Dorner manhunt discussion, LAPD manifesto, and news topics

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I wanted to talk about the crazy film-like event going on, the manhunt, the biggest manhunt in California, going on for the ex-cop, ex-LA cop, Christopher Dorner, who is suspected, and really more than suspected, because he kind of admitted to it in a manifesto of killing three people. Three people, one cop wounding another couple of cops, or another one cop at least, and then basically declaring war on Facebook, of all places, against the people that he felt in the LAPD that have wronged him. He was fired in, I believe, 1999. When was he fired? And so he is basically... I'm not sure when he was fired. I got to go back and find out when he was fired. But he was fired in 2009, I apologize. Firefighter. He was fired from the department in 2009, and so he has declared war on them, and has basically killed the daughter of the person who represented him in his case, and then her husband, she killed him as well, or her fiance, and then has killed another cop, and has listed a bunch of names of people that he wanted to kill. He likes Charlie Sheen, though. He does like Charlie Sheen. Well, that's the thing, is he has a crazy manifesto where you're like, this seems very logical. He's laying out his case as to how he was wrong. You know what? What he did, though, is he destroyed the insanity defense. By what? By the manifesto. The psychological profile is that this guy knows exactly what he's doing. He does know exactly what he's doing, but in his manifesto, I mean, there's a couple of things where you go, there's a break in logic there. Yeah, there's definitely some crazy things in there, but it's premeditated murder. Oh, there's no doubt about it. It's still premeditated. When you write 20 pages, it's premeditated. It takes me months to write 20 pages. So, yes. And I think when things are premeditated, it's difficult to get that insanity plea. It's different than I went berserk and murdered some people. I hate to say this, also, because it shouldn't play a role in it, but when it gets enough attention, it's hard to get an insanity plea. Yeah. But he is, I mean, here's a guy who has laid out in great detail why he is angry and specifically who he is angry at. And so you say, this guy knows exactly what he's doing, which is what you just said. But then you also say, in writing, he's doing this. He also puts in, I like Charlie Sheen. Here's who Hillary should probably pick. I'm upset I'm going to miss the season finale of this show. I think Kelly Clarkson is great. Is it possible that he is smart enough to know that in a town like Los Angeles, if you write a manifesto and mention a bunch of well-known people's names, you're going to get some huge press out of this? Because half of the press coming out is these random, these celebrities that he's mentioned. Yes, but I think if you write, maybe. I mean, here's the thing is, I think that- It's on the level of mad genius if he actually understood that that's what he was doing. If he said, I'm going to sprinkle some strangeness into my manifesto that already declares war on a police department, then yeah, that is mad genius. Because it's already, he was going to get a crazy amount of attention for killing a cop, killing the daughter of a cop that represented him, and then putting a manifesto out saying, I'm going to kill as many cops as I can, no negotiations. So you're going to get a lot of publicity right off the bat doing that. If somewhere in his head, he said to himself, you know what? If I sprinkle some celebrity names in here too, this would really catch fire. Well, then I don't know if that makes him genius or slightly crazier. And that's the problem. I mean, we're talking about a guy who lays out all this detail that sounds like this guy is on top of his shit. But then comes with, I have to do this to get my reputation back. So you're looking to change your reputation from a guy who tells false statements. Did he really, do you think he believed that he's going to restore his reputation? He put it in his manifesto. Is that what it said? It said, yes, he needs to do this. He was, this is an unnecessary, I mean, an evil he didn't want to do, but he, a necessary evil, I'm sorry that he said, that he didn't want to do, but what he has to go through in order to reclaim his name. And then actually put, the definition of name, and he put name, and then put the definition underneath it, part of which was reputation and things along those lines. So, yeah, he's not going to get that. No, I mean, he may, but in his best case scenario. He's going to get the electric chair is what he's going to get. Do they still use the electric chair? I don't know. Do they? I think in his position, he knows that having killed a cop, he will not go gently into that good night. No, no, no. I don't think he has any. But now they suspect that he's in Mexico. So, yeah. Well, the fact that they thought. Isn't that where you go if you fuck up really bad and you still want to live out your days? You just go to Mexico. Should he not be easy to catch? Should he be the one guy sneaking the other way? Is that not the easy guy to catch? He's the one guy who's not Mexican on the border and he's going the other way. Okay, get him. He looks like, hey, he looks like LL Cool J on roids. Can you just capture that guy? He's had enough time. He's had what? What is it? Five years? Four years? What, the plan this, you mean? Yeah. Yeah, 2009. So, four years, three and a half, four years, yes. They do have security footage of him buying scuba gear, I think, at the Sports Chalet in Torrance. Yeah, and they take you to the limit over at Sports Chalet. That's the fucking thing about Sports Chalet. There's a local spot for us. Sports Chalet. This guy's on the run from the cops and you can see footage of him at Sports Chalet going, this costs how much? What are you guys, nuts? Do you have that in blue? Yes. As a matter of fact, they do, Miles. They do whatever you want. They got it in blue and it's a little more expensive than it should be. This guy is completely, I don't know, man. But it's exciting, isn't it? Isn't the whole thing kind of exciting? It's surreal. It is surreal. It's very surreal, right? It is. These cops want this guy bad. Oh my God, so bad. I mean, first of all, cops want this guy bad because he's killing cops and their families. That's right off the bat. So, you're all ready. And now you add in any cop at all who has any of this shit in their background where they're like, I've been a little crooked over the years. Exactly. I need this guy dead. And I saw a clip of one of the cops talking about, you know, it was one of the footage of, I don't know if it was at the memorial service or whatever it was. And he said, we're going to find him and we're going to bury him. That's what he did. He didn't even pretend. He didn't mix words. There was no, he said, we're going to bury him. You're like, what? I would assume so, but it doesn't, I don't, I can't see how Dorner can think he can be, unless he escapes and he's gone for good now, I can't see how he even thinks he can get out of this. It doesn't look like he wants to get out of it. All I know is that they don't, they're balls to the wall right now and they still don't have any real clue where he is. No. And if he disappeared and went to Mexico and had everything prearranged where now he's in fucking Nigeria, you know, who knows where? I mean, I assume if he tried to fly that they'd be able to get that, right? Yes. Or is there still ways around that stuff? I don't know. That's conspiracy theory right there, but, but yeah, I don't know. You have to assume the cops are going to be slightly, slightly distracted with the unbelievable amounts of calls that they're going to get of people saying, hey, there's a large suspicious black man in my town because people do that already before there's a manhunt for a large suspicious black man. Yeah. So they do that already. So, I mean, what did they just cleared out a Lowe's or something somewhere and he wasn't in there? I wonder if you hit on something when you said he's had several years. Is this a spur of the moment thing that he's come up in the last two weeks or is this something that he's been calculating? That's, that's what I'm thinking is that this guy has been planning for literally years to pull this off and he finally got the right pieces in place to, to execute. And, and, I don't know if it's years or if it's weeks, but, but he is certainly planning and it may be years. I have no reason to say it's not years. I mean, it's 2009 when, what, what I'm saying, I mean, he had, he has knowledge, privileged knowledge because he was on the police force. He's Navy trained too, right? Wasn't he in the Navy? Marines. Marines. I mean, he's eluded them this long. I, I really thought that they were going to have him by now just because the monumental effort behind finding this guy. Biggest manhunt in California history. Yeah. I mean, this is, well, when, when he went up to, when they sent everybody to Big Bear, this was, that was, that's the biggest red herring. Yeah. That was, that seemed like, you know, very, very movie-esque where you're like, oh, look, we went here. Everybody go there and search here. You're like, why would this guy light his, unless he's planning on drawing them in and just opening fire and dying in a blaze, why would he light his car on fire to draw people to him unless it was set on a timer and he's already gone? And he's already, yeah, hundreds of miles away. It seems crazy to me. It is, it is, but at the same time, what, what were the police supposed to do? If they have leads, and he could be in Big Bear, they have to go to Big Bear. I understand that. I'm just saying the, we expect to find him, the people expecting to find him there surprised me because I understand the cops have to, have to search, but I would have assumed he was not there waiting, going, oh man, the cops did come to the lit car on fire. And I don't doubt that that wasn't their, their sole area of concentration. They certainly sent a, a force there in case it were the case that he's just loony to him. No, that was their sole search at first. And they were probably looking. Initially it was, yeah. No, I'm sure they didn't divulge where else their, uh, efforts were. but they had any, a huge number, a huge number of people. I'm sure they're not, you know, they're not divulging all the information obviously, but they had a huge number of people that were up there. but it didn't last, it, it, even on that first day. Yeah. Even on that, first day, there was a lot of suspicion. He's probably not here, but we, we gotta, we gotta do this because if we don't, and he shows up in a log cabin in big bear somewhere, you know, we fucked up. I think he's looking for the hole that Saddam used to live in for a little while. Yeah. That way. That is nice. Still as tiny as that is, that was, uh, in Los Angeles, that still goes for $600. I believe it'll catch him making s'mores there in a month. Well, coming up, we're going to talk about another police officer. Uh, another former LAPD who has just put a manifesto, his own manifesto. This seems like the least violent manifesto I've ever heard, but reaching out to Christopher Dorner. We'll talk, we'll talk about that when we come back. There's a lot going on in the world. You should probably know some of it. Laugh and learn during the weekly wrap up with Ken August. In sports, Ray Lewis is convinced that God is on the Raven side. God, on the other hand, might be too scared of Ray Lewis to tell him he doesn't give a shit about football. Catch up on the week's biggest stories, the least depressing way possible. Listen to the weekly wrap up Sundays at 10 o'clock Eastern on Extreme Talk XM 165 and online at skidrowstudios.com. On the next episode of the weekly wrap up. With the deadline expiring, Congress finally struck a deal to avoid the fiscal clip, proving that Congress only sucks 99% of the time. And in sports, the NFL playoffs are set. The Jets season is over, but on the way out of the locker room, Mark Sanchez ran into his teammate and fumbled. One last time. 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There is another former LAPD officer who just came out with his own manifesto. I don't know what makes it a manifesto, by the way. Maybe it has to be Italian. I don't know. Jones. I don't know. His last name is Jones. 48 years old. Was a patrol officer for nine years. Retired in 19. He just put out his own manifesto expressing condolences for Dorner's victims as well as for Dorner himself and for anyone else, he says, who has, quote, suffered the injustices of police corruption, scandals, lies, deception, and brutality. So also a former LAPD who is not a fan of the LAPD. I'm looking at this the first time I'm seeing it. Joe Jones is his name. And he says, his personal, personal accounts of being wronged by the LAPD. He had his home viciously attacked by a gunman with his family and himself. Inside the house, he received very little support. He had his civil rights violated on several occasions. Falsely arrested at gunpoint by a sheriff, he said, who ID'd himself and was conspired against. He said he was conspired against by the sheriff, any LAPD, when his civil case went to trial. There's more he has. But he basically has put out this manifesto saying, I too have been wronged. Chris, you're not the only person I feel for you, but you're going about it the wrong way. So at least he wasn't supportive of the murders. No, not supportive of the murders. And Miles asked an interesting point during the break, which was, do you think the LAPD was behind this, putting this guy out to say, hey, let's try to get somebody who he thinks is on his side. I wouldn't put it past them because... If not LAPD, perhaps somebody with the surname Tuyasa Sopo. Oh, Tuyasa Sopo! Yeah, he may have done it. This is, you know, I wouldn't put it past the police. I think they'll do anything at this point. So, yeah. I mean, certainly I am surprised that I have not heard anything about, like from his mother. I expect the only relative that I've heard that he has at this point. They have spoke to his mother though, right? I'm sure. I think I heard something along those lines. Yeah, I'm sure they have. But I would have expected to hear some kind of call for her, from her to, you know, hey... But didn't he say something like his family died when he was young, so therefore he's kind of estranged from his family and... He did have some family though. I think his dad died when he was young. No, I think it was, he was using it metaphorically saying that, you know, basically they're dead to him. Oh. But I remember he said, I mean, he, he got fired from the police in 2000, what did I say, 2009. And he had said that his mother had said to him, well, sometimes bad things happen to good people. So she had to be alive by 2009. Yeah. So I don't know, maybe she has died since then. And I thought he had a sister as well. The connection I'm trying to say is that they're not physically dead. That I think I read something or heard something that he said that they were dead to him. And what I'm saying is, is maybe that's why they're not using her to call out because their relationship may not be that good in present day. No, that may be true. I mean, I just, the way I read that, it sounded like she was trying to console him. So I assumed, I guess I automatically assumed they had some sort of relationship. But a lot has happened between 2009 and 2013. That is true. And probably, you know, a lot in the mind of a person who thinks that this is a good way to go about his business. How about the, how about the people that got shot? At, mistakenly by the LAPD, they were delivering groceries. I thought it was newspapers. Okay, newspapers. They were not him. They were not him. Neither one of them were him. Two Latino women, I believe. Yeah. And there wasn't even the exact same car. Forget that it didn't have the same license plate, obviously. It wasn't even the exact same car. So somewhere along the lines, there were two cops that went, hey, is that his car? And someone went, could be. Let's shoot. Yeah. And every news story that I've heard ends the segment with, and these two Latino women have now gotten lawyered up. Yeah, I would think so. I'm surprised I haven't heard Gloria Allred already jump on this case. But yeah, I mean, first of all, and that's the sad thing. I mean, you and you have somebody doing what Christopher Dorner is doing. You want, you want to discredit everything he says. But right off the bat, the case he lays out for the shit that happened to him to be fired, he would have, and I don't know that he's telling the truth, but he would have had to have been making a false statement for some unknown reason, as opposed to what's more believable, that somebody, you know, reported it and they told him to shut up and kind of railroaded him for reporting his, his superior cop, or he decided to randomly make up an abuse claim about his superior. Like, I mean, what seems more believable? So you, you want to go, okay, well, he makes some sense there. And you want to say, and now look at how some of the police react. Forget that this isn't necessarily the same cops that have wronged him and it's a different scenario, but you know, now in an attempt to capture him, you get these bungling, you know, cases where it's happened twice. The one with the two women we're talking about was, was more severe. Cause they opened like 50 rounds. Like how are you a cop? And you think, I understand you're on edge. I give you complete credit for being on edge. And if there's a big noise, sure. But you're a cop and you just open 50 rounds without even giving a warning of any sort or even calling to see what their license plate should be. I would do a hardcore investigation into whoever fired that first shot because that guy wants, wants this guy dead. Let me ask you this too. Cops that do that, right? And I'm not saying everybody is the same, but let's just say, give them the benefit of the doubt of they're on edge and whatever. I mean, it's hard to give too much benefit of the doubt when you open 50 rounds on somebody that's two women that don't even have guns and they're bad enough that from that range, they didn't even kill anybody. And I'm glad they didn't. But one woman who I believe is expected to make a recovery, but was in the hospital and the other woman got grazed from like broken glass. So you open fire and couldn't even, couldn't even hit your target who you thought it was, which is bad enough. I mean, that whole case is bad enough, but what if they would have killed those people? Do you really think they would have just not tried to frame them in some way? It would have been like, oh, sorry, we murdered these two people. Not only- They were coming right for us. Exactly. I find it hard to believe and completely speculative, but I find it hard to believe that these two people would have opened fire and then would have been like, you know what? We probably have to go to jail because we opened fire on these two people for no reason. I find that hard to believe. It's possible. But I find it hard to believe. It would certainly be a career limiting move having done that. The only weapons at the ladies disposal were LA Times copies that they were throwing. Yeah. It was a heavy newspaper. You guys don't see newspapers anymore, but they were heavy. I mean, that's the thing is, like you said, that is, that would be a career ending move. If you shot somebody, opened 50 rounds because they were in a similar colored vehicle to somebody else and that's it, that's all you based it on and you open fire 50 rounds, on innocent people, that there's a good chance your career as a field officer, as an officer in the field, may be done. Maybe not, but maybe. Cops are in a very difficult situation. You have people that look at, unfortunately, there's a groundswell of support for Dorton. There are people wearing shirts, you know, saying free Dorton, things like that. Shit, really? Unbelievable stuff. That's amazing. Shirts already? That's amazing. in this particular, you know, so it's definitely a difficult job, but in this particular instance, you have two individuals in, let's say for whatever reason, they identified this truck as probably being the one that they were looking for. You have two individuals in there with a known psychopath. They, it would seem that they would establish prior to opening fire, whether that second individual was there against their will or, you know, in concert with the, with the car. Well, yes, but that's also assuming that they knew that there were two other people in the car, and that they knew that there were two other people in the car in the first place. I mean, they obviously thought he was in the car, so they didn't know how many people, if anyone. I mean, I don't know, I don't know if they thought he had people hostage or if it was just the, and I agree with you because even if he was in there with them, then yes, they're probably hostage and how are you just opening fire anyway, which all ties back to my point of if they would have killed these people, would they really have just been like, hey, my fault, sorry, I probably should go to jail now, or would they have tried to protect their own asses in the first place? and said, hey, you know what, why don't you just take that pound of drugs and put it in her car, or why don't you put them? I'm going to disagree with you there. I think the very reason the whole city is in this position is because this guy, rightly or wrongly, was a bad egg, and the police do a pretty good job at weeding out the bad eggs because they know from, what does bad egg mean? Does bad egg mean that he was a whistleblower? No, I'm referring to like, a rogue cop that's going to take the, take the, he's a murderer, rampart scandal, take, you know, what's happened in the 30s, 40s, 50s, and the LAPD is trying to clean up their, because his claim was, is that he got pinched and he was basically set up for the fall for, or it was a, it was a bad investigation, right? Dorner, no, Dorner's claim is, is he, why was he let go from the police? His claim was that he reported, there was an incident where he and his, his training officer, his superior, they arrested somebody who, a schizophrenic. Yeah, who they were claiming was, and the woman was using force on him. Yeah, she said, while he was handcuffed, she, he kicked, she kicked the guy at least two extra times, unnecessarily, and two weeks later, or nine days later, or something like that, Dorner went in and reported it to his, you know, to somebody else, and he said, according to this guy, he came in, all stressed out, and said, he reported it, and said, please don't do anything, which seems weird, because then, why are you reporting it? And the guy said, well, I have to do something, and he brought it to, you know, he brought it in front of these people, and they had a hearing, and they decided that, after this long hearing, that he made up false statements, and that it wasn't true what he was saying. Now, there's some reasons to say, well, some people say, well, why did he wait so long if it's true? Well, that doesn't mean anything to me, because it could take you a handful of days to decide whether or not you want to make everybody in your, you know, at your workplace hate you. Hate you, yeah. So, he might have gone with that, but, there was also the evidence of that the father of the schizophrenic person said, you know, who was kicked, supposedly, you know, he testified that he asked his son, hey, what's that mark on you? And they went, and his son said, I was kicked. So, there's reason to believe the guy was telling the truth. The board, basically, came with, well, we're not, we have no proof, and there's no footprints or anything on his clothes, and we don't see enough marks on him to say that he was kicked. So, false statement against you, and then they got him out of the force. I don't know. I have a tough time thinking that he's lying about that. That's what I'm saying. It's easier to believe that, and you want to discredit a guy who's doing horrible shit. But, there's things in there where you go, it's hard to fully discredit this guy. On the other hand, you know there's a break in logic when, when, you go from this to, to, I need to kill the relatives of these people because that's the only way I'm going to regain my name. And you're like, well. Well, obviously that's broken, but, I mean. Does not mean that, yes, but the fact that he has gone crazy, apparently, does not mean that his initial story is untrue. And so, now the police have reopened that case. Right. And they're claiming, which cracks me up because they don't want to sound like they've given in to some sort of what they call domestic terrorism right now, so they don't want to sound like they're giving in to that, but they did come with, well, just so you know, we're not opening it up because of anything he's done. We're opening it up because we want the public to think that we have transparency. Right, right. It was just on the bottom of the, the pile, and, and, you know, they got through that pile at exactly the same time that he decided to go murder people. Yeah, exactly. So, it's not him, but we want everyone to know that we're transparent and the only reason you even know about any of this is because of him. But it's not, it's not him. So, you know, that is, that is absolutely insane and, you know, we'll see how that goes. I'm surprised. It's five days. I thought he would have been caught by now, but now, you would say maybe he's gone, but this guy's, based on what this guy wrote, he's not looking to kill two people and leave. Right. He's looking to pick off a whole bunch more people. So, even if he fled to Mexico, you have to assume he may come back at some point. That, that is the psychological profile that I heard is that, um, this guy definitely wants to kill more people. Yeah, that is, that, that is absolutely crazy. 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We cover everything from conspiracy theories to the truth. Please join us. I know I know. Keep a semi-open door policy for anybody that wants to come fucking by just so that someone else can talk. Yeah. There's a couple of other things we still have to figure out. I think, like, what is the easiest way to give the weekly wrap-up their fucking thing and what I'll do with headlines and what happens if you can't make it or if I can't make it. I like that idea as well. I'm leaning towards that. I like that idea. It's a question of whether it's also Wednesdays or whether or not I do something else to at least have something at the end of the show. Now, looking at the time, like, when we stopped, you know, we didn't do a full session, but when we stopped, you had about 20 minutes left. Do you think you'll be able to fill that 20 with, you know, if you're going full bore? Got, you know, your... Got my notes and everything? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I would think so. I would certainly think so. Yeah. I mean... You may have to talk the way you were talking there, but yes. I don't... Like I said, if it's something that I actually know anything about, like, I don't mind talking. Like, I have been following this case on KFI. That's where I get all my news from pretty much. So, what you got to do is you got to listen to KFI the night before. And find out stuff you can talk about this night. Because, yeah. Well, I mean, here's the thing. Most of the time, if it's going to be this format, then most of the time... The stories are going to be big enough where it's like, there's not going to be a lot of... What do you think... It's not going to be... I'm not going to talk about banking for an hour. You know what I'm saying? So, if there's some big banking scandal that has to be talked about, I'm going to have to find some big encompassing fucking scandal that I can bring different scandals in, in the conversation. Because I'm not going to talk about fucking, you know, hey, these guys rigged the fucking LIBOR rate. That's going to be... I can't talk about that for an hour. So, I can't do that either. But, you know, when it's shit... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, when it's shit like this, like the fiscal cliff would probably be the closest thing I would have had. And even that is just making fun of the ineffectiveness of Congress. Yeah. That's the most probably like, oh, shit, I don't really know anything about that topic before I start doing research on it. But otherwise, yeah, I would think I can do that. Now, what do you think about the same topic for the first hour? I think that it will work once you have... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. full notes basically we want to figure out what different angles of the same story you want to look at you know bringing up the new manifesto is another angle of the story right you know those types of things right like like the manhunt thing i think that's easy because i can talk about the manhunt thing and then there's the angle on what you know there's the angle on what he's doing there's the angle on the police and what he has accused the police of doing and then there's the manifesto angle and things like that so that's easy enough um drones it's easy to speculate with that story you can speculate about anything yes you know yes and those kind of stories because because the cops haven't really said exactly what they're doing about it and so far they're losing no doubt about that losing at least in terms of finding this guy i mean i really did think that this was going to be wrapped up pretty quick yeah yeah yeah! you would think it's not that hard to sneak one dude past anything i mean why why wouldn't he just be doing what he was doing what he was doing what he was doing what he was doing what he was doing what he was doing what he was doing what he was doing what he was doing what he was doing what he was doing what he was doing what he was doing what he was doing what he was doing what he was doing what he was doing what he was doing what he was doing what he was doing what he was doing what he was doing what he was doing what he was doing what he was doing what he was doing what he was doing what he was doing what Because of LAPD's reputation. Right. The long-standing reputation of corruption. Right. But his big thing is, hey, most of what you people think has been dealt with has not been dealt with. Besides me being wrong, all this other shit that's been going wrong since the Rodney King days is all still fucking a problem. And most of these people have been now promoted. That's a big part of his fucking thing. Yeah. And that appeals to any working man who sees the idiot in the office get a big promotion. And it appeals to anybody who's ever heard anything about fucking LAPD. Who go, oh, yeah, I can believe that. And then in response to the case, they open fire on two fucking women that aren't even in the same exact car. How in the world are they? These guys were staked out at one of the people named in the manifesto, a former captain or a current captain or something like that. And so they were there to protect him. How in the world did they not get a little intel in advance and say, okay, at 5 o'clock the L.A. time, the truck comes by. The normal time for the trash pickup is then. The recycle comes on this day at this time. How did they not establish these things in advance and say it? Well, ballpark it. Yeah, can you see this thing? I know a newspaper sales are down. But this thing is coming. You see newspapers flying out of it. Isn't that right? Yes, it is. Yes, it is. Here's the thing is, even if you don't see any of that stuff, how about it's got to be the same car. And let's get behind our car and fucking at least they come out with their hands out. Yeah, let's at least make sure it's a large one. I'm into John real quick. Yeah, check it out. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.