Man lives in the sunlit world of what he believes to be reality. But there is unseen by most an underworld, a place that is just as real but not as brightly lit, a dark side. The following is a production of the Center for Autism and Related Disorders, and is not intended to represent or contain images of graphic violence. Viewer discretion is advised. And the Oscar goes to Philip Seymour Hoffman for Podium. What happened to you? Hey, Ruben, I'm in a situation here. We have to leave now. Well, no, can we stay a couple more minutes? Dude, no, this is serious. I just sharted. I don't know what that means. I tried to fart and I'll shake you. Oh, I just sharted. Then let's go. I'm sorry. What the hell was the matter with you? I'm sorry. Why did you do that, Scotty? You look at me sometimes. Why? I want to know if you like me. Well, of course. Yeah, I like you, Scotty. Can I kiss you? Scotty, I don't... Can I kiss you on the mouth? No. Please let me. Scotty. I'm really sorry. I didn't mean to grab you like that or scare you, right? It's all right. Do you want to kiss me or... Scotty. No. What's the matter with you? No, I forget it. I'm really drunk. I really am. I'm out of my head. I'm so... I'm really wasted. I'm really drunk. I'm really just wasted. I'm crazy right now. I'm really crazy. Hello? I know who you are. And you are nothing. You think you are fucking something, but you are fucking nothing. You are empty. You are a zero. You are a black hole. And I'm going to... I'm going to fuck you so bad, you're going to be coming out of your ears. Are you alone? Yeah, I'm all alone. Nobody's listening in. Don't worry. I feel just like me. What are you wearing? You mean when we go out? Where do you want to go? I mean, I'm pretty easy to please. I hate getting all dressed up. What are you wearing now? Spare jeans. Spare jeans, why? Are they tight? Not too tight, actually. They fit pretty good. But why do you want to know... Not the jeans. Underneath. 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See the candle in the window Walk in comfort of the room As you beg it And you must go To the solace of mercy Always dance This night Or sing it Always I'll die Loaded Channeling Roll the streaming Out Loaded Channeling I Am The Other See the Fire's Burning At Midnight Gleaming Cauldron Black Is Cold The Hemiseta In Our Head Gleaming Hemiseta Black As Your Soul Always This Dream Became It No Return Quiet Leon Now You Are Here To See The World So Roll The Line Roll The Streaming Out Channeling Roll The Hemiseta In Our Head Gleaming Channeling Roll The Hemiseta In Our Head Gleaming Cauldron Stunned Stunned Stunned Stunned Stunned Stunned Stunned Stunned Stunned Stunned Stunned Stunned Stunned Stunned Stunned Stunned Stunned Stunned Stunned Stunned guitar solo guitar solo guitar solo guitar solo guitar solo guitar solo guitar solo On February 2nd, 2014, in West Village, New York, American-born actor Philip Seymour Hoffman passed away of an apparent heroin overdose. He was found on the floor of his bathroom with a syringe in his arm. Such an incredible actor who was able to touch so many with his films and the characters that he portrayed. Including myself. Indeed, a very tragic loss. It's very rare for me to have any... It's very rare for me to have any form of human emotion, but his death has even touched myself. Such an array of work that he's done, but it really hits home to me because there are certain portrayals that he has done in his films that literally deflect. Real-life scenarios that I've experienced. I want to thank you, Philip Seymour Hoffman, for bringing joy to my life and to millions. And I want to tell you what a fucking asshole you are for succumbing to the fucking spoon. Rest in peace. minute minute minute minute minute Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. All right. Los Angeles and the rest of the world. You know what time it is. Subversive radio at its finest. Only the real deal when it comes to true underground extreme music. I am your host, Jimmy Cabs, and I'm glad to welcome back... I can't believe you're actually here. Here's Johnny! Johnny! Hey, now. It's good to be back. Thankfully, I was able to find somewhere to park. There's some shit going down, down here in downtown. But I'm here. Good to be back. And I'm really, really excited about today's show. Yeah, you know what, man? I gotta get in the right head of mind. I'm still kind of really bummed out from last weekend's... last Sunday's news of the death of Philip Seymour Hoffman. Going back to the soundbites you were playing from Happiness, one of my all-time favorite movies, period. And, again, one of Philip Seymour Hoffman's better roles. If you haven't seen that movie, People Out There, you've got to go see it. It is horribly fucked up and hilarious. So, it's a classic. One of his most classic roles. Let me just say this. Those soundbites that we listened to in the beginning of the show, each and every one of those scenarios that are being portrayed so eloquently, so masterfully by, you know, Philip Seymour Hoffman, the reason why I... It's very rare that I connect with an actor. I usually don't give a fuck. When I hear about something... When I hear about something... When I hear about somebody overdosing, especially like a high-profile artist, I'm like, fuck them! But the reason why I'm so, till this day, still bummed out is because those scenes happened real life in my life. I find that thoroughly shocking. I can imagine you on the other phone, what are you wearing? I've done that. Are you wet? I've, I've... Listen, we keep it real here. I've done that and masturbating at the same time. I've also called... I've called a certain girl and told her, you fucking bitch, you're nothing but a fucking whore. Fucking whore. The last time I fucked you, I should have fucked you till your head popped off. Do you like to suck dick? I've had the sharting incident happen very well. As a matter of fact, a certain friend of mine is probably listening. Oh my God. Feel free to call in. I had it literally like, it was at a concert, like, dude, I gotta go to the restroom. Why? What's the matter? I just sharted. Well, a better question would be, have you related to Philip Seymour Hoffman's role in Boogie Nights where he's trying to fuck a Dirk Diggler? Dude, dude, that has happened to me, except the only differences is that in the film, he's going after a male. In real life, I was going after a female. Right. Where you have that awkward moment where you're trying, when you have no game, which again, this all... No, it all ties in. It all ties in very well. But when you have no game and you're so desperate, you reach that point where like, I gotta do something, but I don't know what to do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For that, that kiss and you get rejected. Crushing. Dude. The dialogue in that movie. Oh, man. Do you want to kiss me? Scotty, what are you doing, man? Scotty, come on. What the fuck? Oh, you know what? I'm sorry, man. I'm wasted. I'm so faded. I'm fucked up. Dude, that happened to me. Dude, that scene in that movie, fucking... You want to talk connection, man. That... I almost welled up on that one. That's a crushing scene. Yeah. So, I mean... Great actor. Great actor. It's just a fucking shame that he... A loss. Went this way. Total loss. I'm, where you're sad, I'm angry. I'm like, dude, fucked up, man. Well, here's the deal. Here's another thing that I have in common with this actor. Obviously, if you're familiar with his body of work, it spans. So, I mean, just the different characters that he's played. But you can tell, even back then, that he was a dark individual. As you know, Lost Johnny, I mean, a lot of- I'm a fan of film, and in particular, a lot of his films. And even from, oh boy, Heart 8. I mean, that's one of his first movies with- That's another one. I was talking shit at a crap table in 2000. I mean, you can tell immediately that, one, this guy is no fucking joke. He is high level, and he's coming from a dark place. Even Punch Drunk Love, dude, that's a- Dude. He played a gnarly dude in that. When I was employed, that, yeah, that- This is what I'm telling you. I'm telling you why I relate. Because I had a couple of friends reach out to me in private conversations. Like, you're such a fag, and you're posting about it. What the fuck's wrong with you? I'm like, dude, I related to this guy so much because a lot of those characters, like I said before, you know, these scenes were literally out of my life. I've called someone, someone when I used to be employed and wanted to file a complaint. Except I did it in person. Why don't you just shut the fuck up? Who's your manager? Why don't you just shut the fuck up? I've done that. But again, it's- The darkness that I really had in common with this. As you know me in real life, you know I can be a very dark individual. I know. And you also know that at times I've gone to the razor's edge with certain substances. I'm well aware. I've been a very- I've been an advocate, especially- Here's the deal. When you're like your teenage, adolescent years, up to like 25, you got a green light to do whatever the fuck you want. It's true. Okay? Once you hit 25, 30. That's when you start getting the caution signs. Okay? Better slow it down a little bit. The check engine light, so to speak. Yeah. You better, you know, reevaluate your party situation. Are you hooked on anything? Because there's just some people that are snappers. But overall. But from 30 to 35, if you're a stubborn, stupid, ignorant fucker, you're gonna push that engine. Okay? And you might still get away with that activity. But dude. It's a lot harder to get out of that rut of- Habits. Once you go past a certain age. Like if you're that guy when you're 35, 40, even 50, you're like, dude. Well, here's the deal. I've been that guy. And at the back of my mind, I'm like, dude, I'm 43 now. Like I came to a realization where, you know what? I've burned the candle way too much. Now I am guaranteed a stroke or a heart attack. And it was funny because last Christmas, I had two friends that had to be rushed to the emergency room. And I was like, dude, I'm gonna go to the emergency room. I'm gonna go to the emergency room. Because there's, you know, mentally, you still think you're fucking 18. It was a Christmas. Boy, oh boy. And they found themselves in the ER, you know, with- Serious problems. With serious problems. And so the point is, is obviously this guy, you know, played that game. It goes back to the whole deal of guys like that. And I have to emphasize guys like that that are so intense. And they're so, I mean, for lack of a better phrase, extreme. With their talent. I mean, they're constantly at the edge. They don't know moderation. They don't understand, hey, dude, fucking chill out for a couple months. Or even a week. That is not part of their mindset. That's not part of their everyday fucking life. They are hardcore, extreme, 24-7. And that's a shamefully classic example of what happens, man. When you get- What's even more tragic- When you're at that edge. What's even more tragic- Even more tragic loss, Johnny, is the fact that I bet you this guy, which I have a feeling I have this in common with him as well. He probably didn't even realize how adored he was. Nope. Not a clue. He probably didn't even realize how many lives he touched. So it's just a tragic loss all the way around. What probably kills me the most was, I mean, aside from him dead, is the fact that he was all set to watch the fucking Super Bowl with his son. That sucks, dude. And that kid's going to fucking have to bear that for the rest of his life. All right, Dad, we're going to watch the fucking game. All right, I'm going to start crying. Let's move it along here. You're bumming me out. All right, let's- All right, let's pick up the spirits here. Welcome back. It's good to be back. We played some songs. The first song, a band that we all know and love here in Los Angeles, Of The Horizon, with their song Three Feet. Awesome. Mike, thinking about you, man. After that, we heard Premonition 13, which features Wino, of St. Vitus, The Obsessed, and many others fame. Try not to butcher the name. The Obsessed, the Obsessed, and many others fame. La Hechicera de la Jaringa. There you go. Thank you. From the record called 13. After that, we heard a nice tribute by Corrosion and Conformity from their record Blind, the song Shallow Ground. All right, it's been a very disturbing week, but let's bring in Metal Gandhi, because this is even more disturbing. Let's get this out of the way now. Mike, you want to bring in Metal Gandhi? Come on in here, man. Sit down right there. He's wearing shoes. That's a step. As you may or may not know, Andrew Bensal of Metal Assault, as I refer to him as the Metal Gandhi, he's a local music journalist. Goer to every single fucking show that is in the Southern California area. He goes to everything. Every fucking show. Let's go. Hey, how you doing? Welcome. You got to put your headphones on, son. Why do I have a taste for curry? I'm just kidding. Welcome back to The Very Manic Jimmy Hab Show. Thank you. Aside from all the disturbing stuff that happened this week, I mean, in Afghanistan, there's still the detainee of a special officer over there and a canine. Yeah. And Jesus, I mean. There's also a hostage situation in North Korea as well. Yeah, and then there's also the Olympics out in Sochi with all that madness, but also the fact that in 2014 we're still fucking bashing gays. But what really touched me, aside from, you know, the Philip Seymour, Seymour Hoffman death, was the fact that you shared with me an experience that happened to you recently after, this is during the NAMM. I hate NAMM. Why do you go to that? Why do you go to that torture? Just as a journalist, you know, just to cover it, you know, it's nothing, no other reason. All right. Well, you know what? Again, another excellently portrayed scenario that Seymour, Philip Seymour Hoffman did in Almost Famous. I've actually had this encounter with you where I told you, that listen, if you're going to, if you are going to be a music journalist, okay, and this wasn't something that I lifted from the movie. This is just, someone told me this 20 something years ago. These guys are never going to be your friends, kid. They're, yeah. You know what? If you're going to be a real music journalist, you're not a rock star, dude. You're not a popular guy. You know, if you're going to be a real writer, then you got to really keep it brutally honest and true. If you want to be a love the door rock star fucking guy, then you'll be what I call a fluff writer. And that separates the real from the poser. Right. Okay. I've thought you've, I've thought in the beginning, I was very highly critical of you. I thought you were kind of really going in that fluff road and I shared that with you. And then I've seen you develop as a writer because you're still relatively a young man. If you say so. Oh yeah, you are. But one of the things that's interesting is the fact of the, the, the way, the impact of, of the show on the show is that it's a show that's very much about the audience. Okay. Right. I'm, I'm very known here in Los Angeles for being brutally honest and I'm also very despised for it. You know, that's why when people ask me to come on the show, I always kind of cringe because I invite the guests here. I go out of my way to invite the guests so I could avoid that uncomfortableness. Now you go to, you go to live shows, you go to a lot of live events, you interview artists, but you also review live shows. Right. So briefly, why don't you tell me what transpired on this particular day? Because I find what happened to you allegedly very disturbing. Right. So basically, that was Friday, January the 24th and I went to cover the Uli John Roth show at the, at Mahomes. Yeah. Uli was, Uli is great and I'm still pissed off that I missed the show for, you know, these reasons. But anyway, so I went to cover that show. I was on the band's guest list and everything, but as soon as I got there, the promoter and this one other guy who put together that show, which was the Cream tribute called Extreme Cream. So those two guys cornered me and they started yelling at me and they were like, basically telling me that I cannot come into the venue and not, not just for that show, but for any show in the future. And their main reasoning was because apparently I just didn't talk shit about artists and they were particularly upset that I talked, that I gave a bad review to Anvil last year. I mean, everybody who was at that Anvil, Anvil Motorhead show knew that Anvil sucked. So, I was just, you know, reiterating that in my review. I mean, I guess those people didn't even read my article fully before accusing me of, you know, talking shit. I mean, I clearly said that I like these bands, it's just that, you know, I'm being honest and if they play a good show next time, I'll say they were good, you know, like as simple as that. And that whole thing had nothing to do with the Uli John Roth show at all. So, there's really no logical explanation for, you know, them not, them denying me entry into that show. And, whatever he was commenting after I posted the article which described this incident, that, that doesn't make any sense because, you know, in the end, he didn't let me in. So, instead of the article that I wrote about, you know, the article titled Nightmare on Dire Road, which is on my site, metalassault.com, instead of that, you would be seeing a review of the show, right? So, you know, bottom line is he didn't let me into the show for these reasons. Let me, let me backtrack here. So, you show up to this event, right? Right. And, where was this at? At Malone's in Santa Ana. Okay. Yeah. And, what you're alleging is, or your side of the story is, is that you, you showed up to this event and that the two promoters? Yeah, the promoter from, well, I didn't want to mention his name, but since he, he was commenting and saying nasty things about me after I posted the article, I'm going to go ahead and say it. Eddie from House of Metal. Okay. So, he approached you before you even entered the venue. Yeah. Well, apparently they had told the guy at the door that if this guy comes in, you know, hold him outside and we'll come and get him kind of thing. and, and so he? So, I was told to wait outside the door and he came in and then there's, there's another guy named Andrew Banks from, who was the, who was the founder of Extreme Cream. So, those are the two guys who came in. Okay. And, you're stating that they, what, they threatened you? Yeah. I mean, they were yelling at me and they were like approaching me aggressively and at that time if I had said something that they didn't like, I'm pretty sure they would have punched me or, you know, done something physical. That's, that's what, that's what you were led to believe. That was the mannerisms, that was the behavior. that was their demeanor. Yeah, exactly. So, are you saying that you were in fear for your life, that you thought you were going to have great bodily harm inflicted upon you? Yeah, I pretty much ran out of there. And what was the reason why you weren't allowed entrance? Because apparently I talked shit about Anvil, which had, which has like, what does Anvil have to do with Uli John Roth anyway, you know? All right. All right. Well, you know what? Because we keep it real. Do we still have Eddie on the line? We have Eddie on the line. Eddie, are you there? Yes, I am. How are you doing there, sir? Thank you for being on the Very Manic Jimmy Capp Show. Can I refer to you as Eddie? Is that okay? Sure, perfect. All right. What, what is your side of the story on this? Because obviously there's two different stories and somewhere in the middle is the truth. What is your description of this event? Well, excuse me. Basically, what happened was I didn't know who Andrew was before the day. Um, maybe about an hour or so before he arrived, the promoter, the, excuse me, the management team for Uli and Extreme Cream approached me and said, there's one guy who's trying to get in. We're not going to let him in. I said, okay. You know, it's up to them. Um, when he arrived, the other guy, Andrew, who Andrew speaks of, called me, okay, he's out, he's out there. Let's go see him. So we went out and saw him. We met him on the curb on holiday. Which was about 10 feet from Dyer Road, Busy Street. This dark corner that he referred to in his article was also about, I don't know, maybe 15 feet from the loading door and the main entrance. Um, did he get yelled at? Yeah, he sure did get yelled at, but I mean, I don't know. I didn't even know what was going on. I stood there and watched Andrew rip into Andrew. I think I may have said, that's not right, man. This is how these guys make their living, which was my input. I didn't say a word to him. I didn't even know what he was about. And Andrew, Andrew Banks, who he was talking about, waved a finger in his face, yelled at him, and the last thing I remembered was Andrew saying, you know what, man, I'm out of here. And he walked away. And he yelled at the other Andrew as he was walking away. And that was pretty much the nightmare on Dyer Road that he experienced. Okay, so in no way, shape, or form was he physically threatened at all, is what you're stating. People were walking and you artists were walking through the road and door. I was waving to people as they were coming in. He wasn't threatened. There was no dark corner. It was on the sidewalk, 10 feet from the intersection. So I don't know which dark corner he's referring to, and I don't know how his life was threatened. Right, right. Because you would understand that, I mean, I'm assuming that you are over 18 years of age, correct? Way over 18. Okay, so yeah, I don't know if you're like me trying to wear moisturizers and deny your age, but you know, we're technically adults, so I'm sure that you know that not only threatening somebody with great bodily harm, but even the attempt at threat is, you know, it puts you in a serious situation, not only criminally, but also libelously. So I mean, you being a promoter, you know that that's not proper protocol and proper behavior, right? Correct. Okay, so you're stating that you or your partner or the promoter of the event never threatened Andrew Bensal. No. I think the other guy may have like, lifted up his finger and pointed at him, but that was it. Okay, let me ask you this because I'm a little curious here. And again, I'm not taking sides. Let me just make that very clear. I just want to, it's very, the whole thing was very disturbing to me. This is why I wanted to shed light to it. But at the same time, I wanted to be fair and give both parties the opportunity to say their piece, what have you. But why was he denied entrance if he was on the guest list? When you're on the guest list, there's two guest lists. There's an industry guest list, which is usually with the band and the PR. And then there's the guest list of, I guess, what, friends or if you're associated with the venue or something like that. A house guest list. What list were you on, Andrew? I was, well, a friend of mine asked me if I wanted to go to the show and he was friends with Michelangelo Batio, who was one of the performers at that show. So I was pretty much on the artist guest list. I'm not sure which exact guest list, but yeah, I mean, you can take the industry list. And were you there to review, Julie John Ross said? Yeah, I mean, I review every show I attend. So if I had attended it, I would have reviewed it. Were you there with the authorization or the green light from a PR company? Yes. Okay. Yeah, I mean, PR, John Freeman, yeah, he was okay with me attending the show. Okay, because I took a survey. How long have you been to promote already? About three years, maybe four. Yeah, because I've heard nothing but spectacular things about you as well. This is what I find interesting. Everyone that I talk to that, that is from your geographic, your area, said that, you know, this, that those allegations do not in any way, shape, form, portray your personality in the way you run shows. I've, I've only been to Malone once and I found it to be a very pleasant place. I don't like Orange County, but I mean, I found it to be a very pleasant place. I professionally run, et cetera, et cetera. But I took a survey of four, what I like to call here in Los Angeles, and I don't mean no disrespect to you at all, but here, like in geographically that I'm familiar with, four promoters, and they all told me the same thing. I asked them this question. If you are doing a show and you have a guest list and you have the industry list and the individual that shows up who is a music writer or journalist who has reviewed your shows badly and has heavily critiqued you, which I, I've never read anything where you've been. I don't think I've ever said anything about a guest promoter at all. I didn't even mention their name in this article, you know. But what I was saying is, is I've never read anything where you go out to be malicious. Yeah. You know, like I'm brutally fucking honest and, and, Yeah, I mean, you read my stuff, you know. Yeah, you know, you're, you conduct yourself professionally, but these four promoters told me that if you are on an industry guest list, meaning the PR and the band wants you there and they don't want you there, they got to suck it up and just say fuck it. Okay, because it's a business thing. Now, why, why was Andrew denied entrance to this event at this club? Well, I guess it was because of the potential of, of going under that ridiculous worst shows of the year article that he liked to do and again, that was out of my hands. I knew nothing about it until it was going down. Right. Um, what I was told was he contacted somebody who was organizing the show with me and tried to get on the list and they said to me, well, you're not invited to the show and this is exactly why. And he went around those people and got, got on the guest list a different way and at that point, I mean, if one person tells me I'm not invited to the party, I'm not going to go to the party. So, um, as far as the other guest list and who John Freeman is, I don't know, honestly. That's a, that's a PR guy from New York who handles artists. Uh, I guess, I guess what you're saying is, is hey, you know what, you didn't want his presence there because you viewed him as a, a, a, no, no, not me, the other promoter, the other promoter. Oh, I had no idea who he was. You had no idea. So you're, you just found yourself innocently involved in this situation? Correct. Okay, and you never threatened Andrew Bissau? You never in any way, shape, or form physically or verbally? I'd be extremely disappointed if he said I personally threatened him. Did he threaten you? No, I never, I never said anything about Eddie threatening me. I felt threatened because of their demeanor. That's what I said in the article. He said that these guys pulled me over and cornered you. Did they? Well, yeah, you did that. Did they? How did he corner you? How did he corner you? We were in the middle of a sidewalk. Well, yeah, but I mean, the other guy was aggressive towards me, so I did feel that if I had said something at that time that he might have hit me. He was yelling at you. How many people have yelled at you in your life? All of you in here. I did feel at the time that he would have hit me, you know, so that's what I stand on that. What gave you that indication? Did he say, if you say one word, I'm going to kick your ass? Well, he was yelling all the time, like right in my face, so I thought he was going to hit me. Have your parents yelled at you? Have teachers yelled at you? Yeah, but still, you know, the bottom line is I was denied entry, you know, that's it. You know, I don't know what else to talk about. Yeah, let me interject here. I think one of the things that needs to be addressed is obviously there's a misconception of facts. If you felt physically threatened because of what was going on, you're entitled to that. Yeah. If the guy was just yelling at you, he didn't want you there and he was being adamant, like, you know, I tend to get a little animated and then what have you. I don't know how you got sucked into this, Eddie. Were you just there looming or because it seems now that you never even, he never threatened you? No. No, I clearly said in the article that it was the other guy. No, not Eddie. He was just standing there. Okay. Yeah, it was the two of them standing and the other guy was yelling. All right. Well, here's the deal. You know, I think that we're all adults. I think, let me just interject this to both parties. We're all entitled to opinions. If you're going to be a musician, and I don't expect either of you to agree with my philosophy on this, but I just like to say that if you're going to be a musician or an artist or what have you, and you put yourself on that forum, then you are right off the bat putting yourself in a situation to have positive critiques and negative critiques. And you need to have a tough skin. As a music journalist, okay, I hate to tell you this. This is a rite of passage for you. You're going to be the real deal. No, I know. Yeah. This is a rite of passage, but it doesn't make it appropriate and it doesn't make it right to have professional promoters or anyone in the industry to talk to you in a certain way where you feel physically threatened. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. the property of the venue itself. I would understand if you showed up, and let's just say hypothetically, I would understand that type of response. Like if you showed up and you were making comments of the venue in a destructive and deflammatory manner, if you were slandering the promoters, I would understand that. But even then, it is not appropriate to conduct yourself. Yeah, I didn't even do that anyway. At the same time, you know, it seems to me like, Eddie, it seems like you got caught up in something here that really, was he even a part of this? Well, he wasn't really saying anything. I was because it was my show, obviously. Okay. You know, so I feel as involved in it as anybody else does. And I mean, the fact that the venue that I primarily book shows out of is being, you know, created in a negative light now with people posting on Facebook, boycott Malone and shit like that. Yeah. That's not cool. I mean, when you're a journalist, you should really think of, you know, all the factors involved before you, you know, go off and say, Yeah, I didn't say anything bad about Malone's. I just said that it happened there. I know you didn't say anything bad about Malone's, but you had to have expected when you posted the logo for Malone's on your website that you would keep the post to defend you. I mean, so it happened there. So what do you want me to do? Like, not post the location and just talk about random stories? Well, what good came from that article is what I'm saying. What good came from that? Well, you denied me entry, so that, you know, you shouldn't have done that in the first place and none of this would have happened, you know. Well, what good came from that? What good came from the article is what I'm saying. I didn't want anything good to come. I didn't benefit from it. I didn't write it to benefit from it. Well, to be fair, he felt that at that date, at that incident, that he was being threatened and he felt, you know, the possibility of great bodily harm being inflicted on him. I think this whole thing could have been avoided if everybody was just fucking mature, man. I mean, listen, let me give you a heads up right here, Andrew. If you're going to be speaking the truth, you need to realize that, not everybody, and I'm not in any way, shape, or form painting these guys in the negative, but there's individuals that, you know, they take it personal, which they shouldn't. Especially from what I understand, you didn't even write anything. Nobody had nothing to do with this show, so I don't know. Let me finish my train of thought here. I think the mistake was that, obviously, the promoter, that's his event. Even though I took a survey, it's up to them. If they are not going to, if you're on the industry list, okay, where PR and the artist wants you there, they should really seriously think about that. But if they're not going to let you in, then you did the right thing by leaving. But to have you, to be approached, and to have a discussion, which obviously seems you interpreted it in a very threatening manner, I think that's inappropriate, too. I think that individual who did that was wrong. He shouldn't have done that. And then at the same time, if you're going to be representing a venue, which, like this gentleman just said, you're going to be representing a venue, you're going to be represented. You don't want a reputation coming out like that. So everybody should just fucking act your age. And here's the deal. Opinions are opinions. They're opinions. Everybody needs to have a tough skin and have confidence in themselves and not fucking get all butthurt and crazy about it. Because in reality, here's the deal. We're all a bunch of fucking assholes. Whatever you say or I say or he says, we don't have any impact on anybody's life unless you're that weak to make that individual conduct themselves in that way. People tell me, I'm a fucking prick every day of my life. And all that happens to me is I'm a lonely fucker and I stay by myself. And this is myself from everyone. So let's just all be mature here. Let's just all act our age. Let's just all enjoy why we're going and gathering in the first place, which is to enjoy music. And if you think the artists suck, you're putting yourself in that position. You need to, again, this is a rite of passage. I think you should continue with brutal honesty and critique. If that artist takes it to heart, then you know what? Don't be on stage. Yeah. If you're a promoter. It's nothing personal, man. Come on. Yeah. If you're a promoter, listen, you're out there to provide shows and to make money to make sure you cover those acts and to also provide a safe environment. Don't be being a fucking bully. Don't put yourself in a situation where you could possibly have criminal charges or lawsuits. It doesn't benefit the venue. In Orange County, I don't know if there's a lack of venues out there. Here in Los Angeles, they're dying. They're dying. You know, let's protect what we have. Let's conduct ourselves properly. Let's just all go have a good time. I hope I was impartial. At the same time, I had to be honest here. I found the allegations disturbing. I'm glad that both of you got to say your piece. And you know what, man? Let's just fucking act our age. Yeah. Well, I would love that. But now, you know, I mean, there's a situation. I mean, there needs to be some sort of resolution because that article is still floating out there. You know? And I personally, I personally think he owes me and Malone an apology. I think both you individuals owe him an apology as well. I mean, the... Okay, Andrew, I'm sorry that this happened to you. Okay, well, I accept your apology, but, you know, I don't know what you want me to do. Well, I mean, you're a journalist, so you speak through your words. I'm sure you can figure out what, you know... The guy apologized. The guy... I think, actually, I think, to be honest with you, Eddie, I think we got the wrong... We should have the guy on the phone. We should have the other guy on here. Yeah, exactly, you know. I think we have the wrong guy here, but, I mean, he apologized. He took responsibility. Okay, no, I accept the apology. Yeah, I mean, I guess you were... No. You misread my article in the sense that, I mean, I was not bashing the venue or anything, but I guess it does put it in a bad location. You were still putting it out there is what the problem was. Yeah, well, I was simply reporting the events, but anyway, you know, I didn't intend to bash Malone or anything, so if I did that, then I guess I apologize to you for that. I know, but... Yeah. I mean, I don't want to sound like a dick, but, you know, the article's still out there, so I would appreciate it if you did the same thing in a positive light for us that you did in a negative light for that night, personally. Oh, you want me to write another article? I would... I think that's going to be fair. Okay, I'll think about that. I mean, I'll have to think about what I'm going to write, but I would like to... I still would like to hear from that guy who was yelling at me, Andrew Banks, because... Yeah, he... Well, you know, here's the deal, man. You know what? Bottom line, fucking... Let's just all take this as a learning experience and let's just act our fucking age, you know what I mean? If you really have an issue with something that a writer writes, then you really need to look at yourself more thoroughly and fucking act your age, first of all. But number two, you know what, man? Let's just fucking just stop this fucking behavior, because these are the types of incidents that really escalate to a whole other bucket of bullshit, and the next thing you know, you know, sometimes people could get hurt, man. Like, if someone comes to me and they... And if I feel threatened, even though I look like a fucking pussy, trust me, I'm swinging. So I'm glad that you were able to restrict yourself and not... And refrain from doing anything like that, but at the same time, man, you know what? Cause... There's always a spark that causes shit. I mean, I don't understand, and I don't... I can't understand why someone would come talk shit to you about not wanting you at your show. Yeah. But whatever. The guy apologized. You're obviously gonna think... I apologize, I apologize, cause it happened. And I apologize for telling... Right. The entire details of the night. But I mean, as far as him getting yelled at, I don't see what the big deal is. If he took that as a threat against his health, I don't... I don't know. Well, it just goes to show you, man, I mean, you know, in this society, dude, some people like, you know, some people could take it, some people can't. Some people feel threatened right off the bat just by a menacing stare. I mean, that's why we have laws in place, and that's why, you know, we are supposed to conduct ourselves in a civilized manner. But anyways, I gotta move it along. You should have thick skin as a journalist, just like those artists that are covered do as well. I think, Andrew, after this, you do have a thick skin, right? Like, you need to understand that you, my friend, are not a rock star. You know, you shouldn't be out in all the photos and the videos and the... You are... Dude, let me... No, whatever it is, bottom line is, I shouldn't have been in that entry, and that's that. I'm done with this. Yeah, let's... That's all I have to say. Let's just move on. That I shouldn't have been in that entry into that show. That's it. All right, let me just leave you with the very wise words of Philip Seymour Hoffman. Hey. You have to make your reputation on being honest and unmerciful. Unmerciful. So there you go. I want to thank you, Eddie. House of Metal, is that correct? Did I pronounce your name right? I want to thank you. Eddie. Eddie. I want to thank you for being on the air with us, man, and thank you for being a big man and apologizing. Andrew Basal, I want to thank you for showing up here. Oh, thanks for having me. Clearing up the facts, I guess. I mean, I'm confused more than ever, but I got to move it along here. So thank you both for being here. All right. Hands off, Jenny. Let's play some music. But the tragic death of actor Philip Seymour Hoffman, a performer who was known for his extraordinary range, he was also known for his honesty about the struggles he faced away from the public eye. Tonight, investigators at his home after what they believe was a heroin overdose. Day by day, he's buying this left-stuck estate. I need it, my seven. Shoot it up in my arm. I need it, my seven. I will sleep day or night. Kill again, it's too shooting. Take the money from my mom. Take it, my seven. Who cares about this world? Everything seems so good. I don't care if I die. I don't care if I die. I need it, my seven. I need it, my seven. I need it, my seven. I need a hell of a win I need a hell of a win I need a hell of a win I need a hell of a win I need a hell of a win I need a hell of a win I need a hell of a win I need a hell of a win I need a hell of a win I need a hell of a win I need a hell of a win I need a hell of a win I need a hell of a win I need a hell of a win Say yes to drugs to the point of making others uncomfortable. The big man will just seem blue and say, Take your life. We won't give up. We'll be safe. We're drunk in this town. We're drunk in this town. We're drunk in this town. We're drunk in this town. We're drunk in this town. We're drunk in this town. We're drunk in this town. We're drunk in this town. We're drunk in this town. We're drunk in this town. We're drunk in this town. We're drunk in this town. We're drunk in this town. We're drunk in this town. I don't know. But whenever I see her, I just want to, you know, I want to undress her. I want to tie her up. I want to pump her. You know, pump, pump, pump. So she screams bloody murder and then I want to flip her ass over and pump her even more. And it's so hard that my dick shoots right through her and that my cum squirts out of her mouth. I make the difference between the one who's trying to have a little bit of a hit and the one who's being perfect and the one who's bad. I'm making a little bit of a mess. I'm making a little bit of a mess. I'm making a little bit of a mess. And all of a sudden, I was just about. We're so apart. I'm left behind. Love is together, a piece of pie, a piece of wisdom from our hearts. And now, here with an unlimited supply of misinformation is Mr. Noto. All right, Lost Johnny, I have no idea why we even fucking interjected in that. I'm even more confused now than ever. I'm confused and frankly bored. But we got some songs that we played, started from the top. We listened to Wasted Youth. We were on heroin, not me, from the record Reagan's Inn. After that, we heard Italy's own raw power with the song Police. Police from the record screams from the gutter. After that, we had a nice little block from England town. Heresy, fuck yeah. Never hear it again. After that, we heard Ipswich's own extreme noise terror. Another nail in the coffin from one of my all-time favorite grind records, A Holocaust in Your Head. After that, we heard GBH from Birmingham. Drug Party in the 526. You might want to reference that to the 909, but that's just me. From their record, City Baby's Revenge. And after that, we ended the set with DC's proper fucking Kings of Punk, the Bad Brains, pay to come, bitches. All right, Andy Pitchin. A.K.A. Pinch of the Mighty English Dogs. We're going to be speaking to him. As you know, I'm a huge English Dogs fan. Back in 1986, I saw the first U.S. I think it was the first U.S. tour forward in a battle at the Olympic. Nice. I'll never forget the beating LAPD gave me after that show. But we're going to be talking to Andy Pinchin because he has some great news, man. New English Dog material. Nice. And we're going to be doing the world debut of the new English Dogs. Even nicer. Even nicer. We're heading to some English Dogs and then we'll talk to Andy in a minute. Hit it. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. It was beyond our ability, and you can obviously hear that from the records. I think that's part of the charm that people like about it is that, I don't know, it's still rough and raw, and it's a bunch of kids just trying to do some shit that they're into. So, yeah, I mean, I'm really stoked that we actually managed to come up with something that definitely captures the energy of where we were at back then, you know? Yeah, I find that, you know, I was fortunate enough to listen to this track, and that was one of the things that I was very pleased about is the fact that, because I don't know about you, but I find myself very critical of bands of that era when they come back. I'm sitting there with, like, a microscope, and I'm looking for, like, you know, cracks in the armor, so to speak, but that's not the case with this track, Turn Away From The Light. Talk to me a little bit about the music off this soon-to-be-released new record, The Thing With Two Heads. What's up with the title, first of all? Well, it's a band. It's a band of two careers. That's where it comes from. I thought it was a political statement, man. No, no, it's nothing to do with politics on this record. We were, you know, back in the day, you know, the first couple of releases by English Dogs, yeah, you know, we were riding along on the fact that, you know, we had Thatcher and Reagan, you know, the gruesome twosome. Maybe they were The Thing With Two Heads, I don't know, but, you know, we were in a situation where the world realistically might have ended if one of those two were to come back. Them two idiots had, you know, had the balls to push the button. It almost came close, Pinch. Yeah, dude, it was a horrible time, and it was very real for everybody. I mean, I know everybody looks back on the 80s with a kind of a sly grin of like, oh, you know, that was a kind of a cool decade, but to us it was fucking horrific. We were living it every day. I mean, English Dogs, we all lived together in the same flat and, you know, well, squat. And day after day, we were faced with this. So back in the day, you couldn't help but, like, go along with the political thing because you were singing about what you were living. But, you know, as time moved on and, you know, it became less obvious that the world was going to end, hopefully. You know, we found ourselves writing about other things, and I guess the drugs took over. I hate when that happens. Yeah, right. Do you find yourself, now that you're an adult, when you're writing music, obviously you're more... What's the word I'm looking for here? You're more writing for yourself, so to speak. But do you worry that the new generation will not understand? Like, for instance, back in 86, until this day, when I put on Forward Into Battle, that record just really moves me on so many levels. Because you made that connection with me. Do you think about that? When you're writing new material, and obviously, you know, The Thing With Two Heads, did you put that into play? Or was it just all of you just collectively just enjoying yourself where you're at now in this day and time? Well, I mean, the way The Thing With Two Heads came together was really down to the reaction that we got from that Forward Into Battle tour in 2012. It was like, wow, okay. It was incredible. Yeah, we can... Probably, you know, put something together. And as long as we can capture what we had, because like you said, I hate it when bands come back and you excitedly, like, you know, download their record, and it's like, oh, shit. Yeah. It's really disheartening. But the only way I would even, like, start, you know, putting this record out there or this music out there is if we felt that we captured what we had. And I think we definitely have. I mean, the writing process for this record was really weird. But after that tour, Giz, he's always been influenced, bless him, by things around him and things in the here and now. And he came to me with a song that was definitely heavily Casualties influenced because they'd been so great on that tour. And he'd seen, you know, that they really tapped a vein of the current, like, punk scene. And, you know, they're kind of legends in their own right, you know. And I'm like, no, Giz, you know, this is okay. But this is not us. This is not what we want to be doing. We want to be just, you know, just immerse yourself into the ends of the earth and fall into battle because they were our, you know, most, not successful, but probably personally successful. They were the closest to what we really believed in and what we could, like, you know, try and come up with at the time. So I, you know, fiddled about with some stuff, sent it back to him. He sent it back. I'm like, you know, it wasn't very encouraging. So, you know, I tried to explain to him where we were coming from. And, you know, listen to John Murray's riffs. Listen to your riffs back in the day. English Dogs were always a great riff band. Always, like, really kind of overblown, challenging stuff. Let's try and do something like that, but with all the fat trimmed. Let's just get rid of all the, you know, minute songs and just get in, do the business, and get out and see what it sounds like. So he sent me a track. He sent me another track, which is called Gorganized on the new record. And I was like, yes, that's where we're at. That's exactly what we want to be doing. I was absolutely pumped by it. And I wrote a lyric to it. You know, I wrote, bear in mind, we all did this in our own home studios. I've got, like, a lockout rehearsal space. I've just got my kit armed with Pro Tools. I just go in there. And, you know, we were flying stuff backwards and forwards, file sharing. And even though we weren't in the same room, we were in multiple contacts every day and going, no, not like this, like this. How about trying this? And what about that part? And let's stick that bit in there. And we kind of crafted Gorganized into being, like, the modern equivalent of the track ordeal by fire off of Forward Into Battle. And I really felt that we kind of captured something that was like that, but without it being so overblown. And after that, he kind of dried up. And I was like, hey, I was like prodding him every day. I was like, dude, you know, what's fucking going on? We've got this, you know, let's roll with this. He's just like, well, I'm staring at a blank tape recorder and I've just done what to do next. And, like, I was energized by Gorganized. I was like, fuck, this is like, you know, come on, I've got all these fucking ideas. So I was in my room and I'm like, fuck it. I've got all this shit in my head. I'm just going to lay it down as drum tracks because I'm no fucking guitar player or, you know, I can hold, like, a very, very basic tune on the bass guitar. But I thought, let's try this. I had all these ideas going through my head and I was like, right, I'm going to write the intro, the verses, the middle eights, the everything. I'm going to write a drum track with all these inflections. And I sent it to him. And two days later, he sent me back an amazing song. Just written on top of, without changing at all, this, like, three-minute song of drums that I'd put together. He's like, this is great. This is like, you know, just got my juices flowing again because it's all written for me. It's like I'm writing to a template. So I had this week of incredible inspiration where I was like, fuck, this is obviously working. Let's just do it like this. And morning, noon, and night, I was like, I've got another idea. I've got another idea. I've got to get it down. So I raced into my room and I was just like, fuck, you know, here's another one. He's like, boom, two days later, there's another song. I've got another one, guys. Boom, there it is, another song. Wow. That's exactly how this record came together. You know, and once we got like six or seven of these where we definitely defined a style and a feel that we wanted, then, you know, he started, like, coming up with other ideas as well of his own. When, say, I was stuck on something, he would come back with me. Right. You know, I know you can't really think of something, you know, dead right for this, but what about this? And I was like, fuck, yeah, it's brilliant. You know, and we just had a real, you know, we clicked again after all this time, which was, it was a real, like, magical moment. So, you know, in essence, the core of the album was just written in that week. And I was really pumped by it. Well, you know what, man? I can't take it anymore. I need to play this track right now, man. This is the world-exclusive debut of the new English Dog single, Turn Away From The Light. This is off the soon-to-be release. English Dog's record, The Thing With Two Heads. Hands off, Jenny. Let's play this now. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Turn Away From The Light The story is ending, it's tragic, defending the truth. Turn Away From The Light Turn Away From The Light Our father is not in heaven, hallowed be thy name Thy kingdom come, thy will is run, thy family speak with them Free us this day, our daily lives, and forgive us our restlessness As we celebrate the visionaries, the leaders and the temptation Misery, when you got no hope, the end of a road made to fix your laughter Tragedy, holes in memory, broken grooves Prejury, it's a darkened room, clarity looms when you fade in fast Therapy, it's a shotgun blast away Tragedy, holes in memory, broken grooves Tragedy, holes in memory, broken grooves The architect of your demands, no surprise that it's you An innocent victim of false property, ha! And by spinning to the promise, my dance to the tune Bible-enhanced, the demands will break you Tragedy! Turn away from the light If it's guidance you're after, your master is hiding in you Turn! Turn away from the light The story is ending, it's tragedy bending the truth Got me a feeling, got me analytical proof Captain disastrous, they'll never take you alive Tragedy! Turn away from the light If it's guidance you're after, your master is hiding in you Turn! Turn away from the light If it's evidence, I don't think turn away Turn away! Turn away! Turn away! Turn your face from the light! Alright! That is the world-exclusive debut of the English Dogs new single, Turn Away from the Light, off the soon-to-be-released new English Dogs record, The Thing With Two Heads. Pinch! Yes, sir! That is sick! When will this record be out? It looks like, um, potentially May 25th. Nice! Nice! Will you be touring the United States again? Yeah, uh, we're definitely talking about it right now. I'd love to put something together that would be like, uh, along the lines of the Forward Into Battle tour for it, with, you know, a couple of great kind of metal, you know, thrash metal bands and a punk band. I'd love to keep, you know, buying the banner for that, because that tour was just so good. So, great. Uh, I really want to do it again. But, uh, we're just talking to people at the moment. So, um, you know, watch this space, basically. I would love to see that, man. I mean, you guys still bring it, and the, uh, you guys keep teaching these young kids, uh, you guys keep kicking their asses on stage, man. You keep, uh, not only do you hold your weight, but you keep teaching them a lesson. How can people get a hold and keep updated with the English Dogs? Well, we got a, uh, Facebook page that we just set up. It's called English Dogs Metal. Uh, not to be confused with English Dogs Punk from Nottingham, which is an old page from an old band in the UK. There's only one English Dogs. That's, uh, you guys. That's right. Exactly. We're the, uh, you know, we're putting it out there. We're, uh, we're the band that toured in the States last year. We're the band that, uh, that people want to see over here. So, uh, you know, hopefully we can get it together. We just... We're really stoked by, um, the Damned booking agency, actually. Stormy at Leap Home Booking. So, um, you know, she's a really fantastic agent, and, uh, she'll be doing some good stuff for us as the year goes on. But I'm really stoked. Like, if we can get this record out on the release date that we're talking about, um, it gets it out there for the summer, and hopefully, you know, people who are booking, like, metal festivals and stuff, they'll be like, oh, fuck, this is real. Yeah, okay, it's happening. It's a good record. Fuck, you know, we'll give it a chance. So that's what we're aiming for, you know? Well, I gotta tell you, man, that single is sick as fuck, and I want to thank you for being on The Very Manic Jimmy Capp Show, and I'm excited to see you guys play live again. I will be excited to do it for you, my friend. Andy Pynchon, aka Pynch of the English Dogs, thank you for being on The Very Manic Jimmy Capp Show, my friend. Thanks, Jimmy. Oh, by the way, if anybody hasn't told you today already, you're an asshole. Thank you, man. Cheers. Cheers, Pynch. Bye-bye. Ciao. That was funny. Oh, that's a great band, man. That's the dude. Amazing. Now, counselor, it is time to digress what we've all been waiting for. Yes, yes. This is really why I'm back. This is why I'm excited on this Sunday. It's not Free Shit Sunday, but it's still fucking Cool Shit Sunday. Yeah, we're gonna transform the show into the Valentine's Day show. We're shifting. Let me introduce the very lovely Dr. Jimmy. Dr. Jimmy. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr. Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Dr Sunday. Now, Dr. L'Amour, you are a clinically licensed relationship and sex therapist, correct? Can we get the mic? Yes, yes, yes. Okay, we have shot a flare in the sky. We have called for you to come here and assist one of our... How could I word this properly? Let's just say he's a special case. Yeah, you know, for those of you that listen to this show, you're familiar with Gonorrhea Tony. Gonorrhea Tony is this individual who contacted me, who listened to the show, and we brought him on here, and he's a very great guy. He's got a great personality. He's fun to eat with. He's fun to eat with. I want to hear more about that. The thing that I related to him is the fact that, you know, as a therapist, as a relationship sex therapist, I think you would agree or not, please interject. It's very important in your adolescent years to develop that rapport, or that ability to communicate with the opposite sex, females, because that is how your adulthood and your relationships will be determined. Meaning, if you are able to be, to converse and approach a young lady and keep her attention, not put her on guard. Keep her interested and yet not frightened. Then you would have... And Tony has failed all of that. What I'm trying to say is, seriously, it's important when you're... It is, it is. It's important to develop that, because that, when you become into adulthood, that determines where your sexuality will... Just relationships in general. Right? Let me be honest with myself here. Let me be honest with you about myself. I shared this with you. When I was an adolescent, I literally was a misfit. Aside from the music preference that I was involved in, I was also a misfit, because I had an extremely severe case of shyness. I had low self-esteem, low self-image, to the point where that's what threw me in that direction of rebelliousness. I portrayed myself to not care and not be a part of society, but in reality, deep down inside, I was severely hindered by that, and I felt very, very alone, very isolated, and very lonely. When I was in high school, I had no ability to approach women. Whatsoever. Being that at the time, this is all, till this day, I'm still connected with the music. The music is what empowered me. But at the time, this extreme music was not popular. It was not known. It was a subculture that we call the underground. So I was even more awkward. I was even more awkward looking. It was less acceptable. Yes, you know, and at the time, law enforcement, education, education, just let's just say, the stacks were wholly against your favor. I was not going to get laid whatsoever. Everything was against your favor. What ended up happening was, is that I just had, till this day, I'm tortured by my experiences then. To the point where not only did I learn that I had to develop some sort of communication. I had to incorporate and push out my personality because I was not a creepy person. I looked creepy, but I wasn't. But that shyness really was a cinder block. You were reserved and you couldn't really communicate with very, very reserved. And what ended up happening is it affected my early 20s. In my early 20s, it went into a point where I felt desperate. To the point where I was seeking out the advice of these so-called ladies guys, which they were all a bunch of idiots. I must have no fucking idea. I did. Oh my God. I did the most ridiculous shit. I still owned cowboy boots and jewelry and I would go to the club and position. I would stand. The body language was like this. And I had to order the most expensive tequila and not drink it. Then from there, I had to purchase cocaine and I had to... I mean, the only way... Do you still have those skinny jeans? Yeah, I still do. Anyways, this is not about me. But just to give you an insight, I finally discovered after decades of torture that the only way that you could be sexually attractive, the only way that you could interact with women on the positive is if you just embrace who you are. And that's when I discovered that... By the way, I'm not saying this to sexually stimulate you ladies. But that's when I discovered I had a great personality. Yes, and you do. I had a great sense of humor. Yes. I could hold a conversation. Definitely. And all of a sudden, I was like, all these negatives turned into positives. Right. You also have a great diabetic glow too, counsel. Yeah, exactly. But what... It took me a long time. And till this day, I still... I get up every morning like an alcoholic. I look at myself in the mirror and I say, you need to be confident. I have to be confident. Yeah. I found myself being with beautiful, sexually attractive ladies and I'm sitting there like, I can't believe I was with this girl. It wasn't me. There's a disconnect still. Because there's still self-judgment and a lot of... You know, discomfort with this position. It's hard for people. I mean, most people struggle and when you entailed everything that... When you detailed everything that you were going through, I wanted to say that the majority of society goes through these things. I mean, what we see, Hollywood, you know, the scene, it's not real. Most people don't just fall into a relationship. Most people don't know how to communicate with the other sex. Unfortunately, we are... You know, we're just remote from the jungle, but we're just animals. I always say we just dress better. But we don't know how to do this. And then, they have it easy. They don't need to communicate. They just... I told you on the break, they just mount each other. Yeah. Just like gay men. Yeah. Just like... I'm so jealous. There's so much communication. It's even harder there, by the way, in this community. But in general, it's really difficult. And most people don't... And I want to say that females don't necessarily have it easier. I mentioned in our previous conversations that the fact that women... Just the fact that they have a vagina makes it easier, but still, you know, you have to communicate. You have to build this ability to communicate with the other sex and impress them and make them feel comfortable, all of the above. So you took advice from people that allegedly know the way, you know, but they don't. No. And it proved itself. They were toxic. I mean, really, Cowboy Boy... I mean, for guys, what do you say? You know what? If I had balls, I would have brought in the photos. What I ended up discovering was the fact that the women that they were attracting were toxic women, were very insecure women, were very... Obviously, that's why they were, you know, being promiscuous. Right. On top of that was... Which is the main reason why I wanted to have you come here and talk to Tony is the fact that I put myself in physical harm with the activity because it got to the point where, like, I just... I just needed to get laid. Right. But I was sleeping with women that had... Thank God I did not, you know, contract an HIV disease or what have you. I make jokes about... Or any STD. Well, I tend to love chlamydia, but that's a whole other story. But the point being is that, you know, due to that initial disconnect, it put me in harm's way for decades, and I was fortunate to avoid that. Another thing is mentally. Yes. Would you agree that if you do not develop, uh, proper... Social skills. Social skills that mentally it does affect you? Because I know a lot of bitter, hateful men. And women. Oh, yeah, I know. And women. Yeah, the cat woman is the typical... We gotta bring him in, counselor. Yeah, let's... We've buttered this up a little too well. Alright. I'm excited. Let's bring in Gonorrhea Tony. Let's... Jenny? Does he have a theme music? Yeah, let's bring in Gonorrhea Tony. Johnny, you wanna come over here? Yeah. I'm so excited. Bring in Gonorrhea Tony. Woo! Look at this sexy guy. Right there. See two, my friend. You're fucking creepy. Alright. How you doing there, Gonorrhea Tony? Put on your headphones. Hey, you look shy now. Are you shy? I'm nervous. You're nervous. Alright, let me be very honest with you. A lot of people contacted me during the week thinking like, wow, because I don't know if I... I don't know if I shared this with you, Dr. Cole. Yeah. I'm also a very sadistic person. A lot of people contacted me during the week stating that what I was doing with you was extremely cruel, that I was really pushing the fucking envelope of like low-class behavior. And I don't explain myself to nobody, but I've had conversations with you this week where I told you and I shared my torturous fucking adventures. And this is why I brought you here, because I don't want to see you go in that road that I went through where till this day, I'm not... I'm dealing with issues that affect relationships I'm involved with now as an adult, as a 43-year-old male. So this is to benefit you. Okay? This is not to make fun of you, and you need to be very honest. Are you comfortable? No, I'm very comfortable. This is Dr. Lamore. She's here to help you. She's a real doctor, dude. I know she is, dude. This is Luann Hernandez. She's also here to help you. Look at your body, Luann. You look so fucking... He's very sweet. That's alright. Does it bother you, or are you even aware that you are a creepy fucker? And I don't mean that to be offensive. No, it's true. I've seen that stuff happen. You've seen that, right? Yeah, I've seen girls like... You know? You know, just get a little creeped out. Kind of like Luann right now. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Where would we begin with this? Like, what... How do we dive in? Talk to us about your... Say you see an attractive young lady. Yeah. What is it that you do? What is your approach? Hey, how's it going? What's up? How you doing? You know? So you're gonna approach any woman that you find attractive? Yeah, I was like, hey, how you doing? You know, if I get that cool vibe off of them, I'll say, hey, how are you? But if I don't get that vibe, like, you know, like... You know, I gotta feel that vibe for me to say, what's up? How's it going? You know, if I see them... I'm sorry, I'm gonna be... No, please. You gotta be honest. I'm examining what you're saying. If I see them walking, not even looking at me, thinking that they're the shit... or that they're the shit don't stink... Dude, I don't even fucking say hi to you there, dude. You know, I'm just sorry. I'm just... I think a pullback question would be... Tony, what... Physically, what kind of girls... Like, what physical attributes do you like in a girl? I'm open-minded, dude. I mean, do you like, you know, a big girl? You like big girls, skinny girls, big asses, big thighs, whatever. I don't like no big girls either, dude. Come on. Just say it. I'm asking you a question. It's a specific one. Nice-looking chicks, you know? Everything that is attractive. The thing is, yeah, I'm just curious because from what my understanding is that you don't really conduct, you know, normal relationships. Tell me about your relationships. Yeah, Tony, relax and open up and be honest because this is to benefit you. I'm just curious what kind of relationships do you have and did you have? Just in general. I'm curious about the nature of them. Today would be nice. I mean, you know what's up, GV. Yeah, but I can't speak for you. This is to benefit you. Be honest. Relationship, yeah. Have you had a girlfriend? First of all, how old are you? 28. Okay. This is not to make fun of you. No, and be completely honest. Look, really, I want to know. Did you have any form of relationship? Not really. Not at all. Not really. Back in the days, we're talking about 06 or 2006, I was dating this typical Mexican chick. She was nice looking, you know. Okay. But what turned me off, you know, was just like... I'll be honest. I've never really had a girlfriend because I had a crazy life, you know. What turned you off? Let's go back. I've seen her. I've noticed she was sleeping with her own brother. Oh, yeah. Well, on that note... We just made a hard left. And I'm like, I don't want to be with that dude, you know. Right, right. So, I'm sorry. So, back in the days, when I was like doing high school, instead of being around with girls, I was a mean-ass pothead, stoner, you know, marijuana. I was hanging out with the rockers, the metalheads. So, I was always... Instead of being around the chicks... Right, you were with the guys. Yeah. Smoking, doing drugs, you know, just doing negative stuff. Instead of being around girls, I'm out here just smoking weed, smoking other shit, you know. Right. Why would you do that? Would you do that because you felt... Like, for instance, I never... I'm sorry, Jimmy. It was like a stress reliever, you know. Okay, that's what I was going to get to. Yeah, and you were right. I mean, you were going in the right direction. Yeah, I'll see dudes out there with their hot chicks or whatever, and I'll be like, you know, fuck those. I'm going to smoke some weed. You know, it's just... Yeah, it eases you. Right. Doctor, is this kind of like patterned behavior? Yes, and I want to get to it. I just want to... Before I start dissecting it, I want to ask, and I'm jumping ahead. Now, the... Whatever sexual relationships that you did have, were only with sex... Bot sex, what you may say. Bot sex? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Be honest. Be honest. Only once. I mean, the only time I never... I never paid it was at a little cake bag, you know. We were doing drugs. It was a little broad right there. Like, hey, what's up? You know, we're just doing shit, you know, whatever. Right. So it just happened. It just happened, but ever since then, you know, I was always a fucking druggie. But I'm clean now. I'm sober. I'm... Right. Okay, but prostitutes mainly, right? Yes. And so when you... I quit that stuff too, you know. So you don't see prostitutes anymore? Not no more. The last time I did that, it was 2013. Yeah, right. When he brought that to my attention, I was very alarmed by that because of my experiences. And I shared with him that, you know, that maybe he should reconsider. Right. You know, there's just... Please correct me if I'm wrong. There's... In the male community, there's this belief that you have to... Excuse my language. You have to bust a nut. Right. If you're not getting any sex, then you need to masturbate. But predominantly, it's a very alpha male environment where you're ridiculed. Right. You're made fun of. Yeah, the Western society, yes. In some cases, you're forced... And... Advocating of that. Yes, it's very true. And the reason I asked Tony about his behavior with women and the same token with prostitutes and when he mentioned that he was smoking in high school and the whole idea of whatever form of... Drugs. Of addiction. These things come from exactly the same source. What I'm trying to say is all abusive... I don't want to call it, but for the sake of the argument, we'll call it this way. All abusive behavior... Come from the same problematic source. Which is suppression, repression, inhibitions, things that make you feel uncomfortable with your feelings. Right. And most of the time, as he said, when you... And you mentioned it. When you would go and smoke with the guys, it would ease your mind and you wouldn't think about it and then you would feel more comfortable. Same goes for pain for sex. You don't have to because society expects the male to be in conquest all the time. In Western society, it's very different. In Eastern society or tribal societies, completely different. But in our society, we really are motivated by this conquest all the time. And so if you don't engage in this activity, you're looked at as a loser, you're looked at as someone that is not achieving, you're looked at as not a man, you're a pussy. Exactly. Okay? And that's a problem, even though I resent the use of that word because I think pussy is great. But for that matter, it's a problem because this is what we are taught to view as the perspective of the successful male. And so when you engage in any sexual activity to fulfill a need or a fear or an inhibition, it becomes... And I specifically relate sex to binge eating for instance because it's not an addiction like drug abuse or alcohol that you completely can cease using. With food, you cannot do that. And same goes for sex. I find it that I brought you here for help, but this is more directed at me. I find myself also having a problem with overeating. Yeah, it goes from the same. I mean, last night at 4 in the morning, I was like fighting, like those cookies were heroin and I ended up losing. But it is true because if you're trying to fulfill a hope or a need, you end up doing it excessively. And this is where the problem comes from. It's not the sexual urge. It's not that the fact that he wants to get laid is what pushes him to go to a prostitute. Right? It's not that. Because he can masturbate or, you know, there's other forms of release. Right. But it feels some sort of a different need that we really struggle and all of us struggle with it to some extent. People that have a personality that is more addictive in a manner and he kind of realized that he has that personality. Back in high school. And now, you know, it stays with him. So where does is that where the creepy traits come into play? Yes. They don't come from the actual trait. Yes. It comes from that inhibition, from that fear. You know, I'll give you an anecdote about, I don't know if you know him because I come from a different culture, but there's the Belgian author called Georges Simeneau. He was responsible. I'm doing it with my... Yeah. So he was responsible for a character of some detective. I'm not gonna go into the whole story, but he was always bragging about having made love to 10,000 women. That was his story. Now, in regards to whether the authenticity of that statement, whether or not, it doesn't really matter. What I'm trying to say is that that compulsion that he had came from a fear that he had, he felt inferior to women. And so this inferiority kind of created the fear, a fear that he had in himself, and then a rage over that fear. So it was a cycle that kept going back, going back, and the only way that he could deal with that feeling is to get, to put these women into his bed and, you know, just fuck the shit out of them in a very general manner. Is that, would it be appropriate to say that that is how you redeem, redeem your self-worth? Yes. All of a sudden you feel more manly, you feel more secure because you, if you put the other in a lower position, it makes you higher. Right. It's very common, it's very human behavior. But is that healthy though? No. Not at all in any way. Let me ask you this, Tony. You shared with me an incident of a young lady that you were attracted to. Right. Right? Like, are you comfortable and have you embraced, and are you aware that you are socially awkward? Are you aware of that? I mean, or do you disagree with me? No, I agree with you. You agree, right? And you do want it to change. Of course. And you do want it to change, right? Because I'm... Because that's half of the battle. Let's be real men here. See, I'm 43 years of age and I still am barely getting to that point where I could have a real relationship with a woman, where I could have it evolve into a marriage and family, etc., etc., etc. Right. Where I'm at. I'm still trying to get there, but your creepiness is fucking way beyond mine. You put women on guard right off the bat. Are you aware of that? Yep. Share with the doctor the experience of that young lady that you were attracted to. And what transpired after that? You know, the one that gave you your shit back? Oh. Oh, come on. What? No, tell me. He's like, oh. Oh, no. Share with the doctor. All right. I went to this... We're not here to make fun of you. We're here to help you. This is for your benefit. I even got gypped off. You know, I've gone to those guys that do their card reading and they tell you future. I got gypped off. Are you aware of what he's talking about? He's talking about in the Hispanic community, in the Latin community. Yeah, but in general, I think it's common. They're like witch doctors. Yeah. I mean, it's like, I'm... I've even done that in desperation. Because, again, we're so in need of answers and, you know, something to ease our mind. We'll always go like dogs after something like that. Real quick. That doesn't work, right? Because I just bought candles last week. Are you kidding? Yeah, so go ahead, please. So, I mean, I even got gypped off. Like, I went to... Last time, I mean, this guy, I paid first. He goes like, hey, you know what? Let me tell your future, whatever. Boom, boom, boom. He throws a card. I paid him like, what, 40 bucks or 45 bucks? He starts reading the cards and now he goes like, I don't, you know, boom, boom, boom. You have good luck, but you know what? You're blocked. Hey, you like this girl and... I don't want to say what's up. You know, so he goes like, you like this girl? And I was like, how does he know? Wow, this is amazing, you know? And he goes like, but you like her. And she likes you. But it's not going to happen until you have this evil spell that I have to unblock. Sounds unbelievable, doesn't it? It's like so typical. But it's crazy how this is what happened. But I'm going to help you unblock this spell, but it's going to cost you this much money. Of course. You know? And I'm like, but first, okay, if you pay me all this much money, we're talking about lots of money, you know? Yeah, I'm sure. I'm going to help you. And I'm like, but first I have to see what's inside of you. You know, but first you got to pay me. He first, he starts doing like this little ritual, whatever ritual, whatever. Ritual. Yeah, whatever. And he goes like, boom, boom, boom. You know what? There's this animal that's inside of you. And I was like, whoa, no, he goes like, yeah, I'm doing these prayers. So what he does, it was crazy. That's what made me, this is what made me believe him and give him all that money. Oh, it's sad. You did? I did. So what happened is he does all these crazy rituals, whatever. He does all these prayers and whatever. He gave me like some mineral water and all this crap. Of course. Spit. You got, there's some black stuff inside of you. Spit. And I'm like, bleh. Now, I actually did spit some black stuff, like some black ink. And I was like, what the fuck? This is weird, you know? Bleh. Spit. You got, there's some, there's some kind of animal inside of you. And I was like, bleh. And I was like, bleh. And I'm like, so nothing's coming out? He goes like, you know what? This is all for a girl that you like, right? I guess, yeah. Fuck. Hell yeah. What did you do for some pussy? Yeah. So anyways. So anyways, he goes like, you're going to go home. I'm going to have this. You're going to, um. It's called. You're going to. You're going to eliminate the demon that's inside of you. Yes, okay. Yeah, you have to release. You have to release the material, you know? Right, right, yes. So what I want you to do, I don't want you to do number two on the toilet. I'm going to give you. You got to get this bucket that's. Oh my God. Are you okay there, Ms. Hernandez? Because you look like you're a bunch of woman. No, it's just. I just feel bad listening to your story. It just sounds. I'm like. Let's speed it up a bit. Did you. After you did this ritual. Whatever. I actually did. Did you. Did you have any romantic connection with this woman that you paid all that money to? Now, doctor, let me ask you this. Is that common behavior for someone who. Would it be appropriate to say that. That's. In desperation? Yes. And is that common? Yes. Okay. Because if we are in need of an answer, as I told you, anybody that will come our way and promise something that can put us at ease is a go. And unfortunately, these people. And as he. As Tony described. How does she know? How does. Oh, it's like 90% of the people have someone special in their life. Yeah, it's body language. I mean, it's like. Profiling. Yeah. They just, you know, they just throw things there. And most of the time, they'll hit. And I mean, it's like, it's simple. But they'll approach them. I mean, if someone like that will approach me, I'll tell her to take a hike. But if she sees you and you seem like in need of an answer, they'll approach you and they'll squeeze the life out of you and take all your money. How damaging is a scenario like that? And then also, I mean, obviously, we're going to get to the prostitution and danger. Right, yeah. But how psychologically damaging is that for our poor Tony here? Because here he is, shelling out good hard-earned money. Yeah. To try to, you know, mystically, you know. Remove a curse. Right, right. Yes. So you get laid with the girl that he finds attractive. Woo, yeah. It's been, you know, if you remove the curse, you gain laid. Does it subconsciously damage his self-esteem even more? Well, yeah. It puts you in a position where you develop this hope, you know, and of course, obviously, it's not going to work because it's a bunch of bullshit that they sell you. So, it puts you in a worse position. But I think that he went through a lot. And I think that other factors are more, you know, infecting his mental health than this one. I mean, I would advise not to do that ever again. I'm not. I'm sorry. Yeah. But what made me believe that guy, I really had a big, fat, ugly caterpillar inside of my stomach with like a million hands and stuff. That's what made me like, whoa, whoa. How do you know you had that? Because it came out of me. Okay. It really came out of me. He told me, there's going to be this animal inside of you. Can we get a waist pass to get it for you? No, I'm serious. It's not funny. Yeah, no, but. So, I really had it. So, he told me, I followed his instructions. I grabbed the animal with some whatever, put it inside a jar with alcohol and I gave it to him. I'm like, whoa, right when I saw that big old thing coming out of me. And you weren't high at this time. That's what made me believe him. And that's what made me pay all that money to that guy, you know, because I saw that thing come out of him. And I was like, you know, this guy is real. I was fine. All right. Let's, because we're going to start getting to the positive here. I don't want the audience to think that I'm just making fun of you here. Yeah, no, not at all. Prostitution. What led you to go to prostitutes and how long have you been doing that? You know it's illegal in the United States. Yeah, it is. Okay, you know it's also dangerous. Yeah, it is. You know that a high percentage, I have friends and associates in law enforcement. Not only is it illegal, are you aware that in Los Angeles and the surrounding counties that a good 75 to 80% of prostitutes test positive for HIV and other STDs. Let me tell you, herpes is no fun. No, none of them are fun. Whoops. So are you aware of that? Was that in, did you think of that? When you would engage in. Yeah, I'm like, fuck if I'm using a condom, nothing's going to happen. Even with a condom, you could contract. That's true. Would you agree, doctor? Yeah, definitely. I'm not a physician. It's not, it's not, it's not 100%. For sure. But when you would go and have sex, how often would that be? Oh, you know, depends if I have enough money. You know. Yeah, I mean, it costs money. This is not funny now. No, no, no. No, it's a, it's a financial concern. Of course. I mean, it's, it's an expensive hobby. Yes. And the sad part about it is this is worse than a drug. Yeah. Yeah. It's very addicting. And I want to ask something like after you would have sex with a prostitute, would you pick the same person? Or would you go back to the same? Yeah. I'm concerned about. I've done that before. Done that. You know, she was hot, whatever, you know, I paid her. I still got some more money at home. You know, at home. I'll be right back. It's like an addiction. It's an addiction as they called it. Done that. Done that. Yeah. So the thing is, how would you feel after having sex with a prostitute? At the end, I'm like, fuck, this is sad. You felt bad. Mad at myself? You recognize that, right? Of course, dude. I'm like, fuck, this is, this is sad. No, that, that's a positive. So you see, this awareness, yes. That's a positive, right? There is hope. Absolutely. I mean, because the fact that he's aware and he felt really uncomfortable and kind of sad about it is a big factor in a way of healing because a lot of people that use prostitutes are coming from seeking a vengeance and not necessarily feeling bad or actually, you know, it kind of serves male dominance. So for them, it doesn't serve anything. They don't feel bad afterwards. They don't feel sad afterwards. They, you know, if anything, you describe that you wanted to get more and then you would spend money, but that's the addiction part. But physically and mentally, you felt kind of awkward about it and not good, which is a good sign. Yeah. Well, here's another thing I want to interject. Like I shared, you know, honestly with you, I've also have been in that crossroads where I find it interesting that I never, for some reason, felt, uh, compelled to seek prostitution within the United States. It was always when I was abroad, but I found myself, I don't, Tony, I, any, anytime you have sex with a prostitute, it's never pleasurable because there's no emotion. You're buying it. There's no emotion. There's no emotional connection there. Yes. Sexually, there's no physical, uh, satisfaction. Because it's like you're buying it. They're not, they're not going to, uh, uh, embrace you and, and, and seek all that you can be. It's a business exchange. It's a business exchange. Yeah, it's a transaction. Did you, did you recognize that? Like the chick's spreading there just having you hump her. She's like, fuck, I hope this guy gets off me. Right? Yes, it's happened before. Like, I mean, these chicks been, they were hot, you know, and I tried to even. But it doesn't matter. They're hot, but they're not fucking you. Yeah. When I'm fucking them, when I'll, I'll try to even kiss them, and they'll be like. Yeah, of course. Kissing is not on the repertoire of, no, it's not because it's all about, and most of them actually state that they don't want to kiss anybody. And we've seen it in movies and stuff, but it's true. Actually, their behavior is really kind of putting aside anything that may be personal. So it's all about just the sexual activity. And I want to say that really, it reminds me because a lot of studies, studies that deal with the John, the Johns, the customers, the ones that purchase these services. And a lot of them, and I apply it also for strip clubs or whatever it is. I agree. All of the above. Sex for money and exchange. It doesn't matter. And a lot of them actually, you know, fall into this illusion, not him. And this is a good, a good start. Fall into this illusion that, you know, what I like to call the strippers really like me. You know? Yeah. She's giving you that lap dance because she likes you. She likes your money. Not for the money. You know, but it's, it's funny, but a lot of, there's a lot of testimonials from customers that really have that feeling that all of a sudden they have this connection. Maybe I shouldn't even pay her. It comes down to that. Is it, is it, obviously, he still displays a moral compass because he shows an awareness and he feels bad about it. Whereas, say, other individuals, they become somewhat sociopathic. Yeah. As I said, serves male dominance. Now, let me ask you this. We're going to get into a music block. We're going to take a break because we're going to come back with positive reinforcement. Now, you know, you're very open. You're very honest. Yes. He is. Is it possible to alter that, not only psychologically, but also emotionally and even maybe, Johnny, maybe, can, I mean, the big, the question would be, can we all creepify this guy? No. Is gonorrhea, Tony, able to be redeemed? I think so. Absolutely. Definitely. All right. Let's, let's, let's take a break here. The ladies, we need a breather. Jesus Christ. I'm going to connect you with my supervisor. Let's. All right. All right. Let's break this minute up. 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All right, Lost Johnny, what did we hear? Oh, man, we heard, besides this awesome fucking radio being broadcast throughout the world, we heard Ghidra. The name of the song is Blood is the Harvest from the record Hexed, who are playing on Valentine's Day at the Complex in Glendale with Lord Dine and Death King. That is a Midnight Collective show, kiddies. I'm going to be there. It's going to go down. Church of the Eighth Day. Lost Johnny, you come back, you always fuck it up. Church of the Eighth Day. That's Dan. We don't want to mess up Dan's show. Sorry, Dan. I've been drinking. I've been drinking. And we heard Lord Dine. Perverse Osmosis. Kind of like my attorney to my right over here. From their record, Summon the Faithless. Please, let's return to this fucking goldmine of radio. Real quick. Church of the Eighth Day has graciously given us a pair of tickets for you can take. You don't want to take your fucking girlfriend to this. You don't want to go to the Cheesecake Factory or anything stupid like that. You're going to be fucking seeing Dr. Lamour. Take your girlfriend to a restaurant. Buy her a fucking joint and go to this show. You guys. Anyways. Lord Dine, Utero, and the Death Kings. What an ultimate Valentine heaviness event. Bring earplugs, bring weed, and bring ten bucks. Church of the Eighth Day, February 14th at the Complex. I love the Complex. We got a pair of tickets to give away right now. Send a message to Jimmy Cavs on Facebook. Don't text me. Don't come to my fucking house. Send it to me on Facebook saying, Gunnery of Tony has hope. There's hope for Gunnery of Tony. You get a pair of tickets courtesy of Church of the Eighth. All right. Let's resume. Now, Doctor. Yes. Gunnery of Tony has been very gracious and very honest. Very. I'm very appreciative of you. Let's commend him. Yes. By the way. Seriously. He's been very open. I noticed that your body language is very not only do you sympathize, but you're very compassionate. I am. Is this a common thing you see in your practice? Well, yes. If the patient, and I don't want to call him a patient, but if the person that is in front of me. Is very honest and giving and telling his story and not reserved. It's very comfortable for me to be compassionate and accepting. Because I don't want him to be closed. And he was, I saw when I just came in. You looked, your body language was defensive and you look like you're coming into. Are you comfortable now? Oh, super comfortable. He looks comfortable. Now let's, because you were honest and you were open and honest and you talked about, you know, uh, you're in. And as you know, I've shared with you my experiences. Okay. I mean, I, I get laid, but it's still, it, I still harbor. It never is easy. No, it's, it, you carry that weight. Right. Of all. I mean, dude, I still fucking, I've lost Johnny. Do I vent about all the vagina I missed in the eighties? Constantly. I'm not post-traumatic stress. I'm not even joking. No, no, no, no. I fully agree. Now let's talk about positivity. Yeah. How can we, what can we interject here with Gunnar and Tony where he can be, uh, cause you have no fear of approaching women. No. Which is odd. Is that normal? Cause I find that odd. Yes. No, it is. It is normal. As I said, you know, if you are fearful, usually, you know, it's not a part. His pattern is very different and mostly fearful people. As I told you in the beginning, don't approach prostitutes. They do other things that are not acceptable. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Stay away from Kowloon, by the way. I know. It's so comfortable and cool in there. You know, it's better than the flashlight. Now you just made me fearful of all produce. Thank you. I have to run to the supermarket. But the thing is, he's very, he's not fearful. And that is good because he has a few factors. And I want to really commend you for it. You have a few factors that work for you. One is that you're not fearful and you can approach women. We need to discuss how to alter that approach in a manner that will be, you know, more acceptable to the right woman. But we'll get to it. It's a long-term work. But to begin with, you're not fearful and you're very aware about your feelings, which is good. And you know that prostitution or purchased sex doesn't make you feel good, which is a good thing. I mean, to begin with. Because I have a big problem with the whole aspect. And I advocate prostitution. Do you? Really? I find that interesting. Why? I do. Not in the form that it is in the United States. Obviously, as you said, it's illegal. Even though there are certain counties in Nevada where it's allowed and regulated. But in a manner that is completely appalling. And I don't like anything about it because I think in capitalist prohibition, you may say, the prostitute is the one that is being persecuted. And sued and constantly harassed. And not the client. Which is, to me, very demeaning to women. Because women can choose whatever to do with their bodies. And again, I'm not talking about this. And I don't want to go into the whole thing. But there's different forms of prostitution. The 14-year-old crack addict is different from the Park Avenue call girl. It's very different. So, two different things. But the thing is, I do think that prostitution has a place. In society. Where there's a way that the law relates to it in the right manner. Because if you look at it in the capitalism view of things. As I said, the prostitute is being prosecuted and pursued and chased. And on the same token, because it's in a manner regulated in certain places. These women are being abused. And abused even more. And are being attacked even more. And nobody is really protecting them. I would say that, again, I disagree with you. Which is funny because of me being a male here. But I disagree with you because I think that it fuels not only... I think there's a time and a place for it. I think it should be legal. But I think there's a time and a place. Okay, yeah. But I think that... It's a long discussion. I think you need to... Correct me if I'm wrong. I think you need to understand that... There's really no pleasure when you have sex with a prostitute. And let me define that even further. Let's just say that you can't get any... You can't have a woman. So you go to a prostitute. Or let's just say you have these like... What is labeled as very extreme sexual desires. Oh, he doesn't. It's all normal. But when you're with a prostitute, they don't... You're not... You might as well just jerk off to a fucking porn. As I said, it's not the sexual urge. Yeah, you know. And the risk that you put yourself in. Not only... Physically and mentally. Yeah, especially mentally. Because I've noticed that a lot of men that go to prostitutes, they... What I would label become somewhat jaded. Obviously. And when they're trying to interact with women, which is what I saw with you one time when we were socially out, where that ritual... How did it look like? It was like... It looked like a fucking dog going on a steak. Okay. You know? Instead of the dance. Because there is a social interaction. I like... I really like the way you put it. It is a dance. It's a dance. It's a dance. You can't like fucking just run to the chick. And he's got two left feet. Let me tell you. Yeah. No, but when you used to dealing with... Just the... Yeah. Go ahead. So you acknowledge now... And this is not just my opinion. This is a licensed clinical... A real doctor. Two doctors. Or soon to be. Thank you. You know? But they're also females. Very attractive females. Did you feel uncomfortable when you first walked in and you're sitting next to two very uncomfortable females? I wasn't uncomfortable. I was just a little nervous. Okay. Because I find myself being uncomfortable when I'm around. Because in the head, I've already... Even though I know that I'm not a creepy fucker, but it's already embedded because of my experiences sexually. Right. In the road that I traveled. That no one interfered for me. So you should fuck me. Buy me a 12 pack after this. But what can we do to incorporate proper social etiquette and skills so he can begin the social dance to interact with a normal... Or not walk. Put his good foot forward. Yeah. First of all... You're late. Yeah. No. So first of all, it's a different... As I said, a different discussion whether a prostitution is good or bad and whether he should use it or not. Because I think in his case, it shouldn't be used. Based on... The previous experience. Right. And based on the fact that he does want to have a normal connection and a relationship with a woman. So first of all, you mentioned that you're not using prostitutes anymore. Okay. No, he stopped. Okay. So, okay. So that's the first step. He realized that he's not doing it and he realizes that he doesn't need it. So, you know, there are other forms of releasing, you know, sexual tension or a need. It doesn't really matter. But he's not using that to begin with. Now, how do you build really a good relationship? Or how do you build a social ability to talk to a woman? That's a long... You have to start with... I would suggest something that is more invasive. But I think that it's... Kind of like an in vivo type of intervention is what you're saying? Well, I would suggest a surrogate partner therapist. Ah. Because these women, what they do... And people assume, you know, I don't know if you guys... This is amazing. If you guys checked that movie, The Session. Okay. I know. Which I recommend highly. It's a very good movie. It's an amazing movie. And Helen Hunt is playing Cheryl Green, who is a known... And personally, I know that professional who was a very successful and still is surrogate partner therapist in the 80s. And she's playing her perfectly. But the idea is that these women, people assume that they're like prostitutes because you come, you pay, and you have sex. Completely untrue. Right. The idea is you have... The therapeutic part of it is that you build trust and connection and the ability to really communicate with the other sex. Which a lot of people, including our dear Tony here, doesn't have that ability. He needs to build it. It's... That kind of therapy, and I think that's the most important word, therapy, is more... It's more based on emotional growth. Right. As opposed to just physical stimulation. Right. And some of them don't even get to the physical part. It's limited to six sessions. Because there's the personal connection, and I can attest that even as a therapist that doesn't interact physically with my patients, sometimes the mental connection is getting to be too close. And you have to disconnect. So when someone is going to bed with you, it has to be limited. You cannot avoid this connection. And so in terms of these meetings that they have, it's turned into six meetings. And at the end of it, they don't even... They don't necessarily have to go to bed together. Right. But they'll build a connection, and then he will hopefully come out of it more understanding of the female soul, or how to approach a woman, and how to attain a relationship and keep it. Now, did you understand what she just described? I mean, because you need to be honest here, because you're looking like, what the fuck was that? Do you understand? No, because it takes a lot to process it, yes. It takes... I'm still, like, processing it. What about... It's... I don't want to say a healthy male, but a very secure, confident, functional male. I find it with myself that the cling factor, the stalker factor, the possessive factor comes into play. Oh, yeah. Where I need to check it. Because, again, being that I come from a very sexually deprived nature mentally... Yes. You know, there is that factor. Now, Tony, you shared with me that you... You were on that as well. You want to talk to the doctor about, you know, your stalker shit? What do you mean, stalker shit? Oh, you don't want to talk about that. You know what we're talking about. Oh, what? You know, your Facebook fucking thing. Oh, fake profile? Yeah. Wow, I have a fake profile? Wow, what's up with that? That's not out of the ordinary, dude. Yeah, everybody's doing that. Really? People have fake profiles. It's common. You know, it's unfortunately... Am I a fucking prudent? Isn't that... No. I never had a fake profile. So I could do a fake profile? Spy on chicks I used to date? That I never had a fake profile. But I think that it's very common in this day and age. And, you know, yeah. No, it's very common. But what were you using it for? What were you using it for? Just to scope out to this girl I used to date back in 08. Yeah, it was back in 08, you know? So, it sounds like you're still kind of hung up on her. No, I just want to just be up in the Kool-Aid without knowing what flavor it is. I just want to see what she's cooking for dinner. That's all. Yeah, just to see what kind of guy she has. What do you guys look like now? Are you looking to see what kind of guy she's dating or in a relationship with? To what? To try to mimic that guy? No, no. Just to be like, ah, fuck that. Because I find that fucking creepy. I don't have a vagina. I find that creepy as fuck. It sounds like whatever... No, no, no. It's fine. You don't have to worry. We're not making fun of you. No, it's like... Well, kind of. Obviously, she meant something to you enough where you're still... You're not over it. Like, there's something that's still going on there. I think he was just curious and tried to play a game. Thank you. Yeah. And which is also, you know, common. Again, people are doing it all the time. Yeah, go ahead. I do. I think the overall thing with... I mean, just the tone of this conversation is boundaries. Boundaries. They need to be respected and drawn. You are so right. Jamie, get out of here. Do you have three fake profiles? Boundaries. You are so right. You are absolutely right. And that applies to every aspect of our life. Only when it comes to sexuality. Most people don't really recognize it. And you shared something. It's something that we have to be on top of all the time. Especially if we have tendency to extremism. Right. And most people that are prone to addictions, any form, have that tendency. Philip Seymour Hoffman. Yes. We just mentioned it. Yeah. It's very unfortunate because you go, you push it. You push it a little more, a little more to see where it goes. And sometimes it ends really bad. I mean, we have to be in control of it. But... Yeah. I mean, I shared with you during the break. Yeah. And this one is really a big one. I almost choked to death. You know what I mean? Yeah. No, but it's true. Because this is a very dangerous practice. But it can be very erotically arousing. And a lot of people, there's a huge community that practices this fetish. And it's fine. As long as you know where you're going with it. Yeah. Boundaries. Yeah. It can be scary. So you mentioned that form of therapy. What else can we... Because obviously, Tony, you don't have money for therapy. Well, it's partially covered by insurance. Is it really? Yes. Boom. There you go. Boom. Yeah, it is partially covered. May I? May I? May I? And obviously, I've shared with this in our personal conversations. This is not to put you in an uncomfortable position. But like, can I try to like... Say you were at a social setting. And this is a... She's very lovely. She is. Okay. Thank you. How would you approach her? Be real. I'm going to be real. I'll be like, dude, I think that'll be hard, dude, because she's beautiful. Okay. And I'm like... They're both beautiful. Yeah, they are both beautiful. And I'm like, probably got to have big bank, you know, great job, you know. Well, you do, but that's beside the point. That's already a foot in the right direction. Exactly. You're employed. You know, like, he's going to probably go for lawyers and stuff, all that. But I'm not a lawyer, you know, because... Is it possible for a woman of your caliber to fall in love with a guy who recycles? Oh, yeah. Do you want to go see the English dogs next month? Are you impressed with the guy with like an array of fucking underground vinyl? You see, again, we're going back to the social part of it. Because in this culture, only if you have this... That's a misconception, right? Yeah. And also, you know, the status symbols. You have to have this. You have to have the car. You have to have the house. You have to have the job. You have to have the looks. Yeah. Fuck that shit. I'm sorry. No, it's true. Would it be safe... Ladies, would it be safe to say that it goes back to... I mean, I hate to say this word, but the old fashioned trait of personality... Yes. And confidence and the ability to entertain. Well, I think it's, for me, character. How is somebody going to be... Very well put. Yeah. It has to do with that, you know, because all of that stuff, that job, that car... I mean, we see it all the time. It can be taken away in a second. If you're really looking for a partnership... I know. No, it's true. Yeah. If you're really looking for a partnership, someone who's... You're looking for somebody who's going to be there when you're dying, who's going to make that decision whether to turn your machine off or to keep it on. It's very mechavric. Yeah, but it's true. What kind of a person do you want by your side? Do you want somebody that has a nice shiny car? Do you want someone that has a kind, gentle soul? Right. Right. I want to clarify what she said. I mean, there's a difference between character and being a character. Exactly. That's very different. Very true. Don't mix the two up. But I think that in this society, it's expected, and as he said, and I don't accuse him. I mean, he was raised here. These women would go for a lawyer, would go for someone, and what he was saying is that these women would look for status symbols. And I understand it, and I understand how society will look at... Because women have... Yeah. They have their looks to sell, and men have their... Whatever they encounter. Status to sell. Yeah. Whatever they can accomplish, or a job, or... And it goes back to our nature as... Animals. As animals. Because back in the mating dance back then, it was a symbol of if a man can go and hunt, it means that he can protect you. Yeah, he can provide. And so it's the same. It comes from the same. And if a woman is beautiful and she attains... Different features, that means that she's fertile. So it just stayed in a different manner. Interesting. Yeah, but it's the same. It comes from the same place, only today, the fact that we're flaunt our hair or wear something that shows our curves means to the animal inside that man that is approaching us, that we are fertile, that we are good to bear kids, even subconsciously. Interesting. So how can we implement... First of all, how can we implement the fact that Tony could be a provider? No, he can provide. He has a job, dude. He has a job. He's legit. And I think he has a good personality. I think he's aware and on top of those things. You hear that, Tony? You have a good personality. Yeah, I do think so. He has positive attributes. Again, what we want, this whole redemption aspect where we want to go now is have these positive aspects that he has now and apply them in a positive manner to where it's not going to affect him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's not going to be an issue where he has to explain things where like, well, I'm into this or I'm into that where that base understanding of that, of his character is going to be outwardly apparent in trying to approach... That's very well put, Johnny. Thank you. Would a exercise on the field and what I mean by on the field, let me define it as a social setting. Like we're in downtown Los Angeles right now. There's a lot of clubs. There's a lot of bars. It's a lot of people. The cannabis cup is going on right now. No, no, no. Oh, yeah. You throw him in there. Look at Salvatore Mike. Now he's speaking. Would that be an appropriate arena for an individual like Gonorrhea Tony? I think inappropriate is not the right word. I think it will be unfair. Why? Because I don't think he's ready. Really? Yes. So it's not that sink or swim mental attitude? Like throw him in the pool? No. Because I think that the fact that he was using prostitutes for a while. How many years has it been? Maybe, what, two, three years? But I'll take a break. Yeah, but the fact that it was a big part of his life means that even subconsciously again, I think he was attempting, you know, trying to not use it and then going back to it. That means that he's not ready. Oh, okay. Emotionally. Emotionally. Emotionally. And this is why. Why is suggested something of that form of a surrogate? Because it puts you in a place where you start walking. It's like a baby. You need to build, you know, setting stones. Where he is, and to a degree you are as well, counselor. Oh, I'm fucked. Both of you guys are at the very deep end of the ocean. And what the doctor is suggesting is to pull you guys back onto shore. Right. Very true. Very correct way you put it. That's the analogy. I don't know. Yeah. Correct. Correct me. Correct me if I'm wrong, though. But I think I've developed survival skills when it comes to mating where I become a chameleon. Right. And I come. Well, some might say that's deceitful. This is becoming very fucking personal with me. What I do is I dig deep down in myself and I bring out the minimum of what I feel can attract a female, which is my sense of humor, my personality. Yeah. And that's what I work with. It's like, OK, this is like I'm on a fucking desert island. It's like, OK, this is all I got to fucking make a fire. Well, fuck it. Let's make a fire. This is what I'm making, what I'm using to make the fire. But you have to remember that it took you years. Decades. To build it. Yeah. And he's not there yet. I'm not saying that it's not possible. I'm saying that. No, I totally agree. It is possible. I am saying, yeah, it is very possible. And if put in the right situation, it may happen. Mm-hmm. And definitely if the right person is there. If the right person is on the other side and is accepting and loving and welcoming, it could happen. But just in the jungle, it's kind of hard to throw someone into it, you know, and just expect them to adapt. And, you know, to be fair, it's very difficult. I mean, I can say this with my own experience. Yeah. As a male. We're all wackos here. No, it is difficult to date here in Los Angeles. It is. It is really fucking hard. Because, again, we're going back to the expectation, the cultural. You know, everybody is about selling something. It's not hard for Chester. I know, dude. Of course, Chester is the bomb. But again, he does all the studio. He is an executive. Hello. Yeah, but it is. It's difficult. It is difficult. People are looking for specific things. I mean, especially materialistic. Yeah. And this is what he mentioned. You know, these women are probably going for something. Right. I mean, so, I mean, for the short term, my question is, how can we... Tony, apply the pulling back onto short deal? Like, where can he go to try and interact in a positive way to, I don't know, just to meet a girl, to talk to her? Like, where can he go? I think any social setting that allows interaction that is not necessarily romantic would be a good, fruitful, you know, scenery for it. Senior citizen centers are great. Those chicks are dying for company. No, but seriously, I'm serious about it. Like I said earlier, curves. Check it out. Yeah, no, but it could be a gym. It could be a class of some sort, which I advocate more. Obviously, I'm a big advocator of education. I think that any form of something just that interests you, I don't know, like that you want to learn about, is a good place where you can find mutual interest with a woman because she's there. Both of you are there, so you're both interested. I'm glad that you mentioned that because what I, like a lot of people find me very odd. When I get a jury duty summons, I'm ecstatic. Yeah. Where's this stay in a life song at? Like, I'm like fucking John Travolta. Because I'm in a confined room with attractive young ladies who we have to be there for eight hours. And you have a mutual interest. And, you know, they have to talk to you. Right. Whereas like if I was at a club. And it's also an interesting conversation. Unlike a club. Yeah, you know, I even go as far. I mean, I used to be an avid reader. I even go as far as to pick like a book that shows somewhat of a. Like, camaraderie with females. Right. You know. Like, oh, wow. You're reading that. That's my opener. Jimmy Cavs is reading The Notebook. Oh, shit. The Notebook. Oh, my God. Fucking Joy Luck Club. Yeah. So is that healthy? Yeah. Because I always thought that was creepy. It is. It's not creepy at all. It's very healthy. It's very common. Barnes and Noble's is a good place to pick up women. That's actually very true. But it is true. But I really, I really recommend that you'll find something that interests you and find something in that field. And, you know. There's a lot of things out there, too. Not the five star bar. No. Not bars and not clubs. No. No bars or clubs. Yeah. Not anything that is, that demands, you know, a lot of social skills and a lot of, you know, things that you need to sell. No. Well, how does Tony, I mean, we got to ask Tony here. We've been talking about him. How do you feel? How does, you know, how are you going to apply this? I mean, where's your game plan from this point? I'm going to go to the gym. Start working out. There you go. That's actually good. The gym is good. The gym is a good place to meet people. I never visited a gym. But I'm guessing. I'm guessing that it's good. You know, I've worked out at a gym for many years and, dude, it's, I mean, that's the place you have to be careful. But we're neglecting one thing, though. He still has that creep factor, though. Well, I mean, you can't be creepy with a 20 pound dumbbell. I think it's a little tamed. Are you saying that as he interacts in these social pool, these positive social interaction pools. Yes, because. That he'll gradually lose that because he's interacting, like kind of riding a bike? Absolutely. Absolutely. Even on the short term, I see from the time that I saw him outside to the time that he's sitting next to me now, you're much more comfortable and we can communicate easily. Right. I think it's going to be the same way with a woman that he sits across from. Dude, making motherfucking breakthroughs on this piece. Yeah. Goddamn. Yeah. Let's hit it for 12 more. All right. Let's play some music. I'm sure people are like, dude, that's fucking rad. Dr. Lamore, you're amazing. Thank you, Harlow. Heads up, Jenny. Hit a tune.! Once upon a time There was a world with no inhibitions No rules and no regulations The world was taken Through authoritarian rule There was no prejudice There was no will to kill It's violence escalated It's time they said we do or die It's rhetoric escalated It's the news We have no thinking of a life It's the death of evil Like your mind You coincide with the pain And looting of evil The heart of sin Comes out of this With the sin And the blood of evil Those are dead Freezing in the race Manipulated to exterminate The weak and the raised It's the death of evil They take your life You know what's right But what's wrong with you? It's the death of evil It's the death of evil It's the death of evil It's the death of evil And the pain And looting of evil The heart of sin And those who notice And the pain And the pain I have just to I have just to minute minute minute minute minute minute minute minute minute minute minute minute minute minute minute minute minute minute minute minute minute minute minute minute minute minute minute minute minute minute minute minute minute minute minute minute minute minute Fight the jitters You can't win freedom Fight the jitters You can't fight yourself You can't fight yourself You can't fight yourself You can't fight yourself You can't fight yourself You can't fight yourself You can't fight yourself You can't fight yourself You can't fight yourself You can't fight yourself You can't fight yourself You can't fight yourself You can't fight yourself You can't fight yourself You can't fight yourself You can't fight yourself You can't fight yourself You can't fight yourself You can't fight yourself You can't fight yourself You can't fight yourself You can't fight yourself You can't fight yourself You don't have to be so selfish Thank you. I don't know Just where I'm going But I'm Gonna try For the kingdom If I can Cause it makes me feel like I'm a man When I put a spike into my vein And I tell you things aren't quite the same When I'm rushing on my run And I feel just like Jesus' son And I guess that I just don't know And I guess that I just don't know I Have made A big decision! I'm Gonna try To nullify my life Cause when the blood begins to flow And it shoots up the dropper's neck When I'm closing in on death And you can't help But I'm gonna try To make it help And not you guys Or all you sweet girls with all your sweet talk You can all go take a walk And I guess I just don't know And I guess that I just don't know What love means I wish that I was born a thousand years ago. I wish that I'd sail the darkened seas on a great big clipper ship going from this land here to that on a sailor's Sudan cab. Away from the big city where a man cannot be free of all the evils of this town and of himself and his own. Oh, and I guess that I just don't know. Oh, and I guess that I just don't know. Oh, and I guess that I just don't know. Man lives in the sunlit world of what he believes to be reality. But there is unseen by most an underworld of love and love. of love and love. of love and love. of love and love. An underworld of love and love. An underworld of love and love. An underworld A place that is just as real, but not as brightly lit. A dark side.