Man lives in the solid world of what he believes to be reality. But there is unseen by most an underworld, a place that is just as real but not as brightly lit, a dark side. The following content is based on a true story. It contains images of graphic violence. Viewer discretion is advised. Good afternoon, everybody. Over the last several days, the United States has been responding to events as they unfold in Ukraine. Throughout this crisis, we have been very clear about one fundamental principle. The Ukrainian people deserve the opportunity to determine their own future. Together with our European allies, we have urged an end to the violence and encouraged Ukrainians We have urged Ukrainians to pursue a course in the future. 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Russia has a historic relationship with Ukraine, including cultural and economic ties and a military facility in Crimea. But any violation of Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity would be deeply destabilizing, which is not in the interest of Ukraine, Russia, or Europe. It would represent a profound interference in matters that must be determined by the Ukrainian people. It would be a clear violation of Russia's commitment to respect the independence and sovereignty and borders of Ukraine and of international laws. And just days after the world came to Russia for the Olympic Games, it would invite the condemnation of nations around the world. And indeed, the United States will stand with the international community in affirming that there will be costs for any military movement. And that is the reason why we are so concerned about the military intervention in Ukraine. Are you going to bark all day, little doggie? Or are you going to bite? At this hour, it appears Russian military forces are crossing the border into neighboring Ukraine, in a region of Ukraine known as Crimea. Late today, President Obama went on national television to warn Russia against a military intervention. Ukraine has been reeling since last week, when a popular revolt led the president, of Ukraine, to flee to Russia. Crimea used to be part of Russia and has long wanted to return. Ukraine says Russian attack helicopters and military transports have taken two key airports in Crimea. The war effort started in eastern Ukraine. The war effort started in eastern Ukraine. The war effort started in eastern Ukraine. The war effort started in eastern Ukraine. The war effort started in eastern Ukraine. The war effort started in eastern Ukraine. The war effort started in eastern Ukraine. The war effort started in eastern Ukraine. The war effort started in eastern Ukraine. The war effort started in eastern Ukraine. The war effort started in eastern Ukraine. 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It's begun, many non-infighting men, their swords and shields gleam in the sun All the world defend yourself, get ready to stand and fight for your lives Just as they have come, all friends on feet, but men don't run, stand your ground They're coming in from the same, they're coming out of it But in the basic sense, the battle has to be won Invaders, pillaging, invaders, losing Set ablaze the campfires and alert the other men From in my heart, warning was being given that there's not enough men here We're a standard, but we're just too many, much too powerful to take On the road, must have been false, but we cannot fight this battle We're a standard, but we're just too many, much too powerful to take On the road, must have been false, but we cannot fight this battle We're a standard, but we're just too many, much too powerful to take On the road, must have been false, but we cannot fight this battle To fight another day Invaders, rape him Invaders, rape him The crisis in Ukraine growing more urgent by the minute Ukraine leaders now accusing Moscow of Russia leaders now accusing Moscow of Invading, Russian planes are crossing the border And Russian forces seizing Crimea's main airport Ukraine's acting president urging Russian President Putin To stop provocations in Crimea U.S. officials say the Russians are flying hundreds of troops Maybe more, into Crimea These officials are not yet calling this an outright invasion But one said this is history being made The war is on, Russia is doing very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very Servants of war, in the ears of death You'll never see them coming your way Hide in the dark, and in plain sight No rules in the stand that they pray Slashers to kill, bringers of death Cronies, waste them all Stand up and fight, vassals will run We will hunt them down The signs of war Blackstone, feel the air The signs of war In the background In the background Trigger the hatred Turn them against thy neighbors Now there's no love Watching the news Your freedom you lose Your fetus will put up to show When the day of simulation of life Survivors will have their revenge Never surrender, never bow down My family will avenge The signs of war Blackstone, feel the air The signs of war Send them back to hell The aftermath Shots of glass Terror's on The dead body's mind The people Are sick It works again Evil The sick are getting away Repentance is here Ancient breeds for hate Detention like a disease Division and despair A resident of the dark Just new hypocrisy Break the status quo The beast in my heart will save us all I know I know I know Halt the down! In the sight of war Black smoke fills the air In the sight of war Send the mass to hell! The capital of Crimea in what appears to be a classic operation for inserting troops into a foreign country. First seize the airfield which then serves as the bridgehead to bring in more troops and more equipment. These movements are unrelated to the large scale military exercise going on inside Russia, which US officials say is serving as a screening operation to make the airlift of troops into Crimea harder to detect. You have made me very angry. Very! Very angry indeed! To ignore the facts of history and the aggressive impulses of an evil empire, and one day with God's help, their total elimination. To learn more learn our playlists. To learn our playlists. To learn our playlists. To learn our playlists. To learn our playlists. To learn our playlists. To learn our playlists. To learn our playlists. To learn our playlists. To learn our playlists. To learn our playlists. To learn our playlists. To learn our playlists. To learn our playlists. To learn our playlists. To learn our playlists. To learn our playlists. I'm a guy who's one to trash it All around us, heck, it's trash shit My face is bloody red Yes, I'm on to the head World War III This is the end of me, yeah World War III Look out, there's a lot of bad boys in here Turn that ticket, sign it up Hey, this is what we like This could be so many of a track Let's brush it up, show World War III This is the end of me, yeah World War III Look out, there's a lot of bad boys in here Here we go This is the end of me, yeah World War III This is the end of me, yeah World War III I'm a guy who's one to trash it All around us, heck, it's trash shit My face is bloody red Yes, I'm on to the head World War III This is the end of me, yeah World War III This is the end of me, yeah World War III World War III World War III World War III World War III World War III World War III World War III Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right, Los Angeles and the rest of the world. We are in a new era of the Cold War. And I, for one, am very happy. about that. Because I've been saying for a long time, fuck the Russians. The only thing that's really, really disturbing to me is, is we're like literally, I miss Ronald Reagan, Los Johnny. You are on crack. I like this foreign policy. I like this foreign policy against the Soviets or the Russians. Can't back you on that one. It doesn't trouble you that we have Soviet submarine subs off the coast in international waters, but off the coast of Florida? Well, Cuba's right there. It doesn't bother you that there's like Soviet spy ships docked in and around Cuba? No. If Ronald Reagan was still alive, dude, and he was still, you know. Ronald Reagan will still be eating jelly beans and not giving a shit and flooding the fucking city with crack. Ronald Reagan would be sending fucking destroyers to fucking go hunt those subs, man. That's way too close to home. Yeah. I'm indifferent. Yeah. Okay. Well, here's the deal. Los Angeles and the rest of the world, what happened to our fucking music? Who knows? This is already turning to be a very awkward year. Why are you agitated? You know why I'm fucking pissed at you? I'm agitated just because I've been noticing I've been noticing you become I've been noticing that you have been transforming into a very, very angry. There's no transformation. It's been like this since September 17th, 1976. Why are you, why are you angry? Oh boy. I don't think we have enough hours for that. But no, there's not much. Vagina Chronicles? No, it's not a transformation. No, actually, I've actually had a very good being a black man, but spiritually med skin in a white society. Dude, that's one reason for the anger. The assumption of, no, I've actually had a pretty good 2014 now that we're three months into it. So, there's other things, but I'd rather not talk about it. When two tribes go to war, my friends, right? Ain't not my tribes. All right. Ain't no feathers or dots in my fucking in the area. So, there you go. Here's the deal. You know, one of the things that's very annoying to me as I was mentioning prior is the fact that the foreign policy that we have here with the United States and the fact that President Obama literally is just, it's just like a little, let me remind everybody. I voted for this president twice, but the foreign policy that he enacts is just fucking despicable. And the fact that the Soviets are literally just, and the rest of the world, they're like, fuck you guys. You guys are all full of shit. You're a little dog barking. And then we have Soviet subs, which the media doesn't really talk about. I got to go to outside media sources. Off the coast of fucking, and international waters, mind you, but still, off the coast of fucking Florida. This reminds me of like when the Nazis were like off the coast of Long Beach. And Kate, Kate from Hyrax's fucking father was like, you know, what the fuck is this? By the way, let me welcome, before I get on, I'm going to tirade here. Big Evo Emile is also joining us. How you doing there, man? I'm all right. I'm all right. How you doing? Good, man. What do you think about that? Because Lost Johnny's already, I'm checked out, dude. Yeah, you're checked out. Is it the weed? Nope. Nope. No weed today. Okay. What do you think about what's going on? Well, it's a catch 22 in some senses because if he does something, he's a warmonger. If he does nothing, he's a pussy. So, well, I mean, okay, to go backwards, again, this is such, an American thing that people conveniently forget the president prior to the one that would have been done. There would have been no negotiating or talking. It's like invade, crush, kill, go home. We have a president now that's actually thinking about things, doing the diplomatic process, thinking about the bigger picture. Right. Lost Johnny, there's Soviet subs off the coast of Florida. War is not a fucking arbitrary thing to go into. Yes, there's submarines and warships everywhere all over the world. So what if they're from international waters from Cuba? This is where I'm going to say, here's the deal. Hey, you're bringing it up, pal. I know, but here's the deal, Mr. Fucking Crossfire here. When they're that close to our national, national territory, I mean, yeah, they're like literally, dude, the same could be said with all the American bases that are set up all over the world. See that in Afghanistan? You can say that in Poland. You think they're happy? You think Russians are happy that American bases are in Poland? No. Okay, well, you know what? This is what brings up the old Cold War fucking aspect of it. I, for one, I kind of, I'm kind of glad that we finally have a designated fucking person to hate. So I'm happy that now I can say, fuck the Russians. Oh, Putin. Yeah, he's kind of a shithead. He's a dick. He's a total dick. He's a dick. We can agree on that. All right, right on. Let me tell you another thing that I'm pissed off about. On Friday, as most of us were at that, what happened to you on Mike? What happened to you, Mike, on Friday? Why weren't you at that? Oh, no, crashto. Crashto. What a dick. He was trying to find a submarine. One of the things that really bothered the fuck out of me is the fact that I'm already at that stage where, and Emilia and I were discussing this on the way over here. I had a very lovely, beautiful young lady approach me. Was that the show? At the show. By the way, people, we went to go see Shrub. By the way, that show was amazing. It was amazing. When we went to, we went to go see Shroud Eater, Lightning and Swords of Death, Orb Weaver, and Ancient Altar, which was a fucking amazing show, and I was promptly blown away by all three of the bands. Sorry I didn't get to catch Ancient Altar. Amazing. All four bands are incredible. But that whole week had been like a real-life musical chairs experience for me. I don't know if you're there yet. Emilia, I don't know if you're there yet, but every time someone passes away that I grew up being around or watching or admiring, I mean, every time someone passes away, not only do I realize the status of my own mortality, but I always look at it like a musical. Remember that game, Musical Chairs? Going down, walking around, the music ends, and then if you don't have a chair, you're out. Yep. Dude. You talking about Harold Ramis? Talking about Harold Ramis, and then here's, I don't know if you remember or are you familiar, but Jim Lang from The Dating Game. Whoa, really? Well, a little before my time. Why don't we start off with the Ghostbusters? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And what was his name? Harold Ramis. He's also well-renowned. He directed Ghostbusters and he wrote Animal House. Can we play the Ghostbusters music, Jim? Yeah. Can we, you know, can we be on track? Jesus Christ. We're being fucking Nazis today, aren't we? Sunday. Is it free shit Sunday already? Harold Ramis passed away. For one, I was very disappointed because my childhood, I don't know about you guys. Amelia, what are you, a fucking ghost? I mean, Animal House. You wrote Animal House. Yeah. Groundhog Day. Dude. Caddyshack. Caddyshack. He was part of Caddyshack. He was basically a part of that whole National Lampoon late 70s, early 80s, funny as shit fucking comedy gold. Fuck, man. Yeah. So to hear the fact that he fucking passed away, that was fucking depressing. That really fucked me the fuck up. Then. He was young, too. He was very young. The thing that really bugged me out is the dating game. Jim Lange. Jim Lange. Oh, my God. Do you remember him? I kind of remember when I was really, really young. But again, that's a little before my time, but I thought it was hilarious. But this is what really tripped me out. Jack Steffen from A.D. Do. Jenny, play that commercial. Who knows what danger lurks in your plumbing? A.D. Do. Plumbing problems. Heating problems. Call who? A.D. Do. Replace old fixtures. Clean those drains. Who can do? A.D. Do. Fast, reliable service. 1-800-554-5858 gets who? A.D. Do. Since 1949, A.D. Plumbing and heating. You never know what to rely on. Since 1949 to 2014. A.D. Do. That's who. You got to understand something. When you grow up as a kid watching television because you have no friends and you're a fucking piece of shit and your parents aren't fucking any help. The TV's the babysitter. Yeah, and you really, I don't know about, you know, you connect. I mean, you connect. I mean, when Billy Jack died, his ruling fucking is beyond me right now, but I mean, when he passed away, like, I literally learned morality and like the whole how to be as a man from that character. And so like, I mean, Jack Steffen, yeah, I mean, I mean, he never worked on my plumbing, but I love these commercials. Well, did Cal Worthington ever make you want to buy a car? No, but do you see like when you would see these commercials, by the way, what happened to the advertising magazines? You'll never see these commercials. They have their personality, super much. They're filled with super characters. Cal Worthington. I couldn't tell you how long I thought I said pussy Cal. There's actually a band. Pussy Cal. He got a lot of pussy, my friend. No, no, no. He made a lot of money off those car lots. A friend of mine has a band called Pussy Cal for those exact reasons. I'm wondering, counselor, because I know that the dad from the Waltons died. He died recently, too. Did dad have the same effect? No, I didn't give a fuck about the Waltons, but you know what bugged me out, though, was Jim. Jenny? Jim Lang. Remember this? Yeah. And this is what's even more sadder, is I always wanted to be on that show. Thought you would do well? I don't know. Could you, could you imagine, why is fucking Garriott Tony's? What would your questions for the young ladies? Well, could you imagine, like, do you like frozen Twix bars shoved up your rectum? Have you, have you seen, have you seen that episode of the dating game when Latka was on there? Andy Kaufman. Andy Kaufman, when he was on there, like, he was, and it wasn't like a shtick, like, they thought he was like a single guy, you know, looking for a, could you imagine, could you imagine Jim Lang introducing me like, bachelor number one is a self-professed Satanist, sexual deviant, and sociopath. He loves to choke, fist, vomit, and urinate on women, consensually, of course. Of course. Loves to participate in gluttony worship and has an immense knowledge, of real underground music, and is a host of his very own radio show. Please welcome Jimmy Cavs. Could you imagine like, bachelor number two would be Gonorrhea Tony. Gonorrhea Tony! Bachelor number two. He's an aspiring pornographic actor who really wants to find a connection with women. He likes long walks along the beach, and he likes horseback riding, and he makes his own yogurt. Please welcome Gonorrhea Tony. You know, when these type of figures pass away, man, it just really enforces, it reinforces my age and our mortality and it also, it sheds light on where we're at now in 2014. I mean, I mean, again, the overall thing is we are, we as a whole, and the earth are in the, are still in the midst of a serious fucking change, man. Like, the dust will not settle for at least, at least another decade. So all this change about, that's, and again, that part of that symbolizes that people are dying. Like, you know, people from, I mean, of a certain era, like, they're, Harold Ramis, he's, of a certain era, unfortunate. Like, I wish he could still be doing movies today, but it's just not the case, man. Yeah, man. It's really mind-blowing and then, again, you know, like, on Friday, as I mentioned, this lovely young lady comes up and approaches me, right? Mm-hmm. And I'm always complaining about, you know, the whole struggle of my past. It's, I was hanging out with Full Head of Hair Eric, who, as we both know, that fucking guy. Got, got, once again, he has guns. You know what? He shared a story. He's happily married now, so just in case he's listening. By the way, he has God's carpet on his hair, much like Emilio. Dude, he's great, but he shared with me this story about how he went to a concert and he, like, fucked through two or three chicks on the same fucking day. Wow. And I'm sitting there going, I'll never experience that. And then here comes this lovely lady. She approaches me, you know, hey, how you doing? And I'm, like, standing there like a retard, like, I'm standing there like some dorky boy. I didn't know what to say. I'm Jimmy Cavs. All right. Another reason why I'm pissed is because the whole Manowar thing came and went, but the after effects. Do we have, let's play the Metal Gandhi's theme music. Do we have the Metal Gandhi on the line? Are you there? Yeah, I'm here. Man, what's up? Hey, man. You know what? I had a really, really rough week with a lot of these current events. Is he at a bus stop right now? One of the things that really disturbed me, I usually enjoy reading your reviews. I've shared that with you. I like reading your reviews because I'm starting to get to that point where I hate going out. So, like, I miss a lot of shows and when I read your reviews, I feel like I'm there, but... Well, thanks, man. I like that. Yes, but let me get this straight. So, I was reading your Manowar review. Uh-huh. Well, obviously, you didn't agree with it. Well, that's why I wanted to talk to you. Let me get this straight. So, obviously, there was a big controversy and I noticed that it was within the generations. Like, the younger generation, they didn't give a fuck. They were going to pay whatever the fuck they wanted to pay. Yeah. The older generation... That place was bad. I mean, you know, even I was surprised. You know, to be honest with you, even I was the same opinion as you before the show and I was going to... I went into the show with the mentality that I was going to, you know, criticize their ticket prices and everything, but, yeah. But let me get this straight. So, you've gone on the record to say that that ticket price was justified? Yeah, I mean, because... Oh, you're out of your fucking mind. Well, they said that they put on a show and they got a record for the show. You're a fucking idiot. Hey, B. Can you believe that? You're a fucking idiot. Justified. Justified. A hundred bucks. Now, let's be fair. Let's be fair here. Let's give the medal gone to you. I'm getting some disturbance on your side for some reason. Hang on a minute. You're a fucking idiot. Fucking idiot. Fucking idiot. All right. God rest his soul, brother. Please share with me why you feel that that ticket price was justified. And I'm not being a smartass. I really want to know. Why do you feel... Well, the first thing is... Yeah, well, the first reason is that they don't play every year. I mean, it's not like you're seeing the band every year. I mean, if that was the case, then obviously that price would not be justified. But this was their first show in L.A. in, like, a long time. So for that reason... Real quick, we're getting a bad reception from you. Can you, like, try to... Are you somewhere where you're getting a bad reception? Yeah, stay out of a bus stop. No, I mean, part of it is also... I mean, there are tons of bands that don't tour every year. I mean, Neurosis, they tour, what, maybe once, twice a year? Dude, no way would they charge a hundred bucks, and no way would I pay a hundred bucks. The last time Man of War, like I said it before, the last time Man of War played here was at the fucking Whiskey, and that shit was probably at the most 20 bucks. Okay, well, why do you feel, again, that... That price is... They put a lot of money into the production aspect. Dude, Roger Waters does the wall... For less than a hundred bucks. For less than a hundred dollars. He does the wall. You're familiar with Roger Waters and the spectacular wall performance? Yeah. At the Forum? Yeah, at the Forum. This is at, what, Pomona and Pomona? The fucking Fox Theater. That's basically the... Are there chandeliers hanging from that place? It's the Fonda in the desert. Ah, I'm mind-blown. I'm really... I genuinely am curious as to why... I mean, you know, I guess you have to be there to see what I saw, you know? Okay, well, I don't want you to feel that we're bashing you because we're not. I just wanted to seriously get... Because, again, you got to remember you're sitting here with, like, old fuckers. But I seriously wanted to know, like, what would make you go on the record and say that that price and that show was well worth that? I understand that there's a young, new generation of extreme metal fans that, you know, they look at these opportunities to see these bands now and it's an experience. They want excitement. They want to be a part. What I think mainly is that it's an event because, like, they haven't played in a long time. So it's not like just some band was playing every year, you know? So that was the main thing. That's why people probably paid the price. Like, if Manowar comes back next year with the same ticket price, it probably would not be the same turnout, you know? Dude, the one thing I heard that I actually made it a point to look it up as to why the tickets were so expensive is because of these special soundproofing curtains. No. Ridiculous. Uh, fuck no. Listen, when you go and you, I mean, again, I respect your opinion. I want to make that clear. But when you, when you endorse something like this, let me throw another thing at you. And Emilio, you're of my age here, so you can... I'm in your age demographic. It sets a precedent. It really does. What it really does is, number one, I understand, and as I mentioned before, the excitement of the young. I think the fact that the young people and their common sense has completely been eradicated from their minds, but whatever. But it sets a fucking precedent. And I don't care what example or what they justify it. It's fucking robbery. I agree. That's a very good way to put it. It sets a precedent because who's to think, you know, some other random band from 30 years ago is going to charge $150 to play some, you know... Okay, here's a prime example. I paid $100 to see Prince at the House of Blues. Not the big House of Blues, but the upstairs, small, smaller, kind of clubby clubs. Like more of a... Fountain room. Yeah, thank you. Prince was as close as I am to you. That was worth $150. Not fucking curtains. Sorry, dude. Uh-uh. Prince was in my face. Well, the only reason... Not fucking Prince. You know, and it's fucking Prince. You know, I'm sure we could sit around and throw shit around. I just wanted to know, like, because I have shared with you that I respect what you do and you tend to always be on point, but I was a little shocked that you agreed with that and endorsed that. I found that to be somewhat disturbing. That's what I honestly thought. You know, I mean, I'm not going to sit and think that other people would, you know, would think of me in a bad way if I wrote this. You know, that's not what I think when I write, so... Right, right on. Well, you know, hey, that's your opinion. You stand by it. That's how you felt. More power to you. I just wanted to, you know, we keep it real here. I thought that was fine. I mean, it has to be... That was outrageous. No, it has to be questioned. I mean, you just can't charge that amount of money on the fucking basis of curtains and not be like, no. Why? I would love... You have to have some very fucking special curtains for that kind of shit. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they even... Didn't they address that at the show and say that they are not worth $20 and that their fans are not... Did they say something like that? Well, yeah. Joey DeMaio came out like before the encore. He actually addressed the issue of the ticket prices. Oh, God. Yeah, he was like, oh, boy. What a dick. He rubbed it in everybody's face. He didn't say about the $20 thing. I don't know what that was about. All right. I might have misread this. I'm sorry. The one... You know, ticket price aside, now I'm curious, what were they wearing? They didn't spend all that money on loincloths, did they? Yeah, exactly. Nothing... No loins. No. No. Just regular, like, leather and denim, I think. Oh, boy. All right. Well, I mean, you know, this is now... I'm officially gonna say I'm an old man. You remember when you were dealing with old men, they'd be like, you young whippersnappers, you don't know what the fuck... All right. I don't want to... I don't want to insult anybody, but... Get out of my Manowar t-shirt, you little punk. You know what? Fuck Manowar. They could charge fucking $100,000, $2,000. You'll never see me there. Yeah, you'll never see me there. I'm not gonna contribute to that fucking precedent. But anyways, Metal Assault, Andrew, I want to thank you for facing the continent here. No. We respect your opinion here. I, you know... We actually like you, so... Yeah, you know, hey. Yeah, no worries. If that's how you felt, that's how you felt. I just had to know, like, well, what the fuck is... I mean, like I mentioned again, before, Roger Waters throws an impeccable show with the wall and all that, and he doesn't charge $100. Yeah. All right, Andrew. Well, thank you, man. Why don't you give everybody your site so people go check out your great interviews that you conduct, because you're all over the place. Yeah, it's... Just go to metalassault.com and find everything there. It's always updated with new content every day, so, yeah. Right on, my friend. All right. Thank you for being on, bro. Yeah, all right, man. Take care. Bye. All right. I still don't... Insane. Insane. We're in an insane world. I mean, there's Soviet subs off the coast of Florida doing gives a fuck, and... People are paying $100 to see Manowar. How disturbing is that? Well, you know, we played some songs in between all that, so let's go into that and segue so we can play some more songs. We started the set with another band from England that actually are from England, unlike Manowar. Iron Maiden. Invader is a song from the record The Classic. You all know it and love it and have it in between your ears at all times. The number of the beast. After that, we heard Hyrax, who will be on the show next Sunday. That's right. So hold your noses and breath, kiddies. Black Smoke from their record Immortal Legacy. And we ended the set properly with Exciter, the song World War III from their record Heavy Metal Maniac. And there's four of them in this very room right now. All right. Let's get things started here after this whole fiasco. Fucking... Let's all take a breather now. Yeah. Hands off, Jenny. Hit it! From the Chuck Beres stages in Hollywood, California, it's The Dating Game. And here's the star of the show and your host, Jim Plank. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you and welcome once again to The Dating Game. Well, it's time to meet our first three eligible bachelors for game number one. And here are the bachelors of the year. The playmakers play. The playmakers play. and good luck to all of you. We'll see you next time. 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We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. I mean, the guy's amazing and stuff, but that fucking smoke. It definitely adds to the vibe. I saw a couple of people that had asthma. They're like, they're awesome, eh? They're fucking really good. The funniest thing throughout their set was, I don't know Farron's lightning sword's name, but, you know, he's doing his thing in between songs. And then the drummer was like, can I get a bit more drum mic? Can I get some? I'm like, oh, dude. He's like, I'll give the guy his vocals and the drum mic. It was pretty funny. Another band that I really want to thank and point out was Shroud Eater. Yeah. You know, those girls and One Gent were amazing, man. Heavy, powerful players. Coming out of Miami, Florida, which that state is, they're out of their minds, too. That's another red state that's crazy. Yeah, freak show. They were great. So if you haven't heard of Shroud Eater. Or Weaver. Or if you haven't heard of the Lightning Swords of Death or Ancient Altar, you know what? Get on board. Get out of my city, please. Get on board and don't subscribe to this fucking $100 fucking general admittance. Because they have curtains. I have to say, I was a big, I was gladly and pleasantly surprised with Orb Weaver. I mean, those guys and gal can fucking play. And those of you who don't know, it features one of the guys from Gigan, who I just recently got turned on to. Those guys are fucking amazing. Psychedelic. Technical death metal. Sign me up. I'm a fan. The only thing that was annoying about that night, there's this, I've been noticing lately that, especially this one individual, this one like hipster fucking photographer guy. I get it. You know, like you're a real photographer. You can tell he's a real photographer. He's not like Mars Castro fucking, you know, trying to hit up chicks. Oh my God. Right? You know. Hey, can I do a private session with you? Hey, never mind that duct tape and rope. It's cool, man. Get in my trunk. I swear you'll look great in it. No, it's a great. With your fishnets. Great view down there. I got a little air hole for you. Just look natural. But you know what's interesting is, is like you've seen this camera, right? Like I'm going to, this is my professional underground. It takes great pictures. Yeah. Yeah. But you know, this is. When it has batteries in it. This is my camera, right? And here's this fucking guy and he's like, like a fucking war correspondent. He's in front of me. Full on fucking paparazzi guy. And I'm like sitting there going, you know what? Fuck is, Guatemala and Frank had more fucking decency than you. At least Guatemala and Frank would just stand in front of you. Yeah. And block the entire show. But. But. But you know, you could move. This guy, like you, I'm moving here and I'm moving there. And he's just like all over the fucking place. Yeah. It's driving me nuts. All right. Connery of Tony's online. What do you want, Tony? What's up, Jimmy? You're supposed to be on next week. What do you want? Just want to say hi, dude. What's up? Hey. So like, are you having like a relapse with the whores? What's the story, man? I'm just, I'm just tripping out. That's it. You just have to do that. Have you followed, have you followed. Not big at all, by the way. Have you followed Dr. Lamour's advice that she gave you? I mean, what's going on? Yeah, yeah. I'm just tripping out. I just want to get some pussy for $30. You know, try to hang in there. We're going to bring you in next week. And then what's the deal, man? You want to go into porn now? Is that true? Yeah, I want to be a porn star, dude. Okay. Now, are you, are you, I don't want to make this a whole segment about you. Because I don't want to make this a whole segment about you. Because I got FCD and Tormentor waiting for me. But real quick, are you aware of how demanding that job is? These porn guys, I mean, I've been to some porn shoots. As have I. First of all, I felt like a homosexual because I was just staring at them. They're all hairless? Like, wow. Wow, that guy's ball sack is so smooth. Wow, that guy's really pounding that girl. He's letting her have it. He's lasted a long time. But I mean, I mean, Tony. What's up? I mean, are you aware of how demanding that career is? I mean, I can just. I can just imagine your fucking guanajuato fucking hairy ass, bro. Like. Not only that, you have to have a, you have to maintain, not just have, maintain an erection. Do you know that foreskins in porn is not cool? There's a finish to that. Do you know that foreskins in porn is not cool? Right, Jenny? You don't want to see porn dudes with foreskins, right? Happy hoods, as I like to call them. No docking, no docking. Yeah, no docking. All right, we're going to try to help you out here, man. You're coming in next week. I'm. I'm trying to get some porn connections for you. Dude, seriously, we need to do a fucking real deal in tribute to Jim Lang, that's his name, do a dating game. Oh, my God. You know who I was talking about earlier. I want to give out a shout out on the air. Oh, boy. All right, hurry up. Make it quick, son. I want to give a shout out to my nigga Jimmy Cavs. I want to give out a shout out to. Hey, all right, come in. Come in next week and bring my toilet paper and Q-tips that you bought for me at Target. Hey, if you're smoking, save that shit for me, too. I want to give out a shout out. I want to give out a shout out to the guys from Crescia. Yeah, man. So I'll see you guys next week, man. All right, my friend. Take it easy. All right. Interesting. Oh, boy. We're going to get Mike Abominator online because the new Grave Hill is really great. And they're going to be playing a record release show coming up this Saturday, which would be what? March 8th. March 8th. So hands off, Jenny. Hit it. All right. Will Lindsay of Indian. What's going on, man? Welcome to the Very Mad at Jimmy Cavs show. How you doing? Oh, it's going good. It's going good. Good to talk to you again. Yeah, man. It's been a while. You know what? Let's get right into this because let me just first start off by saying your new album. Yeah. I know. The dark and the fear All you and you inside I have no place here No place here No place here No place here No place here My dear My dear My dear My dear We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. man i would say it really shows a comfort level amongst the bandmates and and it has again like i mentioned before that that human element is really relevant dude where i mean you you can when you listen to this record you can picture you can see just four dudes just bashing the shit out of their fucking instruments man and just really giving it to you raw dude so uh it's very relevant on this record oh that's really cool to hear that stuff i mean that really is what it is it's uh you know it's not some you know pagan black metal fucking fantasy bullshit or anything like that it's uh you know it's yeah we're just four real people you know i mean you've seen us play you know or you know we turn all the lights up bright and we just you know we don't talk we just we just do it i think i think uh what's really really uh captivating about your band is you mentioned you don't rely on any form of uh stage antics you don't rely on imagery you just really just let the music do the talking do you find yourself uh especially now present day uh the fact that you're taking it upon yourself to break literally new ground again because there's been such a such a disconnect with these so-called extreme bands where they focus more on the whole showmanship than the music dude i you know and i've i've that's that's never that's never sat well with me especially like the bands that like they really like to talk a big extreme game i mean yeah you know you're trying to sound transgressive and controversial and you just spent an hour putting fucking makeup on go fuck yourself yeah we're fucking spending three hours driving spikes through a leather bracelet you want to talk about being extreme fuck you yeah yeah you know the uh what i like to say is that i like about india the last time that i talked to you we talked about the outlaw element and uh i think a lot of it has to do with like your own musical preferences and stuff like that but what i like is is the outlaw element is really coming out in a reformed way where like you're re-shocking the listener you're re-shocking the the person watching you play live because there is nothing heavier than than being real and being human man you know what i mean absolutely i mean that's like that's uh that's so that's i think that's always why uh black flag really has been my favorite band because that's uh well up to 1986 i mean fuck all that idiocy they're doing now but yeah i agree with you know black flag in the 80s i mean that was like you know those records you know the live footage i've seen like reading the rollins books reading interviews with the band from back then like that's like zero bullshit that's just 100 the real deal and that's always what i want to do all right we had a little mishap there uh we were supposed to talk to mike abominator sincere apologies to mike abominator abominator has a show coming up record release show for the new grave hill album which is a fucking great album called death curse that's going to be march 8th at the complex make sure you get out to that what we heard there was a very sincere truly real interview with lindsey of indian they have a new record out right now on relapse records which is called from all purity which i suggest everybody to check out let's get to part two of that interview and then we're going to get into fatal catastrophic demolishing noise jenny hit it let me ask you this having that set of mind and following that uh integrity is it hard for you to make a video because then the video i thought came up very quickly and i'm not sure if you're going to make it very well dude and what i'm referring to is rhetoric of no you know i was uh i was really reticent about that i've never i mean never been and i've ever done that before and i wasn't actually involved in the making of that at all that was uh entirely um the video artist and uh bill and our guitar player senior uh the two of that the two of them collaborated to make that happen and it was it was a relapse relapse uh was the one that asked it to happen and you know put us in touch with the artist and uh she did a really good job and i still don't know this kind of thing that i i i wouldn't go out of my way to make a video but um you know if it's something like that that comes out like that i'm not uh i'm not entirely opposed to it either well i really like the fact that uh like i mentioned man it just really captures the band and and it really keeps the integrity factor you know what i mean because like when you think of a video even though we're living in you know 2014 you you still think of you know the the whole dissection of being real you know but that video really really captures i think the essence of the band man and it really reflects what the record is yeah i mean it really uh you know i think uh it really captured a lot of what bill and i had going on with the lyrics which i don't really want to get into i don't really you know want to talk about what other people about other people's words but uh having read the lyrics and you know knowing dylan and being in the band and everything it's uh i think yeah it ends up being very representative and uh you know really grateful to you know relapse didn't try to water it down or make it you know make it more palatable to the world or anything like that like you know uh maddie and uh maddie and dylan uh did that video and relapse like great there it is not safe for work fuck it yeah cool man let's talk about europe you're going out in europe in april correct okay what about united states when are you going to be touring the states we're working up um we're working on right now we're planning out a trip to the northeast in canada which is going to most likely be in june although the uh the dates and the routing are still uh still being worked out and we're working we're planning we're we're talking about the west coast it's still um it's still up in the air whether it's going to be in the fall or in the winter but we're going to make it out to the west coast you know before it's too terribly long i mean it's been too long since we've been out there yeah i know man why are we why are we being punished man it's uh it's pretty bad it's pretty barren places to play between here and you know between here and there and uh and we haven't done it the last actually last time i saw you was the last tour of the band did yeah um you know things were uh nothing rough with the band for a couple of years so you know we took some time off and uh you know had to kick a guy out of the band and it's uh so yeah it hasn't just been the west coast what the west coast is actually where we've been to most recently okay so let me ask you this man because this is something that i really really want to know how do you feel man do you feel that the people that are watching you can actually absorb what you're doing on stage how do you feel man do you feel that you're doing on stage how do you feel Because the last time I saw you, it was just crushing, dude. Yeah, I mean, I'd like to, you know, I'd like to think that, you know, that that intensity and, you know, our intensity and devotion during our lives, that I would hope that that would translate, or translate's not the right word, but I would hope that people in the audience would be able to relate to it or feel it in some way, because it's, you know, it's 100% sincere. You know, there's no posing going on up there. And, you know, I would hope that that would transfer and that, you know, that people were feeling that. Final words. The record is out on relapse. The reviews are coming in and they're fucking phenomenal. How do you feel about the interpretation of the record? I know. I asked you this before, but is it something, because I get the impression that you guys are so sincere and you're so true to yourselves that you guys don't even give a fuck. I mean, that's true. We really don't give a fuck. What the reviews were going to say was the absolute furthest thing from our mind while we were writing and recording. And, you know, it is interesting to read them, though, and they've been far more positive than I expected. I've really been kind of. I've really been surprised because, you know, we sent it to relapse and they loved it. But, you know, all the guys at relapse that we're in touch with, all of them were like, yeah, this is a really hard record to listen to. And we've been hearing that kind of universally. The people really like it. And, you know, it's actually, you know, this record is doing more. You know, this record is garnering far more positive attention than Guiltless was. And, I mean, not that Guiltless was an accessible record. But. normal standards, but it was certainly far more accessible than what we're doing now. Thank you for taking the time to talk to me. Yeah, anytime, Jimmy. It was good to talk to you. All right. I want to thank very sincerely Will Lindsay of Indian. As I mentioned before, they have a new record out on Relapse Record Call from All Purity. It is indeed one of the sickest, truest, truest raw record. Very heavy. Hopefully they'll be coming back out here in their touring cycle. Yeah, that band is amazing, man. Incredible. All right, let's get to it here. How do I begin this? This is very interesting Lost Johnny because I believe this is a very deep history we're going back into. Yeah, you know what? I'm going to be very candid and very honest. Let me first of all welcome FCDN Tormentor. That's right. Let me also mention this. First of all, thank you for being here. Yeah, you too. Especially you, Rollo, because I know you. Let me first mention that I intend to be very honest. I intend to be very candid and I don't want to offend anybody, but if I do... Oops. Yeah, this is just my opinion. And I'm directing this to the other Tormentors and God knows, or the other bands that I'm going to probably offend. Counselor, this is also for my personal benefit. I think a backstory is in order because I don't know who these guys are. They look like swell gents. Who are you, by the way? And you know what? Actually, Lost Johnny, I'm glad that you mentioned that because this is a band that came out in, I would say, what, early 84? No, way before. Way before that? Okay, well, when I was aware of you, it was 1984, but this is a band that was literally groundbreaking that came from Los Angeles and what I just found out right now, I was always under the assumption you were from East Los Angeles. One of the things I think they're trying to tell you in front of the camera, man. Yeah, in front of the camera. Tormentor, still destructive. It happens. Demolish it. On to the next generation of destruction. Here's the deal. There was a pivotal time in 84 through 85, 86, where there was a resurgence in East LA, not only Los Angeles, but in East LA, of some incredible bands that, were going on the second wave of what bands like Slayer and stuff had done. But, at the same time, there was only one band that was literally groundbreaking. And what I mean by that, and I'll define that, a band that really came out into the scene, that had this intense creativity of what did not exist before. Before Blast Beats, before The Grindcore, before the whole, definition of aggression. There was a band that had labeled themselves as fatal, catastrophic, demolishing noise. That band. Well, whatever. I've been drinking. Give me a break. Fatal, catastrophic, demolishing noise. But what was interesting to me was that at the time when you were playing, people didn't get it. And that is usually a great thing. We didn't get it. Yeah, and we're gonna get all into that. What bothers me, though, in like, And like what Lost Johnny said is the historical factor after that. This is what enrages me is that there were so many bands that came around. And yeah, it was great. There was an amazing scene or what have you. But somehow throughout time, these bands that were really not pivotal, they get recognized now as this groundbreaking pivotal band. And the band that really should be recognized should be FCD and Tormentor. And you have it. Thank you. Thanks, Jimmy. Really? That's one of the reasons why we're happy to be getting on the Grand Corps, just to do that. Because like I mentioned to the guys, it's been 30 years since I joined the band. So for me, this summer means a lot. So we're still here. We're still alive. And why not do it again? Yeah, you know, there's so much to talk about. We're going to definitely get to that. The fact that you reunited and stuff. But one of the things that's very, very interesting is let's talk about that era when you reformed. Because this is where, and by all means, me neither. You're not a reformed band. You're here. You're not a ghost. Let's go back to 1984. There was this whole metal scene in Los Angeles. But there was a subculture. There was an underground. There was an underground that was at the time pivotal and being influenced by like the punk, by the rage, by aggressive real metal. Los Angeles always gets a bad label, man. They always get tagged with the whole glam rock fucking thing. There was this thriving. Thriving fucking amazing scene. But in East L.A. there was an amazing scene going on. I think that's a very important thing to point out. East L.A. as a connection to the whole city gets a bad rap and is often forgotten. And I can attest to this. It goes back, like you guys are saying, the punk and metal thing, the East L.A. bands have contributed way more than they're actually recognized for. And that is a crime. Well, here's something. And this is very interesting. I've gone 30 years thinking that FCDN Tormentor was from East L.A. And you're not, correct? No, we're not. Okay, so question number one. How did that happen? Well, actually, the one that comes close to being in East L.A. would be Eddie. Because he grew up sometime in Boyle Heights. Okay. Not really. I was from Highland Park. Yeah, but the thing is that we were playing a lot of gigs in East L.A. You played incredible. To this day, they're historic gigs. The gigs like, you know, like at the All Nations. Emilio, help me out here. Yeah. All those. The gigs that you were playing in East L.A. Parties in El Sereno and all that. I had no idea you were not from there. So where are you from? Compton? No, well. Actually, CPT. Everybody lived everywhere. I'll tell you. T.G. Chile. Nicaragua. Puerto Rico. El Salvador. No, we. That's where we're from. We actually. Yeah. Go ahead, Danny. We got. We're off. I lived in Echo Park with Javier and Arcadio. Okay. Eddie and no, Raul and Raul lived in Cypress Park. Cypress Park. And then Eddie lived in Highland Park. But we were playing and I went to school in Highland Park, too. So and I don't know. I think if you were being labeled as an East L.A. band, even like back then. And then what happened was, you know, we rehearsed where we could. Most of the time we were rehearsed at Raul's house way back then in Cypress. And then when my parents finally got a house. We we ended up. Pico Union. Nursing in my in my parents basement in Pico Union area. Burlington. Yeah. It's just right up the street from the Staples Center. But we used to meet at after school at Nightingale. And that's how we would get like together to go. Let's go practice. We're going to go practice that, you know. So we were just basically on both sides of Dodger Stadium. You know, that's that's you know. So it's an overall. Probably more of central is the Echo Park area. That's where we're from. All right. Yeah. It's an overall just basically east of the river for the most part. But I moved out of the neighborhood. I went to I lived in Compton. And that's where the band moved at one time to practice. Oh, yeah. Okay. Well, you know, geographically, it's important to LA, man. That's it. The point is, is when you guys came out, you were doing something that was way ahead of your time. You were a band that literally stood out amongst all the other bands. And I'm not putting down the other bands, but you literally did stand out. And for me, it's highly criminal even now that you're not recognized. It's highly criminal for me. The fact that you do not get the respect that you deserve. I've had a lot of artists on here that I've invited that I've had this similar sentiment with. But this is very, very close to me because Emilio and I, there was a record store before Dark Realm. There was a record store before Wild Rags. Yeah, there was a. Depths of Covina. There was a record store in Covina called Private Eye Records, which which I would say I would say. And again, no disrespect to the other record stores, as each each and every independent record store, they really serve a purpose they've done. They've really served a purpose for their time. But Private Eye was literally the first true real underground extreme special place to be in. It really was. And at the time, Cruz, the owner, you know, he was he was an believer. I sent you some pictures. I'm not sure if he's deaf. He's interesting. But that place was like it was incredible. It was like music. You go in there. Oh, yeah. Like no other record store around. There was no there was literally no other record store like that. Yeah. You know, literally he was again ahead of his time. So you guys, the beauty of him, though, is which I have this sentiment. Like, I wonder if I would be like him is like he would he would have these kids come in and he would be like, Hey, have you heard this? Oh, yeah. Any occasions that's what I would walk in and he would bust out this creator album. You just look at me and say, yeah. You know, the creator was crazy. And being that we were under the poser, he was underground kids, right? Again, this is before the Internet. This, you know, everything was done organically. The scene was organic. It was true worldwide. We were tape traders. He recognized that. So we had this relationship with him where we would where we would turn him on to demos of good bands. And then, you know, he would turn us on to vinyl, what have you. When he decided to have a record label to to go and form a record label, we were the first band that's. We were the first guys that recommended FCD and Tormentor. That's how pivotal you are. Thank you for that. And we're going to get into that right now. There's so much to talk about. Well, why don't we reminisce that legendary demo? For those of you now that are my age or that you're not my age, you need to really seek out this demo because this demo really represents true, raw, real underground music in 1985, 86, man. And, you know, I'm really good friends with Oscar Garcia from Ozzy. He's another artist that finally finally is also good. Yeah, he's another one that finally is getting the recognition. So I mean, I'm glad that this is happening. But why don't we turn on my audience to FCD and Tormentor? Jenny, hit it. Our homeboys take pride in telling the history of our body because white people leave out a lot of stuff when they tell it. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right, all right. Let's get it back together. This is like a fucking detention room. But going back to that, the other band from Tormentor, the other band from Tormentor from Europe. Creator. Creator. We came across, I don't know how we came across, but there was another band. So we took it on an initiative to change the name at the time. But we just weren't comfortable by the names we were coming up with. Right. And then Danny just came up with, what if we just put FCDN Tormentor? I said, well, what's FCDN? What does it mean? And he said it, and I'm like, what does it mean? I didn't know what it meant until I grew up into it and said, oh, whatever, I don't care. It really captured the essence of the band. Oh, yeah. It really did. It did, yeah. So getting back to the original question, how do you feel now, you know, 30-something years later that there's a band using that name that has no clue who you are? Well, we are who we are, you know. We came out 30-plus years ago, so it doesn't matter. Instinctively, I don't think I have a reaction for someone else having that name. It's interesting. I mean, it's a cool name, you know, but it really goes beyond the name, you know. I don't know what they may sound like, but I think the true definition is in the sound, you know, of what we put out of what we evolved, you know, from Dungeon Days, we like to call it, into, you know, the mid-80s. What's the name of the band? Let me hear what you're talking about. What's the name of the band? Tremendous. Tremendous. Tremendous. We are SCDN Tremendous. We're not Tremendous. I don't want, you know, contrary to proper belief, I'm not that much of a dick. You know, I don't want to bash that young band because, you know. Oh, yeah, yeah. And that's... I don't know about your... Wait a minute. That's a young band? Yeah. Very young. Okay, they're kids, though. Dude, they're... They don't know who you are. Put it that way. Okay. But here's the deal. I think we're all in similar age, so I'm at that point now in my life where, I get very agitated with the young, but at the same time, I find myself having these, like, very patient periods. What annoys me, and it's not their fault. It's not the young generation's fault. It's the motherfuckers that do not record history properly. Yeah. Which, again, I'm going to be saying this repetitively. Got it. So, Los Johnny, don't bust my balls. But anyways, what was the influence of that SCDN Tormentor pivotal sound from 1984 to which led to 1984? 1986, where that demo was released. What was the influence? Because, again, there was no grind car. No. There was nothing called blast speed. Rollo, there was nothing. Someone tap the fucker. Yeah. Come on. Yeah. What was the influence of that brutality, man? Discharge, DRI. It wasn't the human league. No. It wasn't the Scorpions. Showing them mercy. You know what I mean? Like a metal massacre. All right, one at a time because this sounds like a fucking... I kind of, I thought about that a little while ago because now we're so much older that, you know, I'll speak for myself. I have a daughter. You know, I have two daughters. But anyway, I was having, found myself in a conversation with these teenagers, right? And I said, hey, when I was your age, you know, kind of thing. You too? Yeah. So, what I'd like to sum up, the aggression, what I'd like to sum up, the influence of that whole brutality is about being defiant, being, having, standing up and saying, I'll say it like this. I'll say, standing up, putting your balls on the table and telling the world, what are you going to do? That's what it was about. It was, it was like, you know, we were so used to listening to, maybe the, you know, the hardest thing was like Black Sabbath. And, and, and then other bands that were coming up that were influential maybe have been like early. Were you influenced by like the punk scene at that time? Oh, yeah. Like Flag and stuff like that? Yeah. Well, Danny H was huge. Danny would, Danny would, buy a lot of records. D.R.I. The cool thing about that that he had an older brother that had a car, right? And he had the system. I like that. He had a car. So, yeah, we were like 13, 14. His brother was like, ah, let's go. And he would take us to Hollywood and we found this record store called, I don't know, Rock Shop or whatever. A Rock Shop, yeah. Dino used to work. We would go to the, to the records and we would just find, well, Danny would find it. Was Dino selling you the book? Yeah. He would find a punk song. That's right, before you. Before rock star, uh, stardom. Way back. Yeah, well, he would find all these records, punk stuff, whatever. He would just pick them up and then that's how we, I think that's how I got my influence on it. Okay, question number two. When you guys started writing material, now I know the inspiration, did you, did you guys realize at that time what you were creating would be similar to like other, uh, artists that are timeless? What you were writing was going to be timeless because, and again, let me say this boldly, uh, historians do not document and do not give you the credit. You could listen to that demo now and it is so relevant that it's 1986. Did you guys, were you aware of that when you were writing that? No, not really. Not really. I think our influence came off each other. Uh, I, I always got inspired when Raul or, you know, Raul would play or Eddie would come up with a riff and like, yeah, I like that. Uh, let me, let me do this. And it will, we will challenge each other in a sense. Yeah. For fun. And as far as like it being like, uh, so, so global or so, how much of an impact, very global. How much of an impact, the impact we were searching for was the impact it would have on like, is Eddie going to like this riff? Exactly. Much more regional. What will Raul do with this? Exactly. That, that was the impact we were searching. It wasn't, it wasn't outside the walls of the dungeon, you know, and it was, it was just like, what's he going to think about? And what are the lyrics of Danny, what's he going to do? Danny, Danny like is, is hugely responsible for, uh, polishing it all up because, you know, there was the riffs. They were random riffs that me, Eddie, and, and the rest of us would just do and put together. And then Danny would come up and, and all of a sudden he labeled it something genius, like blood and destruction. You know, it's like, what the hell? What does that mean? And, and you guys were really, you guys were really, and I'm not being sarcastic, but you guys were really riding that creative wave that, these artists that have these, this timeless music. Cause when you talk to like, say for instance, like, you know, Paul McCartney or whatever, they always say, Hey, you know what? We were just in the room. It was organic. And I had no fucking idea. Exactly. Let me direct this to you, Robert, because at the time, again, let me address the blast beats. Before Pete from Terrorizer got recognized, you were doing that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm not bashing. No, really. I was, I was, I was doing that. I love Terrorizer. And like I mentioned before, I have a great, I got a great relationship with Oscar Garcia, but the blast beats that I, that was the first time I heard it. Yeah. Well, it was from you. You know, Pete, we know him for a long time. You know, he used to come to our practice. He'd be back there and behind me at the Hoover Park watching me. And that was cool. He was a friend that used to come around and see us practice. And he was, he's the kind of drummer that would, when I tripped on him, when I first seen Pete, I'll never forget this. We were in Echo Park and there was, he was playing with his band. He used to practice at the Hully Gullies. They lit up a PCP. What? PCP joint. No, it was a cigarette. They dipped it in PCP and he smoked it here. This is real. This is super cool. And they looked at him and he took a puff and they passed it to me and he goes, nah, man, that's just too heavy for me. Come on, bro. Come on. That motherfucker went to the drums and he played the blast beat like nothing. I was like, damn. Do you feel that you were in it blast beat hard? Yes, I was. Yes. I think so. You should thank PCP for giving the world the blast beats. Let me just say, let me just say, let me just redirect it. First of all, I love having you guys here, but it's like being in high school again. It's cool. One of the things that needs to be addressed is, is at the time, Slayer was being recognized for who they were and Jeff Hanneman was a big FCD informant. Rest in peace. Definitely. Right? Actually, Tom, because Tom visited us a few times before Jeff was there. You know what, you're right. Yeah. He visited us, I think, twice. He even went to your house. He also went to the, what is it, KXAU? Yeah. Adam Bob. Adam Bob. He was here. Adam Bob was here a couple weeks back. He has given us the seal of approval. He passed the torch, right? That's why we're here. Thank you. Angel of death. All of this, I mean, again, I'm hearing you guys and again, it is like a high school, you know, detention scene, but no, all of this really, again, as an outsider who wasn't there, it all, adds context and that's a really big thing where what he was saying about what was the influence and not expecting it to be heard past LA. Exactly. Much less having the reference of saying like, oh, well, they were kind of on the same border lines as napalm death and like all the grand courses. They literally wore, Los Angeles, thank you for bringing that up. Let me just say this real quick and you're right. Not only was this band organic and from Los Angeles and, and, and didn't have any expectations of globally inspiring so many bands, but there was a little young guy in Birmingham, in his bedroom that created a record label called Earache. And through the beauty of tape trading, again, before the internet, I was proud to say that the fastest band in the world was FCD and Tormentor from East LA. Little did I know it was fucking wrong. Thanks a lot, guys. You couldn't ride that wave and just bullshit? But anyways. You wanted to keep it real, right? Yeah. Keep it real. And he was boasting about a band in Birmingham called Napalm Death and we switched demos internationally through the postal service, right? Right, right, right. And this, I've shared this with you. He wanted to release, he wanted to sign and release you guys on Earache. But Cruise from Private Eye Records grabbed you first. And you know what? You played a monumental show in Los Angeles. We're going to play this live track here. At the time, Ozzy Osbourne was playing Long Beach Arena with Metallica who was supporting during the Masters of Puppets tour. Everybody was fucking raving about this show. Right down the block there was a little club called Fender's Ballroom which there's a mute next to me who named his crew. Right, you were there. I was there, definitely. All right. Fender's Ballroom was hosting the first United States tour of Celtic Frost and the supporting act was Voivod Running Wild. St. Vitus. Actually, no. They canceled, I think. No, they played. They all did. I remember all the spit that they were getting. Oh, St. Vitus. It was St. Vitus and FCD and Tormentor. Let's... Yes. I mean, hands up, Jenny. Let's take a time warp. Let's take a time machine. Take us back to Fender's. Hit it. Tormentor. This legend has come to bar. He's the ruler of this world. We must all ask to breathe. Let's go! Let's play. Let's play. Let's play. Let's play. Let's play. Let's play. Let's play. Let's play. Let's play. Let's play. Let's play. Let's play. Let's play. Let's play. Let's play. Let's play. Let's play. Let's play. beers We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We finally got a home. I mean, it took us four months, almost five months to locate a place. We started looking the day after we did the last one. It's taken this long to find a place. We've got some great bands here. We've got from Canada. We have Texas. And then, proud to say, we got FCD and Torm Eder back. That was a hard one. Yeah, you know what? I've got to tell you, man. Just when I thought you really couldn't outdo last year's lineup, you, again, proved me wrong. This is a really great lineup. Why don't you tell us who's playing this lineup? Oh, shoot. Do I even know? I'm kidding. We've got Wormock. Wormock's coming from Portland. I mean, they're old school, just like FCD and Torm Eder. We've got Phobia. They're all over the country, but they're here. They're going to play. We've got Nadia coming back. Nadia, how old are you? Fantastic. Love Lonnie. Oscar. Murder Construct. Warmaster. Warmaster. Warmaster. Warmaster. I mean, let me just... Yeah, we've got the Warmaster from Texas, Total Bowthrower style. And it's two stages, right? We have Artagas from a really great band from Canada. Wow. We've got some bands, you know, like Blood Cum. I mean, we've got Blood Cum back together. Yeah. Let me ask you this. How do you... Hunger Games. Let me ask you this. What did you say? The Hunger Games. The Hunger Games. The Hunger Games. The Hunger Games. I remember the Hunger Games. Let me ask you this, anyone from Tormentor. Back at that time, there was a very competitive, very, very extremely competitive scene going on. As I mentioned before, in my opinion, you guys were one of the leading groundbreaking bands. But there was so much hate with you guys, man. So much envy. So much... Like, you guys were like literally the target band. Yeah. It felt like you would show up at a show and... Whoever you were sharing the bill with, if you needed something like a cord or, you know, maybe even an extension cord or even a battery. Nine-volt fucking battery. No. No. Literally. No. You couldn't go on. I mean, they were telling us that we sucked. Boom. You guys suck. You guys ain't metal. You guys are punk. They kept telling us, faster or whatever, man. Just so we could do it faster. You guys don't know how to play. You guys suck. All right. So there was this whole competition thing where, like, it wasn't about... About the music. You know, as far as the camaraderie with other bands, it was very little. We found little camaraderie with some bands. And you can tell who, when you mention those bands, and we cheer. But as far as, like, overall camaraderie, just because you were in the band. People look at you like maybe you were infringing on their band base. Maybe you were infringing on their sales. You know, and everybody had a little booth, and they were trying to make a buck, and, you know... Well, let me say... Let me say this real quick. And, Dick, you're still on the line, right? Yeah. Okay, because I'm going to bring you into this. Let me just say this. At that time, when you were playing, you were playing amongst other bands. And I'm not talking shit about that scene. I thought it was fucking great. I wish I would see that now. But some of these bands, they, for whatever reason, had this entitlement fucking attitude. Or they thought they were the elite or whatever. They thought they... They were groundbreaking. One of the reasons why I... And, again, here, I know I'm going to draw heat. Hey, why don't you tell me the names of these bands? Are you making all these kind of vague references? Who are these bands? You know what? Why don't you shut up? Because I don't want to get my head in the paper. Everybody there knows. You're supposed to be real. If you were there... You're trying to run away on the books. But what... Where to believe the building. One of the things that I've always admired about you guys is how humble you guys were. Really. Really. And, I mean, like, for instance... That Celtic Frost fucking show that you played. I mean, Tom was there from Slayer. Very humble. You guys have always been very humble. Eddie always had a saying. He said, let the music speak for itself. He said, let's just play and let's just do what we got to do. But let me appease Lost Johnny here. Fucking dick. On this Grindcore show, this is very interesting. And let me mention these bands again. This is... You know, Enrique, you know I hate giving you praise. But I'm going to give you praise. This is a great lineup so far. Let me ask you this. Are you still adding bands to this? Or is this a solid lineup? It could go up or down right now at this point. I mean, we're waiting on a couple headliners. I mean, it's 50-50 on it. And if they go through, I mean, of course, our budget will shrink it a little bit. You mean? Well, I got to tell you... We may just add bands or we may just keep it just the way it is. I think, I mean, there's a lot of bands already as it is. I think it's 11 at this point. Napalm Death is here? What's that? Napalm Death? Yeah. You know what? I don't know if they'll be able to do it. They want to do it. But, you know, as far as their schedule is concerned, I'm not sure if they'll be able to do it after all. Let me just read this lineup so far, which is very impressive. Vermark. Fantastic band. Another highly underrated band. I don't know if you guys know this, but this band really influenced the... Especially in that geographic... In that geographical scene. I mean, like, the Alice in Chains guys and all that shit. Highly underrated band. Nasia. Legendary. Yes, sir. Phobia. Incredible. Why don't you help me with this pronunciation, Indriga? Because I always fuck this up. Yeah. Partagas? There you go. Thank you. Murder Construct. Warmaster. And then, this is interesting. FC Deantor Mantor and Bloodcum. Let me ask you this. How do you feel about playing with Bloodcum again? Because in my mind, in my memory, that was one of the bands that was kind of very competitive with you guys. No, they were homies. Yeah. There was... Listen, let's keep it real here. Those were the only ones... There was a very competitive thing going on there from the trenches, my perspective. It wasn't competitive. Bloodcum, they always opened up with... They always gave us open arms. Yeah, they get... Always. They were one of the cool bands? They were. Well, this is... You talk about supportive. This is in respective to us. Yeah. I don't know in relationship to anything else. They were cool with you guys? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That was slaying, nigga. They... We first... They first saw us at a Battle of the... Battle of the Bands. And they loved us. Back in October, Halloween night. That was there. At the Southgate Park with Dark Angel. Yeah. That was the first time they'd seen us. We played with Dark Angel. One at a time. That was the first time they'd seen us. And then later on, we connected with a friend of ours that went to Roosevelt High School and then connected with Eddie and Raul. Okay. But they always treated us with open arms. So how do you feel about playing with them now? 2014? I got a story to tell you. It just happened last month. I was at the NAMM show. And I was just going home. I walk out of the arena. And who do I run into? Johnny Araya. Wow. And yeah. Just out of the blue. There he was in the night. So we spoke. And I didn't know it at the time. But I didn't know that they were doing the show as well. Very excited that they're doing it. He told me that they're all original coming back and doing it. All original? Including? Including? Yeah. Wow. And that's the only way he said he would do it. But it was just... It was a one in a million chance. I mean, I could have gone out. Any... Any... Any of the doors that I wanted to. But there were... I went out and it was like, Hey, Javier, what's up? And there was Johnny. And we spoke. And we made sure we had each other's contact information and stuff. And it was... I'm looking forward to it. It's going to be a great show. Enrique, how can people get tickets for this show? You know what? Emma's going to be setting that up in the next couple of days. She's going to be going through brown paper tickets. You know, all the local record stores will have them available, I'd say, within 30 days, probably, max. I mean, it's still... I mean, you got to remember, we're still four months away. Yeah. Yeah, I know. I know you very well. You're a promotion king. But you know what? But you know what? I have to say, Jimmy, I don't know. You're talking about all these... All the local bands and the... You mean the little... Little battles, I guess, or whatever you want to call it. I mean, between each other. You got to remember, though, too, another important thing that nobody ever remembers is L.A.'s scene back there with F.C.N. and Tormander, Blood Come, Darkness L.A., Necrophagia. All these bands were extreme music in their own way. You could tell who... When Necrophagia played. You could tell when Tormander was on stage. Very well put. You're right. Yeah. Yeah, everyone on their own rights. Even though punk bands are like resistant militia, you know, you knew they were playing another punk band called L.K.K. Yeah. L.K.K. You know what? I don't know why there was so much... But there was. There was infighting within the scene, I guess. Not so much, like, hate towards it, but it was competitive. I think one of the things that goes highly criminal is the fact that that scene was not documented. That's what I... And it doesn't get recognized even now, but... We've toured around with it. But we're changing that now. Arcadio and I have toured around with the idea of documenting it, and we've talked about writing something like a book or some kind of historical... And that show was packed, too. At least what happened with us. You know I'm a writer, right? You know I'm an employee, right? What? Are you aware that I collect aluminum cans? One of the things back in that time, every band had their own style, regardless what music we played. If it's punk, whatever. Yeah. Everybody had their unique way of sounding. And the collidery, well, I'm not sure if I'm saying that word right, but when we all played together... It's okay. I fuck up. I butcher English. You don't have them when you go to school? So anyway, it was all unique at that time for everybody. Nowadays, when you hear a band, they all kind of sound similar to the same. You can't tell one band from another. No. So that was a lot. More than a lot of them. Hey, Jimmy, I got something I'll say about competitiveness that actually was a big fail for the successful... The successfulness of the music at the time. Just as the examples of competitiveness that you've put out, there was also like, for example, here we are, and then there'd be an offer on the table for some type of recording gig, right? Or some kind of production deal. And we would look at it to the point where like, well, why are they getting more money than we are? And that competitiveness would kick in again. Did that really happen amongst you guys? Oh, yeah. And so we would choose not to do a project or something like that. Based on the fact that you'd have somebody say, well, they're all going to own the artwork or they're going to own certain things that were about the album. Or we'd get nickel on the dollar. You know, it was just, it would be more of a principle kind of thing. And that competitiveness would nullify that deal. And then there went the advancement of the music. Yeah. You know what? We could fixate on that. I think I always think back to what would happen if, you know, like... You wouldn't have left the band? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay. We're going to get into this. Let's listen to some more. Excuse me. Didn't I? Uh-oh. Hands off, Jenny. Take us to some... Take it away. Take it away. Johnny Canales. Hit it. Thank you, Andrew. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. 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Seeing you grip to that other side, but if you're so sure of being in time, you'll be just sure of when to turn. Seeing you behind the blessing of life. Seeing you behind the blessing of life. Seeing you behind the blessing of life. Seeing you grip to that other side, but if you're so sure of being in time, you'll be just sure of when to turn. Turn. Turning. Turning. All right. Talk about old school right there. Lost Johnny, what did we hear? Oh, man. Heavy, heavy shit. Started the set properly with the song Death Velocity from the demo from 1986. And another blast from 86, Eternal Grave. And then we heard Birmingham's own Napalm Death Siege of Power from their first record, Scum. And we ended the set properly with Blood and Destruction, FCD and Tormentor, demo 84. Fuck, that's sick right there. Real quick, though. FCD and Tormentor is going to be playing the Grindcore Fest, as we mentioned. This is happening July 12, 2014 at a place called 311. This is at 333 South Boylston Street, Los Angeles. 9-Way. Below 17. Boylston Street. Woo-wee. Are you familiar with that place? Yes, I am. It's supposed to be a very great place. And let me just mention this. The Grindcore Fest, right now, as we speak, it features Verbach, Nausea. Ugh. Johnny, help me out here. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. Egg. at 14. Caller, you're on the air. Hey, what's happening? What's going on, man? Who are we talking to? Who are you? You're talking to Guy. Guy! Guy! What up, my buddy? Hey, what up, son? What up, nigga? I love you, Guy. All right, all right, all right. Settle down, son. Fuck that shit. No way. Hey, am I getting punk right now or what? Are you sure you're not for me, Salt Lake? No, man, I'm not. That's bombada, yo. All right, what can we do for you there? Guy Green, Guy Green. Share with us your pivotal memories of FCD and Tormentor. You know what? First of all, they were groundbreaking. Groundbreaking? My buddy, Vince, their guitar, their ex-guitar player, who I'm in a band with now, I call him Scene Gesture. Mr. Vince. You know, they were nothing like them. You know, nothing. And my first question is, are you guys coming out with a record? You know what? You just beat me to the punch, but yeah. We're coming out with a record. You guys have reformed. You guys are rehearsing to play the Grand Corps Fest. Are you guys writing or are you planning to write for a new record? Well, the only thing I can answer on that, it's my dream, is record the old Dungeon Days, the original, original. I know I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know. of the old school who remembered that pivotal area and remembered that monumental band. And then you're going to have all these young kids, right? Like, I don't know if you're aware of this. These young kids, they think they know it all. Oh, yeah. And they're great. Don't get me wrong. I don't want to sound like that dickhead old school. Actually, you know what? I'm not going to lie. I am that dickhead old school. But let me start off by saying, like, you're rehearsing now, and how do you feel now? Because, and again, let me be more honest. Dude, I wake up with lower lumbar pain, fucking high cholesterol, diabetes, balding. I mean, my pubic hair is gray. You know, I don't like to bone young chicks anymore. I mean, well, I'm in a relationship now. But before, I didn't like to bone young chicks. They want that whole, like, you know, you grab them against the wall. My fucking back goes out. I can go on. I can't store coke anymore. I'm afraid of a fucking stroke. I mean, I'm pissing blood. I mean, I can go on and on and on. Anyways. What a segue. Yeah. Let's breathe for a minute. I have a question. Is there any plans or is it already that what we've heard now, is there available somehow, like online or is it like a band camp thing where you can just hear and download the songs? Or is it just kind of like, well, if you don't have the tapes, you're fucked? Well, that's something that we or I always wanted to do, but it just falls down the pipeline, I guess. And hopefully we can bring something up that we can do something like that. But it's just a matter of us getting together and figuring that out. One of the things that we wanted to do this time around, if we ever did any kind of release of anything, because, I mean, we have, you know, when we started to collaborate all the stuff that we had, you know, people, you know, videos and pictures and stuff like that. Wait till you get my collection. We wanted to protect ourselves. And one of the things that we wanted to do was copyright some of our stuff. Ah, very wise. And so we started to do that. We started to do that process. And and and that was the first step. So now that we were we've protected ourselves with the writing of the songs and stuff like that, maybe now we can do something like that. And it's just so coincidentally, this show came up. And now, you know, like Arcadio said, it'd be great to to to maybe record some of the songs that were like back from the dungeon days and release them like that. But it's not anything definite. You know what? One thing. One thing. One thing I want to give credit is to my brother, Jaime, because he took a lot of pictures and a lot of videos that we have now. And because of him, you know, we have some of the old pictures back in Franklin days when we play the first time at that's great. That's great. Yes, he did. And so I think Raul has most of the videos, but we have a lot of pictures. I'm not giving some credit to the bootleggers that record. We're the ones that made FCD a tournament. And you know what? We're a lot. It's just it does. No, actually. Yeah. No, you know what? Buy me some. Buy me some beers. I know. You know what? Thank you guys, because we were getting letters from Spain, you know, Europe all over the world. I paid the postage. Yeah, thank you. I bought the assets. Luxembourg, Germany. This is before Internet. All right. We have a caller like caller. You're on the line. Who are you? Hey, Memo, you're on the line. Who are you? Hi, my name is Carmen. Hi, Carmen. What can we do for you? Oh, Carmen. I know there's both guys. I just want to say hello to them. Hey, cousin Danny. Hello. I gave you a hug here. Hey, Carmen. I'm Alicia. I love you. I love you. I love you. I think Carmen's calling me. Hold on a second. People were going for it. They come here. They just stop, you know. They come here. Hey, Carmen. I mean, I'm looking for you all the way, cousin. All right. So would you would you agree with my synopsis that FC, FC, the in tormentor was indeed a very pivotal and groundbreaking band? Mm hmm. Hello. Well, yeah, they were. And I like I said, I will support them and I will go see them again. And, you know, they were great. All right. I remember I had a great time when I saw them and they were doing good. A lot of people were cheering for them. And hey, keep up. All right. Well, thank you for coming. Nice to hear from you again. All right. How do you feel? How do you how do you seriously? It's 2014, man. She is. The scene has evolved. Immensely. I mean, there's sub genres now. There's been so many bands that have were that were influenced by you that went on and then they have influenced other bands where, as we talked about before, you know, unfortunately, you don't get that credit or you don't get documented. How do you feel now coming into 2014? I mean, I can see that the union is there, the energies are the camaraderie is there, but it's. I mean, it's 2014. Can you still deliver the FCDN element? You know what? Back practice on Friday, it was a good practice. And I think we can. And you got to remember, generations change. And what we're hearing now is back what we were doing back in 80 something. Eighty four. Eighty six. Do you really recognize that? Oh, yeah. Bands that are playing now. Do you know what you influence? It's just like I tell my son, you know, he's 16. I go. What you're doing now. I did it before, you know? Yeah. You know, and it's different generation, but it's basically you're going back to what we did, you know? Right. So, I mean, it is is might not be the same, same, same thing, but it's the same thing in some some way that, you know, we're going back to, you know, generations. Just like when you go back to heavy metal, just when you go back to whatever, you know, and it's the same thing, you know? And I think, you know, we did like you say, you know, we broke the ice. Do something different, something new, just like somebody else is going to come up and it's going to break the ice to something new, you know? Right. So Danny, I'm going to ask you a question. So will you want to do this again or not? Well, you know, it's a valid question. It's a very valid question because there is a period where Tormentor released a 45, a 45 on Deep Sick Record. Deep Sick Record. Sorry. Where I mean, I've shared it. I've shared this. I've shared this with you. So it's not insulting, but it just was disappointing. It was not Tormentor because I would say that it takes each and every one of you to really come together. Exactly. To create that. Oh, yeah. And I think you've learned from that, right? Like, you know. Oh, yeah. Obviously, obviously, if you're not if you're missing one element, then it's better to walk away from the project. Yeah. But, you know, you have to be in the moment to know what you would do at the time. You know, you needed to do what you needed to do to survive. You know. And it's you know, what would you do? I mean, do you do you try to do what the other person was doing that was not there anymore? Or do you just walk away? Why did you walk away? Why did you leave? Yeah. And, you know, it's just like every band. We have five heads. Five heads think different. And I was thinking different responsibilities. And, you know, it was just a different I was going through a different time in life, I guess. You know, at that. At that legendary All Nations show. Emilio. Yeah. All Nations. I saw something in your eyes. Actually, I even saw your attire. You look like you came from like Quinceañera or something. I might have. I might have. And you know what? In all honesty. He was going to a quesadilla. Was that was that your last show with Tormentor? Because it seemed like at that time you were done. I don't remember if that was my last show, but you know what? I'll never forget your slacks. I'll never forget your slacks. The last show Danny played with us was when we played with Morrit Angel at the country club at Reseda. Oh, Jesus. That was like about the early 90s. But you know what? You know, going back to that show, you know, that was my turning point, because at that show, I think if it was the same show, they were basically booting us out of that show. You know, they were screaming, you know, get off the stage. You know, whoever was next. I think who was it? Beowulf? I forgot who it was. What happened is that it was just the scene was changing. Yeah. And we were not going. And it has changed. And basically, you got to ride along with the scene. If you don't, that's and I felt that, you know, it was just it was changing. And we were people were screaming and booting us out of that out of the stage. And they weren't they weren't accepting what was lost. And what was lost was something very unique. And that's what we will want to go back and capture again, which Eddie was talking about. What we created before the demo. Because if people go off the demo, they're going to be like, oh, we're going to do this. We're going to do this. And if we go off the demo. That was not really our full potential at that time. That's really interesting. When you tell me that. We were. That was like the ending of the beginning or the ending of. The beginning of the end. There you go. That's like. Just like that song. The beginning of the ending. Come on. Exactly. I enjoyed that demo, though. I thought it was really. Yeah. It was. It was new to people. But it was something that was already like drifting off. Like we're all going on different pages. Danny was mentioned. That's a band. That's a band. Because we had another member that Guy mentioned, which was Vince. Vince had a totally. My. different mindset. He was the one in the recording. He was the one that kind of like brought in more of the blast beat. He was the one that said, punk back, Mike, punk back. Alright, well, we have a caller in line. Caller, who are you? And Mike, give me a beer. I need a beer too. Hope it's Vince. Caller, you're on the air. Okay, thanks. Hey, what's up? You're on the air. Hi, how you doing? Good, who are you? My name is Jaime Landaverde. Oh! That's his brother. Hey, Jaime, when are you going to stop paying me for my car? It's me, Eddie. I've been trying to get a hold of you, but you never answer your phone. Hey, Jaime, let me ask you this, because Jimmy Cabs also is known as Jaime. Don't you hate that fucking name? Just kidding. Actually, I'm not kidding. I've been traumatized by that name. That's why I changed it to Jimmy Cabs. But anyways, what question do you have for MCD and Tormentor? Listen, when are you guys really going to play together again? Because, it's not just me that really loves you, there's a whole bunch of people that really love to hear you, even though you guys are going to come out with a cane and play, we still want to hear you play. Yeah, we're playing July 12th. Yeah, they're playing July 12th, the great car. Don't you listen to the show? Hey, Jaime, this guy, you've got to give this guy a credit. If it wasn't for this guy, we wouldn't have been to our first concert. We wouldn't have been to... Was he that guy? He's the one that had the car. He's the one that had the car. He used to literally pack up the car. 15 guys in the car in a Toyota. Literally. In a Corolla? 71 Corolla. 20 people in there. We're going to the Sunset Strip. Hey, there was a time also... To go see Wasp and Slayer. The time we saw John Belushi on the night he died. Damn. Wow. Wasp? Wasp? No. Wasp? Wasp and... Wow, really? For reals? Yeah. He was the one involved, taking us around. I was going to say, I hope you didn't fucking deal to him. We went to Guitar Center, and there was John Belushi, and then the next morning we woke up, and he was dead. Wow. All right, Jaime. Well, yeah, Saturday, July 12, 2014, the Grand Corps. That's where you can see FCD and Tormentor. They're playing with an amazing fucking lineup right here. I mean, I think it's impressive. Vermac, Nasia. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Fobia. I'm not even going to try to fucking pronounce that. Murder Construct, Warmaster, on and on and on and on. Thank you for calling, Jaime. All right, let's play... Thank you. Hey, what's up, guys? Let's play... What do we have? Do we have some Tormentor? Yes, we do. All right, let's play some Tormentor, and then we'll come back and say farewell. See ya. See ya. See ya. See ya. See ya. See ya.. All right, Johnny, what did we hear right there? Oh, Tormentor from their 84 demo. Holy shit. Heavy, heavy stuff. I got to clarify something. It's not actually a demo. It's one of those... One of those fucking radio cassette recordings of the rehearsal? Yeah, rehearsal recording. And, you know, because I keep hearing, you know, demo, but it's not a demo because it doesn't sound right. You know, it's got a shitty sound, you know, but... It's raw. Yeah, it's raw. But that's what I'm saying. It's just a garage recording, you know, so it's not a demo. You know, and if you listen to those raw rehearsals and then the official demo, there's a complete difference in the music. When you are reforming now and you're going to be playing this Grand Corps Fest, which is... Let me get this. July 12th. Yeah, July 12th, 2014. Come one, come all. What FCD and Tormentor are we going to be facing? Because in all due respect, we are older. So what version or what are we going to be expecting here? One of the things is we have nothing to prove. I want to clarify that. What I would like to do personally is create... I mean, play what was lost. And what you just heard was the Dungeon Days. That was something... That was something that was really unique and really heavy and strong. If people are expecting us to play the blast beat, we might play it, but... No, we're going to mix it up. We're going to mix it up. Raul, can you still blast, man? Yeah, you can. Because I know you've been doing the Olin, you know, Cultura, Azteca thing. What's up, man? He needs a PCP hit to do it. No, no, no, no. He did it, but he had to change his shirt afterwards because it was so funny. Yeah, he did. That's the honest truth. Is it safe to say that you're going to be coming? Because, again, and please correct me if I'm wrong, before you were captured on that demo with that extreme, aggressive, totally inspirational recording, prior to that, you guys were like a very heavy-oriented, what is now considered kind of doomish, you know, music. So where are we going with this? As far as what? Like 2014. What are we expecting? At the show, the July 12th. Oh. Can you still do those fucking... Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Let me ask you. Can you still do those vocals? He did. You know, it's hard, but I am doing them. You know, it was good. It was a good practice, which was our first practice in I don't know how many years. And it was good practice for so many years that we haven't been together, you know. So I think, you know, it's good, you know. And the fact is that we just... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We just got together for, what was it? Three hours? Three hours. Three hours. And we did a set of six songs or so. It was good. I mean, and we have, what, like four or five months before the show. We're still going to be practicing and getting better for that show because I told these guys, if you're going to do it, if I'm going to do it, I got to try, you know, I got to be that tormentor that was back in 86. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. And I'm saying... It's on record. You know what? No, seriously. Let me just say that... Let me say this and let me clarify. That's important. Thank you. That's important. Because here I am, 43 years of age, been there, done that. Yeah. One of the most disappointing things for me is the fact that I still got to chase pussy. But anyway... One of the most disappointing things is... This is my show, so I can be narcissistic. Is the fact that I'm still being tortured when I go to shows. I can't fuck these hot chicks. But anyways... Thankfully, I'm in a potentially relationship right now. But anyways, is when I see bands that are coming back. Okay? And you know what? I would say 95% of them are coming back for the money grab. Okay? We're not. No, I know you guys are not. Because trust me, I know the scene. But I'm talking about these bands that were established and they disappeared. Now they come back and all these kids want to fucking give them their money. And they're paying fucking $100 to see them pay. Anyways. But it's disappointing for me to sit there and see these guys and go, you know what? This is just not credible. You don't have the integrity. The fact that you guys are coming back is very monumental for me. But at the same time, like I mentioned before, like, okay, we're older. You know, Rolo, can you still keep that aggression? Do you still feel... Because, I mean, it's been almost 30 years. Musically, I'm sure you've all evolved. I mean, do you still even listen to relevant underground extreme music? I mean, it's a real... I don't mean to be insulting, but do you still... I don't necessarily go to a... I don't go to a record store to do it. I'll catch whatever's on Sirius XM or something, you know, on Octane or Lithium or something. That's not really real good. I know. You got to listen to my show. No. Do not do your questions. Keep it clear. I don't. And I don't think none of us do. I do. Everything. But you know what? You know what would be even a better guide for, like, judging what is happening? What about if you came to practice? Came out to rehearsal and then you judge it? I would love that. And then... That would be great. Because that's what it was always about. We're challenging each other. Exactly. And it's just the same as we were challenging ourselves in 82, where, like, we were like, it was about impressing each other. And then all the time, all along, we were being judged by the outside forces. So, I mean, maybe you can come and say, hey, you know what? You guys really... Maybe you shouldn't step out on the stage. Or, you know, hey, you got it or whatever, you know? You can call Enrique and tell him, you know what? Get him off the show. The old man still got it. I got to say this. We feel we do. We feel we do. You know what? I got... You know, I'm going to take you up on that. Because I know for a fact there'll be some beers there. But, no. In all seriousness, I've had conversations with you off the record. You guys were always genuine, very sincere, non-negatistical guys then. When there were so many bands coming from that era that they thought they were going to be fucking monumental. And they weren't. Yeah. Which bothers the fuck out of me that till this day, again, you don't get credit for that. You know, that used to bother me a lot, too. Because there was these bands that were like... The only reason they were up there was because they paid to play. You know, and... What? Yeah, they paid to play. That existed back then? Yeah. It started to, yes. In the early 90s? And so they started to pay to play. Pay to play. And then we're like, you're taking up space from people that really want this other band to play. And so that was another... We're going to have to have another interview here. Yeah, absolutely. Let me just say this. The whole different monster. Saturday, July 12th, you have made the commitment. FCDN tour mentor. You have made this commitment. And for those of you that were at that Fenders, that legendary Fenders show, which featured St. Vitus, who, my God, they got so fucking hated on. I loved that band back then, too. But they were so... Dude, look at them now. Now they're getting the credit they deserve. Good. Running Wild. Running Wild before they were pirate fuckers. Voivod before they went space age. Celtic Frost, you were asked to play on that bill. And on that bill, Tom Araya was there fucking headbanging his ass off. I'm kicking it with this. Well, what? Just roll with me. I've had some beers. The point is, is that you had monumental people there. Not only in... Mr. Emilia, thank you for capturing that moment. Emilia, yeah. Interjecting it, yeah. Which that bootleg went worldwide. Hell yeah. Which captured... Hell yeah. Which captured that raw essence of it. The fact that you are back now. You're playing January 12, 2014, the grindcore. And then this is a great bill. Let me mention this again. Vermoch, nausea, phobia, murder construct, war master, and then, of course, the old school Blood Cum and some other young bands. We'll get into that. I think it's great that you're back. But I feel very confident that you will keep in mind and you will cherish that legacy, especially now that... I have officially come out and said, you guys were the leading band that created this genre. And I think it's important to really cherish that because no one else does it. Thank you. Thank you so much for... Thank you. Thank you so much for being on the very Man of Jimmy Cab Show. We'll deliver. Oh, I know you'll deliver. Without pressure because that's one thing that we don't want to do is create pressure amongst ourselves to go out there. And prove something that we don't have to prove. No, we're not proving nothing. The whole idea is to have fun. If we can have fun and keep it, you know... Real. Real. That alone will say enough. What made you guys come back, though? Honestly. What made you guys come back? Actually, Enrique. I want to say... For Jesse. I want to say thanks to Enrique because he's been asking us for a while to do a reunion show. And I kept telling him, you know, I don't think... I think, you know, it's not going to happen. It's not going to happen. It's not going to happen. So he just said the last time, hey, ask the guys, do me a favor. Ask the guy one last time if they want to do this reunion show. In a one-time deal. I can't believe I got a thank you. And then I said, okay, well, let me give it a shot. And that's what I did. I asked everybody, hey, they're asking us to play. Do you want to play? I gave Danny a little bit of pressure on, hey, can you do it or not? He was an asshole, actually. Let me ask you this. After this Grand Corps show, what is next for FCD and Tormentor? Well, actually... You know what? Moving on. Moving on. No, no. We're just playing that show and we'll take it from there. Because I can't... You know, I'm the one that left. And, you know, we've all got our own lives and everything. And I can't tell you, yes, I'm going to do this and I'm going to do that. You know, Javier can tell you, it took me a while to say yeah, you know, to do this show. Because I told him, shit, you know, I'm 40. I'm going to be 48. I can't, you know... You're 48? I'm going to be 48 in August. What fucking moisturizer are you wearing, man? Wait a minute. Hey, who's your 8-month hookup? My wife. No. Are you serious? Are you seriously 48? I'm going to be 48, you know. Oh, we got to compare fucking... All right, all right. Big ups to the Pintala family. Thank you. And Raul's actually younger than me. All right. Let me just end the show with this. FCD and Tormentor, for those of you that remember, you are going to be very blessed to see these guys. And I say that sincerely. July 12, 2014, the Grand Corps Fest. For those of you that don't know, then you need to really, of course, come July 12, 2014, the Grand Corps Fest. See the band that truly was groundbreaking, that truly was ahead of their time. And now they have come back to grab the reins of not only their legacy, but to prove to everyone that you are the real deal. Thank you for being on the very Maddox. See you in the lead. Thank you, Raul. Thank you, Zach. Cheers. Cheers. Let's end it. See you. Thank you. Man lives in the sunlit world of what he believes to be reality. But there is unseen by most an underworld, a place that is just as real, but not as brightly lit, a dark side. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.