Welcome to Time Out with Coach Mike Miller. Coach Miller is the basketball coach with the most wins in LACC history, coaching his teams to a national record of 14 straight conference championships, breaking UCLA's old record of 13. Coach Miller is the first basketball coach in California basketball history to win a state championship at both the high school and college levels. Coach Miller has been honored as Coach of the Year 18 times and has produced almost 100 Division I players. For the next two hours, get ready for stats, facts, rants, and your opportunity to chat with one of the most successful basketball coaches in the entire country and his friends. Time Out with Coach Mike Miller. Hey, it's Coach Miller. Welcome. To Time Out with Coach Miller, I hear some... Is that Jeremy in the sound booth dribbling a basketball? Wait a second. Hey, Jeremy, are you in the sound booth tonight? I'm in the sound booth, but I got someone else here with me, too. Yeah, tell us about it. Yeah, we got Scott here. He's learning the boards here at Skid Row Studios. Oh, my God. Was that Scott screaming? I think that's Scott, yeah. Okay, Scott. You ready for this, aren't you? Ready to go. Okay, now, Scott, has Jeremy told you about the stalker we have on our show, the nutty nurse from Palm Desert? No, let's... Tell me about it. Well, Jeremy hasn't told you about it then. Okay, well, be ready because nutty nurse Barb likes to call into the show and harass and stalk us. Your orders are the same as Jeremy had last week. Scott, don't let her on the show. Got it. Okay. So, anyway, we're good to go. We've got some great guests lined up for tonight, and we're just getting started. So, I'm excited to welcome all of our listeners to Time Out with Coach Miller. We've got Marcus Romain. He's a star point guard from East Los Angeles College coming in. We've got Zach Hinton, who is one of the most ferocious rebounding power forwards I've seen in the last 20 years. He was a star at East LA College this year. We've got him coming in. We've got Craig Stover coming in a little later on the show, and we're going to talk to him about... about a couple of things. The academic all-star game and another recruiting... some recruiting information that he's excited to share with us that I think is amazing. And it's called The Lab. We're going to talk about that in more detail. It's free for student athletes and their parents, and I encourage you to check it out. It's... It's free. It's an amazing program. They've got this app that is unbelievable that tracks the players wherever they are so that four-year coaches can know where the players are at. So, anyway, if you want to call the show before we bring our guests on, we're going to be bringing our guests on shortly. Our number is 1-800-893-9562. All callers are welcome to call unless your name is Barb and you're a fake nurse from the desert. Other than that, you can call the show 1-800-893-9562. 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Since team made a dream with this basketball, Coach Miller won the court and we going hard. Pass the rock to the paint. I give him my all to be like, Chris, I'm a player. Paul sent the three points, y'all. Look, it's time out with Coach Miller. 14 straight conference championships. We winners. It don't stop from the bottom to the ceiling because all I know is win and we winning. Full focus, we got a topic to discuss. High school, prep school, small colleges, yeah. Another special guest today, listen up. It might get a little hectic from the stuff we discuss. Hey, Paul, thank you so much for being here today. we're back we're live this is coach miller welcome back to timeout with coach miller our phone number is 1-800-893-9562 we're welcoming all calls unless your name is barb caller you're on the air caller go ahead hey coach it's uh george um hey george barb so i guess we can talk you know your name is not barb so we can talk and we have a the background on that is we have a stalker on the show we've had a we've had a couple of stalkers on the show that's how we know our show has made it we have stalkers and we've got a new stalker she goes by the name of barb some sort of fake nurse from palm desert or palm springs anyway you're not barb you called in what's on your mind well as they said i'm george and i was actually hoping to talk to your sidekick tonight scott but i guess he's not there what happened to scott scott is not on the show right now scott has been uh working really hard he got a new job and he is doing his thing and and is doing his storytelling he's a professional storyteller as you might know and um he's not on uh tonight and he's going to take a little break from the show because of his new job and his uh his 55 hour weeks well that's too bad you know nothing against you but i really uh really don't follow basketball but what i wanted to ask you is what's your opinion on the show this going to be something weird no He was actually quite the athlete. I don't know if he's ever really talked about that too much, but we were on the boys' wrestling team together in high school. Wait a second, wait a second. Before you go any further, is this going to be something weird? No, I don't think so. I just wanted to say hi to him because I haven't seen him in probably 15, 20 years. I wanted to call up and just get reacquainted. A friend of mine told me that he was on this show, and that's how I found out about it. But he was quite an interesting fellow in high school. Well, he's still an interesting fellow. So do you have a basketball question? Well, I do. And then I want to say one more thing about Scott, but let me ask you a basketball question. What do you think of the possibility of the latest... I know you're more of a college-related... Yeah, but I spent a year with the Lakers, observing them, being in practice every day. I was with Phil Jackson his last year with the Lakers. And so I have some familiarity with them. I spent a year in there watching their franchise operate from the inside. And my question is, what happened to the magic that they had? They've lost their luster, and they've just... They're acting like a third-rate team these days. I mean, the Clippers, for God's sakes, are taking all their glory. Right. Well, first of all, we do talk about pro basketball on the show, and we've expanded the show to cover pro ball. And we're going to be having some pro guests on. We've had some pro guests on. I had Jim Clemons on for an hour a couple of months ago. He's with the Milwaukee Bucks, and I spent that year with him with the Lakers. And we've had some other people on from the Clippers and stuff. But so your question is not, you know, out of school in any way. I appreciate the question. The Lakers suck. That's the bottom line. The Lakers suck. Their players are bad. Their coaching is horrendous. They will not win with Dan Toney coaching the team. The ownership is not doing the right thing by the fans or by the organization. The ownership is... The organization has got to step back and allow basketball people to run the organization. And that's not happening. So they have a bad coach who's in way over his head. They've got horrible players, and they're not going to win next year either. I mean, it's an embarrassment what the Lakers have become. It is worse than watching a car crash. I mean, it's worse... Yeah, it seems like there's too much meddling. ...from the ownership. No question. It's worse than watching glass smash and ladders fall. It's... It's... Oh, my. It's really bad. I mean, it's hard to watch. It's hard to watch. Well, you know what else was hard to watch? Scott when he wrestled. Because Scott had a real propensity for homosexuality. No! That's what got him thrown off the wrestling team. Wait a second. Wait a second. He would grab... Wait. Wait a second. Wait a second. I don't believe that Scott was ever a wrestler. That's the first thing. And are you one of the... Are you one of the stalkers? Are you... Do you know Nurse Barb? No. No, I'm not. I'm not Nurse Barb. I think my voice... No, I know you're not Nurse Barb. Are you... Do you know her? No. Are you one of the stalkers? I am not. Listen, I don't believe Scott was ever a wrestler. I think this is a prank call. I thank you for calling. If you're not a prank call, you'll call back in again some other time. Okay. Let me drop this call, Jeremy. Uh, Scott, drop this call. Okay. Do we have another call? I show a call on my board. Okay. Caller, you're on the air. Yes, this is Derek. Derek D. Flight Brown. Caller from New York City. Derek D. Flight Brown. You are our first guest tonight. I... From New York City. From New York? The Big Apple. Yes, indeed. Okay. Well, Derek D. Flight Brown, you're our first guest. You're our surprise guest for the night. And I haven't announced you yet, but here you are. And I'm going to tell you, we've got our other guest downstairs waiting to get in. And I'm going to have to send our security team down to get them while I'm talking to you and doing a little interview with you. Derek D. Flight Brown. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Sounds good. You know, it sounds good. I'm ready. I'm here. Bravo on your show. I hope everybody out there is doing pretty well, and I'm sure you're doing pretty well, Coach Miller. It's good to talk to you. Good to be on the air. It is always good to talk to Derek D. Flight Brown of Providence College fame. You took Providence College... Yes, sir. ...all the way to the Final Eight, losing in overtime in a game I saw to Arizona. Don't be miming. Don't be miming. You lost to Arizona in overtime, and Arizona went on to win the national championship. Right. And you guys had an amazing, amazing run. Tell me a little bit about that year, that magical year. That was in 1996-97 season. Exactly. Tell me a little bit about that magical, amazing year and that magical, amazing run. The 1997 Providence College basketball team that I played on, which I was the captain of the team, and they made me captain right from the beginning of the year. Derek Brown, you're going to be the captain. From what we've seen, how you treat these guys and how you deal with them, the players and everybody else around you, you want to be the captain. These guys respect you so much. Everybody on campus, all the players, all your teammates, everybody that you run across, the teachers, they respect you so much. So we want you to be the captain. And of course, I've always been a captain everywhere I've been. Basically, a captain, that personality, I've always been. So we start off the year, and it was just a great year for the guys. It seemed like the guys, when we came into that year, after work, I know I worked, personally, I worked very hard that summer before that season. And once that season came about, after me going through my first year at Providence College, playing against every, you know, night in and night out with my position, you know, Villanova, you had Kerry Kittles, St. George, you had Felipe Lopez. And, you know, everywhere you turn, Ray Allen was at UConn. So every, Allen Iverson at Georgetown, you know, with all the players that they had. And I'm not going to lie to you, I'm not going to lie to you, I'm not going to lie to you, you know, basically in my position, it was like everywhere I went my first year, I had to match up against these guys. And that, and Derek, that's when the Big East was really the Big East. It's not, now it's this watered down version of the Big East and the Missouri Valley Conference combined. But that's when the Big East was really the Big East, wasn't it? And you know what, you know what, with that being said, Coach Miller, with that being said, you know, the Big East, you know, in the past, when you had the Patrick Young, the Alonzo, the LeBron, and that, you know, you know, in those days, it was the Big East in 90, and when I came to Providence College, when I left L.A. City and went to Providence Scholarship, that's when they had, the Big East was back. You know, everybody, they were saying that the Big East was back now because they had all, they had like, out of the first team, all Americans that was there in that time, they all was in the Big East. You know, you had Kittle, Allen Iverson, you know, I think he's going on and on. They had, these guys were first team, all Americans, and like four of them out of the five first team, all Americans in America was in the Big East. So when I went there, it was like a battle. All I heard was, I mean, I don't know what they thought about me coming from where I came from playing at L.A. City. I got all full, I got everything out of Coach Miller, out of your workouts, Coach Miller, everything that you did with me, out of everybody, I feel like I endured the most of that. Because I was in front there and I didn't have no, you know, I didn't have my family there, the Cody, I really didn't have no social. Everything I did was basketball, basketball, basketball. I worked hard under Coach Miller's training. So I was, I don't know, I don't know what is my college story. I mean, we knew how good of a player I was at Providence, but when I went there, I don't think they had an idea that I was gonna come with that kind of strength in them. I don't think they had that idea. So when I went there, I was actually, you know, more stronger and I was more sound and fundamentally, I was more fundamentally sound and stronger than any player that was there because of what Coach Miller, because of what you have done, Coach Miller, with me. So when I got there, guys happened, I was like, players played, they were scholar athletes, but I know they didn't come from Coach Miller's training and coaching and workouts and his discipline. They came from where I came from. So that was amazing. So that, that started off Coach, but anyway, that amazing run took us all the way to the Elite Eight. And I really think it shocked even our own program, you know, shocked Providence College, it shocked my coaching staff, to everyone, you know, everybody was shocked, you know, and, but I tell you, to play in the, I looked at it cause I felt like each time I play, I feel I can be, and I know with playing in a system like such as Providence College, I played in, I played under system basketball and I'm, you know, as Coach Miller know, I'm sure that I can play in a system or I can play, you know, where they want me to get 30 points, 40 points, Coach Miller knows that, that I can just go at, you know, attack guys, they use me for offensive purposes. I can go all day. I'll probably get like 35, 40 a game, 15, 20 rebounds, a game, per game. I know that. But the thing is, there's no one else I know can score or be effective without taking shot after shot after shot. I'm getting, I know how to play that way, Coach Miller, cause you know, I played with a whole bunch of guys that were offensive mind, that guys want to score the ball, but to me, scoring the ball, I don't have to think about scoring the ball because I'm constantly on the move screen. Anyway, Coach. You guys, you guys had a great team. You had, you had Sham God at point, right? Right, yes. Okay. You had Austin Crozier at the four. Yes. You had Ruben Garces at the five. Yes. You had you, Derek, D-Flight Brown at the three. Yes. Who was the two guard? Jamel Thomas. That's right, Jamel Thomas from Brooklyn. Yes, Jamel Thomas. From Coney Island, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Jamel Thomas. Jamel Thomas, from Brooklyn. Yes, Jamel Thomas. From Coney Island, right? Jamel Thomas, yes. We're good. Where's that? Two. Yep. You know, we both went two and three together with that team being at the same height. Yep. You know, both can handle the basketball and pass pretty well. You guys had a magical run. So you're saying, now, first of all, I want to point out that when you went into the Big East, there weren't a lot of transfers from junior colleges going into the Big East at that time. No, no. In fact, there still isn't. So very few junior college guys go to that level, go to high major levels. So you went in. Your first year, you had a good year. If I'm not mistaken, you're a 1,000-point scorer, aren't you, in Providence College? Yes, over. Yes, over 1,000 points. You're in the 1,000-point club. So you had a good first year, your junior year. Yes. But you had a great senior year. Yes. And when you talked about, Derrick, that you could go out and get 30 or 40 points, you went in. weren't lying because because I remember a game in the NCAA tournament Providence College was playing Duke University you remember that game? Yes I do yes I do. Do you remember how many points you scored in that game? Yeah and you know people remind me every time or everywhere I go basically yes I do 33 is my memory serves. Yes exactly 33 points this junior college guy from LA City College transferred to Providence College put 33 points on Duke in the NCAA tournament the biggest stage on earth how about that? I mean how about that you just throw the 10 rebounds in with you know a couple of steals a couple of assists you throw that in you know that's what I always go to the fact that I had you know I had 10 rebounds in that game and that's right I forgot about I forgot about that but I watched the game and I was reading a book Derek by Mike Krzyzewski I was reading a book that he wrote not too long ago and in it he talked about you there was this guy that I didn't even know about he said named Derek Brown who had 33 points against against my team and they beat us and I thought it was funny because he should have known about Derek Brown and now all these years later he's written a book and he's mentioned you by name in the book really? Yeah I haven't seen that I haven't heard of it but you know what you said what I know of you know Coach K interview during that time that they asked him about like I was surprised like I was the reason obviously that really hurt them badly to beat them right so he said that he said when they asked him about that like what did you did you not know about Derek Brown so he basically and I just always took it as like he said that to show that no he's he's you know he's an expert he's a coach he coached all his years of course how could he not know about Derek Brown he said that what he said that what I read that he said was that Derek he said that Derek Brown was our that was the main focal point was Derek Brown Derek Brown was our guy you know what I mean I put that name I put so much emphasis on Derek Brown's name in practice that this is the because we knew about Crozier the players my players knew all about Austin Crozier but I had to put so much emphasis on Derek Brown's name in our practice to my players so all my players know that so I think he basically said that if he didn't he said that to kind of after with the kind of I guess cover like of him like how could you not if this guy is coming in basically at the leading scorer so that to me coach that's just that's ridiculous anyway but I know this world is made up of people that they want to sell to be these greats versus me so what happened how could you not let my team especially in the first year I got in scoring so I let them I didn't get any else I was an MVP number and I let them in a lot of things MVP numbers for my efforts and everything but no okay they didn't so happen and they didn't Austin Crozier had good numbers too along with my partner in college but neither one they didn't give me the MVP which everybody thought they had they gave it to a senior Mike Brown they gave him the full title to play up the team you know he was like the fourth you know fourth or fifth he was like the fourth leading scorer on the team that year and I love that that could have been though that could have been because coach Gillen didn't want to create jealousy between the returning players okay but here's the thing but here's the thing I always felt that you know that you being a J.C. player were a little bit on the outside looking in when you were at Providence College you were not a McDonald's All-American a high school All-American you were not you didn't have accolades like that now you had some accolades from your time at L.A. City College but L.A. City College was your third junior college it wasn't like you came out of high school school and you just knocked it dead. Yeah, no, not at all. You were at two other junior colleges before you came to L.A. City College. That's right. And I always felt that they treated you like a stepchild. Yeah, exactly. Do you know what I'm talking about? You're right. You're exactly right with that. I can relate to it. I don't know if everyone else could, but I can relate to exactly what you're saying. Yeah, I felt like they always treated you like a stepchild there, that you were not. Austin Crozier I knew from high school. I saw him play. He played in our gym at L.A. City College. I saw him play many, many times. I knew him. I knew his family, his parents and everything. But, you know, he was a big-name guy. Right. And, you know, Sham God was a big-name guy right out of high school. Yeah. Jamel Thomas was a big-name guy right out of high school. And you were this guy that was like, you know, like the leading scorer your first year there. And really, you know, the most valuable player of the team, certainly your second year, if not your first. Yeah, that's right. And now your second year, were you named MVP of the team? Yeah, I was named MVP the second year. Yeah, I mean. Yes, I was named MVP. Just you or was it co-MVP? You know, the first year they gave Mike Brown, like I said, a big-name team. And I was happy for Hollywood. He could have played the next year for him. He'd been there four years. He's a good guy. You know what I mean, Coach? He came under your team. Coach Mike, I mean, if you looked up, if you know anything about Mike Brown, two guards, this kid was a disciplined guy. You know what I mean? Didn't say much. You know, straight leader, true professional. So, it was good to see Mike leave. I wish he could have played. I wish he could have played. I wish he could have played. He never played in the time of his life. But anyway, they gave me that year. They gave him MVP. Right? Seeing him out, it was nice to see him get that. All right. And they gave me, which I was like, oh, you're the MVP. The first year you're the MVP. They gave me the unsung hero award that year. Okay. They gave out two awards. MVP and unsung hero. Okay. Now, your senior year. You know, my boy Crozier, I don't know. He played good, too. But he didn't get the MVP or the unsung hero. Now, your senior year, you got MVP. Was it co-MVP or just by yourself? I think Cro. Cro, too. Cro on Austin Pro. Yep. Co-MVP. Co-MVP. Okay. Yep. Co-MVP with my partner. That's what I thought. I thought it was co-MVP. Now, listen, Derek Brown. I've got some guests here in the green room that are ready to come on the air. But this has been really good to have you on the show. Now, I want to say one more thing. I want to say one more thing. You guys went to the Final Eight. You lost to Arizona in overtime, who won the national tournament. You guys could have been national champions that year. You were that close. Remember? Yes. You guys were that close. You lost kind of at the end. Really? I thought you were going to win that game against Arizona. You kind of had the last opportunity, didn't you? Yeah. I know. I can say we should have won that game. I went into that game expecting to win. I was expecting to win that game. Yeah. But, you know, because, you know, really and truly, when I played in the Arizona game, I mean, I always give up for anybody that I played. But when we were playing, I was expecting that we would play Kansas. I was expecting to see Jack Vaughn, Paul Pierce. I was expecting that team. That was a big, it was a big, a lot of energy since I've been in Providence. I was supposed to, you know, got recruited heavily, you know, by Kansas, as you know, Coach Miller. And they were really considering me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you were speaking to them guys a lot. You know, they told you a lot about me going there, and which I didn't. So, when they got Paul Pierce went there, well, Pierce went there. They got Paul McPherson left. You know, Pierce signed out and both of Pierce went back. I had first dibs to go to Kansas, which I don't think people know about that, where I could have went to Kansas, right? Now, what happened with that, I thought we would see Kansas in the NCAA tournament. I thought we'd go right to Kansas. So, that was my big thing. I thought, oh, we're going to see Kansas. Okay, but you didn't see Kansas. You played Arizona. We played Arizona. I don't have a lot of time here. I want to focus on Arizona. You should have beat them. You had the last shot to win the game. Yeah. You can talk about that. Yeah. And you guys didn't beat them. They go to overtime with you, and they beat you in overtime. Now, my question is this. Was that, did Coach Gillen leave after that season and go to Virginia? Or did he come back another year? After that season. He came back. He came. No, no, no. After that season, he did return one more season. He returned back there. No, no, no. He returned back one more time. One more season, he returned back. And then he left. He did one more season with the guys that were. He did one more season with, I think, Jamel Thomas. That's a. Came back as a junior. And I think Coach coached him one more year. And then, no, he didn't leave. He didn't leave with us. He didn't leave. I mean. Okay. That's what I didn't remember. So, but then he left, and he went to Virginia. Then he went to Virginia. Yeah. And he left the Big East to go to the ACC. And I guess in his mind to step up and more money and more prestige. But, hey, Derek Brown, it's been great to have you on the show. I've got to tell you, it's just great reminiscing about these NCAA games and what you did. You beat Duke. It was an amazing run. Your senior year, 96-97. You put 33 on Duke, and I'll never forget that. And, you know, congratulations all these years later. I mean, you're going to always be part of the NCAA history. You're going to be part of Providence history. And last thing, Providence retired your number, right? Yeah. They actually, they didn't retire my number. They aren't. They didn't me there. I was just going to retire the number. They aren't at me for one of the greatest days. I'm sitting at number two. For two, for junior college, for two years, players that played two years there, I'm sitting, I'm at number two. I think Kevin Statham is number one, and I'm number two. I think Eric Williams is number three, who played the Celtics. People that scored, you know, for two-year players there. Like, you know, junior college transfers. Right. People that just played. Yeah. I'm sitting at number two. So they honored you last basketball season, right? Yeah. They honored me during the season for, you know, one of the greatest, you know, the NCAA tournament, a lot of different things. So they honored me for my play. That is awesome and amazing, Derek. And for our listeners, we'll have you back on another time down the road. But for our listeners, Derek went on, he played, he had a long professional career, primarily overseas. And we'll talk about that next time. We'll get you on the air. I'm going to let you go, Derek Brown. Thanks for calling in so late. I know it's late in New York City. You're still in New York City, right? Yes, I'm still in New York City, Coach Miller. I'm definitely in New York City. So, yeah, you got to come contact for anybody for any information, basketball, train, or anything. I'm doing a lot of different things with basketball myself, Coach. So you can give them all the information when they call in. Okay. If they, if anyone wants to be trained by Derek Brown, they can email. Our show timeout with Coach Miller at gmail.com. I will pass on your information to them, Derek. And if anyone wants to be trained by you, one of the great, great college players of the modern time, Derek D. Flight Brown. Thanks for being on the show, Derek. And we will talk to you again soon. Coach Miller, I appreciate you. Blessings always to you. And whoever, you know, if everybody's listening out there, continue to work hard. And thanks for listening and continue listening. And I'll be in next time with Coach Miller. Nice. We'll get to get you out. We got to get you in studio next time we get you to Hollywood. Most definitely. I got to look. I got to, I got to auction your whole ticket here. Date it all the way back to 1993. I say, you know, so when I come, I got to bring it there. I got to get an autograph, you know, just for the record. Nice. Nice. Okay. Derek, thanks for being on the show. Jeremy, let's take a short commercial break. 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Two times a week, listen to me on the ear. Over 30 wins. It was for four straight years. First to win. Saved my high school and college career. Over 30 wins. It was for four straight years. First to win. Saved my high school and college career. Hey, I have to tell you, this is Coach Miller. Hey, you knew that, didn't you? We are live at Skid Row Studios. Welcome back to Time Out. We're live at Skid Row Studios. We're live at Skid Row Studios. We're live at Skid Row Studios. We're live at Skid Row Studios. We're live at Skid Row Studios. You know what I have to tell you, Jeremy, is that last ad you ran about cobbler mania, Shea, I'm gonna be there Sunday at the Hollywood Farmer's Market. I'm gonna be there, and I'm gonna pick up one of those cobblers myself. Those cobblers, they're organic. They're great. They're amazing. You know, you ought to join me up there, Jeremy, and get a cobbler. That sounds really good. I think I'm gonna do that. You know, Sunday, walk around. It's a beautiful day. Southern California, spring day, Hollywood. We need some cobbler in the studio. And no question. You know, that's part of the deal of the commercials is she's supposed to supply our guests and our staff with free cobbler. I'm gonna have to bring that up Sunday when I see her at the Hollywood Farmer's Market. Okay, we're back. We're live. We're on the air. Our phone number is 1-800-893-9562. Please call in if you have any basketball questions. We're gonna have our guests on now, our live Instagram. We have our studio guests. The highlight of our show, we have Marcus Romain and Zach Hinton from East LA College. I mentioned them earlier on the show. They weren't here yet, but now they are here. If you have a question for them, it's 1-800-893-9562. What a pair of outstanding players. Welcome to the show. Appreciate it. Appreciate it, Coach. Yeah, thanks for having us, Coach. Appreciate it. Glad to be here. Okay, well, I'm glad that you're here. You guys are amazing. You guys won the conference championship. The South Coast Conference. And I'll tell you what, what a great achievement that is. East LA hadn't done that, Zach, in how long? 42 years, Coach. 42 years. 42 years it's been since East LA won the South Coast Conference Championship. And they won it this year, mainly in large part, in my opinion, thanks to you and thanks to Marcus. So, Marcus, it was your first year. You were a rookie freshman. Yeah. Zach? You were a sophomore. Yes, sir. And I got to watch you, Zach, play a little bit last year, a little bit this year. And I noticed there was a big difference, Zach, in your performance between your freshman and sophomore year. Tell us about that. Well, you know, coming back another year, I just felt more comfortable and I had to take on the role of being one of the leaders of the team. And with the help of coaches like you and Mosley, you know, assistant coaches and all that. And I had a better understanding of what I had to do to play, you know. So, it was a pretty fun experience. It seemed like you had a lot of fun playing when I watched you. It seemed like you always had a smile on your face and you're always playing so hard with a lot of energy. I really enjoyed watching that about you. Yeah. Did you have fun playing? Oh, yeah, man. Those two years went by really quick. Yeah. It's amazing how fast, huh? Really. Yeah. And the thing is about junior college basketball, particularly, I think, you know, when you're playing like at a place like East LA where the coach is involved and there's always a lot going on, is that the time does go by fast because you're always doing something every day, basically, right? Right. You know, balancing school and basketball. Yeah. My time was pretty much, you know, either school or basketball. Yeah. It's really time consuming. And the season, it goes by quick. Yeah. It goes by really fast. Yeah. It's not enough games, is it? No. I wish it was a lot more games. Yeah. It's only 24 games. Marcus, when I coached in junior college here in California, we were in the South Coast Conference. You probably know that. Oh, okay. Actually, then. Yeah. LA City College was in the South Coast Conference. And we played 28 games, 28 game schedule instead of a 24 game schedule. Oh, okay. About four years ago, the state... It's called the CCCAA, California Community College Athletic Association. Used to be called the COA, Commission on Athletics. And the COA was a better name. Everyone knew what that was, COA. So, and it's easier to say, right? Zach, isn't COA easier to say than CCCAA? Yeah. Right. That's what I thought. There was a 28 game schedule. They cut it back to 24 with this idea that... They were going to be saving money. But the stupidity about that whole thing was this. All they did was hurt the players because they took away four games from you guys that you could have been playing. And they didn't shorten the season at all. The season had the same start date and same end date. So, the coaches were still being paid. The trainers were still being paid. Everybody was still being paid the same salary. Yeah. Had they really wanted to save money, they shortened the season. Not reduce the number of games. By shortening the season, the number of games would be reduced accordingly. But instead, they did it bass-ackwards, which was, we'll take away four games and we'll keep everything the same. Stupidity on the part of the CCCAA. So, now you guys only get to play 24 games. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. they haven't returned back to the 28 games. So you guys got cheated in my mind. So you guys didn't know this, but because I've been doing this a long time, I know. You guys got cheated out of four games. Four more games to play, Marcus. You know, that's two more tournaments. Yeah, it is. You know? And so that's not right. But anyway, oh, I see, Jeremy, I see a call on our board, and it looks like a call that we don't want to take. We take calls, 1-800-893-9562, provided the caller is not a nutso nurse named Barb from Palm Desert. Okay, we have a stalker on the show, Marcus. We have a stalker on the show. Yeah, that's never good. And it's not good, and especially if it's an insane nurse from Palm Desert. Okay? So we need... We need to drop this call, because I see the number, Jeremy, and it is a Palm Desert number. Drop this call. Goodbye. And if you have a real call, 1-800-893-9562 for Marcus or Zach. Something about East LA College. Something about Marcus or Zach, personally or basketball-wise. 1-800-893-9562. If you are an insane nurse, do not call the show. Okay. Okay. Now we're back to real life here, you guys. And, you know, Zach, you're the kind of guy that kind of you walk around campus, and you've kind of got that basketball with you, right? Yes, sir. I've seen you. And do you ever dribble a ball? Yeah. Like that? Like walk around campus, and you just, you're dribbling the ball? Yeah, it's fun. Yeah, exactly. And people look at you, and they probably go, are you about 6'7 now, Zach? Yes, sir. Okay, so you're about 6'7. They go, who's this tall guy dribbling a basketball? I guess he must be a basketball player. Okay, Zach, you graduate when? In June? Yes, sir. Okay. Finished in June. And you're ready to go, right? Oh, yeah. Okay. Who's recruiting you right now? Who are the main schools you're hearing from? Right now, Barlow University is one of my top schools. Okay. Barlow University, Westmont. I have a college out in Montana, called Rocky Mountain College. Okay. I'm in a NAIA. Okay. I'm actually going to take a visit up there next week on Wednesday, and I'm coming back on Friday. Okay, good. Where are they located, Rocky Mountain College? Where are they? In Montana. Sorry, Montana, Billings, Montana. Billings, Montana. Okay. Okay. So you're going to take a visit up there. Will that be your first visit? First official visit, yeah. Okay. And then you said Biola and Westmont. And who else are you hearing from? Well, I hear about Colby. I hear about the coaches, you know, here and there. I'm talking to a coach from a school called Academy of Arts. That's in San Francisco. Okay. I was talking to San Francisco State. It's a D2 in San Francisco as well. Okay. I'm still trying to get a situation to where I can go out there and visit them and check out the school and check out the team and everything. Okay. Now, how do you feel about going away from home or staying close to home? Well, you know, you know me and my mom have a close relationship. You know that. But I'm pretty much open to the situation of going out, you know, exploring a different place and becoming more of a man, you know. So me and my stepdad, we had talks about that. I'm pretty excited. So I can, you know, it'd be a good thing for me to stay home. But, you know, if there's a better opportunity to go to a different place I'd stay then. That's where I'm going to go. Okay. Okay. That's a good answer. Good healthy way of looking at things too. Now, that said, you're not in a rush, right? No. To rush in and make a decision right now, right? Right. You're going to allow the process to take place. You're going to take some trips and you're going to, you're going to have some, take some time, right? Exactly. Because there's also some Division I schools, I think, lurking out there for you. And I think as the next couple of weeks unfold, that some of those schools will become more and more interested. Right. Okay. So you need to take a deep breath. And just take your time. You've worked really hard for two years. There's no sense to rush this process and get it over with prematurely or too fast. If Biola really wants you or Westmont really wants you, they'll wait for you to allow you to make the best decision. Okay. So that's important to understand. Now, when I ask you that question about going away from home or staying close to home, it brings me to Marcus because Marcus, you are 3,000 miles from home because you're really from New York City, right? Yeah. That's a long way, man. That's a long way. Yeah, that's correct. 3,000 miles, Zach. Now, I want you to think about that for a minute. You know, as you sit there and think about maybe going away from home, Marcus is away from home 3,000 miles. So how has that been for you being basically far away from, you know, most people that you know? It's been a real transition. You know, hopefully, really, that I had, you know, grandparents here that made that transition a little bit easier. I had some cousins as well or whatnot, but it's been a big change. It's been a big change for me or whatnot, you know, and I'm really enjoying myself. Do you like California? I mean, I know that you have family here and that you've visited here and you've been here previously before you played this season at East LA College. I know you've been here, but... Do you like California? Yeah, I enjoy California, especially the weather. You know, you can't complain, you know, with that. But, you know, I enjoy being here, you know, similar to the city or whatnot, but more spaced out. Yeah, right. So, you know, it gives me, you know, a variety of things to do. Right. Have you been down to Venice Beach? Yes, I have. Okay. And have you been down to where the Staples Center is? Yeah. Kind of looks like Times Square a little bit, doesn't it? Yeah, a little mini Times Square. Mini Times Square. They're trying. They're trying, yeah. It's not quite the same. Now, Zach, probably doesn't know about that weather that you were referring to when you said, well, California has nice weather. Zach, probably you don't know about what the weather in New York City is like in December and January. If he'd been up to the mountains, then, you know, he might have experienced it. But, you know, other than that, you know, that's something that might affect your decision of where you want to go to school at. Yeah, the weather is one of my, you know, things, like the things I have to look about, look at. So, Zach, when you go to visit the Rocky Mountain, it's not going to be snowing. It's not going to be snowing up there when you go because this is the middle of April. But, Marcus, I'll bet if he were to visit Rocky Mountain College in the middle of December or the middle of January or the middle of February, I'll bet you it would look a whole lot different. It definitely will. And feel a whole lot different, right? Yeah. Okay. So, Marcus, now, as you transition into your sophomore year next year, I have a couple questions that we're going to get to, but I want to kind of skip ahead. If you can envision yourself at the end of your sophomore year, kind of like where Zach is right now, and I asked you this question, do you want to, as you go into looking in a four-year school, do you want to stay out west or would you rather go back east for, the next stop after your sophomore year? It really depends on, you know, which school provides the best opportunity for me. I would love to stay on the West Coast, you know, but I do love the competition that you, you know, that you get on the East Coast as well. Right, right. But, overall, you know, I, you know, the West Coast has been, you know, like a new experience for me, you know, and, you know, it feels like a fresh start, you know, starting college. Yeah. And I feel, you know, the West Coast would be the best, you know, decision for me. Yeah. Well, it's great that you're out here and you got to experience both and that's kind of what I'm wondering about Zach. Will he go somewhere different and experience both ends, you know, East Coast, South, you know, North, different than the West Coast like you've done right now and I think it's, it does open up your horizons when you, when you see something new, right? A different area of the country. It does. Yeah. Okay. All right. Well, we got a lot more to talk about with Marcus Romain and Zach Hinton. Let's, Scott, take a quick commercial break and we come back. We're going to talk a little bit about their season and their goals and their plans for the future in basketball. Hey, this is Coach Miller. I'm really excited to tell you about a great outfit located in Las Feliz called Holistic Acupuncture. Holistic Acupuncture specializes in the treatment of all sorts of sports injuries and it's a great outfit that's going to help you Go in and see my friends at Holistic Acupuncture. Give them a call. Make an appointment. 323-913-0023. Holistic Acupuncture. Give them a call. 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We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. Now, Zach, tell me what it was like to have Marcus on the team this year. Because, obviously, he plays a different style than the other guards that you had on your team. Correct. And, you know, he had some monster games this year. So tell me, I mean, you guys almost beat Chafee in the Riverside tournament to win the tournament. Right. Marcus had a big, big game. I think in the semifinals, you beat San Bernardino. Mm-hmm. Marcus had a big, big game. And I think that you guys played San Bernardino another time in the Pastina City College tournament. Marcus had a big, big game. Played Ventura. It was another good team. Huge game. Yeah, huge game. Marcus had a big, big game. So you got to play with Marcus, and you got to see how he played this year. Tell me what he brought to the team in particular that was different than what, you know, you had seen in the two years that you've been there. Well, first of all, let me start by saying, you know, you're going to have to be a little bit more careful. You know, Marcus is a really great player. I enjoyed playing with him. The thing that he brought to the table was, the thing about Marcus, Marcus really wants to win. And he knows how to win. So he brought that, you know, that winning spirit to the table, you know, in his own way. He was a leader, and he really helped us out. Mm-hmm. Marcus is just such a great player. I'm going to miss playing with him. Appreciate that. Were you surprised, Zach? I know you've never played with him. I know you've never played with him. I know you've never really played with the New York City guard before. Were you surprised at some of the things Marcus could do and how quick he could do them? Man, I was very surprised. I've never seen nobody go down the court and just keep going past everybody. He was like waving like a snake in the grass, you know. That's like the best way to put it. He was just blowing past everybody. Uh-huh. And so, you know, he has a good tempo to his game. So he knows when exactly. He knows exactly when to push the ball and when, you know, to calm down a little bit. But, you know, when he goes, he goes, and it helped us a lot. Right. What do you think that if you didn't have Marcus this year, because, I mean, he really stepped up big in some of those big games. Right. If you didn't have Marcus this year, what do you think would have happened? To be honest, Coach, I'm not even sure what would have happened. I'm just, you know, I'm glad he was here. Okay. So that's a great answer, huh? Yeah. Yeah. That's a great answer. Okay. Now, Marcus, don't you think that if Zach played in New York, he'd stand out just because of his energy and his rebounding and just how hard he plays? Don't you think he would just still stand out even in New York? Yeah, he would. He definitely would. Wouldn't it be great to take Zach there for the summer, take him to like Rucker, take him down to... Dykeman. Dykeman, yeah. Yeah. Take him out to some of the outdoor tournaments, Pro-Am. Yeah. Wouldn't it be great to take Zach to some of the Pro-Am tournaments? Yeah, it would be. You know, maybe... It would be a good experience for him. Yeah. Yeah. You know, maybe Basketball City. Yeah. Yeah, that's another one. I've heard about the record. I've always wanted to go out there and play. Yeah. Wouldn't that be great to take him there? I remember I had a little guard who's making big money now, playing overseas. His name was Jarrell Blassingame. You may have heard of him. Yeah. Yeah. He's from Brooklyn. He's from Fort Greene. You know Fort Greene? Yeah, I know where he is. He's from Fort Greene. He's making $100,000 a month right now, playing. He's 5'9", point guard. He was the starting point guard on this state championship team. Yeah. And he's made a lot of money. He's one of... Many people have made millionaires. One of many. One of many. One of many. And he developed a really close friendship with a player we had from Watts named Tyrone Riley. Tyrone Riley is Zach, but, you know, 11 years, 10, 11 years older. Okay. Tyrone played for me. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. machines and about 6'6", you know, kind of a undersized foreman. And like you, Zach, Tyrone, we had a, he had a lot of energy. His freshman year, well, we played in two state championship games with him and Jarrell, two in a row. The first year we lost the state championship game on a tip in with two tenths of a second left by one point to saddle back. And to this day, that's the only state championship they've ever won. Yeah. And the next year we were undefeated and we won the state championship. Now that first year, the freshman year for Jarrell and Tyrone, we played in the semifinals of the state tournament. Back then they had eight teams that made the, the arena. Now they have four. Back then they had eight and they played in an arena, not at a junior college. Like this year they played at Cerritos College. They used to play in an arena. We were playing at the University of Pacific up in Stockton and we were playing San Francisco City College, who was ranked number one. And I think they were undefeated. No, they weren't undefeated. They were, they had one loss on the year. They were like 32 and one. They were a big favorite over us. And we, we played them in the semifinals and we beat them to, to go to the championship game where we lost to saddle back. Well, we played them and we beat them in and we beat them good too. We beat them by about 20 points and Tyrone Riley had 27 rebounds in that game. 27 rebounds against the team that was ranked number one in the state, number one in the country. He had 27 rebounds in that game. I've never seen anything like it. I've been doing this 30 years. I've never seen anything like it. Now, Zach and Tyrone, they're like, I remember when I first told coach Mosley about Zach because he knew Tyrone. He saw him play for me. And I said, this guy's like, like Tyrone Riley. Yeah. I've never, I've never seen another player could rebound like that. Six, six. So you know, you guys kind of remind me of that duo. Like I said, Jarrell and Tyrone, I was getting to this point is that after the freshman year, Jarrell went home to New York, went home to, to Fort Greene for part of the summer and Tyrone wanted to go. Like what Zach's saying, he wanted to go play in the Rucker and he wanted to go play at basketball city. And so he used to coach, he used to tell me, coach, coach, I want to go to New York. I want to go to New York. So we got him, we got him on a plane and we, we sent him to New York for the summer for about three, four weeks and he got to play. Made a little name for himself back there. Oh yeah. He got to play with Tippy, Tippy, you know, Jarrell played with Tippy and um, got a cough button here. Hit. Okay. Uh, Jarrell played with Tippy and got Tyrone, um, and, and some of the pro-am stuff in the summer. And, um, but here's the one thing I know, Tyrone wanted to come home. He called me up after about a week, coach, I miss Watts. I want to come home. I miss Watts. I want to come home. I said, well, Tyrone, you got a ticket. You got in two more weeks. You can't go anywhere. You got two more weeks. You got to stay there. Anyway. Um, great memories that you guys are, are producing now that you'll appreciate even more 10 years from now, because those guys, stay in touch. They're both pros. Jarrell still making big money. Tyrone's been a pro. He's played overseas six or seven years. Um, different countries, not, he hasn't made as much as Jarrell hasn't been as successful. And I don't think he played this year, but he's still, he's still ready to play overseas. Okay. On that note, let me take this call. Caller, you're on the air. Go ahead, Scott, put them through. Caller, you're on the air. I hope this isn't nurse Barb. Hello. Hello. Hey, how you doing? I'm doing great. Do you have a question for Zach or for Marcus? Zach. You have a question for Zach. Go ahead. What's your name? My name is Tina. Tina. Yes. Tina. This is coach Miller. Tina. This is coach Miller. You're on the air. What's your question for Zach? What's your plan for basketball? Go ahead, Zach. My plan for basketball. Um, that's a good question. Well, you know, I plan to make this a future career of mine and I'm just trying to play as long as I can and take it as far as I can with it. You know, um, basketball has helped me become the man who I am today along with that. And the parents, the parents, the parents, the parents, the parents, the parents, the parents, the parents, the parents, the parents, the parents, the parents, the parents, the parents, the parents, and the great parents that I have. So the great parents you have and combined with the, the things you've learned in basketball have made you the man you are today. Yes, sir. Okay. That's a, that's a great answer, isn't it, Tina? Okay. All right, Tina. Well, I appreciate you, you calling in and, um, I'll tell you what, uh, great things are in the future for Zach and Marcus. And I'm, I'm sure you'll, you'll agree with me that that future is very, very bright. It is very, very bright. Yes, it is. Okay. Thank you for the call. You're welcome. Okay. So, um, wow, that was a good call. I have a feeling Marcus, that might be someone who knows Zach though. Yeah. You know, I got that feeling. Did you get that feeling? I mean, I, I mean, I may be a little bit slow. Sometimes I feel like cars are just passing me by on the freeway, but you know, you know what I'm saying? Just like, boom, just going right by me, but I may be a little bit slow, but that was the feeling I got that that person knew, knew Zach. So, okay. We've got another call. Caller, you're on the air. Hey, how you doing? I'm doing great. Super. Hey, I just want to say, um, hats off to you doing a wonderful job with the basketball program this year. Oh, well, thank you. I appreciate it. Um, we, we have a good show. We try to highlight, uh, you know, players and coaches. Uh, we cover high school, prep school, small college, and even pro basketball. So, um, I, I appreciate the compliment. Now, uh, do you have a question for Zach or Marcus? Yeah, I got a question. Um, what, what, what did they go to, uh, East Los Angeles? Where they, uh, what brought them to that school? Oh, okay. That's a great question. Marcus, were they, were they recruited or did they just, uh, decide to go there or just, just walk in off the street kind of thing? I'll take that question first. And you're actually talking to the, to the guy, you know, that, um, played a big part in me making that decision, you know, coach Miller, you know, he's been, um, since the first day I met him, you know, he's been a great, a great guy. You know, he's, um, always had good advice for me. And, um, you know, I just, you know, felt comfortable with the direction that he was pushing me. Towards. So, um, coach Miller was a big, um, influence on the decision that I made and also coach John Mosley as well. Okay. That's good. I love telling this story. Well, um, Mike Miller, he found me in, um, in high school. So, um, yeah, he found me in a tournament up there and, um, I used to go to Benjamin Franklin high school located in Highland park, Los Angeles. Um, Mike Miller was recruiting me for a while and he wanted me to go to his prep school. But the thing is, you know, um, with money issues, I couldn't, couldn't go. And my grades weren't up to part as they are now. So my, I had three choices. It was either Glendale, Pasadena, or East Los Angeles. I was previously talking to the coach at East Los Angeles, but I wasn't really feeling it. I wasn't, I didn't really like it that much. So I had two choices, which was either Glendale or East Los Angeles. And I was like, I'm going to go to the coach. And I was like, I'm going to go to the coach. And I was like, I'm going to go to the coach. And I was like, I used to be at ELI, he left and then John Moseley got the job. So Mike Miller was telling John Moseley about, about me and John Moseley was trying to recruit me. And I wasn't, you know, trying to go over there. I actually, um, had made my decision to stay at Glendale and, but John Moseley, he was still, um, trying to get me to go to his prep school. So, um, so that was the first option to get me and trying to get me and mike miller had talked to my parents and you know i trust mike miller he's on he's a big part of the reason why i'm successful today and so i sat down with my mom we had a talk and everything and i ended up at elike and it was the best decision i ever made college-wise so far it was uh it was a great decision because it turned out that you could make a big name for yourself there and that you're going to graduate on time you're going to graduate without taking summer school exactly and you're going to be able to go to a four-year school and i don't believe caller that zach would have graduated in the two-year window had he gone to glendale or pasadena i don't believe he would have graduated in the two-year window because very few of the players coming out of those programs do you so i think that that zach made a great choice and um but you know that's a that's a that's a really good question so um you know i i don't know um zach looking back on it it's easy to say you made a great choice right right but the the the caller's question was well what made you decide to go to east la so at the end of the day what was the final turning point that that got you to go to east la college over glendale or pasadena well like you said um i probably wasn't going to graduate in time and um it was a big big decision with you and i decided on my parents like i said so i always take your advice and you said that elac was a better better choice for me and you know so basically basically you uh you felt that uh that uh um they had your best interest in mind and uh and you felt that the program would be was a winner exactly and what's funny is east la hadn't been a winner in they hadn't won the conference title in 42 years and they hadn't been a winner i don't even know if they've had more than one or two winning records in the last 40 years until these last two two seasons zach has been on the team so so that's your secret coach you you're you're the recruiter you go out to the high schools and get all the all the fantastic players you know what i i'm a good a really good evaluator of talent and i'm able to project it and i'm able to see see things in people and in players that i think other people don't see um and that's not just in basketball but in in business things too i'm able to see something in them um and that's not just in basketball but in in business things too i'm able to see something in them um and that's not just in basketball but in in business things too i'm able to see something in them um and that's not just in basketball but in in business things too i'm able to see something in them um and that's not just in basketball but in in business things too i'm able to see something in them evaluator of talent and I'm able to project it and I'm able to see, see things in people and in players that I, that I think other people don't see. Um, and that's not just in basketball, but in, in business things too, I'm able to see something in them. So when I saw Zach, I saw something that other people didn't see apparently. And so when he's sitting here today, having been first team all conference this year, right, Zach? Yes, sir. And having won the conference championship and being recruited, going on, getting ready to go on recruiting trips and being offered scholarships at, at schools. I mean, to me, none of that surprises me because I saw that in him. Um, other people didn't see it. I guess I went and saw Zach play. I don't remember Zach. See the first tournament I saw you in was it a Huntington Huntington park, right? Around Christmas time. Yes, sir. And after that caller, I went to see him play what probably about three or four more times, Zach. Yes, sir. And I was just really impressed with what I saw. I just, I saw, I even went to his practice once at Franklin high school. I was just really impressed with what I saw. And I thought this guy has the ability to be a special, special player. The same with Marcus. When I saw Marcus play, was in an old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, old, and I liked what I saw. I saw him in a situation where most players weren't trying to pass the ball past the ball. I saw him in that situation. And I, and I thought to myself, you know, I wanted to see more because most players in an open gym don't even pass the ball. And, and, and he was passing the ball, trying to make other people better. So that, that, that opened up my eyes and I, and I looked some more. So, well, obviously you've got you've got definite, you know, wisdom as far as recruiting talent. I mean, you got one hell of a win record there. Well, I wish these guys had played for me at our prep school, to be honest, but I'm not selfish. So I what I did was I did I did what was best for them, not what was best for me. And if they had played for me at our prep school, we would have won a lot more games. And and probably would have, you know, done done some different things. But but I'm really proud of both of them. And especially Zach, because Zach, you know, he was a guy who didn't do great his freshman year, did good. Like Marcus really, really did a lot more his freshman year than Zach did Zach's freshman year. And, you know, the coach at East LA College is a former player of mine. He played for me. You know, this is. Over 25 years ago. So, you know, I've known him a long time and I and I know he's a good coach. I know he, you know, someone that I've mentored as well. So I feel like, you know, if I'm going to mentor someone, I can help them along the way. And with someone that I knew and I think I was right. Right, Zach? It turned out to be the best choice for you. Right. And Marcus, I think it was right. I think it turned out to be in retrospect. You sit here and look at it. It was a great choice for you, too. Yeah, it was. Yeah, it was the best choice. Yeah. So anyway. That's outstanding. You keep up the good work and I'll be watching y'all. Yeah. Well, you got to watch East LA College next year. Marcus will be a sophomore. And when we find out where Zach is going to go about a month from now, we'll have to both be watching Zach play because it's Zach is worth the price of a ticket because I'm telling you what, a guy that goes out and gets 20 rebounds. What was your season high this year, Zach? 20 rebounds. 20 rebounds, right? Yes, sir. You hear me? 20 rebounds in one game. Yeah, that's amazing. That's that's worth the price of a ticket in my mind. Yeah. So anyway, great call. Thanks for calling in. OK, we have another call here. I'm going to we've got a couple more calls here, you guys, before we let you go. And we still have another guest to get on the show here. But let me see what we've got here. We've got another call caller. You're on the air. Go ahead. Hey, my name is Chris. I'm from L.A. Hey, Chris. Thanks for calling in. Hey, I had a question for both the guys here. Great. In basketball, you know, you have ups and downs in your season. And I just was wondering, what was a moment or what was a time when the guys just kind of was like, you know what, at this moment, I got to do something, you know. And how'd that go? That moment actually came early for us. It came at the beginning of the season where we opened up losing two in a row in a tournament that we should have won, clearly. It was tough because it's the beginning of the season. We have about eight, nine freshmen. Yeah. Eight, nine freshmen, and everybody's just getting used to each other and getting acclimated to the system that the coaches run. So our leaders like Zach and our leaders like Aaron Cheatham, they helped tremendously with that, making everyone comfortable and just sticking to what the coach was enforcing. Okay, okay, okay. Zach, how about you? Well, yeah, the big part of basketball, the thing is you have to build that trust and you have to guess. You have to guess. You have to become a family. And in the beginning, we weren't really a family yet. Everybody was still trying to, you know, figure out how do I play or how does my teammate play? How can I make him better or what can I do for myself to make the team better? We weren't exactly on that level yet. And losing early in the season, it helped us a lot. It helped us a lot, you know, go through a learning process early and figure out what exactly we needed to do, you know, just to be able to play. And then, you know, we started winning and become closer, become more of a family. That's great. That's great. I kind of saw you guys from a distance over the course of a year. And, you know, as you guys know, Juco basketball is different from just about any kind of basketball there is out there. You know, it just looked like, you know, I guess those couple losses at the beginning and, you know, to end up where you ended at the end of the year, I know it's kind of like a night and day kind of deal. Yeah. Yeah. It was a disappointing end of the year, I think, for them because they lost in the playoffs much earlier than they wanted to. And they lost to a team that I think they probably felt like they were better than. It happens because college basketball, like high school basketball, it's a one-and-done. It's a one-and-done scenario. And I know, speaking from my perspective, having coached three different teams to state championships, I know that there were four or five more teams I had that could have won a state championship and maybe should have won a state championship but didn't because you play one game and you play bad or you play not even bad, just maybe you play a C-plus or a B-minus game, you know, average or a little above average, and the other team plays. And you lose by one or two. And you don't get that back. And so that's the one thing I like about the NBA is the NBA, you get the real champion because it's a best of seven. You always get the best team come out. The best team come out because you can't tell me that the best team didn't win. You know, when a guy says or a player or a coach says, oh, well, you know, the Clippers beat us four to three and, you know, we're really better than them. Well, you know what? You should have won another game. Exactly. I mean, you had seven chances and you only won three times. So you can't tell me that you were better than them. Now, in college or high school, the one game, you know, it can happen. And also the variable of officiating. And I think East LA experienced some officiating this year that wasn't very good because. Because the officials are not used to East LA winning. And what happens is, and I've been on both sides of this in junior college. I was the guy starting out the new guy and, you know, didn't get the calls. And then I later in my career, when we were so dominant, we'd won 14 straight conference titles, you know, by the fifth, sixth, seventh conference championship in a row, we were getting all the calls because it's a mindset. And officials are human beings and they have prejudices and feelings just like anyone else. And that's why, like, I think about police all the time and people try to say, well, there's no profiling. No, that's not true. Police profile, you know, because they have, they're human beings. And if they see, you know, a black guy in a certain kind of car in a certain kind of neighborhood, they're going to pull them over and they're going to, they're going to assume he's a gang member. He might not be. I mean, I've had a player that's a middle-class kid with two parents in the home. One's a lawyer and one's an engineer, but he drives a Monte Carlo and he goes in the wrong neighborhood and he's from the suburbs. So the Monte Carlo in the suburbs doesn't mean the same thing as a Monte Carlo in Compton or South central. And he goes in the wrong neighborhood. The police pull him over. He's a nice kid. But they're profiling. And. Referees do the same thing. They profile. So they're not used to seeing East LA win. And so they, East LA suffered this year, a lot of bad calls because of that. That will not happen all the time, but that's happening right now. And would you guys agree with that? Zach and Marcus? Yeah. That's, that's facts. That's what you're talking right now. Yeah. So anyway, anyway, caller, I think, you know, he's still a season end a little bit too soon for them for their taste. Um, I think that they, they had a really good year. They had a great year, obviously when the conference and first time in 42 years, they lost a few games down the stretch in conference play that maybe they would like to have had back and maybe they, they didn't play as well as they should have or wanted to, but overall what a great year they had. What a great year. Yeah. Do you have a, you have a follow up or are we good? Oh, that's, that's pretty much it. Okay. Well, I appreciate your call. It was Chris, right? Yes. I appreciate your call, Chris. Thank you for calling our show. All right. Thanks for having us. So, Hey guys, congrats on your year. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. That was a great call. Uh, Jeremy, let's take a quick commercial break. And when we come back, we'll wrap up with Marcus and Zach. 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If you're anyone else and you have a legitimate basketball question, you may call 1-800-893-9562. Okay. Uh, this is now the third call in a row. From Palm desert or Palm Springs. So you guys don't know what I'm dealing with here. This is like, this is like a disc jockey scratching a record. It's just not good. Okay. We've got a real call. Caller you're on the air. Go ahead. Yes. Hi. I was calling to speak to Zach. Okay. What is his plans after school? You mean after East LA college or after, after he goes to a four year school? After he goes to a four year school. Okay. Zach, do you know your plans after you go to, or right now, or your plans trying to figure out what four year school to go to? Honestly, I'm just still trying to, um, you know, get my mind straight, you know, trying to find out the best situation for me and the best school to go to at the moment. Okay. Okay. Well, I want you to, I want him to know that, that his cousin Valerie is pushing him straight forward. Okay. Nice. Valerie. Is this Valerie? Yes, it is. Well, Valerie, Zach is a, fantastic young man, which you already know if you're his cousin. And do you have any advice for Zach about what kind of four year university he should be looking at? Well, no, not, not really, but I just want him to stay focused because there are many schools out there that he can attend to. Okay. So your biggest thing is for him to stay focused, right now. Yep. Stay focused. Okay. Yeah. And I think Zach had a great answer because, you know, I think the, the, the, the focus at hand to use your words, Valerie, is to figure out what four year school to go to. That's more important than what, what's he going to do after the four year school? I think, you know, one step at a time, right, Valerie? That's right. Okay. Well, listen, thank you for calling in. We appreciate your support. Thank you very much. All right. Good luck to you guys. Okay. So Zach, Marcus, we're going to take another couple minutes here and then we're going to, we're going to bring in our, our, our last guest of the evening. And we're going to talk about the lab and we're going to talk about the lab. It's an amazing recruiting service and, and activity that coach Stover is going to talk about with us on the air. And, and they've got this neat app that I mentioned earlier in the show that, that, that tracks the players wherever they're playing. It's fantastic. If you're a four year school. Now we'll take another minute or two and wrap this up with you guys. So if you look back on your season, Marcus, who stands out as the best team that you played against the whole year? The best team. It would have to be San Bernardino Valley. Is that right? You played them twice, right? Yeah. We played them twice. Yeah. I agree with them. Oh, you do. I agree with them. Okay. And you beat them both times, right? Okay. Was that a fluke? That you beat him both times? No. Yeah. You can't be, um, two, you can't be the team back to back in college basketball and, and it could be a fluke. Okay. That's never the case. Okay. So you guys deserve to beat him both times. Yeah. Yes, sir. Absolutely. You were better than them. Both nights. Both nights. Okay. And then didn't they play in the state championship game? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They lost? They lost. Okay. How do you think you beat him, Zach? What was the big thing that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, you over the top to beat him? Um, our hard work, our hard work during, um, during practice. That's what it was. Okay. Cause the coach, coach Mosley, he, he, um, he makes practice hell and, you know, after, after practice, we keep going, we keep going, we fight, we fight, we fight. That's one thing that people like don't do. I mean, um, like, you know, like we don't, we don't give up. That's one thing that we don't do. And we, honestly, I think we have, we have more heart than them and, and more desire to win. Okay. All right. Now, Marcus, if you look back at the best players you played against, who stands out? Dwayne Benjamin from, what was the school? I forgot. Dwayne Benjamin. Okay. He was at Mount San Jacinto. Mount San Jacinto. Mount San Jacinto. He signed with Oregon, University of Oregon. Yeah. The Pac, 10. Yeah. The kid, Chris Reyes. He had a good, um, playoff game against us. He's from Citrus. Yeah. He was a real post president. And I was the real true post player that we played for the whole year. He's absolutely one of the best post players that we played against. Yeah. And, um, Jerry Blakes. That's, that's three. Jeremy, send the calls to the voicemail now. Um, okay. So, so Jerry Blakes was at San Bernardino, right? Yeah. Okay. So, Zach, who, who stands out in your mind? Is it the same guys or? Yeah. Someone different. The biggest person that I would say was, um, was Chris Reyes. From, from Citrus? From Citrus. Even though I did my very best, you know, uh, play against him. He, he was better than me that day. Where is he going to school? Do you guys know? I have no idea. Utah. Is he going to Utah? Yeah. From what I heard. University of Utah? Yeah. Oh, okay. I didn't, I didn't know that. Okay. Um, let me see here. If it, if it says where he's going, Chris Reyes, I think. Yep. Utah. Utah is correct. Yep. Okay. Yep. Utah. Pac-10. Yeah. Actually, people like to correct me and they say, oh no, that's the Pac-12. And I say, no, you're wrong. I correct them. It's the Pac-10 plus two teams from the mountain time zone. That's what it really is. It's the Pac-10 plus two. Um, so yeah, he's going to Utah. Okay. So Chris Reyes was the best guy. You played all, all your Zach. Yeah. Okay. And the best guard was Jerry Blakes from, yeah, from San Bernardino. Yeah. Okay. I gotcha. He's going to Arizona state. Yeah. I believe. All right. Um, one other player that stuck out to me was, um, was Taj from Pasadena. Oh, Taj from Pasadena. Where's he going? Do you know? He's going, he committed to, um, Cal Baptist university. Did he? Yeah. Okay. Well, he's a guard. No, he's on, he's a forward. He's a forward. How big? He's about, about six, six. Okay. Does he play your position Zach? Yes, sir. Oh, okay. Now is Cal Baptist recruiting you still? Yeah. We talk time to time. Okay. So they, they, they, they want you to, you think they still want you now that they got this Taj guy committed? Uh, that's a good question. That's a good question. Um, we'll have to talk about that. Okay. All right. All right. Well, it's their loss if they don't want you. So I wouldn't worry about it. It'll be okay. All right. Well, listen, it's been great to have you guys on the air. I'm going to, um, I'm going to, um, run one little commercial here. 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Oh, that must be Coach Stover. Hey coach, come on in. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Glad to be here. Welcome back. Thank you. We love having you on the show and sometimes it's great to have your wife come on with you because she's a great guest too. Yes, she is. So you want to give a shout out to your lovely wife? Of course. You know, we couldn't do without my wife, Rena Stover. So she manages all the stuff that we do at the Student Athlete Lab and BTI and all the stuff that we do and everybody's in. And on our academic game, we want to make sure we give a lot of shouts out to Jason Weatherall who runs that whole portion of what he was here with me last weekend and we couldn't do without Jason. Jason Weatherall. What a great guy. He was here on the show last week with you. And we are excited about the all academic game. This is a great idea. This game was created by you. You. You coach Stover and your associates. Yes. Okay. This game was created by you and your associates to reward and showcase students that are exceptional on the basketball court, but that are also exceptional students. Yes. I love the word student athlete. Coach Jim Herrick taught me that phrase many years ago. Student athlete. What a great, great phrase. Okay. This game will consist of 24 student athletes. Yes. All of these players are academically eligible to play collegiate basketball. As soon as they graduate, they will have all been through the NCAA eligibility process. Yes. I recommended a player to you last week that I know is a 3.94 student, Daryl McMillan from View Park Academy. Yes. And they won the city championship division five. Yes. And they're very well. Yeah. What a great team. What a great player. Daryl, if you're listening, Mr. McMillan, if you're listening, I recommended Daryl Jr. to be in this game. This is a prestigious game. The game is going to be Sunday, May 4th at Cathedral High School at 2.30. Cathedral High School is located at 1253 Bishop's Road in downtown Los Angeles. Hey, the event will be a great, great event. There's going to be a meet and greet brunch, media time, speaker series, practice time in the game. Wow. It'll be a full day. The average GPA of the players in the game is 3.43. That's when you add up all of the GPAs together, coach, and you divide them out. 3.43. What a great GPA. Nick Hamilton, of Westchester, with a 4.0. Actually, it's over a 4.0, isn't it? But a 4.1 or 4.2, especially with honors classes, it makes them boost over to 4.0 much. That's right. That's right. And he is in the game and he's a great kid. Boy, does he play hard too. There's some other great players in the game. And I think there's a website. I think it's called www.allacademicgame.com. Yes. Does that sound right, coach? Yeah, exactly. That's our website. We built the website so we can give homage to these players. And like you say, student athlete. Coach Eric was a great coach and has a lot of great stuff that he taught us all. And one of the things that we really put first and foremost is putting student before the athlete. No question. That's the way to go. That's the way to go. www.allacademicgame.com. And you've got a roster there. And I want to look at the roster, coach, before we wrap things up for the evening. If I can pull it up. I don't know how fast my website will work here. But again, we're going to sure try. Let me see here if I can get it. It's not come up yet. Okay. The coaches. Let's talk about that. The coaches for the game you mentioned last week on the air were going to be Trey Meeks of Alameda. Yes. Great coach. Great following. And he helps get a lot of kids into college. I've known Trey for a while, going back and forth with us when we played him at Windward. And just a lot of kids in our program and our BTI program. And we helped a lot of kids get into college that way. So we're very happy and pleased that Trey's going to be one of our coaches. Nice. And then the other coach is George Zidan of Cantwell Sacred Heart. Yeah. Coach of Cantwell Sacred Heart. I got to see him play a couple of times this year. And he really does a great job on the sideline and really teaches. And you can see how well coached the kids are. You know, me and you and our profession. That's one thing that sticks out when you have a coach out there really, you know, doing the X and O's and really making our kids better and then helping them get into college. I think that's a big part of what we really all need to be about. Yeah, that's that's the truth. And he does a great job. I've seen him coach and I really like what he does. OK, you know, I'll give you a little tidbit, though, coach, the coach at Cantwell Sacred Heart before George Zidan was a former player of mine named Greg Gilmore, who's now coaching at Pioneer High School in Whittier. So I followed Cantwell. And when I used to coach high school basketball years ago at Cathedral, we played Cantwell. One year they were in the Santa Fe League with us my last year at Cathedral. And I was a fan of Cantwell. And I was a fan of Cantwell. And they had a great coach then named Mitch Langell. Mitch Langell, his nickname was the Plastic Man. He was long limbed guy, white guy, long limbed. And he was called the Plastic Man. And we had a great team and Art Ramos and Ace Ayala. I remember some of the players they had and we beat them both times in conference, in league, very close games. And they were really, really good team. Cantwell Sacred Heart. Okay. Now, let's talk about the Student Athlete Lab. We don't have a lot of time. We, you know, coming into this segment, people heard our commercial about the Student Athlete Lab. Okay. So, you know, it's a mission to seek and help play student athletes and college basketball coaches in contact to provide the best possible opportunity to find the best possible fit for the school and for the student athlete. Yep. That's what the Student Athlete Lab is all about. And I'll tell you what, Coach, it reminds me a little bit about what you guys are really trying to do. It's a little bit like a real estate service, like a broker bringing buyers and sellers together. Exactly. Right? It's a middle ground. It's a middle ground. You guys are trying to create profiles on all these players right now. And they join us for free. That's what's amazing. The players join for free. And they get to be part of this app that we talked about. Yes. What's the name of that app? It's a Student Athlete Lab Player Locator. Yeah. It's an app that we developed. And we want to make sure that we're bridging the gap, like you're saying, bridging the gap between the student athlete and the colleges. The key thing that nowadays, we get a lot of transfers because kids go to school and they don't know, what's the right fit or the coaches recruit a kid. As you know, they'll recruit a kid and then the kid doesn't qualify for their school. Right. Right. And we want to make sure that we're doing everything because on our, on the Student Athlete Lab profile, you will have your SAT scores. You have your SAT scores. You will have your official transcripts on there. So coaches can go in there and look and be a little bit more strategic. And then by having a player locator, now they know exactly where they can also go see them, those kids play. Right. Yeah. And so that makes a big difference in really kind of bridging that gap to make sure our goal is to get every kid in a high sight in the college. Yeah. And, and making sure that we're doing everything to help. And there's a lot of fathers out there, a lot of moms out there who don't know about the NCAA clearinghouse, don't know about the 48H and the different classes that you need to qualify. And we want to educate them and that's what we do. Right. Yeah. That's a great thing. And so the app is amazing because this locator, shows the coaches where the player is going to be playing and next and when and the day and the time in the gym. Right. It just tells the coach exactly where to go to see the player. All right. That's a great piece of technology that you guys have put together. Now the student athlete lab, it's a great thing. If you're a student athlete and a parent, you should be joining this. It's for free. Right. No reason not to. And if you're a coach, it's a minimal charge. It's only $250 to join. And, uh, you get all this information. You save yourself lots of time, lots of money. So there's no reason not to join in my opinion. Coach, we're running out of time as always here. We just never seem to have enough time on our show. Um, let's get back to our all academic game that we really want to push here. Yes. Okay. That's going to be May 4th at Cathedral High School. That's at 2.30. It's a great, great event. It's a one of a kind, uh, opportunity. Um, I've never heard of a game like this before. It's a great idea. And I think that it's going to be very well received. Um, May 4th at Cathedral High School, 2.30. The all academic game. This is a game coach that was created to reward and showcase exceptional student athletes. Yes. And, uh, you've got some in this game. I mean, led by, uh, Nick Hamilton of Westchester, who's just a, plays hard. He's a beast. Yes. Yes. He's a very good player. And we were recommended by, um, by his coach. And we go to all the head coaches to have them recommend different players. So, and that's what our process has been about. I, I just can't say enough about Jason and what a great job he did by picking this team. And it's going to be a great event. Yeah. I like Jason Weatherall as well. Jason Weatherall. Yep. He did a great job. And, uh, I wish he had, we had him in the, in the studio tonight, coach, but I will be there. May 4th, I'm going to be there at your all academic game. I'm excited about it. I'm going to be there and maybe we'll, um, we'll have that little report from timeout with coach Miller. That'd be great. Yeah. So anyway, um, let's, uh, let's close out the show with our, um, theme song. Uh, Scott, we have our theme song. It's called timeout with coach Miller. It's by little Kev. And he did a great job with this. Uh, rap. It's got a little beat to it. I really like it's got, it's got some nice lyrics too. Uh, have you heard the song coach? It is very catchy. It's very catchy. Yeah. I like it a lot. Let's close out with, with our theme song. Here you go. A little Kev. 16 made a dream with this basketball coach Miller on the court. And we going hard past the rock to the paint. I give him all to be like Chris Paul. Shoot the three points. Y'all look, it's time out with coach Miller, 14, straight conference championships. We winners. It don't stop from the bottom to the ceiling. Cause all I know is when we went in full focus. We got a topic to discuss high school prep school, small colleges. Yeah. Another special guest today. Listen up. It might get a little hectic from the stuff we've discussed. Welcome to the 500 club. We the best. My whole team tough, close to 100 division ones. I built up dedication and hard work. Step up to the court. I'm like, who ready to lose first 14 times champs every year, earned feet to the court. Let me get in my zone. Hands grip to the ball. Let me get in control. Nonstop. Can't quit. That's the winners. Quote, I'm a just keep doing me. Hit the crowd as they cheer 18 out of 19 coach of the year. Time out with coach Miller. Listen, clear this two times a week. Listen to me on the ear over 30 wins. It was for four straight years. First of Wednesday, my high school and college career over 30 wins. It was for four straight years. First of Wednesday, my high school and college career. It was for four straight years. It was for four straight years. It was for four straight years. It was for four straight years. It was for four straight years. It was for four straight years. Look, it's time out with coach Miller. 14 straight conference championships. We winners. It don't stop from the bottom to the ceiling. Because all I know is win. And we winning. Full focus. We got a topic to discuss. High school, prep school, small colleges. Yup. Another special guest. Guess today, listen up, it might get a little hectic from the stuff we discuss. State champs, high school and JC, he was the first coach to do it in California history. Coach Miller, he can beat any team, got shooters on the court and dunkers dunk everything. He got to win, so the plan is defeat, been coaching on the court before he turned 18. From 08, going down to 93, he was the conference champs, home of the LACC. Youngest coach to beat 500 teams, 43, everybody came doing like he. A coach is something he was destined to be. Now we got a race. Radio show to discuss some things, talking informative conversations, listen to the real. Tuesday and Friday at night from 10 to 12. A live show, tune in and listen well. Special guests that take audience calls as well.