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Pep Williams on skating, photography, lowrider culture, and LA street life

54m 00s
💾 549 MB
📅 2015-05-07
📺 Video recording
File: nlr_150507_180052_SRS001.wav
Duration: 54m 00s
Size: 549 MB
Aired: 2015-05-07
Host: Johnny Scott Gramercy
Guests: Pep Williams
Host Johnny Scott Gramercy interviews Pep Williams, a pro skater, photographer, and apparel designer from Los Angeles. They discuss growing up in Watts, skateboarding culture, photography, lowrider culture, and the upcoming LA Story lowrider art show. The episode features music from Eli Paperboy Reed, The Pointer Sisters, Thelonious Martin, Muta Baruka and The Observers, The Clash, The Lions, Orgone, The Blackbirds, and Amnesty.

🎵 Playlist

1:00 The Satisfier — Eli "Paperboy" Reed & The True Loves 🎧
4:00 Don't It Drive You Crazy — The Pointer Sisters 🎧
24:00 Dis Poem — Mutabaruka 🎧
26:00 Armagideon Time — The Clash 🎧
30:00 This Generation (feat. Malik Moore & Black Shakespeare) — The Lions 🎧
47:00 Rock Creek Park — The Blackbyrds 🎧

📄 Transcript [show]

What is up, loved ones? Neighborhood Love Radio. My name is Johnny Scott Gramercy. I'm your host and selector this evening. Thank you so much for coming by. Come on in. This is my place. You have reached us, and we have reached you. And my guest tonight in the studio, Mr. Pep Williams. What's going on, dude? Hey, Johnny. What's up, bro? Not much. Thank you, man, for inviting me. Thank you for coming down. Pep, if you don't know him, apparel designer, photographer, pro skater, skate shop owner. A couple other things. We're going to talk a little bit about growing up in L.A. and, you know, hustling to get the things you want and trying to give back to where you got from. I'm also going to play some music for you. I got, first up, I got Eli, Paperboy Reed, and The True Loves. The Satisfier is the name of the tune that I'm going to play for you. I'll follow it up with a classic from the Pointer Sisters. And then newish. Music from Thelonious Martin. Hope you enjoy. I'm going to tell you straight now, baby, you just don't understand. I'm the type of man who knows just what to do. And you know just what you've been missing when I get through with you. I'm going to hold you tight and love you right. And you know that I am out of sight. Because I'm the Satisfier. Satisfier, yeah, yeah. I hear you ladies bragging about your man's good love. I just smile to myself because I know it ain't good enough. Let me show you, honey, what satisfaction is all about. And when I get through doing my thing, you know there won't be no doubt. Because when I love you this way, you're going to break right down and say, he's the Satisfier. Oh, I'm the Satisfier, yeah. Satisfier. And when I hold you in my arms, I'm going to love you all night long. You don't need nobody else. Oh, because I can satisfy you. Oh, by myself, yeah. Oh, I'm the native nobody when I go out on the town. I've got a live reputation as the best man in town. All you men out there just running street if you want to hold me long. I'm the one to keep the fire burning when you're not at home. Oh, because when I love you. Just a way, you're going to break right down and say, I'm the Satisfier. Satisfier. Oh, Satisfier, yeah. Satisfier. I'm the Satisfier, baby. Oh, I'm going to sock it to your mama. Just let me, let me show you, baby. Oh, because you know that I'm the Satisfier, mama. Satisfier. Oh, just let me, let me show you, baby. Just let me, let me show you, baby. The way I fix my hair And paint my eyes The perfume that I wear No cheap disguise Put it all to music Makes it feel exactly like romance Well, close enough Don't want to drive you crazy When you see me dance guitar solo You love me You love these sexy shoes And all my style I only speak in whispers With an evil smile Put it all to music Makes it feel exactly like romance Ooh, that's close enough Oh, don't drive me crazy When you see me dance Oh, lift me lift lift lift Try to be crazy, don't try to be crazy When you see me dance Don't try to be crazy, baby Don't try to be crazy Don't try to be crazy, baby Don't try to be crazy I tease you every night and everywhere I know I make it hard But I don't care Just put it all to music And make it feel exactly like romance Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh Don't let it drive you crazy when you see me dance. Dance for you. I'm going to get next to you. Dance for you. I want to feel you. Dance for you. Put your lips on my cheek. Let's lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift and lift I teach you. I teach you. I teach you. I teach you. I teach you. I teach you. And I should have thought it all been like a book Oh, here you breathe the words you need Now I'm lost between the dream and the mess We're watching with our eyes glued to watches Mind and time instead of the afterlife What if we find ourselves in the corners of your mind? Waiting and sighing and dreaming and trying to get through But you never found me My intelligence, suffering, impatience I'm floating and waiting for you And I'm about to become made of glass When the power shifts in your hands Don't mistake me for fragile or defenseless Now I'm seeing you Like a hanging boot, I will weapon with you. What if you wait to find me in the corners of your mind? What if you wait to find me in the corners of your mind? What if you wait to find me in the corners of your mind? What if you wait to find me in the corners of your mind? What if you wait to find me in the corners of your mind? What if you wait to find me in the corners of your mind? What if you wait to find me in the corners of your mind? What if you wait to find me in the corners of your mind? What if you wait to find me in the corners of your mind? What if you wait to find me in the corners of your mind? What if you wait to find me in the corners of your mind? What if you wait to find me in the corners of your mind? What if you wait to find me in the corners of your mind? when I was born, and then my parents moved to Watts. And then just went from there, just the whole rough stuff coming up. But because of my board, I always wanted to travel and go find new spots to go skate. And, you know, I made a fake bus pass, and I was going everywhere. I mean, from Anaheim to just wherever the buses went, I would take it to the last stop. And then it was cool. One of the cool things about Los Angeles to me is, and I'm a native, and I haven't seen all of Los Angeles yet. You know what I mean? It's not like you could come here for a week and see everything. Like, I'm finding every once in a while I end up in some little pocket, some little neighborhood tucked away, you know, somewhere that I've never seen before. And it's awesome. You know, it's pretty cool. It's cool. Like, back in the 70s, they used to have 70s and 80s. Like, in the phone book, there's a list of all the bus lines. And I told myself, I'm going to ride every single bus line. And I would mark it off with a marker just to see where it went. And I went everywhere. And just so happened I found Santa Monica in Venice one day because that was the last bus stop. And that's when that happened in 1984. So being a youngster from Watts and the other areas, I'm guessing, and I was, you know, we're close to age. Mm-hmm. And I don't think you saw a lot of skateboards in those neighborhoods. No. Actually, like, I didn't even know people, like, skated until I was 11. I never saw, like, another skater because my mom called it a toy. She's all, oh, just go play with your toy. You know, but I just loved it so much, I never put it down. And then I was 11, and we moved to off of 97th and Clovis and Watts. And around the corner was a guy named John, John Conti. And he skated. And I was like, and then my mom was so funny. She's all, what's that 16-year-old man doing skating on a toy? And I'm all, what are you talking about? It's not a toy. And she just didn't understand that you could, like, skate and be big. And, like, he was older. Like, I was, like, 11. So he was like a man, you know. But, yeah, but I just, you know, I'm hung out, and I learned from him, and then it went on, and I just grew and grew. Yeah. So through skating, you met, you know, skaters. So skateboarding went hand-in-hand with a lot of things, like music. Oh, yeah, definitely. And apparel. And, like I said, we're close in age, so we both saw that emerge, you know, to where there's some specialized products here and there. Like, you know, you had your Bones 3 shirts or whatever, you know. Yeah. But whole clothing lines blossomed and stuff like that. Yeah, like, especially now, it's, like, everywhere. It's, like, I went from, like, normal skate t-shirts to now. Wow. You strike me as the kind of dude that gets a lot of free t-shirts. I get a few. So. I get a few. You got involved with the, like I said, the merchandising and apparel folks and stuff like that, right? Yeah, well, when it comes to that, I used to model for, like, a lot of different brands because I had a lot of sponsors coming up as a kid when they do fittings. Being a professional skater. Yeah, yeah. They would use me to showcase it. Or whatever, to wear it, be it at a fashion show or something like that. And then that's when the fashion side kicked in. Then I started doing more and more fittings for different brands. So how did, is that where you sort of found a love for photography? Yeah, yeah, just totally random. Just one day, this one guy, what was his name? I forget, but he was a designer and his photographer got double booked. And I found out that the job paid $6,000. And, um. He's, like, running around crazy, like, I need a photographer, I need a photographer. I said, I'm a photographer. And then he looked at me and said, what? He said, well, where's your portfolio? Like, I didn't know you shot. I said, we don't have time for that now. We have a deadline, let's get it done. You said that to him? Yeah. And then he's all, you're right, you're right, you're right. Like, we need this, this. And I'm, like, looking at this whole storyboard. I have no idea what I'm looking at. But I was just thinking that at every major shoot. Dude, your assistant does everything anyway. So I'm thinking I could just hire somebody. So he wrote the check out to me and I hired an assistant. So you subbed it out. Yeah. Done. That's pretty cool. That's pretty cool. Yeah, that's awesome. And that's been one of your main callings ever since. It's just so cool. Like, I did take a turn because I used to shoot for, like, high-end fashion brands, like, a lot. Like, a lot of them. But then my work was beginning to look. Like. Every single photographer. Because every season, every brand copies off every brand. So you're shooting just like this one, like that one. It's a trend-based industry, yeah. Yeah, so I wanted to have my own style, you know. And then from there, I just said, I'm not shooting that anymore. Only if I want, I'm going to shoot what I like. Which is? Which is, like, my friends who are basically just, like, gangsters, drug dealers. It's that cool lifestyle stuff. Yeah. Yeah, loved doing this. I mean, I have a little background in photography as well. And I could tell you straight up that, like, when people just look at one-on-one portraits, you know, portrait work or something, there is plenty of ways to fuck that up. Yeah. You know? And what I think I like about your stuff, Pep, is it can be a straight shot. But there's definitely a story going on. There's a one-panel story. I mean, it's. And just in the backgrounds that you choose. You know? And, like, you know. Yeah. With editing, you know, a little bit sometimes. But you can look at the dudes and it takes a good photographer to be able to catch your, like, the miles on some dude's face, you know? Yeah. And, anyway, that's what I like about your stuff. Anyway. Cool. Cool. Thank you. What, so is that, would you say that's your main bread and butter? I think my main thing. Well, like, photography actually is a part of every aspect of, like, what I do. From the music business to this, like, skate to the fashion because I shoot for, like, all of them. And it's all hooked up with my businesses I have. Yeah. And those different genres. I want to talk to you a little bit more about that in a minute. You hanging out for a while? You want to hear some music? Of course. Of course. This is with the Baruca and the Observers. Under Tight Wraps meets this poem. Produced by DJ Spooky. Enjoy, loved ones. This poem shall speak of the wretched sea that washed its to these shores. Of mothers crying for their young, swallowed up by the sea. This poem shall say nothing new. This poem shall speak of time. Time unlimited. Time undefined. This poem shall call names. Names like Nomumba, Kenyatta, Nkuma, Anibal, Aftaton, Malcolm, Garvey, Eilis, and Lassie. This poem is vexed about apartheid, racism, fascism, the Ku Klux Klan, riots in Brixton, Atlanta, Kim Jones. This poem is revolting against the world. This poem is revolting against first world, second world, third world, division, man-made decision. This poem is like all the rest. This poem will not be amongst great literary works. Will not be recited by cultural enthusiasts. It will not be quoted by politicians or men of religion. This poem is knives, bombs, guns, blood, fire, blazing for freedom. Yes, this poem is a drum. Ashanti, Ma Ma, Ibo, Yoruba, Nyabingi Warriors, and the! Yohuru, Yohuru, Namibia, Yohuru, Yohuru, Sweto, Yohuru, Africa This poem will not change things This poem needs to be changed This poem is a rebirth of a people A rising, a waking, understanding This poem speaks, is speaking, has spoken This poem shall continue even when poets have stopped writing This poem shall survive, you, me It shall linger in history, in your mind, in time, forever This poem is time, only time will tell This poem is still not written This poem has no point This poem is just a part of the story This story, her story, our story The story still untold This poem is now ringing, talking, irritating Making you want to stop it But this poem will not stop This poem is long, cannot be short This poem cannot be tamed, cannot be blamed The story is still not told about this poem This poem is still not written This poem is old, new This poem was copied from the Bible Your prayer book, Playboy magazines, New York Times, Reader's Digest, the CIA files, the KGB files This poem is no secret This poem shall be called boring, stupid, senseless This poem is watching you trying to make sense from this poem This poem is messing up your brains Making you want to stop listening to this poem But you shall not stop listening to this poem This poem is still not stopped This poem is lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift I got, got, got you. Traveler! A lot of people won't get no supper tonight. A lot of people won't get no justice tonight. The battle is getting harder in this Irish Armageddon time. A lot of people running and hiding tonight. Ah! A lot of people won't get no justice tonight. Remember to kick it over. No one will guide you on the glitter. Ooh. Ooh. Ah! Oh. Oh. God hide you from Gideon time. It's time for Gideon. It's not Christmas time anymore for Gideon. A lot of people need money. Okay, okay. Don't push us when we're hot. A lot of people want to get known. It's time for tonight. A lot of people sitting down. By the line. A lot of people want to get known. It's time for tonight. A lot of people want to get known. Just this tonight. Remember. I can't get over. Only one for Gideon. Of course, The Clash, the only band that matters. LA Zone, The Lions. This generation is the name of the tune you're going to hear. They're playing tomorrow night. At Alex's bar. Yes, rise up my youth. Listen right now while the Lions song tell you the truth. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom. Boom... This generation is going back to roots This generation This generation will march in the army boards This generation This generation will use the music to fight This situation Oh, the Amazon system sounds so nice It's gonna be this Oh, inspiration, time to make a change Time to get your education down, take the truth away Unity, love, let me tell you what I say Detroit for you, Detroit for me Keep us going, but the youth is everything for you Count from the split for no 53 Sound is much better on 33 Even nicer is The 12-inch sound The top is heavier than the Bottom round This generation This generation needs herb over liquor This generation This generation grows its Kali thicker This generation Like the doers, not the talkers A huge combination By the lovers or the rockers Lyre song Ooh... Ooh... Ooh... Ooh... Ooh... Ooh... I'm a boy, you change your nature I can feel what I'm feeling I'm trippin' late, take a look, what you see I'm a boy, you're brave I'm so young, I can't look I'm down, I'm in awe I'm a boy, you change your nature Change your nature I'm a boy, you're brave I'm a boy, you're brave Change your nature Change your nature Yeah, the Lions, LA's on the Lions. This generation to name the tune from the This Generation record on the Stones. The Stones throw label. As I mentioned, they're playing tomorrow night, May 8th, at Alex's bar. Go check them out. It's a good live show. Prior to that, we heard The Clash, the only band that matters with Armageddon time. And we start off the set with Muta Baruka and The Observers. Under Tight Wraps meets this poem is the name of that tune. From the Creation Revel, Trojan Records Remix, produced by DJ Spooky. Yeah. Let's lift it lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift That's where it's at, man. Nice big fat prints and like shooting the Polaroid. I mean, light meters. I mean, it was cool as a process just to get one shoot or one shot. I still got a couple of Polaroid pack film cameras. And I think Fuji doesn't make the 3000 anymore, which bums me out. Wow. Because that was a lot of fun. My favorite camera, I have to say, was the Nikon F5. It was so fast and it was just like it was a part of my hand. It was weird. It was just so perfect. So do you have to shoot digital now? I actually just prefer it because it's just so much easier. And it's like the time is, I mean, it's quick. Like you're shooting and as you're shooting, you could actually be sending it to a client in Japan. I mean, it just makes it that much easier compared to like the film. All right, cool. We shot it. Now. Let's see what we got. And then, you know, the process. Yeah. Film is much more fun. Film is fun. Film, you have to know what you're doing. Yeah. But if you got people waiting on you, I guess. Yeah. And like everyone now is like rush, rush, rush. And I think that's why I shoot so fast. Because back then you had 12, 24 and 36 frames per roll. So you better get it because it's like 10, 15 bucks a roll. So you're like. Yeah. Real specific. Real specific. And so you're sort of. How can I explain this? You're not a gangster, right? You don't strike me as a gangster. No, no, no. But you are a child of Los Angeles. Yeah. Just basically that's how we came up. Like pretty much everyone was associated or affiliated. Yeah. Because you had to be. You know, you had no choice. I feel the same way. I mean, it's it can't be a fact because people I know people that grew up and they got no affiliations. They don't know. You know. I don't know how they did that. Because, I mean, that's growing up in L.A. Everyone, you know, what do you say? Everybody in L.A. has got a little little thug in them. Like, how do you not have friends? I mean, you had no choice. You literally had no choice. Either you was going to get beat up every day or like join a gang. Yeah. That was it. But I've been pretty lucky enough to have some friends, you know. Yeah. So, but that works its way out in just style. Street style. You know, what I like to call just street level style. You know, clothing with the artwork, you know, in your eye and, you know, car culture and music and stuff like that. Yeah, definitely. You into cars? Love cars. Yeah. Love them, love them, love them. Yeah, they're so cool. Yeah. I think on your Facebook, on the header. Oh, that is. That car is called the Gypsy Rose. The world famous Gypsy Rose. That car used to get me in trouble when I was five years old because I used to draw it in, draw it in class. Like that exact car because it came on during the credits of Chico and the Man. Yeah. Yeah, that old TV show. And the 64 Impala is the easiest car to draw because it's just lines and like a couple curves in the front and the back. So I draw it sitting in class. My teacher would always just totally take it away because I was just obsessed. Mm-hmm. And I didn't even know the color of the car. I didn't know the color of the car until about, I guess, 1979. And that's when I saw like a color TV. Mm-hmm. I was like, I think it's pink. You know? I hadn't had no idea. And I've met many celebrities all over the world, everything. But the only time I was just really just shocked and like, whoa, was when I met that car. Mm-hmm. It was just like, this is the car. Your star struck over a car. Totally. Yeah. That's cool. Oh, 100%. That's cool. That's cool. Mm-hmm. Yeah. There's an event coming up, LA Story. LA Story. Oh, yeah. And that deals a little bit with low-rider culture, right? Yeah. LA Story is an event. Actually, my friend, Antonio Paleo, he actually created the event. And I'm actually going to curate the show. Yeah. And basically what it is, it'll be the largest low-rider art photography show in LA that's ever been, basically. And you have different car clubs from all around LA. But the thing that's going to make this show different is that it's actually going to be the cars from back in the day. Like, the cars that cruised down Whittier Boulevard, cruised on, like, Slauson in the 70s, you know, like, early 80s. So we're selecting certain cars because I believe it's going to be no more than 16 cars, but the Gypsy Rose is going to be the main car. And it's going to be just really, yeah. That's going to be good. That's going down in July. July 25th. Yeah. Los Angeles in the summertime, man. Can't beat it. And where is that event at? There's a park called Lincoln Park, and it's in, like, East LA. And it's going to be located at Plaza de la Plaza. And it's like a little section of Lincoln Park. It's right by the water. Like, there's a lake. I know, yeah. Yeah, it's really pretty. It's really nice. Super cool, man. They've done a lot of work in that area. They're kind of... Yeah. They've done a lot of work in that area. They've done a lot of work in that area. They kind of... Yeah. Keep it nice, and that's cool. It shows. It shows it's a great place to bring out the family. Oh, dude, it's going to be so bad. You've got to come. Got to come down. I'm out that way all the time, anyway. Going out to eat. Very cool. Yeah. And so let me make sure, because we're going to wrap up pretty soon. I want to cover... Okay, you got the Cycward Skate Shop. Cycward. That's over on Fairfax. 3-3-2 North Fairfax. And if I can walk in there, there's obviously a skateboard, a skateboard equipment. accessories, apparel, stuff like that. Apparel, you know, just come hang. Just come kick it. Come skate in the back. You can skate. Yeah, of course. As long as I finish my homework. Got to finish your homework or at least say you did it. We have the LA Story Lowrider Show. Lowrider Show. That's going on July 25th. They're at Lincoln Park in East LA. Yep. That sounds like a fun day out. Yeah, I'm going to come down with my kid. And we can also look for, man, dude, you're all over the place online, dude. Facebook. Well, you got a distinctive name so that it's easy for people to find you. Yeah, easy, easy. Pep, P-E-P, Pep Williams. You can find me on Facebook, Instagram, and also, what is it, Pep Williams Photography? No, it's pepwilliams.com. Pepwilliams.com. Okay, that's way easy. Yeah. And you can go on there and you can see worldwide celebrities, local LA celebrities, you know, Triggs. Yeah, my brother. Yeah, my brother. Yeah, rest in peace. As far as just general LA culture, man, street life, you know? Yeah. Nothing harsh. Just what we celebrate, you know, when you go up in LA, you know? Exactly. Cool. Thanks so much for coming down. Oh, bro, this is so cool. Yeah. Thank you. You want to hang out and listen to some more music? Oh, man, I'm here to the end. Good, good. All right. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Orgone. You know those fools? Who? Orgone. Orgone comes from the San Fernando Valley, man. They're just, as their name implies, just organic. You know, just pure funk, soul. Like, they're a great live show. I would recommend go see them. That sounds cool. Anyway, they got a new record out, but this is actually an older one off their Cali Fever record out in 2010, out on the Ubiquity Recordings label. The name of the tune is called Overtime. Oh, they're playing June 20th at the Telegram Ballroom. Sounds cool. Yeah, I'm going to go there. I'm going to wear my new blue sharkskin suit. Or a cycle wear t-shirt. One of your many free t-shirts. You can wear 12 shirts. Make you look buff. Yeah. Do you have to do t-shirt changes? Because people expect to see their product ripped. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Oh, man. I've seen people do that. It's the funniest thing. It's so crazy. Oh, you know what I didn't mention? Cross Colors, man. Cross Colors. Yeah. Skate Division. Skate Division. Cross Colors SD. Yeah. And you get involved in the apparel design with that? Actually, yeah. When I met Carl, like, I met Carl years and years and years ago. And he was the original owner of Cross Colors. And then he purchased the brand back. And he wanted to do the SD section. Yeah. And, um, oh, yeah. And, um, so he just basically said, Pep, let's hook up. Let's get this brand going. So I said, cool, let's do it. So by doing it, um, we, we, um, created the SD division. And then we were coming up with the logos. I got my friends to help me out with the logos. And we were designing it. And it's all ready to go, man. Cross Colors SD division. I'm going to check that out. Thanks, man. Thank you, bro. Cool. Cool. Cool. I got nothing left for you. Pockets are empty. Got nothing left to show. Nine to six and six to nine. Day is over and I'm feeling about half alive. Scraped and saved, I feel some pain. Nobody in the way, but I'm still making my way. Tired of being so desirous. Tired of feeling like this. Nowhere left to go. No, no, no. Nowhere left to go. Pockets are empty. Over time. Feet is aching and my car's all broke down. Walking from my way, direction's unknown. And I, I got a feeling that I may never make it home. I'm so out. I'm so out. Having lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift lift I've got so big that I'm gonna take it Take it, take it, take it all Take it, take it, take it all Oh yeah, it's Rock Creek Park Rock Creek Park Doing it in the park Doing it at the dock Oh yeah, it's Rock Creek Park Oh yeah, it's Rock Creek Park Do it, do it, do it, do it Come on, do it Do it, do it, do it Come on, do it, do it, do it Doing it in the park Yeah Oh yeah, it's Rock Creek Park Oh yeah, that's what we are Doing it in the park Doing it after dark Oh yeah, that's what we are Oh yeah, that's what we are Doing it in the park Doing it after dark Oh yeah, that's what we are Oh yeah, that's what we are Doing it in the park Doing it after dark Oh yeah, that's what we are Oh yeah, that's what we are Doing it in the park Doing it in the park Doing it after dark Oh yeah, that's what we are Oh yeah, that's what we are Do it Do it Do it Do it Do it Do it Do it Do it Do it Do it Do it Do it Do it Do it Do it Do it Do it Do it Do it Do it Do it Do it Do it Do it Do it Do it Doin' it in the park, doin' it at the dock, oh yeah At the park, oh yeah Doin' it in the park, doin' it at the dock, oh yeah At the park, oh yeah Doin' it in the park, doin' it at the dock, oh yeah At the park, oh yeah Doin' it in the park, doin' it at the dock, oh yeah At the park, oh yeah Doin' it in the park, doin' it at the dock, oh yeah The Blackbirds from the 1975 City Life LP. Little Jazz Frunk from Washington, D.C. Next up, an overlooked tune, Amnesty, Trouble Will Remain. From Indianapolis. 1973. Enjoy, loved ones. It don't make no difference What you say about it No, no Things can't stay the same No, no It don't make no difference What you do about it I'll tell you why not Oh, oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh oh You know trouble has its way. There's no way to hide. Trouble has its way. It don't make no difference what you say about it. No, no, things can't stay the same. And it don't make no difference what you do about it. I'll tell you why now. Trouble will remain. Trouble will remain. Trouble will remain. Trouble will remain.