Coach Jody King and Jack Poland discuss basketball

Welcome to Time Out with Coach Mike Miller. Coach Miller is the basketball coach with the most wins in LACC history, coaching his teams to a national record of 14 straight conference championships, breaking UCLA's old record of 13. Coach Miller is the first basketball coach in California basketball history to win a state championship at both the high school and college levels. Coach Miller has been honored as Coach of the Year 18 times and has produced almost 100 Division I players. For the next two hours, get ready for stats, facts, rants, and your opportunity to chat with one of the most successful basketball coaches in the entire country and his friends. Time Out with Coach Mike Miller. Hey there. Welcome. Welcome back. We're here. It's a week later, but we are back on the air. We are at Skid Row Studios, and this is Time Out with Coach Miller. Hey, Chris. It's good to see you. You've been gone a month. Yeah. The last time I was here, the high school season hadn't ended yet. We were still in the middle of March Madness, and now it's a month later. Yeah. And then March Madness has come and gone, and I feel kind of this big letdown because, as you know, Chris, although I did spend a year with the Lakers, Phil's last year there, I'm not really an NBA guy. I never have been. And I'm not now. You're not now? No. Why is that? I guess over outside of the Lakers because I'm a diehard Laker fan, but it's just after that, it's just to me the professional game is just horrible now. Yeah, it is horrible. I mean, you know, they run five. They run three plays the whole game, you know, pick and roll either side, isos for one person. I mean, it's just you're looking at the same thing for every team, every game. You know, you make a good point, and what's interesting is they'll trade a guy in the middle of the year, and he'll play the first game that he's with the new team in the NBA. It's like, how could that be? That can never happen in college or high school. Right. I mean, you'd have to at least. You'd have to at least learn the offense, right? Or a couple of plays. Well, you would think that you would learn the offense, but I mean, nowadays, there's no offense to learn. Well, that's your point is that nowadays, there's no offense to learn. So, but anyway, the NBA, frankly, is boring. The Lakers are trash, and I don't see them getting any better under the current stewardship and, shall I say, ownership of the team. Jerry Buss must be. Spinning around in his grave. Well, he, he let his, I don't know, he let his son and his daughter, they're supposed to work together. They're not working together. The son has, the prodigal son has taken over, and I don't know. I mean, everybody says they see where they have a plan going on or whatever, but. What plan? I don't see a plan. They see it. I mean, maybe, you know, maybe it's not for us to see. Maybe it's just to sit back and watch, but, you know. Yeah, well, you're a Laker fan, and you don't see any plan, do you? Well, I see a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel. What's that? And it's a faint glimmer, but it's a glimmer. I think we needed to be bad this year. You know, middle of the road, making the playoffs and being the eighth seed and losing in the first round wasn't going to be good for us. So, you know, in the NBA, you either got to be. Really good or really bad. There's no middle road. Middle teams don't get better. Yeah, well, the Lakers weren't even in the middle. They were really bad. I mean, did you see how many points they gave up? Well, they, I mean, they played no defense, and, you know, that's D'Antoni's style is, you know, I think I'm going to outscore you. You look at people like Paul Westhead, that was his philosophy, but his teams play defense. So, but the lottery coming up, you know. If they can get a good player in the lottery, if they can get like a top three or four pick, you know, maybe they could do something. Yeah, but Chris, let's be honest. These guys are young. Very few of the young guys come into the league and actually turn things around. Now, the young guard at Portland did from Weber State. Right. Lillard? Damian Lillard. Yeah, I mean, he did. But you can't really name. In the last year or two, a young player that's come into the league and really just like kind of turned things around for his team. No, and in the Lakers situation, he really won't be counted on. I mean, you still have Kobe there. Unfortunately, you still have Nash there. Oh, my God. Yeah. He's horrible. I think they're going to, I think they're going to ride out Kobe, and they're going to try to, I mean, do what they've always done, which is to make a splash in the free agency. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think this year is a wash. I don't think they're going to get any of the guys that are going to opt out like LeBron or whoever else. Nor do I want, well, you know, of course you would want LeBron, but like, you know, they're talking about Carmelo Anthony. I'd seriously consider my Laker fandom if they got Carmelo Anthony. Right. I got you. Well, you know what? We're going to have to talk more about this later. But what I do want to say to kind of wrap things up on this topic is even if the Lakers got a top three or four pick in the first round. I'm not sure. You know, you're talking about probably Wiggins and Parker, right, of the top two of the top three or four players. Those guys are not ready to come in the NBA and really do a lot to help a team. Well, like I said, I don't see this as a one-year turnaround. Like, I don't see them turning this around within a year. It's going to be like a two or three, maybe four-year project. And I can roll with that, you know what I mean? But you have to see some type of progression. After this year, you have to see some type of progression. I mean, I just read an article earlier tonight where they said D'Antonio's going to come back, which kind of makes sense because you're not going to be good next year either. You know what I mean? So let him take the L's and then fire him at the end of the year. Yeah, and then, you know, see what's going to happen with the draft this year and, you know, come back next year. And, you know. You know, see where Kobe's at after all these injuries. See if he can come back. I mean, I think these injuries are kind of good for him in a way because he's played so much basketball over the years that, you know, it's basically he's got a year rest, a year and a half rest. So, you know, see where he can come back next year. And like I said, it's not going to be a one-year deal. It's going to take about two, three, four years. So whoever they get in a draft this year, if they can get somebody good, they're not going to be. They're facing a franchise anyway. You know what I mean? So they'll have time to progress over the next couple of years to see where they're going to be. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Well, listen, let's get to our business here at hand. First of all, before we get started, Chris, I like to always introduce everybody. We've got Scott here in the sound booth. And, Scott, welcome back. You're still training, right? Yes, sir. Okay, well, you're doing a good job training. I like it. And I've got Jeremy here. Jeremy? Hey. Hey, have you heard anything from that crazy caller, Nurse Barb? Not yet, but, you know, the night is young, so we'll see what happens. Okay, well, keep me informed and keep her off the air if you don't mind. I will. Okay, beautiful. And I've got my main guy over here, Chris Maxwell. Chris was my favorite former power forward who held down the paint for a couple of years back in the day, Chris. Yeah, about 23 years ago. Is that how long it was? Yeah, yeah. It's like a lifetime, isn't it? It seems like it. No, I'm not going to ask you how old you are, but I know 23 years is over half your life, right? Yeah. Yeah, okay. A little over half. Okay, well, so it's a long time. Yeah. Okay, so, and it's good to have you back on the show. Thank you, thank you. You took a little vacation. Yeah, I have a couple other jobs, and one of them kind of needed me for a while, so I... I took a couple weeks off, but now I'm back, and... You took a little vacation time from time out with Coach Miller and Skid Row Studios, and it's good to have you back. Thank you. So, hey, I'm excited. We've got a great guest who's on the air with us now, and we're going to bring him on, and this is Coach Jody King from Hostos College, which is in New York City. Let me see if Coach King is there. Coach King, are you there? Yes, I am. Good evening, gentlemen. Oh, excellent to have you on the air, and I'm excited because, Coach King, you guys had a great season this year. Yeah, tell us about it. Well, first of all, Coach Miller, I heard you guys talking about the Los Angeles Lakers, and this is the first time ever I think the New York general population was rooting for the Nets. Go figure that. In April, every New Yorker was rooting for the Brooklyn Nets tonight, not the New York Knicks. Go figure that one out. Wow, and they are the Brooklyn Nets. Last time I saw you in New York City, I think we talked about going to a Nets game, but they were in New Jersey, right? They were in New Jersey at the time, playing at the Izod Center, and now they're at the Barclays Center in the heart of Brooklyn, and I don't know too many people that were not there tonight. So how about that? In New York City, the main attraction is the Brooklyn Nets and not the Phil Jackson-led New York Knicks. Now, have you been to that new Barclays Center? Oh, it's beautiful. Is it? It's absolutely beautiful, yeah. I can imagine. Yeah, it's beautiful. It's very dark. It's like a club. I guess that's how Jay-Z wanted it to be, but the sight lines are excellent. It's got that vibrant electric crowd to it when the place is packed, and, I mean, it was rocking tonight. It's a great night to see the Nets win tonight. Now, was that on the old site of Evans Field or right adjacent to it or something like that? That's on the side of the Atlantic Yards. Okay. So pretty much when you come over the Brooklyn Bridge, it's pretty close to Westinghouse High School Junior's Cheesecake, which a lot of people love to go to Junior's for their cheesecake. I've heard about it. Hey, Coach King, you and I have been to Junior's before to eat. What? A late-night dinner and have some cheesecake. Yes, we have. Yes, we have. Those were the good old days. Yeah, they were. Now, there's more than one Junior's. Is there two of them now or one? Oh, well, there's quite a few. It's branched out quite a bit. But the main Junior's is still obviously the one in Brooklyn. They have one in Times Square and a couple of different outlet ones throughout the city. Wasn't the one we used to go to the one, it was near LIU? Yep. The one in Brooklyn. Yeah, that's what I thought. That's what I thought. Interesting. So go ahead. Tell us about, go back to your story. Well, first of all, I'm just honored to be on the show. And Coach Miller, you know, I know everyone knows, but you're a legend in this business and really a coaching icon. And I'm just honored to have the opportunity to share the airwaves with you. So thank you for having us on. And we had a great year this year. Hostess Community College, 26 of 5. Finished ranked seventh in the country in NJCA, National Junior College polls. And we won the CUNY Championship. And we happened to lose in the semifinals of the region to Sullivan Community College. But it was just a great run. And most wins in school history going back to when Hostess won the National Championship in 2004-05. And we wound up with Tyree White getting second team All-American last week. So we're very happy with that. Myself, it was my second Coach of the Year award. And I'm in the CUNY. No India close to, I think, your 18 straight Coach of the Year awards. But I'm at two. Let's see if we can keep that going. I think it was 18 out of 19. I don't think it was 18 straight. I think I had one bump in the road there or somewhere along the way. But it was a good run, 18 out of 19. And I appreciate you acknowledging that. It makes me feel good to remember the good old days. Well, you guys can see Coach is humbled because it's not 18 in a row. It's just 18 out of 19. Yeah, yeah. We had some great players like Chris Maxwell was one of them. And we had some great assistant coaches helping me along that path. And I'm excited because, you know, you've just turned this whole thing around at Hostos Community College. And I remember a couple years back when you were the head coach at Maritime College. Maritime College. Chris, Maritime is, I'm going to let Coach King tell it, but it was right on the ocean. And I visited his campus there when he was the head coach. They were Division III. Division III, for our listeners, means they don't have basketball scholarships. But Coach King got the job there, I think it was the 07-08 year. Is that right, Coach? Correct. And you went in there and you almost had a winning record your first year. And then your second year, you nudged it up a little bit over 500. And your third year, you almost won 20 games. You were 19-8. Yep. And that was the most wins in school history, right? Correct. And it was, Chris, Maritime College, it was kind of like, I think it was the Merchant Marine. Is that what it was, Coach? Well, there's a couple different schools. You have the Merchant Marine Academy. Which in New York City is known as King's Point. And then you have Maritime, which is City Maritime. And that's for the Merchant Marines itself, but it's not the Merchant Marine Academy. Okay. But when you were there, because I went and visited your campus once, it was right on the ocean, and I think that there were some, weren't the students involved with going on the ocean and boats and stuff? And wasn't it some sort of training for, you know, going out into the Merchant Marine or the Coast Guard or some such thing? Coach, you're absolutely correct. It was a school funded by the State of New York. So it was a SUNY school, State University of New York. And it was at Maritime College. Maritime College is located in the frog's neck section of the Bronx. For those that don't know, the Bronx is one. It's one of the boroughs of New York City. And it was actually located right under the frog's neck bridge. And the frog's neck bridge connected you from Long Island to the Bronx. So it was a conduit to get in and out of New York City. And we had this beautiful college on the water right under this bridge. And it was a place where, it was a place where young men and women could come and get a degree and work towards the field of Merchant Marine. And really get their degree, whether it be business or license or a license on the ship or so forth and so on. And you had either cadets or you had non-cadets that were in uniform or not in uniform that participated going to the school. It was a great, great experience, especially as a first-time coach. It was just a great learning experience in terms of being at something completely unique and something different and realizing that, that every college is not run on basketball. Right. Now, were all of your players part of that same program where they would learn to go on the boats and sail? Or was that sort of optional? It was optional. It depended upon each recruit and what they wanted to do. For example, Giovanni Hurley, who was a non-regiment student, they basically, they were referred to as regiment or non-regiment. And Giovanni Hurley, he was a non-regiment student and he graduated from Hostos, so he's now a supervisor at Con Ed, which is a major business and company here in New York City. So right out of college, he got an excellent job and I'm very happy for him. And then you have a regiment student like Tim Daugherty, who worked six months on a ship and then trains the other six months and he fights in the Golden Gloves here in New York City and he's fought the last two years in the heavyweight championship, and he fights for the Golden Gloves. So a lot of avenues, a lot of different things you can do in the regiment and non-regiment for Marathon College. Yeah, interesting. So it was kind of a neat college. You were there for three years and then you, and then you, for the one season after you left, what did you do before you went to Hostos? Coach, I did what you're doing now. I did a lot of radio and TV broadcasting. Okay. I did a lot of radio and TV broadcasting. I did a lot of radio and TV broadcasting. I did a lot of radio and TV broadcasting. It was great to have me on and do a lot of local broadcasts for NCAA Division III College Basketball as well as the NCAA Division III College Basketball Tournament that was sponsored by Turner Sports. That's when Turner Sports had gotten the contract. So they contracted us all out to do the tournament. And it was just as much as you love doing what you're doing right now, I love being behind that microphone and really sharing, and trying to give a basketball with everybody. Go ahead, Chris. You had a question? Oh, no, I was going to ask, well, you had answered my question. I was going to ask how'd you like doing that, but it seems like you liked it a lot. Oh, it was great. I can scream and yell at everyone. I'm not going to technical. Typical New Yorker there, Chris. That's the typical New York attitude. I think that's a typical coach. So Coach King then went to Hostos Community College, where you are now, and you've just completed, you completed your third year there. And your first year, again, almost won 20 games. Your second year, you went over 20 wins. You went 23 and seven. And I think you won the regular season conference championship, right? Correct. And the tournament too. The conference tournament, right? This year we did. Oh, your second year you won, what then? The regular season title? We won the regular season title, correct. Gotcha. And then this year, your third year, you won the regular season title again. And the conference tournament as well. Yes. Okay. Now how many teams are in the conference? There's six teams in the conference. We added a team this year, LaGuardia Community College. So you have six teams. So you play everybody twice. So that means you played 10 conference games this year. Correct. Okay. And you have a kind of a remarkable record, Chris. He has over a three-year period of time, you've got this conference win streak, right, coach? Correct. And that's what? How many games? We added LaGuardia Community College this year. So we played 10 conference games. But the previous two years we played eight. And we have a 21-game win streak heading into next season. Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. So that means, Chris, they won their last three conference games his first year. Then they won eight his second year, won eight and 0, and then this year went 10 and 0. That's the 21 in a row. That sounds like my high school career in our league. Yeah. Because I only lost, we only lost like three games in my whole high school career in our league. But Chris, coach is being humbled because I learned it from all the years of watching him at L.A. City College and winning 10 conference championships. And I'm not saying that I'm going to be the only one that's going to win 10 championships in a row. You know, this is my pedigree. This is where I learned how to do it. So we're only starting to scratch the surface. Okay. So you got a couple more years to go to catch them. Wherever we are, that's the goal, just to win as many as we can. Game by game. Yep. Well, we had a great run at L.A. City College and Coach King used to come out, Chris, a couple of times, a couple of different times he'd come out from New York and sit in the old gym, the old men's gym, as Scott used to call it, the Y-nasium, and watch games. I remember it well. Yeah, he'd come and watch pregame shoot around and watch, you know, our game day walkthroughs and stuff. And he'd come out and it was really good to have him. And he enjoyed watching us play. In fact, Coach King, I remember one time you came out and I think that same game we had Frankie Allen, who was an old friend of mine who was the head coach at Howard University at the time. Yes. And Frankie was just let go. He was at Maryland Eastern Shore, I think. And he was just let go. He'd been there for four or five years. He was just let go as the head coach at the end of the season. So, yeah, we go back a ways, Coach King. And, you know, I have to tell you, there is, Chris, a rumor going around that, and I'm going to see if I can pull it up. It's actually on the internet. So I'm not, I'm not, I'm not going to, you know. Start anything that's not already out there. Yeah, I mean, Coach King, I wouldn't say this, but I read somewhere, I wouldn't put you on the spot, but I read somewhere that, that I'm trying to find it so that here it is. It's on hoopdirt.com. I'm going to read it, Chris. Two separate sources have told me that the Mercy New York job has been offered to Dr. Jody King. Now, Coach King is also a doctor. PhD. So, yeah, I sometimes call him when I want to tease him, Dr. Coach King. But it says here that the Mercy New York job has been offered to Dr. Jody King. He is currently the head coach at Hostess New York College. And has been an assistant at a bunch of New York area colleges. An official announcement is expected shortly. Now, I don't want to get anyone in trouble. And I certainly don't want to put Coach King on the spot. But I'm just acknowledging, and I'm not, Chris, I'm not starting any trouble because this is on right now. I just read it verbatim. Hoopdirt.com. Now, is that Mercy College, the Division I College? No, Mercy. Oh, Mercy. Oh, Mercy. Mercy, New York. It's a Division II scholarship, NCAA Division II scholarship situation. Coach King, where is Mercy College located? Mercy College is located in Dobbs Ferry, New York. Okay. Now, if you had to tell our listeners or our viewers where that is, if you were here in studio with this, I might put you up and have you draw a little map. But if you had to tell our listeners, where that is in relation to, say, Maritime College, can you help us discern that? Well, you know, it's funny. You find these things on the internet. Watch it so fun on the internet that I lost 100 pounds and I'm ready to star in some fancy movie somewhere. Oh, wow. Well, I think that's Coach King's way of deflecting this rumor on the internet, Chris. And that's okay. Like I said, I'm not putting him on the spot. I didn't ask him a question about it other than where is it located? I figured that... You gotta love Coach Miller. But, Coach, it's located in Dobbs Ferry, New York, which is about 25, 20 to 25 minutes north of New York City. Okay. Okay. And it is a Division II NCAA scholarship school, though? Yes, it is. Okay. So, you see, Chris, I have not usually done my... You know, my normal thing, which is to step on someone's toes and to, you know, make outlandish predictions and statements, like I normally do on every show, but I'm not doing that with Coach King because he's our guest. And all I asked him was, where is the school located and are they a Division II scholarship school? That's all I asked, Chris. We don't... I mean, well, I mean, if somebody wanted to break a story on here, he certainly could. But, yeah, we don't have to, you know, put any pressure on and ask a yes or no question. Guys, I look at it this way, and Coach has gone a long way back with me. There was a time when just to even get a head coaching interview was non-existent. I mean, Coach, I'm sure you remember the days when I was assistant coach. I went... Before I even became a head coach, I went through six years of interviews, guys. So, for six years, I was interviewed to be a head coach, and no one ever wanted to give me an opportunity. And that was a lot of interviews, too. It wasn't like, you know, one or two. I mean, you were on that run there for a while. Lots of rejections. About 18, which is amazing because you'd think I'd be happily married right now or I'd be going out on a date every night with a different woman because I'd be happy with all being able to handle rejection. But that's not the case. I guess only in basketball I can handle rejection. But... But... But if you look in terms of those six years... How many rejections did you get in six years of interviewing to be a head coach? I would say about 18. 18, Chris. I used to... I used to get these calls from Coach King, and back then he wasn't a doctor yet. He was... He was studying to be... Still one in graduate school. Yeah, he was still being... Studying to be a doctor, but Coach King used to call, and I think I... I think I remember almost all 18 of those rejections. Mm-hmm. But... But... But... But... But... But... But... But... This is what I always say, Chris, and you remember this from the time you played for me. Little saying I like, Coach King, I will persist until I succeed. You remember that one, Chris? Mm-hmm. I will persist until I succeed, and that's what Coach King has done. And when he finally got the opportunity, like I said, at SUNY Maritime... Yep. He left as one of the most winning coaches in the history of the program. Remarkable job. When he took over SUNY, they were at the bottom of the table. They were at the bottom of D3. When he left, they were one game short of 20 wins. Wow. Then he goes to host us and rebuilds that program. This year, 26-5, right, Coach? Yep, 26-5. Okay, well, another great run now. We're going to take a short commercial break. When we come back, I want to talk a few more minutes about your team this year, specifically your players on the team and how they were and who's recruiting them and so on. But first, we got to pay some bills, Coach King. 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And welcome back, Coach King. Hello, gentlemen. Wow. He's getting a standing O. He's getting a standing O. Coach King. You're. You're welcome, Coach. You're welcome, Coach. You're welcome, Coach. You're welcome, Coach. You're welcome, Coach. You're welcome, Coach. You're welcome, Coach. You're welcome, Coach. You're welcome, Coach. You're welcome, Coach. You're welcome, Coach. You're welcome, Coach. You're welcome, Coach. You're welcome, Coach. You're welcome, Coach. You're welcome, Coach. You're welcome, Coach. You're welcome, Coach. You're welcome, Coach. You're welcome, Coach. Stop clapping. That 26-5, that's some powerful stuff, Coach. Well, let's keep clapping. I don't mind the applause. It's late here in New York City. I'll take it all night. Yeah, it is late there. And wait, there's someone wanting to get in our studio here. Wait, who is that? Oh, that's not someone. That is Chris with a question. All right, Coach, 26-5, that was a really good year. Now is the most that you've won at Hostess College. Tell us about your season. Well, like I said earlier, guys, I mean, we just had a great year. You know, it started early when we beat the number two team in the country in Sullivan Community College at our place. And we just went on a big run. And we were led by Tyree White and Anthony Rose and Dane Bailey and Teron Pascal. And, you know, it was a team that just wanted to win. And really fought together and fought hard. And, you know, again, we just bought into what we always do, which was our motto for this year, which was remain status quo. So through a lot of changes that were taking place throughout the college, we wanted to remain status quo. And status quo to us is really hard work and dedication and doing things the right way. And, you know, this was a culmination of really, you know, what we did at Marathon and what we were doing. And, you know, we're still doing it. And we're still doing it at Hostos. And, again, the guys had a great year. You know, and I can't speak enough about how happy I am for their success and the success of Hostos Community College. Now, 26-5, do you remember the wins or do you remember the losses? That's a great question. Someone said to me today, I only remember the losses I had each year. Right, Coach Miller? Well, what I said to you, I think it was yesterday, maybe when we talked, was, and this is the truth, because now, as you know, Coach King, I'm a volunteer coach at L.A. College Prep. And we're a fifth-year post-grad prep school. And I honestly don't know our record. And I have people ask me all the time. So what I say is the truth. I say, well, we lost nine times. That I know, Chris. I know how many times we lost. But I don't know how many games we won. We could have won 40. We could have won 38. We could have won 42. I don't know. We played a lot of games. But I do know we lost nine times, and we won a lot. Okay? So that's the truth, Coach King. Now, as a volunteer, I'm not getting paid to do this. So I guess it's not quite as important, in a sense, to know my record. Because I don't really, you know, put it on a resume. And I don't really, you know, put it on my, you know, website, CoachMiller.net. I don't put it out there because, you know, it's not that big a deal. I'm just trying to do this to help people get into universities and try to change some lives the best way we can, which is through basketball. Now, basketball is our tool to help do that. Now, but for you to go to Chris's question, Chris was asking, I guess, well, do you remember the wins or the losses more? And I guess I'm going to let you answer that. I mean, you kind of brought me into this. And I was letting Chris handle this thing. But I'm going to let you answer that. Okay. Okay. I'm going to turn it back over to your answer on Chris's question. Well, I mean, I think Coach makes a valid point in that we're always going to help the student-athlete. And that's really our role. And that's really what we're here to do. And if we can, you know, I remember Coach Hoppert telling me, Coach Hoppert was the legendary coach at UChida University. He was just released after 43 years of service here in New York City as the head coach. And he said to me, he said something very poignant this year, which was, we get to help create the dreams that our student-athletes help live on the basketball court. And in turn, they help to create the moments that we never forget as coaches. Oh, that's a great line. Now, when you say Coach Hoppert was released, does that mean he was let go? Or does that mean he retired? Let go after 43 years as the head coach of UChida University. Wow. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's a great man, and he's just an unbelievable coach in person. And even at UChida University, back in the day, they had a couple of players drafted to go in the NBA from UChida. So, you know, I'm very proud to say I'm, you know, part of Coach Hoppert's family and so forth and so on. But it kind of lends, guys, to what you guys were both talking about, was, yeah, we won 26 games, and these were moments that the student athlete, and the coaches got to live together. If it was easy, everybody would be able to do it. Now, for me, I mean, I look at being up 10 against Sullivan in the regional semifinal with a chance to go on to the Nationals if we can win this game and the day after. And all I remember is Tron Briggs hitting a three-point shot, which started a run for them, which we couldn't hold them back from. And we wound up losing the game in the final minutes. So for me, I barely slept. I want to get back on the court, and I want to get back to teaching. But for our student-athletes, it was just a magical year, Chris. Now, Coach, usually when we have guests that come in, they bring players in, and I like messing with the players, but I like grilling them and asking them different questions. And one of the questions I usually ask them is, what do they think their strengths and weaknesses, and weaknesses are on the team? You know, getting a kid to answer that, because now he has to think probably for the first time, like, what is it that I do well? What is it that I don't do well? This is going to be the first time I ask a coach this. What do you think your strengths and weaknesses are as a coach? Well, if you ask the players that, they would tell you it's all about them, and I don't really do that much. I guess that's a New York City attitude more than anything else. Right. Yeah. I mean, the strength of a coach at a junior college level, and Coach Miller touched on this before, is really we're there for the student-athletes. And our job is really to help them grow and develop and move them on to a four-year level. Because if we don't, then where are they going to go after us? They go to the streets, and they go and play in the parks and basically chase a dream, a fantasy that will never come true. Right. So, you know, I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing. I think that's a good thing. That's where they go if they don't matriculate from a junior college or community college. So it's a very serious business, and getting them into a community college and getting them out of the community college is very, very important. It's not to be taken lightly. Correct. And especially with us, I mean, let's call it what it is. I mean, we're a junior college. We're a Division III junior college in a CUNY conference. Right. It's a city university of New York. We're everyone's last choice. So we're recruiting our team in July and August when, first of all, most of our schools have stopped admitting students. So now we're trying to get these young men into schools at the last minute and trying to put teams together at the last minute and really trying to mold them and help them develop into better men, better student athletes, and better people overall. And it's not an easy job. It's not an easy position by any stretch of the imagination. Well, I have a question for you, Coach King. I mean, I know Chris is talking about your season, but I have a question for you. You were 26-5, but I noticed that you played a team called Nassau, and you lost to them twice. Now, who are they, and why are they so good? Are they from Long Island? Yes, they are from Long Island. And they had a great team this year. We have the best. We actually played them twice. The first time we played them, we played them without Jabbar Jefferson and Dehaina Bailey most of the game. But we did have Kyrie White that game. It was an unbelievable game. We were actually down 17 with about two minutes to go. We come all the way back, and we're up one with 15 seconds left. And we wound up losing on a shot that Nassau made at the end to win the game. It was just one of those, I don't want to say crazy, but it really was just one of those crazy, nail-biting college basketball games. Now, they're not part of your league or your conference, right? But you did play them twice. Correct. They are in our region. So in order to get to the Nationals, you would have to face them in the regional final. Are they also a Division III JUCO? Yes, they are. Okay. And Sullivan is same thing. They're not in your league or conference, but your region? Correct. Okay. Now, are Sullivan and Nassau two of the better, you know, powerhouse-type schools at this level? Oh, traditionally. I mean, Sullivan, Cle Anthony Early, who just played for Wichita State, he came from Sullivan two years ago, Sullivan Community College. And Nassau Community College has always been a powerhouse going back to years. A.J. Wines is a coach at Nassau, averages, I think, about anywhere from 17 to 21 this season in his 20-plus years at Nassau Community College. So these are two of the more powerhouses. I'm sorry. Oh, no, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt you. Now, you guys have three different divisions for your junior colleges out there? Yes, we have three different divisions, one, two, and three. Okay. And then, so like you said, most of the Division I and II JCs out there get pretty much the pick-up line. Do you get to pick a litter? Correct. Not only do we get to pick a litter, but most of them are predominantly all scholarship. Okay. So then how do you find most of your players? That's a great question. You know, it's amazing because there's no right or wrong answer. And I learned years ago by my good friend Coach Miller that if you want to find a player, you've got to work harder than everybody else. Right. You're not going to find that player at that random event that all the coaches are at to watch the players play. You have to work harder. You have to get in the gym when nobody's in the gym. And, you know, you've got to watch these guys play on these Tuesday, Wednesday nights, these leagues that nobody's watching. And you've got to go to workouts that nobody knows about, but you know about it because, you know, hey, you have a little bit more connections than everybody else. And then you've got to build that network. And you have to build that network of, you know, based upon your own student athletes and relying on them to help keep recommending players to the program. Right. There's no set way. There's no set way how to do it. I consider myself an excellent recruiter. And it's just because we get out and we work hard. I mean, it's... One of the most important elements of recruiting is first the evaluation of a player. Right. Like, for example, I mean, I didn't have to recruit Chris when he played for me. Because when I took the job at Rebay, he was already there. But still, to use him as an example, when I watch him play, to evaluate him properly, to see what his strengths and weaknesses are, and in fact to, you know, figure out what he needs to, you know, do to be even better. Yeah. And I think, Coach, you're absolutely right. So your evaluation comes before your recruiting. Like, you go somewhere. You might be at an open gym situation at a YMCA, let's say. And you're sitting there watching and you're not even sure who you're going to see. And then you see someone that you evaluated and you say, oh, this guy's really good. And then you can start recruiting him. Right. Because if the player's not too good, you're not going to... You're not going to really want to recruit him. Right. Or maybe you see a guy that, you know, that you think is good that other people don't think is good. Maybe you see something in him that others don't see. I know for me, that happened all the time. I mean, I really... I would see things in people, not just in basketball, but in life, like with you, Coach King. I mean, I saw things in you. I saw a future head coach in you, despite you getting the 18... 18 rejections. I didn't ever think of you differently or look down upon you and say, oh my God, you know, this is a problem and he's not going to be a head coach or he's not going to be successful. You know, I saw something in you that led me to believe that you would be a head coach and be a successful one. I mean, if you think about it, Chris, he goes 0 for 18 and he's not going to be a head coach. He's going to be a head coach. And he gets a job and he was very successful. I mean, very successful at Maritime. And now, again, very, very successful at Hostos. So anyway, hey, look, let me give out our phone number. It's 1-800-893-9562. If you have a question for Coach King, because we're not going to keep you on too much later, Coach. It's almost two in the morning in New York City, right? It's almost two in the morning. I'm ready for a bagel and some rocks. Yeah, it's almost breakfast time there in New York City. Hey, I miss hanging out with you in New York City. This is the first year, first spring that I haven't been to New York in a long time. I might come in the summer so that we can hang out and go down to some of our favorite delis and stuff. And you remember my favorite steakhouse, Uncle Jack's. Uncle Jack's, oh my God. But again, maybe we could be mavericks amongst New York City. Yeah, yeah. So anyway, let me give out our number, 1-800-893-9562. If you have a question for Coach King, call in. Hey, do we have a caller calling in, Scott? Okay, put him on. We've got a call, Coach. Caller, you're on the air. Caller, you're on the air. Go ahead. Yeah, hello. I have a question for Coach King. Okay. I'm wondering, Coach, what do you look for in a recruit? What are the attributes that stand out the most to you? Well, you know, Coach Miller said the evaluation process is important for us and for what I work with my staff and particularly myself is if I can have a conversation with the student-athlete. If I can have a conversation with the student-athlete and we can get along and we can build a bond, I think that's important. That's an excellent starting point in terms of the recruitment process. Nice. Okay, that's a great question and great answer. Now, Coach King, before we let you go, we talked about, you know, these – I mean, to me what's remarkable is you had the 18 rejections and you finally get a chance and you're not just successful, you're really successful. And not only once but twice at two different kinds of institutions, a D3 NCAA. Yeah. And a junior college. Chris, you had a question you asked me off the air about Coach King and the process he went through when he was trying to become a head coach. Well, no, what I was wondering was, like, you know, you interviewed for all these different jobs and, you know, I hate to say rejection after rejection, but, you know, 18 times is like, you know, what was your resolve that, you know, number 19 is going to be the one? Yeah. I mean, because, you know, a lot of people would, after a couple, be like, you know, I don't think this – I'm cut out for this or this may not be for me. And, you know, Coach Miller is real big on quotes and one of my favorite quotes is, slow progress people don't realize is still progress. So, you know, for you it was a slow progress, but, you know, you're still maybe progressing even though you're getting turned down. What made you keep going? Well, you know, I think – Well, I mean, you see some of these Division I assistant coaches and they're grad assistants and they become assistant coaches and then they get to become a coach and, you know, they're lucky to be in the spot that they are and, you know, they're part of maybe, you know, different coaching families and they get access to the business a little bit quicker than you would. I don't have – you know, I have tremendous friends that I rely on for great advice like Coach Miller and some other people, but I'm not part of a coaching family where, you know, Rick Pitino is not picking up the phone call. Rick Pitino is not calling the school on behalf of Jody King. So it's been a tremendous challenge and it continues to be a tremendous challenge and that's why, you know, the thing that was posted today on HoopDirt, you know, I'm honored that schools are recognizing, you know, a lot of the hard work that we've put in as a program and I'd like to think now it's starting to pay off and, you know, it will continue to pay off. But, you know, when you look back at it, if it's something you wish and you're highly motivated, you're going to go after it and you're going to do it. And if it's something that you love and you're passionate with on top of that, it's going to make you even more motivated. You know, I have the degree to back me up in case coaching doesn't work out and I guess I can do therapy on myself if it doesn't work out. But at the end of the day, I'm a big believer in you have to do what you love no matter what and you have to figure out a way how to make it work. And, you know, for 20-some odd years, I've tried to figure out a way how to make it work. And now, you know, we're not, you know, we're just starting to reach some of the benefits. We, you know, we were barely touching the surface. And I think as we go along, I think, you know, we have a bright future in this business. And, you know, it's all because of that hard work and determination. And, you know, like Coach Millicent's all the time and Coach Halpert, Coach Millicent, and some other people, Coach Marks, who have been around for a long time, you know, don't give up. You know, it's not a cliche. It's the truth. If this is something that you want, go after it and don't look back. First of all, I run into this all the time. You have to have dreams. You've got to have dreams. And you have to have hope. And I don't think ever during that time that you were an assistant trying to become a head coach did you give up hope. Now, my saying again is I will persist until I succeed. And I think you're a great example and testament to that. And, frankly, I hope that that thing that we saw on Hoop Dirt today, Chris, is true. I hope that Mercy College is going to select you or offer you a job to be their coach and that you'll consider it strongly if it is offered. And I think it could be another. Another stepping stone. It would be your third if you were to have that happen. It would be your third opportunity to be a head coach after 18 rejections. And you've done a remarkable job in the last two opportunities. And there's no reason to think, Chris, that Coach King wouldn't do a remarkable job in another opportunity. Right. Even at a higher level like Mercy College. So we're not going to put Coach King on the spot. And ask him if he's interviewed or been offered a job. We don't want to do that. But if he wanted to break something, you know, this would be a good format for him to break something. I'll tell you guys this much. Like I said before, any opportunity after all these years is one that I cherish and take to heart. And it's just amazing. This website, I would love to know who Hoop Dirt is. He's got some interesting things out there. Right. Right and wrong or different. He's got some interesting things. But we'll see what the next week takes us. And I think there's going to be, look, at the end of the day, you know, there's going to be some positive change moving forward. And I think there's going to be some great news with our career moving ahead. And I look forward to a lot of new, exciting challenges in the next couple weeks. And I'm excited to move forward and see where it takes us. And I know Hostos is in the right place. And we brought that. We brought that place back. So, you know, it's again, whether it's me or someone else to continue on, everything's there for them to continue in a great place. And if I do have an opportunity to go to Mercy or any other school, we're going to run with it. And we're going to make that place into the next great program. And Coach Miller and Chris and everyone, with everyone's support, you know, we're just going to keep this run going. Well, I think by this time next week, Coach Miller, we may have some news to report. But you know what? Good luck to you, Coach King, in all your endeavors. And I hope everything works out for you. You know, I think, Chris, that was, I think, you know, Coach Dr. Jody King is a psychologist. He is a doctor of psychology. I think what we just heard there was a admission. Right. Without admitting. Without admitting. Thank you, Chris. An admission without admitting that there may be something to that, that rumor on Hoop Dirt. That's just if we were going to read between the lines. That's just if we were going to read between the lines. That's just if we were going to read between the lines. Between the lines. Right. Exactly. I mean, not saying that we are, we are, but I'm just saying if we wanted to read between the lines, we could, we can interpret that as a, as an admission. I agree. Too bad I'm not in studio, so I can't have some more fun with you guys right now. You know what? If you turned red, if you were in studio, we would know that it's more than an admission. But I think, Chris, it was sort of some sort of admission. If we were playing poker, I'd turn in my hand right now because I think he was holding all the aces. Yeah, I think so too. I think so too. Coach, Dr. Jody King, thank you for being on our show. We really enjoyed having you. And as Chris alluded to, we may have some news next week on the show that would be a follow-up to you being on this week, Coach King. And if so, we'll be happy to have you back on for a short time and make an announcement that you might be at Mercy College as the new head coach there. You guys. You guys are terrific. It's getting late here, though, on the East Coast. And I think it's pretty good. Yeah, we're going to let you go. You're going to turn into a pumpkin, we know. And thanks for being on the air, Coach King. Good luck to you as you go into the next week here and figure out things. You guys are great. Thank you for having me on. Much appreciated. Coach Miller, this is a great show. I'm quite proud of you. Best of luck. And hello to everyone at Skid Row Studios. Yeah, yeah. We've got some... We've got some... We've got some good people here at Skid Row Studios. So, Coach King, thanks again. And let's go to commercial break, Scott. Hey, it's Coach Miller. And I want to tell you about Maya Sportswear. Maya Sportswear is located at 1400 South Main Street in Los Angeles. That's down in the Garment District. Maya Sportswear has the best deals on rhinestone, embroidery, and silk screening. They specialize... They specialize in uniforms, t-shirts, and shorts. Go to Maya Sportswear. 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Pass the rock to the paint. I give him my order. Be like Chris Paul. Shoot the three points, y'all. Look, it's time out with Coach Miller. 14 straight conference championships. We winner. First. It don't stop from the bottom to the ceiling. Cause all I know is win and we winning. Full focus. We got a topic to discuss. High school, prep school, small colleges. Yup. Another special guest today. Listen up. It might get a little hectic from the stuff we discuss. Hey, we're back. Welcome back to Time Out with Coach Miller. Chris, it is great to have you back in the studio. Thank you. You invited us for a month vacation. Thank you very... Well, not so much of a vacation, but... You don't do too much vacating. Vacation from here. From here. Yes. From Skid Row Studios. And, you know, speaking of which, I always like those pictures you send me. You call them vacation porn. Yeah. As everybody who's a friend of mine on Facebook knows, yes, I am a Facebook addict. And people post pictures of, you know, exotic locations or, you know. And like you said before in the last episode, you got to have a dream. So, you know, why not want to go to one of these places? Like, you know, one of the places that I do want to go that I just think is so beautiful is Greece. Amazing place. Oh, my God. And every time I see pictures from there, I just post it on Facebook and under the heading vacation porn. Well, you come up with some good pictures. I'll say that. And I'll tell you what, my next big vacation is going to be Cuba. I'm looking forward to going to Cuba. Can you get to Cuba? I can. Okay. I can because there are some loopholes in the rules. Okay. Okay. I'm not going to talk about what I do off the air. Don't do that. But, you know. But. You can let me know off air. Well, but, no, it's legal because the business that I'm in, okay, there is the U.S. government allows certain kinds of people that are in certain kinds of businesses to go to Cuba. Wow. And one of the businesses that I'm in, I'm allowed to go. Okay. So, I don't have to sneak around and go to Mexico and pretend I'm not going to Cuba. Right. But. I'm looking forward. I'm planning my trip. And I'm excited about it. And if you, you know, if you go out and have a nice drink somewhere, have some Cuban rum and a nice cigar and you just happen to, you know, one falls in your suitcase, let me know. Hey, no worries on that. Now, I'm also excited, besides thinking about going to Cuba and enjoying your vacation porn pictures you sent me, I'm excited to welcome our next guest on the air because this guy, in my opinion, is the best high school basketball writer in Southern California right now. Jack Poland. Are you there, Jack? Mike, how you doing? I am doing great. It's great to have you on our show. Welcome to Time Out with Coach Miller. Thanks. Great to be with you on this Friday night. This Friday night? You're probably at home with your beautiful daughter. Yeah. Yeah. She's sleeping right now. Well, it's a good. It's a good time to be. Sleeping if you're a little girl her age because it's 11 o'clock and our guest just got off the air. It's two and two in the morning, New York time where he where he is. And we just finished interviewing him. So we had him on. And now we're a little bit earlier here for you. We're you know, we're here in L.A., of course. And and as you are, you work for the L.A. Daily News, which, in my opinion, is now the best paper in Los Angeles. Well, thanks a lot, Mike. You know, I really appreciate that. We we try and do a good job mainly focusing on the San Fernando Valley, Santa Clarita Valley, Conejo Valley. And, you know, I get out to L.A. and some of the other areas around Southern California myself. And, you know, we try and do a good job. Stay on top of everything. Well, you do. And you're being very honest right now, like you always are, Jack. And, you know, you guys do focus on the valley. And that's as you should. But that said, you do get out and you see other games. And in particular, if a valley team, if El Camino is playing Westchester, let's say I saw you at that game, you were reporting on that game. Right. If if some are is playing, you know, Fairfax or something like that. Loyola or you don't know. You know, you'll report on that game, right? Oh, yeah. You know, Crespi. And Alamany and Chaminade and Notre Dame, they're in the same league with Loyola. So we were down at a great Chaminade-Loyola game in early January when Chaminade beat them up in their own gym, you know, pretty bad. Oh, is that that game? Yeah. You know, we get out. Where the best games are, we'll get there. Well, as I said, and I make strong statements at times and bold predictions, which generally come true on the show, is that the L.A. Daily News is the best. Paper in Los Angeles. Now, they have surpassed the L.A. Times and the L.A. Times does not cover the way they used to. The L.A. Times readership has gone down quite a bit in the last couple of years, while the L.A. Daily News readership has actually gone up in the last couple of years. Isn't that right, Jack? Yeah. Yeah. You know, I believe so. You know, we have a lot of people tell me they only subscribe. I subscribe to the Daily News for the sports section now, the local sports mainly. And, you know, the L.A. Times has gone to more of just an online format, and they have such a broad coverage area, you know, way out to the Inland Empire and Moreno Valley and, you know, down to the tip of San Diego. So a lot of schools don't get, you know, a lot of coverage as much as they do with a paper like ours, which, you know, focuses... You know, on a certain area. So, you know, we have a real loyal, you know, following, you know, for about the hundred schools that we cover. You know, and Chris, before you ask Jack a question, I just want to make a comment on something he said, is that, and this is true, and I've seen this with other papers, Jack, is that a lot of people take the L.A. Daily News because of the coverage that you do and others like you at the paper on local sports. I mean... That's a fact. When Frank Burleson, who we've had on the show before, was with the Long Beach Press Telegram, you know, people would buy the paper just to read his column or just to read, you know, twice a week when he'd write something. And when he left the paper, you know, all those people stopped buying it. And so what Jack says is true, Chris. You know, the Daily News, the L.A. Daily News is smart because they've got people like Jack who write... Who really know their stuff and really specialize in a certain area and really do a great job covering high school sports. Well, that's what I was going to piggyback on because, like he said, the L.A. Times, and I am a devoted L.A. Times reader, but I read a lot of it online now. And the reason why I do read the L.A. Daily News and also the Pasadena Star News is because of the local sports section. So, you know, when I read the L.A. Daily News, I can catch up on... Burbank or Burroughs or, like you said, Alameda because there's a lot of kids from Pasadena that go... I live in Pasadena. There's a lot of kids from Pasadena that go to Alameda and Chaminade and Loyola and all those schools out there. And you can keep tabs on them. And, you know, the same thing with the Pasadena Daily News. I mean, the Pasadena Star News. You can keep tabs on, you know, anything from the 57 on out to Pasadena, basically. So, I think that does help you guys more. You guys are just a regional... You know, you guys cover a lot more regional than the L.A. Times does. Yeah, you know, the Star News is part of our news group. Right. The Daily News, the Star News, Whittier Daily News, the South Bay, Daily Breeze, San Bernardino Sun. Those are all actually newspapers that are part of our news group, the Los Angeles News Group. So, we're all kind of, you know, owned by the same person, same group. And, you know, we help each other out when we can. I know that we do a lot of stuff for Pasadena. If St. Francis or Damien or somebody's out in the Valley, you know, we'll help cover that game for them so they don't have to send somebody on a far drive. And, you know, we get help out that way when our teams are playing, you know, St. Francis or Pasadena or, you know, Maranatha or somebody out there. Then, you know, the Pasadena Star News helps us out. So, we really, you know, we try and work together. And, you know, it's a great thing. The local sports. People love high school sports. They love local sports. They want to know who the next stars are going to be. And, you know, it feels good to do a job and provide information where, you know, we're doing that and making people happy. Yeah, I agree, Jack. Now, let me ask you, do you consider yourself or does the LA Daily News consider you like a high school basketball beat writer or what? I mean, how would you identify yourself? I mean, you're... Obviously, you're a sports reporter. You're a journalist. But, I mean, specifically, are you a high school basketball beat writer or what are you? Yeah, I mean, it would be safe to say where, you know, I mean, I cover girls volleyball. I cover water polo. I cover soccer, tennis, softball, baseball, you know, just out of necessity because, you know, there's very... There's only a few of us. You know, budget cuts have hurt us over the last five, six, seven years. And there's just a few of us. There's a few of us left. So, we're not able to cover, you know, every single thing every day. You know, we've got to pick and choose the best games and the best stories and the best kids to get to. But, you know, while I do everything, it would be safe to say where, you know, my prep editor, Eric Bowe, who's a great writer, who's in charge, he, you know, I can safely say without him here that I am in charge of boys basketball for the Daily News, yes. Okay, great. Okay, great. Now, do you... Jack, do you... Do you venture out and cover, you know, other... Now, you've mentioned these other sports, but like other levels, do you ever write about college sports or pro sports for the Daily News? You know, once in a while, we do. You know, over the past 10 years, we've kind of shifted away from, you know, covering junior college sport, junior colleges, from covering the small colleges, you know. And... And basically not because we don't want to. It's just... It's just out of necessity. What do we need to get in the paper every day? What do people... You know, what are readers telling us they want to see more of in the paper every day? And then, like I said, when there's only a few of us, you know, really left to kind of work, you know, somewhat on a full-time basis, it makes it tough for us because we have so many schools that we have to cover that we've mainly focused on high school sports the last, you know... You know, the last good... Good amount of years. So... Right. Ventura County Star and the Star News and some of the other papers, you know, they don't have quite as many high schools to cover as us because in the San Fernando Valley, there's so many schools. There's like a high school in every corner. Right. So, you know, we've had to just basically put all our eggs into covering high school sports. And, you know, I've wanted to get out there and cover Moore Park and Glendale and Valley College and try and do a JC, you know, column. One thing I've done is I've done a lot of high school sports. You know, even try and get into some of the prep schools that flourished the last few years. Sierra Canyon and a couple other ones. Yeah. Cal Lutheran, some of the small colleges, that would be fun, too. But we just haven't been able to really find a way to incorporate that. And, you know, hopefully, maybe we can change that. Yeah. There's limited time, as Jack says, and limited resources. You know, it's just... That's a fact. And, you know, but I think that the Daily News clearly has established itself as the premier paper when it comes to covering high school sports in Southern California. Now, Jack, we're going to take a real short commercial break, just one commercial, and we'll be right back with a little bit more. And we want to talk a little bit more with you about some of your best memories from this year. Obviously, two teams from the Valley in boys basketball won city titles this year. 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First of Wednesday, my high school and college career. Hey, we're back. We are live on the air at Skid Row Studios. Chris. Great to have Jack on the phone with us. He's still here. Uh, Jack, um, we're back and, uh, let's, let's talk about this with you. Uh, my, my, uh, You know, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, what, from this past boys' basketball season? Well, I mean, you know, right off the bat, you know, you've got to say that El Camino Real beating Westchester in the city championship was just, you know, phenomenal for the San Fernando Valley. You know, they're the first team other than Taft to win the upper division title in the city section. And it was great because they had so many seniors that came in as a group as freshmen four years ago. And you saw them get better and mature. Julian Richardson, Malik Haynes, Evan Wardlow, you know, a great group of kids that made it to the Division III championship, lost, made it to the Division II championship and won, and then to get to, you know, the Division I championship and beat a storied program like Westchester. You know, that was a big thing for the San Fernando Valley. Huge, right? That's a great memory right there. Another big storyline was, you know, the emergence of Campbell Hall guard Aaron Holliday, the brother of Drew Holliday, who plays in the NBA. He's an 11th grader. He's a phenomenal player committed to UCLA. And he had some special performances early in January, against Viewpoint. Aaron had three points going into the fourth quarter, and they were losing to a mediocre team. And then Holliday erupted for, I believe, was 26 points or 27 points in eight minutes and led Campbell Hall back to a victory. And then to watch Holliday play Village Christian, which is a great team in the Division IVA semifinals, he scored 43 points. Wow. In front of Coach Steve Alford at UCLA. And nearly single-handedly led Campbell Hall to a victory, but they came up short to Village Christian, and then the next day committed to UCLA. Wow. Now, Jack, you saw his brother, his older brother play, Drew Holliday, who is with Philadelphia 76ers now? He got traded to the New Orleans Hornets. Pelicans. Pelicans. Pelicans. New Orleans Pelicans before the season started, and then he got injured about midway through the year. He got a chance to see both of the older brothers play. Now, but Jack, you've covered them both. Now, how do you compare this young Holliday to his older brother who's in the NBA if you have to look at the same age range? You know, I get asked that question a lot. I'll bet. It's hard. It's hard. Compare the two. Drew was a great all-around player, picked his spots, you know, made other guys out there better. I got to say this. Drew had better guys to play with. Yeah. So that's part of the knock on Aaron. A lot of people think Aaron's a gunner, takes bad shots, forces the issues sometimes. And I try and tell people, you know, hold on, hold the phone here. He has to do some of that to try and help his team win, actually. He's got to. You'd rather the team that Aaron's on right now, Campbell Hall, you'd rather him take a bad shot than maybe another kid on the team taking an open shot because there's probably a better chance Aaron's going to make the shot. Wow. That's a great point, Jack. Yeah, because Drew had his older brother playing with him that was, you know, 6'7". Yeah, yeah. See, Drew had an unbelievable team. He had Justin Holliday with him. He had a guy named Joe Ford who went to Pacific. He had his little brother, Robert Ford. Those are Pasadena guys. Right. They had Dallas Rutherford. They had a Hornbuckle kid. You know, they just had better players. Drew was playing with better guys. So it was a different dynamic. And I've been telling everybody, yeah, I know Aaron takes bad shots and Aaron Ford. Horses the issue a little bit here and there. But that's what he has to do. He's trying to win games. He's a winner. The kid is an absolute winner. He's a bulldog. He has that bull in a china shop mentality. And, you know, at the very least, it's fun to watch. I saw him. You know, I kind of compare him. This is what I say to people. I kind of compare him to Yasiel Puig on the L.A. Dodgers. He might be a little reckless, but you're watching him play. Right. You know who he reminds me of? That you said that because I saw him play earlier this year. And as good as he is versus how not good the rest of the team is, is Mitchell Butler when he was at Oakwood. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a great call right there because Butler was on a team that didn't have great guys. I mean, my team before Coach Miller coached me, he coached me my junior and senior year. But my freshman team, we played Mitchell Butler in the playoffs in the quarterfinals of the season. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I tell people this all the time. I'll never forget the game because they beat us 55 to 48, but he had 50 of their 55 points. Yeah. Yeah. Mitchell. Mitchell was, yeah, that's a good call right there, you know, which, which means that he beat Rebecca by himself because Rebecca had 40, 48, and he, and he had 50 of the 55. So, Mitchell Butler, 50, Rebecca, 48. Yeah. So, you know, watching Aaron Holiday play, uh, what was, what was, what was, what was, what was, what was, what was, what was, what was, this year. He had some unbelievable performances. Another good storyline was the emergence of Village Christian with Bear Henderson, Benny Boatwright, Brian Alberts, Marsalis Johnson. They had a great team with some great players over there, and they ended up winning a CIF championship when they beat Wynward. They didn't, though, Jack. They didn't win the state this year. In fact, didn't they lose pretty early in the state tournament this year? Yeah, Village got into the state tournament. I can't even remember who they lost to at this point. I think they won a game and then lost. Yeah, I think they lost. They lost to a very good Cantwell Sacred Heart team. Cantwell Sacred Heart has two 6'10 juniors. One from Serbia, the other from Montenegro. Don't ask me how they ended up in Montebello. I was going to ask you, when you said that, and you mentioned where they were from, I was going to say, how did those two guys from Serbia and Montenegro end up at the same place at the same time? End up in predominantly Hispanic Montebello. Yeah, how did that happen? Well, Coach Miller, I think they took a page out of the Coach Miller handbook. That means they recruit? Or they recruited? I didn't say the word. I didn't say the word. They are friends of the program. Yeah, I saw them play earlier this year. I saw them also this year, too. But now it's been over 25 years, I think, since I've coached in high school. And the CIF Southern Section, which Cantwell is a member of. But as I recall, if a student didn't live with their parents, they weren't eligible to apply. At least that was the rule 25 years ago. Yeah, I mean, the rules have changed over and over. The blue book changes every year. You know, I don't know how it is. It seems as though there are no rules anymore because everybody's transferring and getting eligible. So, you know, the rulebook's kind of thrown out the window. It's real weird, this 30-day rule that they have. Now, just transfer, you can transfer to a school and you only have to sit out 30 days now. Yeah, yeah, sit out 30 days. It's a sit-out period. Right. They like to call it a sit-out period. It's not exactly 30 days, but right around there. So, the rules are just crazy. But, Jack, I get what you're saying. The rules may change a lot and stuff, but I still think at the end of the day that the student has to live with their parent or guardian. I mean, I don't think you can come halfway around the world by yourself and just go to a private school that costs money to go to, I imagine. Right. I'm sure those kids are probably under the foreign exchange program. Probably a foreign exchange program. They might be in an accredited, approved foreign exchange program by the Southern Section. They probably have a host family. Oh, I see. Good point. They probably did it that way. And they're both 6'10", though. Yeah, 6'10". You know, good players. Good players. Probably not pros, but a little slow, a little awkward, but great at the high school level. Okay. So, anyway, but Village Christian, back to them, they see Chris, as you can tell, Jack is a little bit of a provocateur like I am. And so, we get off. We're talking about Village Christian. All of a sudden, we're wondering how two 6'10 guys that don't speak English probably when they came end up in Montebello at a little small private school. But the CIF probably doesn't care too much about that. I mean, the CIF Southern Section is a joke. I mean, Jack, I mean, these guys at the CIF Southern Section, they're a joke. They allow stuff to go on that, you know, let's be honest, that really is to the detriment of the Valley teams for the most part. I mean, Matterday can do whatever they want, and any players can go there, and no one questions it at all. I mean, guys transfer there all the time, and no one says, oh, they recruited, no one says anything. Yeah, I mean, it's gotten to a point where you know, Matterday and a couple other schools you know, for other sports or, you know, there's certain schools with certain sports where it's gone on for so long, and it's you know, it's hard to enforce these rules because the Southern Section is so large. And, you know, they don't have a task force that can go out and you know, investigate and ask questions and, you know, get paperwork and really dive into this stuff. So, it's hard to manage. You know, I will give them that. And it's become to a point where there are certain schools, where it's almost like, when you talk to other people, where it's just accepted. It's accepted that they are always going to get guys and always going to be good, and it doesn't matter how they do it. Right. Now, Jack, let me ask you a question. This realignment situation that was happening in football with Oaks Christian and St. Bonaventure and a couple of other schools in football, how did that affect basketball? Well, basketball-wise, you know, it really, you know, it didn't change too much. The Marmonti League is now going to be made up of, which is a pretty good league here, Thousand Oaks, Westlake, Newberry Park, Oaks Christian, and I want to say, I want to say Agora and Calgary, Calabasas. Now, that's going to be the new league for next year, Jack? Yeah, that'll be for next year. So, that's six schools. Calabasas, Agora, Newberry, Westlake, T.O., and Oaks Christian. That's six schools. That's a very good basketball league. Very good basketball league. Calabasas, always good under veteran coach John Pilarz, who used to be at Campbell Hall. And who also used to be one of my assistant coaches, I might add. Oh, excellent. Yeah, Calabasas, good program, good coach, Oaks Christian. Excellent, excellent coach. John Pilarz was a bright, young coach when I first met him. And he helped me for about a year. And amazing coach. And I agree with you. Now, is Oaks Christian, Jack, is not as good as they were a couple years ago under the previous regime. They're not nearly as good, are they? I wouldn't say they're too far off. You know, 2011, under Andre Chevalier, former Cal State Northridge star, they won the championship. They beat Buckley in the finals and made a run all the way to the state regionals, lost to Windward one game before going up north. And Andre Chevalier was a great high school player at Cleveland High School. In the Valley. Correct, correct. I saw him play. And a good man. And a good coach. And he's not coaching there. Who took his spot, Jack? So, Andre was at Oaks and I was on his staff helping. And we won the championship in 2011. Lost in 2012 in the quarterfinals to Laverne Lutheran, which had a guy named Grant Jarrett on the team. And Jarrett went to Arizona and is now in the NBA. That's right. And then the parents, for some reason, which nobody knows, decided they didn't want Andre coaching anymore. And the school made a change. And they brought in A.J. Moye, who played, who went to Indiana and was set to play for Bob Knight. But Bob Knight got fired right before Moye was about to start over there. Where is A.J. Moye from, Jack? Is he from out here? He's actually, he was Mr. Basketball in Georgia. Oh. His dad is out here and his two half-brothers are, or his two brothers are out here. So, that's the connection with California. And Moye took over, had a rough year last year. And then he leads Oaks Christian to the 4AA championship this year. They lost to Jay Serra, good Orange County team. Okay. And, um, and I don't know if you guys have heard, uh, about three weeks ago, he was let go by the school. Wow. You know, that's why I kind of asked you. I didn't know who the coach was. Yeah. But, but someone had told, uh, someone had sent us an email, uh, in our, um, here at Skid Row Studios at our show, saying that there was an opening at Oaks Christian. And I just didn't understand it because I figured, well, they just had an opening a couple years ago when, when Andre, uh, left. Yeah. And so you're confirming that they have another opening. Yeah. That AJ Moye left. Three, four weeks ago and said, Jack, I just got let go. I just was in a meeting and they're letting me go. Oh. And, uh. Now, do you think the parents had, uh, okay, I shouldn't say the parents, the, um, administration at Oaks, at Oaks Christian is spoiled or, I mean, what? No, it's, it's, it's, it's the administration succumbing to parent pressure. Right. Bottom line. You know, it's, it's, it's not any more complicated than, uh, you know, some upset parent or a group of upset parents. What do the parents want, Jack? Do they just, is it simple as selfish as I want more playing time for my son? Yeah. Yeah. I guess, I guess it's more about, I'd rather my son play this amount of minutes. And then, and, and I guess I don't care if we lose games, then let's do what's best for him. Best for the team and try and win games. Now, do you think, do you see that as a big problem over the last, like say, I'm going to say 25 years since, it's almost been 25 years since I graduated. So over the last 25 years, you see that as a predominant problem going on in high school sports nowadays? Yeah. Yeah. Especially at the private schools because that's where the money's coming. Right. Uh, they, they depend on, you know, and they depend on, on tuition and they depend on, uh, donations. Uh, the, uh, you know, certain, certain parents are donating big money. So they feel that they have a right to call some of the shots. Right. Now what's interesting, Jack, is you had mentioned that you were on the staff there and I recall seeing you, uh, with, uh, with coach Andre Chevillet and I saw you on the bench and you were helping him a couple of years ago and you guys had a really good team. I remember seeing your team play. There was no reason. There was no reason. There was no reason to replace him. No. Not at all. I mean, you guys had a really successful program. Oh, yeah. His first year taking over, coaching the boys at Oaks Christian, you know, tough, tough school, a lot of pressure. He wins a CIF championship. That's unheard of. Right. First year, you know, no, you know, so, uh, you know, and then the next year to come within three seconds and a, and a, and a, and a couple inches of a, of a three-pointer going in, um, to beat, uh, a perennial state power with an NBA player on it. And then you're gonna, you're gonna try and tell me that's not good enough. And so, He was there for two seasons, Jack? Two seasons. Two seasons, CIF championship and a quarterfinal run. Yeah. And, and, and then you get removed, Chris, because some angry parents. Now, so then this new guy comes in. Let me just stay on this Oaks Christian thing because I find it fascinating, Chris. Right. I do too. I've been out there. Yeah. Uh, to the tournament when, when Jack, when you were there, if, if you recall, I've been out there and, um, big tournament, great event. Yeah. And, um, you know, it seemed to me like that football stadium is, is unbelievable, like second to none. Yeah. Um, is football king? Yeah, I was just gonna ask you, is football king out there? Oh, big time. I can answer that question. I mean, just, just off the, some of the schools that he said, um, you know, St. Bonaventure, Oaks Christian. I mean, that's what that whole, whole thing was about because they wanted, they're so good and they get players from all over the Valley. They wanted to move them up with Matt or Dan, all of them. And they fought that. I mean, they, that went to court. Yeah. Yeah. Football is king at Oaks Christian. I believe that they really think football, uh, draws the most people, draws the most spirit, draws, uh, the biggest profile to the school. Um, you know, even, even to attract just regular students, uh, thinking, Hey, you know, they got a great football team. Uh, they got good sports, you know? So the school has, has definitely hung their hat on football. Who's their football coach now, Jack? Well, it's, uh, it's, it's old, uh, the old ball coach, uh, uh, Bill Riddell is back. He, uh, started the program right when the school opened, uh, the turn of the century. He left for a while. He left for a while. And he finally called it quits. And, um, after one season, um, he's back as, uh, I'm sorry, after two seasons away, he's now back as the head coach. And he used to be the coach at St. Francis years ago, right? Yeah. St. Francis and Crespi when he had the great running back, Russell White. That's right. That's right. So, so football is the big deal at Oaks Christian. And, and so let's go back to the basketball there. So this A.J. Moyet, you said his name? Yeah. A.J. Moyet. Yeah. So he was let go. So who's their coach now? They haven't hired a new guy. Uh, this is about four weeks ago. They're taking applications, resumes. The athletic director told me, uh, a lot of people from all over the country have, have sent their stuff in. Um, I think a lot of people think they think it's like one of these $125,000 a year basketball only no teaching jobs. And that's not the case. Uh, yeah. With that sport. It's not the case at all. Is it? No, that's not the case. There's probably only a handful of schools in the country, uh, you know, that, that, that have that kind of a setup for, for their basketball coach. So tell us, I mean, is, is it a job that really isn't that great a job? Well, I mean, you'd have to say it's not that great of a job because look, look what's happened to the last three guys. You know, they, they parent. Got rid of the, the guy before Andre. They bring Andre in. He does a hell of a job. They get rid of him. Then they bring in Moyet and things are going okay. And then all of a sudden something doesn't go right as far as playing time or something. And now he's gone. I smell a story. Why would anybody want to take that job? I smell a story coming on in the daily news. Looking over your shoulder. And if you're not playing little Billy, you're probably going to be out of there. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Why is it a good job? Yeah. But yet, yet what you're saying, Jack, you've talked to the AD in your role as a reporter, which, which is, which is totally right that you do talk to the AD. Right. And you're asking what's going on and he's telling you, we've got people applying from all over the country. Yeah. Yeah. Because, you know, they, because, because of what they've probably heard about football and, and the profile of the school. So, you know, they think it's a great job and, and they probably think there's like some hefty salary, but it, it, it's really a regular stipend, you know? So, it's like any other high school, it's a two or $3,000 a year stipend to be the head coach and your money comes from your teaching position, right? So, you know, it, it, it's a great school. Academics are good. It's a great area. West Lake village. Beautiful campus. Beautiful facilities. facilities, a great gym, all that stuff is great. You'll have good kids to work with. So it's a good job from that standpoint. But, you know, long-term stability or, you know, support from the administration, probably lacking. Because they're always succumbing to the parents. Right, right. Yeah. What you're saying makes sense. Now, we've got a few more minutes. Let's go back to some of your great memories from this year. Now, you mentioned Aaron Holiday in Campbell Hall. You mentioned El Camino Real winning the top-level city title. Tell me a little bit about any memories you have from watching Silmar play this year. Yeah, that was my next one. Silmar, a great story there this year. Head coach, Borda Scotto. I want to say 17th, 18th year at Silmar, one of the longest-tenured coaches in the city section, probably right behind Howie Levine at Grant. So what a year for Silmar. They win the Division II championship one year after losing heartbreak in the semifinals, getting upset by Gardena. They pull it together. They responded. And it was great. I see Coach Escoto win a second ring. He won a 3A title in 1998. And to see him do it 16 years apart, it was kind of cool, kind of special. He's one of the great characters, always with a great quote for the paper. He is a character, isn't he? Yeah, he is. He's the king of the world. He's one-liners, or he's the king of trying to stir up controversy. But all in good fun, all in good nature. He's just trying to promote the game out here for us. And he does do that. And he's done a really good job at Silmar, obviously, over the years. Now, I didn't realize it was his second city title. For some reason, I thought he had won more than that. No, no, just that one in 1998. And they got moved up to the 4A, to the upper division, for a few years after 98. So late 90s, early 2000s. And he had a chance to beat Crenshaw on the road in the quarterfinals. And a kid named Jeremiah Turner went in for a layup and got caught in between in the air, didn't know whether to lay it up or dunk it, and missed. Oh, boy. At Crenshaw, they would have won the game. So I'll never forget that. I was down there watching that game. You know, that was Heartbreak Hotel for Silmar. But Coach Escoto, man, he's been there forever. He's persevered, hasn't he? He got it done this year. Yeah, he's persevered. Yeah, they got it done. They got it done. Well, you know, it's interesting. He has a real good kid, 6'8 kid, Devin DeRusso. I like Devin DeRusso a lot. Yeah, yeah. Could be headed to Washington State, San Jose State, Utah Valley State. A couple other schools have come in late. Well, I have to tell you, and I'm going to tell you here on the air, is that when the current staff at Washington State got hired, I called them and I told them about Devin DeRusso. Because Sylvie Dominguez and I talk, we've been friends for over 25 years, and he said they were looking for like a stretch four. Right. And I said, you got to see this kid. Now, at the time, Devin DeRusso told me the only offer he had was San Jose State. Right. And it sounded like to me, and I'm reading between the lines here, Jack, he didn't want to go there. Right. Okay. He was, you know, hoping for something a little bit better. Yeah, and you know, I mean, I'm not sure I'd want to go to San Jose State either. But although I have to say, I want to, you know, great memory from playing there because my team at LA City College won a state championship in their arena on their floor. And that was back in 1997. So I do have some fond memories of San Jose State in San Jose. It's the same arena they play in today. It was a newer arena back then, about a 5,000 seat arena. But it's not, they're not competitive in the Mountain West Conference. Right. They're not even competitive. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. went to see Devin here on a Saturday morning that was I think three Saturdays ago and he liked him and I actually gave Sylvie his phone number as well and they have been recruiting him since and hopefully that'll work out for Devin here and obviously for Sylmar and Coach Escoto because who wouldn't want to have a player from your program play in the Pac-10 yeah yeah for sure and by the way Jack I say that intentionally Chris knows it's the Pac-10 plus two plus two other ones plus two teams from the Mountain Time Zone I like that okay this is not the Pac-12 we do not call it the Pac-12 here it's the Pac-10 plus two from the Mountain Time Zone I like that that's a good one Coach so um you know I'm sure you're rooting for Devin to go to the Pac-10 and and show what he can do and represent Sylmar and Coach Escoto well as I am and and I will take some credit for this because I did put uh Washington State on him and hopefully that'll work out um now that said you brought up something interesting when you talked about uh Sylmar and you started off by saying last year they lost in the semifinals to Gardena what did you call it Heartbreak uh Heartbreak Hotel Heartbreak Hotel you're a funny guy you're you're a character too just like Coach Escoto and just like me you're a character too Jack maybe that's why you and I like each other so much and yeah and and and enjoy each other's company but I was at that game and I sat at that game with you we we sat there in the corner of that gym at Venice High School together and watched that game right yeah there you go good call and um and one thing Chris I really and I want to talk about Jack and how hard a worker he is one thing I want to talk about is the fact that he's been a great player for a long time and he's been a great player for a long time and he's been a great player for a long time and he's been a great player for a long time and he's been a great I really admired and I've never seen a reporter do this ever during the game Jack was not only reporting keeping his stats getting his mind around his story but Jack what you did and I was so impressed with it during the game every time you had an opportunity you would send a tweet out I think you were tweeting yeah about what was going on at the game isn't that right yeah yeah yeah that's uh yeah we're tweeting out people want to know what's going on at the game and I'm I think you were tweeting out people want to know what's going on at the game and I'm want to people want live up up to the second updates and you know play by play blow by blow so you know that that's the world we live in now social media Twitter Facebook uh you know so you know we I just I just try and do do my best job and get the information out there as soon as possible and and when you do the tweeting because again I was so impressed with that I mean you were working so hard and I remember like every time out or every time you had an opportunity to do an opportunity you'd send out a tweet like like just give us an example for our listeners like what's a typical tweet like you know just just one or two just give us an example like what do you send out you know you know you know if the game uh you know in the second half uh and the game the game's going on it's a tight game you send out a tweet midway through the third quarter and you know uh the score and maybe who's the leading scorer or you know who who just had a couple baskets in a row or if a team goes on a you know 8-0 run or 12-2 run you know you always tweet out the score uh the time and a quick note a quick little you know glancing note uh just to give the the reader some some info or some perspective okay now when you send out the tweets and forgive me Jack because you know I'm kind of old school and I'm old I'm low tech you know people nowadays all my players have smartphones I have a dumb phone Jack it's a little flip phone looks like a walkie-talkie I don't even do internet on it so right you know I don't really know exactly what a tweet is but I guess they're they're short messages is that what they are yeah just short short character messages I think it's uh I want to say like I don't know is it a hundred and something words or less or okay 140 140 characters or less that's it 140 characters so so you know it's 140 letters or numbers basically so you're probably looking at uh you know like about 20 to 25 words okay now something like that so you know I I tweet out a score like Silmar 48 Garfield 42 DeRusso has 22 points Chance Cole has 12 points you know 422 to go in the third quarter that's about it gotcha now do you Tweet that out from your own personal Tweet account or is this from the the Daily News account I mean how does that work yeah I actually set up when Twitter started to get hot I set up a Twitter account with my name on it and my my Twitter name would be DN preps for Daily News preps oh okay and then uh that was before theOU Tweet account and my my Twitter name would be DN preps for Daily News preps oh okay and then that was before theOU And then that was before the Daily News got really going with it. I just decided, hey, I might as well do something here and get things going. And then the Daily News got into the whole social media thing, and they started the official Daily News Twitter, which is DNprepsports. Okay. So I can do both. Gotcha. Obviously, they gave me the password to get into the Daily News one. Right. So, you know, I can do both. Okay. Understood. So do you do both now when you're covering games? My other question is, every game you cover, like a regular season game or whatever, do you do the tweets during that game? Yeah. Yeah. It's basically expected of us now as part of our work that we, you know, the way we cover a game now is you show up to the game, you know, you fire up your computer, you got your smartphone available, and, you know, you're tweeting out. You know, tweeting out updates. You know, two updates a quarter is fair. You know, if it's a great game, maybe more. Extra one during a timeout or a dead ball or something. Gotcha. So, you know, we're tweeting out, you know, all throughout the game to keep people informed that aren't there because there's people out there that can't make the game, and they're just on their phone just updating and refreshing. I found out how good it could be. I found out how good it could be this year when I was going. I was going. I was going. I was going. I was going. I was going. I was going. I was going. I was going. I was going. I was going. I traveled, like, crisscross Southern California so many times watching so many different playoff games, and, you know, you could find out what's going on at the other games because people were tweeting about the games. Right. Right. Yeah, if you're following the right people on Twitter, you can get all the information you need from your couch in your living room. Right. Yeah, that's interesting. Now, Jack, before we go, I want to, you know, you mentioned earlier we spent some time discussing this Oaks Christian, you know, I'm going to just call it what it is. fiasco yeah and um and i want to just say publicly that that an administration that allows the parents to run the school is not a strong administration and they're not going to be successful in the long run because if the parents are complaining about their kids playing time the kids themselves are not learning the right values when they see their parents are getting people fired because they're not playing yeah and moreover you know the staff that you were on when when coach andre chevalier was was the coach there should not have been let go after this great success he had they hired him away from cleveland high school he left a good job yeah to go over there and ultimately get screwed and that's just not right and but what i want to just just one quick note mike yeah this is a guy who if not for andre chevalier nick young would not be in the nba today right right yeah he andre chevalier got nick young at cleveland uh sort of on a lucky lucky uh sort of a lucky bounce and if it wasn't for chevalier nick young would not have been in the nba today would have gone to usc would have never made it there and would not be in the nba today and able to make millions of dollars and take care of his family and and i know that's true because i recruited nick young out of high school i actually did a home visit with him when i was at la city college and there was a good chance he wasn't going to qualify well he a good chance i had his transcript he wasn't going to qualify he was going to go to junior college and we were in i mean they took a home visit from us for that reason and they were going to go to junior college and then yeah he was able to get an extra year of high school the city section allowed him to do that right i believe because of his learning disability yeah and the rest is history he got that extra year uh coach chevalier uh was able to get him to usc where obviously you know uh he was all pack 10 player um and was drafted and has had a great nba career now with you now what i wanted to close out on on our topic was when you had mentioned that oaks christian job was open yeah what i wanted to do was a follow-up and say this to you because you know everything going on in the valley regarding uh boys basketball are there any other jobs open in the valley right now other than oaks christian that's my follow-up question um trying to think here uh the malibu high school job just opened up a couple days ago oh okay yeah the coach there um took off uh after about three or four years he's going to be the new head coach at santa clara so malibu is open uh agora high school was open but uh they've chose they chose to move their girls coach over to the boys side okay um the saugus high school job was open but they just hired a guy named bill ben and he's going to be the new head coach at santa clara so malibu is open uh agora high school was open but they just hired a guy named bill good who used to be the coach at notre dame and sherman oaks oh yeah i i know bill yeah bill's a good guy um other than that there's not there's not a lot of jobs open right now right that that was going to be my my conclusion is and and that's why i wanted to ask you is it doesn't seem like there's a lot of jobs open in the valley considering there's you know as you mentioned earlier you guys cover about 100 schools in your in your area there there's not very many jobs open chris for for this time of year right oh not not not right now are you i think we're going to hear a few more here in may may is a good a good year for i mean a good month for uh for some jobs to open up and then okay oh they like to fill fill these jobs early june so they get a guy in there before the summer um so i'm sure there'll be a couple more openings here that that you know some coaches are going to decide to not you know hang it up come back or whatever um okay yeah you never know i mean the la unified district schools uh you'll see a few few few openings there i've been in the next month we've got about two more questions for him and then we'll go with just to end up um who's the best team that you saw this year and uh real quick as a twitter as a twitter answer who are some of the teams to watch out for next year well i mean i mean the best team that i saw this year was um was modern day okay you know they were just they were unbelievable how about you know they were unbeatable they didn't lose a game well they came close a couple times best player ever in orange county one of the best players ever in southern california right you know who's the best team in the valley you saw this year well in the valley uh the best teams were chaminade el camino real and sierra canyon now now jack that that that's one thing i totally missed on you guys i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm guys is sierra canyon that was an amazing uh that was a great memory um sierra canyon with the fantastic freshmen the four freshmen uh over there and um what a year they had 29 and four yeah amazing year and and like you said young players now they beat matter day uh i believe in the fall league in a fall league and that was a big deal but as you both you know know jack and chris it's the fall league it doesn't really count yeah it means absolutely nothing matter day was undefeated when it counted during the regular season now um the thing that though jack that i guess i would ask you is who would have won because i was really disappointed in el camino they lose in the first game in the state tournament at home yeah they got a bad draw yeah draw yeah they did but they were still at home yeah and you know i mean you gotta win you know if you're gonna win the state tournament you gotta win some games so the the thing that sucked for el camino was that they win the city championship and then yes they get a home game but they're playing etiwanda perennial state power great program and etiwanda was off for 10 days resting and practicing right and el camino had just beaten west right and el camino had just beaten west chester which was the biggest deal for them right in west chester meant more to them than state playoffs no question i agree with that they kind of came in you know with the air out of the balloon yeah no that that makes sense i mean i'm i'm i'm picking up what you're laying down but but i guess my my last question to close it out and we're really past our time but uh this is an important question yeah el camino or el camino i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't know chester shamanod who was better that's that's a tough one i i you know like i'm i'm if you had a if you put a gun to my head i'm gonna i'm gonna say shamanod i'm gonna say shamanod they they played a a very tough schedule went through the mission league played in the open division playoff and then win the division three state title and they did it with you know guys out and you know some other some adversity and stuff but el camino real was playing some of its best basketball at the end of January and through February. So if they played a game mid-March, it could go either way. If they played the middle of the season, Chaminade was the better team. Gotcha. That makes sense, Jack. That's a great answer and well explained. Now, we really enjoyed having you on the show. We'd like to bring you back sometime down the road and just keep focusing on high school basketball in the Valley, which I think, in my view, you're the king of that. So, again... And just real quick, sorry to go over time, Chris, to answer that question. Next year, watch out for Chaminade, Campbell Hall, Sierra Canyon. I'm going to give you those three. Chaminade, Campbell Hall, Sierra Canyon. Now, Chaminade has enough. That's guys back, Jack. Yeah, they got a 6'10". Next year, he'll be a junior Trevor Stanback, the brother of Chase Stanback. Chase and Stanback. And they've got a great guard named Michael O'Geney. Michael O'Geney. Okay. And Sierra Canyon is supposed to have all their guys back, but you never know what's going to happen with transfers and guys coming in. No. And Campbell Hall should be really good with three, maybe four top players back. You... You never know. Like you said, guys end up moving and being all over the place. Yeah. And you just don't know. It's wild and crazy. And another dark horse is Crespi. They got three 11th graders, three sophomores that'll be 11th graders next year. So, they're going to be real tough. They're always well coached. You know, I was just about to say, very, very good coach. Very, very good coach at Crespi. So, Jack, it's been great to have you on. We're going to... We're going to invite you back down the road here to come back on. And, you know, thank you for your expertise and sharing with our listeners, you know, your insights into high school basketball. Yeah, great. No problem, Coach Miller and Chris. Love to be back. Just call me anytime. 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