Welcome to Time Out with Coach Mike Miller. Coach Miller is the basketball coach with the most wins in LACC history, coaching his teams to a national record of 14 straight conference championships, breaking UCLA's old record of 13. Coach Miller is the first basketball coach in California basketball history to win a state championship at both the high school and college levels. Coach Miller has been honored as Coach of the Year 18 times and has produced almost 100 Division I players. For the next two hours, get ready for stats, facts, rants, and your opportunity to chat with one of the most successful basketball coaches in the entire country and his friends. Time Out with Coach Mike Miller. Hey there. Welcome. Welcome back. We're here. It's a week later, but we are back on the air. We are at Skid Row Studios, and this is Time Out with Coach Miller. Hey, Chris. It's good to see you. You've been gone a month. Yeah. The last time I was here, the high school season hadn't ended yet. We were still in the middle of March Madness, and now it's a month later. Yeah. And then March Madness has come and gone, and I feel kind of this big letdown because, as you know, Chris, although I did spend a year with the Lakers, Phil's last year there, I'm not really an NBA guy. I never have been. And I'm not now. You're not now? No. Why is that? I guess over outside of the Lakers because I'm a diehard Laker fan, but it's just after that, it's just to me the professional game is just horrible now. Yeah, it is horrible. I mean, you know, they run five. They run three plays the whole game, you know, pick and roll either side, isos for one person. I mean, it's just you're looking at the same thing for every team, every game. You know, you make a good point, and what's interesting is they'll trade a guy in the middle of the year, and he'll play the first game that he's with the new team in the NBA. It's like, how could that be? That can never happen in college or high school. Right. I mean, you'd have to at least. You'd have to at least learn the offense, right? Or a couple of plays. Well, you would think that you would learn the offense, but I mean, nowadays, there's no offense to learn. Well, that's your point is that nowadays, there's no offense to learn. So, but anyway, the NBA, frankly, is boring. The Lakers are trash, and I don't see them getting any better under the current stewardship and, shall I say, ownership of the team. Jerry Buss must be. Spinning around in his grave. Well, he, he let his, I don't know, he let his son and his daughter, they're supposed to work together. They're not working together. The son has, the prodigal son has taken over, and I don't know. I mean, everybody says they see where they have a plan going on or whatever, but. What plan? I don't see a plan. They see it. I mean, maybe, you know, maybe it's not for us to see. Maybe it's just to sit back and watch, but, you know. Yeah, well, you're a Laker fan, and you don't see any plan, do you? Well, I see a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel. What's that? And it's a faint glimmer, but it's a glimmer. I think we needed to be bad this year. You know, middle of the road, making the playoffs and being the eighth seed and losing in the first round wasn't going to be good for us. So, you know, in the NBA, you either got to be. Really good or really bad. There's no middle road. Middle teams don't get better. Yeah, well, the Lakers weren't even in the middle. They were really bad. I mean, did you see how many points they gave up? Well, they, I mean, they played no defense, and, you know, that's D'Antoni's style is, you know, I think I'm going to outscore you. You look at people like Paul Westhead, that was his philosophy, but his teams play defense. So, but the lottery coming up, you know. If they can get a good player in the lottery, if they can get like a top three or four pick, you know, maybe they could do something. Yeah, but Chris, let's be honest. These guys are young. Very few of the young guys come into the league and actually turn things around. Now, the young guard at Portland did from Weber State. Right. Lillard? Damian Lillard. Yeah, I mean, he did. But you can't really name. In the last year or two, a young player that's come into the league and really just like kind of turned things around for his team. No, and in the Lakers situation, he really won't be counted on. I mean, you still have Kobe there. Unfortunately, you still have Nash there. Oh, my God. Yeah. He's horrible. I think they're going to, I think they're going to ride out Kobe, and they're going to try to, I mean, do what they've always done, which is to make a splash in the free agency. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Other than that, they can get Kevin Love or, I mean, I think this year is a wash. I don't think they're going to get any of the guys that are going to opt out like LeBron or whoever else. Nor do I want, well, you know, of course you would want LeBron, but like, you know, they're talking about Carmelo Anthony. I'd seriously consider my Laker fandom if they got Carmelo Anthony. Right. I got you. Well, you know what? We're going to have to talk more about this later. But what I do want to say to kind of wrap things up on this topic is even if the Lakers got a top three or four pick in the first round. I'm not sure. You know, you're talking about probably Wiggins and Parker, right, of the top two of the top three or four players. Those guys are not ready to come in the NBA and really do a lot to help a team. Well, like I said, I don't see this as a one-year turnaround. Like, I don't see them turning this around within a year. It's going to be like a two or three, maybe four-year project. And I can roll with that, you know what I mean? But you have to see some type of progression. After this year, you have to see some type of progression. I mean, I just read an article earlier tonight where they said D'Antonio's going to come back, which kind of makes sense because you're not going to be good next year either. You know what I mean? So let him take the L's and then fire him at the end of the year. Yeah, and then, you know, see what's going to happen with the draft this year and, you know, come back next year. And, you know. You know, see where Kobe's at after all these injuries. See if he can come back. I mean, I think these injuries are kind of good for him in a way because he's played so much basketball over the years that, you know, it's basically he's got a year rest, a year and a half rest. So, you know, see where he can come back next year. And like I said, it's not going to be a one-year deal. It's going to take about two, three, four years. So whoever they get in a draft this year, if they can get somebody good, they're not going to be. They're facing a franchise anyway. You know what I mean? So they'll have time to progress over the next couple of years to see where they're going to be. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Well, listen, let's get to our business here at hand. First of all, before we get started, Chris, I like to always introduce everybody. We've got Scott here in the sound booth. And, Scott, welcome back. You're still training, right? Yes, sir. Okay, well, you're doing a good job training. I like it. And I've got Jeremy here. Jeremy? Hey. Hey, have you heard anything from that crazy caller, Nurse Barb? Not yet, but, you know, the night is young, so we'll see what happens. Okay, well, keep me informed and keep her off the air if you don't mind. I will. Okay, beautiful. And I've got my main guy over here, Chris Maxwell. Chris was my favorite former power forward who held down the paint for a couple of years back in the day, Chris. Yeah, about 23 years ago. Is that how long it was? Yeah, yeah. It's like a lifetime, isn't it? It seems like it. No, I'm not going to ask you how old you are, but I know 23 years is over half your life, right? Yeah. Yeah, okay. A little over half. Okay, well, so it's a long time. Yeah. Okay, so, and it's good to have you back on the show. Thank you, thank you. You took a little vacation. Yeah, I have a couple other jobs, and one of them kind of needed me for a while, so I... I took a couple weeks off, but now I'm back, and... You took a little vacation time from time out with Coach Miller and Skid Row Studios, and it's good to have you back. Thank you. So, hey, I'm excited. We've got a great guest who's on the air with us now, and we're going to bring him on, and this is Coach Jody King from Hostos College, which is in New York City. Let me see if Coach King is there. Coach King, are you there? Yes, I am. Good evening, gentlemen. Oh, excellent to have you on the air, and I'm excited because, Coach King, you guys had a great season this year. Yeah, tell us about it. Well, first of all, Coach Miller, I heard you guys talking about the Los Angeles Lakers, and this is the first time ever I think the New York general population was rooting for the Nets. Go figure that. In April, every New Yorker was rooting for the Brooklyn Nets tonight, not the New York Knicks. Go figure that one out. Wow, and they are the Brooklyn Nets. Last time I saw you in New York City, I think we talked about going to a Nets game, but they were in New Jersey, right? They were in New Jersey at the time, playing at the Izod Center, and now they're at the Barclays Center in the heart of Brooklyn, and I don't know too many people that were not there tonight. So how about that? In New York City, the main attraction is the Brooklyn Nets and not the Phil Jackson-led New York Knicks. Now, have you been to that new Barclays Center? Oh, it's beautiful. Is it? It's absolutely beautiful, yeah. I can imagine. Yeah, it's beautiful. It's very dark. It's like a club. I guess that's how Jay-Z wanted it to be, but the sight lines are excellent. It's got that vibrant electric crowd to it when the place is packed, and, I mean, it was rocking tonight. It's a great night to see the Nets win tonight. Now, was that on the old site of Evans Field or right adjacent to it or something like that? That's on the side of the Atlantic Yards. Okay. So pretty much when you come over the Brooklyn Bridge, it's pretty close to Westinghouse High School Junior's Cheesecake, which a lot of people love to go to Junior's for their cheesecake. I've heard about it. Hey, Coach King, you and I have been to Junior's before to eat. What? A late-night dinner and have some cheesecake. Yes, we have. Yes, we have. Those were the good old days. Yeah, they were. Now, there's more than one Junior's. Is there two of them now or one? Oh, well, there's quite a few. It's branched out quite a bit. But the main Junior's is still obviously the one in Brooklyn. They have one in Times Square and a couple of different outlet ones throughout the city. Wasn't the one we used to go to the one, it was near LIU? Yep. The one in Brooklyn. Yeah, that's what I thought. That's what I thought. Interesting. So go ahead. Tell us about, go back to your story. Well, first of all, I'm just honored to be on the show. And Coach Miller, you know, I know everyone knows, but you're a legend in this business and really a coaching icon. And I'm just honored to have the opportunity to share the airwaves with you. So thank you for having us on. And we had a great year this year. Hostess Community College, 26 of 5. Finished ranked seventh in the country in NJCA, National Junior College polls. And we won the CUNY Championship. And we happened to lose in the semifinals of the region to Sullivan Community College. But it was just a great run. And most wins in school history going back to when Hostess won the National Championship in 2004-05. And we wound up with Tyree White getting second team All-American last week. So we're very happy with that. Myself, it was my second Coach of the Year award. And I'm in the CUNY. No India close to, I think, your 18 straight Coach of the Year awards. But I'm at two. Let's see if we can keep that going. I think it was 18 out of 19. I don't think it was 18 straight. I think I had one bump in the road there or somewhere along the way. But it was a good run, 18 out of 19. And I appreciate you acknowledging that. It makes me feel good to remember the good old days. Well, you guys can see Coach is humbled because it's not 18 in a row. It's just 18 out of 19. Yeah, yeah. We had some great players like Chris Maxwell was one of them. And we had some great assistant coaches helping me along that path. And I'm excited because, you know, you've just turned this whole thing around at Hostos Community College. And I remember a couple years back when you were the head coach at Maritime College. Maritime College. Chris, Maritime is, I'm going to let Coach King tell it, but it was right on the ocean. And I visited his campus there when he was the head coach. They were Division III. Division III, for our listeners, means they don't have basketball scholarships. But Coach King got the job there, I think it was the 07-08 year. Is that right, Coach? Correct. And you went in there and you almost had a winning record your first year. And then your second year, you nudged it up a little bit over 500. And your third year, you almost won 20 games. You were 19-8. Yep. And that was the most wins in school history, right? Correct. And it was, Chris, Maritime College, it was kind of like, I think it was the Merchant Marine. Is that what it was, Coach? Well, there's a couple different schools. You have the Merchant Marine Academy. Which in New York City is known as King's Point. And then you have Maritime, which is City Maritime. And that's for the Merchant Marines itself, but it's not the Merchant Marine Academy. Okay. But when you were there, because I went and visited your campus once, it was right on the ocean, and I think that there were some, weren't the students involved with going on the ocean and boats and stuff? And wasn't it some sort of training for, you know, going out into the Merchant Marine or the Coast Guard or some such thing? Coach, you're absolutely correct. It was a school funded by the State of New York. So it was a SUNY school, State University of New York. And it was at Maritime College. Maritime College is located in the frog's neck section of the Bronx. For those that don't know, the Bronx is one. It's one of the boroughs of New York City. And it was actually located right under the frog's neck bridge. And the frog's neck bridge connected you from Long Island to the Bronx. So it was a conduit to get in and out of New York City. And we had this beautiful college on the water right under this bridge. And it was a place where, it was a place where young men and women could come and get a degree and work towards the field of Merchant Marine. And really get their degree, whether it be business or license or a license on the ship or so forth and so on. And you had either cadets or you had non-cadets that were in uniform or not in uniform that participated going to the school. It was a great, great experience, especially as a first-time coach. It was just a great learning experience in terms of being at something completely unique and something different and realizing that, that every college is not run on basketball. Right. Now, were all of your players part of that same program where they would learn to go on the boats and sail? Or was that sort of optional? It was optional. It depended upon each recruit and what they wanted to do. For example, Giovanni Hurley, who was a non-regiment student, they basically, they were referred to as regiment or non-regiment. And Giovanni Hurley, he was a non-regiment student and he graduated from Hostos, so he's now a supervisor at Con Ed, which is a major business and company here in New York City. So right out of college, he got an excellent job and I'm very happy for him. And then you have a regiment student like Tim Daugherty, who worked six months on a ship and then trains the other six months and he fights in the Golden Gloves here in New York City and he's fought the last two years in the heavyweight championship, a fight for the Golden Gloves. So a lot of avenues, a lot of different things you can do in the regiment and non-regiment for Marathon College. Yeah, interesting. So it was kind of a neat college. You were there for three years and then you, for the one season after you left, what did you do before you went to Hostos? Coach, I did what you're doing now. I did a lot of radio and TV broadcasting. Okay. And a lot of TV. was great to have me on and do a lot of local broadcasts for NCAA Division III College Basketball, as well as the NCAA Division III College Basketball Tournament that was sponsored by Turner Sports. That's when Turner Sports had gotten the contract. So they contracted us all out to do the tournament. And it was just as much as you love doing what you're doing right now, I love being behind that microphone and really sharing the game of basketball with everybody. Go ahead, Chris. Oh, no, I was going to ask. Well, you had answered my question. I was going to ask how'd you like doing that, but it seems like you liked it a lot. Oh, it was great. I can scream and yell at everyone and not get a technical. Typical New Yorker there, Chris. That's the typical New York attitude. I think that's the typical coach. So Coach King then went to Hostos Community College, where you are. And you've just completed your third year there. And your first year, again, almost won 20 games. Your second year, you went over 20 wins. You went 23-7. And I think you won the regular season conference championship, right? Correct. And the tournament, too. The conference tournament, right? This year we did. Oh, you did. Your second year, you won the conference tournament. Your second year, you won the conference tournament. You won, what then, the regular season title? We won the regular season title, correct. Gotcha. And then this year, your third year, you won the regular season title again. Yes. And the conference tournament as well. Yes. Okay. Now, how many teams are in the conference? There's six teams in the conference. We added a team this year, LaGuardia Community College. So you have six teams, so you play everybody twice. So that means you played 10 conferences. You played 10 conference games this year. Correct. Okay. And you have a kind of a remarkable record, Chris. He has, over a three-year period of time, you've got this conference win streak, right, Coach? Correct. And that's what? How many games? We added LaGuardia Community College this year, so we played 10 conference games. But the previous two years, we played eight. And we have a 21-game win streak heading into next season. Gotcha. So that means, Chris, they won their last three conference games his first year. Then they won eight his second year, won eight-and-oh, and then this year went 10-and-oh. That's the 21 in a row. That sounds like my high school career in our league. Yeah. Because I only lost, we only lost like three games in my whole high school career in our league. But, Chris, Coach is being humbled because I learned it from all the years of watching him at L.A. City College. And winning 10 conference championships in a row, you know, this is my pedigree. This is where I learned how to do it. So we're only starting to scratch the surface. Okay, so you've got a couple more years to go to catch him. Wherever we are, that's the goal, just to win as many as we can. Game by game. Yep. Well, we had a great run at L.A. City College, and Coach King used to come out, Chris, a couple of times, a couple of different times he'd come out from New York and sit in the audience. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He'd sit in the old gym, the old men's gym, as Scott used to call it, the Y-nasium, and watch games. I remember it well. Yeah, he'd come and watch pregame shoot around and watch, you know, our game day walkthroughs and stuff, and he'd come out, and it was really good to have him. And he enjoyed watching us play. In fact, Coach King, I remember one time you came out, and I think that same game, we had Frankie Allen in, who was an old friend of mine, who was the head coach at Howard University at the time. Yes. And Frankie was just let go. He was at Maryland Eastern Shore, I think, and he was just let go. He'd been there for four or five years. He was just let go as the head coach at the end of the season. So, yeah, we go back a ways, Coach King. And, you know, I have to tell you, there is, Chris, rumor going around that, and I'm going to see if I can pull it up. It's actually on the internet, so I'm not going to, you know. Start anything that's not already out there. Yeah, I mean, Coach King, I wouldn't say this, but I read somewhere, I wouldn't put you on the spot, but I read somewhere that I'm trying to find it so that, here it is. It's on Hoopla. Hoopla.com. I'm going to read it, Chris. Two separate sources have told me that the Mercy New York job has been offered to Dr. Jody King. Now, Coach King is also a doctor. PhD. So, yeah, I sometimes call him when I want to tease him, Dr. Coach King. But it says here that the Mercy New York job has been offered to Dr. Jody King. He is currently the head coach at Hostess, New York College, and has been an assistant at a bunch of New York area colleges. An official announcement is expected shortly. Now, I don't want to get anyone in trouble, and I certainly don't want to put Coach King on the spot, but I'm just acknowledging, and I'm not, Chris, I'm not starting any trouble, because this is on, right now, I just read it verbatim, HoopDirt.com. Now, is that Mercer College, the Division I college? No. Mercy. Oh, Mercy, okay. Mercy, New York. It's a Division II scholarship, NCAA Division II scholarship situation. Coach King, where is Mercy College located? Mercy College is located in Dobbs Ferry, New York. Okay, now, if you had to tell our listeners or our viewers where that is, if you were here in studio with us, I might put you up and have you draw a little, but if you were to tell our listeners where that is in relation to, say, Maritime College, can you help us discern that? Well, you know, it's funny, you find these things on the internet. Why can't someone find on the internet that I lost 100 pounds, and I'm ready to star in some fancy movie somewhere? Oh, wow. Well, I think that's Coach King's way of deflecting this rumor on the internet, Chris. And that's okay. Like I said, I'm not putting him on the spot. I didn't ask him a question about it other than where is it located. I figured that... You gotta love Coach Miller, but Coach, it's located in Dobbs Ferry, New York, which is about 20 to 25 minutes north of New York City. Okay. Okay. And it is a Division II NCAA scholarship school, though? Yes, it is. Okay. So you see, Chris, I have not usually done my, you know, my normal thing, which is to step on someone's toes and to, you know, make outlandish predictions and statements like I normally do on every show, but I'm not doing that with Coach King because he's our guest. And all I asked him was, where is the school located? And are they a Division II scholarship school? That's all I asked, Chris. We don't, I mean, well, I mean, if somebody wanted to break, a story on here, he certainly could, but yeah, we don't have to, you know, put any pressure on and ask a yes or no question. Guys, I look at it this way, and Coach has gone a long way back with me. There was a time when just to even get a head coaching interview was non-existent. I mean, Coach, I'm sure you remember the days when I was assistant coach. I went, before I even became a head coach, I went through six years of interviews, guys. So for six years, I was interviewed to be head coach, and no one ever wanted to give me an opportunity. And that was a lot of interviews, too. It wasn't like, you know, one or two. I mean, you were on that run there for a while, lots of rejections. About 18, which is amazing because you'd think I'd be happily married right now or I'd be going out on a date every night with a different woman because I'd be happy with all being able to handle rejection. But that's not the case. I guess only in basketball I can handle rejection. But if you look in terms of those six years... How many rejections did you get in six years of interviewing to be a head coach? I would say about 18. 18, Chris. I used to get these calls from Coach King, and back then he wasn't a doctor yet. He was studying to be... Still wanting graduate school. He was still studying to be a doctor, but Coach King used to call, and I think I remember almost... all 18 of those rejections. But this is what I always say, Chris, and you remember this from the time you played for me. Little saying I like, Coach King, I will persist until I succeed. You remember that one, Chris? I will persist until I succeed, and that's what Coach King has done. And when he finally got the opportunity, like I said, at SUNY Maritime, he left as one of the most winning coaches in the history of the program. A remarkable job. When he took over SUNY, they were at the bottom of D3. When he left, they were one game short of 20 wins. Wow. Then he goes to Hostess and rebuilds that program. This year, 26-5, right, Coach? Yep, 26-5. Okay, well, another great run now. We're going to take a short commercial break. When we come back, I want to talk a few more minutes about your team this year, specifically your players on the team. And how they were, and who's recruiting them, and so on. But first, we got to pay some bills, Coach King. 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Time out with Coach Miller. Listen clear. Listen clear. Listen clear. Four times a week. Listen to me on the ear. Over 30 wins. It was for four straight years. First to win. Saved my high school and college career. Over 30 wins. It was for four straight years. First to win. Saved my high school and college career. Hey, we're back. We're live. This is Coach Miller and we are in studio at Skid Row Studios. And welcome back, Coach King. Hello, gentlemen. Wow. He's getting a standing. Oh, he's getting a standing. Oh, Coach King. You're at 26 and five. Hey, they won't stop clapping. Twenty six and five. That's some powerful stuff, Coach. Well, let's keep clapping. I don't mind the applause. It's late in your city. I'll take it all night. Yeah, it is. It is late there. And wait, there's someone there's someone wanting to get in our studio here. Who is that? Oh, oh, that's not someone. That is Chris. Chris is with a question. Hey, Coach, so twenty six and five. That was a really good year. And that was the most that you won at Hostess College. Tell us about your season. Well, like I said earlier, guys, I mean, we just we had a great year. You know, it started early when we beat the number two team in the country in Sullivan Community College at our place. And we just went on and we went on a big run. And we were led by Tyree White and Anthony Rose and Dane Bailey. And to Ron Pascal. And, you know, it was a team that just wanted to win and really fought together and fought hard and, you know, again, we just we bought into what we always do, which was our which was our motto for this year, which was remain status quo. So through a lot of changes that were taking place throughout the college, we wanted to remain status quo and status quo to us is really hard work and dedication and doing things the right way. And, you know, this was a culmination of really, you know, what we did at Marathon and and what we were doing at Hostess and again, the guys had a great year, you know, and I can't speak. I can't speak enough about how happy I am for their success and the success of Hostess Community College. Now, 26 and five, do you remember the wins or do you remember the losses? That's a great question. Someone said to me today, I only remember the losses I have each year. Right, Coach Miller? Well, what I. What I what I said to you, I think it was yesterday, maybe when we talked was and this is the truth, because now, as you know, Coach King, I'm a volunteer coach at L.A. College Prep and we're a fifth year post-grad prep school, and I honestly don't know our record and I have people ask me all the time. So what I say is the truth. I say, well, we lost nine times that I know, Chris, I know many times we lost. But I don't know how many games we won. We could have won 40. We could have won 38. We could have won 42. I don't know. We played a lot of games, but I do know we lost nine times and we won a lot. OK, so that's the truth, Coach King. Now, as a volunteer, I'm not getting paid to do this. So I guess it's not quite as important in a sense to know my record because I don't really, you know, put it on a resume and I don't really, you know, put it on my. You know, website, Coach Miller dot net. I don't I don't put it out there because, you know, it's not that big a deal. I'm just trying to do this to help help people get into universities and try to change some lives the best way we can, which is through basketball. Now, basketball is our tool to help do that now. But for you to go to Chris's question, Chris was asking, I guess, well, do you remember the wins or the losses more? And and I guess I'm going to let you answer that. I mean, you kind of brought me into this and I was I was letting Chris handle this thing, but I'm I'm I'm going to turn it back over to your answer on Chris's question. Well, I mean, I think Coach makes makes a valid point in that we're always going to help the student athlete. And that's really our role. And that's really what we're here to do. And if we can, you know, I remember Coach Hopper telling me Coach Hopper was the legendary coach at UChida University. He was just released at the forty years of service here in New York City as the head coach. And he said to me, since I'm very poignant this year to me, which was we get to help create the dreams that our student athletes help live, live on the basketball court and in turn, they help to create the moments that we never forget as coaches. Oh, that's that's a great line. Now, when you say Coach Hopper was released, does that mean he was let go? Or does that mean he retired? Let go? Forty three years of the head coach of UChida University. Yeah. Yeah. And he's taken a great stride and he's a great man. He's just an unbelievable coach in person. And and even at UChida University back in the day, I mean, they had a couple of players drafted during the NBA from UChida. So, you know, I'm very proud to say I'm a part of Coach Hopper's family and so forth and so on. But it kind of lends guys to what you guys talking about was, yeah, we won 26 games, and these were moments that the student athletes and the coaches got to live together. If it was easy, everybody would be able to do it. Now, for me, I mean, I look at being up 10 against Sullivan in the regional semifinal with a chance to go on to the Nationals if we can win this game and the day after. And all I remember is Tron Briggs hitting a three-point shot which started a run for them, which we couldn't hold them back from, and we wind up losing the game in the final minutes. So for me, I barely slept. I want to get back on the court, and I want to get back to teaching. But for our student athletes, it was just a magical year, Chris. Now, Coach, usually when we have guests that come in, they bring players in, and I like messing with the players, but I like grilling them and asking them different questions. And one of the questions I usually ask them is, what do they think their strengths and weaknesses are on the team? You know, getting a kid to answer that, because now he has to think probably for the first time, like, what is it that I do well? What is it that I don't do well? This is going to be the first time I ask a coach this. What do you think your strengths and weaknesses are as a coach? Well, if you ask the players that, they would tell you it's all about them, and I don't really do that much. But I guess that's a New York City attitude more than anything else. Right. But really, I mean, the strength of a coach at a junior college level, and Coach Miller touched on this before, is really we're there for the student athletes. And our job is really to help them grow and develop and move them on to a four-year level. Because if we don't, then where are they going to go after us? They go to the streets, and they go and play in the park, and basically chase a dream, a fantasy that will never come true. So that's where they go if they don't matriculate from a junior college or community college. So it's a very serious business, and getting them into a community college and getting them out of the community college is very, very important. It's not to be taken lightly. Correct. And especially with us, I mean, let's call it what it is. I mean, we're juniors. Junior college, we're Division III junior college in a CUNY conference. And a CUNY conference is the City University of New York. We're everyone's last choice. So we're recruiting our team in July and August when, first of all, most of our schools have stopped admitting students. So now we're trying to get these young men into schools at the last minute and trying to put teams together at the last minute and really trying to mold them and help them develop, into better men, better student athletes, and better people overall. And it's not an easy position by any stretch of the imagination. Well, I have a question for you, Coach King. I mean, I know Chris is talking about your season, but I have a question for you. You were 26-5, but I noticed that you played a team called Nassau, and you lost to them twice. Now, who are they, and why are they so good? Are they from Long Island? Yes. They're from Long Island. And they had a great team this year. We happened to actually play them twice. The first time we played them, we played them without Jabbar Jefferson and Dehaina Bailey most of the game. But we did have Kyrie White that game. It was an unbelievable game. We were actually down 17 with about two minutes to go. We come all the way back, and we're up one with 15 seconds left. And we wound up losing on a shot that Nassau made at the end to win the game. It was just one of those, I don't want to say crazy, but it really was just one of those crazy, nail-biting college basketball games. Now, they're not part of your league or your conference, right? But you did play them twice. Correct. They are in our region. So in order to get to the Nationals, you would have to face them in the regional final. Are they also a Division III JUCO? Yes, they are. Okay. And Sullivan is same thing. They're not in your league or conference, but your region? Correct. Okay. Now, are Sullivan and Nassau two of the better powerhouse-type schools at this level? Oh, traditionally. I mean, Sullivan, Cle Anthony Early, who just played for Wichita State, he came from Sullivan two years ago, Sullivan Community College. And... And Nassau Community College has always been a powerhouse going back to years. A.J. Wines, the coach at Nassau, averages, I think, about anywhere from 17 to 21 in the season in his 20-plus years at Nassau Community College. So these are two of the more powerhouses. I'm sorry. Oh, no, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt you. Now, you guys have three different divisions for your junior colleges out there? Yes, we have three different divisions, one, two, and three. Okay. And then, so like you said, most of the Division I and II JCs out there get pretty much the pick of the litter? Correct. Not only do they get the pick of the litter, but most of them are predominantly all scholarship. Okay. So then how do you find most of your players? That's a great question. And, you know, it's amazing because there's no right or wrong answer. And I learned years ago by my good friend, Coach, Miller, that if you want to find a player, just you've got to work harder than everybody else. Right. And you're not going to find that player at that random event that all the coaches are at to watch the players play. You have to work harder. You have to get in the gym when nobody's in the gym. And, you know, you've got to watch these guys play on these Tuesday, Wednesday nights, these leagues that nobody's watching. And you've got to go to workouts that nobody knows about, but you know about it because, you know, hey, you have a little bit more connections than everybody else. And then you've got to build that network. And you have to build that network of, you know, based upon your own student athletes and relying on them to help keep recommending players to the program. Right. There's no set way. There's no set way how to do it. I consider myself an excellent recruiter. And it's just because we get out and we work hard. I mean, it's... One of the most important elements of recruiting is first the evaluation of a player. Right. Like, for example, I mean, I didn't have to recruit Chris when he played for me because when I took the job at Rebay, he was already there. But still, to use him as an example, when I watch him play, to evaluate him properly, to see what his strengths and weaknesses are, and in fact to, you know, figure out what he needs to, you know, do to be even better. Yeah. Yeah. And I think, Coach, you're absolutely right. So your evaluation comes before your recruiting. Like, you go somewhere. You might be at an open gym situation at a YMCA, let's say. And you're sitting there watching and you're not even sure who you're going to see. And then you see someone that you evaluated and you say, oh, this guy's really good. And then you can start recruiting. Right. Because if the player's not too good, you're not going to really want to recruit him. Or maybe you see a guy that, you know, that you think is good, that other people don't think is good. Maybe you see something in him that others don't see. I know for me, that happened all the time. I mean, I really, I would see things in people, not just in basketball, but in life. Like with you, Coach King. I mean, I saw things in you. I saw things in you. I saw a future head coach in you, despite you getting the 18 rejections. I didn't ever think of you differently or look down upon you and say, oh, my God, you know, this is a problem and he's not going to be a head coach or he's not going to be successful. You know, I saw something in you that led me to believe that you would be a head coach and be a successful one. I mean, if you think about it, Chris, he goes 0 for 18 and he gets a job. And he was very successful. I mean, very successful at Maritime. And now, again, very, very successful at Hostos. So anyway, hey, look, let me give out our phone number. It's 1-800-893-9562. If you have a question for Coach King, because we're not going to keep you on too much later, Coach. We're going to keep you on too much later. Coach, it's almost 2 in the morning in New York City, right? 2 in the morning. I'm ready for a bagel and some rocks. Yeah, it's almost breakfast time there in New York City. Hey, I miss hanging out with you in New York City. This is the first year, first spring that I haven't been to New York in a long time. I might come in the summer so that we can hang out and go down to some of our favorite delis and stuff. And you remember my favorite steakhouse, Uncle Jack's. Uncle Jack's. Oh, my God. But again, maybe we could be Mavericks amongst New York City. Yeah, yeah. So anyway, let me give out our number, 1-800-893-9562. If you have a question for Coach King, call in. Hey, do we have a caller calling in, Scott? Okay, put him on. We've got a call, Coach. Caller, you're on the air. Caller, you're on the air. Go ahead. Yeah, hello. I have a question for Coach King. Okay. I'm wondering, Coach, what do you look for in a recruit? What are the attributes that stand out the most to you? Well, you know, Coach Miller said the evaluation process is important for us and for what I work with my staff and particularly myself is if I can have a conversation with the student athlete. If I can have a conversation with the student athlete and we can get along and we can build a bond, I think that's an excellent starting point in terms of the recruitment process. Nice. Okay, that's a great question and great answer. Now, Coach King, before we let you go, we talked about, you know, these, I mean, to me, what's remarkable is you had the 18 rejections and you finally get a chance and you're not just successful, you're really successful. And not only once but twice at two different kinds of institutions, a D3 NCAA school and a junior college. Chris, you had a question you asked me off the air about Coach King and the process he went through when he was trying to become a head coach. Well, no, what I was wondering was, like, you know, you interviewed for all these different jobs and, you know, I hate to say rejection. I hate to say rejection after rejection, but, you know, 18 times is like, you know, what was your resolve that, you know, number 19 is going to be the one? I mean, because, you know, a lot of people would, after a couple, be like, you know, I don't think I'm cut out for this or this may not be for me. And, you know, Coach Miller is real big on quotes. And one of my favorite quotes is, slow progress, people don't realize is still progress. So, you know, for you, it was a slow progress. But, you know, you had a chance. So you're still maybe progressing even though you're getting turned down. What made you keep going? Well, you know, I mean, you see some of these Division I assistant coaches and they're grad assistants and they become assistant coaches and then they get to become a coach. And, you know, they're lucky to be in the spot that they are. And, you know, they're part of maybe, you know, different coaching families and they get access to the business a little bit quicker than you would. And I don't have... You know, I have tremendous friends that I rely on for great advice like Coach Miller and some other people. But I'm not part of a coaching family where, you know, Rick Pitino is not picking up the phone call. Rick Pitino is not calling a school on behalf of Jody King. So it's been a tremendous challenge and it continues to be a tremendous challenge. And that's why, you know, the thing that was posted today on HoopDirt, you know, I'm honored that schools are recognizing, you know, a lot of the hard work. And I'm honored that we put in there as a program. And I'd like to think now it's starting to pay off. And, you know, it will continue to pay off. But, you know, when you look back at it, if it's something you wish and you're highly motivated, you're going to go after it and you're going to do it. And if it's something that you love and you're passionate with on top of that, it's going to make you even more motivated. You know, I have the degree to back me up in case coaching doesn't work out. And I guess I can do therapy on myself. And if it doesn't work out. But at the end of the day, I'm a big believer in you have to do what you love no matter what. And you have to figure out a way how to make it work. And, you know, for, you know, for 20 some odd years, I've tried to figure out a way how to make it work. And now, you know, we're not, you know, we're just starting to reach some of the benefits. We, you know, you know, we were barely touching the surface. And I think as we go along, I think, you know, we have a bright future in this business. And, you know, it's all because of that. Hard work and determination. And, you know, like Coach Millis says all the time, and Coach Halford and Coach Miles and some other people, Coach Marks, who have been around for a long time, you know, don't give up. You know, it's not a cliche. It's the truth. If this is something that you want, go after it. And don't look back because. First of all, first of all, I run into this all the time. You have to have dreams. You've got to have dreams. And you have to have hope. And I don't think. Ever during that time that you were an assistant trying to become a head coach, did you give up hope? Now, my saying again is I will persist until I succeed. And I think you're a great example and testament to that. And frankly, I hope that that thing that we saw on Hoop Dirt today, Chris, is true. I hope that Mercy College is going to select you or offer you a job to be their coach. And that you'll consider it strongly if it is offered. And I think it could be another stepping stone. It would be your third if you were to have that happen. It would be your third opportunity to be a head coach after 18 rejections. And you've done a remarkable job in the last two opportunities. And there's no reason to think, Chris, that Coach King wouldn't do a remarkable job in another opportunity. Right. Even at a higher level like Mercy College. So we're not going to put Coach King on the spot and ask him if he's interviewed or been offered a job. We don't want to do that. But if he wanted to break something, you know, this would be a good format for him to break something. I'll tell you guys this much. Like I said before, any opportunity after all these years is one that I cherish and take to heart. And it's just amazing. This website. I would love. I know who Hoopster is. He's got some interesting things out there. Right, wrong, or different. He's got some interesting things. But we'll see what the next week takes us. And I think there's going to be, look, at the end of the day, you know, there's going to be some positive change moving forward. And I think there's going to be some great news with our career moving ahead. And I look forward to a lot of new, exciting challenges in the next couple weeks. And I'm excited to move forward. And see where it takes us. And I know Hostos is in the right place. And we brought that place back. So, you know, it's, again, whether it's me or someone else to continue on, everything's there for them to continue in a great place. And if I do have an opportunity to go to Mercy or any other school, we're going to run with it. And we're going to make that place into the next great program. And Coach Miller and Chris and everyone, with everyone's support, you know, we're just going to keep this run going. Well, I think by this time next week, Coach Miller, we may have some news to report. But, you know what, good luck to you, Coach King, in all your endeavors. And I hope everything works out for you. You know, I think, Chris, that was, I think, you know, Coach Dr. Jody King is a psychologist. He is a doctor of psychology. I think what we just heard there was an admission. Right, without admitting. Without admitting. Thank you, Chris. An admission without admitting. Thank you, Chris. Thank you, Chris. Thank you, Chris. Thank you, Chris. Thank you, Chris. Thank you, Chris. Thank you, Chris. Thank you, Chris. There may be something to that, that rumor on Hoop Dirt. That's just if we were going to read between the lines. Right, exactly. I mean, not saying that we are, but I'm just saying, if we wanted to read between the lines, we could interpret that as an admission. I agree. Too bad I'm not in studio, so I can't have some more fun with you guys right now. You know what? If you turned red, if you were in studio, we would know that it's more than an admission. But I think, Chris, it was sort of some sort of... If we were playing poker, I'd turn in my hand right now because I think he was holding all the aces. Yeah, I think so, too. Coach Dr. Jody King, thank you for being on our show. We really enjoyed having you. And as Chris alluded to, we may have some news next week on the show that would be a follow-up to you being on this week, Coach King. And if so, we'll be happy to have you back on for a short time and make an announcement that you might be at home. Thank you. And we'll be back at Mersey College as the new head coach there. You guys are terrific. It's getting late here, though, on the East Coast. And we're going to let you go. You're going to turn into a pumpkin, we know. And thanks for being on the air, Coach King. Good luck to you as you go into the next week here and figure out things. You guys are great. Thank you for having me on. Much appreciated. Coach Miller, this is a great show. I'm quite proud of you. Best of luck. And hello to everyone at Skid Row Studios. 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Another special guest today. Listen up. It might get a little hectic from the stuff. We discuss. Hey, we're back. Welcome back to Time Out with Coach Miller. Chris, it is great to have you back in the studio after a month vacation. Thank you very much. Well, not so much a vacation, but a month off. Well, a vacation. You don't have to do too much vacating. A vacation from here. From here. Yes. From Skid Row Studios. And you know, speaking of which, I always like those pictures you send me. You call them vacation porn. I'm not a vacation porn. I'm a vacation porn. I'm a vacation porn. I'm a vacation porn. I'm a vacation porn. I'm a vacation porn. I'm a vacation porn. I'm a vacation porn. I'm a vacation porn. I'm a vacation porn. I'm a vacation porn. As everybody who is a friend of mine on Facebook knows, yes, I am a Facebook addict. And people post pictures of exotic locations. And like you said before, in the last episode, you got to have a dream. So why not want to go to one of these places? One of the places that I do want to go. that I just think is so beautiful. It's Greece. Amazing place. Oh, my God. And every time I see pictures from there, I just post it on Facebook and under the heading vacation porn. Well, you come up with some good pictures. I'll say that. And I'll tell you what, my next big vacation is going to be Cuba. I'm looking forward to going to Cuba. Can you get to Cuba? I can. Okay, how? I can because there are some loopholes in the rules. Okay. I'm not going to talk about what I do off the air. Don't do that, but you can let me know off air. Well, but no, it's legal because the business that I'm in, okay, the U.S. government allows certain kinds of people that are in certain kinds of businesses to go to Cuba. Wow. And one of the businesses that I'm in, I'm allowed to go. So I don't have to sneak around and go to Mexico and pretend I'm not going to Cuba. But I'm looking forward. I'm planning my trip. And I'm excited about it. And if you, you know, if you go out and have a nice drink somewhere, have some Cuban rum and a nice cigar, and you just happen to, you know, one falls in your suitcase, let me know. Hey, no worries on that. Now, I'm also excited, besides thinking about going to Cuba and enjoying your vacation porn pictures you sent me, I'm excited to welcome our next guest on the air because this guy is, in my opinion, the best high school basketball writer in Southern California right now. Jack Poland. Are you there, Jack? Mike, how you doing? I am doing great. It's great to have you on our show. Welcome to Time Out with Coach Miller. Thanks. Great to be with you on this Friday night. This Friday night? You're probably at home with your beautiful daughter. Yeah, yeah. She's sleeping right now. Well, it's a good time to be sleeping if you're a little girl her age because it's 11 o'clock and our guest just got off the air. It's two in the morning New York time where he is and we just finished interviewing him. So we had him on and now we're a little bit earlier here for you. We're, you know, we're here in LA, of course, and as you are, you work for the LA Daily News, which, in my opinion, is now the best paper in Los Angeles. Well, thanks a lot. Mike, you know, I really appreciate that. We try and do a good job mainly focusing on the San Fernando Valley, Santa Clarita Valley, Conejo Valley, and, you know, I get out to LA and some of the other areas around Southern California myself. And, you know, we try and do a good job, stay on top of everything. Well, you do, and you're being very honest right now, like you always are, Jack. And, you know, you guys do focus on the Valley, as you should. Um, but that said, you do get out and you see other games. And, uh, in particular, if a Valley team, if El Camino is playing Westchester, let's say, I saw you at that game, you were reporting on that game. Right, right. If, um, if Silmar is playing, you know, Fairfax or something like that. Loyola or... No, not Loyola. You'll report on that game, right? Oh, yeah, you know, Crespi and Alamany and Chaminade and Notre Dame, they're in the same league with Loyola. So we were down at a great Chaminade-Loyola game in early January when Chaminade beat them up in their own gym, you know, pretty bad. Oh, it was that day game. So, yeah, we, you know, we get out. Where the best games are, we'll get there. Well, as I said, and I make strong statements at times and bold predictions, which generally come true on the show, is that the L.A. Daily News is the best paper in Los Angeles now. They have surpassed, that's the L.A. Times, and the L.A. Times does not cover the way they used to. The L.A. Times readership has gone down quite a bit in the last couple of years, while the L.A. Daily News readership has actually gone up in the last couple of years. Isn't that right, Jack? Yeah, yeah, you know, I believe so. You know, we have a lot of people tell me they only subscribe to the Daily News for the sports section now. The local sports mainly, and, you know, the L.A. Times has gone to more of just an online format, and they have such a broad coverage area, you know, way out to the Inland Empire and Moreno Valley and, you know, down to the tip of San Diego. So a lot of schools don't get, you know, a lot of coverage as much as they do with a paper like ours, which, you know, focuses, you know, on a certain area. So, yeah. You know, we have a real loyal, you know, following, you know, for about the hundred schools that we cover. You know, and Chris, before you ask Jack a question, I just want to make a comment on something he said, is that, and this is true, and I've seen this with other papers, Jack, is that a lot of people take the L.A. Daily News because of the coverage that you do and others like you at the paper on local sports. I mean, that's a fact. When Frank Burleson, who we've had on the show before, was with the Long Beach Press-Telegram, you know, people would buy the paper just to read his column or just to read, you know, twice a week when he'd write something. And when he left the paper, you know, all those people stopped buying it. And so what Jack says is true, Chris. You know, the Daily News, the L.A. Daily News is smart because they've got people like Jack who really know their stuff and really specialize. They specialize in a certain area and really do a great job covering high school sports. Well, that's what I was going to piggyback on because, like he said, and I am a devoted L.A. Times reader, but I read a lot of it online now. And the reason why I do read the L.A. Daily News and also the Pasadena Star News is because of the local sports section. So, you know, when I read the L.A. Daily News, I can catch up on Burbank or Burroughs or, like you said, Alameda because there's a lot of kids from Pasadena that go. I live in Pasadena. There's a lot of kids from Pasadena that go to Alameda and Chaminade and Loyola and all those schools out there. And you can keep tabs on them. And, you know, the same thing with the Pasadena Daily News. I mean, the Pasadena Star News. You can keep tabs on, you know, anything from the 57 out to Pasadena, basically. So I think that does help you guys more that you guys are just a regional, you know, you guys cover a lot more regional than the L.A. Times does. Yeah, you know, the Star News is part of our news group. Right. The Daily News, the Star News, Whittier Daily News, the South Bay, Daily Breeze, San Bernardino Sun. Those are all actually newspapers that are part of our news group, the Los Angeles News Group. So we're all kind of, you know, owned by the same person, same group. And, you know, we help each other out when we can. I know that we do. A lot of stuff for Pasadena. If St. Francis or Damien or somebody's out in the Valley, you know, we'll help cover that game for them so they don't have to send somebody on a far drive. And, you know, we get help out that way when our teams are playing, you know, St. Francis or Pasadena or, you know, Maranatha or somebody out there, then, you know, the Pasadena Star News helps us out. So we really, you know, we try and work together. And, you know, it's a great thing. The local sports people love high school sports. They love local sports. They want to know who the next stars are going to be. And, you know, it feels good to do a job and provide information where, you know, we're doing that and making people happy. Yeah, I agree, Jack. Now, let me ask you, would you, do you consider yourself or does the LA Daily News consider you like a high school basketball beat writer or what, I mean, how would you identify yourself? I mean, you're, obviously you're, you're a sports reporter, you're a journalist, but I mean, specifically, are you, are you a high school basketball beat writer or what are you? Yeah, I mean, it would be safe to say where, you know, I mean, I cover girls volleyball, I cover water polo, I cover soccer, tennis, softball, baseball, you know, just out of necessity because, you know, there's very, there's only a few of us, you know, budget cuts have hurt us over the last five, six, seven years. And there's just a few of us left. So we're not able to cover, you know, every single thing every day. You know, we've got to pick and choose the best games and the best stories and the best kids to get to. But, you know, while I do everything, it would be safe to say where, you know, my prep editor, Eric Ball, who's a great writer, who's in charge, he, you know, I can safely say without him here that I am in charge of boys basketball for the Daily News, yes. Okay, great. Now, do you, Jack, do you venture out and cover, you know, other, now you've mentioned these other sports, but like other levels, do you ever write about college sports or pro sports for the Daily News? You know, once in a while we do. You know, over the past 10 years, we've kind of shifted away from, you know, covering junior college sport, junior colleges, from covering the small colleges, you know, and basically not because we don't want to, it's just, it's just out of necessity. What do we need to get in the paper every day? What do people, you know, what are readers telling us they want to see more of in the paper every day? And then, like I said, when there's only a few of us, you know, really left to kind of work, you know, somewhat on a full-time basis, it makes it tough for us because we have so many schools that we have to cover that we've mainly focused on high school sports the last, you know, you know, the last good amount of years. So. Right. The Ventura County Star and the Star News and some of the other papers, you know, they don't have quite as many high schools to cover as us because in the San Fernando Valley, there's so many schools. There's like a high school in every corner. Right. So, you know, we've had to just basically put all our eggs into covering high school sports. And, you know, I've wanted to get out there and cover Moore Park and Glendale and Valley College and try and do a JC, you know, column once a week or, you know, even try to cover, you know, and try and get into some of the prep schools that flourished the last few years. Sierra Canyon and a couple other ones. Yeah. Cal Lutheran, some of the small colleges, that would be fun too. But we just haven't been able to really find a way to incorporate that. And, you know, hopefully maybe we can change that. Yeah. There's limited time, as Jack says, and limited resources. You know, it just, that's a fact. And, you know, but I think, that the Daily News clearly has established itself as the premier paper when it comes to covering high school sports in Southern California. Now, Jack, we're going to take a real short commercial break, just one commercial, and we'll be right back with a little bit more. And we want to talk a little bit more with you about some of your best memories from this year. Obviously, two times, teams from the Valley and boys basketball won city titles this year. And we want to talk a little bit about that and some other things that you may remember from this year. But can you hold on while we pay a few bills here? Yeah, yeah. No, most definitely. That'll be great. Okay. Scott, let's run to our commercial, and we'll be right back with more Jack Pollin. This is Coach Miller, excited to tell you about student athletes. Look, it's not just about the team. It's about the team. It's about the team. It's about the team. 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Close to 100 Division I's I built up. Dedication and hard work. Step up to the court. I'm like who ready to lose first. 14 times champs every year earned. Feet to the court. Let me get in my zone. Hands grip. To the ball. Let me get in control. Non-stop. Can't quit. That's a winner's quote. I'ma just keep doing me. Hear the crowd as they cheer. 18 out of 19. Coach of the year. Time out with Coach Miller. Listen clear. Two times a week. Listen to me on the ear. Over 30 wins. It was for four straight years. First to win. Saved my high school and college career. Over 30 wins. It was for four straight years. First to win. Saved my high school. And college career. Hey, we're back. We are live on the air at Skid Row Studios. Chris, great to have Jack on the phone with us. He's still here. Jack, we're back. And let's talk about this with you. My hypothesis here is to let you run with it because you see more games than anyone in the Valley. What are some of your great memories that stand out from this past year? 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Julian Richardson, Malik Haynes, Evan Wardlow, a great group of kids that made it to the Division III championship, lost, made it to the Division II championship and won, and then to get to the Division I championship and beat a storied program like Westchester, that was a big thing for the San Fernando Valley. Huge, right? That's a great memory right there. Another big storyline was the emergence of Campbell Holgard, Aaron Holiday, the brother of Drew Holiday, who plays in the NBA. He's an 11th grader. He's a phenomenal player committed to UCLA, and he had some special performances early in January against Viewpoint. Aaron had three points going into, the fourth quarter, and they were losing to a mediocre team. And then Holiday erupted for, I believe it was 26 points or 27 points in eight minutes and led Campbell Holgard back to a victory. And then to watch Holiday play Village Christian, which is a great team in the Division IVA semifinals, he scored 43 points in front of Coach Steve Alford at UCLA. And nearly, single-handedly led Campbell Hall to a victory, but they came up short to Village Christian, and then the next day committed to UCLA. Wow. Now, Jack, you saw his brother, his older brother play, Drew Holiday, who is with, was it with Philadelphia 76ers now? He got traded to the New Orleans Hornets. Pelicans. Pelicans. New Orleans Pelicans before the season started, and then he was traded to the New Orleans Hornets. He got injured about midway through the year. You got a chance to see both of the older brothers play. Now, but Jack, you've covered them both. Now, how do you compare this young Holiday to his older brother who's in the NBA if you have to look at the same age range? You know, I get asked that question a lot. I'll bet. It's hard to compare the two. Drew was a great all-arounder. All-around player. Picked his spots. You know, made other guys out there better. He, he, he, I got to say this. Drew had better guys to play with. Yeah. So that's part of the knock on Aaron. A lot of people think Aaron's a gunner, takes bad shots, forces the issues sometimes. And I try and tell people, you know, hold on, hold the phone here. He has to do something. He has to do some of that to try and help his team win, actually. He's got to. You'd rather the team that Aaron's on right now, Campbell Hall, you'd rather him take a bad shot than maybe another kid on the team taking an open shot. Because there's probably a better chance Aaron's going to make the shot. Wow. That's a great point, Jack. Yeah, Drew. Because Drew had his older brother playing with him that was, you know, 6'7". Yeah, yeah. See, Drew had an unbelievable team. He had Justin Holiday with him. He had a. A guy named Joe Ford who went to Pacific. Right. He had his little brother, Robert Ford. Those are Pasadena guys. Right. They had Dallas Rutherford. They had a Hornbuckle kid. You know, they just had better players. Drew was playing with better guys. So it was a different dynamic. And I've been telling everybody, yeah, I know Aaron takes bad shots. And Aaron forces the issue a little bit here and there. But that's what he has to do. He's trying to win games. He's a winner. The kid is an absolute winner. He's a bulldog. He has that bull in a china shop mentality. And, you know, at the very least, it's fun to watch. I saw him. You know, I kind of compare him. This is what I say to people. I kind of compare him to Yasiel Puig on the L.A. Dodgers. He might be a little reckless, but you're watching him play. Right. You know who he reminds me of? That you said that. Because I saw him play earlier this year. And as good as he is versus how not good the rest of the team is, is Mitchell Butler when he was at Oakwood. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a great call right there. Because Butler was on a team that didn't have great guys. I mean, my team, before Coach Miller coached me, he coached me my junior and senior year. But my freshman team, we played Mitchell Butler in the playoffs, in the quarterfinals of the CAF playoffs. And, you know, I tell people this all the time. I'll never forget the game. Because they beat us 55-48. But he had 50 of their 55 points. Yeah. Yeah. Mitchell was, yeah, that's a good call right there. You know. Which means that he beat Rebae by himself. Because Rebae had 48. And he had 50 of the 55. So, Mitchell Butler 50, Rebae 48. Yeah. So, you know, watching Aaron Holiday play was a great memory this year. He had some unbelievable performances. Another good storyline. The emergence of Village Christian with Bear Henderson, Benny Boatwright, Brian Alberts, Marsalis Johnson. Benny Boatwright is a beast. They had a great team with some great players over there. And they ended up winning a CIF championship when they beat Windward. Now, they didn't, though, Jack, they didn't win the state this year. In fact, didn't they lose pretty early in the state tournament this year? Yeah. Yeah. Village. Village got into the state tournament. You know, I can't even remember who they lost to at this point. I think they won a game and then lost. Yeah, I think they lost. You know what? They lost to a very good Cantwell Sacred Heart team. Cantwell Sacred Heart has two 6'10 juniors. One from Serbia. The other from Montenegro. Don't ask me how they ended up in Montebello. You know, I was going to ask you. When you said that and you mentioned this, where they were from, I was going to say, well, how did those two guys from, you said Serbia? And Montenegro. And Montenegro. Yeah. And end up at the same place at the same time. End up in predominantly Hispanic Montebello. Yeah. How did that happen? Well, Coach Miller, I think they took a page out of the Coach Miller handbook. Oh. That means they recruit? Or they recruited? I didn't say the word. I didn't say the word. Oh. The friends of the program. Yeah. I saw them play earlier this year. I saw them also this year, too. But now it's been over 25 years, I think, since I've coached in high school. Yeah. And in the CIF Southern section, which Cantwell is a member of. But as I recall, if a student didn't live with their parents, they weren't eligible to play. Yeah. At least that was the rule 25 years ago. Yeah. I mean, the rules have changed over and over. The blue book changes every year. You know, I don't know how it is. It seems as though there are no rules anymore because everybody's transferring and getting eligible. So, you know, the rule book's kind of thrown out the window. It's real weird, this 30-day rule that they have now. Just transfer. You can transfer to a school and you only have to sit out 30 days now. Yeah. Yeah. Sit out 30 days. It's a sit-out period. Right. They like to call it a sit-out period. It's not exactly 30 days, but right around there. So the rules are just crazy. But, Jack, I get what you're saying. The rules may change a lot and stuff, but I still think at the end of the day that the student has to live with their parent or guardian. I mean, I don't think you can come halfway around the world by yourself and just – Yeah. You know, go to a private school that costs money to go to, I imagine. Right. I mean – You know, I'm sure those kids are probably under the foreign exchange program. Oh. You know, probably a foreign exchange program. They might be in an accredited, you know, approved foreign exchange program by the Southern Section. So they probably have a host family. Right. You know – Oh, I see. Good point. They probably did it that way. And they're both 6'10", though. Yeah, 6'10". Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, good players. Good players. Not – probably not pros, but, you know, a little slow, a little awkward, but great at the high school level. Okay. So you – so anyway, but Village Christian, back to them, they – see, Chris, as you could tell, Jack is a little bit of a provocateur, like I am. And so we get off – we were talking about Village Christian, and all of a sudden we're wondering how two 6'10". Yeah. You know, the guys that don't speak English probably when they came end up in Montebello at a little small private school. But the CIF probably doesn't care too much about that. I mean, they – the CIF Southern Section's a joke. I mean, Jack, I mean, these guys at the CIF Southern Section, they're a joke. They allow stuff to go on that, you know, let's be honest, it really is to the detriment of the Valley teams for the most part. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They can do whatever they want and any, any players can go there and no one questions it at all. Yeah. I mean, guys transfer there all the time and no one, no one says, Oh, they recruited. No one says anything. Yeah. I mean, it's gotten to a point where, you know, modern day and, and a couple other schools, you know, for, for, for other sports or, you know, there's certain schools with certain sports where it's gone on for so long. And it's, it's, it's, you know, it's hard to enforce these rules because the Southern section is so large. Right. And, and, you know, they, they don't have a task force that can go out and, you know, you know, investigate and ask questions and, you know, get paperwork and really dive into this stuff. So it's hard to manage. I, you know, I will, I will give them that. And it's become to a point where there are certain schools where it's almost like when you talk to other people where it's just accepted. Right. It's accepted. It's accepted that they are always going to get guys and always going to be good. And it doesn't matter how they do it. Right. Now, Jack, let me ask you a question. This, this realignment, uh, situation that was happening in football with Oaks Christian and, um, St. Bonaventure and a couple of other schools in football. How would that affect, how did that affect basketball? Well, um, basketball wise, you know, it really, it really, you know, it, it, it didn't change too much. The Marmonti league is now going to be made up of, uh, which is a pretty good league here. Uh, that was an Oaks Westlake, uh, Newberry park, Oaks Christian. Um, and I want to say, I want to say Agora and Calabasas. Now that's going to be the new league for next year, Jack. Yeah. That'll be, that'll be for next year. And that's six schools. Uh, Calabasas, Agora, Newberry, Westlake, T.O. and Oaks Christian. That, that's six schools. That's a very good basketball league. Right. Very good basketball league. Calabasas always good under veteran coach, John Pilar's who used to be at Campbell hall. Um, and, and who also used to be one of my assistant coaches, I might add. Oh, excellent. Um, yeah, Calabasas, good program, good coach, Oaks Christian. Excellent. Excellent coach. John Pilar's was a bright young coach when I first met him and he helped me for about a year and amazing coach. And I, I agree with you now is Oaks. Christian Jack is not as good as they were, uh, a couple of years ago, a couple of years ago under the previous regime. Um, yeah, they're not nearly as good. Are they? Um, I wouldn't, I wouldn't say, I wouldn't say they're, they're too far off. Um, you know, 2011 under, uh, Andre Chevalier, uh, former Cal state Northridge star. They won the championship. Uh, they beat Buckley in the finals and made a run all the way to the state regionals, lost a windward one game before going up North. And, and Andre Chevrolet was a great high school player at Cleveland high school in the Valley. Correct. Correct. I saw him play and a good man and a good, good coach. And he's not coaching there. Who, who took his spot, Jack? So, so, so Andre was at Oaks and I was on his staff helping and we won the championship 2011 lost in 2012 in the quarterfinals to Laverne Lutheran, which had a guy named Grant Jarrett on the team. And Jarrett went to Arizona and is now in the NBA. That's right. And then the parents, uh, for some reason, which nobody knows, uh, decided, uh, they didn't want Andre coaching anymore. And, uh, the school, uh, made a change and they brought in AJ Moyet, uh, who played, uh, who went to Indiana and was set to play for Bob Knight. But Bob Knight, uh, got, got fired right before Moyet was about to start over there. Where is AJ Moyet from Jack? Is he from out here? He's actually, uh, he was Mr. Basketball in Georgia. Oh, uh, his dad is out here and his two, uh, half brothers are, uh, or his two brothers are out here. Um, so that's the connection with California. And, uh, Moyet took over at a rough year last year. And then he leads Oaks Christian to the four double a championship this year. They lost a chase era, good orange County team. Okay. And, um, and I don't know if you guys have heard, uh, uh, about three, three weeks ago, he was, he was let go by the school. Wow. You know, that's why I kind of asked you, I didn't know who the coach was, but, but someone had told, uh, someone had sent us an email, uh, in our, um, here at Skid Row studios at our show saying that there was an opening at Oaks Christian. And I just didn't understand it because I figured, well, they just had an opening a couple of years ago when, when Andre, uh, left. Yeah. And so you're confirming that they have another opening. Yeah. That AJ left three, four weeks ago and said, Jack, I just got let go. I just was in a meeting and they're letting me go. Oh, and, uh, do you think the parents said, uh, okay. I shouldn't say the parents, the, um, administration at Oaks at Oaks Christian is spoiled or, I mean, well, it's, it's, it's the administration succumbing to parent pressure. Right. Bottom line. You know, it's, it's, it's not any more complicated than, uh, you know, some upset parent or a group of upset parents. What do the parents want? Jack, do they just, is it simple as selfish as I want more playing time for my son? Yeah. Yeah. I guess, I guess it's more about, I'd rather my son play this amount of minutes. And then, and, and I guess I don't care if we lose games, then let's do what's best for the team and try and win games. Now, do you think, do you see that as a big problem over the last, like, say, I'm going to say 25 years since it's almost been 25 years since I graduated. So over the last 25 years, you see that as a predominant problem going on in high school sports nowadays? Yeah. Yeah. Especially at the private schools, because that's where the money's coming. Uh, they, they depend on, you know, and they depend on, on tuition and they depend on, uh, donations. Uh, the, uh, you know, certain, certain parents are donating big money. So, they feel that they have a right to call some of the shots. Right. Now, what's interesting, Jack, is you had mentioned that you were on the staff there. And I recall seeing you, uh, with, uh, with coach Andre Chevillet. And I saw you on the bench and you were helping him a couple of years ago. And you guys had a really good team. I remember seeing your team play. There was no reason to replace him. No, not at all. I mean, you guys had a really successful, really successful program. Oh, yeah. His first year taking over coaching the boys at Oaks Christian, you know, tough, tough school, a lot of pressure. He wins a CIF championship. That's unheard of. Right. First year, you know, no, you know, so, uh, you know, and then the next year to come within three seconds and a, and a, and a, and a couple inches of a, of a three pointer going in, um, to beat, uh, a perennial state power with an NB, a player on it. And then you're going to, you're going to try and tell me that's not good enough. And so out of your mind, he was there for two seasons, Jack, two seasons, two seasons, CIF championship and a quarter final run. Yeah. And, and, and then you get removed Chris, because some angry parents now. So then there's new guy comes in. Let me just stay on the Soaks Christian thing. Cause I find it fascinating, Chris. I've been, I've been out there. Yeah. Uh, to the tournament when, when Jack, when you were there, if, if you recall, I've been out there and, um, big tournament, great event. Yeah. And, um, you know, it seemed to me like that football stadium is, is unbelievable. Like second to none. Yeah. Um, is, yeah, I was just going to ask you, is football King out there? Oh, big time. I can answer that question. I mean, just off the, some of the schools that he said, um, you know, St. Bonaventure Oaks, Christian. I mean, that's what that whole, whole thing was about because they wanted, they're so good. And they get players from all over the Valley. They wanted to move them up with matter. Dan, all of them. And they, and they fought that. I mean, they, they went to court. Yeah. Yeah. Football is King at Oaks. Christian. I believe that they really think football, uh, draws the most people draws the most spirit draws, uh, the biggest profile to the school. Um, you know, even, even to attract just regular students, uh, thinking, Hey, you know, they got a great football team. Uh, they got good sports, you know? So the school has, has definitely hung their hat on football. Who's their football coach now, Jack? Well, it's, uh, it's, it's old, uh, the old ball coach, uh, uh, Bill Riddell is back. He, uh, started the program right when the school opened, uh, and he finally called it quits. And, um, after one season, um, he's back as, uh, I'm sorry, after two seasons away, he's now back as the head coach. And he used to be the coach at St. Francis years ago, right? Yeah. St. Francis and Crespi when he had the great running back, Russell white. That's right. That's right. So, so football is the big deal at Oaks Christian. And, and so let's go back to the basketball there. So this AJ Moyet, you said his name was? Yeah. AJ Moyet. Yeah. So he was let go. So who's their coach now? They have, been hired a new guy. Uh, this is about four weeks ago. They're taking applications, resumes. The athletic director told me, uh, a lot of people from all over the country have, have sent their stuff in. Um, I think a lot of people think they think it's like one of these $125,000 a year basketball only, no teaching jobs. And that's not the case. Uh, with that sport. It's not the case at all. Is it? No, that's not the case. There's probably, there's only a handful of schools in the country, uh, you know, that, that, that have that kind of a setup for, for their basketball coach. So tell us, I mean, is, is it a job that really isn't that great a job? Well, I mean, you'd have to say it's not that great of a job because look, look what's happened to the last three guys. You know, they, they parents got rid of the, the guy before Andre, they bring Andre in. He does a hell of a job. They get rid of the guy before Andre. They get rid of the guy before Andre. They get rid of the guy before Andre. They get rid of him. Then they bring in Moyet and things are going okay. And then all of a sudden something doesn't go right. As far as playing time or something. And now he's gone. I smell a story. Why would anybody want to take that job? I smell a story coming on in the daily news. Looking over your shoulder. And if you're not playing little Billy, you're probably going to be out of there. Right. Right. So, so how, how is it a good job? Yeah. But yet, yet what you're saying, Jack, you've talked to the, to the AD in your role as a reporter, which, which is, which is totally right that you do talk to the AD. Right. And you're asking what's going on. And he's telling you, we've got people applying from all over the country. Yeah. Yeah. Because, you know, they, because, because of what they've probably heard about football and, and the profile of the school, you know, they think it's a great job and they probably think there's like some hefty salary, but it's, it's, it's really a regular stipend, you know? So it's like any other high school. It's a two or $3,000 a year stipend to be the head coach. And your money comes from your teaching position, right? Right. Right. Right. Right. So, you know, it's a great school. Academics are good. It's a great area. Westlake village, beautiful campus, beautiful facilities, a great gym. All that stuff is, is, is great. You'll have, you'll have good kids to work with. So it's a good job from that standpoint, but you know, long-term stability or, you know, support from the administration probably lacking because they're, they're, they're always succumbing to the parents. Right. Right. Yeah. What you're saying makes sense. Now we've got a few more minutes. Let's, let's go back to some of your, your great memories from this year. Now you mentioned Aaron holiday in Campbell hall. You mentioned El Camino real winning the, the top level city title. Right. Tell me a little bit about any memories you have from watching Sylmar play this year. Yeah. That was my next one. Sylmar, a great story there this year, head coach, Borda, Skodo. I want to say 17th, 18th year at Sylmar. One of the longest tenured coaches in the city section, probably right behind Howie Levine at grant. So what a year for Sylmar. They win the division two championship one year after losing heartbreak in the semifinals, getting upset by Gardena. They pull it together. They responded. And it was great to see coach Skodo, you know, win a second ring. He won a three, a title in 1998. And you know, to see him do it 16 years apart, you know, it was kind of cool, kind of special. Yeah. He's one of the great characters. Always, always with a great quote for the paper. He, he is a group of kids this year that, that shared the ball and, you know, did what they had to do. He is a character, isn't he? Yeah, he is. He, he's, he's the king of the one liners or he's the king of like, just trying to stir up controversy, but all, all in, all in good fun, all in good nature. He's, he's just trying to promote the game out here for us. And he does do that. And, and he's done a really good job at some are obviously over the years. Now I didn't realize it was his second city title. For some reason, I thought he had won more than that. No, no, just, just that one in 1998. And he, he, they got moved up to the four a, to the, to the upper, upper division for a few years after 1998, so late nineties, early two thousands. And he had a chance to be Crenshaw on the road in the quarterfinals. Um, and a kid named Jeremiah Turner went in for a layup and got caught in between in the air. Didn't know whether to lay it up or dunk it. Oh, and missed. Oh boy. At Crenshaw, they would have won the game. Uh, so I'll, I'll never forget that. I was down there watching. I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, you know, that was heartbreak hotel for Sylmar, but, uh, coach Escoto, man, he's, he's been there forever. He's persevered, hasn't he? He got it done this year. Yeah. He's, he's persevered. Yeah. They got it done. They got it done. Well, you know, it's a real good kid. Six foot eight kid. Devin here to Russo. I like Devin here a lot. Yeah. Yeah. It could be headed to, uh, Washington state, San Jose state, Utah Valley state. A couple other schools have come in late. So, uh, well, I have to tell you, and I'm going to tell you here on the air is that, um, when, when the current staff at Washington state got hired, yeah, I called them and I told them about Devin here. Cause, cause Sylvie Dominguez and I talk, we've been friends for over 25 years and he said they were looking for a, like, a stretch for, right. And I said, you got to see this kid. Now at the time, Devin here told me the only offer he had was San Jose state. Right. And it sounded like to me, and I'm reading between the lines here, Jack, he didn't want to go there. Right. Okay. You know, hoping for something a little, a little bit better. Yeah. And you know, I mean, I'm not sure I'd want to go to San Jose state either, but, um, although I have to say, I want to, you know, great memory from playing there. I want to go there because my team at LA city college won a state championship in their arena, uh, on their floor. And that was back in 1997. So I, I do have some fond memories of San Jose state in San Jose. It's the same arena they play in today. It was a newer arena back then, about a 5,000 seat arena, but it's, it's not, um, they're not competitive in the mountain West conference. Right. They're not even competitive. So, so I told Sylvie Dominguez, uh, about Devin here. And, uh, to his credit, he came into town. He went to see Devin here on a Saturday morning. That was, I think three Saturdays ago. Yeah. And he liked him. And, um, I actually gave Sylvie his phone number as well. And, um, they, uh, been recruiting them since, and hopefully that'll work out for Devin here. And obviously for Sylmar and coaches Koto, because who wouldn't want to have a, a player from your program playing the pack 10. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And by the way, Jack, I say that intentionally, Chris knows it's the pack 10 plus two plus two other ones, plus two teams from the mountain time zone. I like that. Okay. This is not the pack 12. We do not call it the pack 12 here. It's the pack 10 plus two from the mountain time zone. I like that. That's a good one coach. So, um, you know, I'm sure you're rooting for Devin air to go. To the pack 10 and, and show what he can do and represent Sylmar and coaches Koto. Well, as I am. And, and, uh, I will take some credit for this because I did put, uh, Washington state on him and hopefully that'll work out. Um, now that said, you brought up something interesting when you talked about, uh, some are, and you started off by saying last year, they lost in the semifinals to Gardena. What did you call it? Heartbreak, uh, heartbreak hotel, heartbreak hotel. You're a funny guy. You're, you're a character too, just like coach Escoto. And just like me, you're a character too, Jack, maybe that's why you and I like each other so much and, and, and, and, and enjoy each other's company. But I was at that game and I sat at that game with you. We, we sat there in the corner of that gym at Venice high school together and watch that game. Right. Yeah. There you go. Good call. And, um, and one thing, Chris, I really, and I want to talk about Jack and how hard a worker he is. One thing I really admired, and I've never seen a reporter do this ever during the game. Jack was not only reporting, keeping his stats, getting his mind around his story, but Jack, what you did. And I was so impressed with it during the game. Every time you had an opportunity, you would send a tweet out. I think you were tweeting. Yeah. About what was going on at the game. Isn't that right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a, yeah, we're tweeting out. People want to, people want live up, up to the second updates and, you know, play by play, blow by blow. So, you know, that that's the world we live in now, social media, Twitter, Facebook, uh, you know, so, you know, we, I just, I just try and do, do my best job and get the information out there as soon as possible. And, and when you do the tweeting, cause again, I was so impressed with that. I mean, you were working so hard and I remember like every time out or every time you had an opportunity, you'd send out a tweet, like, like, just give us an example for our listeners. Like what's a typical tweet? Like, you know, just, just one or two, just give us an example. Like, what do you send out? You know, you know, you know, if the game, uh, you know, in the second half, uh, and the game, the game's going on, it's a tight game. You send out a tweet midway through the third quarter. And, you know, uh, the score and maybe who's the leading scorer or, you know, who, who, who just had a couple of baskets in a row, or if a team goes on a, you know, eight Oh run or 12 to two run, you know, you always tweet out the score, uh, the time and a, and a quick note, a quick little, you know, glancing note, uh, just to give the, the readers some, some info or some perspective. Hmm. Okay. Now, when you send out the tweets and, and forgive me, Jack, because you know, I'm kind of old school and I'm old, I'm low tech, you know, people nowadays, all my players have smartphones. I have a dumb phone, Jack. It's a little flip phone. It looks like a walkie talkie. I don't even do internet on it. So, you know, I don't really know exactly what a tweet is, but I guess they're, they're short messages. Is that what they are? Yeah. Just short, short character messages. I think it's, uh, I want to say like, I don't know, is it a hundred, a hundred and something words or less or 140 characters or less? That's it. 140 characters. So, so, you know, it's 140 letters or numbers basically. So you're probably looking at, uh, you know, like about 20 to 25 words. Okay. Now something like that. So you, you know, I, I tweet out a score like Sylmar 48, Garfield 42, DeRusso has 22 points. Chance Cole has 12 points, you know, four 22 to go in the third quarter. That's about it. Gotcha. Now, do you tweet that out from your own personal tweet account or is this from the, the daily news account? I mean, how, how does that work? Yeah, I, I, I actually set up when, when Twitter started to get hot, I set up a Twitter account with my name on it. And my, my, my Twitter name, would be DN preps for daily news preps. Oh, okay. And then, uh, that was before the daily news got really going with it. I just decided, Hey, I might as well do something here and get things going. And then the daily news got into the whole social media thing. And, uh, they started the official daily news Twitter, which is DN prep sports. Okay. So I can do both. Gotcha. Obviously they gave me the password to get into the, to the daily news one. So, um, you know, I, I can do both. Okay. Understood. So do you do both now when you're covering games and do you, my other question is, do you, every game you cover like a regular season game or whatever you, do you do the tweets during, during that game? Yeah. Yeah. It's basically expected of us now as part of our, our work that we, you know, the way we cover a game now is you show up to the game, you know, you fire up your computer, you got your, your smartphone available. And, um, you know, you're, you're tweeting out, uh, tweeting out updates, uh, you know, two updates a quarter, uh, is fair. Uh, you know, if it's a great game, maybe more, uh, extra one during a timeout or a dead ball or something. So, you know, we're, we're tweeting out, uh, you know, all throughout the game, keep people informed that aren't there because, uh, there's people out there that they can't make the game and they're just on their phone, just updating and refreshing. I found out how good, it could be. I found out how good it could be this year when I was going, I was, I traveled like crisscross Southern California so many times watching so many different, um, playoff games. And, you know, you could find out what's going on at the other games because people were tweeting about the games. Right. Right. Yeah. If you're following the right people on Twitter, you can get all the information you need from, from your couch and your living room. Right. Yeah. That's interesting. Now, Jack, before we go, I want to, uh, you know, you mentioned earlier, we, we spent some time, discussing this Oaks Christian, um, you know, I'm going to just call it what it is. Fiasco. Yeah. And, um, and I want to just say publicly that, that an administration that allows the parents to run the school is not a strong administration and they're not going to be successful in the long run, because if the parents are complaining about their kids playing time, the kids themselves are not learning the right values when they see their parents are getting, you know, people fired because they're not playing. Yeah. And moreover, you know, the staff that you were on when, when coach Andre Chevrolet was, was the coach there should not have been let go after this great success. He had, they hired him away from Cleveland high school. He left a good job to go over there and ultimately get screwed. And that's just not right. And, but what I want to, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, just, Nick Young would not be in the NBA today. Right. Andre Chevalier got Nick Young at Cleveland sort of on a lucky bounce. And if it wasn't for Chevalier, Nick Young would not have gone to USC, would have never made it there, and would not be in the NBA today and able to make millions of dollars and take care of his family. And I know that's true because I recruited Nick Young out of high school. I actually did a home visit with him when I was at L.A. City College. Right. There was a good chance he wasn't going to qualify. Well, a good chance. I had his transcript. He wasn't going to qualify. He was going to go to junior college. And we were in there. I mean, they took a home visit from us for that reason. And then he was able to get an extra year of high school. The city section allowed him to do that. Right. I believe because of his learning disability. Yeah. And the rest is history. He got that extra year. Coach Chevalier was able to get him to USC where, obviously, you know, he was an All-Pac-10 player and was drafted and has had a great NBA career. Now, I agree with you. Now, what I wanted to close out on, on our topic was when you had mentioned that Oaks Christian job was open. Yeah. What I wanted to do was a follow-up and say this to you because you know everything going on in the Valley regarding boys basketball. Right. Are there any other jobs open in the Valley right now other than Oaks Christian? That's my follow-up question. I'm trying to think here. The Malibu high school job just opened up a couple days ago. Oh, okay. Yeah. The coach there. The coach there took off after about three or four years. He's going to be the new head coach at Santa Clara. So Malibu is open. Agora High School was open, but they chose to move their girls coach over to the boys side. Okay. The Saugus High School job was open, but they just hired a guy named Bill Bedgood, who used to be the coach at Notre Dame and Sherman Oaks. Oh, yeah. I know Bill. Yeah. Bill's a good guy. Other than that, there's not a lot of jobs open right now. Right. That was going to be my conclusion is, and that's why I wanted to ask you, is it doesn't seem like there's a lot of jobs open in the Valley considering there's, you know, as you mentioned earlier, you guys cover about 100 schools in your area. There's not very many jobs open, Chris, for this time of year. Right. Oh, not right now. I think we're going to hear a few more here in May. May is a good year for, I mean, a good month for some jobs to open up. Okay. They like to fill these jobs early June so they get a guy in there before the summer. So I'm sure there'll be a couple more openings here that, you know, some coaches are going to decide to not, you know, hang it up, come back or whatever. Okay. Yeah, you never know. I mean, the LA Unified District Schools, you'll see a few openings there. I bet in the next month or so. We've got about two more questions for him. Okay. Just to end up, who's the best team that you saw this year? And real quick as a Twitter answer, who are some of the teams to watch out for next year? Well, I mean, the best team that I saw this year was Mater Dei. Okay. You know, they were just, they were unbelievable. Unbelievable. You know, they were unbeatable. They didn't lose a game. Well, they came close a couple times. Best player ever in Orange County. Right. One of the best players ever in Southern California. Right. You know? Who's the best team in the Valley you saw this year? Well, in the Valley, the best teams were Chaminade, El Camino Real, and Sierra Canyon. Now, Jack. That's one thing I totally missed on, guys, is... Sierra Canyon. Sierra Canyon. That was an amazing... That was a great memory. Sierra Canyon with the fantastic freshmen, the four freshmen over there. And what a year. They had 29-4. Yeah, amazing year. And like you said, young players. Now, they beat Mater Dei, I believe, in the Fall League. In the Fall League. And that was a big deal. But as you both, you know, know, Jack and Chris, it's the Fall League. It doesn't really count. Yeah, it means absolutely nothing. Matter Dei was undefeated. It was undefeated when it counted during the regular season. Now, the thing that, though, Jack, that I guess I would ask you is, who would have won? Because I was really disappointed in El Camino. They lose in the first game in the state tournament at home. Yeah, they got a bad draw. Yeah. Bad draw. Yeah, they did. But they were still at home. Yeah. And, you know, I mean, you got to win. You know, if you're going to win the state tournament, you got to win some games. Yeah. So... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.! Yeah. power, great program. And Etiwanda was off for 10 days resting and practicing. And El Camino had just beaten Westchester, which was the biggest deal for them. Westchester meant more to them than state playoffs. No question. I agree with that. They kind of came in, you know, with the air out of the balloon. Yeah. No, that makes sense. I mean, I'm picking up what you're laying down. Yeah. But I guess my last question to close it out, and we're really past our time, but this is an important question. Yeah. El Camino or Chaminade, who was better? Chaminade. That's a tough one. You know, if you put a gun to my head, I'm going to say Chaminade. Chaminade. I'm going to say Chaminade. They played a very tough game. Tough schedule. Went through the Mission League. Played in the Open Division playoffs. And then win a Division III state title. And they did it with, you know, guys out and, you know, some other adversity and stuff. But El Camino Real was playing some of its best basketball at the end of January and through February. Right. So if they played a game mid-March, it could go either way. If they played the middle of the season, Chaminade was the better team. Gotcha. That makes sense, Jack. That's a great answer and well explained. Now, we really enjoyed having you on the show. We'd like to bring you back sometime down the road and just keep focusing on high school basketball in the Valley, which I think, in my view, you're the king of that. So, again. And just real quick. Sorry. Sorry to go over time, Chris, to answer that question. Next year. Watch out for Chaminade, Campbell Hall, Sierra Canyon. I'm going to give you those three. Okay. Chaminade, Campbell Hall, Sierra Canyon. Now, Chaminade has enough guys back, Jack, to. Yeah. They got a 6'10". Next year, he'll be a junior. Trevor Stanback, the brother of Chase Stanback. Chase Stanback. And they've got a great guard named Michael Ogini. Michael Ogini. Okay. Okay. And Sierra Canyon is supposed to have all their guys back. But you never know what's going to happen with transfers and guys coming in. No. And Campbell Hall should be really good with three, maybe four top players back. You never know. Like you said, guys end up moving and being all over the place. Yeah. And you just don't know. It's wild and crazy. And another dark horse is Crespi. They got three 11th graders. Three sophomores that'll be 11th graders next year. So they're going to be real tough. They're always well coached. You know, I was just about to say, very, very good coach. Very, very good coach at Crespi. So, Jack, it's been great to have you on. We're going to invite you back down the road here to come back on. And, you know, thank you for your expertise and sharing with our listeners, you know, your insights into high school basketball. Yeah, great. No problem, Coach Miller and Chris. Love to be back. Just call me anytime. 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