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Man, chill that crazy. Chill. I'm a chill, shawty. For real, though. I'm a gonna chill. Thank you. That's the best advice that I can take, shawty. Just chill. I'm a chill, man. Till I get to eat like a train station and how dare you jump up in my face anyway and say a goddamn thing to me about cussing out my old lady. You the same nigga I been looking for that raped me. You the same nigga I been looking for that raped me, shawty. Chill out. Chill out, because no brain, she ain't working, bro. Chill out. Chill out, girl. Chill out, girl. You the same nigga from Glenwood. You the same nigga. You the same nigga from Glenwood. Fuck, You got a right, bitch! Hold up! Hold the fuck up, hoe! You got a right, bitch! Man, Jamal, you got to tell Jamal. Jamal, chill, bro. You got to tell him to chill, bro. Man, Jamal, chill, man. Hey, you, come house this shit. Come house this shit. Where my a-hat? Somebody get my hat so I can go. Somebody get my hat so I can go. Somebody get my hat so I can go. Can anybody see my hat? Shut it up, bro. Can that hit me? I'm pressing charge. I'm pressing charge. I'm pressing charge. I'm pressing charge. What's that about? I'm pressing charge. I'm pressing charge. I'm pressing charge. I'm pressing charge. I'm pressing charge. I'm pressing charge. Where my do-rag at? I'm pressing charge. I'm pressing charge. We'll do it live. Broadcasting from downtown Los Angeles. We'll do it live. Fuck it. It's the More Music Radio Pod. Do it live. I'll write it and we'll do it live. On skidrow.la. Fucking thing sucks. In five, four, three. Hey, what's going on, everybody? It's the More Music Radio Pod on skidrow.la. We're up. We're up here at Skid Row Studios and we're having another party. All right. Whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop. Yeah. To my left, I have Dan. To my right, I have Vince. And to Dan's left forward is Jeremy. Yo. The big man at Skid Row Studios. That's it? Does it sound like authority in here? The pod father. That's Jeremy right there. The pod father. What do they call you now? Big Chain? Big Chain from that $40 dookie I had. Yeah. You guys have $40 dookies. And tonight's a very special show because we have Sean Carnage in studio. All right, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Thanks for coming to the More Music Radio Pod, man. Thanks for having me. Yeah. I've been wanting to talk to you for a long time. You're doing a lot of stuff. A lot of people know you from doing the Monday nights at Pairspace. Sean Carnage Mondays. Yeah, since 2005, every Monday. Wow. I know. Crazy, huh? Yeah. Have you taken any breaks? Yeah, I've taken a few weeks off. Yeah, that's four years. You're going to be like a graduate. I know. Yeah, about that, right? Yeah, you're almost there, man. You're going to get your degree. Well, cool, man. I have a lot of things I want to talk to you about. So let's get the show started. We'll play a couple tracks and we'll be back with Sean Carnage on the More Music Radio Pod. All right. All right. Yo, motherfucker. You are listening to the More Music Radio Pod. From Skid Row Studio in downtown Los Angeles, California, at Skid Row dot L-A. Skid Row Studio Now my, now my, now my heart aches Feel the, feel the, feel the brakes brake Take them, take them, take them today See my, see my, see my old place Now my, now my, now my heart aches Feel the, feel the, feel the brakes brake Take them, take them, take them today See my, see my, see my old place Skull Outro Music Outro Music Outro Music Outro Music Outro Music Outro Music Outro Music Outro Music Outro Music Outro Music Outro Music Outro Music Outro Music Outro Music Outro Music Outro Music Outro Music Outro Music Outro Music Outro Music Outro Music Outro Music Outro Music Outro Music Outro Music Outro Music Outro Music Outro Music Outro Music Outro Music interesting. So you get to LA, how old are you when you finally moved to LA? Oh man, I was like 31 going on 32. Yeah. Right. So I was kind of like a late bloomer, you know, a lot of my friends had moved on. I actually, you know, I was born in this place, Erie, Pennsylvania. Okay. So, uh, that was Indiana. Yeah. Erie. I'm from Erie. So it, uh, you know, moving to Cleveland was actually moving to the big city, but then I moved to LA and, uh, um, I didn't know many people. I only knew this guy, Don Bowles. Yeah. Don Bowles, uh, from the germs, right? Yeah. And the way I had met him is, um, I moved here in October. So Don Bowles was your mentor. At first. What a mentor to get too. I mean, that's a pretty special mentor. The dude, um, he helped me so much. Like he was a driver for like the LA weekly for years, like delivering their papers. Uh, he was also a courier and, uh, he knows like every street in LA, like for real. It's not a joke. And, uh, and, uh, I used to ride around with him when I first came here and he taught me like systematically, like all the streets in these different neighborhoods, like we just go drive around like in my car and he'd tell me where to turn and where to go and what the fast routes were. And so that's, it's great to have a guide, especially in a place such a, so vast, like LA, you know, it's hard to get around in LA when, when you don't know the freeways, you don't know the, the community. So Don Bowles of all people is guiding you around LA and like, come here, kid. Yeah. Well, he was, you know, he's kind of on, he's kind of on drugs at the time too. So at the time, uh, this is, you know, the guy, exactly. That's what he would say when he would wake up. Cause he'd black, he would black out, you know, sometimes and sometimes, uh, you know, so that was interesting. Were you like a fan of the germs when you met him? Yeah, I was. And I, I was a fan of the germs. I was also a really big fan of 45 grave. And, and like I said, like music television. And from when I was a kid, I really remembered the party, the party time, yeah. Video. And also, um, from return of the living dead, which I'm a big fan of. And I love that song. I love the soundtrack. And so actually I think I probably more knew about him from that. Yeah. Cause the germs is more like Darby crash. Yeah. So I knew about Don from that band. And, uh, uh, I met him because, uh, I knew this guy, from Chicago, his name's non door, non-order, Nevaeh. I don't know if you ever heard of him. Anyway, he's a big freak and he makes music and it's, it makes like just incredible music. And, uh, and he was at the best drugs, you know, but in Ohio, my measure of like what good drugs were, was like, it's pretty, you know, modest. It was like, he had like acid and weed. Were you into drugs when you, when you, well, yeah, acid and weed, you know, that's like about it. Woo. Well, acid is pretty crazy, man. Actually acid. It is. I've only done acid a few times, but I've done shrooms. I've done, you know, said smoked weed. Well, um, I came out to see non-door, uh, out here when, when I came out to visit right before I moved here, non-door non-door. And I went up to this place was at Wilton and was he from middle earth by any chance? He looks like he is. He wears those Slayer. He has drugs. And if you take them, you, you end up in middle earth. Well, we knock on the door to this creepy place, me and my friend from Cleveland. And I brought a non-door like, uh, a non-door like, uh, a non-door like, uh, a non-door like, uh, a non-door like, uh, a non-door gin too, like gin and tonics and stuff. So I brought him a big bottle of gin, you know, we showed up and knock on the door and this, the slat like kind of pushes back. And there are these two beady masquerade eyes and they're like, who's there. And are you the Gestapo? And I'm like, no. And the dude's like, oh, well you can come in then. And he opens it up and there's Don Bowles like prancing around and like fishnet stocking. And I'm like, wow, this guy's really cool. And then it dawned on me that's Don Bowles. And, uh, you know, I was wondering where my friend was and he's like, oh, he'll be back. He'll be back. It's like, ah, I started getting nervous and Don didn't seem to be interested in the gin whatsoever. He just sort of pushed it aside permanently. And I'm like, geez, you know, I really wonder where non-door is. And just as I was saying that I heard, uh, I, I heard, um, this rustling and the place that Don was in was just covered in trash. And Don seemed more excited that he had just gotten his white power records out of, uh, storage that day, his white power 745s. And I'm like, Don, what is in that trash? What is moving on the ground? And he's like, that's non-door. And right as he said that, I realized that my friend was face down in a pile of garbage on the floor. Knock happens. Don goes to the door. And so finally get to see this scenario play out from their side. He slides the latch. He's like, who's there? Are you the Gestapo? And this voice goes, yes. And he opens the door wordlessly. And this very tall man completely dressed in black leather with a black motorcycle helmet on, cannot see his face or any of his flesh or anything. He's completely covered. He walks in and there was more than one person on the floor. And he's like, I'm not going to be on the floor. Also, this girl, she looked like Chris rises up from this pile of trash. He takes her by the arm and leads her out of the place. And then Don closes the door and latches. Oh my, that's so weird. That's like night of living dead, man. That's how I met Don Bowles. Oh man. What a fucking strange story. So when I moved back to LA, of course, first person I looked up was Don Bowles. And I took him out for dinner at Peru's restaurant, the vegetarian, Indian restaurant up there in Hollywood. And he fell asleep with his face in his soup. So I'm like, this guy, something's weird is happening here. You must have a lot of crazy Don Bowles stories, man. I've hung out with him a lot. His whole life is just a crazy story. It's crazy, right? Yeah. That's why people like to be around him. He's somebody who's like, he really embodies, he's one of the many people that embodies rock and roll in the way that he's like, always like positive and creative and making things out of, you know, pretty much life has sucked for him at very, especially at various times. It's totally sucked. You know, you've got your singer committing suicide. You got your bands breaking up. You got drug habits. You got, but you know, uh, you know, losing your job, you know, but, but look, it's running around in dresses and you know what, he's always, his name is kitten sparkles. Now he's making kitten sparkles. Yeah, no, the dude has always turned these crummy situations. He's always, he's always, he's always, he's always, he's always, he's always, he's always, he's always, he's always, he's always, he's always, he's always, he's always, he's always, he's always, he's always, he's always, he's always, he's always, he's always, he's always, he's always, he's always, he's always, he's always, he's always, he's always, he's always, he's always, he's always, something, something, something fabulous, you know? Yeah. We had him on a couple of weeks ago too, man. And that was, that was a really cool show. You know, it's like, um, and we've, we've known, we, we met Don actually, uh, when we met Karen Centerfold on her show, he was doing the visuals. Uh, he did like these crazy psychedelic, uh, three geniuses type of visuals and stuff in the background where we're playing. We actually got to see the tape. We haven't seen the tape in years. We saw the Karen Centerfold Raw Talent Hour with the Mormons on there. Such a strange tape, man. If I can figure out a way to take stuff from VHS and put it on the computer, I'll send you a copy of it, man. This is strange as shit, man. But that's when we met Don Bowles. And we're like, wow, the drummer of the Germs, cool. And I was telling the singer Patrick, I'm like, you know, Don Bowles is a little strange. Did you notice that? Like, he's really weird. And we're always attracted to just, like, weirdos like that. You know, that's why we love Karen Centerfold. We love Don Bowles. Totally. We like just anybody that's, like, interesting to us, you know, kind of scary to other people. And sometimes I'm scared, too, with, like, Don Bowles and Karen Centerfold. Sometimes you get a little scared, just like they might put me in danger somehow or just, like, you think they're going to attack you or murder you. Vince is throwing around a lot of we's, by the way. About people that we like. Yeah. Hey, man. I don't know about that. I don't know. I think, you know, I think as far as when I said. It's tough to say I'm not having a good time. The More Music Radio pod and the Mormons love Karen Centerfold and Don Bowles. Not every member of the Mormons might do it. You know. Yeah, well, they're controversial figures. Yeah, they are, man. All right. So you make it to L.A. And so what was, like, your first job in L.A.? I mean, because you have to have some kind of a day job, right? Right. So I was really, I'm in publication. You know, I had done U.S. Rocker until it went out of business. What kind of stuff would you do? And then I, well, then I worked at Ohio Lawyers Weekly, you know, and I couldn't even write there. Okay. So you're a writer for. I was a writer. Yeah, a publisher. Publisher and writer. And like, but, you know, then I got a job at this lawyer magazine and like, you know, how crummy was that? And I couldn't even write for it. I was just, you know, working in the ad department and just wishing I was a writer again. You know, it felt like such a comedown. So I moved to L.A. with the intention of continuing as a writer. So I looked in the newspaper. It's like classic story. And this is back. They already ads. There weren't as many ads in the newspaper anymore. But I looked at the classified and there were very few listings for journalists in there. But there's one that said for men's magazine. Okay. I was like, great. Wow. Maybe it's like, you know, GQ or Esquire. Yeah. It was Hustler. Oh, okay. That's a men's magazine, right? Totally. Wow. That counts. That wasn't the first one that came to my mind. I think I've read more Hustlers than I've read GQ or Esquire. You'd be way up there on my list. I guess I was thinking of the pay. But you know what? That's what I was looking for. It's about name recognition. But you know what? That's right. Well, but there's like a plan for every person, I think, in the universe. Or like you make your own plan. I don't know what it is. But something happens. It was just destiny. Larry Flint's from Ohio, too. So running into him and like getting to do my thing with. You got to meet Larry Flint? Yeah. Well, he was my boss for almost five years. Wow. Yeah. I was with him when we ran. I was like his assistant when he ran for governor. Wow. Yeah. What is it? What is it like working with Larry Flint? Well, Larry. I don't know that many people who've worked with Larry Flint. Larry's great. He's just like he is in the movie, except the detail they leave out of the movie is he never got off drugs. Even when he went born again? Never got off drugs. That's sweet. Yeah. Yeah. No, he's still. What kind of drugs? What kind of drugs? You know, it's heavy prescription drugs. Oh, yeah. He doesn't mess around with street. Yeah. Those are the hardest drugs. Actually, those prescription drugs can knock you on your ass, man. Oh, well, you know, the dude's like been in pain for like major like years. Sometimes he's had bouts of pain. You know, he's got a legitimate excuse, man. Legitimate. So. So these drugs aren't like it's not hurt. It's not like he was like looking at to go get high. He just wanted some relief. You know, but then you get hooked on him. So he's like a lot of people who are really great or have been great. But then they are maybe incapacitated or whatever. They kind of have their hangers on kind of take over. And I don't really have as many good things to say about those people. You know, he's surrounded by or at least at the time was surrounded by a bunch of yes men. Right. But he took a real interest in certain people in the staff, including me, younger people. And he really. He listened to us up to a point. And it was fun to work with him because he would actually ask our opinion. He would always do the opposite. He would always do the lame thing. But but he actually. It's nice to ask. Yeah. It's nice to ask, you know, whatever. You get your input and you get to chat with them. Yeah. And he was always really gracious to me. So he's good. Good. Good guy. But working for his his company, I'd never worked for a family owned company until that point. Family owned companies are totally fucked up. You know, it's like. I was totally hoping. The line between between business and personal life gets really blurred, you know. And even though he has like a corporation, you know, out on Wilshire Boulevard, it's actually a giant family owned business because he's got like a million cousins from like Kentucky and Southern Ohio and stuff. Wow. And nieces and nephews and they all work there and they're all really nice people. But, you know, their loyalty is like to the. It's like. It's just a weird environment. It's that they got a family thing. They know. Yeah. Take work home with them. Yeah. Well, if your last name's not Flint, then you're not. It's a really it can be a really crazy place to work because it doesn't make any sense. But I wouldn't trade those years for anything. It was totally. Did you feel that you couldn't get anywhere because you weren't a Flint? Oh, I don't know. I just felt like after a while that like it was just an extremely unsatisfying place to work because. Yeah. The idealism that Larry made me feel, you know, was not really carried out by the rest of the people that. Right. Because he really is what people say he is, what his image is. He's actually like a really cool troublemaker. No. You know, and he loves to screw up the status quo in a like a really kind of Robin Hood like kind of. Yeah. Good way. Yeah. Yeah. And he's like a culture jammer. He's like culture jammer. Totally. And his family are not like that. They just. Yeah. Whatever. But, you know, now I'm older and, you know, I know how those things go. And I had never worked for a family company. So I stayed with him for quite a few years. But then I ultimately resigned. Uh huh. And and that's when I started doing the shows. Cool. So, you know what? I want to get into that. So why don't we play another couple songs? Cool. And then we'll get into you being in L.A. You're starting your shows. And yeah, we actually have some songs coming. We have Wiz Wars and Wet Mango. And they were actually at Paris Space on Monday, right? You know, yesterday was my mom's birthday. We went out to lunch today because, you know, it was her birthday. I just want to wish my mom a happy birthday. Happy birthday, Dan's mom. Happy birthday. She might be listening. Thanks for squishing this guy out. I really appreciate it. He still has some placenta on him. Well, cool. Hey, you know what? Let's let's play these songs. And when we get back, we'll talk to. We'll talk. More with Sean Carnage on the more music radio pod. All right. Yeah, I need an officer at my house at 4315. Tell me what's going on. My son is disrespectful. He stole my car on Sunday. He was the officer. Call me and tell you my car was stolen. He's not coming home from school. He's just not getting in. He's going to do volunteer work at the. I'm worried sick today. I need an officer out here before I'll be committing to 187. I'm about to kill him. You bitch. Now, how was your son? He's 15. And I ain't. And if I don't get it, I'm a killer. This motherfucker with this hammer. And I swear to God, if you don't send a motherfucker officer out here, I'm a bitch. We bought better. Every motherfucker could be an OJ Simpson in his motherfucking house. I need an officer and I need him out here quick. I'm going to commit to beat his motherfucking ass. And I hope you recorded every fucking thing that I'm saying. The time is motherfucker. Now, what's your name? Monica Wilson. Okay. Do you. Have a hammer with you? I sure do. I got a motherfucker. I should crack you in your motherfucking head right now. You little bitch. Okay. Can you put the hammer down? I can't put no hammer down. Get the motherfucker officer out here. Listen. Because if y'all want to pass him off, I'll be whipping the motherfucker. Get out. Put me in jail. What's so big? Put me in jail. Because I'm about to beat this motherfucker brains out. I brought him in this motherfucker wild. Take his motherfucking ass out. Okay. Listen. If you're going to get an officer here, I'm going to kill this motherfucker. Listen. You better do it. Move it. Listen. Hey there. The More Music Radio Pod. Broadcasting internationally from downtown Los Angeles. On skid row. L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L. Listen. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. These wristbands that we use every week. We do a different color. That's like our fashion contribution. Oh, cool. Yeah. Friendship bracelets. Friendship bracelets. Exactly. Sweet. Cool. So speaking of Sean Carnage Monday night over at Pairspace. So you were, when we left off, you were talking about you started doing shows. You were working for Hustler and then you quit that and then you were doing shows. And you said you started at the Il Corral? Yeah. I knew, I had known this guy, Bob Bellarue. I met him randomly at some kind of boring noise show. And early in my time here at LA. And it was like a rainy night in LA. And you know how those are. You know, you're kind of like huddling in the cold underneath like an awning or something. Yeah. That's what we do. That's what the Mormons do when it's cold. They cuddle together. Hey, that's not a lie. That happened in Texas. Yes, there you go. Well, anyway, I was at some show and the show was kind of boring. Everybody was staying outside. Like I'll kind of push. We were kind of pushed together, like trying to stay dry, you know, like smoking or whatever. Smoking. Smoking cigarettes. I was smoking. It's a good way to meet people. Yeah. Yeah. And I met Bob. That's how I met Bob. And he was this just like amazingly nice, knowledgeable and like total anarchy kind of guy, you know. But he said like, oh, I've got this new place. It's called Il Corral. You got to come and visit. I'm like, okay, I will. And I went there. And I was like, wow, it's amazing. And I said, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I started going to a few shows. He's like, you should do shows here. He's like, you're going to do shows here. I'm like, oh, okay. And I was still at Hustler, you know. And so we not a lot of Monday people know this. I always say we've been doing the show since August 1st, 2005. We actually started July 26th, 2005. No one knows this. I'm telling you this for like first time. Okay. Exclusive on the more music. Yeah. All right. The very first one was a test run. We did like a Hustler. We did a kill girl kill. Kill two. That was a porno that we were doing at Hustler. Kill girl kill to release party at ill corral. And so the very first week we had bands. It was a private party. And when I saw people in there, it really fulfilled this dream. I always had my imagination, which was, as I was telling you, I came from a scene that was dominated by bars. I always thought, what if you could take the fun people you meet in a bar, the kind of outrageous people you meet there. Right. And put them into the more kind of. Force you to be interactive. Diy kind of area. Wouldn't that just be magical? And it was. Yeah, it was amazing. And so I did the shows and the people came back in the next week. And so there we were on our very first week. We had a crowd and we had a crowd for about two weeks. Right. And then nobody. Yeah, that's because people who hang up bars don't want to go to a place where you can't get alcohol. Right. And. And they would either be not prepared or not wanting to be lugging around like 40s or whatever because they felt that they were beyond that. Right. And they, those people are still friends to this day, dear friends, a lot of them, but they don't, they haven't come to a show since then because they hang out in, you know, bar kind of places, lounges, more sophisticated. Right. So that was pretty nerve wracking that third week, that fourth week. Right. All of a sudden out of nowhere. And I still don't understand it. I mean, I think it's a little bit of a surprise, but I think it's a little bit of a surprise that all these kids showed up like little kids. And instead of being like put off by it, you know, like feeling like it was doing an experiment that didn't work. I was like, I had quit hustler to do this. And I was like, I really got to keep going on. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, I didn't really intend on doing these kind of kiddie shows, but like, okay, that's those are the people that are that are coming here. So we're going to find a way to like reach some kind of middle ground. Right. Well, these. These people were not kiddies. They might have been young, but they were some of the most fantastically like talented people I've ever met in my whole life. And those are the people that are in health and a pagoda. And, you know, those guys were really young then. But even back then, they're they're basically no different than they are now. They were very, very refined sensibilities. And also, you know, like just bouncing off the walls energetic. So it was bands and people like that. They kind of inspired you and was kind of like a synergetic. Yeah. It really did not turn out like I thought. I thought the Don Bowles and company kind of like friends would like come and hang out there, you know, these sort of sort of like hot, you know, 30 something like men and women, you know, and but instead, like the average age was like, you know, like 19 or something or 18. And and that put me into a different role. It actually, you know, I had to be. I had to be more responsible. I had to be more responsible. I had to be more responsible. Or at least, you know, try to be more responsible and think about what we were doing. And and I realized there was a reason that I was in this DIY place. And it's that music. I love to drink and I love to listen to music. Right. But drinking and music, although that was a part of the shows, actually, they have nothing to do with each other. Right. And and it was time to focus on the music because these people were so. I'm about ready to fight right now. I know. I know. Hey, cheers. Thanks. Thanks for the beer. Yeah. But yeah, no, seriously, though, it was it took it in a different direction. And I stopped thinking like, OK, what's like good lounge entertainment, you know, like this kind of sophisticated entertainment and just went with what I remembered from being in Ohio, which was, you know, this kind of like really awesome DIY experience. You know, it's really incredible experience where like everybody is like making everything. It's basically like a community of artists. But they're not like precious. Like that. They're like, you know, their culture, their culture jammers, too. Right. And, you know, back back then, too. And even still to this day, there's there there's not many places where people under the age of 21 or under the age of 18 can go out and experience that and get into it. You know, quite true. And also at that time when I was doing it, I should talk about the smell a little bit. The smell was having fire code problems at that time. So I don't know if you remember back then. But the smell would actually be. Closed for periods of time when they were, you know, they were working on the place and I went on for months and months and months. And so around the time I was doing this, started doing the Monday shows that Il Corral was doing shows all the days of the week. The smell was closed part of that time. Obviously, they subsequently reopened. But that was kind of touch and go. And so in Echo Curio wasn't quite around yet. So there weren't. It was just one of those weird times in L.A. history where there's nothing happening but Il Corral and Pairspace. And we met the Pairspace people. You know, when we moved to Pairspace, a great thing just got even better. That's really when we kind of discovered our own identity and it kept it changed into this completely new thing, which was, you know, all the the the new talent from L.A. The best of the cutting edge. The best of the cutting edge. Right. What were some of the hurdles? Right. Hurdles and roadblocks of keeping something like this going? Money. Right. My brain, because I was working a full time job. And so were a lot of the other people attending and playing at the shows. And, you know, stuff like that's hard. But no, I think the biggest obstacle was trying to build good bills, you know, because still to this day, it's something I really struggle with. I. I'm you know, I come from a blue collar kind of background, and I understand that when you've got something like this going, you need to keep it going. But that's how a lot of people slide in a kind of like mediocrity. Right. But I also understand that, like the artist approach doesn't quite work because if I concentrate on any one show too much, then it I don't have time for the other shows. Right. And the whole thing would just fall apart. So it's always been this tension between those two things. So. So the thing that's really helped from from like that sixth week or so of doing these shows was just collaborating with other people. And a lot of my best shows over the years have actually if you really look at them, they probably were done with in collaboration with someone else. And that's I think been the secret of the booking is that probably for every three shows that I do on my own, I collaborate with one person. Right. So. So it's just people from the. Different bands that are playing. It's been it's just been just people referring each other, people coming to shows, some people getting, you know, like kind of snotty with me, like Kyle Mabson, who's been doing sound at my show. You know, he told me everything sucked and it was totally wrong and I was doing the wrong thing. Uh huh. I was like, well, you know, you think you can do better? Yeah. It's like I know I can do better. And then he's come back like every week since to do the sound and do the DJing. Uh huh. Since like 2005. And so he's given you ideas. So now you're the Larry Flint and he's like, no, man, you got to do it this way, man. You're like, well, I know I make the lame decisions. Try not to. You listen to him to appease him. No, no. Tell me what you want to say. It's fine. Well, Kyle has gotten me into a lot of fucking trouble over the years. He plays music that drives people crazy. Like, and it's like super hits of like the. Late 90s. You know, you know, it's a taboo music. It's a taboo, you know, I want to say, you know. Yeah. Well, it's not even the cool stuff. It's like, you know, he plays like closing time. He plays like, you know, he plays, you know, he plays all this stuff. I've gotten in fights with venue owners all verging on physical fights. It's the only thing I've ever gotten in fights with anybody about is Kyle's DJing. I've had venue owners come in. And go up to the board and just pull all the sliders down. Kyle is DJing. This DJ is playing nothing but Milli Vanilli. Yeah, dude. Blame it on the rain and all the hits. Yeah. Well, you know, he plays stuff like Terrence Trent Darby, you know, and like, you know, all this other old stuff and like, you know, people. It's a test. It's kind of like Karen Centerfold. It's kind of like pushing you to the limit. It's like. If. You're. Music snob, you know, you're kind of thinking, is this cool? Is this not cool? What? How will people perceive me? How do I perceive myself? And then people who like that kind of stuff, they don't think twice about it. So then it automatically creates this division in the room. And, you know, for me, who's always trying to be like a bringer together. Yeah. Or he that was always really disturbing to me. Oh, Kyle, we kind of pit one half of the crowd against each other. Right. But the dance floor really is like the big equalizer, you know, he his sort of just like silliness of like the songs he picks and just really kind of homing in on what a crowd would be like. Okay, I have to dance to this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is he he just always he took this thing, created these almost like sides and then brought them together again. And that's the most powerful thing when you've been divided and then brought together again, then you're. But isn't that what? A DJ does. That's what a DJ. Right. Maybe he was just trying to like set up the like soul train, like, you know, the dance line. Yeah. Like this, but the room and then we'll start. But with like boys to men and stuff. It's so embarrassing because I think, oh, my God, people are going to come in here and think that Sean Carnage is stuck in the freaking past. I don't listen to Pearl Jam. I don't listen to this stuff. But he's he's he's stuck, stuck with you all this time. Yeah. Yeah. The you know, Kyle's just just, you know, is deserves a lot of credit. He's really, from my perspective, changed music. I mean, when I go to clubs now, even indie clubs, the music that they're playing between the bands sounds a lot more like what Kyle Mabson would play fun dance music than ten years ago when people would just play obscure records exclusively. It seemed like, right, you know, it's a it work or current like alternative hits. And like, I love that, man. I think that I've been involved with like the underground scene now for, you know, like over 20 years. And I think that the thing that makes the underground scene so cool is like a total commitment, you know, almost sometimes like, you know, right. You're like psychotic commitment to something. Yeah. And but, you know, it doesn't have to be, you know, can be an aesthetic and like and in so many times people have gotten the aesthetic confused with the ethos, with like the the inspiration and like the actual doing of the thing. Right. And I think what's cool about DIY music now and like things like playing dance music at a show is that it it it takes that all that that's excellent about the community instead of like holding it back from the mainstream, it like mixes it back in because that's right. Yeah. I mean, I think that's the best way to like to like invite people into like what you're doing. Like if you like think something is like truly awesome, like you like want to bring people into it, right? You want to bring. So you have to like accept what they do is to like as like part of like everything, you know, it's almost like a job, but it's not a job. It's like a duty, but it's you're you're not like obligated to do it. You just do it right. And the best thing is sometimes the most out there and fucked up ideas are the ones that are the most appealing. Like, look at all the great rock and roll bands like Nirvana or something like that. Like watching somebody melt down on. TV, you know, or melt or or or just be do something that's just so wrong, you know, is so liberating and that actually that cuts across every basically every cultural and societal situation in a lot of ways. People love that going for it attitude. Yeah. And and it doesn't matter who you are or where you're from. I've seen that that's a constant amongst humans, you know? Yeah. They people like that. They love it. And that's why I'm a big fan of. Go for things for the same for that same reason, because. Howard Stern's that kind of guy, you know what I mean? He sees what everybody else is doing. And he's like, these guys are fucking pussies. I'm just going to fucking go for it and just be honest and real. And, you know, and a lot of people try to copy him and, you know, and, you know, he's actually doing what he just he just signed on to do what that America's America's got. Yeah, that's amazing. That's a that's big move. Big move means I don't know. I can't decide whether I think that's a good thing or not, you know, because I'm a big Howard Stern fan, but I'm like, oh, that's kind of. Cheap, you know, but at the same time, I'm just like, I'm definitely going to watch, you know, because I want to see. It's very good TV. I've been on the Howard Stern show before. Really? Yeah. Oh, shit. And when Jeremy was talking about his mobile setup, I've been on one of those mobile setups for the Howard Stern show. Really? And we have a caller on the line. Oh, shit. All right. Well, caller, you are on the air. Baba Booey, go ahead. Baba Booey, you are on the air with Sean Carnage. Hi. Hi. Hi. What's going on, caller? Guess. Guess who? Hello. Hey, Don. Guess who this is? Who? OK, we got a guess. Oh, it's Patrick from the Mormons. Hey, what's going on, Patrick? I'm stuck outside. Oh, you're stuck outside? Are you serious? Are you really serious? Yeah, I'm outside. Oh, OK. Do you want to come upstairs? I'll be right there. I think you need someone to let him in. Like outside the building? That's cool that you called in. Oh, OK. This time you're there. OK, well, we're going to let you up and you're going to join us. OK. So, I'm going to go to the door. I'm going to go to the door. I'm going to go to the door. I'm going to go down this way. Oh, OK. This time you're there. OK, well, we're going to let you up and you're going to join us over here, man. Yeah, we got Sean and Makai over here. We're drinking some beers and... Yeah, we're talking about some stuff. Sounds good. Come upstairs, man. Very interesting. Sonia's going to come get you, so we got to hang up on you right now. OK, cool. Hang up on me. Some would be funny. I'm going to be gone for a second. All right, cool. All right, cool. Now, Dan's got to go take a leak. Everybody's leaving right now, but I'm going to stay. I'm going to stick around, man. Yeah, man. It's live, right? Yeah, it's live, man. We'll do it live. So, yeah, man. So, Pairspace, this has been actually after the Il Corral. Why did you stop doing shows at the Il Corral? What happened there? Well, it was actually because of Kyle. Really? So, this picks up right where I was. OK. Bob Bellarue moved out and the folks that remained had been gone. They've been great friends, but life's really hard and sometimes you don't have enough money to pay rent and they were paying their share of the rent. They were living there and paying their share of the rent from some funds that should not have been used for that. And it had created a feel bad situation, basically. OK. Oh, thanks, dude. There you go. And it was one of those kind of tension situations that just sort of escalated. Was there a fight? Was there a fist fight? Kyle was doing a show and the venue people kind of spazzed out and grabbed the money from him and stuff. And he said he wouldn't come back again. OK. And I stood up for my dude. Hey, man, I can appreciate that kind of loyalty, man. I mean, you really got to, even though you know your friend might be an asshole and you're like, I know, but you just don't see. He's cool. You got to understand. I can appreciate that kind of loyalty, man, because you've got to stick with your team. You know, you got to back each other up. Vince, I've never told anyone these stories. All right. This is the truth. I stuck up for Kyle and then I totally fucked myself because I had like four months of shows booked and nowhere to go. Oh, shit. So those guys at House of Vermont, Women House or not Women House, House of Vermont, Dustin and Halloween Swim Team. They let me come there for one week. Oh, cool. And we just continued. And I actually had to go out of town that week. So I flew out and I did my thing back in the Midwest and I came here again. And then I had like two days to find a show, a place to do a show. And we had Brett from the from Anna Van had told me that he had gone to this place, Paris Space, that was looked like it could be a great place to do shows. And so we walked in there on like a Friday night or whatever and and and brought the guy six pack sky. Darren, Darren King and is one of the proprietors of Paris Space and like, yeah, so you got this art gallery here and you got a PA system. He's like, yeah, we've been doing shows since like early two thousand and five, which so it makes a contemporaneous with ill corral, but I had never heard of the place. And so I was like, Oh, I'm going to go to Paris Space. I'm going to go to Paris Space. And he's like, we do slow core shows. What's slow core? That was there was this label called the pear label and they put out slow core. It's a kind of music. Really? Yeah. So it's just really slow and sludgy music or something. Yeah, it's good. It's that's what it sounds like. Yeah. It's kind of like that band low. You never heard them before. Kind of echoey and lay out like really good music and drug music. Good drug music. Exactly. And I was like, Okay, these dudes are cool. I know nothing about their scene I've never even heard of it before but I like what I'm hearing I like Jesus and Mary Chain I like stuff like that this is cool and I said can I bring my shows here and they were like are you doing any of Monday nights can I bring my shows here and I was like sure sounds good to me nobody takes Monday nights is there a significance I think so much about I don't know for people who are listening who haven't been there it's kind of like there is a certain aura about it even geographically and the fact that it's on Monday nights it's like you're in on a secret yeah it's cool I mean not like a super secret secret because people know about it but you have to know stuff I feel really bad for bands because I deploy showbiz a lot you know like I don't know I mean I never would lie about a show or anything that I'm doing but you know I always try to make things sound fabulous you know I mean I think life has to be lived like fabulously so I always took a note from Karen Centerfold exactly she's my lady so and from Larry Flint I learned from those people that you have and Don Bowles you have to be outrageous you have to be fabulous and so you know a lot of bands when they get to play Paris Space and in particular you know a lot of bands on particular Mondays they're just so so so happy like it's the biggest show in the world and maybe it is for them and that it makes me feel really good but it really is the off night of the week in like the most desolate part of town you know yeah it's really a credit to all those people who come out the audience that makes it like so amazing right because what I'm offering is not really that fabulous you know I think of it as fabulous but the audience is really what brings it what you're actually like it's an actual audience it's an actual like living right right thing and that's what's remarkable well you're offering the place for the event you know you're getting everybody together and like every scene needs a clubhouse you know so it's like it's you and it's the bands and it's the audience that comes and they kind of form there's a built in crowd basically right and that's and then you know who the fuck is that? who the fuck is that? who the fuck are you? hey who are you? I don't know no hey we got Patrick Jones from the Mormons here at Skid Row Studios joining in and you know the way you were describing it too is just like you know you wouldn't even know who's playing you know like this place over in Ohio that you were talking about yeah speak in tongues speak in tongues like the way you talk about that is the way I feel about Mr. Teaseball like that was our place like when we when we first started Mr. Teaseball it was just it had its own like dome its own like atmosphere it felt right it felt like you know it's like you know Tuesday nights were like the night you know to to go to Mr. Tease you wouldn't know who's playing but you know there's gonna be people there there's always gonna be something happening Arlo the sound guy is gonna be there hanging out get to talk to Arlo you know he'll get us some free drinks and you always felt welcome you know and that was all the way up until the the old man died and just like you know every for every good thing it always comes to an end you know and right now Mr. Teaseball ever since the old man died in 2002 now so what I think Vince is trying to ask is when is this gonna end yeah no man I'm just kidding don't answer that no I mean yeah you don't wanna jinx it because I mean it's like well you're kinda living in the moment right especially for something like a DIY kinda thing because there's it's kind of precarious you know yeah well you know you know these are things that are not talked about right right no we don't talk about this but a lot of people feel that places that they see music are sometimes like institutions that are gonna last forever the truth of the matter is they're not right you know and things come and go but you know it's just like if they do they can turn into something really crappy like a whiskey yeah you got pay to play yeah I know pay to play pair space I've had people offer me money to play one of my shows really yeah how much money like I would say around like two thousand dollars and who who offered you to play there I really don't want to say I actually don't know a lot of these people that wanted to do that but they I usually just say well you can actually rent the venue I'm like I've got that night booked but you can rent the venue and then I turn them on well what band was it like what was trying to get in there this always happens at South by Southwest time oh okay sometimes you have management companies that are building a new band up and they'll fly them to the Southwest and they'll have them in Austin but then they'll tour them around this whole area and sometimes you know it's actually it's more effective for them to actually pay for the show because then they can just invite the whole crowd for free but I'm always suspicious of that man so I'm always like well here's the venue contact number call them and set it up right like you know I don't say anything about it and they need to know and they need to know and they need to know they never do and you know they probably they never do what's up with that they probably could get their band in there if they were just like hey do you mind they're having this band do you mind if they come and play but they're like throwing like hey we'll give you two thousand dollars if we can have this thing yeah why are you coming on so strong it's like weird yeah they're weirding you out already you're just like who the fuck are you why are you trying to invade our our little enclave yeah the the biggest shows have been LA bands you know it's such a local right oriented kind of place and then I would say Dan Deacon has been our other really big draw over the years but bands like Abe Vigoda Macy and all the Macy spin-off bands Health you know those bands always draw the most people so I mean you can't you can't you know you can't buy that you know that's not the reason people are showing up to see to see those bands it's because you know they're just like totally wrong right right! and crazy well cool we have Sean Carnage in studio we're gonna take another break and we're gonna talk some more and we're gonna I wanna talk about the actual films like the videos that you've done you have a you've done you did a movie called 40 bands in 80 minutes all about the Pairspace scene you know and the stuff that you were doing there was all shot at Pairspace right? No it was all Il Corral Oh Il Corral? Oh okay see that's something I didn't know you know I tried to I tried to like watch it on YouTube yeah but I can't find a link where it has the whole movie and I'm like, shit, I gotta buy this thing, man. They have it on Netflix. They have it on Netflix, but it's not on Instant Watch. No, you gotta get the DVD. Oh, man, you gotta get it on Instant Watch, man. Get it on Instant Watch and I will re-up on my Netflix because I just let it run out and I changed my card number and stuff and they're like, please come back to Netflix, you know, and I'm like, fuck you, I got cable now, foo. I know what I'm getting you for Christmas now. Cool, thanks, man. Alright, you know what? We're gonna play another couple songs and we'll be back with Sean Carnage on the More Music Radio Pod. Alright. Don't take this offensively. The More Music Radio Pod. Oh! Did you tell me not to do that? Skinroad. LA.! Take a walk outside Take a walk outside Take a walk outside To something Take a walk outside Take a walk outside Just look at all that sunshine Let's go for a ride Let's go for a ride Just look at all that sunshine When you're caught up in the heat When you're caught up in the heat When you're caught up in the heat When you're caught up in the heat Hearts fly Shooting up in the sky Just looking for all that fun Shining How the ocean can fly Shooting up in the sky Just looking for all that fun Shining When you're caught up in the heat When you're caught up in the heat When you're caught up in the heat When you're caught up in the heat Shining Shining Shining Shining Shining Shining Shining Shining Shining Shining Shining Shining Shining Shining Shining Shining I hope you see some thoughts for me Get in from now when you can't see Oh, you used to lie in bed with me Now I don't lie in bed with anybody Oh, you used to lie in bed with me Well, I hope you see some thoughts for me When you're drunk and stumbling down the street Seeing how many new friends you can meet Oh, you used to lie in bed with me You never said goodbye You never said goodbye You never said goodbye You never said goodbye You never said goodbye You never said goodbye Well, I hope you see some thoughts for me Well, I hope you see some thoughts for me Well, I hope you see some thoughts for me Well, I hope you see some thoughts for me Well, I hope you see some thoughts for me Well, I hope you see some thoughts for me Well, I hope you see some dark for me When your bald light's gone and it's me At the Echo Park Art Gallery Well, they've always been suspicious of me Well, I hope you see some dark for me Cause you can't even talk to me Or maybe it's just hard for me to believe That I'm bad for you and you're bad for me guitar solo guitar solo Hi, this is Brian Whitman doing Top Like Us and you're listening to the More Music Radio Pod at skidrow.la These bitches do a good job. laughs Yeah, welcome back to the More Music Radio Pod. All right. I feel it. We have Sean Carnage in studio. Can you feel it? We just heard Manhattan Murder Mystery with Sancho and that's off their new cassette EP, Women House. I have a good feeling if you went to the satellite on Monday night, you might catch them. Yeah, that's right. I mean, we just played their, um, the second night of their Monday night residency at the satellite and that was really fucking fun, man. We had, uh... Which is right down the street from the, uh, Paris space. So you can go to both shows. Right. I took off two Mondays this month cause, you know... But you're not taking off this next coming Monday, right? Because, uh... No, I've got... Actually, you know, uh, we're doing the KXLU, uh, holiday party and everyone's... Yeah, Batwings Catwings is one of my favorites. It's gonna be, uh... Be there, right? Yeah. See, I know stuff. No... I'm smart. I can do stuff. Not like everybody says. I'm smart. Not like everybody says. If you guys want to give away some tickets to that show, that's cool. Yeah, if people... There should be a contest. Who has the best diarrhea story? Yeah. I have diarrhea today. Actually, even... You know, you've heard my diarrhea story. And you can dial 1-800-825-7000. 939-9562. Yeah, so come and win tickets. Give us your best diarrhea story when you had diarrhea. You shit yourself. You shit on somebody. You shit on somebody's wall or something accidentally. You know what I mean? Is that just a good explanation of how it feels when you have diarrhea? I don't know. It doesn't feel good. I kind of like it. I don't know. I have nothing to do. It feels like you're carrying a water balloon in your ass. It's like it's like... Finally bursts. Brown water comes out. Sometimes. Sometimes it's yellow. You always bring up the best stuff to talk about. Thanks. Do we have any... I think we're getting breaking news. Breaking news? Yeah, you know what? I'm trying to play this. We have a new inside current... What is it? I don't know. It's something that some bullshit fuck-ass does. I don't know. He's bored a lot. This guy fuck-ass in the Grease Patrol. He's actually... It's more of his patrol, but he's kind of overseeing the whole thing. I think it's Mr. Doggy who does the interviews, and I forget who else does it. I don't know. Well, I'm going to see if I can try to pull that up. We have Sean Carnage in studio, and we were actually talking about... In the break, we were talking about the Karen Centerfold documentary that is coming out. There's a trailer, and for a while now, there's been word about a Karen Centerfold documentary. Now, for people that are listening internationally, we have international listeners now. Sometimes we get into it. Everybody knows what we're talking about, but in L.A., there's a lady named Karen Centerfold. If you're a fan of the More Music Radio pod, you've heard her on the show. She's kind of like the punk rock Angeline. Yeah, like that. That's a good description. Yeah, that's perfect, actually. She's kind of wild. She's on her own level. She's delusional in a way, but she's not totally out of it. In a way, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's... She's like the star of her own movie all the time, no matter what she's doing or who she's talking to. Yeah. Yeah, that's a porno. She's a fixture in the L.A. music scene forever. She pops up at every kind of show. Good shows. Yeah, really good shows, too, and she knows good bands, and she's good friends with our band and Manhattan Murder Mystery, a bunch of bands, and we love Karen Centerfold, and you love Karen Centerfold, too. We do, for the same reason we're talking about. We like... I hated her at first, though. Really? Yeah. She's scary. So tell me the story about when you met her. Well, okay. Well, I think typical of a lot of Karen Centerfold, people have interacted with her. The first time I met her, she came and like pushed me out of the way. Yeah, I wouldn't say I'm her biggest fan. Yeah, she was really rude. I was talking to Nora Keys, you know, who had been with Centimeters and stuff, and she like pushed me. I was like, hey, Nora, blah, blah, blah, you know, and like pushed me out of the way. I was like, how freaking rude, you know? And then when she walked away, Nora was like, no, that's just Karen. She's really cool, you know, and like sticking up for her, but that just made me more mad in a way, you know? I was like, you mean you're excusing that ridiculous behavior? It's kind of an honor when she pushes me out of the way. I don't know. I always like it. Well, she grabbed me at the parlor club, which I know you've been to that. Were you over there back in the day for club screwball? No, it was that. No, it's club ding-a-ling, right? It was at Don Bowles. Yeah, it was Don Bowles. It was with Prickle and Nora Keys and Howie Pyro and other people. Anyway, whatever. They did this club, and Karen pulled me on stage, and she, before I knew what was going on, I'd had a few drinks. She put chains around my wrists and handcuffs. Cuffed me to the chains. I've seen that when she did her thing with the two-headed horse, like her kind of, that show that she did with Madden and Murder, where she was like, it was up Glendale Boulevard, but she did that too, and she was all naked. It was pretty good. Well, she started whipping me with a whip. Yeah, I am not into like that at all. She's into dominating people. She has that dominatrix personality. And she... She demands people to do stuff. Well, okay. I was talking about Nora. Nora is really good friends with her, and Nora gave me a great piece of advice about Karen Centerfold. And I think this is for, even if you don't know Karen Centerfold or interact with her, if you have a Karen Centerfold kind of person in your life, they're very dom sub. They're like binary. They switch back and forth. And they, like with Karen, she always tries to dominate unless you try and dominate her. It's like kind of like... She's very testing kind of person. Right. Mm-hmm. And if you're like, no, Karen, and like... She's going to keep pushing it. Yeah. And you order her to do something, she'll be like, oh. Yeah. You know, but she's really turned on. She's like a cat. She'll walk away, and then she's back. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Rubbing against you. Mm-hmm. And when Nora told me that, and I tried that with Karen, I was like, Karen, don't you push me out of the way again? You know, I felt like such a little bitch. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I would never say, but she was like, oh, oh, oh. And she walked away, and then she came back, and we've been friends ever since. Yeah. Until lately. But she's mad at me. Yeah. She's mad at you because of some of the stuff that, like, she saw the trailer, and she didn't like some of the stuff that was being said about her, right? So... Well, the whole point of the trailer was to show, like, the kind of misconceptions that people have about her, but that level of it has been lost to her. And I'm sympathetic to that because, you know, when you're making art, like, sometimes it's not always, like, fully successful. Right. And you want to try and make it, at least I do want to try and make it as successful as possible. So, you know, I want Karen to love her own movie. Right. I know that she's going to love it. Right. So, you know, we've talked about cutting another trailer, but... Just to appease her so she could be more on board? She will not let us borrow any copies of her show. Really? I'll flip you a copy of the Mormon's appearance on the Raw Talent Hour. Okay. Well, you know, I really need everyone's help because she, and very rightly so, like, guards the masters for these... Oh, I know, man. She's come over to our house. Oh, poor Makai. With every single one. Yeah. At 10 a.m. on Sunday morning. It's really hard to get that video. It was just a couple... First time, too, right? Yeah. A couple months ago, a few months ago. Yeah. Yeah. She came over at 10 a.m. On Sunday. On Sunday morning. She's like, here, I have all my cassettes. Put them on your computer. I'm like, Karen, we don't even have a VHS player. You know? It's like... It's really hard. You know? I'm like, if I could borrow these, I was... You know, I would never lose her... I would never misplace her tapes, but she's very cautious with her stuff. So, it's been really hard to interface with her. You know? It's been hard to get her in her own movie. She should make her own movie. Yeah. I mean, I guess she makes it every time she goes out. So, like, what made... What made you want to make this Karen Centerfold movie? And, like, what was the genesis of it? Oh, that one's really simple. That's... I just... You know, she's an L.A. icon. Right. And no one's ever done anything with her, so... Right. It actually wasn't my idea. I filmed a segment with her in 40 Bands, 80 Minutes, and she was so freaking impossible. And she was so mad at me for, like, three years after we made that. Mm-hmm. Like, because she didn't think I did the camera angle right, which I know I did it totally right. And she looks great in that. We had lighting issues on a radio show. That was pretty fun. I didn't even know that could happen. There's always issues. Honestly, yeah. In fact, to this day, that appearance that we did on her show, she likes to ask political questions, and we were just, like, not having it. We just wanted to do our own weird shit. And so, like, she was asking questions, and we wouldn't participate in it. And to this day, she's like, you know, yeah, you didn't answer the questions right, and, you know, it could have been a better show. You guys aren't hip. Ha ha ha. You guys need me to tell you what's hip. But it was okay, you know. I guess it made it, you know, whatever. I fucking love it. She remembers everything, too. I love the shit that she says, too. That's so Karen. There's Karenisms. You do that pretty good. Yeah. Because I just, I love, I'm a fan of Karen Centerfold. Well, Vince, you know, it was good, but. Vince, you are not thinking straight. You're not thinking straight. Listen to me. Yeah. More, more. I fucking love Karen. And that's why I want to see that movie done. So, what? What is it? What's it going to take for it to get finished? Well, the movie's by Xenia Shin, and most of it's in the can. It needs to be fully edited, you know. I think Karen, you know, she's not an easy person to edit. Yeah. She's uneditable. Well, because she says so many, like, cool things, you know what I mean? Totally. Just like, oh, man, we can't cut that out. Well, I think that's why, you know, here, you've been asking me things all night. I want to ask you something. What was it like being a band on? Raw talent. It was weird. What were you expecting? And, I mean, did you, had you watched the show? Did you know about what it was? I completely blacked out, so I don't know. Well, Dan maybe could have watched it, but he wasn't in the band yet. We've known him for a while. Oh, wait, that's what happened. I wasn't there. I felt like we were going on a public access show, which I've always wanted to do. Yeah. And that's what I was expecting. That's what I got. And Don Bowles happened to be there, too. It was pretty cool. We knew, okay, we already, Karen had called me, you know, to be on the show, and she's just like, oh. And, you know, I work with CBS, and we want to get you a deal, and we want to, you know, do all this stuff, and we want you to come in. And we're like, oh, sure. And in my head, I'm like thinking, oh, fuck, this is going to be so fucking fun, because this fucking lady is crazy. And, like, these are the people that we like, you know? Just like, cool, so let's go hang out. And, like, Don Bowles. And, like I was saying, like, I'm like, oh, these people are weird. Like, this is so cool. And it made us, it brought our weirdness out, too, you know? And... Mm-hmm. I don't know. Like, that's exactly what I expected. And knowing, I mean, she's just like, not only just the stuff that she says, but just visually, you see her. She looks like she's 20 feet tall. Her shoulders are probably, like, five feet apart or something. She's like, she's a very, like, Amazonian woman, you know? Yes, she is. And she kind of looks like she might be a man. But... She's not. She's not a man. No, she's not a man. I don't think, I'm pretty sure she's not a man. I'm positive. I've seen her naked. Yeah. You saw her naked at the first place. Yeah, I was going to say. I have actually seen her naked twice. Yeah. And there are no balls, no cock. She's all lady. She's all lady. Yeah. There has to be something going on down there, though, you know? I mean, I don't want to take a look, you know what I mean? It's just kind of like looking at, like, a dismembered body or something. It's just like, you want to look, but you don't. You know what I mean? And you know if you look, you're going to have nightmares. It wasn't that bad. No. I was going to say. Well, I mean, I've seen her whip out her tits before and stuff. I think, yeah. I don't know. I think her tits are worse than her... Her stache looks pretty sleek. Yeah, she's in good shape. Yeah, no, she's in good shape. And I don't know. Like, a lady like Karen, like, I think at first, like, people's initial reaction is to, like, want to, like, pick on her and make fun of her because she's so eccentric and weird and... And she pushes people out of the way. Yeah. You know? She meets you and you get a big shove. But, like, these years, knowing Karen, like, I've realized that she's, like... Kind of... She's kind of, like, vulnerable. There's a vulnerability to her, you know? Yeah, she's a big shield up. A huge one, you know? Yeah. And, see, that's the thing, too. She has a huge wall up, you know? But, like, once you get to see, like, the real person is when you really get to... And it takes a while for some people, you know? Like, sometimes people are just like, oh, fuck, Karen's centerfold. Oh, my... She's going to be there. I'm not going, you know? And I'm like, shit, that's most of the reason why I go to a lot of shows. Karen's going to be there. I know she's going to whip out her tits, say something crazy. She likes to be in every band. Like, she'll play the tambourine. She'll make up songs. Like, when she was on the More Music Radio pod once, she made up a song for Patrick to sing. And we sang it. It was great. Yeah, we played on Monday with Manhattan Murder Mystery, and she was there. She was sick, though. Yeah, right before. She had glitter about that. She had glitter. It was pretty great. Right before the show started, she's like, does anybody have a harmonica? Let me have it. Well, it doesn't matter. Just any key. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. She was feeling sick, and I'm like, Karen, what's the matter? I thought she was sad, you know? And I'm like, hey, Karen, what's the matter? She's all, oh, no, I'm sick, man. And I'm like, really? She's all, yeah, I had a bad tamale, and somebody tried to poison me, so. And I'm like, really? I'm like, who tried to poison you? And she looked at me. She's all, I'll tell you later. And then she just, like, took off. That's one thing. She doesn't say goodbye, especially when we talk to her on the phone. She doesn't, like, say, okay, goodbye, whatever. She'll say what she has to say, and then click. She's gone, you know? She's gone. Very business, you know? She'll be like, Sean, I'm in some store, and I'm, like, borrowing the phone. Yeah. But I just wanted to tell you, man, that, you know, and then she'll, like, tell me something. Okay, all right, talk to you later. Yeah. Well, you get to talk to you later. She just goes click, and she's gone. I'm like, okay, Karen, okay. Yeah, she's fucking hung up on me again. She's like Batman on the phone. Yeah. She's like, I'm Karen. I'm the commissioner. You just walk in. Don't doubt. I mean, geez. So that's, I don't know, man. I really want to see it. You got to, like, show me, like, a rough edit or something. Everyone wants the mysteries of Karen to be revealed. Oh, man. So, yeah, you know? I mean, I'd love to facilitate that. It can't not come out because, I mean, people have to see this. I mean, this is actually, like, documenting something. Vince wanted to do it before, too, but it didn't happen. He's like, I want to do a documentary about Karen's genderful, but, you know, you got to. We procrastinate. Well, you know, the young, this is an all-female crew and production staff that's making this video. So do you think. Which I think is remarkable. This was, like, I was starting to tell you, it's not my idea. Like, I filmed her for 40 bands, 80 minutes, and she was impossible. And I'm producing this because it's something like you. I want to see it. Yeah. It's not really because I want to make it. Right. Yeah. That sounds like horrible. That sounds like horrible. So I'm like, you're like. Let's just skip to the end. But, you know, these young ladies who have filmed it, I'm sure they're going to do a great job with it. And I don't know. You were saying that she's bothering everybody that's been working on it. Yeah. You know, it's a challenge. Because there's stuff that she doesn't want presented. It's like she kind of got. She says, like, I can tell that she's like her feelings are hurt of the way people feel. Like, I can tell that she's like her feelings are hurt of the way people are looking at her. But I try to tell her, like, that's not a bad thing. Like, it's actually why people like you. The way the things that you say and how you act is like, you know, she's like really hung up because I guess somebody like hung a picture up. Like, she was like supposedly like stalking Sky Saxon or something like stalking, meaning she's probably going to the shows and wanting to talk to him and like trying to call him and trying to be part. Just like she does with every band she likes, you know. And I guess they put a picture of her up at like. I got a show or something and say, don't allegedly, allegedly. Right. And I think the guy from Beauty is Pain said that. Right. Right. Right. And she's just like, oh, that Manny. I can't believe he fucking he's mean. And he just is like, you know, whatever. He's just mean to me. And he said that about me. I'm stalking Sky Saxon. I can't have people have that. You know, I'm like, Karen, that's just you just got to accept it. You're so famous that people are jealous of you and they're going to say things to get under your skin. But that's just comes with. The territory. You should know that, you know, you kind of got to try to like, like kind of humor her thing, you know, like, no, Karen, you are a big star. That's why you're having all these problems. It comes with it. My friend from high school who lives in Iowa now, he came out to visit me in L.A. And so I was working at Hustlers. This is a few years ago. And he's back recently, actually. But last time he was here was a few years ago. I was working at Hustler and I had to go to work. During the week. And I was always wondering, like, you know, do you want me to leave you the key? What are you going to do? Do you want to borrow my car? You know, what's going on? Where are you going to go when I'm at work? You know, what are you going to do? He's like, oh, don't worry about it, man. I've got someone to hang out with. Like, well, OK. It's kind of making me kind of jealous. I'm supposed to be your best friend. Like, don't want to talk about this. Yeah. Well, I found out later that my friend from high school. I had introduced him to Karen because he had long hair, you know, long. She's brilliant. A man with long hair. He had like long orange hair. You know, she was picking a haircut, by the way. She was driving this like I was like a Mitsubishi or something. This weird like Japanese car. This huge woman in this tiny Japanese car. She was picking him up every day at my apartment and just like taking him for like joy rides around town. Were they like messing around like? Well, I mentioned to him. Oh, my God. Well, you know, kind of semi-naive me. I never really thought about that aspect of it. Right. OK. You know. So recently I said, oh, my friend, he's coming back. She's like, oh, I know about him. He's like, he's OK in bed. I'm like, what? What? Did you ever talk to your friend about it? No, I haven't thought about it. Let's call him right now. I'm going to sleep in Iowa right now. Yes. Yes. I was like, oh, well, you know. So, you know, I felt really good about that because I was like, you know, if there's one person, I mean, like if there's one person I'll lay, I would like trust like one of my oldest friends to, you know, be Karen Sutterville because essentially she's a very gentle person. Yeah. Yeah. She's really good. I don't. I mean, I cannot imagine. I mean. Yeah. Oh, my God. Because, I mean, like I said, we were talking about it earlier. It's just like you don't know what you're going to see when you pull down those drawers. I know. You've seen them before. Oh, man. I've seen about four of them. That's why you're buying the centerfold. I do kind of wonder who does a better Karen Sutterville. Sean or Vince? I don't know. They're both really good, though. We should have a Karen Sutterville. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Whoa, you could do this on your show because then people wouldn't get to see what we look like and they could just imagine. They could just imagine. We don't even have to have her in here. We don't need the... We wouldn't have to deal with the headache. We could just pretend Karen Sutterville is here. Well, between the two of you, like each of you could play like a boob. I like when she tells me, you are not thinking straight. I just fucking love that. I love when she tells me, Sean, all these people are squares and it's so boring. Yeah. Yeah. You're all straight laced, conservative. Yeah, you're so conservative. Well, man, I got to see that. I have to see that Karen Sutterville documentary. Please finish it. If you ever like want to like screen like a rough edit or something, you know, they have that every once in a while when movies will screen a rough edit just to show it. I really would like to be on the guest list for that, man. I got to see that. I have to see it. Maybe we can exchange some tapes too and like... So we can further... Maybe. Maybe next time we can like have Karen Sutterville on and we'll give you a call, you know, and then we could have like some kind of negotiation and see what she wants to edit out. Maybe we can make that the new audio track for the trailer. We could swap out the old one and just put that up. Yeah. Well, cool, man. I got to see that, man. You know what? Before we play some more tracks, there's actually a new inside affair. Compliments of a fuck ass and his patrol. Yeah. 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You're listening to the More Music Radio Pod Stay classy Alright, welcome back to the More Music Radio Pod Hey man It's punk rock nights, man I had a lot of fun tonight, man Thank you so much for coming down to the More Music Radio Pod, Sean Thanks for having me down here It was a pleasure He performed like it was a Monday night Yeah It was awesome So, uh Yeah, this is the end of the show Who likes candy canes? It's almost Christmas Oh yeah, Christmas time is coming up You guys got any Christmas shopping done? We're going to do a family fest Oh yeah, a family fest Yeah, on December 29th and 30th I'm really sticking myself out there I've never done anything like this before But we're going to do a workshop Where's this occurring? It's happening at two different places It's happening at Cat Nap Yeah On December 29th And what's called Chucos On December 30th So like an east side Or west side And then an east side Can we find these places like On the interweb And then we would know where they're at? Yeah, there's like a family FMLY Look it up on What is family fest? Like what's a Is it like Festivus? Exactly, yeah It's Ben's It's Ben's It's Ben's It's Ben's It's Ben's It's Ben's It's Ben's It's Ben's Well, I'm always saying like Do it yourself Their thing is do it together D-I-T Oh, okay Which I think is You know, it's a really cool New variation You know Actually Pretty accurate Since we're into acronyms You said that you were going to talk about Temporary autonomous zones Oh yeah, that's what my talk is about Yeah Yeah, so this has been this like Philosophy Talking about toes This is like this code And like philosophy That's like shaped my whole life And I found out about Through music Really? Yeah, like I used to really like Stuff that like Bill Aswell did And like John Zorn And they would do these like weird One-off bands You know, this is back in the Late 80s and early 90s When like there were actual record companies And they'd do things like You know, blow like Tens of thousands of dollars On like some release That like no one listened to You know, but Because it was They could put it on CD You know There are always guys Who are like paying for records And whatever So all these crazy ass Records got made And those guys were always Talking about this guy Hakeem Bay You know I said Around the time of the first Gulf War So that sounded kind of exotic You know, who's this guy? What's Taz? What's it all about? It's Richard Bay's African cousin Right Hakeem Bay Show Yeah, so it's this guy Peter Lamborn Wilson Yeah And his philosophy is really cool His ideal like anarchist Like Perfect setting Is a party Right Which I relate to very much Right, me too, yeah Yeah I think most people can, you know I mean like You don't even have to be like Punk rock And like be at the parties I mean your grandma Can like Yeah Party She probably does every Christmas Or you know, whatever And like So, you know The idea of a party As being the ultimate expression Of like human existence Has always been like Something that's really intrigued me And I've tried You know Everything I've done Has been like You know Trying to experiment With different angles On the same concept Like, you know How What are different ways That we can do a party with Right Different ways you can have a gathering Right It's actually a post-leftist Kind of idea, right? I've subsequently found that out Post-leftist, yeah I looked on Wikipedia too I was like I'm gonna look into this stuff, you know And it's like It's actually the post-leftists Are actually capping on the left wing And they're like farther out to the left But the actual idea is really cool Besides the little puns It's a really cool idea Because in fact Like we're kind of into that too With the Mormons We have the Mormons mobile unit And we set up our temporary autonomous zones Wherever we go and play Wherever we feel like it, you know Your show is a temporary autonomous zone Exactly, yeah We've created one in this area Right And we're trying to make it A permanent autonomous zone The other thing I The other thing I might do at Family Fest Is I'm also Like I really got into You know Jodorowsky You know Yes Jodorowsky Whatever Whatever his name is Anyway If you're white you say Jodorowsky Yeah If you're from Mexico you say Jodorowsky Jodorowsky Jodorowsky Jodorowsky That guy does psycho magic Psycho magic What's that? He's owning tarot cards and stuff He's just like kind of Well he does this thing I'm going to do it at Family Fest I'm determined now Because I really have no It's like I have no gimmick It's like Criss Angel But like less douchey Like less eye makeup No He explains tarot cards Not like really having any meaning Or not predicting anything Okay, alright This is totally giving me a headache Totally giving things away But it won't make that much sense So hopefully You know No one's expectations will be diminished Or expanded Alright Alright So basically you have like a room full of people And you choose a person Then you say to them Who's your mother? Who's your father? Do you have brothers and sisters? Who's your brother? Who's your sister? Who's your grandmother? And they are supposed to pick people As quickly as possible From the audience That reminds them That reminds them of that relationship And then you say Where does your father stand next to you? Where does your mother stand next to you? Where does your sister stand next to you? Where does your brother stand? Etc And then they actually physically stand In that position According to the person you pick Like how do you touch your mother? How do you touch your father? And you like do all this stuff Yeah And then right when they've done Like all their family And their circle of friends You turn out the lights And then you feel this like incredible feeling Well it's kind of like a physical seance reading Where the people are a part of it That's right It's almost like a It's like It's like tarot Tarot cards Tarot it's like You have all these archetypes And the archetypes are perfectly aligned And there's like this magical feeling That you get So we're gonna We're gonna We're gonna attempt that You know whenever I like Try to take part in stuff like that Like I never feel the magical feeling And just like man I'm one of these people That just Me too I remember the YMCA Had this maze And it was They put two of the lights out And then a panic attack And there were people touching me Even with Bloody Mary You know what I mean? Like they said Okay you shut off the lights And you wet the mirror And you say Bloody Mary Bloody Mary I said it And there was no Bloody Mary I'm like man This shit never works for me man Damn it Did you check your pussy? I've seen You know what What's really crazy About modern times is You can go and like target And buy the Hodorovsky Like DVD I bought it I didn't buy Box set for like 10.99 It's ridiculous Everybody should buy that And watch it more than once And They have These Bob Brownies While watching it They have Psychological Magic On one of those discs Yeah I've seen it That's where I'm Referring from I've seen the Extra features It's pretty cool though I know I got to meet Hodorovsky That's awesome Yeah And I also It was the same night I was coming out with a mono I got that Disease mononucleosis Me too Have you had that too? Yeah in high school Yeah I got it when I moved to LA Oh wow My first girlfriend I thought gave me AIDS She just gave me a mono Yeah I thought I had AIDS too And I got 21 AIDS tests In one year Well I did I've had a problem with that Wow the black guy I did I've done it twice You've had a problem with AIDS? No like Thinking I've had I'm addicted to AIDS No because I had Like I was 17 And so I'm 17 I should have sex already So I'll have sex with this girl Who I think likes me It was also through playing a show When we first started With the dyslexics Yeah And we were together For two weeks And I'm sick And I was like I'm kind of Neurotic So I was like Oh it was I might I go to things I have chlamydia or something You thought you were gonna die There was I did I remember eating a burrito That had guacamole in it And then I went to the bathroom And there was green pus Coming out of my dick There was Dude when you were talking About the diarrhea stories Earlier all I could think of Was when I met Horovsky I went home And I had like So bad diarrhea Like did this dude Cast a spell on me Or what? He acted as a laxative That's what I thought And then again Later I just like I don't know what it was And I had to get tested I remember going to the doctor And he was like Well did you How many partners have you had? Like well Two Well you got shit luck I would freak out about it I would look at like Any kind of like Blemish on my body I was like Oh fuck I have AIDS I don't know I had to get tested I didn't have to But I paid for it myself too Remember that? That's where Then later I did it again I got like the free test And it was like Planned Parenthood I don't know I have problems Yeah I don't know Well as we all do I got the same kind of thing But you're like You're like way worse You know You know you're pretty bad too You have panic attacks too Yeah Panic attacks I have bad panic attacks And when I was first experiencing those He just forgot Now you're reminded Yeah Now I'm having a panic attack And now he's all fucking freaked out Oh fuck You know but when I first had My first really hardcore panic attack I thought I was having a heart attack And like I couldn't go to sleep Every time I'd like fall asleep I'd feel my heart stop or something And I'd like get up And like I went to work the next day I was totally shitty looking Because I hadn't had any sleep I don't know I think a heart attack Would be a great time To start jerking off With your left hand Because you can't really feel it right So it's like And you get a stranger Oh yeah it's like a stranger Yeah Hey I figured if I'm gonna go Might as well just go I mean jeez Might as well huh Yeah but you want to finish though You don't want to You know what I mean What's the point of I mean you're getting a free stranger You know How do we get to talking about this again Psychomagic Psychomagic That's how it works Yeah when you were talking about tarot cards I was thinking maybe you should like Have somebody read tarot cards But have it like Where everybody no matter what Always gets the worst reading Like oh you're gonna die Oh my god your family Like is in danger or something you know And then people will be Everybody will be all freaked out I don't know if that's They'll go and change their lives Yeah Yeah What Nah Anyway So that's something that you're gonna be doing At family At family Sounds really fucking cool What bands are playing at family fest Bands like Power Axe And all these great bands I mean part of the reason That I'm involved with family Is that they actually turn me on to Like a lot of great new music You know They do this MJ MJ records Have you checked this out They have like a band camp I'm sorry I can't name all the bands They're all really great You just like put it on And it like streams all this Great stuff Is there like a web address Or something Is there like a web address Or like a keyword Or something That would like FMLY FMLY And like all these different bands You're referring Yeah they have like a They have like a mixtape They have like a mixtape on there You can listen to it all But bands like Religious Girls Are playing And Power Axe And you know I really like those guys And you said that's the 29th And the 30th Yeah The first night is on the east side It's on at Cat Nap And then the second night Is on the west side Okay It's kind of hard for me To go over to the west side I just like never have the I never have the I don't get a good feeling over there For FMLY The west side is Crenshaw So Oh okay Well maybe I'll fit in A little bit more over there Yeah you know It's not that far west Some homies down there So we were running that That Inside Affairs segment With Henry Rollins Yeah Yeah I love his column in the LA Weekly I I! I saw Yeah It's so informative Yeah I think if they did like a What was it like Better Stronger Fitter Like from like Okay Computer Yeah They should have all those Like Henry Rollins things I'm not sure It's some kind of thing Where he walked on Like a Henry Rollins computer That can read all your That came into his head And that's When I was Hanging out in East Africa I thought about Okay Computer No but I I actually saw Henry Rollins last night He was Was he wearing his black shorts? Were you standing next to his neck? Yeah he was Yeah he looked like He was like You know Shirtless Yeah With some basketball No actually he was interviewing This Dinosaur Junior cover band Fronted by Santa Claus apparently For his column or something? Was that probably for the Weekly? No no Well no no No there was a Dinosaur Junior cover band Called Dr. Dinosaur And they played that? Really? Sounds good Yeah I know So I went But yeah You saw him there huh? Yeah and Yeah it was It was a very good show Santa Claus can play the hell out of a fucking guitar Yeah? I don't know if anybody's seen Jay Maskis lately He looks like Santa Claus I knew that's who you were talking about Oh He's very His name right now He's very old He's like Yeah he's I think he's pushing 60 And he's got like white hair I see I saw him on Jenny Jones Yeah Dinosaur Junior's on Jenny Jones Was kind of like Yeah that was like a really cool day for me Yeah I was like what? Well I'm really stoned I'm pretty sure I'm watching Dinosaur Junior On Jenny Jones right now What the hell's going on? White Dinosaur Junior's like a co-member It was just Jay Maskis But it was like We were like watching What the fuck's going on here? Is that He's on What? But Yeah and We found out that That Lou Barlow's got a Studio over at our old Oh yeah Lou Barlow Over at Lou Barlow The ABC studio Folk Implosion right? Goes back to our Producers Yeah Roots Yeah We worked with Wally Gagel And we were actually Practicing In the late Mid to the We were practicing And they started a movie With Kevin Bacon That's how it's all connected We were practicing For the recording of our Statement of No Statement CD That was produced by Wally Gagel And he like Worked with Folk Implosion Fucking Yield I love Folk Folk Implosion It's cool man We got to work with this guy And we're practicing In Lou Barlow's studio man Fucking Pretty fucking Kick ass right? Right on That was cool That was back in the I guess he's still there At ABC right? Yeah Yeah Yeah We're Dinosaur Junior Practices Cool Well you know That song means that We're wrapping it up And again I want to Thank Sean Carnage For coming down And Makai for coming down We really appreciate it That was a really Fucking Hopefully There's a lot of stuff That we didn't really hit on Hopefully you come back And we can have you on again On the More Music Radio Pod Man We had a good time Thanks a lot guys Good conversation Great Awesome Great guys So before we Before we go How can people Find out what you're up to? They can Follow me on Facebook Facebook.com Slash Sean Carnage Or they can Go to SeanCarnage.com Cool Alright awesome man Thanks again And This is the time Where Dan reads off What's going on in LA This weekend Alright This is the week Coming up in your life So Friday If you're in the Valley You can go to the The Koolaku Woodshed Out in like Laurel Canyon 5230 Laurel Canyon Sebastian Bach Is playing out there That's not the guy From Skid Row Nor is it like The German composer His house got flooded And he kept His comic books Are in this big safe I think they're still there But he has always Great things That's true He's a roommate Of one of the guys From Falsetto Teeth Who is a great band And he's an equally Great musician Anyway That team is going to be On Saturday If you're in Santa Monica You might catch Bad Religion At the Santa Monica Civic Center And if you Stay in that area You'll catch The Vandals At the same venue Aren't we supposed To play with those guys Yeah I know right You know people They always say stuff They're like Oh yeah we'd love you To play with us You know and like We've been fucking Kicking it In the fucking scene For fucking 13 years already You know it's just like Yeah you know what A lot of people Like to talk And Joe Escalante Said that He wants us to play With the Vandals And he said Next time the Vandals Play It's in type Mexicans man Can't trust them Yeah can't trust That guy man No you know I'm sure We'll be playing With the Vandals Very soon We'll just have to go And bug Joe Escalante On his radio show Next time we'll call in Yes So you know That Sunday night Takes you right back Into Monday And you can go You can go check out See exactly what Sean Connors looks like He's at Paris Space Yeah That's like Is that 325 Glendale Boulevard Am I getting that right In the Glen Village Plaza In the Glen Village Plaza If you find it You're super cool And And Or at least Still sober Yeah exactly Just look up Paris Space In Google Maps Not to You'll find it You will You will That is true Google knows everything We got a conflict Of interest On that Monday night Because we do have Friends playing At Thad Light That's Manhattan Mystery Right Gotta go see those guys Yeah you know It's not that far You can just go to both Torn between two lovers Sean What do we do January 2nd man What's on January 2nd Manhattan Murder Mystery Moves from the satellite To Paris Space Awesome Right there Yeah boom Cool That's gonna be The first show Of the year That I go to I think Yeah it's gonna be John Barba Nicole Kidman Oh cool You know that guy And he picked All his favorite bands And he picked Manhattan Murder Mystery So I'm gonna say Nicole Kidman Because Tom Cruise And stuff right That guy's a weirdo I hope he's there So Tuesday At the Redwood That's our Bar of note Lightning Woodcock And I think Matt From Manhattan Murder Mystery And Henry from Bastidas Is gonna be doing Yeah everybody's Gonna be doing Like an acoustic Christmas song Kind of thing Joe's kind of thing Isn't it Yeah Yeah yeah There's a bunch So basically Everybody in our circle Is gonna be At the Redwoods So go to that So we'll find out If we're good friends And we show up to that Chances are We're not Well chances are I'm lazy No We always do our best If we don't show up At your show It's not cause we don't like you It's cause we don't like you Or you don't like us For some stupid ass Fucking reason Anyway Once again Thanks again Sean For coming down To the More Music Radio Pod We wanna thank you I would like to thank Dan And I wanna thank Patrick For being here And Supporting me And helping me out And making it easy For me to do this thing And I also wanna thank Sonia for running the board Everybody round of applause For Sonia Woo She's been here every week Ever since we moved To the new studio New Skid Row Studios And we really appreciate it Thank you very much