All right, so now we're live. Okay, hold on. Okay, so before we play it, you want to try to... So it's... Okay, yeah. But what I want to do is I want to see, like, if you can hear me talking. Okay, yeah, let me go to the screen. All right, here. If anybody's listening right now, call in 1-800-893-9562. We're going to start the show. We have Adam Papagin in studio. We have Cholo Carwash in studio. And we have a member of Sketch Monster in studio. So if you guys want to call in, 800-893-9562. We're just testing some stuff out right now. We're actually getting pretty good at starting on time, so... Yeah. Let's see. Yeah, this shit is really slow. Okay, we will be starting the show momentarily. We'll be starting in about a minute. All right, yeah, it's working. Yeah, it's working. All right, so now we tested it out. It's working. We're going to start the show momentarily. We will be right back with Adam Papagin. More Music Radio Pod. We're starting on time. All right, let's do it. I'm telling you something right now. I'm upset and aggravated. Did y'all hear my grandson? He's been in his room for two days. I'm upset! Raving and ranting. Because he's... Because his account has been hacked. Do you hear him? This is not right. And I'm calling the internet police. Or somebody. The police department. Quit it! See what he's doing? And I'm sick of listening to this. What have y'all done to my grandson? I want you to go away! Shut up! Y'all are driving me crazy. This internet stuff is driving me crazy. Listen. Listen to my grandson cry. Y'all need to give his account back. And y'all need to quit trolling my grandson. Quit trolling him, I tell you. Quit it! We'll do it live. Broadcasting from downtown Los Angeles. We'll do it live! Fuck it! It's the More Music Radio Pod. Do it live! I'll write it and we'll do it live! On skidrow.com. I'll write it and we'll do it live! We'll do it live! We'll do it live! LA! Fucking thing sucks! In five, four, three... Hey, what's going on everybody? It's the More Music Radio Pod on skidrow.com. We're over here at skidrow studios and we're having another party up here at skidrow penthouse. Alright. This is... I think it's going to be one of our last... Second to last party over here at skidrow studios. The location that we're at right now. Skidrow is moving down the street. We are blowing up. We are having an actual studio built right now. And... We're just going to fucking explode. What do you think about that guys? Let's do it. Alright. All thanks to Jeremy and Joel from Skidrow and everybody else doing shows here. Tonight I'm actually running the board, man. This is the first time that I'm running the board. It's kind of weird because I'm used to sitting over there with you guys. You know? And... It's kind of weird because I want to be closer to you guys. You know? You can say stuff. You can say stuff. We have... Let me let you know who we have in studio. We have Cholo Carwash is here tonight. Alright. Cholo Carwash. Yeah. Hello. And we have Sonia from Sketch Monster here tonight. And she's actually here to back me up because she knows how to run the board. She actually ran the piñata hour the last time. Last couple times, right? Yeah. About three or four times now. Alright. So if I fuck up, you know, please help me out. You know? But so far so good. And tonight is a very special night because we have Adam Papigan in studio. Alright. Good to be here. Thank you. Thank you very much. Yeah, man. Adam's here to talk about his public access talk show, the Dell Talk Show. Yeah. That's right. So, yeah, man. So why don't we just get it started. And, you know, play a couple songs and then we'll be back and we'll talk to Adam Papigan on the More Music Radio Pod. Is it going? Uh-oh. Already fucking up. Please stay tuned. This is not part of the program. I got to go. Oh, okay. Hold on. . Whoops. The More Music Radio Pod. . . . . . . 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We'll be right back. actually make the show is not that hard you know you get the right ingredients and pretty much anybody can do it but the access to the television channels is what's limited there's gatekeepers you know there's only so many networks so many cable channels you know you have to give representation all the stuff so it's hard you gotta jump a couple hurdles to get to get through it so how do you shows get canceled you're not the master of your destiny how do you get your own uh talk show then walk us through that like i mean we've always like um myself and uh patrick of the mormons and uh jimmy of the mormons wanted to uh always wanted to have our own tv show and uh where i used to live in hacienda heights there was a public access one there yeah yeah right there at uh wilson high school and um yeah so uh but like i was always intimidated to go over there so how did you get a talk show is there something going on back there is someone trying to get in yeah who is that who is that well over here at skid row studios up in the penthouse uh there's a patio area and we're kind of just airing it out right now uh so there's somebody at the gate right now who is that oh okay dan of the mormons is coming in right now so sorry for the uh distraction it's okay it's a real moment right right you know and that's what's great about public access is it's real right you know it's it's happening in the moment right um to answer your question um well i'll talk a little about the history of public access because yeah a lot of people don't know really what it is or why they have it but basically uh in the 19th six like six years ago i was in the public access department and i was in the public starting in the 60s um right and then as um as cable television was getting more popular um people started to say because you know how the airwaves you know 246 like the broadcast networks right are owned by the people and that's why we have the fcc to control it oh because this is this is the you know public air um i thought the fcc uh told you uh morality what was uh appropriate to listen to they do but the reason they do that and they feel that they have the right is because the airwaves are not the right way to do it they're not the right way to do it they're not the right way to do it they're not the right way to do it they're not the right way to do it the airwaves belong to the people because this is everyone's air and so basically when cable would start to come in and people would would start getting their television only through cable they thought that the um these few media companies would control all the information and there would no longer be a voice for the community or for free speech or anything like that so congress passed a law saying that every cable franchise in exchange for being able to come and have a monopoly in an area okay do cable had to provide a channel and facilities for the community oh okay right so over the years it sort of devolved into what you probably would think of on public access which is religious programming right um weird people um yeah people so far i think you're talking about the uh junior christian bible science lesson that's a show that has a little bit everything yeah one of me and my friends used to watch that all i mean great we were watching a century cable public access and we would we would like to call into different shows and um we actually have some recordings of us uh calling into those shows it's just they're locked away somewhere we'll play them just like we found those crank calls that we have and by the way i'll replay the crank call that we didn't hear because of when i fucked up earlier it's my first night working the board please you're doing a great job by the way hey i'm doing my best man thank you i'm gonna clap for myself to make it sound like there's more people it's just as a side note if you have old videos of public access right please let me know i'll digitize them and i'll send you a link to the link to the link to the follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow follow There's not much public access left. Yeah. So any piece of public access history. Oh, okay. Yeah, you're really into public access. I am. So what got you interested in it? Well, do you know Francine Dancer? She would be great for this show. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Red was, Cholo Carwash was telling me about, you played me a couple of things on YouTube, right? Yeah, she used to always show up with whenever Punk Bunny would play. She was like, you know, she's a character. And she would dance around, and her name was Francine. In a bikini, but she's overweight, and she's in a wheelchair. Okay. Now she's in a wheelchair, but she wasn't at the time. Oh, really? That's sad. Yeah. So Francine Dancer. That is a legendary public access show in L.A., and that was really like the first show I remember watching and really liking. I'm talking when I was a really young kid. And then when I was in high school, I was watching the local public access channel, and I saw Let's Paint TV, which is for you guys at home. If you've ever seen on the Internet a guy walking on a treadmill and painting, that guy is Mr. Let's Paint. John, you know who I'm talking about. Yeah, that's awesome. John Kilduff, yeah. Yeah, I've seen that guy. So I saw his show, and at the show he was like, hey, if you want to be a guest on Let's Paint TV, give me a call. I had his phone number, so I called him. And he was like, yeah, sure, come be a guest. So I went, and I was just a guest on his show, and I really liked it. And I like, you know, he got to be on TV. And so he was just. . . Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you know, it's just like two classes, and they'll give you a show on public access. Anybody can do it. Uh-huh. So I was like, oh, okay. So I did the orientations, and my parents, since I was under 18, my parents had to sign for me and, like, take responsibility. And what did your parents think about it? Were they against it? They were very supportive. Oh, okay, that's good. Yeah. That's good. And if, I mean, really, since you're underage, if they didn't support it, you wouldn't be able to do it, right? Yeah, exactly. So luckily. . . I'd have to find another adult. All right. Yeah, man. Yeah. That's some good. . . Good parenting. Yeah, some good parenting, man. Just be supportive of your children. Yeah. And maybe. . . Did you give them an ultimatum? Like, it's this or heroin, guys. No, because they. . . Come on. We would all watch public access together as a family. It was a funny. . . Because with public access, it's like. . . You can't get canceled. So anybody can just do whatever they want in an environment with TV where everyone's like, no, you can't do this. No, there's censors. No, no, no, your show's canceled. No. This is like, you can just do whatever you want. Do anything. You don't have to have any talent. And are there any rules? I mean, can you cuss? I mean, what are the. . . There are. . . You can't say the seven dirty words or something? You can. Okay. That's cool. On live shows, they didn't have. . . Because it's cable, like HBO. Right. So technically, you can do whatever you want. Okay. But on the live shows, they would just be like, well, it's going out live, so we can't edit it. And then on. . . Like, during the normal daylight, there are safe harbor hours, so you couldn't say the F word. If you said the F word or anything like that, it would go on after 10 p.m. But from 10 to midnight, it was like. . . Like, Karen Centerfold's show had tons of nudity in it and the Pamela Peaks. . . Yeah, Karen Centerfold's Raw Talent Hour. Yeah. Which the Mormons got to play, and that's how we met Karen. I was over at the subway the other day. I ran into Colin from Colin's Sleazy Friends. Really? Yeah. Did you ever have any contact information? No, no. I just. . . I would like it to be a good booking for my show. I just said hello. Mm-hmm. And, you know. . . Now, who is this guy you guys are talking about? In my creepy voice. In my creepy voice right here. Yeah. Colin's Sleazy Friends. I just got here, guys. I'm loosening up. Yeah, Dan's loosening up right now. I'll be ready in my slime. Welcome, Dan. Everybody welcome Dan. All right. It's going to feel like a show. Dan made it. All right. I did it. Yeah. Good job. My fists are tired from knocking out hipsters. Yeah, on the way up. I really hate fucking coming down here when it's Art Walk, man. And it's Art Walk again. And you know what? It's Art Walk. I don't see any fucking art. Do you guys see any art down there? You guys were down there. You guys had to fight your way up here. Do you see any art over there? I went into one gallery because I was a little bit early. And they had some pretty cool monster paintings that were like the Bride of Frankenstein. Yeah. And they were like $3,000 or something. I didn't look at the price, but they were like photorealistic paintings. Like oil paintings or I don't know. But like a renaissance type of painting. Like they're good. I like paintings like that that look like a picture. So I thought those were pretty cool. I saw this pretty cool sculpture. But then like this. This bum started pushing it down the street. I'm like, oh, wait. That's just your house. Sorry. You should sell that. Yeah. Awesome. Yeah, man. So anyway, it's Art Walk. And Dan had to fight his way up here. We all did. But we're here. And so yeah, man. So there are many steps that you have to take to get a public access show. So you went to the orientation. You went to that hurdle. And then one studio class. And then that was it. And they would give you. How long was the class? Like an hour or something? Three. Three hours in the morning. And you would do it with other public access producers or aspiring producers. And what did you learn in that class? At that time on that cable system, they would provide a director and a crew for you. So they were really doing most of the technical stuff. So it was more like you can't do this. These are the set pieces we have. You know, stuff like that. Nowadays, you have to provide your own crew. So the classes are pretty helpful. And they just. You know. They teach you about lighting and how to run camera and how to use one of these switchers. And, you know, just like how to make TV. It's kind of like that. It's kind of like Wayne's World, right? When they get their own studio. Yeah. Right. Pretty sweet. Cool. That's awesome. Yeah. Oh, this is like roundabout. Back to. Anyway, Vince asked who Colin was. Colin. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Colin Sleazy Friends was a like midnight cable access show. It was basically just short. Porn. He was like interview porn stars. Yeah. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. Because you couldn't. You couldn't have nudity inside the studio because it was a place of business. OK. But you if you got the nudity some other place, then you could, you know, they'd have no problem showing. Oh, OK. So if you get a stock footage or something. Yeah. You get an old. Yeah. You get one of those old timey pornos. You know what I mean? When it's all black and white. And so that's what it's played in the in the projector that you had to crank and stuff. Yeah. And guys would get together and they'd crank the thing. Taka, taka, taka, taka. And the lady has a big giant bush, you know. Absolutely. Gross porn. So, yeah, you could you could play that on there. So it's it's kind of like it's kind of like here where there are no real restrictions. You know, are there any limitations? I mean, other than nudity in the studio. Are there certain things you can't talk about? No, no. They're not allowed to restrict content. Oh, that's great. Yeah. Awesome. And it's on TV. Cool. You know, the Internet. Anybody can get on the Internet. No offense. But, you know, like it's. It's. You know, it's free. We had to buy computers. Well, exactly. But like. Yeah. But the broadcast medium was there. Yeah. OK. There's only a finite number of TV stations. Yeah. You know. So think. But things are kind of changing right now, though. Right. I mean, what are the changes that you're seeing? Going back to earlier, you were talking about their public access is disappearing. Right. Right. Well, in 2008, basically, the cable company said to the city of Los Angeles and the city council, you know, you got satellite companies providing TV and they don't have public access. Now you have phone companies like Verizon coming in and providing TV. They don't have public access. We'll work with you on a city channel, but we don't want to provide these. This costs us money. Like there's just garbage like nobody likes this. So, you know, the city council voted and they're a bunch of fat cats. Right. So by the public access, all the studios in Los Angeles closed. And the city of Los Angeles, so anything operated by Comcast or a Delphi, Time Warner, I think it was finally Time Warner. Stuff like that was gone. However, being that we're in Southern California and it's made up of a lot of different, you know, communities, a few places like Monrovia, which is where we do our show, Torrance, which is where we're filming our second season, Ventura, Santa Barbara, a few of these smaller, kind of more affluent cities have different. City councils. And they were like, no, we got to keep public access. Wow. And so the city or the government provides the money for it. So there are some more restrictions and stuff, but it's basically only for members of that community. Oh, okay. So like to go in Monrovia, we had to find a Monrovia residence to sponsor us and things like that. Ah, you know, it looks like we have a caller and caller, you are on the air with Adam Papigan on the MoreMusic.com. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. On the On The More Music radio pod, what's up? Adam, I miss you so much. I miss you, too, Karen. How are you? All right, if you guys don't recognize that voice, it is the voice of Karen Centerfold, all right? Yay, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, Oh, my God. Wow. Oh, my God. It's such an incredible film. What show are you listening to right now? I want to listen to that. Hey, what's going on, Karen? Yeah, Adam is a sexy man. Adam is a sexy young man. He is totally. He is totally. I'm getting ready to perform with Juan tomorrow on my own show tomorrow. Hey, Juan's a weird guy, right? I mean, in the best sense of the word. No, he's incredible. He's 19 years old, and he knows how to nasty. 19 years old, and Juan knows how to nasty. Are you talking about Juan Cusco? Mm-hmm. All right. I'm talking about Juan Bautista. Bautista. Oh, Bautista. Yeah. That's who. So maybe I'm going to be there next week with Pussy Cow, right? Yeah, maybe, man. You know, Karen, you're such a big star that when you come into the studio. Your phone sounds great. You kind of overshadow people, you know? So I'm going to talk to Pussy Cow. I mean, they're friends of yours, right? You said you know those guys, right? Oh, I'm not. Well, I'm acquainted with them. You know, like, they played Pairspace. That was a good one. They played Beauty is Pain, and that was pretty good, you know? And what did you do at those shows? Is there anything crazy that you did? I emceed them, and probably threw glitter and used my electronics. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Probably. Did you... Did you flop your chi-chis out? Did you flop your chi-chis out? No. I'm going to do that. I'm going to do something like that before Adam... before Adam starts having the show I'm doing with Juan tomorrow filmed. Wow. Wait, before? I mean, where do you go from there? It's going to be a really good thing, you know? And... So what else is going on, James? Nothing. We're just talking to Adam Papp again. He's telling us about his cable access show and what he had to do to get it and kind of like running us through the landscape of cable access and what it looks like now and, you know, how it started. You know, you did the Raw Talent Hour. The Raw Talent Rock and Roll Live Hour, yeah. So what do you got to say about public access TV? I did the Raw Talent Rock and Roll Live Hour, you know, in two segments. I did it, you know, on access television, and I also did it on commercial TV, like with a guy named Tony Maroney. He did rock TV, and he put me on. I know his brother, Boney Maroney. And he makes a great pizza. He put me on a 30-minute show also, which we sold. And all these different albums that different artists came out with and famous artists came out with it. And that was a really good thing for a while. And then the government screwed it all up, and so I only do three shows a year. And once again, Tony gives me a deal. He gives me 30 minutes on a show where I get to sell records with him in between the breaks. So what do you got planned for tomorrow? So what's the situation, Adam? Are you producing her show? We're going to do I'm in Cool Skull. What's happening is I'm in Cool Skull with Juan, and Juan and I are going to be photographed. You're in the Mormons, and you're in all these bands too. Manhattan Murder Mystery? I do. I wanted to do. I'm not in Manhattan Murder Mystery anymore because it was too much for Matt Teardrop, but I wanted to. Oh, okay. That's sad. I want to do a solo act. I want to do a solo act with Matt like we did Smoky Mountain on Skid Row. And by the way, hello, Jeremy. How are you doing? Well, it's doing all right. It's good to hear your voice. No problem. Hopefully I'll see you next week. Maybe you could come down and whip out your tits or something next time. Oh, I sure will. I sure will. And so I'm going to do a show with Juan. Wow. And then I'm going to have a discussion about the federal building being, occupied by people that are angry about the greedy bankers. Did you go down to Occupy LA? Occupy Wall Street is what it is. No, but there's one here in LA too. Did you go and check it out? Oh, yeah. It's at the federal building. I've been down there. I was on the CBS News about that. I'm going to be talking about that, S&M and religion. And then Juan and me are going to do one more segment. All the stuff that matters. One more song. And then we're going to talk to Gabby and Dylan. And Dylan are going to close the show with one song. So I'm really looking forward to it. And Adam's awesome. Yeah. And so what else is going on, Vince? Nothing. You know, we're just having a radio show. And we're really glad that you called in because we miss you up here. I've got some film footage of me doing an S&M act, really intimately beautiful on film. And I also have a film of me where Don Bowles is staging. I was wondering about it. Yeah. The White Rabbit song by the Jefferson Airplane. That's a creepy little song. How's Da Benny from Tleilax? Tleilax Music Machine. I do an act with Da Benny. And I just saw him two weeks ago at a house party up in Echo Park. And he's doing good. That's cool. So Don Bowles is cool. He lives with Jamie Valentine. And I'd like to also have him come on Skid Row Radio, courtesy of Jamie, courtesy of Jeremy. Yeah. Yeah. No problem. And also, Adam, for your simplicity, I also have a film. I will bring you the film of me on the Answer Coalition truck where you can see, like, it looks like a million people as the truck is moving. And I'm waving at them. And I'm shouting, troops, home now. We're spending way too much money on the war in Afghanistan. This sounds great. I love it. This is going to be a great show. I love all of it. Thanks for leaking it on the More Music. Radio podcast. We really appreciate it. So take care of your dicks. Make them clean. Thank you. And I love you so. And look forward to seeing the full documentary on me when Sean Carnage edits it. Oh, yeah. And when it is presented in a theater. Okay? Okie dokie, Karen. Thank you for calling into the more. I love you. I'll see you tomorrow morning. Love you, too. All right. Good night. Bye-bye. Later, Karen. Hey, you know what? It looks like we have another call. Coming in to the More Music Radio pod. Oh, man. Did I miss Karen? Yeah, you missed Karen, man. She just hung up. Is this Jeremy? Oh, that sucks. I was hoping to say hi to Karen. Oh, well, you did. Kind of. I played you when she was talking to you. Oh, okay. Okay. That's good. I did my best. I did my best Jeremy impression. How's the show going? It's going all right, man. We have Adam in here. I'm running the board. Other than the first fuck up, you know, it's going all right. I miss. Good job, man. It sounded good to me. Yeah, you know, I miss going into the bumper with that crank call, which I'm actually going to try to play before we go to the next couple songs, which we'll probably do right now. So what's going on, man? You on your way back to Skid Row or what? Yeah, man. Well, I'm smack dab in the middle of Skid Row at the moment, standing right outside the Midnight Mission. But it's kind of weird being on the other side of this, man. I'm like a user, you know? Right. Thank you for calling in. Thank you for calling in to Skid Row Studios, man. Yeah, yeah. It's funny being on the other side. What's it like being at the desk there, man? It's all right. You know, it's pretty good, you know. It feels a lot better than the last time I was sitting at this board, I tell you that much. Yeah? But yeah, man. So you're on your way back. So you should be here before the show's over, right? Yeah. I'll be back and I'll come in and say hi and check in with you guys. Cool, man. All right, dude. Well, yeah, keep listening. Let me know, man, how it sounds. And we'll see you in a little bit, man, when you come back up here. All right, man. You're doing a good job. Thanks, man. Hey, thanks, dude. Bye, Jeremy. Thank you for calling the More Music Radio Pod. All right, later. All right, bye. All right, man. That was Jeremy, man. Big Chain, the Podfather. He has many names. The Podfather. Yeah, I call him Jeremy. I call him Geranium. I call him often at night, you know, with my problems. So anyway, you know, when we get back, we're going to play some stuff. But when we get back, I want you to tell me a little bit more about your talk show. Oh, absolutely. And the guests that you've had on. I mean, you've had like teachers on and stuff, right? Yeah, in the old days. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw a couple of them when you had your English teacher. You had your science teacher or math teacher? Okay, I had two of my English teachers. We had Mr. Johnson, who was my 10th grade English teacher, was a very strange guy. Not even that strange. It's just like your teacher, you know. So it's funny when you're 15. And so that show was so popular, we had another episode where we had two other teachers. I had another one of my English teachers and my Spanish teacher. Ah. One of your teachers, a lady one, looked kind of like a young Karen Centerfold a little bit. Yeah, she did. And she was dancing. Yeah, Miss Ferrer was dancing. She was a good sport. Yeah, I got my Spanish teacher to salsa dance. You were eating chips and salsa, too. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah, and we thought that she looked like a Cabbage Patch doll. That's pretty awesome. And there was one point in the show when I held up a picture of a Cabbage Patch doll. I was like, hey, what do you think about this? And, like, it looked just like her. That was funny. Hey, you want to hear something funny real quick before we go to the break? Yeah. This is the crank call. I like playing these crank calls. I mean, we were kind of dicks when we were kids, but we were just having fun. We were bored, you know. And it's better than going and busting windows and shit and starting fires, which we also did. But, you know. Yeah. We didn't do nearly as much damage as we would have if we didn't have this to do in our free time. But, anyway, here's this crank call that I fucked up on earlier. Here it goes. Hello? Hello, Peter Wang? Who now? Yeah. Peter Wang? Yeah. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck me, your mother. Fuck me, your father. Fuck you. Fuck me, your mother. Fuck you. All right. Yeah. I'm glad I got to get that in, man. Yeah. So, anyway. We're going to take a quick break, and we will be... I'm kind of vamping right now. I got to get on the right screen. We will be right back on the More Music Radio Pod with Adam Papigan. All right. You don't know that. Hold up. Wait a minute. Yeah. Hold. You got the right bitch. Hold up. Hold the fuck up. Hold. You got the right bitch. The More Music Radio Pod. The More Music Radio Pod. Broadcasting international downtown Los Angeles. On Skid Row Doc. On Skid Row Doc. On Skid Row Doc. It's wedding day, that baby's hand. A date at school, the Disneyland. At the zoo, a baseball game. Who they are, it's all the same. I transfer. I transfer. I transfer. Grandpa, grandma, mother, father, sister, brother. In a year, they might not be here. But all ten hours, a family story. Just like the one before, it's boring. I transfer. I transfer. I transfer. I transfer. I transfer. I transfer. The devil's there. The devil's there. 13th Church of Christ scientists, they want segregation. They don't want to see blacks in their church. They have Mrs. Wells as a token to say they're not racist. They say all black people have a behavior problem, but it's really them. Again and again. 13th Church of Christ scientists, the devils in the church, on the board of directors. They live in hell and hate you forever. The devils at 13th Church of Christ scientists at 11776 North Vermont. They have no tolerance for Latinos. They have no tolerance for blacks. They're racist. The devils at 13th Church of Christ scientists at Hollywood. They're racist. They're racist. 13th Church of Christ scientists, Kevin, the devil, the first reader of the church. At La Brea in Hollywood, he kicked Angelina out for wanting to buy an Hispanic Bible. That wasn't right. He got away with it because he's white. The devils at 13th Church of Christ scientists. No love of God's in their heart. They listen. There's an evil in their heart. They're the mortal mind. They're the carnal mind. They're the devil's mind. They have no tolerance for people of color. The devils at 13th Church of Christ scientists. They kicked me out because I was black. Because they have love and lack. They've been brainwashed. They've been pushed. Viral hatred. They have as well as a token there. They move their prayers onto the devil, not to God. They listen to animal magnetism, not to God. Hi, this is David Lieberhardt. And this is Adam Papagan. You're listening to The More Music. Radio. Pod. On Skid Row. Dot. Away. All right. Welcome back to The More Music. Radio. Pod. It's really loud in these headphones. We are here with Adam Papagan. And we're talking about your talk show, man. The Dell Talk Show. The Dell Talk Show. Yeah. Which premieres this Tuesday. October 18th on the internet. Awesome. Yeah. Which is the Dell Talk Show. Yeah. Now you want the internet's help. Okay. Well, because the fact of the matter is, the fact of the matter is, is people don't watch TV like they used to. Especially young people. Everyone watches TV on the internet these days. Which I guess is more practical. But, you know, I'm an old-fashioned kind of guy. Yeah. In pretty much everything. So, I like. You sound like an old grandpa. Thank you. I'm an old-fashioned kind of guy. I'd rather just go and watch it on my tube. I had to switch the sides of the table because he was shaking his stick. Like in my face. I go, look at your kids and your rock music and your. Get on my phone! But, yeah. So, things are changing. So, what do you think about that, man? What are your feelings on it? Is it good? Is it bad? I mean, other than you're, I mean, losing a lot of public access stations. What is the future? What do you foresee? The fact of the matter is, a lot of public access shows aren't that good. And they have a lot of dead space in them. Right. Because they're not made by professionals. Like, they're lacking like that little. They're almost there. But, you know, there are some really good public access shows. But, like, they're kind of best experienced, like, just stumbling upon them. Because they're on TV and, like, you don't know. So, because they ended public access in Los Angeles, you know, I took two years off. And, you know, I was doing the band with David, which I'm still doing. But, you know, I didn't do public access. But, you know, around December of last year, I kind of, like, got an itch. And I was wishing to do it again. So, you know, I started putting the show together again. But I wanted to do it more because it was more difficult this time, more professionally. And put more, a lot of time into it. And, like, really nail things and do a really good job. And so, had public access not ended in 2008, I would probably still be doing a show that was not as good as it could be. Right. Because I took it, I would take it for granted. Right. And then with the internet, you know, you can. Promote it to a lot of people. Right. And, you know, you may actually get people to like it. Do you think you could do the same thing, like the same kind of show on the internet with the same kind of quality? Or what's the difference? The key is the studio space. Because it adds a level of professionalism where it's a step below something you would do yourself. Because the cameras are all broadcast quality cameras. Standard def, but broadcast quality. Right. You have lights on a grid, which is. Like, nobody knows anything about lighting. Okay. You know, if you're trying to do something yourself, like, you can try and, like, you need to get. It just doesn't work. But you have the professional lights, which makes a difference. You have a set. You have. You have a switcher where you could do it. You have all the tools you need. So it's a step above something you would do yourself. But it's a step below something that would actually be on TV because it's public access. Right. So it's the, that magic ingredient is the public access studio and the environment that it creates. But. But, like, with the way people are watching TV now, like, a lot of people don't watch regular TV. A lot of people watch, like you said, they'll watch stuff like video pods and stuff, you know. So with that trend, I mean, are you thinking about maybe kind of maybe focusing on that area? We are making or have made, I should say now, a TV show, a television show like that in that style for the Internet. So, you know, the old show was a half hour. The new show is 15. 15 minutes. We still shoot for a half hour straight, but it's the best 15 minutes. Okay. You know, it's shorter for shorter attention spans. But it's still a television show. You know, and everything that that would signify and mean. Have you ever done a live public access broadcast? Oh, yeah, we did many live shows. And, you know, it was just hecklers and. Right. And that was in sort of like. Did you have a call-in number and stuff? Yeah, the call-in number would be at the bottom of the screen. So what kind of calls would you get when you're doing a live show? Hey. Hey, fuck you. Fuck you. Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew. It was just all racial. Yeah. It was a lot of really like awful things. So you were doing these shows like 12 years ago when Vince was calling you? Yeah, pretty much. And it's me like, hey, fuck you. Hey, fuck you. Yeah. That was all of them. And it was. Hey, you look weird, eh? Every week, it would be the same people who would call in. Like I've. I went back. And watched some of the old tapes of the call-in shows. And it would be the same couple. You would recognize people's voices. Like this is Bob from Santa Monica. How would you react to that? My take on it would be that I would get really upset and really engage them. Yeah. And get them to start swearing back and forth. And it would be really spirited. Like that was a good way to have fun with it. Yeah, I might as well. I want nothing. Well, cool, man. Cool, man. So tell us a little bit about your. I saw some of your shows, a couple of your shows on YouTube. And it looks like. The old days. Right. Those are the old days. So you would have like. You'd be the host. You're the host. And what was your name, too? You had a different name, right? Yeah. Well, I. Am I like giving something away right now? I should say right now. I am actually not the host of the Del Talk show. Alex Meller is the host of the Del Talk show. Oh, that guy. Right. OK. Yeah. All right. Cool. I'm glad we didn't like, you know. Yeah. Break down like a fourth wall or anything like that. Yeah. Yeah. But it's. It's. Yeah. That's the host. OK. Yeah. How is that guy? What do you think about that guy? Great guy. Yeah. Very talented. How'd you meet him? You know, through. I don't want to do this. He's not. It's a character I play. I'll just say that. I don't want to. No, because I don't want to go in like. Because the thing is with the show is we always keep it real. Right. Like there are certain elements that we script and we throw in there. I can tell you what they are. But. And then there are certain things that just happen because it's. It's live TV. It's spontaneous. But. We. We. We. It's a mixture of real and fake. It's a. It's a gray area we like to explore. But. Yeah. No. So I have an alias. It's Alex Miller. Oh, OK. And it's just like a character, you know, allows me to go a little bit further and kind of. Right. It's kind of like. It's kind of like Gary Shandling with Larry Sanders and stuff. Which was a big. As we were putting together this new version of the show was a very big influence. We were all watching like the whole series all the way through. Oh, yeah. Me too, man. I watched that when it when it came on Netflix, man. I just. I sat and watched like maybe five episodes a day, man. It was so good. And. I love that show. Repeat watchability, too. It is the perfect show. It's the perfect show. And like it didn't jump the shark either, man. It was like perfect. It was hilarious. It had great writing. Gary Shandling was awesome. Yeah. That guy is so fun. The all time favorite character, Hank. Hank. You know. Fucking hey now. We have a Hank on our show. The old version didn't have that. But now we have a. I have a sidekick. This Dirk. What does he say? You want to know his catchphrase? Yeah. He has one. It's. Yeah. Oh, all right. That's his catchphrase. That's a good one. All right. Yeah. Yeah. I like that one. Dirk. We. I can't say enough good things about Dirk. We met him at the Monrovia Public Access Studio. He's like. He's just like an older guy. And he's kind of weird. And like. Kind of like. He's like a dirty old man a little bit. Right. But he's totally down for whatever. And he was literally born to be a sidekick. Like he was born to grow up to be 50 years old. And meet me at the Public Access. So he's. He's destined. He's never did anything like this before. He's done other Public Access shows. But he's never done anything professional. Okay. He's great. Like all the comic relief is all. He's. He's so Hank. Dirk. Dirk. Yeah. I don't even know his last name. Yeah. What is it? Yeah. All right. Okay. Yeah. And like he always says. Hey Dan. You got to come up with one man. For the More Music Radio pod. What do you think? Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. Shut up. That one hurts my feelings. Little Richard's catchphrase is shut up. You need a new one. Oh yeah. Shut up. Yeah. Shut up. Yeah. Little Richard's great. No she didn't. There you go. That's a good one. We'll work on it. We'll work on it. We'll each kind of try to come up with one and stuff. So cool man. So you got a. You got a sidekick. We had some great guests this season. Who'd you have? Some people who your listeners would probably know about. Who've been on this show. So one. Cool Skull. The Rosabelle. Right. One of the masters of chip thrash music. Yeah. We had James Qual come on. Right. Yeah. Yeah. We love James man. Love James. Hate Susan. Well you know I don't. She's drunk all the time. She's hateable. She sucks. Yeah but. She really does suck. But it's so interesting though. James loves her and you know God bless him. So we had him on right. Did you listen to that episode? Yeah. Not all of it. We had him on and like when we got here I'm like okay. She wanted to leave immediately? Yeah. She wanted. She was like. She looked at James. And she's like James I want to go home. Yeah. James I want to go home. Oh well Susan. And I'm like hey Susan you want some vodka? Because she was saying like oh I like vodka. And you kind of clued me into that. So I'm like okay get some vodka. So you know whatever. She's an adult you know. But then I'm thinking like I'm giving somebody with like a diminished mental capacity alcohol. And I was thinking like well maybe it's just kind of like if you want to like drug up an animal or something you know. So I'm like okay. I felt like you know I need her to calm down. Yeah. Because I need to talk to James. I need him to be here. And like she wants to go home. But it was just so it was so great to hear like her getting upset. And you know we went through the show. James was great. Afterwards though I recorded her on my phone. And I actually recorded the drive because I had to drive him home. And like we got a lot of good clips man. And you know. I want to hear that. I'm going to listen to that show. You got to check it out man. Check out the James Qual episode of The More Music Radio. Hey what's going on Jeremy? You're in man. Jew Jew Jew Jew Jew. For those playing along at home. Jeremy is wearing an Angry Birds t-shirt. Right. Yes. It's the black. It's the black angry bird. Are you good at that game? No I never play this game. Really? You just got the shirt. He wears it really well. It's a good. It works. It totally does. You have each bird too right? I have a red one too. Yeah. Oh okay. Yeah. I've played the game like five times. What did the red one do? He was just like. You pull him back. The yellow one you touch the screen again and he goes. I hear the red one's worthless. I've never really played actually. You got to check it out man. So yeah man. How did it sound man? Sounds great man. I was walking through the roughest part of Skid Row and I'm just walking down the street with my phone in my head hoping that someone wasn't going to rob me. You mean the roughest part of Skid Row? You mean where all the hipsters are fucking clotting the sidewalk? Where the hipsters won't even go actually. Wall Street. Yeah. Wall Street, San Julian, San Pedro and whatnot. It's funny how the Wall Street in New York has some of the richest people in the country and the Wall Street in Los Angeles is filled with crackheads. Yeah. So I guess they're not too dissimilar after all. Welcome. Welcome. All people are welcome. So yeah man. So. So what other guests have you had? Okay. You have your sidekick Dirk right? Dirk. Okay. And so what are some of your guests that you're going to have coming up? We had. It's sort of a mixture of kind of well-known odd people. Like we had John Kilduff from Let's Paint TV. You love odd people. Love them. You love interesting odd people. What's not to love? Yeah. So you know why I love like Susan even though she was kind of like a crazy lady. No. She sucks. She sucks. I like. You hate her. Well okay. David has been saying it for a long time. She's really fucking mean to fucking James and. But he's like in his own little head space. She doesn't like David Lieberhardt because. He hates. But they don't like each other at all. Because. Yeah. Because David Lieberhardt doesn't like racist whites. Right. And you know he says that they should be more genuine and not two-faced. Yeah. And you know. And so. And then Susan is kind of. She has this thing for like not a good thing for minorities either you know. And we kind of got. You got to listen to that episode where we played. It's an episode after. We had her on too. Yeah. We had them come on together. So they don't like each other. Not David and Susan. Right. That would be funny. Oh maybe we should do that. Yeah. You know Susan sucks. Get them on. I don't know. Season two. But. Hey I heard James, Qual, and Susan got evicted from their house. No that was David just running his mouth. Oh. That didn't actually happen. However they don't have any money at all. However I offered to help find them jobs. I had somebody at the Goodwill who was going to hire James. They don't want it. They don't want the help. And you know they're adults. It's like. As we said. So you know whatever. But they're holding down the fort. Who wouldn't want to hire James Qual? Exactly. He's so funny. Yeah. He's great man. Yeah. I really like him. Yeah. And he's like really great and positive. And Susan is like a negative like life force sucking void. David and I performed at their wedding. David was their best man. Right. And it was in. She didn't really like the idea of that. No. She brought it up still. Last time I saw her. But it was in Little Tokyo. Uh huh. And it was the middle of the day. On a Tuesday. And there were about eight people there. And the minister had a very thick Japanese accent. And it was a really beautiful wedding. James Qual was like on the drive there. Because I had to drive them. Because none of them drive. Right. It was like. Oh yeah. The last wedding cake I'll ever have to eat. Like. Has he been married before? No. Oh okay. Yeah. It's great. It's the first and the last. Well. It's the first. It's the first. It's the first. It's the first. It's the first. It's the first. It's the first. It's the first. It's the first. It's the first. It's the first. It's the first. It's the first. It's the first. It's the first. It's the first. It's the first. Wedding cake. Yeah. I will ever have to eat. Okay. He. A funny story about all of them. Yeah. I asked David. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Because David invited. David was the one who invited me to the weddings. He was the best man. Right. And I was like David what's the attire going to be? He's like oh whatever. It's casual. So I was just like kind of put on whatever. Not like nice. Just kind of whatever. And then I picked James up and he kind of said something that I wasn't dressed properly. and so I was like I should probably go home and change. I was like yeah David said it was going to be casual and James was like well I'm sure Mr. Lee Bahart would take any opportunity he could to make himself look unpresentable. I love that guy man. He's like such a nice guy and Susan is so mean to him man and she's like fuck you. Afterwards she was like drunk and she didn't want to walk and she was downstairs cursing and like fuck you you fucking asshole fuck you. Oh I never heard her get mean to him like that. Oh yeah she was like really mean. Couples fight. Yeah and they're kind of newlyweds too right? You have to understand the cab was taking forever. Yeah. The cab meaning me because since she didn't want to walk with us to the car I had to run over to the car and grab it and come back around to pick her up because she refused to walk. She was refusing to walk down the stairs. Right. Hey come back man. How are you going to get out of the building? She sucks. You guys are way out of line. I want to go home. I'm going to stay right here. People you know people just have to draw their lines and sometimes stairs are it you know. Yeah that's it. I'm not going to do it. She is a severe drug right? That's established. Oh yeah. I liked her when I first met her but like. She seemed like nice and sweet. She's like oh. I said sweet was exactly what I said. That was exactly the word but then as I got to know her and how like she was just like oh yeah you used to be a veteran area and oh I'm going to get a car pretty soon. Just like oh it's bullshit and like think about how great James was and like how she was just kind of like because she doesn't work at all. Right. So she gets all her money from James's one job and for her booze and like how like James didn't really have any money problems before they got together. They met at the liquor store. Is that where the store was? That's where they met. They were like guys like where'd you guys meet? And she was like oh I don't want to say that. Yeah she didn't want to say it. And James was like oh some store. Yeah. Yeah okay. We met at the liquor liquor store. Yeah James goes to like four businesses around their apartment. I can't imagine being the sign guy for Little Caesars is pulling in a huge paycheck. And he only works a couple days a week. Yeah he was complaining about that man. He's like you know they're cutting his hours. Hey I offered to help and they don't want it. How'd you offer to help? I tried to get him a job at the Goodwill. Oh okay. Yeah. And they didn't want to and James didn't want or the Goodwill didn't want it. No James wasn't into it. Oh okay. What kind of job does he want? He was just like oh yeah well uh it appears that they just kind of like we just like I don't know. He needs to work it out for himself I think. Are you going to have him coming up on any of your shows? Yeah he's on the fifth episode. Oh okay. Yeah on that episode it's um. So these are episodes already taped? Yeah they're already taped and completed. Wanted to get it all together and kind of like figure it out. Okay. And then you know put it on. And you're going to do it once a week or something? Yeah once a week and then you know they'll be on the internet forever after that. Cool. Alright man I want to check that shit out. Yeah you should. The Dell Talk Show. I promise it's good. I wouldn't be bothering all of you about this if I didn't think it was really good. Where can we find it on the internet? On Tumblr which uh I'm a fan of Tumblr. I follow the social media. I do all of them especially for you know David's stuff. Oh okay. Um the Tumblr is my favorite so you know we're putting it there. DellTalkShow.tumblr.com and we update it every day with other kind of public access stuff. Oh cool. Alright. I'm going to check that shit out man. Um I'm trying to get this computer unlocked. I can't do it. Okay. If you use a hat pen you can pick it. I'm trying to do it. I don't know Jeremy's password and the screen locks and the whole computer runs. The radio show runs on the computer. Good thing you guys are here man. Shit with the passwords and everything. Well cool man. Hey you know what? You're going to give us a taste of some of the stuff you do on your show. You got a game coming up. Yeah I do. What's it called? It's called uh Family Circus Caption. Okay. Yeah it's uh I don't want to give away too much. Okay. But it involves the popular comic strip The Family Circus. Alright cool. Which has been it's one of the most successful and longest running comic strips in American history. It's no Kathy but it's good. Better. I always liked The Far Side. Far Side's great. And Garfield. Oh I'm not a fan of Garfield. You don't like Garfield? No. I mean the concept is. No the concept sucks too. Are you an. The cat that likes lasagna. Yeah. And John is. I just love lasagna because I had a lot in common with him. Yeah. Kind of a dick loves lasagna. Do you remember the Garfield cartoon show? Right. Yeah yeah I remember that. That was cool. U.S. Acres. The farm animal show. Oh that sucked. Yeah. I thought it was way better. I fucking hated that one. You like that one better? I loved U.S. Acres. Oh that one annoyed me with the Wade and um I forgot the I mean I guess I still watched it. Duck in the Shell right? Yeah. Yeah I remember that. Yeah I remember that man. Well cool well we're gonna we're gonna play. 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Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Back to L.A. To L.A. To L.A. Hi, this is James Quall, and you are listening to the More Music Radio Pod on skidrow.la. Yeah, welcome back to the More Music Radio Pod. We're here with Adam Papigan. All right. I feel fine. You guys having a good time tonight? Check me in like two hours. Yeah, man, we've been listening. Along with hanging out with Adam, we've been listening to some good music. I just want to mention the music we're playing. We first heard Voodoo Glow Skulls, Steady As She Goes, and we will be, the Mormons will be playing with Voodoo Glow Skulls. Yeah, actually in reverse. It's like the headliner plays first. And so they're going to, they're actually, the opening spot is the headliner. It's backwards. But we're playing with Voodoo Glow Skulls at Alex's Bar on Saturday, October 22nd. And that'll be our first show in a while. We've been on a little bit of a hiatus. And it's a special show because we're welcoming back our old friend Jimmy. He's playing bass again. All right. Yeah, all right. And so, yeah, I want everybody to check that out. After that, you heard Majorelle, Jimmy's other band with How Dare You. And then you heard Numbers. Numbers with I Transfer. And then you heard a little bit of David Lieberhardt and Adam Papagen with The Devils in the Church, 13th Church. 13th Church, yeah. Yeah. He's in a couple churches, as it turns out. Right. He's, he has, he sees a lot of racism. He says he's still, even though. It's rough out there. His pop, even though his popularity, you know, even though he's famous. They're still conservative whites. Right. And they're two-faceded. And which I agree with sometimes, you know, whatever. And then also, you heard the band. The Screamers with Vertigo. And you heard our friends, Olean. Last week, Olean was on here. And man, they fucking tore shit up, man. They played some really fucking nice fucking music for us. And that was a good show. And that was Virgin in My Pocket. And anyway, now we're back on the More Music Radio pod. And we're going to play a game. All right. Yes. Yeah. What's this game called? This game is called Family Circus Caption. All right. I'm going to show you guys here in the studio some Family Circus cartoons. I'm going to have to, of course, describe them. Okay. This is Theater of the Mind. Right. You know. But, you know, it's a one-panel cartoon. There's a longer, more difficult version of this with Garfield. But that's, you know, three or four panels. Oh, okay. So it's a little bit harder to guess every single one. I might be a little bit better at that one, but that's okay. Yeah. So let's just get started right now. I'm going to show you. Well, I'll describe it, and then I'll show it to you guys. But basically, Billy and Jeffy and PJ are all in their bedroom. They're like a family, right? Okay. They're in their bedroom. Yeah. The family of the family circus. They're all in their bedroom. And there are toys everywhere. There's a hockey stick, and the dog is in there, too, with a tennis ball. And there's a car and a comic book. And the window's open. You can clearly see that it's nighttime. Mm-hmm. And all the kids are having fun, but Billy looks kind of nervous. He's sweating. Mm-hmm. Okay. And he's calling out. They're little sweat droplets. Yeah. Okay. He's calling out. Like, he's responding to someone. Okay. I can barely see that. I may just let you guys play. Well, it was a great description. It's a little closer to the mic. Yeah. And listen. Okay. Listen real close. So, I don't know. What do you guys think it says? What do kids like to do? What's important to kids? Masturbating. No? No. No. You know, what's an argument that parents and kids have all the time, especially on school nights? About masturbating too much, or what do you mean? I don't know. No, it's a little simpler. All right. Well, I'll just tell you, because you're new to the game. Okay. All right. The first one. Okay. We are in bed. Oh. You see? They didn't want to go to bed. They didn't want to go to bed. They wanted to stay up and play because they're little kids. They wanted to stay up and masturbate. Uh-huh. They're rambunctious. Okay. Oh, shit. These are going to get tougher. Nasty. I'm worried. Okay. Let's see. What do we have here? All right. This is a little bit tougher. Similar theme, though. Billy is in his room. I'm liking this, though. Billy is in his room. Mom's looking all right. And his mom, Thelma, is here, and she's scolding him for something. And there are toys everywhere. Is she shaking her finger? No. It's pointed down. Okay. Like, I mean business, Billy. Okay. So there's a dinosaur and a robot and a toy car and a choo-choo train. And pretty much all the toys he owns are out here. Out in the toy box is open, too. You can see that they're all laid out all over the floor. So what do you think the caption of this one is? Hmm. Clean your fucking room, Billy. All right. That might be one. That looks like it. That's good. That's pretty close. Can I wager a guess? Yes. I can kind of see it. She's pointing down, and Billy's like, what? So remember, Billy is the one responding. His mouth is open. Maybe she's saying, Billy, this room is a mess. Now you get down here, and you lick mommy's pussy right now. We're looking for Billy's response. Oh. Oh, okay. So his response. It's the one with the mouth open is the one who's talking. It changes everything. Did a clown shit in here. And then Billy's going, okay. And he's sticking his tongue out. He's going to lick it. Okay. That's not it, right? Okay. The correct caption is, if I put everything away, I'll forget to play with them. See, kids, a lot of times, you know, they're cute. We love them. Who doesn't love kids? Me. They don't, you know, they don't reason very well. And, you know, he wants to keep his toys out. But Thelma is not having that. She wants to raise him right. And, you know, I think that, you know, had the children aged properly over the years, they would have grown up to be pillars of the community. Yeah. Instead, they grew up to be crackhead criminals. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. It's common. Very common. Okay. All right. We'll do one more. Okay. So the family, the dad, Bill. Okay. And Dottie and Billy and Jeffy are on the couch. It's probably the evening time. Mm-hmm. Right. Set the mood. And Bill has a book open. It's Jack and the Beanstalk. You're all familiar with Jack and the Beanstalk. That's the one with the beanstalk, right? Exactly. And the giant. I love Jack and the Beanstalk. And they're all sitting around. You love to Jack that Beanstalk? And Billy has his mouth open. Billy is the one talking. Speaking of which, you can only see one hand. Mm-hmm. He's holding the book. Okay. And the other hand, where's the other hand? Jack and the Beanstalk. Goddamn kids. Okay. I get no privacy in this house. So they're reading the Jack and the Beanstalk. Mm-hmm. And Billy looks like he has an observation about the book and this timeless story of Jack and the Beanstalk. So what do you think, Billy? What do you think Billy's opinion is of Jack and the Beanstalk? What do you think the caption is of this family circus? Okay. So he's talking to his dad, right? Mm-hmm. Mom's boyfriend is way hotter than you, Dad. But remember, Jack and the Beanstalk. That's the clue. Okay. I know. It's just the title of the story makes him... Family circus caption. Dad, what are you hiding behind that book? Okay. That's a good one. That's close. That might not be it. Okay. Okay. That's pretty close. It's about Jack and the Beanstalk. Okay. Daddy, are the pages of that book stuck together because you were Jack and the Beanstalk? That's very good. Let's see. The actual caption is, I don't buy the bit about the Beanstalk growing so big overnight. See, Billy, he doesn't understand fantasy. He's kind of an incredulous kid. And that's the part of the story that doesn't make sense. What's incredulous mean? Doubtful. Okay. Thank you. Cool. I went to public school. Yeah, me too. Credit score. Yeah, but you actually paid attention. That's why I went to preschool. See, you know how this game... It means more than credulous. You know how this game actually gets better though is if we're all funny and then it's really good. Yeah. I'm going to try to get a little bit funnier at this one. Well, the family circus is actually itself not that funny. So you really... The strategy would be to try to think of things that aren't funny because that's kind of what they do when they write it. I was trying to think of... I'm trying to think of these great lines though like, oh man, I'm going to be funny and then nothing will come out. I know. Yeah, it's really hard, man. It's really difficult. Yeah. Man, that... One panel to convey an idea. That Bill Keen, he is a comic genius. Is that the guy... Yeah, I'm sorry, author. I just figured that was common knowledge. Oh, are you... I'm getting a phone call right now from David Liebehart. Okay, can you answer it and put it on speaker? Yeah, I can actually. All right, cool. We got a phone call from David Liebehart. Hey, David, what's happening? Hi, I just wanted to ask a favor of you. Oh, a favor, really? I need a copy of the show that I did because I want to share it with an Asian, trying to get an Asian. Oh, okay. What? The new Junior Christian Science Bible Lesson Program? No, the that and that one that I did with you. The one that I did with you. Oh, the episode of the Dell Talk Show that you were on. Yeah, I want a copy of that. Okay, yeah, I can get it for you. It's not... We're still doing a little color correcting, but I can get that to you. Okay, yeah, I can get it for you. It's not... We're still doing a little color correcting, but I can get that to you. Okay, yeah, I can get it for you. It's not... We can get it for you. Okay, and then a copy of the... Those stick-ons, and I've been practicing medium. That's a great song. That's a good song that you wrote. I'm still working on it. I still... When we're in the East Coast, I still feel that we should... Because a lot of people have emailed me that they like the... You want to do those train songs? This is about the New Haven and Northwestern. I've gotten a lot of requests. We can have about... I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I was thinking we would have a portion every night in the set when it would be David's choice, and you could just pick whatever the third until last song was going to be. David Lieberhardt on the phone. David, I'm doing a radio show right now. You're doing a radio show? Yeah, you're live on the radio, the one that we did in downtown LA. Ask him to call in. Give him the number, and tell him to call in. Tell him about the tour we're doing, until I'm out. I will. How about you? Can you ask him to call in? How about you tell us about the tour? He can't hear you. He might be able to hear you, because you're right next to Adam. David, they want you to tell them about the tour. the tour. Okay, can you put me on the phone? I will. Can you call in? Can you call in to the studio? Let me give you the number. That's 800-893. Okay, but get the line clear for me. 9-5. I don't think you have to worry about that. 6-2. Okay. Also, I'm confused about this picture you gave me. 800. 800. 8-9-3. 8-9-3. 9-5. 8-9-3? Uh-huh. 9-5. 9-5. 9-5. 9-5. 6-2. 6-2. 6-2. Okay, I'm calling in right now. 800. Tell him to push 1 to go live. Call in right now. Tell him when he calls in and push 1. And then push 1 after you call in. Okay, thank you. All right, we'll see you soon. Bye. Bye-bye. We are going to have a call in from David Liebehart, and we're going to find out about you guys going on tour. You guys are going to tour from the East Coast on the way back, or are you just doing an East Coast thing? East Coast. To Texas. Oh, cool. Because there's not much in between Texas and California. Where are you playing at in Texas? We've had some really bad luck in Texas. We're playing in Austin a few times. That's the only place. And it's right fucking right in the middle of Texas. You have to drive through the whole big-ass fucking ick Texas to get to Austin. Fuck Arizona. All right, it looks like we are getting a call from David Liebehart, and this thing's going to – or did he do it? Yeah, there you go. Okay, there you go. Hold on a second. David Liebehart? You are on the air on the More Music Radio pod. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'm going on tour next week, and I want to tell all the fans I appreciate all they've done for me. I'm going October the 20th. I'll be in Rochester, New York. Is Adam going with you? I'm telling you where I'm going to be. Oh, I'm sorry. With Adam Papagans. You ready for me to tell the people we're doing it? Are you in a bad mood tonight? No, I'm not in a bad mood. I got stood up by three girls, which is – Oh, that would be – What else is new? I know. I know. It's one of those things. Yeah. Hey, David, have you got your pee-pee wet yet since you've last been here at Skid Row Studios? That means – That's in 94. 1994. Oh, man. Last time I was married. Uh-huh. You know – Bridget. And then an alien told me that sex was wrong out of marriage, Laurent. Laurent, yeah. Laurent is all up in your business with your morals. Yeah. He won't let me do anything. Mm-hmm. He's like a big brother. Does Laurent got game, by the way? Does he, like, steal a lot of, like – You ready for me to give the list of the places – Yeah, list some of them off, some of your favorites. Like, man, you don't need that. Hey, girl, come over here. October the 20th, 2011, will be in Rochester, New York, at the Bug Shop, and Jack Topp – All right. And then on October – You're going to – David, you're going to have to do 20 of these. So, you know, maybe we should just direct people to your Facebook page, Hasm, or just Google David Lieberhardt Tour, and you'll find it. Okay. Well, isn't it – Where else are we playing, David? We're playing in San Antonio. I'm looking forward to going to the Alamo. We're playing in San Antonio. Let me tell you where we're playing in San Antonio. Deep in the heart of Texas. We're playing in San Antonio on November the 7th. Yeah. And Texas Studio, the 13th. We're playing at Wonderland, and then we're going to be in – Oh, yeah. We played at Wonderland. That's a really cool place. Drink the tea, David. Over at Wonderland in San Antonio, our band, the Mormons, played at Wonderland. Or Happy Funland or something. Then we're going to be in Dallas, Texas, at Ryan Street, at the – what it is? The Man's Factory, Birmingham. And then we're going to also – let me backstab. We're going to be in Houston, Texas, at the Super Happy Funland on November the 3rd. And then we're going to be in Birmingham, Alabama. Hold on. What about New Orleans? Start over, please. I was writing this down. David. David, they got it. They can look on the internet. It's good, though. Okay, well, why are you trying to give me the brush off? No, we're not. We're not. We're not. We're not giving you the brush off. No, we – This is a lot to take in. We're happy that you called in, man. We only like to list, like, 35 shows. Anything less than that, we don't. Isn't it Tumblr? Yeah. Isn't it David Lieberhardt? Tor. Tor Tumblr? Yeah, that's right. Okay, David Lieberhardt, Tumblr.com. Remember, David Lieberhardt. Tor. Let me do it in – David Lieberhardt, Tumblr.com. Listen up. Or from New York, DavidLieberhardtTumblr.com. Hey, so, David, what are you doing tonight? What are you doing tonight? Where are you coming from? Well, I'm alone. I just came in from working as a street musician at the music center. Okay. With a Chandler? They made a big stink because I was rehearsing the songs. Those old bags, oh, it's springing too loud. Oh, it's coming down. It's grinding my ears out. It's grinding my ears out. But anyway, they bitch and complain. I wrote a song, bitch and complain about the people there. They complain, yeah. I thought that's because you made a big stink. Anyway, we're going to have a good time. I wrote a song about Betty White, and I can't wait. That's the new song I'm doing. I'm going to be performing a song about when I grew up in Richie's High School. And I was in the football team and the pretty women that I met and the fun I had. It's called Happy Immediate. That's the new song we're going to be doing. And a new song about – I'm going to be doing a song about – I'm going to be doing a song about – I'm going to be doing a song about – I'm going to be doing a song about – I co-wrote about Betty White we're doing. I wrote the words about it. I sing about working with her. Then I'm going to be doing a song about the one-eyed woman that lives at the Dick Spurls apartment. I'm going to be doing a song about – You should write a song about taking it easy. Oh, we can have a good time. You know, relaxing. That sounds great. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. I see. Great, that sounds so fun. I want to go. Too bad I got to work, though, you know? Well, I'd like Adam and I to come together and do those songs on your show when we come back. All right, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, you heard it here on the More Music Radio pod. We're going to have Adam Papigan and David Liebehart. David Liebehart and Adam Papigan. And Adam Papigan, or David Liebehart first? He likes that better? It's filmy fare. I like it better, David Liebehart, because I'm the star of the show. No, he's the Eric, and I'm the Tim. Oh! Hey, David, I really hope you get laid on this tour, man. I haven't had sex since 1994, and I wrote a song about it. That sucks. Next time. What are you going to do? It's one of those things. Are you looking at porn, even though Laurent says no? I slipped. I slipped a couple times. Uh-oh. I was a bad boy. Uh-oh. But I haven't done it recently. David, you're such a goofball. Don't worry about that. Okay. Just do whichever you want. You're not a bad guy. Well, Adam got laid in San Francisco. He doesn't want to see the pretty woman anymore. All right. Just like Julie Garland. She's beautiful. I'll talk to you tomorrow, David. Maybe Adam can funnel you some, man. Maybe he can help you out. A girl gave David. David, her phone number in Seattle. And we were like, David, you should call her. And he was just like, oh, I called and it was the wrong number. Like, he didn't even try. You wouldn't let me. You said we had to go to the next town. No, that was in Davis. You wouldn't let me. Well, next time, let me. Okay. Next time, let him get some, man. I'm sorry. It's in 1994. I didn't mean to be such a Laurent to you. Oh. Yeah. Hold me back. I don't mean to be a Laurent. Some good news. I'm going to be on a new Tim and Eric Awesome Show. Great job. All right. Yeah. It's called Hispanics and Bulls. And we're going to start casting for it. It's going to be like a George Lopez show. And maybe I can talk Tim and Eric to get you all on it since you remind me of Cheech and Chon. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. We'll do it. Be sure to tell him to give us that invite, man. We want to go down there and we want to talk to him. He's not here. I'm going to tell you something. Because you are such a cool guy. And you've been so nice to me. Guess what I'm planning to do for you and your friend? What? I have special passes for the new Tim and Eric movie. I'm in the end part. Tim and Eric cut out the part that I was hitchhiking a ride. They cut out the part where I was a police officer with James Graw. They cut out the part where I was hitchhiking. They cut out the part where I was singing a song. I wrote Women Are Tempting. And like the Desire Apple. They cut all that out, huh? They cut it out. And the only part I'm doing at the very caboose end of the movie where I say I talk to Stephen Spielberg, book alike. Why is Tim and Eric ghost me from being in most of the movie? And I say they've kind of like 86ed me like Gary Marshall did when I did intern work for him in the 70s. And they kept that. Oh, okay. They kept that part. So anyway. But you know what? Don't worry because don't worry, David, because all that stuff will probably be in the DVD and the extras. I really want to. That's going to make me buy the DVD, actually. You know? Well, I'm already in the Krimbus special, even though Tim and Eric cut out my part of the Krimbus special. Oh, yeah. I did see the Krimbus special. I didn't see your part. You know, unfortunately, they wouldn't let me tour with them last year. They only let me tour in L.A. Because they went. They went with the Neal Hamburger or something? Or what was it? They went with the hamburger, the McDonald hamburger instead of the fries and the Whopper meat. Yeah, that's right. What are you going to do? I love Neal Hamburger, but I. You know, Neal Hamburger, since he's been working with Tim and Eric, he hasn't called me to this space world or James Graw. They're kind of like cutting you out of this, man. That sucks. I know. I don't think it's cool. Oh, well. That's why I'm trying to get on another show. Well, you were on the Dell Talk Show. I mailed out all my pictures and resumes to all the new TV shows. You know, I. You didn't hear back from any of them or they returned your resume? Since you're a minority like me, guess what? There are shows on NBC Studios that have it really, really white. Yep, that's true. I hate that. Well, they have on the show called How I Met Your Mama. It's really, really white. They would get more viewers than the other show. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. The radio show last week, I was watching Whitney. I mean, that was good. And African-Americans and Japanese. David, what's your opinion of The Whitney Show? The Whitney Show, she's a beautiful lady, she's a wonderful comedian, but she doesn't show her great talent in The Whitney Show. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's a, that's a very graceful way to put it. Oh, wait. She kind of annoys me a little bit, though. That show's terrible. I don't mean to talk trash on other TV shows, but seriously, like. It's horrible, huh? I like The Outsourced better. and NBC had a pilot with Adam Carolla on it. Did they pick this over that? There's no way this is better. I know. Adam Carolla's got real talent. Yeah, he's great. We've got to write a song about him. Frank Sinatra, he's the greatest, as Jackie Gleason would say. Adam Carolla. I love Adam Carolla. Yeah, he's my favorite. Adam Papagian got me hooked on him. He's the greatest. He's the funniest. Oh, you like that guy, huh? We could probably get Adam Carolla on, actually. Interesting. Adam Carolla had a public access show. He did, huh? What? I didn't know that. Yeah, it was called Ace on the House. It was a call-in show, and he did it at the studio in Eagle Rock. Oh, right there. Century Cable. I didn't know that. Well, you know, Oprah, once we had a public access show. It's a powerful connection. And Jamie Foxx had a show before they made it. And Tom Green. And Julie David-Levahart had a junior Christian science Bible lesson show. And when I was him and Eric, awesome show, great job. And where are those songs licensed through, David? What? The songs. Aren't they licensed through Christian Science? CCLI, Christian Copyright Licensing International. Well, let me explain. My CCLI Christian Copyright Licensing uses my religious songs at churches all throughout the United States. If your church has a license, the CCLI Christian Copyright Licensing International, you can download my songs. Oh, we've got some other good news, but Adam didn't want to do this for me. I have my songs in Spanish for the Latino. All right. Yay. I'm going to give you the lead sheets to do my songs in Spanish. Now I can understand your songs. Right on, buddy. Yeah. Hey, David, go get some sleep. Hey, David, real quick. You were about to say that you were going to get us free passes to the premiere of the Tim and Eric. I am going to get you free passes. Can I come, David? Well, if you're a good boy and you don't give me a hard time and let me do the songs I like on the tour. Okay. Oh. Like that. It's like that, huh? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you keep it real, man. You keep it really real. Yeah. David keeps it more real than anybody I know. All right. Well, I'm honored to have the talented Adam Pop again working with me. He's a talented guitarist. He's great. He's a talented businessman. And he's a talented guitarist. He's talented. But I feel that since I'm the star, I should get a little bit more than him. But he wants to get equal. And I thought I should get a little bit more than him. Because I paid a lot of dues. David, these are discussions that maybe we should have off the air. No, let's have them right here. And naked. David's only into women. I hope you'll let me be a part of your show. And I hope next time I come back from tour, I can be on your show. Definitely. And let the fans know they can help us. I'll give my talent free if they can make donations to Adam and I getting a big album recorded. Yeah. We will do that. That's coming 2012. It's going to go off. 2012 is a new album? Yeah, we're going to record in the beginning of the year. We're going to make a new album. Great. I can't wait for that. Yeah, we're going to do Happier Media that I talk about growing up at Ritchie's High School. We're going to do Betty White. We're going to do Laurent. We're going to do a lot. I'm going to do songs on that album. All right. I love that. Well, David, thank you very much for calling up. I can't wait to have you back in studio. Keep an eye out for the racists, whites, the two-faced ones. Oh, they are terrible. Right? I wrote songs. I'm anti-racist. And I wrote songs against the racism in our society. Well, keep doing it, man, because we need more people like you. Amen. I want to teach our youth that the racism is wrong. They should love and include everybody. Yeah. And treat it. Everybody equally the way they want to be treated equally. That's the way it should be. Mm-hmm. You know. Right on. Amen. By the way, muchas gracias for letting me be on the show. And as my grandmother Schroeder would say, since I'm part German, danke schön for letting me be on the show. Danke schön. It's our pleasure. Everybody, David Lieberhard. Danke schön. Coming in in the morning. Thanks a lot, David. You have a good night, man. Bye. Bye-bye. David Lieberhard, everybody. Yeah. All right, man. That was cool, dude. Great guy. That was great, man. I don't know. Love that guy. That's a great guy. He was talking about ending racism. I think there's a time and place for everything. That's one of the things that David and I actually disagree about is I'm actually pro-racism. You're holding on to it. And we kind of butt heads on it. Yeah. Yeah, man. Yeah. And so, like, when David was on, like, you guys spend a lot of time together, right? Oh, yeah. He's my best friend. Yeah. Definitely. But, like, sometimes, like, he'll say things and I notice your body language. He's like, oh, man, I've heard this for the fucking thousandth fucking time. Oh, yeah. But, you know, like, that's just David. Like, he, like... He gets a pass on a lot of stuff, and rightly so. And you gotta, like, he always says you gotta focus on the positive. Right. He's a very positive guy, too. Yeah, he is. And, like, the way I look at it is, like, I could be in a band where the singer was always trying to find heroin. You know what I mean? Right, right, right. Like, it could be a lot worse. It's just the thing that's frustrating is, like, the stuff that he obsesses about is, like, this, like, mundane stuff. Yeah, he just doesn't want to let it go. Yeah. I don't know. Is heroin that bad? Yeah. Because you could... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You could actually find heroin. Right. But what if he, like, was like, I don't know what the hell this guy's looking for. He's just always upset. How am I going to find that? But David finds racism in everyday life. You know, he encounters that, you know. He does his thing. And so he does have this thing where he... I can tell that he really does care a lot about you, but he wants to be a little bit above... What did he say? Juan was like, because he's been talking to David a lot recently, he was like, yeah, David never says anything bad about you. And, like, that's so surprising because all David does is talk trash about everybody. So for him not to say anything bad about me, like, yeah, it's really sweet. Yeah, no, we have a great working relationship. I really like him a lot. Yeah, man. So this is going to be your second tour with David? Third, actually. Third tour. Shit. Yeah. So you're doing it every year or something? You do it, like, a couple years ago? We went... The first one, well, like, we did, like, many tours, you know, but, like, the first real one we did was last spring of the East Coast. And then about two weeks after that, we did the whole West Coast. And then now we're going back to the East Coast and the South again. And then hopefully by next summer, we can do a national tour. What kind of reaction do you get doing the David Lieberhardt band? It's always... I didn't know what to expect, but I really liked it. Yeah? Mm-hmm. It's a lot of I didn't know what to expect, though. Yeah. But I think we deliver a good show. And, you know, it's a punk band. People don't know that. Right, yeah. It's like a full-on punk band now. It's like a real... We have, like, a whole... You guys are just playing? We're playing punk songs, and he's going, ah! Yeah. He's a good... He's a great front man and a great singer. They have no tolerance for Latinos! Exactly. He speaks the truth. The truth. Yeah, it's cool, man. I gave him a ride to a church. I picked him up from the Tar Pits, you know, where he met that Caribbean girl. Yeah, Jessica DeOrdes. Right. You've heard this shit. I know. I want to do, like... I want to do a thing on, like... I don't know what context, but... Like, what was that game show where, like... Like, the New Leeward game or something, where they ask David questions, and then they ask me beforehand, and, like, I have to hold up what I think he said. Like, what is David Lieberhardt's favorite song? And then, like, they would ask me, and I'd write, calling occupants of interplanetary crafts by the Carpenters. And then, like, we'd ask David, David, what's your favorite song? He'd be like, well, I love that song by the Carpenters about the aliens, and then, like, I would hold it up. Oh! Yeah, I want to do something like that. Yeah, yeah. Where, like, we... Like, a New Leeward game. Yeah, you guys would fucking run away with that game. Yeah. Yeah, I know everything about that guy. He just talks nonstop. How long have you known him? Since 2004, when I did his public access show. Oh, okay. And then, like, I really started to get to know him in, like, 2007, 2008. Uh-huh. And then, once we started... You were, like, a little kid when you first went on his show. Yeah, I was in high school. How old were you? Like, maybe 13 or something? Maybe 14. No, that's probably 15, 16. Did you ever catch his show, the Junior Science Christian... What's it called again? The Junior Christian Science Bible Lesson Program. Right, okay. But also, sometimes it's called the Junior Christian Teaching Bible Lesson Program, or the Junior Christian Teaching Bible Lesson Show. Like, the title changes. And I asked him about that once. I was like, David, how come the title is different every time? And he was like, it is? He didn't even know. But... Oh, I didn't even know that. Yeah. Wow, that's amazing. But, yeah, it's a great show. I had never seen it before, but there was a documentary, which you can see on YouTube, called Public Access Hollywood, about the local public access scene at the time. And John Kilduff was in it. He invited me to the premiere. I knew him from being on Let's Paint TV. And then David was in it, too. And I just saw this guy just work in the room, like, passing out his resume to everybody. Like, oh, yeah, I'm sagging after. Oh, you gotta think about hiring me. And so then I saw the documentary, and he was in it. And I was like, this guy is amazing. This is genius level. This guy is great. So I was a guest on his show. And then I would just see him around town, because he's a local guy. And then I was working on Tim and Eric as an intern. And because I already knew him and really liked him, anytime anybody had to pick him up or anything, I'd be like, oh, I'll go do it. Like, I'll go hang out with him. Yeah, yeah. And so... Did you introduce David Lieberhardt and Tim and Eric or something? No, no, no. He sent his picture and resume to Tom Goes to the Mayor, because he sends that to every show. And those guys, because they like oddball people, Yeah. called him in. And then once they met him, like, you know, it was love at first sight. Who met him first, you or them? I did. Ah. Mm-hmm. And so how did you get the job working with them? I had a friend from junior college. He's the only friend I ever met in junior college who was an intern on that show. Mm-hmm. And we were talking about public access one day. He watched my show. And we were talking about all the shows we liked. And I was like, you know what show is fantastic is David Lieberhardt's show, Junior Christian Science Bible Lesson show. And he was like, oh, I work on Tim and Eric. I know that. I know that. I know that guy. So he would, like, every time he was with David, he would call me and stuff. And then he was going to school up at Berkeley, and he recommended me to replace him as an intern. Oh, okay. So I interned there for a couple months. Oh, cool. Yeah, man. So that show, the Tim and Eric Awesome Show, Great Job, is very public access-y, right? Yeah. Mm-hmm. That's all, all the credit for that goes to the editor, Jonathan Kreisel. They have a great editor on that show. He directs Portlandia now. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you like that guy. Jonathan Kreisel. Tim and Eric, not so much. No. I'm going to be real. Okay, this is what happened. I started working with David, and they had the producer. I was the best intern there. Like, I did a really good job. I loved interning there. All right. I started working with David and recording this album, and they got wind of it, and it was during the hiatus of the show, and they had the executive producer, or super writing producer, fire me via email, but, like, with, like, an excuse. Like, they didn't even come clean and say it. And, like, because I was working with David, which I thought, that's, like, that's not a cool way to go out. I did a good job. But, you know, it was actually turned out to be a really positive thing, because, you know, I had all this free time to work with David, and, you know, we've traveled around the country, and we've made seven really good albums, and we're going to do an album with the whole, like, real band, with me and David. Was it because they felt that you were kind of glomming onto their thing or something? I don't know. I don't know. I'm not, I don't want to speculate. I don't want to speculate about that. But, yeah, they felt that they wanted to go. What would be the objective of firing you, though? I mean, they wanted you gone. Yeah. This guy has to go. Right. We want control of David Lieberhardt. Yeah. Okay. You know, it's kind of... And then another shady thing that they did, I made James Quall's comedy album, the James Quall album. Right. Recording in my apartment. I produced that. So David, the last time Tim and Eric were going on tour, David took them a bunch of our CDs and was like, they didn't have my name on it, and was like, hey, you should sell these while you're on tour for me. And one of the ones he took was the James Quall CD. So I was hanging out with James Quall one time, and James Quall pulls the CD out of his pocket that was the exact same album that we made, all the same titles, and, like, the artwork concept was the same, but it was professional pictures of him and professional packaging, and it was the James Quall album, but it was totally the same album, and they bootlegged it, and they were selling it on tour. Holy shit. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, that's so not cool. Who's the one who calls the shots? Is it Tim and Eric that call the shots, or is there, like, a people mastermind behind the scenes? Tim is the leader. You know, any kind of partnership will have, like, you know, it's one person, and then there's, like, the sidekick, and Tim is definitely the leader. Uh-huh. And so that's what David was talking about. Like, he's the Tim, and you're the Eric, right? Yeah, I guess so. And it's true, because Tim, because Eric is, like, I don't know if you've ever been to a concert here in Los Angeles, but Eric is such a hipster. That guy is a super big hipster. He's always going to all the hipster places, and he loves being cool. And, like, when we go on tour, I like to, you know, do the fun things. You know, David's older, and he doesn't care about going to music festivals or, you know, drinking or hanging out with people or anything. So, you know, in that respect, I'm, you know, all about, you know, partying and, like, doing the cool guy thing, whereas David is more, you know, more serious. Yeah, yeah. That was a good description. David speaks the truth most of the time. Yeah. His observations are always spot on. Yeah. People are just like, oh, yeah, whatever, David. But, like, he was the first one that told me. Yeah, they just dismiss him like he's just some crazy lunatic that doesn't know what he's talking about. He was the first one that told me. But if you pay attention, yeah, there is something going on there. It's just he approaches it in a different way. Yeah. And he obsesses on things. It's just his perspective on everything. Yeah. Like the Pleiadians that he always talks about. Yeah. There's a mainstream UFO, like, conspiracy called the Pleiadians. Uh-huh. It's totally a real thing, but that's just how he mispronounces it. Yeah. It's just his interpretation of it. Yeah. And he says albums, albums. Album, yeah. Yeah. Album and the Chipmunks. And Two-Faceded. Uh-huh, Two-Faceded. He calls skiing snow skiing. Yeah, we used to go snow skiing all the time. We did. It could have been water skiing. Yeah. If it's not water skiing, then it's just called skiing. People will assume that it's the snow. Have you heard Tim Heidecker's music? Oh, his, like, yacht rock thing? Oh, man, I saw some stuff on YouTube, and it was fucking gross. What's his band called? It was fucking way gross. It's called Heidecker, and they do, like, a Loggins and Messina thing. And he, like, dresses up in a weird disguise thing. Yeah, Wood is Davenwood, who is the music supervisor on the show, of Tim and Eric, and they collaborate a lot on those songs. So they need, like, a celebrity. He played at FYF Fest or something the last year, right? Something like that, yeah. Yeah, I saw pictures of him. I'm like, oh, is it good? I mean, having those experiences. It's well executed, but, like, it's, like, stupid, and, like, why would you do this? That guy, that guy's kind of a try-hard when it comes to music. Do you like the stuff that they do on Tim and Eric Awesome Show, Great John? Yeah, it's a funny show. Yeah. I really like that Steve Ruhle show that they do. Oh, man. I like that better. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, like, but having these personal interactions with them where they weren't really cool and on the level with you, I mean, does that affect that? Are you just, like, whenever you see, like, Tim and Eric come on, are you just like, fuck those guys, man? You know, to be honest, a little bit, like, it's like, yeah. Not like a, like, I fucking hate those guys. It's more like a, eh. They're making a movie now, huh? Okay, all right. But, you know, they deserve it. And, you know, if I, you know, it's just... Well, they do a good show, but, I mean, also, it's just like... I don't want to trash talk. I mean, like... It's kind of bad form, though, to kind of mistreat people, though, you know? It's like, I really hate it when, like, fucking assholes are successful, you know? And there's a lot of these fucking people in L.A. that are successful, but they're just, like, fucking the biggest fucking assholes in Cree. They're not assholes. They're dicks. They're dicks. You know them in Team America? Right, right, right. Tim is such a dick. He really is. He's a dick. He's a dick. He's a dick. And that's just his personality. And is Eric... I mean, he's a talented guy. Eric's the asshole? Eric's kind of a pussy. Oh, he's the pussy? Yeah, he is, actually. Ah, so... Which is with their partnership, kind of... Oh, so Tim enters Eric. I guess, yeah. Oh, okay. They do a good job, though. I mean, that's just their dynamic. You know what? And they do their thing, and that's what I like about them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like the show. They always do their thing. I just don't like it that, you know, like, they kind of, like, or the lawyers, their lawyers or something, kind of freaked out David Lieberhardt and James Kowal because... Because they said... I guess they got written a letter, like a cease and desist letter or something? Well, okay, that's... That's... Time Warner, you know, that's on a major network. It's on Cartoon Network. Right. This is going back to what I was saying earlier about how TV is a lot of no's and stuff. Right. Time Warner owns all those songs. Anything that happens on that show, they own it. Like, if that show got canceled, they couldn't make, like, Tim and Eric's Awesome Show 2 on MTV. They wouldn't be allowed to do that. Okay. So, I mean, like, on the one hand, David didn't own those songs. On the other hand, he got shafted because he had written... Those are all original compositions. Right. And he had written those songs before he even met Tim and Eric. Right, right. So it's not fair that they won't let him perform that. Right. I stand by that. On the other hand, that's the legal agreement. And, like, if Tim and Eric wanted to perform the songs outside of Time Warner... Yeah, but, I mean, who's watching out for David Lieberhardt? I mean, don't you think, like, they kind of took advantage of a kind of, like, a... I don't want to say simple or minded, but, I mean, that's kind of the case, right? I mean, did... He's an actor. He's... They... They're producers. They cast a show. He's an actor on the show. He's somebody that works for them. But I think he only got, like, a couple hundred dollars or something, and it just seems like a bad deal, and, like, especially, like, James Quarles complaining about that he doesn't have money. They don't get that much money to do the show. See, people assume that TV and entertainment, everyone's making a lot of money. That's not always the case. I went on a tour of NBC. It's pathetic. All the shows are out of business. The Telemundo shows, or Univision, not Telemundo, Univision, they do four shows in one room, and the camera's controlled by a robot, and there's just a guy running camera. There's four or five people who work on the shows. Like, things are lean. Just because it's on TV doesn't mean that they're making a lot of money. Right, right. But the opportunity and the platform that this has given David, I think it's fair. He's getting an okay shake. What's the harm in... I mean, I don't know. I guess there is a legal contract, and you have to stick by the contract and shit, but, like, are these guys really gonna sue them? Like, if they came to the More Music Radio pod and played Salome, or if James Quarles came and played, Beach Blast, I wanted to hear those fucking songs, and maybe that's the reason why I'm so upset about it, but I don't know. Personally, I think that it's a positive because David should be known as something other than just a weird guy from New York, which he is. He is a weird guy, but he's so much more, and he's a complicated guy. And so I think it's better because it just... You know, it's a good entry point, but then it stops, and it's like, look at all this other stuff. Do they care about him at all? Like, do you think they're just like, oh, you know what? Let's help David Lieberhard out a little bit. They're just like, oh, David, you know. There are people who work on that show who do care about him. Just, I don't think they... The thing is, is like, when he calls in, it's not like he can call Tim. He calls the receptionist, or like, whoever works there, and those are the people who have the relationship with him. Oh, okay, right. They only kind of just see, like, the funny things. Right. You know? Uh-huh. So, you know. Well, I guess I'm a fan of the show, of the Tim and Eric Awesome show, but I think more so I'm a fan of, like, David Lieberhard. I mean, ever since, like, we were watching him on Century Cable, we would watch that guy every fucking weekend, man. He would come on with Chip the Black Boy, his puppet, and he has... What are some of his other... Lamb of Dog, Orangey the Kitty Cat, Albert Herman, Teddy Reddy, Teddy Eddie, Doug the Dog. There are more. There's so many. I want to do a public access show that's just him talking about his puppets. Yeah. He guards those puppets, too, huh? They're fragile, and, like, I don't know. I don't, like... I think they kind of hinder his performance. Mm-hmm. Because he has to, like, sit down and stuff. Right. I'm not super into the puppets, but they're weird. They're, like, visually, they're very interesting and intriguing. Well, cool, man. Like, anybody that's listening on the East Coast, David Lieberhard... Or the South. Or the South, you know. David Lieberhard and Adam Papigan are going to be coming to your town. David Lieberhard Band. David Lieberhard Band. Mm-hmm. Just look for Dave. Just look for David. Like, he's who you're coming to see. Yeah, man. If you're on the East Coast... He's got you in check, huh? And you're listening right now, you're probably a weirdo, so you'll probably dig this. Yeah. Well, cool, man. And tell everybody where you can get the information on the tour again. It's a Tumblr address, right? Yeah, okay. I got a couple things that I'm doing. We got davidlieberhardtour.tumblr.com. Mm-hmm. Where you can just Google David Lieberhardtour, you'll find it. Mm-hmm. deltalkshow.com. deltalkshow.tumblr.com. Or again, try Googling Del Talk Show. I'm not sure what the search engine optimization, if it's up in the things we just started, but whatever. But, you know, look around, and it's on Tumblr, and we update both of those regularly. And then Facebook is a great way to get in touch with David or myself, and, you know, we use our real names. We're not phonies. Okay. Cool, man. Well, as soon as I can get this board working, it keeps locking out, man. But, yeah, I have to keep typing in the password. Try using a credit card. You can kind of get it in between the locks. Lock in the doorframe. Okay, there we go. Cool, man. So, yeah, man, we're going to play a couple more songs, and, man, thanks for giving us the insight of working with David Lieberhardt and stuff. Thank you for letting me come on and share what I'm doing with your listeners. Well, we're going to be here for a couple more songs, and we'll be back, and then you can remind everybody where to find you and stuff, and we'll be back on the More Music Radio Pod. All right. All right. Hi. This is Jim Schweder. You are listening to the More Music Radio Program on Skin Brown Don't L.A. ¶¶ ¶¶ ¶¶ ¶¶ We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. And Verizon Amphitheater will always be our Vine Meadows. Yeah, okay. I'm not going to say we made it until we play the Florentine Garden. That's going to be it. Yeah, that's going to be cool, man. But, you know, during the week. You want to head over there right now and choose your spot? Florentine Gardens? Hell yeah. I think it's open right now, too. You guys want to go get some? I'm going to go get some Drakkar Noir. I can spray that shit up. That's good and yumbo. Smelling good. But don't forget to catch Matt Time Radio. Yeah, shout out to Matt Time Radio. Hey, and Jeremy, why don't you let us know what's going on, man? I was letting people know that Skid Row Studios is moving. We've got some changes coming up. And bigger and better things, man. Yeah, so basically we've got a brand new studio. It's going to be all, like, professional and shit. And looking forward to that. We're going to have a real setup. And then we're going to get more energy. We're going to have a new internet bandwidth. And there's a new Skid Row Studios iPhone app. It's not about the length. It's the width. We're going to get an Android app soon? Or what's going on with that, man? I keep trying to put it right. Everybody's asking for an Android app. Yeah, because not everybody has an iPhone. I think all these people just need to get iPhones. Steve Jobs is dead. You know, it's an Android world now, man. Oh, okay. I think they regave him the cancer, Android. And it killed him, you know, finally, I guess. I don't know. Sounds like a theory. All right, man. So, anyway, thanks, everybody. Thank you, Dan. Thank you, Cholo Carwash. Thank you, Sonia. Thank you, Jeremy. And thank you, Adam Papigan, for coming in, man. That was fun, dude. We did it, guys. We did it. Everybody check us out on www.skidrow.la. 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