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And tonight's a very special night because Dan is not here tonight. Co-host Dan is not here tonight. He's with his wife. And we have Joe Escalante from the Vandals in. All right. Thank you. It sounds better when Dan's here because then him and I clap at the same time, too. He's boycotting my appearance? Yeah. You know, women, his woman comes first, man. He has some kind of standards. Yeah. Joe Escalante, no. I'm not going. I'm not going. I'm not going. I'm not going. I'm not going. I'm not going. I'm not going. I'm not going. I'm not going. I'm not going. I'm not going. I'm not going. He said he told me to tell you the hello and that he wishes that he could be here. But he has to. I think he's going up to wine country or something. Something gay like that. I don't know. That is pretty gay. Pretty gay. So, hey, man, welcome to the more music radio pod, man. It's it's it's an honor to have you here because you are the bass player from the Vandals. You started out as a drummer in the Vandals. I did. I was a drummer because I was a drummer in. Like the. Intermediate band at school. So I thought I could be the drummer of a punk band. So I started as a drummer and then the we kept cycling through bass players. So I thought I would switch. Right. Right. And and maybe we could cycle through drummers. Was that your first band that you started in? No. The Vandals. I was in a band called the Aristocats was the first band I played at that played at actual clubs or whatever. It was a rockabilly band. Uh huh. And so this is like 1979 in rockabilly. It's not even retro at that point. It's just slightly out of style. Yeah. Just like a little leftover from the 60s. But it was it was a band, you know. So that was like your high school band. That was your first one that you started. It was a there was a pro skater in our neighborhood named Steve Olson. And he asked me to be in his band. And I thought he was going to ask me. He had a punk band called Butchie and the Hoods. And I thought, well, I'm going to be the drummer for Butchie and the Hoods. Man, you know, neighborhood legends. Orange County. You're. You're all excited to be a drummer for Butchie and the Hoods. Yeah. And I went to his house and he goes, no, no. Butchie and the Hoods, man. That's over, dude. Rockabilly is the next thing. And I'm like, oh, crap. They had his pants all cuffed up and stuff and he's all greased out and stuff. Yeah. He looked like Bowser. Just just my luck, you know. And so I end up in a rockabilly band, which I learned a lot. And I'm to this day, I'm a huge rockabilly fan because this guy, you know, showed me what rockabilly was all about. And then I was a drummer in a rockabilly band. I'm glad to be a drummer in every band. Any band. And then the Vandals. I was a roadie for TSOL. Oh, cool. When, you know, the rockabilly thing, you know, in simultaneous, I'm in this TSOL world. Like it's. Right. That was our little world. And then the guy in the TSOL, the drummer, Todd Barnes, was always trying to get me in the Vandals and the Vandals were a band that existed before I was in there. And then he just said, we got to get you in the Vandals. And then I and then it worked. I ended up in the Vandals. But sooner or later. Later, began the bass player. Cool. So, I mean, when you started out playing music, was that what you wanted to do? Was that, does that sound right? Was that what you wanted to do and my, I'm getting a little buzz off of this wine that we're drinking and I was being forced to do it. So, no, it wasn't what I wanted to do. So where did you see yourself here in high school? I mean, because obviously, I mean, jump to today. I mean, you're a very successful musician and businessman and you're a lawyer, you're an amateur bullfighter. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, when you were a kid, I mean, what were you thinking about? Like, what were your aspirations? I, you know, of course, like any kid, I thought, wow, rock star, best job in the world. Yeah. I liked the Partridge family. Yeah. That was like a big thing to me. And I thought, wow, that's pretty cool. You had like a crush on Susan Day or what? Yeah, actually. And I just thought if you could be like David Cassidy, everybody would like you and looks like fun. And I ended up doing it. But along the way, I dropped that. Of course, like every kid, normal kid, I was like, stop that. Knock that off. And then I thought, well, I'll be a lawyer. And then I went to college thinking I'd be a lawyer. But then all of a sudden, like punk rock just kind of took over. Really? And then. So you wanted to be a lawyer at first. Yeah, I wanted to be a lawyer. That's what I wanted to be since elementary school. And I mean, I thought it'd be a good idea. And I was interested in television. I wanted to. I wanted to work in television. And I ended up going to law school and getting a job at CBS television right out of law school. And I was happy. And then punk rock, like in certain waves, it just comes and takes over. And then it took over again. So I was only there for about four years. And then I quit and just started touring full time with the Vandals. And, you know, the Warped Tour is all happening. And bands like No Doubt or No Effects and Offspring and Pearl Jam are taking us all over the world. It was. It was, you know, we're doing our own tours. It was good. It was a good 10 years. The Vandals have been around for a long time since like 1980 or 81 or something, right? Yeah. And how old are you when, how old were you when you, did you, were you one of the founding members of the Vandals? No, I was in the, like I said, I was trying to get in the Vandals. And they had been around, I don't know, probably about six months, you know, playing parties. And I just kind of hung around the sidelines until I, they. Got rid of their drummer. And there I was. Who was the guy you replaced? Actually, his name was Vince Mesa. I think this is the first time his name has ever been mentioned on the radio. Really? So he is the original drummer. I would say Vince, we would call Vince Mesa the original drummer. And there was a couple. He's like the Pete Best of the Vandals. Yeah, I think so. And there was a couple of people that come out of the woodwork sometimes, you know, in a band like this. I used to be the drummer. Did that guy, Vince Mesa, did he do anything afterwards? Like, did he, was he in any bands or anything, any success? He was in the Partridge family, I think. No. No, you know what? I haven't heard anything musically that has come from Vince Mesa. But I have recently the original bass player of the Vandals. So he didn't like blow his brains out after that or anything? No, I've been trying to find him now. I just want to get a picture of him for our website. Because we have a little history of the Vandals on the website. Right. And I finally got a hold of this guy, Steve Gonzalez. Who was. Who was the original bass player. And I got, I finally got some photos of this guy. And then we're looking for Vince Mesa, actually. You know, you might as well build a big history. And then I got in the band. And then. You were probably like 18 or 19 or something, right? 18 or 19, yeah. Something like that. I think 18, yeah. Because I remember our first couple shows out of state were in Arizona when the drinking age was 19. Oh, okay. I mean, how great is that when you're a 19-year-old? You're playing in a rock band. Right. With T.S.O.L. and J.F.A. and the Vandals. Awesome. And you're. And you can buy beer. Yeah. Even if it wasn't legal, though. I mean, you'd be drinking, right? Of course. At that age. I know I would. I was already. But the fact that you could go to a place and you could buy it. And you're old enough. And you could. Well, also back then they had these clubs where you could just bring in your booze. You just bring in a case of beer or a keg or whatever. Yeah. And just bring it in. And they have a show. Yeah. You know, it's one of those places where they like. At the. At a certain point. They go, all right, everybody out. Because we're going to get. Everyone's got to go out. Yeah. We can charge you to get back in. Yeah. And then everyone leaves. And then they come back in. They charge it. And then you drink your beer. Good times. That's cool, man. So when you joined the Vandals, were they already kind of popular and kind of like a big in the punk scene? Just in the neighborhood in Huntington Beach. They played a few shows. They played the Cuckoo's Nest. And they played house parties. Okay. That was it. I think one show at the Cuckoo's Nest and a couple of house parties. That was it. And so how did. How did you get to be in the movie Suburbia with. With Flea. And like all these other punk rock people. And it was directed by Penelope Spheres, right? Yes. And what's I think more interesting about that film is it is a Roger Corman film. Really? Yeah. Roger Corman, you know, the greatest B movie producer of all time. That's a Roger Corman film. So if someone says, you know, to me, my claim to fame is I've been in a Roger Corman film. Not that I've been in a Penelope Spheres film. What did she do? She was just hanging out. She didn't do anything. I directed that movie. She didn't do anything. No. I mean, she was. She was there, directed the film. That's her film. But I mean, I'm all excited. I'm in a Roger Corman film because I'm into this B movie. Then. So I'll tell you, that's actually kind of a good story. The. I'm going to turn my microphone down in my own. In your own brain. In my own brain because it's terrible. Sometimes my voice in my brain can get really loud. So I'm always yelling at myself and putting myself down and stuff and being myself up. Yeah. Well, Burt Dragon. Oh, no. That's the other producer of the movie. So Burt Dragon, Roger Corman. Roger Corman and Penelope Spears. They put this movie together. You know, they had just done The Decline or Penelope Spears had done The Decline. So she's going to do a movie with a script. And the script calls for a few scenes where bands are playing. So they. She picked TSOL and DI were the two bands she wanted. And she let the cast pick the third band. So the cast voted and they picked the Vandals. Wow. Yeah. So I thought that was pretty good. Everybody just picked the bands that were going to be in the movie. I mean, she picked the two. And then the cast voted on who would be the third. And so we were it. So she didn't really necessarily want us in the movie. As far as we know. So the reason why I tell this story is because the next movie we were in. And now at this point, I'm like thinking I'm going to be in movies all the time. Yeah. Here comes another movie. This movie was called Dudes. Directed by Penelope Spears. Dudes. Dudes. Dudes. I never heard of Dudes. Well, you might want to check it out. Yeah. If you like bad movies. Go to Videotech or something and rent it. The, um, it starred, um, uh, John Cryer. Okay. Two and a half men. I've heard of him. And then Daniel, I forgot his name, but he was in, uh, like, uh, River's Edge and, and, uh, a bunch of cool movies. But, um, I forgot his name. Buck Daniel. I forgot his name. But he's, um, he's a good guy. He's pissed because I know he's listening right now. I know. Yeah. I feel really bad. I feel really bad. I feel really bad. I thought that you guys were close, you know. Yeah. I do see him every now and then. And I do see two and a half men, man. Uh, John Cryer. John Cryer. You see him? I see him all the time too. Yeah. Uh, he was on my morning show a few times. But, um, so this movie, the script says, uh, these two guys who are played by Daniel Buck. I'm going to just call him Daniel Buck. Uh, and John Cryer, they go to see a, they go to see the vandals in the script. Oh, cool. And then they, we play this song where it says, I want to be a cowboy. It's called Urban Struggle. We play that song. They get inspired by that song and they go out West and they, one of them turns into a Indian. The other one turns into a cowboy and they have all these, like this is a fantastic adventure, but it's inspired by them, uh, in the mosh pit listening, you know, to our song. That's pretty, that sounds like a pretty fucking cool movie. It's not. No? No. It sounds better than it actually turned out. I'm making it, I'm making it sound a little better than it is. You should remake it. Yeah. Like someone's got to. Yeah. So. The, my point being, there's our second Penelope Spheeris movie in a couple of years. Right. She didn't necessarily want us in that movie either. We were written into the script. So she's not exactly like a fan of yours. No, you said, one would think. You're like a thorn in her side. Maybe, yeah. Creatively. One would think that we're her favorite band, but when you look into it, we're not. She hates you. She might. You ever run into her or anything? You ever talk to her since those days? Or is she like all snobby? I think I tried to get a hold of her so I could, I could get, Herbie Hancock just showed up. That's pretty good. Yeah. That's my ringtone on my phone. Pretty good. Yeah. Rock it. And you know what? That's pretty good that you picked that up, man. You know, not, not every, everybody will hear that and they'll hear the first like, and they'll, they'll like say, that sounds familiar, you know? And I didn't even get to the part and you knew it, man. I'm from that era. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're like an idiot savant of like 80s, like cool video music or something. That was the coolest video. Did you remember that video? Oh yeah. Oh man. It's all the robots and stuff. And I remember the toothpaste getting squished out, you know, whatever. That was cool. That was awesome. I mean, that was a, well actually now since we're talking about Herbie Hancock, Herbie Hancock was the inspiration to the Vandal song, Lady Killer. Right. Mm-hmm. Because when we, I mean, you know, you hear that DJ sound, we didn't know what that was. We didn't know how they were doing it. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And we would get, we got a turntable, we'd get an old turntable from a thrift store, the 8-track player in it and all that stuff. And we would just scratch it side to side. Yeah. Like we thought, across the grooves, just like. And we thought that's what they were doing. Uh-huh. So that's how we made that sound and we had it in the studio and then we had the singer wear one with a guitar strap. Uh-huh. And. So you weren't like listening to like Grandmaster Flash or anything like that? We were, but we didn't know how they made the sound. You didn't know how he did that? You're like, wow, man, that's so cool. There was no MTV, there was no internet. How would you find out? Yeah. And that was kind of a new thing they were doing too, you know? I mean, it's before the Beastie Boys. Yeah. It's before, you know, Dr. Dre or Eazy-E or all this stuff. It's just, I don't know what they were doing, but it sounds cool. I think it's scratching. I knew that. Uh-huh. And so we just did it and none of us knew we were doing it wrong. And we did it for years. Sounds good. Sounds great. Yeah. I mean, but we went through a lot of turntables. So you were scratching, that was your first album that you did that, right? The second one. The second album. Yeah. The EP and then that was the first like full length. Oh, okay. Yeah. So you're right there with Herbie Hancock and Grandma Has a Flash. Yeah. I mean, we liked it. We thought it was cool. We thought it was the cutting edge, you know, like, because you're always sitting around, if you're a punk rock guy, you think, I mean, punk rock is so new and innovative, but you don't want to get bogged down like, oh, is there some new thing after this? Uh-huh. Later I found out there was no new thing after this. So what was it like back then? What was the punk rock scene like? What was punk rock like? I mean, it was fairly like fresh back then, right? It just started. Yeah, but like I'm saying, it would kind of die. It would go in waves and it would, like the first wave in the seventies, you know, and these old art people, I call them old now, they're much younger than I am now, but there were these old Hollywood art crowd, you know, same thing in New York, art crowd, like talking heads and Devo. Right. These are all people that came from art, the art schools and the art, you know, they were artists. Right. Okay, great. But those people in these areas are going to be punk rock, they're going to follow whatever cool trend comes. Right. And they happen to be punk rock. Mm-hmm. We were from the suburbs, so we got into it because we were bored, we didn't like hippies. Uh-huh. And then so we go, we heard, you know, the Sex Pistols and we heard the Ramones, we heard the Dickies and we heard Devo and we thought, this is really good and it makes the hippies mad. What didn't you like about hippies? I mean, I know that's a dumb question. Yeah, I think it's a dumb question. But, you know. I didn't like how their music was, you know, became so manufactured and boring and milquetoast. Right. You know, they're listening, even like stuff that you might think is cool now because it's like got some edge, like Ted Nugent or even Black Sabbath or Led Zeppelin. It all kind of just created this stupid hippie culture. Yeah. And, you know, I don't think they had anything to offer. Right. They were like, you know, you could be a punk rock guy that doesn't have a job, has a brain and a political, you know, view and he's got some views. But the hippies, they didn't know what they wanted. Right. You know what? They weren't even the love hippies from the 60s. They were the 70s hippies. So they're not too far off from like the hipsters then that's going on right now, right? I mean, is that kind of like an offshoot of the hippie kind of like the artists and, you know, they're kind of like, you know, their head is just full and they're kind of like diluting cool. They're like noticing cool stuff and like taking it and making it their own and like diluting it. Making it shitty. No, I don't think, I don't think, I think it's different. I understand where you're coming from. Yeah. The hipsters are really. I hate everybody. I mean. They're taking a real beating right now. Yeah. You know, they are. But. Well, because they're annoying, right? I mean, that whole attitude is kind of like. It's like when you go to a restaurant and there's a bunch of hipsters in it and yeah, you just. Yeah. Oh God, I don't want to get out of this neighborhood. Yeah. That's why I don't live in and never have lived in Silver Lake. Yeah. Or Echo Park. Yeah. Any of those places. I'd rather live in, you know, Beverly Hills next to a. Chic. You know, I got nothing in common with them. Yeah. But I'm not. Because the chic has more culture. You know what I mean? I just, I'm not going to. Our cultures are never going to overlap. But when you're with a hipster, your culture does overlap with them. Yeah. You do like the same music as them. Yeah. Perhaps. Kind of. Yeah. But I don't. So I don't want to. I don't want to get into it. I mean, mostly it's just shitty though. I mean, honestly, like I listen to the music and like there's. I mean, there's. Don't get me wrong. There's a lot of cool bands and like, you know, there's music for every kind of mood that you have, you know. But like lately in the L.A. music scene, there's not that many bands with like a kick in the balls kind of sound. You know what I mean? Just like really hard. I'm not talking about all metal and stuff like that. You know, I'm talking about really good, punchy, really, you know, punk rock bands, man. Like what happened to the punk rock bands? Well, I don't know. Tell us. Tell us. I don't know. I mean, you know, a lot of it has to do with how long you've been in this certain scene and how you get old and then you get bitter. Yeah. Uh. That's part of it, right? Yeah. You get older and you get bitter, right? You get bitter and then you get into the art scene for a while because you're too old to go to the punk shows and you go to the art shows and you think you're superior because you found something new. And then I don't know what happens to you after that. But. Yeah. But I mean, back in the early days of the punk rock world, there were the suburban kids that came in and we were. They didn't like us. You know, they thought we were spoiled Orange County brats or Granada Hills brats or wherever these people were coming from from the suburbs. But then they kind of took over, you know, because we formed bands like Vandals, TSOL, Bad Religion, Social Distortion. We formed our bands and we have really good songs. So we took over the thing and we just took it over. And other bands were great bands that were around like, you know, the Dickies and the Weirdos and. But Dickies are still around. Can you believe that? They, they, they, they, um, Weirdos play some shows too every once in a while. Yeah. But we, we just kind of came in and we took over and we, all of a sudden. There's big shows at the Olympic Auditorium with, with, you know, Social Distortion and the, uh, Circle Jerks or whatever. Mm-hmm. Uh, the Vandals and Bad Religion and, you know, they made pretty big, a pretty big scene out of it. Uh-huh. And, and then, you know, the English bands would come and you'd open for them, the, the Toy Dolls or GBH or the Exploited. Mm-hmm. Um, the old punk rockers from the seventies, they didn't like any of that. Yeah. They thought it was ruined. Right. At that point. And then, and then now, uh, people like you and me probably think it's ruined. So what was better back then? Was the, uh, UK punk better or was the American punk better? Let's be honest. That's a good question. Mm-hmm. Well, my, I, I. And who started it? I just liked, I would say the Ramones. Mm-hmm. The Ramones started everything in punk rock except for they, they left out one missing piece of the puzzle. What's that? Which the Sex Pistols brought in. Uh, short hair. Short hair. Oh, okay. So the, the, the, the Ramones just had the music down. It's perfect. Better than the Sex Pistols music, I think. Mm-hmm. But the Sex Pistols said, I'm going to cut my hair and I'm going to look like a freak. Yeah. The Ramones had a weird look, but it was, it was a, you know, I guess a New York rocker look. Mm-hmm. Wasn't really groundbreaking, but the, and it wasn't, uh, as shocking. Mm-hmm. So there's some kind of combination there. You get the Ramones music, the Sex Pistols look. Well, the monks, they shaved their heads. Uh, like. Like monks, right? Uh. That's short hair. Yeah, that's true. Mm-hmm. That's true. A little bit short hair. Yeah. But what the, I mean, the music coming out of the Ramones was more influential, I think, on, on our, you know, the, uh, social distortion and the TSOL and the, and the, um, adolescence. Mm-hmm. And, uh, influenced by that music, but also by the, you know, the Buzzcocks and the Damned and the Clats. Mm-hmm. Very few punk bands influenced by the Sex Pistols musically. Because it was a little more like New York Dolls. Right. Uh, that kind of rock. Which is weird. Buster Poindexter, right? Yeah. Which is a little weird. How that, how that music didn't really, um. Yeah. It, it, later, you know, you got all kinds of, you know, bands, uh, coming out like, you know, Guns N' Roses or these rock bands later that are like, you know, influenced by the New York Dolls. Mm-hmm. And the, uh, look at me. I'm talking about music like I know anything. You know what, man? You're not, I don't know anything either, man. I'm just trying to learn something from you. But, uh, but as far as the question being the British or the, or the American, I think definitely a mixture. I mean, to me, there was no difference between the Dickies and the Buzzcocks. To me, they were both rock stars. Right. The Dead Kennedys. Mm-hmm. And the Damned. Dude, they're all rock stars. They all play punk rock. They were all exciting and new. And, uh, you know, we, we, uh, were influenced by all of them. But in Huntington Beach, if you were... If you were a band, you would usually sing with an English accent. Oh, okay. Like T.S.O.L. Listen to the first T.S.O.L. records. Uh-huh. Superficial love. Yeah. Like, uh, uh, what's it? Property is theft. Like, what is that? What is that? The Beatles don't even sing like that. Or, uh, a Polish government. Yeah, that's weird, huh? Because, like... That's an English accent. Americans will have an English accent. Yeah. And the English will get, will have an American accent. Yeah. You know? Yeah, it was weird. Because, well, because the... The... You know, there was the Cockney punk rock bands that would, would, wouldn't have any, wouldn't lose their, their English accent. Mm-hmm. Or you, uh, and now the Oi bands or whatever. Um, I don't think they, they didn't, you know, and then they would, uh, the, in, in Huntington Beach or whatever, we would hear them talk. And so, uh, it was normal for the Huntington Beach, um, and the Orange County bands to have this English accent for some reason. Mm-hmm. It wasn't normal, but it, it certainly happened. So... So, when you would, when you were playing Orange County shows, did you come and play L.A. County shows? Like, what was, what was, what was the difference between the two scenes? Uh, because there's a difference now. You know what I mean? There, there's, there's still a difference between the L.A. County and Orange County sound. Um, was it the same kind of difference back then or was it all kind of the same thing and it just kind of split up later? I think it was just you get a show wherever you get a show. Mm-hmm. And then there were certain times when you couldn't get a show in L.A. because the, all the promoters were banning punk rock or the, the police wouldn't let a punk rock show take place. And then in Orange County, it was always harder other than the Cuckoo's Nest. It was always hard to get a show. So, someone would put up a show like in a glass house, not the glass, the ice house in Fullerton or something. Someone would throw a show. Mm-hmm. Promoter would come in and start doing a few shows at a place and then someone would get stabbed and then it would be stopped. Yeah. It would be a roller skating rink, uh, put on a few shows, someone would get stabbed and it would stop. But I think it was equally dangerous. Yeah. And it was everywhere. The most dangerous area, I would say, for all, of all the punk shows, uh, were, was this a club called the Fleetwood in Redondo Beach? Mm. Just beatings. Really? Beatings going on. Just like nightly people fighting all the time? Yeah. Oh, it was bad. It was a bad period. And that's like, people were like, I guess this would be 1984, 85, 80, no, 83, probably 83. These, these people are starting to shave their heads. Yeah. And call them, call themselves skinheads. Okay. Yeah. And, and we couldn't tell at that point, before the skinheads started shaving their heads and being thugs, you could tell someone who's a legitimate punk rock guy had paid his dues, he had hair that was messed up. Yeah. You know, you could see the roots were growing out. Yeah. You know, and, and his jacket was worn and he had patches or whatever. He like, had a uniform. And then all of a sudden, these guys were shaving their heads and being punk overnight. And then you couldn't tell the jocks, the, the frappants. Right. From the punks and the Nazis. You couldn't tell, you couldn't tell nobody was safe. Right. Did they have the shoelace code or something? Cause I remember, I remember back in the, when I was all punk rock and stuff, they had like shoelaces for the Doc Martens. And if you wore like different color ones that specify if you're like a racist or if you're like one of the cool skinheads. Meanwhile, all skinheads, fucking assholes, right? Just a fucking bunch of troublemakers and shit. Especially the, the, the non-racist ones tend to be like, just like looking to be heroes and shit. Yeah. High and mighty. Mighty. Yeah. Yeah. Get off your high horse. Fuck you, man. Fuck you. Are you racist? Hey, fuck you. I'll beat your ass. Hey, I'll beat you up cause I hate racists. Yeah. Yeah. So it got a little weird then. And then, um, and then that kind of, you know, things died out. There was no big shows and then everyone thought it was dead. Right. And then I think, you know, what I would credit the resurgence would be to perhaps I'll give bad religion the credit. Uh huh. I just think coming up this stuff off the top of my head too, it's not like I have a theory. I wrote a book or anything. Yeah. Um, what could be your next book? Could be. Bad religion comes back from the dead and they write a very good record. Uh, the name of it, I do not know. But, uh. Around what time was that? Well, they had a, uh, I would say. It was like in the mid nineties or something. Is that what it was? 2011, 2010. I think the album you're talking about was like not punk rock enough for us to listen to, but I heard it and liked it and I couldn't tell my friends I liked it because I wouldn't be punk rock. No, no. They're on the, the album I'm talking about was just straight up punk rock. They had a, they, they, they made like a soft acoustic stupid record. Oh, they did? They thought they were too good for punk rock. That one was called into the unknown and you can't find it now. Oh, okay. I haven't heard that one. Hard to find. Find it. It's like very, very hard to find. Yeah. The, in fact, I had two copies of it and I looked in my collection and I have the cover of the vinyl and not the vinyl inside it. And I think members of bad religion were sent out to everybody's houses. To just steal all that crap? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They tired to move them. Destroy the evidence. Yeah. So they come back, they come back with a good record and they kind of revitalize things. No Effects starts writing good songs because of the first couple No Effects records are some of the worst music you've ever heard. The worst shows, just garbage. I, then they started writing great records, great songs. And also- So like what their first good album was like ribbed or something? Yeah. So you're talking about the stuff that was on that, like that super seven sampler and stuff. The Mystic Records stuff. That's garbage. I always liked that, though. Yeah, because you like garbage. Pretty much, yeah. But I'm talking about... I do play in the Mormons, so, you know. Well, there's punk energy, you know, music and all of it. Yeah. But then all of a sudden, let me go so far. All of a sudden, NoFX and Bad Religion are writing really, really good songs. I mean, hits, melodies. Right. Well, that's what happens when you're in a punk band, right? Because at first you start in the band not knowing how to play shit. It's all energy. And then you learn how to play your instruments, and then you're like, hey, you know what? Maybe I can actually write a song that actually has a melody, a beginning, a middle, and an end. Yeah. And then NoFX started doing it really well. Bad Religion was doing it, and then all of a sudden, you know, it attracted more people to it. More girls got in the scene because there was more melodic music. Yeah. More girls come, more guys come. Right. Back in the early days, you wanted to really know what it was like. There were no chicks. No chicks. We have a chick here. Uh-huh. She would not fit in. No. Sonia. Yeah. Sonia would not be there. It's Sonia's birthday, by the way. Happy birthday to Sonia. Happy birthday, Sonia. Too bad Dan's not here, so the clapping. You can help me out, Joe. Thank you. So there were no chicks. There would be like, I know you're not supposed to call them midgets, but there were like four midget girls in the scene. And then there'd be like one really tall Amazon chick, and that would be the girl scene. And then every once in a while, Belinda from the Go-Go's would show up at a show, and you just go, oh my gosh, finally, the hot chick is here. There's like maybe two or three Hollywood girls. All coked out. Hollywood chicks like that, yeah. But there were no chicks. They were just all dudes, and then these like, you know, weirdos. And you weren't gonna, it was, you were really making a decision to be a part of a subculture, to be involved in punk rock, because there wasn't like, like today, hey, I'm gonna be punk. There's all kinds of hot punk chicks, you know? Oh, I'll eat lunch with them. But back then, you go, oh, I'm gonna be punk. I will eat lunch by myself, and I'll have donuts thrown at me, you know, at lunchtime. That's what your choice was. Yeah. So it was brutal. It was rough. But, you know, at a certain point, you know, it died, and then the good songs came, and it came back, and then you got the Warped Tour, and you got the... Yeah. Does that answer anybody's question? Yeah, that's a pretty good answer to the question. You know, if anybody has questions and wants to talk to Joe Escalante here at the More Music Radio pod, call 800-893-9562, and call up and say something, and join in on the conversation. We're gonna take a break. We're gonna play a couple songs. And we'll be back with Joe Escalante on the More Music Radio pod. All right. Nope. Hey, fuck you. Your mother. Fuck you, eh? Fuck you, eh? Sonny, fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck your mom, eh? Fuck you, eh? Fuck you. Nope. Hey, fuck you. Hey, you know what? You don't got nothing. You better to do hot. Fuck you, eh? No, no, no, no. Not fuck me. You know, you don't have nothing. But if you had enough balls, you should come over here and tell me in my face. Fuck you, eh? You little pussy. Fuck you, eh? You're going as an excuse. You know? How come you don't come over here? Fuck you, eh? You're a fucking little pussy. Come over here. Look, if I find out who you are, I already changed your car, you fucker. Are you okay? All right? Are you okay? I changed your car, and if I find you, dick, you're gone. So why don't you just go and do something good? Fuck you, eh? Don't phone your mom, or I'll bring her over, and I'll work on her. Then you'll be happy. Fuck you, eh? No. Hey, fuck you, eh? You know what? You know what? Keep back, dude. You know what? Huh? Be a fucking man. Okay. Come and tell me in my face. All right? Hey. I'm sick and tired of your fucking bullshit about the phone. Is that what you are? You're a little pussy. All you can do is talk by the phone. Dude, I have enough balls to come over here and know who you're talking shit to, fucker. Don't use a fucking phone. You know what you are? You're a little ranker and a pussy, dude. Is that it? Dude, do that. You shouldn't do that shit, dude. What kind of shit is that? That all you do is call and fuck you and fuck you? Dude, I have enough balls to come and talk shit to people's face, fucker. Hey, fuck you. The More Music Radio Pod. Broadcasting internationally from downtown Los Angeles. On Skid Row. L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L-L. The More Music Radio Pod. Broadcasting internationally from downtown Los Angeles. On Skid Row. We're listening to www.skidrow.la. And we're going to have a good time tonight no matter what. Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah! Ha ha! Do you love me, baby? Yes. How much do you love me? A whole bunch. Well, how much is a whole bunch? Well, I don't know. This much? Oh! Does she sigh or call her baby? And if she wants to go out and say maybe? Never let her get the upper hand. A woman can't respect a weak man. And if she talks back, you just gotta snap her down. Oh! You give her that slap and roll That keeps her coming around So she ran out, let her out She just went down to the store You know she'll have an apology And a sixer when she comes through that door She loves that stinging pain And she knows you'll have to do it again And if she talks back You just gotta slap her down You give her that slap and roll That keeps her coming around But don't feel sorry, that's a mistake The biggest one you'll ever make I wouldn't trust her as far as I could explore You might love her but you don't really know her And if she talks back You just gotta slap her down You give her that slap and roll That keeps her coming around I'll show your love with a slap You know that she will come back I'll show your love with a slap You know that she will come back I'll show your love with a slap I'll show your love with a slap You know that she will come back Show your love with a snap You know that she will come back And now you're looking at the rings on your hand And you're feeling like a hell of a man The woman now knows her place I can see it in her rosy face But if she talks back I really gotta slap her down I give her that slap alone And keeps her coming around I show my love with a slap And I... I want to be a cowboy I'm going to be a cowboy I'll tired of that I'll tired of that I'll tired of that I'll tired of that I'll tired of that I'll tired of that I'll tired of that I'll tired of that I'll tired of that I'll tired of that I'll tired of that I'll tired of that I'll tired of that I'll tired of that I'll tired of that you know, I'm a guy who goes like to church and regularly I see all these people and they're like, yeah, you got some kind of music thing. That's fine. Everybody forgives what you did when you're young, but I can't just re-release a song with, you know, that is primarily about violence against women. Even though it's a joke and it's tongue in cheek. I took that one out and I took out one called HB Hotel out of our original EP. That one was like about rape. Oh, really? Just beyond this one. That was worse. Yeah, and it was like our old singer, he wrote songs like that. And then he's not in the band anymore. So it's a much different band than it was when it started, the band now, right? Yeah, it was, in a way, in some ways it's the same, some ways it's just totally different. It's still a joke, funny punk band. It's not political, it's not serious. But at the beginning it was, like other punk bands of that era, mostly energy. And not a lot of, you know, kick-ass songwriting. But we'd get lucky in a song like that, Urban Struggle song was pretty good. We'd have a few, you know, hits here and there, you know, songs that were memorable. But then over time, I don't know, somehow it turned into like a pop punk band. I think maybe that's our, you know, Warped Tour being influenced by bands like NoFX. Right. And, you know, Pennywise, Bad Religion, all the bands around us. It became kind of a melodic pop band after a while. And some people of the old school... A lot tighter and stuff. Oh, well, the musicianship got better, of course. Well, yeah. But some people were like, if they're going to criticize the vandals of today... I mean, the original drummer, I mean, Jesus Christ. Yeah, he was pretty bad. But the... If you're going to criticize the vandals and you're an old, bitter man, you would say, oh, well, this is pop punk crap that they play, this pansy-ass music. Yeah. That's true. It sounds like shit. I mean, they play show tunes a lot of it, but that's our thing. Yeah. And that's what we... But does it matter anyway, right? I think it just matters that the songs are good. Yeah. Yeah, the song's good. And have we released some songs that aren't that good? Yeah, we needed to fill some space. See, that's the thing about, like, punk rock. When I was in high school and getting into the punk rock thing and, like, wanted to be punk rock and trying to earn them punker points and stuff, and there were certain bands that you couldn't listen to or certain era of bands that you couldn't listen to without you being called, like, a poser or something. Yeah, that is true. And to be honest, there were the later Vandals records. Like, if I was listening to them and somebody would hear it, they'd be like, oh, you like that shit, man? They suck now. Why are you listening to that? And you like no effects, too? And I'm like, no, I don't. I just... I don't know why this was on, you know? Yeah. No, that is true. And there are those people. And for a while, we had to even purge our audience of these people. Like, we would... You know, because we were, bam, 30 years old. And we, you know, the first... Like, around 1990, one or whatever, we put out this record called Fear of a Punk Planet. Mm-hmm. And then... That was one of my secret albums I liked that I didn't want to tell anybody. Yeah, that's the new... That's the beginning of the new... Because I had a big mohawk and stuff. I was very punk rock. Yeah, punk, but yeah, yeah. I could not be walking around... Right. ...like, listening to that or letting people know that I listened to that because that would not be punk rock enough. So we had... But I did like it. Thank you. So we made that record. We're very proud of it. And that's our first record with Josh Fries, our drummer. He's now Mr. Famous. Yeah. And Warren... Mr. Devo. Yeah. Warren Fitzgerald, you know, and me and Dave Quagmish. Mm-hmm. So we're very proud of that record. We make it, you know, just because we feel like making a punk record. And one of those records where you just... Let's just go make a punk record. Like, a lot of bands do that. Like, ah, we've tried... You know, we try to evolve. We try to do this. We try too hard. Right. Let's go make a punk record. So that was our version of that. We go, let's go make it. And it turned out we really liked it. We liked the way... And that's the... The Vandals of today. Was that the first... That starts 1991. Okay. So that's like a new era of the Vandals, right? Still, yeah. That's a new era, but it's 20... It's 21 years ago. Right. Right, right, right. And is that the album that you switched from drums to bass? No. I switched... In the previous album, I played... Actually, in the previous album, I played drums on it, but it says I played bass because I was... We had a drummer and he wasn't... He wasn't cutting it. So I had to play the drums. And I wasn't cutting it as a bass player, honestly. So we got a guy named Robbie Allen, to play the bass tracks. I played the drum tracks. And then a couple years later, we put out Fear of a Punk Planet. And that's... Yeah, Josh Freeze as the drummer. Oh, okay, yeah. His first thing with us as the drummer. Produced by one of the members of Devo. And that's how he meets Devo and ends up in the band Devo. But... Wow, man. He's such a great fucking tight drummer, man. Really good. He's one of the best. One of the best that ever lived. Is he a cool dude or is he a dick? Oh, what a dick. No, he's... He's my only friend that calls me regularly. Really? Yeah. Yeah, isn't that weird? I mean, the older you get, like, people will stop calling you and stuff. And then you stop calling... I mean, I know I stopped calling people too. And I'm like, why am I complaining people don't call me? I don't call anybody. Yeah, I don't call anybody either. But that guy calls every day. And you feel bad because he calls you and you're like, I never call him. I don't pick up. I'm just saying he's my only friend that calls me. It's nice that he calls and stuff, but he's annoying. Okay. Yeah, exactly. Cool. So, yeah, man. So, I mean, we're talking a lot about the Vandals, but I mean, the Vandals is actually just like a small part of what you've accomplished in your life. I mean, you said when you were young that you wanted to be a lawyer. So when you were in the Vandals, were you going to school and being in the band at the same time? I was going to... I went to college, UCLA, and then toured in the summers. Then I went... I graduated from college, like on time, you know, after four years. And then I... I toured around and I was going to go to law school, but I got really punk at that point. So I'm not going. Yeah. That's a cool feeling to turn like all punk rock and shit. Yeah, overnight. I don't care about anything. I'm fucking punk, man. Yeah, I'm like... Look at my patches. I thought I was going to law school. I don't need to go to law school. Did you have a mohawk? No. No? I mean, you know, I'd have like a... every once in a while. Did you try to spike it up and stuff? No, no, no. No? I didn't have that kind. That was too dumb, right? We were like taking it way overboard, right? Well, to me, that was almost like a Civil War reenactor. Like, I'm going to put this uniform on and I'm going to go reenact a battle from the 1970s. Reenact anger. Yeah. And frustration. Hey, you know what? We got a call. We have Carlos on the line. Carlos, you are on the air with Joe Escalante. Carlos. Hello. How are you? Hey, what's up, dude? What's going on? Hi, we're just here. Dude, I can't believe you like that album when you were listening to it. I'm trying to hide in the album. I can't believe it. That's pretty bad stuff, huh, Carlos? Oh, my God. Anyways, I want to ask Escalante, Mr. Escalante, how come about like the original members and stuff, you know? Yeah, mm-hmm. Like, I guess, you know, everybody on the internet don't like you because they say you stole the songs and stuff, but I don't understand what happened. That's true. Carlos does bring up a point that there is a little bit of controversy. Do the original members of the Vandals, uh, dislike you in any way that you know of? Yeah. I would say they do, yeah, for sure. Do they hate your fucking guts? Hey, just to make it clear, you know, I don't, I like you. Oh, okay. Thank you, Carlos. Yeah. No, I mean, I'll tell you what, Carlos. Yeah, after, I mean, there's, there's like... We're getting along because we're all Mexican. Yeah, exactly. I thought Carlos was Swedish. Did you say it? No, I, I would say it's hard to explain without going through an hour of, of stuff, but I can assure you, Carlos, that, um, uh, you know, nothing, nothing was ever, uh, stolen. No, no, no, uh, I mean, I don't know what you do with the songs. We keep playing the songs. Right. And, um, there was a fight about, um, uh, shortly after I got in the band between the guitar player and the singer. Mm-hmm. And when the singer quit, I, it wasn't my band, it was the guitar player's band. So, so Steve-O was only on the first album, right? No, he was on the first EP and the first album. Okay. And then there's drug problems you have in your band or whatever, and... Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. You had a drug problem? Oh, my gosh, yeah. No, it was a drug. Did you ever have a drug problem? No. No? I did some drugs, but it didn't become a problem. A little weed? No weed, that's for hippies. Okay, coke? Let's not go into that. That's for hipsters. Okay, well, anyways, this guy, this guy, uh, you know, Steve-O is like, you know, he did, he lived the punk rock dream all the way to the end, and then, and then he got kicked out of the band because he was just out of control. Right. And then, but the band was Jans. Mm-hmm. Uh, our old guitar player. So Jan, uh, owns the band at that point. That sounds, that's a dude for everybody that is listening that is, not only, you know, not only girls can have that name. Yeah, he had that, he had that, uh, I think he was a dude. Um, so he, uh, he kicked Steve-O out of the band because it's, it's his band. Okay. And, um. Is he the one who started it? Who started the whole thing? He started it, Jan. Okay. A guy named Jan Ackerman. Right. It's not his real name, but he doesn't like his real name being spewed out, so he, like, go with the stage name. Oh, why? Because is, is his real name, like, Jan Buttfuckerman or something, or? I mean, is it, is it any worse? No, he just, he just has a professional career that he doesn't like to be, uh. Oh, okay. I try to respect his, his, uh, his new career. Does he hate you, by the way? Mm, I don't think so. I think he hates himself. He kind of got over it, you think? Well, no, I mean, there was nothing to get over. This guy's, like, all these guys, you, you're in a band with these guys, and then they either quit, or they try to ruin the band, or they do the drug thing, you know, and then they all leave. Now, if the band breaks, that, no one cares. Right. But if the band goes on and starts having success, then people start getting bitter, and they start doing weird things. And they, these guys did a lot of weird things. Okay. And, uh, it, it, it got settled. It's very, I'm very comfortable with everything I did. Mm-hmm. And, and one of the ways that they tried to get more than they deserve was by going on the internet and spreading rumors that, uh, I was, they, they said I was this big, rich guy that stole everything, and, and, uh, Steve-O, our old singer, killed himself because I stole his music and his, you know, songs. Meanwhile, I'm taking his music and just, like, deleting them from, from albums because I, I don't want these songs. Right, right. Um, but, yeah, so he was, um, I think, I think most of that internet stuff started from one guy in the band trying to get money, recruiting a couple of the other guys to create this crazy story, and it didn't, and then we, it didn't work, and then the singer did kill himself, and then when, so his first, when the guy's first... How did he do that? Just overdose, or... Oxycontin overdose. Mm. And, uh, then this guy, old band member, spreads a rumor on the internet that he killed himself because he didn't get paid by Joe Escalante. Mm. Which is a very sad thing to, to boil someone's life down to. This guy killed himself because he was in a band for three years in his youth. Right. And then 20 years later... And he really... And then 20 years later, 20 years later, 20 years later, he kills himself. Right. Mm-hmm. And it was pretty sad that this guy did this, but this, this guy, I don't want to mention his name. So it's your fault that you were successful, right? Yeah. So, so your success, like, in contrast, like, made him look, look at himself and go, I'm just gonna end it because of Joe Escalante, man. Yeah, which isn't true. And the guy, the guy was, uh, a pretty good, um, you know, he was pretty good about everything. Mm-hmm. He, he, you know, being, he didn't want to be in the band anymore. Mm-hmm. He, uh, you know, I've got, like, a postcard from him congratulating me on the Vandal's current success. Mm-hmm. And then, but this guy comes to him, kind of interesting, Mm-hmm. says, hey, Steve-O. Hey, so, Joe Escalante's, Wait, wait, wait, we're, we're, we're answering your last question. Joe Escalante, so, so he's saying, he says, hey, Joe Escalante, uh, is making millions now off of this old Vandal's record. Mm-hmm. And he, and he convinced this guy that, and a couple other guys that I was. And the number they came up with, the why I was, the reason I was so rich is because the royalty, and you'll know this by even putting out records, they claimed, and they put in court documents, that my royalty was $10 per album. Ha, ha, ha. The album I, that, that was signed, like, we, we, we licensed the, the album to, uh, to BMG. Mm-hmm. And they put it out. And then they said, well, Joe Escalante gets $10 per album. Have you ever heard of a $10 per album royalty? No, I don't know anything about the music business. Okay, well, a royalty, a normal royalty for Michael Jackson is about $10. I got $1.70. Yeah. And, and they sued me based on the fact that they thought I was getting $10 per album. Then when it all came out, they didn't, of course I wasn't getting that. That's a good deal, you bastard. I know. So then it got really, so they got, they put this, this, this lawsuit together, and then we all settled it, and we all divided up the money in an, in a, uh, in a way that was definitely not fair to me compared to the original deal that I had with these guys. Right. But we did it, and we, and we went on from there. But they were so mad, or one of the guys was mad, so then he spreads a rumor that I, that I killed the, uh, Yeah. the, the singer. That's, like, pretty awful. I know. It's a bad thing to do. And, and, and you know what? I mean, because you probably felt bad enough that the guy killed himself. I mean, I, I mean, I'm assuming that you didn't hate the guy. No, not at all. And you don't, you didn't want him to die. We had a good relationship. Uh-huh. And then, At the end, did you, were you guys on good terms? Yeah. And then, and then the guy, the, the sad part was, I mean, his, his mother had to hear all this stuff. At the funeral, and at the thing, this guy starts stirring up, saying, uh, Steve-O killed himself because of Joe Escalante. I mean, is this, like, really? So this guy was such a pathetic human being that 20 years later, that's all he was thinking about was Joe Escalante? Fuck. Yeah, and it's not, it's not a good, uh, Mm-hmm. testimony to his life. Mm-hmm. And his mom didn't appreciate it. And they put it on the internet. But this is like a, you know, kind of the beginning of the internet rumor world, where you put something on the internet, people believe it. And, uh, it's pretty sad if people believe rumors on the internet. How long ago did, was this, uh, blow out? I think it was about 2000, uh, 2005 or something? 2006? 2006. Yeah. 2005, I don't know, somewhere around there. Yeah, 2005, 2006, something like that. Yeah. And then, uh, yeah. This internet thing, it's such a, it's such a weird thing where you could reach everybody, but it really, it's kind of like for the gutless, you know what I mean? Like, you can go and say anything you want on the internet and then, like, try to remove it. Yeah. Or something, you know? Somebody called, we sent out event things on, um, on Facebook. Mm-hmm. Okay? Somebody on the wall said, Joe is a thief. Yeah. Yeah, right. Yeah. And I was like, okay, well, if you say that, then why don't you call up and talk to him and say, and say something? As soon as I said that, that message was gone. Yeah, everybody can talk to me about this stuff. It's like, it's an internet rumor that someone wants to believe if things aren't going that great for themselves and they perceive someone else to be, uh, wealthy, and God forbid, wealthy from punk rock. Right. It's very easy to believe that that person stole it. Right. Because it makes you feel a little bit better about yourself. Mm-hmm. Uh, I don't get a $10 royalty from these things. Right. Uh, I got a royalty check today for, uh, these, these two records that these guys have been complaining about. Uh-huh. My share was $180. Wow. And that is for six months. Kicked down, fool. Yeah, six months. So I got $180. Jan got $180. Mm-hmm. Steve-O's estate got $180. And then the other guy that didn't write any songs got probably $75. Mm-hmm. And these are the money that these guys are fighting for. And, you know, it's just, it's, it's, but I think if that rumor started today in the internet, people would, people are a little more savvy and they go, Yeah. Internet BS, you know, but five years ago, you hear an internet rumor like that, that it sounds kind of fun to believe, man, it spread like wildfire. Is it a matter of perspective, like, um, just depending on, like, who, what side of the, of the argument you are, like, it's just like both sides? Both sides have their, I mean, you can, you can understand why both sides feel the way they feel? Yeah, yeah, because you don't know what the other side is, uh, well, I mean, there was a, when the, when the singer and the, uh, old guitar player left the band, or when they, like, a couple years apart, but we all made a deal. Mm-hmm. And then the deal was based on, this band ain't worth anything. Mm-hmm. So, I stayed in the band and made it worth something. Mm-hmm. So then you come back 15 years later and you go, well, now that it's worth a lot, I want a lot more. Uh-huh. Well, you took that risk back then and you gave me a crappy deal back then, I didn't like it, but now I worked hard, involved Josh Fries, Mm-hmm. Dave Quagganbush, Warren Fitzgerald, I assembled an amazing group of people. Yeah. We worked our ass off, we quit our jobs. Right. And we built something into something, you know, semi-valuable. So if you didn't step in, there would be no Vandals. Nothing. We would be, Yeah. China White. Right. That's who we'd be. I was talking like, we'd be China White. Yeah. If I quit when you guys quit. Mm-hmm. And so, but 15 years later, they're like, well, you started making a lot of money, now give us some. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so we actually had to change the deal and I gave them a share, a bigger share than what they had agreed to. Uh-huh. And, but, and then that was fine. Maybe they were pissed because along with that, you were also successful in other areas too, you know what I mean? Yeah. Like, they're like, oh, look at Joe with his big shot. Joe has a big house, yeah, his house on the hill. Yeah. His house over, it's Signal Hill, man. So, Charlo, so you still there? Yes, I'm still here. So what do you think? Does that make any sense at all? It makes sense. I just want to clear up the rumor that I did not post that on the Facebook. Okay. But yeah, just rumors, yeah, rumor, rumor stuff. There's always, whenever you, whenever you mention my name on the internet or whatever and if it's a public forum, there'll be like, you know, I like Joe, I like Joe, I like Joe, good job Joe, keep fighting Joe. Then you'll see a Joe's a thief. Then you get the Joe's a thief guy. All the time. Well, you know, the thing is, can I ask two quick questions? Sure. Real quick. Number one, who do you think wrote like the original songs or would you say, was it like a group effort? Well, or like somebody or? Okay, the songs of our first EP like that with like Urban Struggle and Pirate's Life and that kind of stuff on it? Yeah. Okay, first one, we have Pat Brown, Urban Struggle, those were songs that were in the, they were the Vandals before and Wannabe Manor, those were Vandal songs before I even got in the Vandals. So there's no way I can take credit for those songs. I wasn't even in the band. Then Pirate's Life, I wrote the lyrics, Jan wrote the music, Anarchy Burger, I wrote the lyrics and the music. Then we, you know, there's, but there were times when the stuff, like when we made our deal and split up the band, split up all the stuff, there were, there were times when, because they, here's what happened. This is why it gets confusing. These guys played a reunion show in 1989. Okay. I think I read about this. We're in Europe. Mm-hmm. Quackenbush, me, the drummer that left after a while. We're playing this tour in Europe and then Jan and Steve-O want to play a reunion show. So they go and grab a drummer that was never in the band. Mm-hmm. They grab like bass player number four. Yeah. And they, Golden Voice pays them $5,000 to do a reunion show with Steve-O. Wow. And, but we're like, you know, we are, none of these guys are in the band anymore. A lot of money. You know, we only make like $40 for a show. Right. So it was a lot of money. So these guys are like, they want this money, you know, and they're all, at this point, I'm paying them all the royalties, everything's fine, and they're all thanking me. Thanks for like, you know, keeping track of the royalties and it's a lot of work to keep track of all this and make sure that other people aren't stealing from you. Yeah. And then take the money, what little money you do get and give it to them. Right. And, you know, here's your $60 check, here's my $60 check. Right. Then, after, so they want to play this show and I'm saying, hey, why are you doing that? You don't have the right to do that. Mm-hmm. Where, Jan kicked Steve-O out of the band a long time ago and we got Dave Quackenbush. Now, Jan gets kicked out of the band and, for not showing up to shows and tours Mm-hmm. And, you know, like actually not showing up to tours. Right. It's bad enough when you miss a rehearsal or a show. But if you don't show up to a tour, Yeah. Yeah. Gone. Yeah. After a while, you're gone. That's a lot of fucking work to just like, fuck everybody over on. So, this, these guys make a deal and they say they don't want any more of these $60 checks from me. Mm-hmm. They just want to do this $5,000 Oh, okay. show. And they want me to not block it. Okay. Which I could block it Yeah. at that point. So, we make a deal. Uh-huh. The deal is, take your $5,000 and this is the deal they came up with. Mm-hmm. We want our $5,000 and then you don't have to give us these dumb $60 checks anymore for this, you know, Okay. for royalties. Mm-hmm. Okay, fine. That's a good deal for me. Not a good deal because I'd rather have you not play that show. Right. Because that really hurt us because now we look like idiots. Mm-hmm. Now we look like the fake vandals. Right. But, okay, fine. Mm-hmm. I will keep the $60 checks. Now, 15 years later, the $60 checks are turning into like $300 checks, $500 checks. Right. And they want those. Oh, okay. So they come after me and say we want a new deal. Oh. They don't just say we want a new deal. They sue me. Oh, okay. So we settle the lawsuit and everything's settled. Okay. But while they were suing me, in between that time, I did put some records out that said, all songs copyright Joe Escalante. Mm-hmm. In the copyrights, the, in the, in the copyrights themselves, I never claimed the copyrights that I wrote the songs at all. Right. But it was something that kind of like through a, like if they were going to go back on their deal, it would have been very hard to, not very hard, but it was just like I'm mucking up the works. Uh-huh. Right, right, right. Never once did I ever tell anyone that I wrote any of these songs that I didn't write. But they did appear on one record as all songs copyright Joe Escalante that was put on there. And they saw that and they were like, oh, fuck this guy. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, maybe that was a mistake. Mm-hmm. Um, uh, it was something that I didn't think anyone would care about. And, uh, but then we, then we, what we settled on is that all songs are now copyright the Vandals. They're all written by the Vandals. Mm-hmm. But if you want to know the individual songs that were, who they were written, you can see, uh, there's only two songs in the original EP that I wrote, the lyrics of Pirate's Life and the lyrics and the music to Anarchy Burger. Mm-hmm. The other songs, I wasn't in the band when they, um, when they appeared. And then, uh, then, then the second album, um, you know, it was various, mixed. Right. We all wrote whatever we wrote. There's never really been a, uh, that big of a dispute. But we, and now we share them all. What does it feel like for people that you used to have this fellowship with and playing music with to, you know, years later turn around and sue you? What is that like? It's not very punk. Yeah. So I gotta say, what you do is if you have a, um, you know, what I try to sell them, I go, tell them, it's like, if you want more money, if you want to change that deal, call me on the phone. Right. Send me a letter. Right. Send me an invoice with a new amount you want. Yeah. Or something. Don't fucking sue me. Just get a letter, get a lawyer and sue me. Yeah. You know? Yeah. It was embarrassing. It wasn't punk. It was, it was crap. Mm-hmm. And they, and, and they, it didn't help them because they had to pay a bunch of legal fees. Mm-hmm. And we all sat down. They did exactly what I would have done if you, they just called me and say, hey, look, we made a bad deal. We'd like to change it. Mm-hmm. The deal I made with them wasn't even a real legal deal because you can't make the deal that we made legally because you can't transfer copyrights without a written agreement. Mm-hmm. So we made a deal that was like, okay, I'm going to take this, you take that. Right. 15 years later, they don't like, like a divorce, right? Yeah. They don't like the deal and then they want to, they want to change it and they had a good argument. They could go to a lawyer and sue me because we didn't have, we didn't have it in writing. If they would have came to you and say, hey man, you know what? We didn't know what we were doing. Can you, can we like re-talk about this? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I would love to, you know, have had a better relationship with them and that would have been a great way to do it and not a very expensive way either because it wasn't, it wasn't generating that much money. What's up, Charles? Yeah. This is actually the original drummer calling and if you could send me some money, I'd really appreciate it. All right. Well, no, here's, okay, here's the funniest thing. Out of all that that I had to go through with people saying, oh, you, these are our songs, you, you gotta pay us more and you got, and I got a call from the original bass player or an email where he says he wrote those songs and I just sent it to him like a, like a couple days ago. I said, hey, you guys, now what? This is still going on even like a couple days they're still back and forth going on? this guy, this guy, these people are really fucking hate your guts, don't they? This original, this original bass player, no, he was really, he was really nice about it. Oh, okay. He goes, hey, I, you know, he wanted some other advice about something so he asked me and then I said, hey, tell me some history of the band before I got the band because I got the band and he was the bass player but he was only in there for a couple months and then he quit. I asked him, I go, you know, tell me some history. So he tells me he wrote, he co-wrote, this guy Steve Gonzalez, he co-wrote Urban Struggle, he co-wrote Pat Brown, he co-wrote Wannabe Manor and then I'm like, now what? Yeah. Now what do I do? You're like, asshole, where were you fucking, 20 years ago? Or the other, if he's telling the truth or these two guys, why would you sue someone and say that he stole the music when you stole it from someone else? Yeah. I don't know what's true. Right. So I don't know what to believe. Yeah. You know, so I sent it back and I go, what do we do with this guy? I'll gladly, you know, share the money with them. It's not that much money but gosh, I mean, I wish you guys would have told, I mean, why are you so high and mighty if you're cutting this other guy out of the deal? So it's like, these are songwriting issues when in a band that's supposed to go nowhere and it should have gone nowhere but it went somewhere and then people got greedy saying, I want to share that. So that's why, I mean, a few days ago you posted something that you wrote. You wrote a band agreement that you wrote for LegalZoom and you can go on there and you can download it if you're in a band and that way you can just get everything just straight right there, right? Yeah, yeah. So you kind of wish that you would have known that back then, right? Yeah, but you know, who's going to do all that? You weren't that good of a lawyer. I wasn't a lawyer back then anyway. I wasn't a lawyer. I mean, that's another thing you might, Carlos, you might have heard on, people say like, oh, Joe Scalante, he's a lawyer so he stole this music from these people. Lawyers don't have the best image. Yeah, I know. And they shouldn't. But I wasn't a lawyer, you know, when these guys were in the band. I became a lawyer in 1992. Wow. You know, already, you know, Dave Quackenbush had been the singer for eight years at that point. Mm-hmm. And, you know, it's just like internet rumors. Right. Internet crap. The band's got a lot of, you know, 30 years, there's like a lot of weird little fights going on. Mm-hmm. All settled legally. Right. But there was just one period where one of the guys was trying to, just unhappy with how the lawsuit ended up, trying to blame me for killing the old lead singer. That's pretty bad, yeah. It's disgraceful. Yeah. But that's, you know, and then you're talking about a guy who was in the band for like two years. Yeah. And he still thinks about it. Wow. And he's still scouring my Facebook. Really? Yeah. And you're saying this was the original drummer? No, no. This is a guy, I don't want to mention his name. He's just a former band member. Mm. He's a, I don't know. You know where he lives? Maybe we can go in and TP his house or something. We should TP his house. Yeah. We'll get Charlos. Or maybe we'll put PP on his house. Or shit on it. I'll put PP on his house. Not a problem, man. Well, cool, man. You know what? And that's another thing too, man. I mean, I heard about that and like it's weird. I can sense that people are like pissed off at you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I can figure. But it's such a small. I was like, you know what? It's such a small group. I didn't realize that. It's a weird little group of internet people who like to believe bad things about other people. This show is on the internet too. I mean, if you have anything to say, I mean, that's the thing is like when people like are upset and they'll like throw like, you know, they'll lob something over, you know, some kind of bad remark. But then when it comes down to it, it's like a face to face or just like a person to person. Let's have a dialogue kind of thing there. They just don't come out and people are afraid of that confrontation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, yeah. You got to confront them and they melt because it's all nonsense. And you know what? I mean, God forbid if people have a dialogue, that shit gets settled, right? You know what I mean? And just kind of like, hey, you know what? I'm sorry. I was pissed off and just like, you know, everybody admit and stuff, you know? Well, hopefully that clears up, man, you know, because that is pretty awful. I think one guy at a time, Charlos, we got, I think we got Charlos. Do we have you convinced, Charlos? Yeah, yeah. I like the story. It's very nice. Well, hey, man, we're going to take another break. Thank you for your call, Charlos. We really appreciate it. We're going to... One last quick, quick, quick question. What's up, Bones? The Mormons, are we going to play with the Vandals? Yes. Yeah, that's right. The Mormons and the Vandals are going to do this huge show and it's going to be the original members of the Mormons are going to try to commit suicide and blame it all on one of us. You don't know who it's going to be, though. Oh, yeah, yeah. Mystery. Yeah, it's a mystery who's going to be the hated one. Thank you, Charlos. Thank you, Charlos. Have a good night. Thank you for calling the Mormon Music Radio Pod. We're going to take a break. We're going to play another couple songs and when we get back, we're going to talk to Joe about his battle with a media giant, a corporate media giant. Oh, yeah, I got all kinds of stories. Yeah, and you're also running for judge. Yeah, why not? Which I hope you make it because if I ever get in trouble, I'm going to try to see if I can maybe get you to oversee my case or something, but... It'll be a wink and a nod and you're out the door. Cool. All right, so we'll be back on the Mormon Music Radio Pod. Joe Escalante. All right, cool. Yo, motherfucker. You are listening to the Mormon Music Radio Pod from Skid Row Studio in downtown Los Angeles, California at skidrow.la. and you're listening to Hey, Spocky Hair Kid, you ain't really punk. You listen to Good Charlotte and other bands that suck. Who cares if those bands will lead you to their moans? You listen to punk for the right to wear the clothes. And when I'm talking about punk, I was the kid that said the same thing to me. Back in Green Day, we're on MTV. That's old school, bands before that are ancient. Now it's your turn to be the kid that we sure met. It's a big, big circle, for goodness sake. I used to be punk, but I forgot the handshake. The clock is about doing your own thing. To share the same opinions written in the zines. The clock is about not following the crowd. Wear a Dickies jacket, don't disagree out loud. No one did this before, not in 1984. Fear recreations for the Civil War. No talk can explain it, so it's not chucking up. Fuck a new fraternity with bad boy flops. Just can't stand it, for Christ's sake. Used to be punk, but I forgot the handshake. All couples are once, way back when. We could admit that, I'd say amen. The only real punks, are at least 40 years old. And the music they know, has been bought and sold. Real revolution won't happen if you're not in fashion. Imagine what could happen if we were redirected to that passion. Punk isn't dead, it's just silly. You ain't cool, you ain't even chilly. Whole thing gives me a huge headache. You think you're the only one who's gonna make it. Used to be punk, but I forgot the handshake. WWSkidrow.LA, are you FAA or FCC? We're DIY. DIY? What's that mean? Do it yourself. Do it yourself.! Pretending, you're even having fun. You're just standing there looking dumb and bored with your thumb in your ass. You better not. For once in your life, before you retire. Be the leader of the choir, set your pubic hair on fire. Just because, you feel like it. Be that monster living in the crowd. The shit could never ever be too loud. Your phone is no help to help you off your bot. Cause we're only getting started. We're free, free, and free to talk, we'll never stop. Can you hear me now? Good. Oh boy, is this great. Don't hesitate. Grab your pieces like an ape and finally celebrate. Just because. Finally talk to a girl. Throw your dream journal in the urinal. Cause we'll tap you Santa girl. Dreams really can't come true. Be living proof. Be that monster living in the crowd. The shit could never ever be too loud for me. So help us, help you off your bot. Cause we're only getting started. Yeah, we're only getting started. Stop. Go. Stop. 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This shit could never ever be too loud for me So let's just help you off and fuck Cause we're only getting started Yeah, we're only getting started Yeah, we're only getting started This is me, I'm gonna bring it back We'll never stop Pretending Call in, bitch 1-800-893-9562 Ichi, Hap, Yaku, Yakuza, Kugoroni Yeah, welcome back to the More Music Radio Pod We are here with Joe Escalante of the Vandals We were having a very good conversation About how Joe is a thief and an asshole Alright, cool Thank you But I'll tell ya, there's a little bit to that Because, um Are you trying to say that you are an asshole? Or what? What are you trying to say? I'm saying like, um Because I don't agree, man If you want to take it outside No I think you're cool, man You know? I don't know anything about, like None of that is It's really like all personal stuff, you know That's none of my business But I can also see I can see both perspectives You know what I mean? Like, you are the one that actually Kind of like brought the band back, you know? Yeah, I kept the band going And, you know what? I'll tell you what happened is One of the things is Do you remember when they had this Show in, um What was it called? Inland Empire, Inland Invasion In the second season of Sex Pistols Yeah And the Sex Pistols were playing with, um With, uh You know, a bunch of bands And all our problems Like the Vandals' problems Everyone was living with the original deal And everyone was fine with the original deal Right Now, probably mistakes were made were I didn't know how to do credit for When someone says, hey You own the songs now And we don't And we're not going to Get royalty And we're not going to Get royalties In exchange for this deal You know, I wasn't in law I wasn't in law school yet I didn't know anything So, they didn't get proper credit Which now I know Even no matter what kind of deal we have You should keep the credit consistent And it should have been like All songs written by the Vandals Or each individual member Or whatever What do you suggest? Like, for instance Let's say for my band Yeah We don't have any of these band agreements We've had 18 members I'm sure if we get really popular Someone is going to say that I'm responsible for somebody's death God forbid You know I'll tell you what the turning point was When our problems But what I recommend is Is just You choose one or the other Either all songs written by the Mormons Or What's really good to do Is say all songs written by the Mormons On the record Right And then Outside of the record Have some pieces of paper that say This is the song you wrote This is the song I wrote This is the song we wrote And we all own the copyrights to these But in Some of the records that came out After These guys Left The You know They ended up with With Credit That made me look like a jackass You know But we But when we made those records We're like What You know Someone would ask me What do you put on those records? I don't know I guess the songs are owned by my company Okay Because these guys made a deal To give these songs In exchange for The $5,000 Right Big payday Mm-hmm Um They didn't know They didn't know how to do it But then By the time Uh That That it all Uh No one cared Who cares? Yeah Then We And everyone lived with this deal For 15 years 15 years later We have a show With the Sex Pistols Wow You couldn't do better than that? No We couldn't, Karen I mean They are They buried Everybody In rock and roll They were The biggest Rock band In punk I did a show Okay With Johnny Rotten One thing, Joe I want to introduce you To Karen Centerfold She barged in here At Skid Row Studios I know Yeah, this is exciting I haven't been here for a long time It's very exciting We love her And I love Vince Vince knows me I did a show With Johnny Rotten Of the Sex Pistols On the Jimmy Kimmel show Live Mm-hmm And Jimmy Kimmel is Who? Jimmy Kimmel Channel 7 Jimmy Kimmel Who's Jimmy Kimmel? You know who he is Who? Well, anyway I did a show With Jimmy Kimmel And Johnny Rotten Who? In Johnny Rotten's New band And I don't like His new band I like the Sex Pistols And See, everybody likes The old stuff Yeah I started, Joe I started out It's more punk rock, man I started out Saying to the audience That the Republicans Must die And all the new Hey, wait a minute Left wing people Must take over Speaking of that Aren't you And we have And the Sex Pistols How do you identify Politically, Joe? We're great Are you a Republican? Are you a Democrat? I'm one of those people That like They give you A choice to be neither I'm one of those Oh, okay So you're non-partisan Yeah All right, cool Right, so Anyway I'm a Clydesdale So, Joe The show was awesome And then Johnny Rotten came out Who? He said Johnny Rotten Of the Sex Pistols Okay And he said Oh, and this Blonde woman Is really making this show In his English accent And everything And I always looked up to him As the biggest Star Of the rock and roll Punk movement Of the biggest star He has like a funny accent, huh? Well It's It's comfortable, Vince And, you know He did a great show His band wasn't as good As the Sex Pistols But I kept yelling On the Jimmy Kimmel show Who? The Sex Pistols The Sex Pistols The Sex Pistols Constantly And Greg Greg Gomberg Took me to The Jimmy Kimmel show Who? Greg Gomberg He's a friend of mine He's right outside Right behind you He's a nice friend of mine And And it was such a great thing You know Yes He looks very familiar Oh, yes He's in the Centimeters Greg's In a new band I'm in Centimeters That's a good band, man Called The Hiccups I sing the female version Of I Just Wanna Be Your Dog I also sing The White Rabbit version By the Jefferson Airplane And I also sing 1969 And a few Original punk bands What do you Think about Joe's predicament Where he Actually gets All this hatred From people Because he Took control Of a band That had fallen apart You were in The Vandals, right? Yes Okay He still is It just The band makes it And you got Hatred and hostility Only because People are kind of Inexperienced and ignorant And they don't understand you I do You're very You're very But here I'll tell you what What turned everything And the problem was The Everyone lived with the deal For 15 years Right Everyone was fine And no one would ever Come forward and say Hey, give me a new deal They have too much pride Right But That inland invasion show With the Sex Pistols They build This in the LA Weekly And all these things Is the Vandals Or the Sex Pistols Are headlining The main stage And we were headlining The non-radio stage So we had these It looked like We're in the Sex Pistols Are on tour together The Vandals The Sex Pistols The Vandals The Sex Pistols Wow Then they started Playing our old music Songs that we don't even Play anymore in our set Right Because we went for a long time Where we didn't play Any of those songs Because we just didn't want To even take credit for them Yeah, yeah, yeah And so people are saying I stole these songs We weren't even Playing them live Yeah Because we just didn't want To dissociate ourselves From that whole thing Right And we had our gay Pop punk music That we were very proud of Yeah So we got rid of these That I had to pretend That I didn't like Yeah, exactly So we didn't even Play those songs So it's funny that people Would say I stole these songs That we didn't even play For like, you know, 15 years We didn't play these songs No So, but we're playing This song It looked like we're Playing the Sex Pistols To me it was like Oh, this looks awesome I love it But then they started Playing our old songs That we don't play anymore We do now But at that time We weren't even playing them They started playing them On K-Rock Right And saying Come and see the Sex Pistols God save the Queen And the Vandals Urban Struggle Lady Killer I'm like, you know what I even called This guy Jim Garano Who was friends with The Kevin Weatherly At K-Rock And I said Jim, can you call Kevin And tell him not to put us In those commercials We're very flattered Don't put us in it Because it makes us look like We're trying to trade Off of this old image We don't even play those songs The old guys in the band Are going to get mad And they're going to I just had a feeling Right And they sued us Like right after that Whoa Because they were It just looked It was just too much for them And then all their friends Like, hey man The Vandals are playing With the Sex Pistols Yeah I mean at that point It's like Hey, this was not Supposed to happen Right And were we really Playing the Sex Pistols? No, we're playing On a crappy Non-radio stage Out in the field Where they were Setting fires around us Sex Pistols are playing In the main amphitheater But you know It just looked Like we're rich Yeah And we're doing it all With these old songs Uh-huh And it probably Looked pretty bad Are you rich From the music? From I mean, no I mean, you got like You have a Is there any way To become rich From playing music? Well, I'll tell you You know, I got rich For a while From selling Blink-182 And Atari's records Really? Yeah And I did really well For quite a while Bought a big house In the hills I think that Karen was Inviting herself over to Yeah, yeah And But, you know When the music business Collapsed There was no way To keep it up And sold that house And I live In a modest home In Signal Hill So there was And that's good There was a There was a There was a moment Where I thought I was rich And I go, wow Look at all this Yeah But it was the music business You know And you got Joe, you got Such a good following In fact The last time I saw You know Indie radio advertising Was at the Sunset Junction Where I was an MC hostess For all these weird Bands and stuff And I said all these Political things Against How do you feel Like around weird people, Karen? Like do they freak you out? Well Karen, are you Are you a socialist? Or a communist or something? I'm more like What are you? A left wing You're a communist Justice Justice A jester? Justice Left wing Democrat Democrat You're a Democrat I want, you know Justice I want equality For all For most people For all people And we can't We can't get it For most people Not everybody should have equality I know The Republicans are hard to deal with You know that Yeah Republicans should not have Equal rights They make things difficult for you They make things difficult For all of us And we're always trying To make things Even things out And it's hard to do And the war Is fucking us up Because the money Is costing us so much All for oil All for Because of It's outrageous Some terrorism Where's the outrage? Well It's around And we gotta deal with it And see Indie radio was A big thing At one time And I did A voiceover for you Yeah, you were around That's what I wanted to do That's what I wanted to do That's what I wanted to do That's what I wanted to do You were part of Indie radio I've just Yeah, I called up You were like a fixture In the In the In the Like at the events Yeah And people The phones And people said I was Karen Centerfold She's gonna do this Did you have a relationship With Mark Sovel Shovel? I'm sure I did Yeah I think you did What did you do? Did you give him a blowjob Or a handjob or something? I did something In bed with him At my place At the Gramercy Towers Really? And I I had Been Knocking Weight off To do Adult magazines What did he like to do? Did he like to Make his balls smash? You're too good for that Well, I know I know But see You should do kid magazines Well, no, no, no I wanted to You know Wholesome adult magazines That get couples off That'd be a cool Kids magazine, huh? Karen Centerfold Kids magazine No, no Have you ever seen Shusha? Yeah Shusha? You guys Shusha? Anyone here like Shusha? Yeah, I've seen Shusha? She's a Brazilian Kids show But she looks like Karen Totally hot Uh-huh Big breasts Uh-huh Scandalous outfits But she hosts a kids show Do you want to see Karen's breasts? No Oh, come on I'm not I cannot do any of that Oh, we got Yeah, because you're gonna Become a Supreme Court judge And you gotta That's right Conservative I'm just a Catholic And so am I By the way I'm Catholic Are you Catholic? I go to St. James Where do you go? I go to St. James Where's that? On Wilshire off Manhattan Place Oh, wow And it's awesome You know Where do you go? When do you go? Sundays Sundays The choir will make you feel like You're in heaven Itself And I feel I love this The world show It's in so much trouble We don't want to go to World War with Iran That we don't know what You gotta pray That's a Catholic church Are you sure that's not Episcopal church? It's Episcopalian church See, I knew it Didn't I tell you? But I'm Catholic Okay But you go to St. James Yeah Right Because they're a little More liberal They're more liberal We got so much Catholic light I'm a recovering Catholic Well, you might want to start With the Episcopal church With Karen And then you work your way Into the Catholic church You work your way Into my world My world's like Shiite Catholic I know, I know It's gnarly So are you hardcore Catholic? I mean, you were talking about That you gave up beer for Lent, right? Yeah Yeah But that's not hardcore I know atheists That give up worse for Lent Yeah And Joe, listen K-Rock radio is a Horrible station Let's talk about K-Rock Oh, let's not I mean, like Let me tell you It's a prejudice station It's their prejudice I haven't heard that word In a long time Indie 103 was way better Than K-Rock radio Prejudice Indie's cool Indie's cool Skid Row's cool Monster radio's cool What do you think about What about KFWB News 98? I don't know it But you can introduce me to it After the show About KNX News You know what? The Mormons were interviewed On KFWB one time We crashed the doodah parade And we actually opened up the parade And they interviewed us It was cool It's pretty I believe that No, but Joe Escalante Listen K-Rock radio is Vince, can you stop interrupting us? We're talking Oh, I'm sorry Pardon me I'm sorry, Joe No, I'm saying I'm sorry I'm telling Vince To stop interrupting us Oh, I'm sorry Because you and I are talking Oh, right Yeah, we're trying to have A conversation here I don't know what he's doing K-Rock's great Just because Because I'm not sexy With big kids They don't want blacks there Yeah, the K-Rock bus And the blacks are right in the back And stuff like that Yes Yeah They don't want blacks I went to a K-Rock show once And then Jed the Fish Got out a fire hose And just hosed down all the blacks Oh, yeah, he did? Yeah, he did With his big high-powered hoses And he just drove them all Into the He always does that It was terrible He always does that Yeah, he wouldn't let them Eat at the lunch counter What a jerk And then there's The water fountain thing Oh, yeah The water fountain So, like You go to the water fountain Don't get me started You went up to the Playboy Mansion To talk about indie radio I don't go to the Playboy Mansion I think you should I'll bring you there I'll bring you there My religion forbids it Oh, it does? Okay All right And so, since your religion What was your last confession? I'm sorry to interrupt, but You know It was Two That's a good It was two weeks ago Plus a couple days Which I'm glad you brought that up Because Actually No, actually It's three weeks tomorrow Three weeks tomorrow? So, tomorrow When I go I'll go to confession tomorrow And I gotta I gotta tell the guy You can't eat the wafers You can't eat the wafers yet Yeah, I can You can? You're one of those Mexicans That won't go to Won't get communion Because you haven't been to confession I haven't been to church Since I was like 15 years old Or something No, here's how it works You go to confession Right And then As long as you don't commit A mortal sin Like jacking off, right? Is a mortal sin, right? It actually is Then you Then you would Be able to go to confession But But if you But in two and a half weeks I have not committed A mortal sin In two and a half weeks It takes me more Longer than that You know But Yeah, and How do we get it started on this? How would I wanted to ask you about that I mean We had I can answer any Catholic questions We have Well, here's the thing I host a Catholic radio show On EWTN You're not the only Practicing Catholic guest That we have Because last week We had the Browntown Looters on And they were like These like Kind of like Thuggish looking Kind of like Gangster kind of looking dudes And stuff And they were talking about like You know They gave up They gave up Smoking weed for Okay, thank you, Karen You should give Greg A glass of wine Yeah, give Pass out some wine A glass of wine? Yeah Yeah Okay Do you want some of this wine? Because she just Took half the bottle right now Make sure you fill it to the top Yeah Love it No, I'm not a Chianti fan I think I'm fine right here Okay, cool You can have a couple of stuff Karen's got more stuff At her apartment She's great, right? At her apartment later Okay, Karen just walked out But I mean She's great, right? Yeah I mean, she's awesome Where's she been all my life? Totally sexy, right? Yeah No, I mean I know you want to put your face In that cleavage But you're Catholic So you gave that up for Lent You know, so No, I mean She's like an angel Yeah Yeah She's great But so anyway Trust me, I paid for worse I mean, all kidding aside So like what Like what kind of Catholic are you? Are you I don't want to act like I'm better than Karen Right? Because I'm not Me neither Yeah I love I honestly do love her I honestly do love Karen Centervold I'm thinking about her right now Yeah, here she comes All right, cool Maybe she'll flop those puppies out For you to take a gander at But What is this? We'll see I don't want to see them They're perfect right where they're at They're It's subtle It's It's innocent Can we hear you say A word On Kate On Skid Row Radio Say a word? Yes We want to hear you say a word On Skid Row Radio We want to make you We want to bring you back In the spotlight We haven't heard from you In a long time Yeah, where have I been? Daddy Yeah, where have you been, man? You've been in Long Beach I've been in South by Southwest Oh That place? She never should have gone there Texas is a racist state Oh, man We had the worst time in Texas You know what? I know, I know Karen, you're a little bit Closed-minded, I think No, I'm not I'm serious about the Democratic I am serious about the Democratic Left-wing movement You're kind of like a one-trick pony With your left-wing thing Maybe You've got to open up a little bit Maybe I will right now Let me hear We want Be open-minded Skid Row Radio wants to hear you say a word Can you say the word Whore? No Okay, John Jeremy, we will Can you say the word whore? No, that's a terrible word to say Vince, can you say that word? I will say cunt Oh Say the W word for a second Wet cunt No W-H-O-R-E What is this degenerated into? Whore? Yeah, what is this? What are we talking about? I'm going to be doing Because, Karen A new movie You know what? Let's hear about your new movie After we talk about it I want to hear What I want to hear about Yes, Vince Is the fact that Joe is running for L.A. Superior Court judge Are you going to make it, Joe? You think they'll take you? I think they could I'm going to vote for you Well, it's It's going to be hard I'm on the ballot You know You're going to open the thing No one knows who to vote for For judge So there's going to be You know, there'll be four judges there In this little slot And then Does it matter what Like district you live in? No, it's all L.A. County L.A. County And then there'll be three prosecutors And there'll be me Okay So, I don't know You know, maybe people are like Oh, there's only one Mexican in this crowd I'll vote for him Okay Do you know what? I got to be honest Sometimes I will look for the Mexican names I do that I do that If I don't know anything If I don't know anything And then I was in Hernandez I go, you know what, Hernandez? You're getting it Yeah Because you've suffered enough Right In fact In fact, one night I let all Mexico in And not only that But How come I wasn't there? But Like I also Mexican-American I was also in MacArthur Park in 2007 That's where I met you And And Chief Bratton Or I ordered the shooting Of all the Mexicans And I filmed it That's right With beanbags and stuff And That Bratton What a brat Then on May 17th, 2007 I called him a Nazi To his face Like five times You never played beanbags? Like What is that? Cornhole game with the beanbags? He was just having fun Right Hey, so But really, man When I heard that you were running for judge I mean Because I I had been reading about your battles With Variety, right? Right That kind of started it Yeah And it was because The Vandalism The What was the name of that album That you used Kind of like the Variety font Hollywood Potato Chip We did a parody of the Daily Variety logo Uh-huh They sued us in 2004 Right And we gave in And said, okay, fine We'll change it Uh-huh You know, even though we had A First Amendment right to do that Right We changed it Because we couldn't afford to fight them Eight years later They sue us again And Why did they sue you this time? Because they said they saw it on the internet And they don't know how the internet works Like they don't know that Like when someone uploads something to YouTube Right And it says Vandals They think the Vandals must have done that Right Do you think they knew how the internet worked No And they were just like, fuck it I'm just gonna fucking sue them anyway No, they don't know They didn't know Really And then they got too deep into it And then they're like We'll give us money anyway We'll sue you in Delaware And then I had to get Admitted to the bar in Delaware And fight them in Delaware And have it transferred to California So you fought Yeah By yourself, right Yes, yeah, yeah So you fought their team Yeah 900 lawyers The law firm of Fulbright and Jaworski Holy shit And then I won them in Delaware And then we came out here in California And they fought Refiled And then a year and a half later I, you know, went all the way Did every bit of litigation And then the eve of the pre-trial conference They dropped the charges And dismissed the case And gave up And just said, just kidding, we're out of here Wow So that's a victory Just kidding After all that fucking money You spent trying to defend yourself Yeah, no, it was They probably spent close to a million dollars Really? In two years Suing a dumb punk band So anyway How much money did you have to spend? To defend the band? I spent about 800 dollars Oh, really? God, you got ripped off, man Yeah Oh, wow On photocopying and stuff like that You should have had the ACLU help you Well, I did it all myself But what did it cost me? Yeah Probably at least $100,000 In like lost opportunities and lost work I could have been doing for other people Right No big deal I think we should file a lawsuit against them for that I might They're for sale now Oh, really? Yeah, they're like That's called out of business They went out of business And they're like, oh, we're out of business Suing me So I But during that whole time You warned them The last Yeah, I did Last three or four years I've been working as a volunteer judge in L.A. County So if you go to If you get a traffic ticket or small claims Or if you get evicted in Probably like Compton or East L.A. Or Whittier or Bellflower or Downey Or San Pedro Yeah Where I'm usually at You might see me there And I'm the Like the substitute teacher judge Oh, okay I do it I've been doing it for years I don't get paid You're like, court, settle down Yeah Everybody, you know Bailiff, please Yeah So I've got hundreds of hours Put out the gum Hundreds of hours into this But I don't get paid So the only way to get paid Is if I put myself on the ballot And I get elected And then I can get paid for doing what I'm going to vote for you And I had sex with quite a few judges Especially ones in Van Nuys And it was no picnic Wow And you know This is starting to get interesting I knew When you become a judge Will you Do you want to have sex with Karen Centerfold? Oh, come on Let's be cool I know He's married He's married I'm married But, you know Sometimes I would There's that technicality Yeah It doesn't mean I wouldn't want to Yeah You're still human, right? Yeah, I'm human You see a hot bride When you see one, right? Mm-hmm Nice Yeah It doesn't mean I wouldn't want to And everybody's missed you, Joe Like your show and everything I think you Ought to be more in the spotlight With Indie Radio Like it was a big thing During the Sunset Junction days And they did away with the Sunset Junction Because of my dirty mouth Like I went on And I did speeches Against the war And I did speeches Against the war In Iraq, you know Mm-hmm And then Yeah, but everyone in that area They've already heard that stuff They're on board with it They're on board with it You're like preaching to the choir It's now Come down to Irvine The war in Afghanistan And yeah Rick Agnew Who's now a preacher I did 25 recordings with him He's a preacher now? Rick Agnew? Yeah, he marries people Oh, come on now We did 25 recordings Yeah, he does He got a license on the internet Yeah Oh, yeah No, no, no, no No, he does it in a chapel And he's a good punk performer So, yeah Still, you know I'm with you on that And I emceed him at the Redwood And it's like What else have you done? Oh, man Don't get her started Please Don't get her started Continue the litany Please, Joe Don't get her started And Joe Joe, what the fuck are you doing? You got her started We got We have a lot of good things From Indie Radio Mm-hmm Thank you very much Yeah, well, see That's the thing I'm still on Indie Radio And then Fridays I didn't want to get into Adult magazine Karen, you and I Are talking to Advertisements, nudity Or like R-rated movies I did too much You're forced to Towards Indie Radio Karen, you and I Are talking to A professional DJ He is I mean, you have You have I know he's a lawyer You're also an amateur Bullfighter He's also an entertainment lawyer What is that? He's an amateur lawyer Well, I was a I was a bullfighter Uh-huh It's hot in there, huh? It is hot It's hot in there It's hot in there The bullfighter thing is Is like anybody's hobby People have hobbies They do I I Before I started working At Indie I I was really into Bullfighting I'm still into it But I don't I don't practice anymore Because you have to be Really in shape And then when I got into Indie When I was doing The morning show I had to wake up At 4.30 in the morning And then like You can't be like a fat Zombie I can't be a bullfighter then No No You can't You can't Unless you can't No You know what happens Is you get really tired You get really tired And then By the end of it You have to lift up the sword Uh-huh And you have to kill the thing Uh-huh I know you're an animal rights activist So I'm very sorry But you have to kill the bull What is that like to kill him? Do you feel bad about it? Um It's hard If you do it well You feel really good Because that bull lived a long time And he had a great life Compared to the bull How do you know that? Because Do you hang out with the bull Since he was born? Well if the bull was good I know he had a good life Oh okay But if he was crap It means he's dirty And someone abused him Somewhere down the line And stinky Yeah they're all pretty stinky But But Do you eat the bull? You have to hold up that sword The sword is so heavy So you have to be in really good shape Okay And at the end Because at the end Is when it all matters Aren't you scared About being in a bull ring And having it stick you Joe? Yes Well don't do it I am Have you ever got sticked? I do it for the senoritas Karen You know what I would do? I would be in the audience Where I'm wearing red And I would Yes I would make sure The bull doesn't stick you I would wave the red At the bull Thank you And make sure It doesn't kill you Would you throw Would you throw a flower at me? I would throw a flower But Joe Escalante You are important And if I get in trouble For my dirty mouth Politically again And you become a judge I want you to let me Get me off in court Yeah Get her off Because we love you Me amor Carolina Uno bueno So much love I appreciate it What do you do Like what did you do today? Like what did you When you Today's a Thursday I laid my boss And I don't want to talk About it right now Is that a sex term? Is that a sex term? He's Jewish So you work Where do you work? At an immigration office Where's that? Down here downtown? On Wilshire Off Kings And what do you do there? I help You can get us a green card You give me a green card? No I help immigrants Get jobs off Craigslist The immigrants that Have to go back to Mexico That's nice It's a full time job All week long No no Two days a week Two days a week What did you do the other days? It pays cheap And the other days I work on Photo shoots, auditions No no no Photo shoots And Adult magazines And I do the Raw talent rock and roll Live hour On a cable station You know she was doing Cougar movies Cougar porn On TV And I asked them Stupid questions I announce them When they play And the background shots Are psychedelic movies That John Bolton You know what The Vandals I think the one thing The Vandals was missing In the whole career Is that they were not on Karen Sanderfold's Raw talent hour Yeah And I don't do it that much I don't do it that much anymore But I'm still doing it Like three times a year With Adam Papakan Adam Papakan And yeah He's like A new He's another like Hollywood big shot man Just let's not get into That right now you know Easy Easy Karen You want a napkin? I do I don't have one Thank you So We were talking about The lawsuit with Variety And now they're even They're going under right? Yeah We We We definitely I want to take a little bit Of credit for that Because we We bled them For two years They hired an outside You know law firm To sue us for two years And that's got to And you're like Hey I'm a lawyer And we tainted The thing about the lawsuit Is what people listening Could take away from this Is if someone sues you And you know it's ridiculous You get on the internet And you go on YouTube And you do whatever Like you remember this thing Happened a couple years ago Where the guy got his guitar Wrecked on United Airlines And he made a song called United Breaks Guitars A beautiful little Country diddy And they broke his guitar And they wouldn't pay for it It wasn't Alec Baldwin right? No But he made a He made a very Nice song called United Breaks Guitars And it was You know got a million hits On the views on YouTube And then you stole that song too right? Oh yeah Oh yeah I'm making a lot of money Off that thing And then United at the end They ended up Buying him a new guitar And you know kissing his butt Because he Thank you Karen He was You know it just turned Everything around Right And so we Did a little bit of that Right We got on the internet We made these videos on There's a site called Extranormal.com Where you can make these robots Say anything you want You type a script And the robots start talking to each other Yeah We did a lot of those And we ruined them on the internet And now their Their brand is worth A lot less than it used to be So if someone sues you And it's ridiculous Get on the internet And Harm their brand So you Defeated these guys Single handedly And you are taking credit for Making them go belly up Well maybe not so belly up But I want to say that If they're going to sell their Their thing for If they sell their magazine For 25,000 Or 25 million It would have been 30 million Before this lawsuit Because what are you buying? You're buying a brand Yeah What's a brand worth? I don't know let's google it Yeah Oh Meanwhile I never Petty lawsuit Petty lawsuit Yeah So like if you're If you're trying to see What is a brand worth? Oh they spent two years Doing a petty lawsuit And that's all you see When you When you When you When you That's the only thing That catches your eye When you Look up the daily variety On google Yeah They couldn't understand The internet Yeah they didn't Yeah So Fucking idiots I mean I'm 49 I understand the internet Well congratulations For defending The band And I mean you have The last choice I had no choice Congratulations for being On How would Who would Who would turn off Karen's mic? Can we turn it back on For a second Please Because I want to congratulate Maybe because you're Fondling all your little Lady bags Because I want to Congratulate Joe for Doing indie radio Thank you And putting All these bands I put on in venues I put them on I put them on cable Yeah Television They get record deals You can see she does A lot of things She's very busy And she's very important To the music scene Right? You understand And you're I mean you're Joey Scalante And stuff You know but And all due respect So Karen Centerfold Is in the room You're a big credit I'm humbled You're a big credit To the rock and roll Scene And all the young people Are going to Always acknowledge you You know So do you think You really get to be A Supreme Court judge So how's that going Superior Superior Court judge Superior Court judge Superior Court yeah Supreme Court That's the next step Karen Let's not jump too far You know what I can't do I can't be a Supreme Court judge Why not Because of this podcast So I'll just stay I'll just stick with Superior Court judge Superior Court I'm sorry to Fuck it up for you I'm gonna vote for you Think about it Did you really want to Be a Supreme Court judge So I mean honestly Do you want to be In that group No I'm just looking For a A cushy job Where I get to Wear a suit every day Would a podcast like this Help you I mean or injure Your chances At becoming a Superior Court judge No I don't think so I don't think so No You know I've been To court before And I don't think so either Yeah Okay So You know what I get A lot in court I get people like I get a kid wearing A bad religion shirt Yeah Okay here's that There's a circle And a Are you biased When you see a kid With a bad religion shirt Or a Vandal shirt Actually it backfires on me I see I see a kid with a Bad religion shirt A cross And a circle And a line through it And I'm like thinking Why would you wear That shirt to court Yeah You thought like Oh I'm going to be In front of a judge today Let me get You should be wearing A suit The most popular Religion in the world And put a circle around it And a line through it And then just throw myself At the mercy of this guy But he knew Who he was pulling And then he gets me And I go you know what We all love bad religion Yeah Because I told him We all love it But I'm fucking Catholic motherfucker But even that That aside What's wrong with you guy Why would you wear That to court And then after I Just rail on him so bad I had to kind of You know Ego easy on him On his thing Because otherwise It would look like I'm doing it Just because of his t-shirt Yeah I got one guy Comes in with a shirt That says American pimp And it has George Washington on it And I'm like Really that's your court shirt American pimp So they're So a court shirt Is really important Right When you're going to court They should be You know your short They should be wearing a suit You should dress like A cholo on Easter You know You should Right You should have That black shirt With the flames Coming up on the bottom Even with the hat and shit All fucking Pretty fucking pimp and shit You know what I mean They should be wearing a suit They should be honoring Your court Why not I do Because Are you going to be Fairly liberal When you become a judge I'm going to be a communist Oh no you're not Yeah So I'm going to put people In camps And by the time I'm done with this thing There's going to be Like piles of skulls What are your views On like marijuana Should that be legalized Or is it a bullshit Drug that's a problem And do you do marijuana I don't care I don't care What happens Is it a waste of time I don't care What happens with marijuana I think it should be Up to the states though Not the federal government Should we lock people Up for marijuana though If the state wants to Do you want to smoke Some marijuana No I don't Thank you though What if the state Wants to lock somebody Up for marijuana What do you think about that Then they can vote To not do that Or vote to that I think there should be States that are like Tijuana And there should be states That are like Utah It's just like You go to the state And you can't have an abortion You can't do drugs People like it there You can't buy In Utah you can't buy liquor After a mid-night They like it there They can deal with that With their own votes But if the federal government Gets into it Please The federal government I'm not a fan I'm a fan of the contributions Yeah hello Hello We keep shutting off Karen Centerfold You know what Hey you know what We need to play A couple more songs And I want to get back And talk about And we will continue this And wrap this up But we got a couple more songs And we will be back With Joe Escalante And Karen Centerfold On the More Music Radio Pod All right All right Don't take this offensively The More Music Radio Pod Oh Jin Jong-min What did you do? 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All you brothers have never Deceived by You're the children of duty But they can't stop time Let's get away That job of madness and bias Let's get away Let's get away Hi, this is James Quall, and you are listening to the More Music Radio Pod on skidrow.la. Yeah, we are back on the More Music Radio Pod. We only have a few more minutes left, and Karen Centerfold is trying to get a few more minutes, and I still want to talk to Joe about... You're running for... I mean, I'm sorry, Joe. You only got to understand. Karen Centerfold is a very famous and sexy star. So when she enters a building... I know. I know you are in the Vandals, bass players for the Vandal. Yeah. You are... You are a lawyer. You defended the band and the record company... Exactly, exactly. ...against Reed Elsever... This is like a media corporate giant, right? Yes, you did. You are running for... 30,000 employees. ...the superior court and stuff, but even though you've done all this stuff... And I'm going to vote for you, Joe. You also make movies, too. Well, I mean... That's where we met. The Mormons played a special thing for Cake Boy, right? There was a special presentation to Cake Boy. Right. That's where we met. So you're a movie maker. Also... I mean, well, I owned a record label. I had to make some movies during the record... Kung Fu Records. Everybody's shout-outs are Kung Fu Records. Right, man. Right. Right. And... It's all a job. You have a job. So what was your final question? Well, I want to know about what's going on with this L.A. Superior Court thing, man. When are we going to have to vote for this? What's going on? June 5th. You get your ballot. And I'll vote for you. Are you running against anybody? Yeah, there's like three prosecutors that I'm running against. And usually the prosecutors win in these elections... Uh-huh. ...because people... Uh-huh. People read the ballot and they say, oh, a prosecutor. He's going to save me from the bad guys. And, Cho, I'm going to vote for you. So it'll be hard. I am going to vote for you. But I'm the only Mexican on the ballot. I think I got that going for me. And what a Mexican. You know what? You got it going for you because I see that name and I'm going to fucking push that little ink blotter. And what a Mexican you are. And, Cho... Thank you. And, Cho, I want to... You're kind of a little hot tamale over here, aren't you? I want to tell you... I want to tell you that I met Iggy Pop and he was awesome. I met him in San Francisco... Where did you come from? And he was good in a bathroom and he was good on stage at Bimbo's. Did you have sex with him, Karen? Sort of. I'll talk about that in my book. Did you give him a blowjob? I did. I saw him once at the Rite Aid on Sunset and Fairfax. And I saw him from behind and I thought it was a hot chick. I know, but he didn't need no... And then when he turns around, it's like... He has nice hair. He has a lot of pantene. He didn't need any Viagra, I'll tell you that much. He didn't? It has like the protein that helps the hair... Yeah. I also... I also... You look nice from behind. I also got managed by Kim Fowley. I love him. He managed you? Yeah, he did. What did he manage to do? He put me on at the knitting factory in a rock and roll show. And, you know, Rodney Binghamheimer of K-Rock Radio? He's the enemy. I like him. Oh, no. He's the enemy of the rock and roll scene because... Oh, I don't... I disagree. He hates black people. He doesn't want them coming up and bringing their music up there. Whoa, whoa, whoa. So now there's... There's something wrong with that? No, I'm just kidding. No, of course there's something wrong with that. I just think it's a little scandalous to say. That's a generalization about Rodney. It's true. It's true. He's prejudiced against black people. He seems like a nice gentleman. Yeah, I don't agree with that. And he's not beautiful. He takes it out on people who are. I think he hurt Karen Centerfold's feelings. I think Rodney's very beautiful. He hated Dusty Street, who was the biggest star on K-Rock Radio. You know what, though? But he liked Dusty's Treehouse, which was a good children's program that I used to watch on Sunday. He hated Dusty Street because he's a lesbian. And he did a song about... Did you just pedophile? Did you just out her? Oh, no. I love Dusty Street. I love lesbians. And he did a song... Are you a lesbian? No, I'm bisexual. But he hated... Her face smells sometimes. How did I know that? Wow. Wow. And Rodney Binghamheimer hates... Totally... I just got that. Totally hates... So, Joe, you are L.A. Superior Court judge. Oh, we don't have to talk about that anymore. You made it. No, no, no. Let's say you made it, okay? Karen Centerfold is in front of you. She is in front of you now. Yeah. She has been arrested for exposing her breasts... Oh, I'm sorry. ...to the world. Yeah, totally. She is at your mercy. Okay, let's... Okay, Karen Centerfold, what do you have to say for yourself? Judge Escalante is listening. Judge Escalante, I think you ought to let me off any charge there is, and I will expose my tits for you right now. No, don't do it. On camera, will you let me off? No, I think you look cute with your outfit. You don't need your... Oh, thank you, Judge. Thank you, Judge. Thank you, Judge. Thank you, Judge. Thank you, Judge. Thank you, Judge. Thank you, Judge. Thank you, Judge. Very subtle. And so I want to tell you who the leader of the rock and roll scene is, and I think you know... Rodney Binghamer? No. Karen always breaks the mics when she comes into Skid Row Studios. The leader of the rock and roll scene is my friend Don Bulls. You don't have to hold on to the mic like it's a big hard cock. Yeah, why do you touch the mic? Because, like, it's moving around incorrectly. It's not in front of my mouth, which is what a dick should be, you know. And totally, you know, it's like Don Bulls... I think you just offended Joe Escalante right now. No, I didn't. Judge Joe Escalante. Are you offended, Judge Joe Escalante? Yes. Oh, why? What would you sentence her to for this outburst in court? Your bad words. Oh, what bad words? Your references to genitalia. Oh, no, I don't think so. We don't talk like that in superior court. Your honor, Joe. Your honor, Escalante. Throw yourself on the mercy of the court, Karen. Vince and I would like to hear you say the word whore. It's not going to happen. Oh, why not? That's not his style. You know what I mean? Oh, I didn't know that. Okay, well, anyway, like... How about you say the N-word? How about that? I can't do that because I love black people too much. Ask Rodney Binghamheimer to say that. Rodney Binghamheimer is prejudiced. Rodney Binghamheimer of K-Rock Radio is prejudiced. And Rod... And K-Rock Radio is a prejudiced station. This is a good station. Indie is a good station. This is a good station, Joe. But K-Rock Radio is a prejudiced station. Prejudiced against good music, maybe. No, prejudiced is not prejudiced. K-Rock Radio is prejudiced against black people. K-Rock Radio is prejudiced against Dusty Street and lesbians. K-Rock Radio is black and Mexican. And beautiful. And I love it. Karen, why all the propaganda? It's important. Why? Why? Because being politically... That's not a discussion. Being politically correct is important. No, that's not a discussion, though. You're just blurting out propaganda. No, it's a statement of fact. I can prove that Rodney Binghamheimer is prejudiced. But the things you're doing, you're saying are inflammatory. I have tapes of it. No, no, no. I have tapes. I have tapes of Rodney Binghamheimer saying, oh, ha, ha, ha, ha. Yeah, by one sense or two. We don't do... Wait a minute. We don't do... He's not here to defend himself. Don't you feel bad about that? Fine, I'll bring him here to defend himself. Okay, bring him on. Bring him on. Oh, maybe we've... Yeah, maybe that's a good idea. The air is open. In other words, in other words, in other words, he said... I think Rodney would be impressed with Skid Row Studios. What do you think, Joe? Wait a minute, Joe. Wait a minute, Vince. It's better than this studio place. Rodney Binghamheimer, wait a minute. They don't let him in the regular K-Rod. Wait a second, Joe, Joe, Joe. Rodney said, ha, ha, ha, ha. Oh, we heard this. We don't do black music here. Yeah, we heard this. You can change it. We don't do black music here. All right, Karen, okay. You know? Now you're just spewing propaganda, Karen. Come on. Oh, it's not propaganda. It's a statement of fact. I've got the tape, Joe. We're going to have to... He's not here to defend himself. You know what? Let's call the bailiff. Fine, let's bring him here. Joe, can you please instruct the bailiff to take Karen Centerfold and please lock her up for contempt of court. Oh, no. I hope you... Yeah, I hope you... Have you ever had to use that power of contempt of court? No, because I'm just a volunteer judge, and they tell you, number one, never hold anyone in contempt because it'll be a paperwork nightmare. Oh, okay. Oh, exactly, exactly. So you have to fill out a stack of paperwork when you hold somebody in contempt? And a temporary judge should never do it. Oh, okay. Because you're not... When you... You're not even supposed to be there. And I'm saying when, because I think you're going to do good on this one, man. Thank you. And we here at the More Music Radio Pod are going to endorse you for a judge. I got an endorsement. I'm going to put it on my website. Right away. Right away. Skid Row Radio. We will do... And I think... We'll do a commercial. You want to do a commercial? We'll play it for you. I think we'll let us go. Karen Centerfold. Right, right. And you'll let a lot of left-wing people go. Okay, Karen, let's do a commercial real quick for Judge Joe Escalante. He's running for judge. All right. All right. Go for it. Karen Centerfold's commercial for you, Joe. Thank you. Good. Let's hear it. I want all of you people to vote for Mr. Joe Escalante as Superior Court Judge of Los Angeles because he believes in being left-wing and just for the Democratic people of Southern California and America. All right. Yeah. Right. Based on that, I'm going to vote this time. And he is originally... Originally a DJ and producer of Indie Radio Los Angeles, California. And so all the young people that are listening right now, I, Karen Centerfold, of all the rock and roll clubs and the rock and roll scene and the rock and roll record production company hereby say vote for Mr. Joe Escalante of Indie Radio as a Superior Court Judge here in Los Angeles. This commercial is going to cost a lot of money to air, Karen. It's very long. And we are going to pay that to elect and erect Joe Escalante of Indie Radio. And you know about erecting things, right? You can make things erect. I do. And you ought to know. You've seen some of those shitty movies of me, you know? I call them shitty, but you get off on them, you know? And that does make a difference. And may I please ask... May I ask your view on erotic movies that help young men get off and go home to their wife happy, Joe? Masturbation is a sin, Karen. Right. It might be a sin, but at least it gets a lot of guys off and they go home to their wife happy. Because you're Catholic, right? Yes. Okay, so do you masturbate? No. Because it's a sin? Haven't for years. You're fucking lying to me, aren't you? It's not a sin. Joe Escalante is lying to me right now. I'll tell you when. When was the last time you masturbated? Have you ever masturbated? About four years ago. Four years ago. Really? The secret to a good marriage is not to masturbate. And just to shove it in. And to only think of your wife. Oh, okay. Because when you're masturbating, you're always thinking of someone else. You can jack off to your wife, right? It's cool. Let's all be real. It doesn't happen. What if it's masturbation when you're thinking about your wife or your spouse or whoever you care about? What is it? It's a sin. It's a sin. It's not. You know what, Joe? That's why I'm no longer practicing Catholic because, I mean, I would just be going to hell 20 times over. Are you married? No, I'm not. Not yet. Okay. When you get married, you'll understand. I'd never take that off the table. Really? Really? But what's happening? I believe that you do masturbate. I believe that. All these people that make these Bibles. I used to. All these people that make these Bibles, Joe, they make you feel guilty about stuff. And it's not. You don't want to feel guilty about it. You got like a technique. You want to do it. You want to do things. That's good. That's some style. You want to do things. Like a twist. Oh, Joe. Joe. Vince. You want to do things that are liberal. Did you use lubrication? No. Or just do it dry? It was mostly dry. Mm-hmm. When you did masturbate, did you shoot into a napkin or just all over the place on your chest, everywhere? On a whim. Whatever, you know, whatever my experience carried me. Whatever you're feeling. Yeah. Yeah. But it was all a sin. Cool. If you weren't married, would you masturbate all over Karen Centerfold's breasts? No. No. I would ask her to marry me. First. That's a good man. That's a good man. Marriage first. I'd make an honest woman of her. Marriage first. First. First. First. First. First. First. First. First. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. And would you give me a million dollars or half a million for that if I did it, Joe? Oh, not if you did it. You would have that anyways even if you didn't do it. Even if you refused to do it. Do you love me? Yes. You love Karen Centerfold? I love you. No. I love you, Karen Centerfold. I love you, Karen Centerfold. Oh, you better. Yes. After what I'm doing for you and I believe in you, you better get me off in a court, meaning that if I get busted, if I get arrested for calling a president a child pornographer like I did George Bush for taking our troops- Here comes the propaganda again. To Iraq. Wow. This is all Al-Qaeda approved radio right now from this point forward. And dying. And dying to make oil barons rich. Now, how much Al-Qaeda pay you for this? He didn't, man. I am on the left wing side- Yes, he did. Al-Qaeda paid you. I know he did. There's no more Al-Qaeda. There's no more Al-Qaeda. Because we killed bin Laden. He did. Oh, we fucking did not. I'm pretty sure he did. Oh, you gotta be kidding. He did. He did. Oh, we did not. How much did Al-Qaeda pay you? Oh, Al-Qaeda didn't, Joe. You're an operative. Oh, he didn't. He did too. Oh, Joe, he didn't. Oh, come on. You hit a nerve, man. Oh, Joe. Oh, come on. You could do better than that. Really? Really? No. The war has costed us over $390 billion and it's no joke at all. That's nothing. That's nothing. I have that in my pocket right now. We have to fear. Yawn. Yawn. Look. Yawn. We gotta fear terrorism. Oh, come on, Joe. It is no boring thing. If you have a son or a daughter who has gotten killed or injured in the war and come back Hey, Joe, wake up. The show's not over yet. Joe, wake up. Oh, yeah. It's over. Okay. Well, what do you want, Joe? What do you want? I mean, really? Really? Oh, come on, Joe. You could do better than that. Well, you know what, Karen? What? Maybe we were not going to be able to get down to the bottom of it. On this episode of the More Music Radio Pod. But we'll do it again. But I do want to thank Joe Escalante for coming in and talking to us. Joe Escalante. And I knew this was going to happen because when you have a star like Karen Sandoval come in, she will absorb the spotlight. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Joe, you really got spotlight more than I did. And as like a radio person, you recognize a star. And I saw that you were kind of like wanting to interview her and stuff, you know. I'm fascinated by her. I kind of backed off and let you interview. It's fascinating, isn't it? Oh, yeah. It is. You're still doing radio, right? Where can we hear you at? KTLK, LA. K-Talk. Sunday nights. And that's with Phil Hendry. That's your buddy, right? Yeah, Phil Hendry. And you want me to come on, Joe? Yes. All right. Okay. And when is it? You know what? I have to fill up two hours. Actually, it's not a bad idea. Come on. Any Sunday you want. No, when is it? Sunday night. What time to what time? Five to seven. Cool. You got it. I'll come on. KTLK, Burbank. Olive Street. The KFI Clear Channel Studios. Phil Hendry. You actually funded Phil Hendry's, one of Phil Hendry's CDs, right? Five of them. I'm a big Phil Hendry fan, man. Is that the same station as K-Rock Radio? KFI. He gave you a nice shout out one day. He thanked Joe Escalante, Kung Fu Records for making it happen. And I was listening and I was like, oh my God, like Phil is so fucking cool, man. That made him that much cooler, man. That made me feel good, too. Yeah. And you know what? And it did go to a good cause, too, man. My friend's place over on, I think it's on Hollywood. Hollywood, right? Yeah, Hollywood and Bronson, something like that. That's probably where my girlfriend lives, so. Anyway, man. I wanted to, we're, the show's over. I hope you're not masturbating, then. No, I'm not masturbating right now, but you know, we'll see what happens. I shave my hands, my palms. Oh, okay. I do wax. Well, hey, thanks again, Joe. I really appreciate it. And I'll be looking for your name on the ballot. Thank you. And I hope you make it to LA Superior Court Judge. Did we out-talk the song again, Jeremy? Yeah, you did. All right, I love you, too. Every time we out-talk this song. Vince, tell me you love me. I love you, Karen. Karen Centerfold. Karen Centerfold. I love you, Karen Centerfold. All right. And I love you, Joe Escalante, even though some people think it's. I love you, Jeremy. I love you, Jeremy. I love you, Jeremy of Skid Row Radio. Sonya already went home, too. Happy birthday to Sonya. Everybody's gone. And happy birthday to Karen Centerfold on March 13th. Yeah. Hey, oh, yeah, shit. Your birthday already passed, huh? Right. How old are you, Karen? 38. You fuck. See you later. Oh, you're beautiful. Peace. All right. I hope you're. Oh, man, that's weird. You know, I like to end with the song and stuff, you know, but when it plays out, I mean, sometimes this happens, you know what I mean? I like her Flintstones era VHS camera, too. It's really, I love it. Well, hey, Joe. Hey, thanks a lot, man. I really appreciate you coming on the More Music Radio Pod. Please come back. I will be listening to you. Where can people listen to you again? That's K-Talk, right? K-T-O-K on Sunday nights. After. Indie 103.1 on Fridays. When you become judge, will you come back on the More Music Radio Pod and talk to us or is it going to be a problem? Oh, no, that'll be. I can do whatever I want at that point. Cool. All right. Then we can then Karen can go get cut loose. Right now, we got to be a little careful, right? Well, thank you, Joe. I really appreciate it. I knew this was going to happen. Karen Centerfold and. Hey, what is in the photo of us? Oh, we'll take a photo afterwards. I want to thank everybody for listening to the More Music. Are you sitting down right now? You should take a photo now. Well, we're still doing the show, Karen, believe it or not. Yeah. We did go over like 15 minutes because Karen Centerfold was in the studio. Jeremy, come in the studio. What is your honest opinion of Karen Centerfold? You are witnessing now. Have you ever witnessed Karen Centerfold on a radio show? I've seen her at the Indie 103.1 events. Yes. I'm a fan. Kind of fan. This is an American treasure here. Exactly, right? Yeah. You're thinking the same thing. I'm thinking. Yeah. All right, man. Well, hey, thanks again, Joe. I really appreciate it. And we'll talk to you soon, man. I'm going to vote for you. Everybody vote for Joe Escalante as LA Superior Court Judge. Hold on, Vince. And thank you, Karen Centerfold, for coming to the More Music Radio Pod and being on our radio show. All right. I'm going to. I'm going to.