your chops. You're bringing your buddies in to get in on me. Hi, this is Charlie's buddy, not mine. Yeah. 11, 12, 13. It's easy to remember. 11, 12, 13. And, uh, great stuff, man. Definitely come back. Dude, you were wonderful. You were fantastic. I love it. I know this was a last minute thing. Next time, bring something. You can pull out of Josie's breast because every magician has pulled something out of the breast. Okay. Remember when Wacko pulled something out of your breast? He pulled something out of somewhere. Exactly. And, uh, and, and Flan? What? Is there anything you want to promote or anything you want to do? Oh, now you want to talk to her. You're a photographer, Flan? Yeah. Oh. Most of the time. Yes. We'll have to. What's your site again? www.flaminiafinale.com. I don't think you're going to remember. Did you spell that one? www, by the way. Yeah. What? Yeah. F-L-A-M-I-N-I-A-F-A-N-A-L-E.com. Okay. She's a fantastic photographer. Well, if you're listening to the replay on our video, just slow it down really quick. I told you you'd want to, I told you you'd want to joke around. I want to see your, I want to see your photographs. Help yourself. I believe you have the internet. There. Maybe. Well, no, I, I can't do it. I'm doing the show now. I can't really sit there and gaze at pictures of YouTube. Like I will directly after the show. So, Fla, thank you for stopping by. You've been, you've been delightful. I knew you wanted to talk and joke around. Yeah. Paisana means sister, doesn't it? Sure. Paisana's brother, right? No, it means. Paisana? It means like a countryside person. Okay. Compatriota would be. So how do I say beautiful Fla? Bella Fla. Bella Fla. Bella Fla. That's pretty. Thank you. Bella Fla. I'll cook you spaghetti, Bella Fla. How about that? That sounds inviting. Yeah. Come over my house. I got some Parmesan cheese, some ricotta. We'll get it. We'll, we'll figure it out. Sure. And bring Charlie because Charlie's great. Charlie, give everybody what's coming up. Monday's the big show. Yeah. Monday at the slide bar on the ninth. Eight o'clock. In Fullerton. Eight o'clock. Please, if you want to be a part of the, the launch of Many of Odd Nature, please come and hang out with us. If you want to come dressed up as a zombie and we're going to have a little surprise. We're going to have a little surprise right at the end. And I'll explain that to you later. And we have a little reward for you. If you want to participate, it'll be worth your time. But yeah, if we win, we go to finals. And if we go to finals, we fucking open up for Rob Zombie. Yeah. I got a couple of gifts for you. I got a little t-shirt. Oh, I actually have to turn this into a, we actually ran out of the larger sizes. So I'm going to personally make this a patch for you. And you can do this. Oh, thank you. And then I got a little sticker here. So you can have that. Oh, put that on. I'll put that on. I'll put that on my car. You got anything for Josie? I, I, you know what? I will. You'll get me on. You'll get me on at some point. Anyway, I appreciate it. Cause I have my old many of odd nature t-shirt. Do you, you actually have one of these? No, not that one. I've got the other one with, and, and, and how do people get ahold of you? If they need to get ahold of you? Well, the website's many of odd nature.com. It's got a email link there. You can find me on Facebook. It's Charlie. Now it's C-H-A-R-L-Y. Last name is G-I-E-N-A-U. Pronounce you now. Yes. And, and many of odd nature at gmail.com is also another way to reach me. And you've got YouTube clips and stuff. Yeah. All the videos, pictures, happy trail. My happy trails, the show dates that we've performed. We've played a couple of shows. We've done a couple. We've, we've, we've earned our stripes. I think. Happy trail. I'm thinking interesting thoughts. Josie, go to Josie cat. Find me. Just Google me. Josie, J-O-S-I, cat, with a K, K-A-T. And you'll find my Twitter and all my, everything else. My website. Under Josie cats. Josie cat. Yeah. And, um, for all those people who are going to be at wasteland weekend, hit me up because I'll be producing my next video there. Yeah. I'm excited about that. I play the king. I'm going to be there actually. Oh, right on. Yeah. We're playing together. Got to get you in the video. Josie, can you meow for everybody? Show them how it's done. Meow. All right. Meow. And once again, go to darkmarkshow.com, darkmarkshow on Twitter, Facebook, Tumblr, goth comedian. If you're in LA tomorrow night, CIA, great show. Carly, it's fantastic. I knew you'd be a great guest. You guys are badass. And thank you. Thank you, Jeremy. Great place. Good show. Thank you. Anyway, now's the time for the spank train. Where we all run around the table and spank each other. So, everybody have a wonderfully creepy week. Yeah. What's going on right now? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.