And now, ladies and gentlemen, for the handful in attendance and the millions listening on the web on skidroad.la, this is Madtime Radio. All right, everybody. Welcome back. Madtime Radio. Sir. And we're coming up on lucky episode number 13. And we got a lot of reciting guests in studio with us tonight. We also have Hector, our resident boxing guru. We're going rich. And, uh... Oh, you forgot to introduce yourself, man. Yeah, who are you? What's your name? Oh, I'm Rich. Oh, what's up, Rich? I'm Crail. Nice to meet you. Hey, what's up? Nice to meet you, buddy. What's up, Hector? I'm doing great, bro. How's it going? It's going good, man. Welcome back. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Good to be back. So why don't you let them know for everyone out there listening who we have in studio with us tonight. Well, today we're glad to have in our studio up-and-coming professional fighter, Roy Tapia. Roy is currently 2-0 with one knockout. Also in studio, his advisor, old friend of mine, Cesar Garcia. How's it going, Cesar? How's it going? We also got up-and-coming amateur MMA fighter, Jose Huerta, in studio. How's it going, Jose? How's it going? Cheddar, right? Yeah. Now, it was weird because this... Originally, we were playing to talking to Roy about your upcoming fight, but as it turns out, it fell through. What happened? Well, right after my last fight, on the second, they offered me the fight at the weigh-in, and I told them, yeah, that I was going to be ready. And maybe about two days after I fought, I got really sick, and I have asthma, too, so when I get the cold and stuff, it hits me a lot. It hits me really hard, and this time, I mean, it hasn't hit me like that for a really good while, and I was just basically just really sick, and I wasn't able to train for about a week and a half after I fought. So, I mean, it's just... It wasn't the right time. I should have been in the gym. You know, if I was in a fight on the 30th, I should have been in the gym right after, and I wasn't able to, so, you know, we had to let the matchmaker know that it wasn't going to be able to happen on the 30th. I mean, that was a quick turnaround. Your last fight, December 2, 2011, against Jose Garcia, that was over at the... Chumash. Chumash Casino in San Domingo, California. You got a four-round unanimous decision. At that time, you just figured, okay, we'll take this fight on the 30th? Yeah. Because that's that fight at... At Morongo Casino, right? Yeah, at the Morongo. I think it's going to be a Jermaine Taylor. Jermaine Taylor against Jesse Nicklau right there. It's going to be televised on Showbox. Yeah, yeah. When I went to go fight, I mean, I wasn't going to take the fight. I didn't think I was going to get sick. If I wasn't... If I didn't get sick, you know, after the fight, I would have been fighting, you know, on the 30th, but, you know, stuff happens, and it's just better to fight at 100% instead of being, you know, 80% fighting. Definitely. Right. How long was your training camp for this one? For this one? It was... It was about... I really didn't... I didn't really stop training at all since I debuted on September 30, and I didn't... I took maybe two days off, and I kept training since then really hard and never stopped, so... You cutting any weight for your fight? Yeah, for... You know, I... You know, when you're not really trying to cut your weight, you know, your body walks around. You walk around a little bit heavier. So, yeah, I cut about 11 pounds. Okay. I go up about that much, so... What's your weight division? My weight division is super-bandom weight, 126. Well, my second... My last fight was at 123, super-bandom weight, and my first one was at featherweight at 126. But I'll be going down eventually, probably down to bandom weight, 118. Wow. Can you make bandom? Yeah. Yeah, I can make... I know. I mean, when you fought Edgar Flores, your debut, you came in at 26. Next fight after that, 23, right? 23, yeah. Yeah, what a difference. Even, you know, on those weight divisions, look at MMA. I mean, we got... The lightest out there is with, like, 125 or something, like flyweight. Yeah. I think with anything, the smaller guys are always a lot quicker. Since, you know, you get the bigger dudes, they tend to slow it down. Well, definitely more exciting fights, you know, you see with the lighter weight classes. But, hey, I know that since we're on the radio and stuff, I know we got Cesar and Jose, and I was just trying to figure out at least what you're... Like, how you know these guys and what you do, Cesar. Well, mainly, I know Roy. I met him through my former trainer. I fought, I took some pro fights, and my trainer, who's a scout, I would say a boxing scout, had told me, had referred me, Roy, and pretty much told me, do my best to take care of Roy, set him up. And that's pretty much, you know, I've been... I'm now his advisor. Okay. So it was kind of like I'm trial by fire, really, I guess. Right. I'm learning as I go. And Jose, I actually started training with Jose and, you know, letting him punch me, and I'm punching him around, and, you know, now we're good friends and still kept, you know, trying to... get his game, his boxing game better and get up there, you know? Once he turns pro, he's... gonna at least be able to punch a little bit, you know? So pretty much, like, kind of like a mentor, right? Yeah, I guess. Because, I mean, you've already, I mean, essentially paid your dues in a ring, and it's... I mean, it's trying to get the young guys up and coming. I guess mentors make me feel kind of old, you know? That's all right. Yeah, yeah, I guess that's what it is, a mentor. Yeah, okay, cool. No, also, why don't you tell us about, you know, what we were talking about earlier, you know, how you were saying, you know, you're looking for a stable of Mexican fighters, and you're looking to... Yeah, yeah, I'd like to... One thing that I've always had in mind is to help the MMA game grow among Mexican people, and I know that the way that's gonna happen is if we have successful Mexican fighters, and preferably it would be Mexican-born, the next best thing would be the, you know, American-born to Mexican parents, guys like Jose here who speak perfect Spanish, perfect English, and once we can get them, to start doing good and being successful fighters, then I think the game will grow amongst the Latino crowd or the Mexican crowd or the fan base that everybody is out there kind of chasing, you know? Right, and what do you feel... What is your opinion of the people that are currently representing, you know, like the UFC and stuff as far as, you know, Mexican-American fighters or Mexican fighters? The fighters themselves? Yeah. I mean, obviously, the guys that they're representing now, they're great fighters. I mean, you got guys like Diego, Diego Sanchez, you know, the heavyweight, or what's his name? No, well, Kane. Kane, yeah. Kane Velasquez, yeah. Those guys, I mean, they're great fighters, you know? His Spanish is not that great, man. Exactly. You know, I think that makes a difference. I think it makes a difference. Let me ask you something. I mean, don't you think that this market, I mean, it's primarily, let's say, Mexico's market, that's probably the hardest market to keep to in MMA because of how well-established their dominance in boxing is? I don't think it has anything to do with the... that boxing is such an established game. I think it's more that there hasn't been that fighter to cross over into the Mexican market and really catch their eye. You know, I don't think that guy's there yet. You know, Mexican people, if you don't do good, they'll be like, oh, well, you know, pa' la otra, or maybe the next guy will step up. But if he's not winning, then, you know, it's going to be hard for them to pay attention. Okay, I think, well, you know, just to debate that, I think the... what happens is MMA is a lot of wrestling base and you don't have a lot of Mexican wrestlers, per se, right? Unless you, you know, unless you grew up in Iowa or something. Exactly, yeah. Right, so... It's... I don't think they get the wrestling aspect of it, but I had an uncle in Mexico who was a wrestler, you know, with the mask. El Canserbero was his name. And as soon as I showed him MMA, this was years ago, he got it instantly. You know, he knew this body control, but because of his base as a wrestler, or Lucha Libre guy, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe if they used that as an angle to get in, it might work. Yeah, because I know there's a big push to get, like, you know, at least Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu out throughout Mexico and stuff, because I got a buddy, you know, Jose, who's always telling me, come out there, open up a place, because they're all hungry for it. But, I mean, the base out there is different from here, obviously, because boxing is a big staple out there, right? It is growing, though. It's growing. I was out there once at Entram. You guys mentioned Entram and TJ. Yeah. I was out there with Uriah Faber, and Uriah was telling me how surprised he was, how good the grappling was, you know? So, once he said that, then I knew it was getting to the point where, you know, one day one of these kids is going to step up and get into the big leagues, you know? Yeah, there's definitely some evolution going on there, you know, as far as the sport growing in Mexico. You know, a lot of them are starting to embrace Muay Thai as well. Yeah, I have a little cousin who's a Muay Thai champion out in Mexico. Yeah, I have a friend, too. He moved. He was here training in L.A., and he moved out there to Manzanillo, and now he has his own gym. And even going to, you know, Puerto Vallarta on vacation. And Muay Thai fights and stuff and things that, you know, you weren't used to seeing, you know, being out of town and stuff. Right, right. But I think that the Mexican crowd now, like guys like my parents, you know, my dad that are mostly Spanish-speaking are starting to understand the ground aspect of it, at least know that it's not just two guys on top of each other now. They know that there's stuff going on, so I think they're starting to understand it. And then once that happens, it keeps happening, then these guys will start to stand out as fighters, you know? Right. So I agree. Yeah, I think we're also just, I don't know, getting ready to get ahead on the phone, so maybe when he gets on, you can get him introduced. And so both Jose and Roy, you guys are all and yourself train out at the same place. Right. Well, Roy trains at Maywood Boxing. Okay. And Jose trains or Cheddar trains at Black House. Okay. And Cheddar, tell us about your background. Well, I'm 5'5". I'm 5'5". And I'm an amateur. My first couple of fights, you know, they were kind of slack in the ground. And I was more like a striker and a wrestler. And I was really getting into the ground game, you know, like jiu-jitsu. But as soon as my second fight came in, you know, I started, like, you know, getting in the game. And now I'm, like, really good at defending and submissions. So, you know, I'm doing really good in my submissions defense, really good. And now my boxing is really solid. Like, it's getting better. Thanks to growing. thanks to Cesar taking me to Maywood, it's one of the best boxing gyms right here in Southern so far for Mexicans. And I've been getting close with Rory, and they've just been teaching me my hands, how to move them better, how to jab better, how to throw my combinations, just being more slick with my punches. Okay, so then really your background was really striking first time? Yeah. But I wrestled in high school too for four years. Oh, okay. Right on. And it looks like we have another person that's with your team is joining us on the show. We got him on the line here? Hello, Ed? Hello. Hello. Okay, this is Ed Suarez, manager from Black House MMA. Ed, you're on Mad Time Radio. Hey, how's it going, man? Good, good, good. Glad to have you here. Ed, quick question. Now, I know you've established yourself as a manager in MMA with the likes of Anderson Silva, Leona Machida, the Nogueira brothers. Let me ask you, why boxing now? You know what? I just think, give me one second, man. I'm actually at Universal Studios with my daughter and I'm trying to get out of this. Eric, can you hear me okay? Yes, I can hear you. We can hear you fine. Hey, you sound great. Okay. Yeah, why boxing? I just, you know, I've always been a fan of boxing and traditionally, you know, the way that we manage our fighters in MMA was working very well. And MMA and we wanted to test it out in boxing and kind of bring over our philosophy that we had in MMA and try to apply it in boxing and see how it works. Now, let me ask you this. Why Roy? Why Roy? Well, actually, the way that Roy came about was through Cesar Garcia, who's kind of, you know, I've known Cesar for a long time and Cesar was telling me about Roy and we met Roy and we really liked his, just his whole attitude. I mean, one of the things about the guy, the guys that we manage, you know, I don't think they're great boxers or great fighters, but they're great people. And, you know, when I met Roy, I saw that this kid is, you know, a young talent and seemed like a great guy and that's the type of people that we want to work with. Yeah. Now, just for people that don't know, can you just give us a little bit of background on yourself and how you got started in the business? I mean, there's a lot of things. I mean, as far as background and how I started in the MMA business? Yeah. Or just Black House in general. Or just Black House in general. Well, I mean, you know, my background, I mean, I started my first real thing, my first real success was I was a nightclub promoter and I managed bands. And then from that, I went on to the apparel business and I did that for a long time. And through the apparel business, I kind of got tied into the mixed martial arts as always being a fan. And just with my experience, with managing bands and my experience in the apparel industry and managing, you know, different things like that, it just kind of crossed over into the fight world. Now, how were you able, I mean, you got a lot of big name guys under your, you know, under your banner. How were you able to get those guys on board though, just from all the connections you've made over the years? Yeah, the relationship, it's actually my business partner. I have a business partner named George, George Guimaraes. And he was, he's been in the mixed martial arts world. for a long, long time. And he had a lot of credibility. And when we joined forces, it just made a very powerful team. So it just ended up working out that way. I know, I know when, well, Cesar and Roy came in, I know there's a YouTube video you guys, it's pretty good. That's got, talks about Black House MMA. And I think, I think Roy's in there at Maywood Boxing Club. It's a pretty good video. If anyone hasn't seen it, then go on YouTube and check it out. But it's got some good information on you and the whole, you know, your whole Black House. You know, the whole thing. You know, it's got a lot of stuff to do over there. So it's kind of cool. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, like I said, you know, Roy, Roy is a young kid and you know, I think the boxing world is, is doing a lot. The boxing business is changing a lot. And I just think that we bring like a new, a new flavor to the boxing world. And, and you know, we're really looking forward to seeing how our philosophy applies to boxing, but so far so good, you know, you wish showtime right now, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you're going to be a great guy for the boxing world. Right now. Right now he's two and Oh, and we have, you know, we have high hopes for him. Now speaking to showtime, we knew that he had this, that his fight fell through on Saturday's showbox card out in Morongo. Is that right? I'm sorry. I can hear you. This Friday's fight at Morongo fell through? Yeah. Actually. Yeah. This upcoming Friday you're saying? Yes. Yeah. That's probably something that you guys are pretty, pretty used to happening i guess fights falling through sometimes uh yeah it happens i mean you know it was different boxing i mean in mma it happens a lot like i said you know with boxing you know we're just really getting our feet wet with the box in the boxing world but i feel it's pretty i know the only difference between like boxing when when they're big uh when they're big boxing matches um you know most of the time if someone gets hurt or someone pulls out typically the fight is canceled unlike with mma you know they'll just find a replacement which is they've always uh you know they base it around the events more than they base it around the fighters one more question one more question ed i know um ramon morales yukita morales is uh is currently training roy what are your thoughts on him as a as a trainer for roy well i mean you know and that particular point of view i mean he seems to be a very knowledgeable trainer i mean you know look at the way uh roy performs inside the ring yeah yes definitely definitely well ed would like to we'd like to thank you for having on your show and wish you and roy the best of luck thank you very much man hey ed before hey ed before you go i know you're out there with your daughter universe studios but you want to uh let people know where they can look up uh your gym or if they got any uh you know if they want to find out where you guys are training as that's something they can look up on the internet yeah i mean basically you go you can find out information on our gym by going to blackhousemma.com okay excellent all right thank you so much for being bye bye bye! you know one thing about ed is he's real down to earth like a regular you know regular dude from around from around here so you're being a prominent mma manager yeah yeah yeah bro nice guy definitely you know you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're you're I think a lot of his guys, a lot of his fighters, I mean, they rely on him so much that they like him a lot because of the type of person he is. You would never think that he's a top manager. He's just a regular guy, you know? Yeah, yeah. I mean, we just got like a brief background on him, but obviously, you know, he's worked his way up to where he's at, so he's come up through the ranks. So, you know, I mean, he's probably dealt with tons of people, and he knows how it feels to get shafted. So he's probably just a stand-up dude, you know? Yeah, or business. He's a businessman. He knows how business works in general. But, you know, he'll give you good compliments, so. Yeah. Boy, you got a lot of work, Roy. Yeah. You're still not over it, huh? You got that guy backing you, man, so that's good. That's excellent. We just got to get Stack Cheddar over there on board. Stack Cheddar. Cheddar is going to be the guy that's going to usher the MMA to the Mexican crowd, hopefully. Okay, now I have to ask, dude, how did the nickname Cheddar come about? It was back in high school, my first year, freshman year in wrestling. Some guys, even, there's some guys that call him Cheese, you know? Oh, we got one of those, too. We had one of those. So we were wrestling one time, and I guess he was coming in eating a cheeseburger. And it was like, every wrestling practice comes to eating a cheeseburger. I was like, dude, what do you eat a cheeseburger for? I was like, because I love cheeseburgers. You know, it was McDonald's, too. I was like, if you're going to eat cheese, what kind of cheese is that? I told him, you know, go to Subway. I told him, you know, go to Subway. I told him, you know, go to Subway. You know, I eat Subway all the time, and I love the cheese, but it's better than McDonald's cheese. You know, I was like, what kind of cheese did you get? I was like, I love cheddar, you know? It's the white cheddar. I was like, all right, cheddar. He was like, what you call me cheddar for? I was like, that's your new name, Cheddar. You know, you like cheddar, then. Your new nickname is going to be Cheddar. I was like, all right, man. Ever since then, wrestling, we started wrestling, and it's Cheddar, Cheddar, Cheddar, you know? It's funny, he has a younger brother, and we call him Cheez-It, and that's his nickname. He wrestles, too. My younger brother. He actually, me and him are really close, and he looks up to me, and we're really close, and he wrestles, too, you know? We take him to the fights. I just had my last fight at the Valor Venture, and I took him with me, and I'm really close to him, and I just look up for him and everything, you know? I take him everywhere. We take him to the fights. We take him to my fights. We take him to Roy's. I just want him to, you know? If he's going to do MMA, I just want him to do the good things, you know? Not follow the bad things. And Cheddar, what's your weight class? What are you from? What's your weight now? Bantamweight, 135. Oh, okay. Okay, right on. That's a very exciting division, and now, you know, there's a lot more opportunities, especially for the lighter weights. It looks like now in the UFC and everything, now that they acquired WEC, and so, you know, let's see. There's a big stage for you out there. What about Roy? You don't got no nickname, buddy? Yeah, man. It's The Pit. Roy The Pit Tapia. Why? Because you're from East LA? Yeah. You going to wear a chain around your neck? No. All rampage stuff? No, no. No, I don't know. We were kind of going over nicknames, and we kind of wanted The Pit Bull, but then I didn't really want The Pit Bull. And I don't know. It's just somebody mentioned, oh, a friend of mine named Albert Vasquez. Yeah, he told me, what about The Pit? You know, people always talk, you know, when they ask you what kind of dog you got. You know, you don't say you got a Pit Bull. You say, I got a Pit. I'm like, all right. That's cool. That sounds good. You're not going to go like Alfredo Angulo, right? Start walking into the ring with dogs all of a sudden? I don't know. It's an idea I had, but I don't know. Dude, because I got so fed up having those mutts at the gym, dude. Dude, I swore, dude, I'd walk by, I'd kick one of them, dude. What's funny is that I asked the matchmaker once, you know, what's the possibility of us being able to bring dogs? And he shot that idea down so fast, he put me in my place. Oh, dude, next time walk in there with those blue blocker glasses, dude. Yeah, right. Just say you need them. No, no, no, dude. With Angulo, it would be bad, dude. I mean, he'd walk in. And sure enough, these guys from the kennel that was sponsoring him would walk in with... Atomic Dogs, I think it was. I don't know who it was, but they'd walk in with two. And it would be those American bullies. They weren't pits. So they look mean, but they're not, dude. But when they take, you know, they do their dirty work on your gym bag, dude. You don't appreciate it. That's nasty. Dude, really, dude? Those guys, zombies, perros, walk around, kick one of those things. The only pit we'll be bringing in will be this one. Hey, dude, you can't be walking around kicking dogs, man. Dude, there's like, people go to jail for that stuff. You better apologize to PETA, quick. Yeah, dude, real quick. Not gonna happen, dude. There'll be some dog lovers waiting for you outside here. Damn dog relieved himself on my gym bag, dude. He deserves a kick, dude. I'm sorry. What about you, Cesar? What was your nickname? Little Thunder. Oh, man, that ain't right, dude. The same guy that put his nickname gave me the Little Thunder nickname. He says, because I wouldn't... I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't do it. I would just fight kind of like Arturo Gatti, just kind of like disregard for my own face. Yeah. Just going at it. So he said, you're like Little Thunder, you know? So Little Thunder. So I kind of liked it, you know? Arturo Gatti was one of my favorite fighters. You know, the guy always brought it. So kind of like me, I think. I think, at least. In my own book. In my own eyes. I'll keep the nickname, the pit, up until I get the respect, you know? Until when I... What I really... What I really want is for when I get announced, for them to announce me, you know, the pride of East Los Angeles. But, you know, that's going to come with winning fights, you know, eventually with time, you know? So hopefully, soon enough, I'll be able to, you know, win, have that, you know, that respect where I'll be announced like that. Because that's what I really want to be. Isn't there somebody already called that? Didn't they call someone else that? The pride of East Los Angeles? The golden boy. Yeah. But he's all news. The guy is way longer. Dude, just don't walk around with stockings, dude. Yeah. You're in trouble, bro. All right? You used to lay a bad name, dude. You know, any guy in women's panties, dude, I mean, you can't be the pride of East Los Hey, I want you to tell him that in his face. Huh? Bring him into the studio, dude. I'll tell him. All right. I'm going to sign that glass, please. You know, he can put those thigh highs on. I still think he can hit you just as hard, though. No matter what he's wearing. How about the gatekeeper of East Los Angeles? Nah. Nah. Dude, in boxing, you never want to be a gatekeeper. I'm not that. Are there gatekeepers, guys, that never really made it to that top level? Oh, my bad. My bad. Strike that last comment. Or the former world champion who's just the guy you got to beat now to crack the top 10. Yeah, we don't want to be gatekeepers. No? Not at all. Not now, at least, you know? All right. I'm just trying to think of what else is in East LA besides tacos and tortas. Well, don't forget tamales. Tamales, yeah. Tons of masa. Stop it. Somebody's hungry. Stop it, dude. And you're out of work. We'll take a quick break. Yeah, we should take a quick break, and we're going to be back with some more Madtime Radio. Pretty soon. Pretty soon. That was fun. That was fun. That was fun. That was fun. That was fun. That was fun. All right, everybody, we're back. And actually, we do have another guest joining us in the studio. A good friend of ours, Rodrigo Tovar. Hi, guys. Or should I say Rodrigo? Or Toho Tovar. That works, too. Sorry about my voice. I have, like, a cold right now. Yeah, it's going around. It's going around all of us. Yeah. So we know that you've had a lot of projects go on over the years and, you know, in your time with Tap Out and other projects. Why don't we start from the beginning in, you know, your design work and how you started with Tap Out? Basically, I started back in 2001. I met Charles at a WEC, no, WFA. That was a, that John Lewis promotion. And I just hit him up. I asked him, like, if he needed any work. So that's how he got started. He gave me a call maybe two months later after that. And we met at a McDonald's in Cerritos. And, you know, we just hit it off. And from there on, I just started doing freelance for him. And at what time, at what stage of the game do you remember Tap Out being at? I mean, was it, I can't remember, but I mean, was it really, really big, you know, with the UFC already established or were they still coming up? They were still coming up. They were really small at the time. I mean, someone just asked me recently, like, how much were you making back in, you know, 2001 when it first started? I was making maybe 600 bucks a year. Oh, wow. I mean. It was really more like kind of an internship in a way. Yeah, you know. And it's like, like I said, I always thought Tap Out was going to be big. I didn't know if I could stick with the company long enough to see it get big. But I knew that, because I saw MMA as getting huge. I just felt like it was waiting to explode. It's just a lot of people were scared to touch it because, you know, really because of, I think, like, you know, politicians or whatever the reason. Right. But, yeah, I knew it was going to be big. And I wanted to stick with the brand. But at that time, I didn't. I had to take a bunch of different jobs. I took a bunch of shitty jobs that I hated. But I had to, you know, make ends meet somehow. Right. 600 bucks a year is not covering much. Not even gas back then when it was cheap. Yeah. No, it's, you know, there was no money. And it wasn't until, I think, 2005 or 2006 that he told me, hey, you know, we're actually starting to, like, pick up now, you know. So, I believe it was 2006. So, come and go work at the warehouse. And at that time, I mean, I wasn't, I still wasn't going to make a lot of money. I lived in L.A. I still live in L.A. But he's all come and work. The warehouse was in San Bernardino. It was a Grand Terrace. So, I had to commute 50 miles one way. And my pay was 14 bucks an hour. So, even then, I wasn't making a whole lot of money. But I felt like, okay, it's growing. This is what I believe in. So, I quit the job that I had here, which was at a printing company. And. I was making the same amount of money. But I felt, this is what I want to do. Right. Did you feel like you had more, like, obviously, you're an artist. But you had more artistic, creative control driving out there and doing what they were doing as opposed to being at a print shop? Yeah. Because what I was doing before, I was doing, I was basically printing, like, flyers and stuff. And my job consisted of cropping and checking the resolution of a file, which is, it's boring. Like data entry. Yeah. It's not really. Pretty much. Reflection of what you're doing. And. And even then. Once I started there, I was working four hours doing stocking. I was helping out in the warehouse. I was putting people's orders together. And the other four hours I would spend doing graphics. I mean, that's how small it still was. And it was really a handful of people in there. There wasn't a whole lot of people. It was like, maybe on a really busy day, there was maybe seven people. And usually it was five. Sometimes it was two. And on the weekends, I'd go on a Sunday. And it was just two of us sometimes putting orders together. So. So, yeah, you were there just seeing really when it was growing. And how did it come about that you got to do the artwork for the Ultimate Fighter Houses? Were there other artists that they were considering as well? Or did it come straight to you for it? That's another thing that, you know, I also got that gig because of Charles. I mean, he was a good friend and he helped me, he helped my career out. So that's why I really appreciate everything that he did for me. And he, they basically contracted him to do the interior design of the houses, like pick the colors, pick the furniture. And he told him, I'll do this. But if you want me to do this, I need to bring in my artist. So I want, you know, murals painted here and here and there and there, whatever. So he hits me up and he's like, hey, I want you to, you know, this is what they want me to do. I told him I'd do it, but I want you to paint the walls. I said, OK. And I was thinking to myself, I've never, I've drawn my whole life. I've painted it in a piece of paper, but I've never done murals. I've never spray painted. So this is new to me. But I'm thinking like, well, well, screw it. You know, if I screw this wall up, you know, oh, well, you know, but I might as well take a chance because, I mean, this is a great opportunity. Yeah. So that's how that started. And how many seasons did you get to do for them? I believe it was five through 11, season five through season 11. Oh, OK. Yeah. If anyone remembers, you know, all that artwork he saw, you know, all through fire, that was, you know, his artwork that he was doing, doing there for the shows. So how do you like spray painting the walls, Chaka? Is it different, though? I mean, it's got to be different because you're blowing everything up so big, right? You got to take a step back a lot and take a look at it. Oh, yeah. Definitely kills the legs. You wearing a mask, dude? Yeah. I've seen a video of you and you weren't wearing a mask, man. You know, sometimes you forget. Yeah. Yeah. No, I've learned to wear a mask, wear gloves. Yeah, because it takes a toll on your body. Yeah. So. So like your first mural, like how was it? Was it nerve wracking where you're just like, man, I got to do this over? Did you have to? It actually wasn't too bad. No. The thing about The Ultimate Fighter, I'd go in there and they'd want like so many pieces of artwork that I had to crank stuff out real quick. And it kind of sucks because you can't put your best work when you have so many drawings or paintings you have to do within. I was there anywhere between a week and the longest I've been there was a whole month. So I was basically living in Vegas. Just to paint? Yeah. Wow. And how did it come about for training? Were you able to get to train as well while you were out there? No. I push ups and dips inside my. You weren't able to go visit anyone's gym or do anything? Grappling or anything? No, because my head's not in it. It's I mean, there's nothing more I like to do than get some jujitsu training in or something. But at the same time, I'm there to work and I want I want my work there to be the best work or the best work I could possibly do. That's my main goal. So if I could spend an extra hour, an extra minute making that painting look good, that's what I want to do. Because, I mean, that's what people are going to see. So I know I could always train when I get back. And that's why I just never really trained when I'm up there. Now, when you have to do that, like, obviously, you probably you probably like art your whole life. But when you got to sit there and you got to think about redoing a painting or doing this line of that lines, it takes the fun out of it. At some point when you're there for a whole month, you know, that's all you can do is paint. Really? What? I mean, that doesn't bother me. But like I said, spray painting. Just the timelines, really? Yeah. Like, you know, I would like to, you know, have a little bit more time on stuff and actually enjoy it. Where like this last job I did right now, I had about a week and it's cool. I enjoyed it. I love everything about it. But it takes you out, really. I mean, it's pretty physical. Spray painting is physical. Yeah. But do you get to have artistic control of what you're doing or you have somebody saying, hey, listen, I want you to draw me a spider with a machine gun? I kind of meet in the middle. Oh, you do? You know, the thing, the great thing is people like the style that I do. So they already know, you know, it's not like they're telling me, oh, paint a Mona Lisa or something that, you know, it's along the lines of something that I'm already painting. Yeah. And for those that haven't seen your artwork, can you describe your style of artwork that you've been doing? I don't know. I guess if you looked at a comic book or something that's similar, it's cartoony. I think it's cartoony. I don't know. You know, I mean, people describe it as dark. Definitely dark. Yeah. But I mean, I don't know. It's I guess art's subjective. Yeah. You know, it's probably different looking at it because I know when actually when Tap Out was coming up, I think there was what was that other group? It was like NHB, right? Where they had like that baseball logo. Yeah. Whatever happened to them? That's Full Contact Fighter, right? Excuse me. Yeah. That's right. Oh, it is. Yeah. Full Contact Fighter. Oh, OK. Yeah. Yeah. They had the baseball logo thing. Yeah. I remember them. That was Rich Franklin was like one of their guys that they were sponsoring. He used to wear it. No, I thought it was that dude Joe Riggs or something because he had a big old tattoo. Oh, because he had the NHB tatted on his arm? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, but that. Yeah. I know what you're talking about. No, but Full Contact Fighter, I think back in the day, they had like Matt Hughes and Rich Franklin. They're the people that wore it back in the day when it was OK to still wear a Tap Out shirt. How do you feel about that, man? I mean. I don't know. The commercialization of Tap Out. Yeah. Where you can buy it at Walmart. You can buy it now. You know, it's your local, local store. Because they added that little logo on there to the company that bought it, right? Yeah. That's ABG bought it. Yeah. Oh, is that who bought it? Yeah. OK. Because I know they got a certain note. Like you look at the shirt, it's got a little logo on the bottom. Yeah. Tap Out All-Star or something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. You haven't seen that? To be honest, I don't even know what they're doing here in the States. Oh, OK. I haven't walked into a Walmart or Spencer's in a really long time. Where you been, dude? We're not missing much. It's a good people to go look at Walmart. Yeah. Well, if you're not for people watching. Oh, that's exactly why I don't go. I've been there one time and I was like, what the fuck? Dude, well, you can buy like anything you want in there, dude. You need a, it's OK. You need a car battery. You need Band-Aids. You know, like. You can buy anything you want at Walmart. Yeah. They do have a lot of stuff. But I even saw that they have vegetables and. Yeah. Yeah. It's a grocery store now. Yeah. You can go in there and buy. How about that lady was cooking meth in Walmart? Really? Yeah. You remember that? No. I'm not even lying, dude. I'm not lying, dude. No, dude. I'm not lying. There's so much stuff in Walmart that she was cooking meth in Walmart. What? She went and got a gallon. She got like a gallon, a gallon jug of milk and dumped it. It was like mixing her stuff in there, walking around. Then the surveillance was like, she's been here like three, four hours, dude. She's cooking meth. There's so much junk in Walmart. She's probably over there taking the Sudafed and mixing it with some battery acid. Yeah. Dude, I'm going to have to Google that. People at Walmart, man. Public relief. No, dude. But like she's cooking meth in Walmart. That's how you know there's too much stuff in there. Yeah. No, I mean, the brand's definitely popular. It's very, I guess, generic. I don't know. It's different everywhere. I guess it's kind of one of those things that went the way of affliction where, you know, it went to from like, you know, people in the know to like, you know, everybody now and stuff. And I guess it's good for a company, you know, that's out there to make money. But from an artistic standpoint, it really, I guess, dilutes it, you know? Well, the problem that I see here in the States, because what people don't, maybe some people don't know. I was at the, it's a licensing model. So basically, the main company that owns it is called ABG. And they license it out to a company in the U.S. So the company in the U.S. gives them X amount of millions. And then they could do whatever they want with it. Right. So all the different companies are doing different things. And in the States, it's all about the buck from what I've seen. But like, for example, Canada, over there, they understand the brand. And it's totally different in Canada. It's actually. It's actually pretty cool to go over there and see what they're doing with it. Where here, it's just, they don't care about the art. They don't care about the direction. It's a mess, you know? Yeah, because I know sometimes you see some of the fighters wearing some stuff. And you're like, that's a pretty cool logo. But you never see that stuff here. Like you said, you go to like a Sears or a Walmart. Yeah, you see the generic stuff. It's just like a stencil and not much else. I just wait till they're at Ross because I get two for one. Yeah. Yeah. And a one more round t-shirt, too. Oh, yeah. What happened to that? They're at Ross, man. Really? Yeah. That was Matt Hughes' brand. One more round. They actually, their t-shirts were pretty pricey when they first came out. Not at Walmart. Well, I guess. Because it's not selling. I think they wanted to go the way of Affliction. You know, same thing, too. You know, $50 t-shirts and stuff. And it's like, come on. What happened with Affliction? Yeah, same thing. Really? No, no, no. Well, Affliction got into problems with the UFC, obviously, because they had, you know, they were trying to start their own fight promotion. And I guess they came to terms with Dana. So now they're back to being a clothing company. Because Dana wasn't allowing any fighters to wear Affliction shirts, which I think caused a lot of problems because obviously those guys were making money, you know, getting sponsored by Affliction. But now they're back to doing shirts. Yeah. No, but tell me that Affliction gi that GSP came out to once wasn't pretty awesome, wasn't it? Remember that? He came out. It was like all embroidered up and everything. He had like, it looked like an Affliction gi. Really? Yeah. It was pretty badass. It was all douchebag gold and stuff, you know? Diamonds. All glitter. All bedazzled. Actually, everyone I went with was like, wow, that's a badass gi. Bedazzled gi. Is that what they use at gold cards? I don't know, man. It's like. But. And now. Cairo. Cairo. Cairo. Cairo. Cairo. Cairo. Cairo. Cairo. Cairo. Cairo. Cairo. Cairo. Cairo. Cairo. Cairo. Cairo. Cairo. Cairo. Cairo. Cairo. Cairo. Cairo. Cairo. Cairo. Cairo. That's all they wear. I hope he's not listening, dude. I'm going to get judo tossed. That's about it, though. But, you know, you just pull him in your guard and handle him. Yeah. Isn't he good on the ground? I don't know, man. He trained at Gold Card. I'm pretty sure he is. Yeah. He's got sick jujitsu for sure. I mean, sick judo. Yeah. I mean, he's throwing people left and right. Yeah. Sometimes you got to wonder because he can't even get a mouthpiece that fits in his mouth. Like, I mean, like. I don't remember that. I don't remember that where he got that tooth knocked out. Oh, yeah. What did he fight? Was that Diego? Diego. Diego. Yeah. That was a good fight. I was like, well, what did he put in? I think he put his mouth guard upside down or something. I think they had to, like, get his mouth guard and he had to pull his tooth out of the mouth guard. Yeah. That's what I heard. And then besides the one that flew out of his mouth. Besides that? Yeah. Yeah. The one that flew out of his mouth. Two teeth were knocked out? Yeah. Yeah. With a knee. With a knee. Yeah. With a knee. With a knee. With a knee. That's hardcore, man. When you see him like, okay, let me grab the pizza real quick and pull out of my tooth. And he played it like three or four times on TV. Parish against Diego Sanchez, right? Yeah. You just see the tooth. You know, the funny thing is, like, the dude didn't even care. You know what I mean? He was like, eh. I guess that's just the adrenaline, huh? What was the name? Dude, one of the older UFCs. Oh, you're talking about the first ones, I bet. No, there was a, man, it's on their ultimate knockouts too, man. Is that the guy that had, like, one of the best knockouts? One boxing glove and one, like, in one hand. No, no, no, no, no, not that old. It was a fight in Japan, man. I can't remember the UFC fighter's name. Eugene something. But he knocks the Japanese fighter's tooth out. Guy stops, removes his mouthpiece, spits his tooth out, then throws the mouthpiece away. Was it Eugene Jackson? That's it. It is Eugene Jackson. He's knocking out this Japanese guy. But he knocks the dude's tooth out, and the guy's got his mouthpiece. And he, like, stops, takes a step back. Spits it out. Throws the mouthpiece away, dude, and gets back into the fight. Promptly gets knocked out by Jackson. But, yeah, it was Eugene Jackson. Only in Japan. It was in Japan. Only in Japan. It was Ultimate Japan. They wouldn't do that here. Ultimate Japan. Was it Pride, by any chance? No, no, no. It was one of the first. It was one of the first. Ultimate Japan. Oh, okay, okay, yeah, yeah. Ultimate Japan. Because I have it on one of those UFC Ultimate Knockout DVDs. It's in there. Well, it's exciting. UFC's going to be back in Japan in February. Oh, really? Who's on the card? I haven't looked it up yet. But I know that they're actually, Rogan was talking about it, but they're going to be there in February. He's all worried about getting back radiation and stuff. He's like flipping out about the radiation. That's funny. You know? So, now that, you know, you're not with Tap Out anymore, what's the new project, Painted Demons? Tell us about that and how that came about. Yeah, basically, during the time that Tap Out was going to sell, I just figured, well, I need to start doing something on the side. So, I like to develop it into a brand and, you know, basically. I developed a brand, but for a long time, I just really didn't know what I wanted to do with it. But it seems like a lot of people still are asking for the MMA stuff, which I try to kind of get away from, but all my clients want MMA stuff. Is it a collaboration? But what's MMA stuff? Like, I mean, what is that? Like shirts? Like a fist? Yeah, well, no. I mean, really, it's just, it's open, but it's like they want to attach, you know, oh, this is an MMA lifestyle brand. Oh, okay. To it, you know. Really, if you look at all these different brands, they're all the same. It's all the same crap, you know, in my opinion. Different quality of art, but it's all the same. Anyone's out there you do like? Honestly, I haven't bought a shirt in a long time. I just, I guess some of the Tap Out stuff's cool. I mean, everyone has their one or two shirts that looks good. Yeah. Yeah. I don't look at the whole. I don't look at one of these brands as a whole and say, this brand is good. You know, I'll see a shirt from this brand that I like. I'll see a shirt from that brand that I like, you know. Oh, just like, just like music, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's really, that's what it is. You don't buy an album like every song on the album. It's really rare. Yeah. You find a couple things you like and, and now is it a collaboration or is it just you doing all the artwork for Painted Demons right now? It's just me. I mean, I'd like to develop it kind of like into a, I guess an artist brand, kind of like, you know, Obey or, or whatever. Yeah. You know, it may have a little different spin to it. And would that include like some of the work you had at that show a while back? Yeah. I'd like to include some of those pieces. Yeah. Yeah. That, that show, that show was really impressive. That show you put on there. It was really, that was really a lot of fun. Yeah. I would really like to do another one just like that. It's just a matter of fighting, I mean, finding, finding the venue and, you know, just the time and just getting everybody scheduled. But I did that show. I don't want to say by myself, but I'm the one that kind of put it together. And it was a, that's one, I mean, I would like to focus on doing art, not putting a show together. I mean, I guess that's kind of like a... It's a lot of work, huh? Yeah, it is. I mean, just, and you're probably nerve wracking because you got to make sure everything's in place. It was nerve wracking and it almost fell through two or three times. Well, there was a couple other artists that were with you. Yeah. Yeah. And they were a big help. But as far as putting like the event together, like that was, that was me and it was a pain in the ass. Well, hey, hey, really quick, by the way, that UFC, it's 144 in Japan. The main card is Edgar versus Ben Henderson. Oh, that's nice. Yeah. And they got Jackson versus Bader, Hunt versus Congo, Akiyama versus Shields, Pettis versus Loison. Loison. So, I mean, pretty stacked card. It looks loaded. Yeah, got a lot of Japanese guys on there. I wonder why. Takanori Gomi. Oh, it's in Japan. My bad. Hey, did you guys cover when you got started doing jujitsu? We didn't get into it. Actually, yeah, I know. I was curious on when you guys got started and we can ask like Roy and Cesar and so on because when they got started, you guys are all boxers and stuff. When did you start training? I believe I was 16. And was it that you just wanted to get in shape or? No, I mean, the way it started is, you know, I've been into the UFC since it first came out. So, I was small. I watched that. We're like, oh, this is cool. And then my brother was like, hey, let's start training. I'm like, okay. And back then, there wasn't really anything. So, we would just watch UFCs, pause the video, draw the moves. And then, you know, we had some mats. And so, we put the mats out and we just started beating the crap out of each other. And then, you know. With liquor or without? No, I wasn't drinking at this time. Oh, come on, man. I didn't start drinking until I was like. 17. Yeah, 17. Yeah, but that's how it started, you know. And we kind of, I mean, that's why I started doing leg locks because I kind of got more or less a feel for them from watching UFC. Ken Shamrock. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's the one fight that changed my life. I saw Shamrock come out. Him against Pat Smith. Yeah, I saw him and I'm like, dude, that guy looks like a superhero. And I grew up reading comic books. So, you know, this guy looks like a superhero. And then he does a move that I didn't even know existed. I thought that should only happen in the movies. You know, a leg lock. You know, he hears about. Now, you. It was actually, it was a heel hook. Yeah, a heel hook. He broke his heel with it. Yeah, and ever since then, I'm like, dude, I want to do this. I want to do this. I want to do stuff like that. But so that's how we kind of got, you know, we got all right. And then we actually, he signed us up. My brother signed me up at Barely Heels Jiu-Jitsu. And this is way back in the day. At this time, they had Mark Kerr, Oleg Taktarov, Marco Huas. Bob Druden was there. Bob Druden was there. Marco Huas was there too? Before his fight? Before he was in the UFC or after? After. Oh, okay. I remember that fight. Mark Kerr. You fought that polar bear guy? Yeah. Paul Varlins when he just killed. He took the leg down and chopped him down. Was Mark Kerr clean back then or was he all messed up? He was, he's ripped. So I'm sure he was taking something. Oh, okay. Just water. Yeah, water. The protein. Yeah. So that's how it started. Trained there a couple months. Then I stopped training because I had no car at the time. And then once I turned, I think, 18, I, you know, had a car and was working. And I signed up at, with Rodrigo Menderos. And that's how I started off with a new breed. You see those old pictures? Was that La Habra? Yeah, La Habra. I think it was, wasn't it Whittier? No, La Habra. It was in La Habra. Okay. Yeah. How about you, Cesar? How long have you been training for? Oh, well, going to the gym. I used to train at a friend's house, Turtle. You probably. Oh yeah, Arturo Carrión. Turtle? From Entourage? No, no, no, not Turtle from Entourage. Arturo Carrión. He had a gym in East LA. Ring and everything. And I used to go there, you know, on and off. And then I started, I started actually covering boxing. That's where I met Hector. And when I started covering boxing, I started meeting more and more people. And I started taking it more serious. And, you know, the next thing I know, I was, they told me, you want to fight? And I said, sure, why not? And next thing you know, I fought. I had a pro record all of a sudden out of nowhere, really. And, you know, I dedicated some time to almost just that for a while. Well, I was being a realist. Well, the market, well, the real estate market was booming. I was making a lot of money in like part-time real estate. So the rest of the time I was, I started just boxing. And next thing you know, I started boxing. And I just had a pro record, you know? Not that good, but it was pro record. Hey, you know what, man? A lot of people mention Turtle. And it's, I mean, goes to say with Cesar. Get it out, dude. With Cesar, when he actually, when he first stepped into the ring, a bunch of us, a bunch of boxing press people were like, whoa, Cesar's going to fight? Cesar's going to fight? Then later on, we'd start seeing him. And like I'd run into him. I remember one time I ran into you at Joe or Nick's. I remember you were at Joe Hernandez's gym in Santa Fe in Vernon. And keep in mind, dude, this gym, it's actually, they cut fabric in there. But in the back is this hellhole, dude. I mean, he'd have Daniel Ponce de Leon and Edwin Valero used to train there. And in there, when you go there, it's a fighter's gym. This is a place where they shut the doors, turn two heaters on, and you're sparring in this 10-by-10-foot ring. And it's like four-and-a-half-minute rounds, too. Oh, yes, and four-and-a-half-minute rounds. This guy, one day I walk in, I see this guy going to war with former world champ. Who's this guy? Cesar. I'm just saying. Somebody listening, they're like, who are you talking about? I remember we're on the radio. We're not on TV. That's why I'm on the radio. I got this radio face. I walk in there, and I see Cesar going to war with the former WBO 122-pound champion, Daniel Ponce de Leon. I'm like, dude, this guy's serious. I mean, it's. It's. It's one of the hardest things you could do, man. And I was like, wow, this guy was serious about it. For me, it was just an honor just to be able to be in there with him, throwing punches with him. What's funny is that, what's the photographer? Oh, German? Yes, senor. He gave me a video of that a week later. Of the sparring session? And I looked at that sparring session, and I don't think I landed not one punch on Ponce. It was so funny. But that day, I thought I was actually doing good. You know what I mean? But it was a lot of fun. And that place was a hell hole, though. It was just, it was, the ring was. A 10 by 10 foot, dude. It was like 90% of the room was the ring. And the other 10% were like two bags that were on the sides. It was crazy. It was pretty crazy. How about you, Roy? What's up? How many years have you been training now? Me, I've been training since I was about seven, eight years old. What are you now, 12? 20. Yeah, so about 13 years now. Oh, okay. And I got started just, my dad basically forced me into it. I never really wanted to box when I was little. I remember him taking me to the gym, and I'd start crying. He'd try, you know, try to make me work out, and I just wouldn't want to. And after about- That's right, that's right. I've seen your YouTube video. That's right, dude. After about- That's actually a pretty good video, by the way. I'm not, that's actually- It is. Whoever put it together, put it together. Pretty good, man. Mike Lee. Yeah, it was Mike Lee from the Black House. Yeah, yeah. It's a very well, I mean, it's very informative. It's nice and stuff. And, you know, I mean, shows that old. The only reason I think it's funny is that place where you guys boxing at, I used to have my boy scout troop in there. At the old Maywood Community Center? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Seriously, my boy scout troop used to go there. I've heard lots of stories about that place before it was a boxing gym, for sure. Yeah. For sure. It's crazy. So, just a handful of years. How about Cheddar? What about you, buddy? Cheddar. Cheddar. I'm going to change your name. Well, I started training, or I started with wrestling. First, actually, I did a little bit of boxing, maybe a year. It used to be called the U Center. In Bell Gardens, small little city. Bell Gardens. It used to be called the U Center. Never heard U Center. And I went right there and I started training, you know, boxing. I did like one amateur boxing fight, whatever. And then after I stopped, I stopped going. You know, I was hanging out with like, you know, kids playing pogs and canicas, you know? Pogs and canicas, come on. So, I... Did you have the bad boy pong? Yeah. Yeah, you did? You guys are bad. Everyone. You guys are bad. So, as soon as I turned... My freshman year in high school, you know, my older brother, Angel, he used to wrestle. You know, he was a pretty good wrestler. So, he was a big guy. And I used to wrestle with him. He used to be a big guy. He used to wrestle, you know? So, when I used to go wrestle with him, I was like, dude, watch. When I get better technique, I'm going to take you down. He was like, nah, you're never going to take me down because I'm bigger, you know? So, I started wrestling. My freshman year, I started wrestling. And I wrestled my freshman year. And then after that, after high school, I started wrestling all my four years. When I was done wrestling, I met... You know who's Joe Camacho? Yeah, we know Joe. Yeah. Yeah. I met him through... I used to promote for like clubs too, like all ages clubs. And I met him through one of his friends, a promoter. And he told me, you know what? If you want to start fighting, I know some guy that can help you out. His name is Joe Camacho. Have you heard of him? He's like, yeah. He's a king of the case champion, 155 pounds. So, he gave me his name. I text him. And I met him. He used to do striking in Bell Gardens with some guy named John. And I met Joe at a gas station. And I don't have a car, you know? So, I was walking in my bag. And I was right there in the gas station. He met up and he pulled me up. He took me to that gym. And I started sparring. And I didn't know nothing, jiu-jitsu or nothing. But the guy told me, oh, do you have any MMA experience? I was like, just nah. I just did boxing and wrestling. I actually had an amateur boxing coming out. I was like, oh, I'm going to put you with some guy. He's a 135 pounder. He's a pro MMA fighter. He has three fights. I was like, oh, cool, cool. I didn't know nothing about MMA. So, I started boxing with them. And I took him down. And the coach was like, whoa, you know how to wrestle? I was like, yeah, yeah. Who is that guy? Was that Orlando? Yeah, Orlando. I grew up with that guy. Yeah, Orlando. Is he 135 or 125? 135. 135. Well, he fights at 125 too. 125, 130. So, I took him down. And John was like, oh, what this kid? And I was pretty 19, 18. And we started grappling and whatever. And we started boxing. And my hands, the thing about me, my cardio is really good. I run every day at 530 in the morning. I'm like a cardio freak. That's like a drug to me, like cardio. I run every day, Monday through Saturday. I love running. So, you can't tell me, oh, stop running. I can't stop running. If I don't run one, two, three days, I can't. It's like I'm not working out. So, my cardio was really up here. So, he was gassing out. And I was like, that was my fifth round. And I was still going and going and going. And then Joe Camacho comes in. And he had a lot of experience. That guy hits hard. So, he was hitting me hard. So, I was just nonstop combinations, combinations, combinations. And second round, he was gassing out. And I was like, I'm not going to do this. I'm going to do this. And second round, he was gassing out. And there are a little older guys. So, I was a young guy. And I was still going at it, going at it, going at it nonstop. So, ever since then, thanks to him, he brought me into MMA. And my technique, my experience got better and better. And thanks to them and thanks to Cesar helping me out with my striking and getting me to helping me out with Black House. And they're helping me out, too. They got me more aggressive. So, thanks to him. Thanks to everyone helping me out. And I'm just thankful. Thank God that I'm still here. Yeah, those guys, we actually, we go back. Back in the day, it was me, Orlando. We kind of came up the same. We were like, you know, the real small guys and stuff. And we never really fought much. Joe, actually, Joe Camacho, Orlando and myself, we used to skateboard together all the time. Yeah, yeah. Way, way back in the day, we would skateboard around East LA and everything because that was like, you know, where we grew up and stuff. From what I understand, Joe still carries his skateboard in his car. Yeah, he does. He'll pull over and just hit a skate park wherever he sees one. I believe it. You know, it's still addicting. I actually bought myself a new reissue, Paul Peralta board, and I still break that thing out. The only thing is, you know, my oldest daughter, I showed her what a skateboard looked like from back in the day. And she was like, wow, I don't want to ride that thing. It's huge. Yeah, yeah. You know, I couldn't even find it. The big old wheels, right? Well, they're so wide. When I put grip tape on it, they didn't even make grip tape wide enough for it anymore. They had to, like, cut it in a couple pieces. The fish boards. Yeah. I mean, you know, like, this is how we roll. This is how we used to roll back in 1985, you know? Yeah, for reals. But, yeah, we used to skate, you know, we used to go to the demos and everything. And, you know, Joe was more athletic than the rest of us, but Orlando and myself, we were just, you know, we were just scrawny kids. And, you know, it's just funny how the sport changes people and everyone. You know, Orlando went his way more striking. I ended up, you know, falling in love with Brazilian jiu-jitsu, and that's what, you know, kept me, you know, going and stuff. Yeah, those guys helped me a lot, you know. I think they're my best friends. I think them a lot, you know. If it wasn't for them, I wouldn't have been, like, my hands, my jiu-jitsu, you know, my defense. You know, I think them a lot, you know. Really cool guys. And Joe actually was part of the team with you, too, or Draco wasn't he back in the day? Joe Camacho? Yeah, didn't he train with you guys at the New Breed? I would see him here and there, but... For a little while. Yeah. Occasionally he'd come through, but I don't ever think he trained there. I know we used to see him from time to time, but... I think he was at the East L.A. gym. When they were with Valdes? Yeah. When they used to share a gym there, yeah. I think, I mean, yeah, because with Rodrigo Menderes, I never saw him there. Oh, okay. He used to pop in once in a while, but... He used to be, like, everywhere. He used to go, like... Yeah, he doesn't seem like he's ever really been exclusive to anybody. Well, I mean, he's got a black belt from somebody. I think it's Aloysio Silva. Yeah. So... And he promotes a hell of a fight. I mean, he knows how to sell tickets. He's a very good promoter. He was from East L.A. He went into Garfield, you know? Yeah. And he's an East L.A. boy, too, so, you know? No, I, you know, like, that guy, he's great marketing. Yeah. The guy's got a gift for that. Yeah. Yeah. But even back in the days when he was skating and stuff, too, he'd always have... He knew exactly how to get, you know, people to go to the demos and everything, and go watch him skate and everything. Yeah, he's always been very good at that. Yeah. You skate, Rodrigo? Pfft. No. Hey, hey, hey. He's your answer, no. Isn't it funny? A lot of skaters kind of go towards the fighting. I think Roy used to skate, too. Yeah. I can't skate for crap. I hate you at a skateboard. I can't skate for crap. And a lot of guys do jiu-jitsu and surf, actually. Yeah. True. I don't do that, either. How about you, Rod? I really can't do shit, to be honest. I just paint, man. Can you play in Canicas or Pogs? Yeah, I mean, I could do... Can you play in Canicas or Pogs? You know, I never got into Pogs. I did like marbles at Canicas. I used to play that. You had a big jug? Chris, give us a number. Yeah. We're gonna have a marble contest. That don't even sound right, dude. No, but actually, one time I tried playing it, and I guess there's rules to playing it. Yeah. I'm used to playing it. To what? Playing what? Canicas. Is there? There is. Yeah. I'm like, oh, I didn't know that. I remember that you had to hit the boulder 10 times for you to keep it, right? Yeah. What? I just know they had the big old marbles, right? Yeah, those boulders. Yeah. And then the little small ones is called peewees. The little, little small ones, peewees. And then there's the little rules that you can say, oh, rainbows, get closer to the Canicas. So you do rainbows, rainbows, rainbows, you get closer, and that's how you get that little... There was so many tricks to it, so... Hey, dude. I'm gonna tell you, bro. Like, oh, damn. Nah, you know, that's what I was gonna say. Hey, you're a fighter. No more Canica talk. This show's got range. Everything from, well, last week it was weather. We covered weather. We covered like Pasadena not cleaning up dead leaves. Oh, I swear to God. We got a little bit of time left, but I almost forgot through the whole show. We are live, and if you got any tips on playing Canicas, you can still call the show at 1-800-893-9562. If you got any strategies and tips on pogs or Canicas, we wanna hear from you. Yeah. Chatter wants to tell you how to dink rainbows, rainbows, rainbows. . Chatter making rainbows. There must be a YouTube video on that, dude. There probably is. I'm gonna bing that, dude. I remember pogs. I just couldn't afford them. How did you play pogs? How do you... I don't know. I just... I remember pogs. That's it. I remember seeing kids... Well, here, I'll tell you what I used to play. When I was like in junior high school, we used to get, you know, the little napkin with a spoon, and we used to pay spoon break. Oh, I remember that. Pencil break. Pencil break. Pencil break, yeah. Oh, pencil break. Pencil break. Pencil break. Pencil break. Pencil break. Pencil break. Pencil break, you know? And then I would just go buy something, but we used to pay pencil break right there, or make little triangles and play football. Those I remember. And I never liked the pogs. I thought it was a... And you always... And you always... And you always... And you always... And you always... And you always... And you always... And you always... And you always... And you always... And you always... And you always... And you always... And you always... You hit him in the right next by the bicep You guys ever play a game where like I guess I got hold his breath and then someone like slams him against the wall Oh, yeah, that's called attempted homicide He's got deeper So what'd you guys do you guys hold each other's breath and throw one into the wall would cross his arms and like hold his Breath or blow the breath out and then like I would like just like shove them into the wall Hey, let's get a video of that that's what we did before before they can't the computer cleaner we're around One with all those cans at your house before wrapped in black tape Even right Other things you could do with the kid. I don't do none of that stuff I used to hop on the back of an ice cream truck You know get a free ride dude or the RTD always stop or the Stop right yeah, yeah, yeah, they got the big window. We used to hop on the back of the RTDs for free, right? I don't remember RTD like an exhaust. Yeah, you know yeah MTA now used to be called the rough tough and dangerous I was part of the stem of my stomach probably Your parents aren't even thinking about you That's one of my dad used to work RTD you did and then I turn its MTA But yeah, I have a bunch like little medals and stuff with RTD Look tokens for the bus pass. It's pretty cool. Yeah, that is kind of cool Thank you, that's something that like masks could wear right or is that is that one of his yeah, he He wore this a couple times. I kind of customized this one. I put a patch on the back, like the bomber girl. Oh, nice. So, yeah. So how would you classify that? Like a military kind of jacket or what? Yeah, a military jacket. Now, the shirt you're wearing, is that from your latest? Yeah, this is mine. Oh, okay. It's painted demons. It's a little demon riding a shark. The demon looks cartoony, like one of them old school cartoons. Yeah, that was an idea. I like doing stuff that's kind of more like vintage looking because it never goes away. Kind of like Felix the Cat. I don't know. I've gotten that a lot, actually, and I wasn't even thinking about that. What I was thinking was just those old classic black and white cartoon characters. But, yeah, I was in Vegas, and some guy's like, oh, it looks like Felix the Cat. And I'm like, oh, shit. Did you say, hey, hold your breath and cross your arms real quick? I'll show you Felix the Cat. And any other artists have you been thinking about working with? Any other collaborations you've been working on? You know, I don't know. I've never really worked with people. That didn't come out right, dude. No, it doesn't. I've seen artists do collaborations and stuff, and I'm the type of person that's like, no, I have an idea how I want it. And I'd rather be angry at myself if it doesn't come out right. But if somebody wanted to hire you for something, I mean, you're a freelance, right? So they can go to your website. What's the website? Painteddemons.com. Okay, and then go on there and contact you and just spray paint up their house? Whatever they want. Whatever they want, right? As long as they pay you before. I mean, I do a lot of graphic design. Yeah. You know, so that's what I've done for probably 11 plus years now. But, I mean, I also... Photoshop or CorelDRAW? Photoshop. Okay. Just kidding. I just thought I'd ask. And Adobe Illustrator. Yeah. But, I mean, it's all the same, really. It's just slightly different. People have their preferences. Mac or PC? Mac. Okay. I just thought we'd cover it all, man, you know? For all this. I'm telling you, we got range, man. All you tech heads out there. All over the place. Yeah. Don't forget, you can catch a show on Stitcher, too. You can download the Stitcher app. Definitely Canicas. All right. Yeah, Stitcher. I'll call you. iTunes? iTunes? Oh, yeah, you can get the show on iTunes. You should make a show of Canicas, then. You know? That'd be a new... You know what, dude? Yeah. Dude. I'd buy it. I would. Oh, dude, come on. Sponsor cheddar shirt with the rainbow and... Okay, dude. No rainbow. We go black and white. Some Felix the Cat, like, bam. Going at it. Hitting a bull. That's a good idea. Yeah? Think about that. And what else? I'll say, where's the cheddar? Cheddar. Like some Canicas inside a block of cheese. I was actually thinking of making a shirt that said, banned from Canada, because I almost got deported again. Really? Yeah. Why? How do you get deported from Canada? Oh, because last year I went to do another job over there. Get this hoser out of here. And they were like, why are you here? I'm like, oh, I'm here for work. And I guess you're not supposed to say that. You're supposed to say, I'm here to hang out with my friends or whatever. Because I guess if you're going there for work, you have to take a labor... Work visa? Something like that. And it's called labor census, and it takes about 30 days. And they have to see if they could hire somebody from within the country. And if they can, then there's no reason to give jobs to foreigners. Especially this hoser. Yeah. What were you there for? Were you there to do some painting? Yeah. So they deported me. You felt all illegal, dude. Did you go home and take a shower? Dude, I was pissed. This was Thanksgiving, too. How does Canadian... Dude, how do Canadian customs people, how do they work, dude? Get out of here, E. All right, hoser. I don't know. It wasn't fun. But anyways, so this time around, I wrote on my application, oh, I'm here to see friends. And then they confiscated... I guess I have some kind of record now. And so they didn't buy it. They confiscated my phone. These hosers tried to work here and there. Really? They took your phone? Yeah, they took my phone. They opened up my bag. And sure enough, I have a bunch of paintbrushes and stuff. And so they could already see from last time, that I had been deported for trying to paint something. They're attempting to work again, E. Yeah, so they... You guys' Canadian accents are horrible. Yeah, they actually are horrible. That's like an East L.A. accent. It didn't sound like that. It didn't even sound. It sounded like some drunk guy at the bar. It sounds like an East L.A. accent. Thank you. You want a taco, E? No, no, but they were really cool this time. They cut me some slack, and they just told me I had to get a work permit. So I got a work permit, and they let me through. You're done with more Irish. A boot. Wrong continent. Oh, sorry. I could be an Irish-Canadian. Okay, well... Well, there's French-Canadian. Hey, dude, don't tell them, dude. You're not Canadian. We are Quebecers. They will tell you. It's very different over there. Yeah. They got a nice port plan out there, Montreal. That's all I know. So with your time with Tap Out, did you get to go do any UFC events? Did you get to go hang out with them over there? Yeah, I went to a couple shows. UFC shows, but... So you like it being there, or do you like it on TV? I honestly like watching on TV. I do, too, man. People think I'm crazy, but I think you get to see everything better. When you go to a live event, are you just watching the people? What's going on over here? It depends how close you sit, though. I mean, but... Yeah, I mean, I guess, but even if you sit close, you got to worry about some 6'8 dude in front of you, and he's got a big old... Do you get to hear Rogan's commentary? You know, when you're watching it live? You can't hear him get all excited? No. No. I mean, you guys like watching boxing live? Like, you like being there? I like it live, yeah. Yeah? I mean, I guess it's because it's two different stages, man. The cage as opposed to the ring. With the ring, I mean, there is a thing as being too close to the ring. Like, I don't know about you, but even when I'd be in press world, the first thing I'd do, I'd move up to the first seat I could find above the floor level just so I could watch a fight that I wanted to watch because I hate having that guy in front of me who's going to jump up. Right, right, right. So... Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I like... The boxing, I like it more live, MMA, you know, more on TV because of the replay. Sometimes with the ground stuff, you really can't really get a good view of it. And sometimes you miss stuff in MMA. Oh, yeah, when you hit... Like, if you would have watched, like, the Fedor-Dan Henderson fight live, you would have been like, well, what happened? Then it wasn't on the replay. You could see when he snuck that punch in. That was a crazy fight. It was, dude. I mean, for the... What are the odds of, like, knocking somebody out from behind like that? Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, you're right, but, I mean, he must have hit that dude hard, dude. Yeah. I mean, Henderson's already missing a bunch of his teeth, so he don't care. You know he hits hard. I mean, he does. You assume take his mouthpiece out and slip his teeth in, but... What's the deal with the way he walks? I don't know. He's a wrestler. No, I don't know. Maybe that's why he got into wrestling. Does he have a back problem or something? He's got it, dude. Maybe he saw that cauliflower throwing off his balance. Yeah, something. He's got a funny walk. He's what? What is he? 30, 36 or something? I think he's older. I think he's older. Yeah, right, I mean, his body's... He might be in his 40s. He's in his 40s. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, his body's got to be beat up. I mean, to be a competitive athlete at that level, and he's put... Obviously, he's in great shape because he'll cut weight down or he'll go... So he's putting in the work and the time for the camps and stuff, so, but, you know, your body can only take so much. I mean, you know. Yeah. After a while, your joints start hurting from just punching. You're probably even fighting, you know, knuckles start hurting. And how's training for you nowadays, Madru? I try to get in three if possible. A month? No. Sometimes it feels like that, but I try to do three a week. Usually it's more like two. Something pops up. I mean, for me, like, work is priority. Well, you're on the morning crew, so I never get to see you in the gym. Yeah, I try to go to the 11 o'clock class and do my jiu-jitsu. And for a while, I was doing the MMA, but it's just... I end up spending, like, five hours in the gym. Yeah. Too much, huh? Way too much, yeah. Take away from your painting time. Well, it's the time I make money, so... Yeah. Well, you don't want to bust up your hands neither, you know, in an MMA class. Yeah. Well, I think more than anything, I don't know if it's that I'm not used to it, but I always... My shoulders started going out when I started doing MMA because of all the punching. I tore my rotator cuff years ago, so I think that's probably... Maybe it has something to do with that. I don't know. Huh. It's easy for me to wake up and, like, my shoulder's gone because I slept the wrong way. That's how jacked it is. I think that's the hard part about, you know, this sport and everything is, like, you know, you want to be able to train 100% all the time and then injuries come about and, you know... I'm sure everyone in this room knows exactly what I'm talking about. Right. I used to train more in MMA, but because it's so painful, something always hurts. Yeah. I just stick to boxing, in reality, boxing. Well, even in boxing, I would imagine, you know, you know, wrist injuries, hand injuries. Not as... I mean, at least not me. Not as much. Your hands, yeah, you know, but mostly, like, if you get catch punches, your jaw's a little messed up, but not like MMA. I mean, in MMA, you get slammed and your legs are bruised, your arms and, you know, you get armbarred or whatever. Somebody goes a little too far and your elbows are tweaked and it's pretty painful. It really is. Compared to boxing, at least to me, I don't know about these guys, but... What do you guys think? Duh. Pit and Cheddar over here. I know. Have you done any grappling? Me? No, I haven't. Just messing around a couple times I've been to Black House, but, no, it's not for me. I'm away from that Cheddar here. I don't know. Well, you had all that time wrestling, so you... Yeah, I'm kind of used to it, but sometimes I do, like, I get a lot of pain in my groin, like, a lot. Like, you know, every time I shoot, I defend it, you know, put the hip in, yeah. No, it's not that. It's, like, the groin, like, right next to, like, your hip bone. It's not... I used to have a little bone, now I want to wait, you know. It's like a hernia, isn't it? Yeah. That's... It's... It wasn't that. I went to a doctor. It's just, like, in the pool. Did you go to a real doctor? Yeah. Okay. Just making sure, dude. I know someone who knows somebody. Hey, don't knock him, dude. I had... The mom of the candy face, that's the one. Hey, dude, I had acupuncture and I thought, well, they would have to swap me, bro. Don't knock him, dude. How much is that? Those guys would do the trick, though. It was 20 bucks, man. I got, like, acupuncture and, like... With dirty needles, dude. No, I was... I don't know, but they covered my eyes and I'm like, damn, what the hell's going on, dude? And I'm like... They covered my eyes. That didn't even dry, dude. It didn't sound good, dude. I went on a prostate exam. No, actually, that was $10 extra, dude. I don't want to pay that. But you never know what you can get at the indoor, dude. You know, I get my gi fixed. You know, they rotated the tires on my car and, you know... Get a stereo. You want to tell me... You had Alameda swap me, didn't you? All of it for $12. Alameda swap me. Alameda swap me. And he's absolutely right, dude, because I used to take a couple of fighters, dude. I don't know if you remember Robert Garcia, the dude who fought Antonio Margarito in Mexico. Right, right, right. I was working with him for a while. Ray was managing him. And I remember first week there, hey, dude, I need a sports massage. Booyah, Alameda swap me, dude. 25 bucks for a 45-minute session. He was good as new, man. Right there in the swap me, though, dude? Yeah, dude. They have, like... There's... Actually, there's... Four different... Four different... People doing sports massages. One of them does acupuncture, and he's actually at the back of... At the very end of the Alameda swap me. You go in there, him and his wife are there. Boom, just... You know what I like about the swap me, though? Because I know someone who goes, like, Pico Rivera swap me and gets, like, acupuncture. But you can go to swap me to just bargain. I go to different places to see who's going to sew on my patches for cheaper on my gi. Like, $5, $4, $3. I'm like, all right, I'm at the $3 spot, you know? So it's pretty funny. Oh, yeah. You never know what you can get down there. I don't go... Alameda's a little too... Well, I mean, I'm in that part of L.A. all the time, but... That's just a little hike. You talk about one-stop shopping. That beats Walmart any day, dude. You can go on the back. It does. Yeah, but you may come out, your car be gone. Well, you can go on to the back and get a Mika, too, if you want. Oh, that's right. Yeah. I think my uncle used to go there to get all his... What is it? Green card and all that crap. I'll plead. Dude, I'll plead guilty, dude. You just got a Pacific. You just got a Pacific for that, dude. Dude, I... I'm not going to mention any fighter's name, but whenever at the last minute guys who came with no visa would have... If I needed to get a Social Security card... Alameda saw me. It was done deal. Done deal, dude. I heard it's harder now, though. Well, see... Ice agent's downstairs. If they're fighting in Arizona, dude, they're... You can get away with it. Really? Because their commission's just so lax. Hear that, Arizona? Or why don't you just go to New Mexico? Just put New in front of their Mexican ID. With the Sharpie? Yeah, with the Sharpie. With the typewriter. Old school. Well, no. That's how they made the Witty card, the Social Security card. The typewriter. Old school. Yeah. Well, it looks like we're running out of time, but actually, before we go, we have some people we really want to say thanks to. And, I mean, first and foremost, you guys that stopped into the studio. Where can we find you guys if someone wants to get in contact with you? Starting with you, Cheddar. Where can people... Where can people find you? Jose Huerta. Let's call him Jose Huerta. People are going to be like, who's Cheddar? You can go to... You can look me up on Facebook, you know? True Jose Huerta. You can look it up on Facebook. My email, trufocus2010gmail.com. Okay. True Focus. True Focus. T-R-U-E. Yes. Okay. We'll catch you on Facebook for sure. Mine is basically the same thing. You can find me on Facebook. You have True Focus, too? No. True Focus 20... No, man. I'm on Facebook. You can, you know, just search my name, Roy Tapia. You know, R-O-Y-T-A-P-I-A. And you'll find me. Man, you got to sell that YouTube video. Dude, get some hits out there for Black House, man. I mean, it's a really good video, dude. Seriously. You know, yeah, I do. You know what? I'll throw it up on the Mad Time... Yeah. On the Mad Time Facebook page today so you guys can check it out. Real well done. The Black House. The Black House website, too. Yeah. Feel more informed, Roy. Oh, yeah, yeah. Shout it out. Shout it out. Yeah, go ahead. They're all Black House, dude. I mean... You can get in contact with me, too, through the Black House. Oh, okay. Black House MMA. Right on. Yeah, Black House MMA and their fighters. I'm right there, too. Oh, okay. Right on. Yeah. And same thing with me. Usually the Facebook. That's the thing now, right? Yeah. So Facebook, Cesar Garcia or Black House. Oh, there's going to be a thousand of those, dude. Yeah, yeah. There's a famous guy, Cesar Garcia. And then there's a guy that fights now. Not just the Canadian one. Is there a famous guy? There's a famous guy. He came out on... I think one of those Fast and Furious movies. He came out and there's the one that fights. I think he fought at the Alameda Swap Meet on Friday, right? Cesar Garcia. That ain't right, dude. No, he really did. In the parking lot or... Hey, dude. We did two Soda Wok sale fights out of that parking lot. All right, man? Really? You don't believe me? Where did you park the cars? On the railroad tracks? No, dude. Actually up on the side of the Alameda Swap Meet. But we did. But twice, dude. We shot Soda Wok sale from there. One time was... One night. We had a horrible storm, dude. And 400 people still showed up. That's crazy. But yeah, I mean, you got our blackhousemma.com and our Facebook. Yeah. All right. Hey, also, man. Thanks to Ed Suarez for calling in, dude. That was a... Yes. Oh, yeah. Pretty awesome of that dude to call in. And what was your website again? It's painofdemons.com. Hey, don't you got like a vector website too? Or is that something that... I know you always... On your Facebook, you always have vector stuff up there. Yeah. I mean, I don't know what it is because I'm not... But I'm like, all right. I'll take some eagle wings. Or something. Whatever it is you got off of that month. Yeah. It's basically like a stock art website where graphic artists can go and purchase or... I also have free downloads. Hey, why would they do that though? Is it like... Because you've already created them? Yeah. Okay. So they don't have to actually draw them themselves. Or maybe they don't know how to draw. Okay. So there's already like an eagle or a monster that they like. And they want to make a shirt with that graphic. So they just go there and download it. It's like royalty free stuff. Yeah. I guess some of the stuff they can pay for and they can just use it for whatever they want. Yeah. Yeah. But have you used that stuff before and you just said, all right. Yeah. I've designed a couple tap out shirts with it. You know. So yeah. It's... You know. Works. What's the website for that? That's vectorbrush.com. Okay. Yeah. If people want to check that stuff out, you know, it's more than welcome. Yeah. I know. I was on there the other day and I know you had like a koi fish and... Yeah. A tiger. Yeah. I mean, even if you don't want to do design shirts, like let's say you're like, oh, I want to have that as a tattoo. You could download it. You could print it out. Take it to your tattoo guy and there you go. I was trying to get the tiger and the koi fish in the tiger's mouth, but it wasn't working very well for me. All right. Well, we do have some people here. Want to start off with Decomp Clothing? Yeah. Shout out to Decomp. Yeah. Decomp Clothing for coming in studio. Who else have we got? Shout out to Noah Tillis. He's got his own place. You can check him out. Noah Tillis. Or tillisbjj.com. He just opened up his spot. And then let's not forget Moyer Brand. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Timoia and Chris. Yeah. Thanks. Those guys helped us out a lot. They got some guys that come through. So appreciate that. We also had a couple guys from Millennia MMA come through. And let's not forget Build a Grill Cooper. Yeah. Build a Grill Cooper. And our friends, Chris Wilford and John Iwano, our friends, our coaches, our mentors at Iwano International. Yeah. You can just go Iwano.com. Check them out. We also had Steven and Sharu. Shout out to Sharu and Steven from Fight Me Clothing. Come through. Yeah. And then Rodrigo Medeiros. With BJJ Revolution Team. Yeah. Yeah. If you're out in, what is it? Pacific Beach? Pacific Beach. Yeah. Yeah. You can go check out PB Fight Center. Go online. Rodrigo. You know, Rodrigo came through that lineage too. And also from Millennia, Daryl Montague, the Mongoose. The Mongoose. Yeah. He was, I seen a YouTube video of him too. And Lil Tony Pacinski. Lil Tony came through. Yeah. And also BJJ Revolution Team, right? Yeah. Yeah. Also BJJ Revolution Team. He was up. Yeah. He's under Rodrigo Medeiros too. Rodrigo Medeiros, I should say, right? I'm going to get. We also had a couple of the guys that actually trained with you guys over at Maywood Boxing. We had Larry, the Body Snatcher, Cervantes. Luis Mora. Yeah. Luis, the Mayor Mora in Santiago, El Lobito. Yeah. Guevara. And then our buddies from Chingazo, the MMA, they came through also. Yeah. Roley. Rolando was his government name, right? Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Eddie and Pat, dude, those guys are from Chingazo's MMA. If you haven't checked them out, pretty good stuff. Can you guys say that on the radio? What? Chingazo's MMA? Yeah. Claro que si. Well, dude, Rodrigo dropped an F-bomb earlier. It's okay, dude. It's all good. You want to drop a bad one? Go ahead, dude. No, no. I'm good. I'm good. You sure? Whatever you want, dude. Keep it classy. It's all good. And also a big thank you to everyone that downloaded the show and that tuned into the show. This is why we do this. We do this for all you listening out there. We really appreciate you all. And we want to come back next year with a stronger show. And we want to hear from you. We want to hear your feedback and anything. Hit us up on Facebook at MadTimeRadio or on Twitter. You know, man, when we're gone, you know, you can download our show on iTunes, the past shows. You can catch up if this is your first show that you're catching or just, you know, anything else to fill the time. And if you like what you hear, hey, tell a friend. You know, it's a free gift. You can give the gift of MadTimeRadio this year. You know, it don't cost you nothing. $3.99. $3.99. Yeah. I just wanted to give a shout out to my sponsors. Cootie Tire out in the city of Paramount. Any of you guys, you know, driving semis, big trucks, get your tire pop. You guys need someone to change a tire, look them up. Cootie Tire. Tell them I sent you, man. He'll hook you up. And another one, too. My SoCal Burgers out in L.A. I want to give the owner, Tony, a shout out. Man, he's a really great guy. He does a lot. He helps me out. And he's been with me since before I turned pro. So he was my first sponsor that, you know, had some faith in me and took me up. And you can find it at 203 South Mednick Avenue in East Los Angeles. Mednick? East Mednick. Go out there. SoCal Burgers. Tell them I sent you, man. He'll show you. They have those car shows on Friday nights. That's right. Yeah, it's a pretty cool spot. So if I go there and I said, hey, listen, Roy sent me over here to come get a hamburger. Yeah, man. He'll hook you up. Take it out of his next purse. We'll order a hamburger special and tell him to throw in the extra kettle for free. Yeah. Extra cheddar. Extra cheddar. How about you, Jose? You got any sponsors yet, buddy? I just have one big friend of me. It's from Black Garden. It's BG Clothing. Okay. You can look him up at bgclothing.com. He helped me out. He gave me my first. My first, I was in my third fight, amateur. He hooked me up with a bunch of shirts and I gave them out. So big thanks to him and Black House, of course. All right. Well, thanks again. What about Cesar? You got any sponsors, Cesar? No. Nobody. Sponsor? My wife. My wife. Oh, dude. Shout out to your wife, dude. Shout out to my wife, Erica. She sponsors me on everything. Rodrigo? No sponsors. Come on, dude. You got to throw your website out there. You want to sponsor somebody? Oh, never mind. You want to sponsor me and Roy? Sure. That sounds good, actually. Yeah. There it is. There it is, dude. Gannica shirts coming your way. Gannica's in China. With the pog on the back. That'd be pretty cool. What do you got? Painteddemons.com, right? Yeah, painteddemons.com, vectorbrush.com. And I'd just like to thank you guys and everybody else that follows whatever I'm doing. Yeah. I know you got a pretty good following on that stuff, dude. So no more art shows for you? None that I want to put together. A lot of work, huh? Yeah. Yeah. Can't even. All right. How about you, Richard? Got any sponsors? No. Hector? Since we're going down the... Yeah, I know. Exactly. Hey, shout out to Mike. He's in the studio. What's up, Michael Escarz? What's up, Mike? Want to come over here and say what's up on the mic, dude? Yeah, I know. All right, dude. He's still asleep. If you go to his Facebook, he's always sleeping. Yeah. And if there's anyone out there listening and you're in the area, hit us up. We'll be at Hank's Bar. Oh, hey. Wait a minute. You guys want to hit up your... Shout out to your friends outside the window there? Yeah, yeah. I got definitely... I got a few people listening right now around. And I just want to give everyone a shout out. Thank you for tuning in and supporting. And shout out to my mom. You know, I love you, mom. I know she's listening. Mom's cool. Yeah, I want to thank all of you guys for having me. And shout out to my... My friends. My friend George, Solo, and my girlfriend, Griselda. All right. All right, everybody. Well, be safe this holiday. And we'll... Oh, yeah. Next... Well, we got next Sunday's Christmas. Next Sunday. Then we got New Year's Eve. Santa's birthday. And then... And then it's New Year's, right? Yeah. And then we'll be back next year. We got a lot of good guests lined up for next year for you guys, too. So that'd be kind of exciting. Yep. 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