Welcome to Time Out with Coach Mike Miller. Coach Miller is the basketball coach with the most wins in LACC history, coaching his teams to a national record of 14 straight conference championships, breaking UCLA's old record of 13. Coach Miller is the first basketball coach in California basketball history to win a state championship at both the high school and college levels. Coach Miller has been honored as Coach of the Year 18 times and has produced almost 100 Division I players. For the next two hours, get ready for stats, facts, rants, and your opportunity to chat with one of the most successful basketball coaches in the entire country and his friends. Time Out with Coach Mike Miller. Hey, welcome to Time Out with Coach Miller. Glad to be here again. Again, tonight, we've got a great show lined up. We've got some really good guests. And our first guest, I'm going to introduce him right away. This is Kenny Brown. Kenny is a Stanford guy. We're going to open our show with a segment on Stanford basketball. Kenny, when did you play at Stanford? So I played from 2004 to 2009. So I graduated high school in 2004. Great. So you're a recent graduate of Stanford. I mean, 2009, let me see if I do my math. That's a... Five years? Yes, a little over five years. Okay. So you played for Coach Dawkins. Yes. Actually, you have an interesting story because you and I have talked about it before off the air. In theory, you've played for three coaches at Stanford. In theory. Right. My recruitment was actually done under Mike Montgomery in his era. Then he went on to the Warriors. Then Trent Johnson came from Nevada. Right. Who actually was an assistant under Mike Montgomery. And then Trent Johnson came from Nevada uh, during my fifth year, I registered my freshman year during my fifth year, they, um, coach Dawkins asked me to play again. And so I said, I jumped at the opportunity. Um, you know, they said that my scholarship would be there. So I took it. Okay. So how did that work? You, you had graduated already? Correct. So at Stanford, it works. You graduate and then you can pursue a second degree as long as it relates to your, um, career. You have to write a proposal, you have to kind of apply for it, and then they kind of grant you that. Okay. So you, so you registered your first year and that was under, uh, Trent Johnson. Correct. So then you played three years with him. Correct. Graduated. Then coach Dawkins comes in, takes over. Trent Johnson left for the, job at what, LSU? LSU. Okay. So he leaves, goes to LSU and then coach Dawkins gets hired from Duke. Correct. He comes in and you're there and you have a year of eligibility left, but you've already graduated. I've already graduated. I was getting ready for the next step of my life, um, which ended up being dental school. Um, and I was just kind of hanging around. Uh, I was hanging around the gym, you know, just still working out, still shooting, still working. So I was just kind of hanging around the gym, you know, just still working out, still hanging out with the guys. And he saw me there and we talked about it. And one day he gave me a call and said, Hey, would you like to pursue this last year of your eligibility? Wow. Were you surprised? I was a little bit surprised to be reaching out, you know, for him to reach out to me like that. I would expect, you know, maybe if I asked him, you know, he would be, you know, friendly to the idea, but to have him call me and ask me about that, I was a little bit surprised. Um, I was happy to help him kind of, you know, inaugurate his season as a head coach, come to Stanford, be someone who's been there for a little while. Um, and so it was, it was a good position. It was a good position. How did you do your senior year? Was that your best year of your career there? So probably not my best year. Um, really that senior year, it was a tough year for the whole team. Uh, we was a big transition. Um, I think it was a transition for everyone, coach Dawkins, the team. Um, and we really kind of struggled. We were inconsistent. Match up to our complete potential. Okay. We had come off some really high years when we had Brooke and Robin Lopez. Sure. Um, we were at the sweet 16, so we had come up from really high years. So it was, it was just kind of a rollercoaster a little bit. So you played with Brooke and Robin Lopez, the famous Lopez twins, right? They're both in the NBA now, right? Yes. Yes. Okay. And so how many years did you play with them? Were they in your class though? No. So they were a couple of years below me, but they only stayed for two years. Okay. So I played with, uh, both of them, their freshmen and sophomore year. So your, the sweet 16 years were their sophomore year, which was your scene. No, your junior year. Well, yeah, my red shirt, junior, your red shirt, junior year. Exactly. So 2008. Okay. So, and, and how about your sophomore year, their freshman year? We had gotten to the tournament and gotten beat by Louisville. Oh, wow. We got beat pretty bad, but it was, it was a great experience for us because, uh, what it allowed us to do is allow us to understand the intensity of the tournament, um, as a team. Okay. You know, each team really needs to experience the intensity of a tournament. Right. You can't have just one player who's been there before and take everybody with them. Right. It doesn't work like that. Okay. So Louisville beat you guys, but that helped prepare you to come back and be hungry for the following year when you guys went to the sweet 16. Exactly. You know exactly where you, what you need to do, how you need to get there. Um, which is why you see so many times, uh, repeat teams and back to back years in the NCAA. Right. Now let me, let me take you back to your red shirt, junior year when you went to the sweet 16. Tell us about that, that NCAA tournament trip and that experience. Who did you play first and what happened and who did you play next and how did that go? So, uh, our first game we played, um, Cornell. Oh, okay. Uh, Cornell was, uh, was the Ivy who made it into the tournament. Actually it was Cornell and Penn both made it. Uh, we beat them, uh, pretty good. Um, I was very fortunate to have a great game that time. And I'll tell you a funny story. Like I, I actually, when I was in junior in high school, I was sending letters out to people. To recruit you. To recruit me. Right. Because I, you know, at some point in time, it's like, okay, I have to get after it too. Right. Um, so you have to make it happen. You have to make it happen. You have to make it happen. You have to make it happen. You have to make it happen. You have to make it happen. So I was sending letters out. Cornell was one that I sent letters out to. They were the ones who actually responded with the rejection as in our team was full. So it was actually a very kind of a sweet moment for me to have that, uh, little revenge. Exactly. I mean, it's all in, all in the, uh, competition. Um, and you know, just kind of proving people wrong. And that's, you know, that's some, that's what sports about a little bit, you know? Right. No, no question. Something to prove. Exactly. So, so you, um, you, you played Cornell the first game. You guys beat them. Beat them. And that was a great game for you personally. Yeah, it was a great game. Yeah. Okay. Then, uh, then we went on to play Marquette. Okay. Marquette had a good team with Dominic James, um, Wes Matthews. Uh-huh. So they had a pretty good team. We went into overtime with them. And won. Yeah. And we won. Who was the coach at Marquette then? Do you remember? Um. Was it Tom Crane? Tom Crane. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Who's in Indiana now? Yes. Okay. And so, and Buzz was his assistant. Right. Yeah. So. Okay. Good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was, it was, that was, that was an amazing game as well. Well, anytime you have an overtime game. Yeah. It's an amazing game. And in particular in the NCAA tournament. Exactly. Everything's riding on that moment. Every single play, you know, you just, everybody's supposed to be at the height of their performance. Right. And so we're just trying to get there. And then. And everybody wants it just as bad. Nice. So that got you to the Sweet 16. That was the first weekend. Exactly. Okay. So then you go back to Stanford. You go to class for a couple of days. Now you go out in the road again. And you're ready to, if you can play the two more games and win those two, then you go to the final four. Exactly. So now you go and you play who? So now we're playing Texas, University of Texas with A.J. Abrams, with D.J. Augustine. Okay. So they had a, they had a pretty good team. They handled us pretty good. Okay. I think. And you're, and you're, as an irony for our listeners, you're from Texas, right? Yeah. From Dallas. Yeah. So, so it's like you probably knew and played against and kind of probably grew up with in the, in the basketball circuit, if you will, a lot of those players that were on Texas's team. Exactly. Because, you know, you generally just kind of play with the people in your area. And so you get to know these people. Some come from out of state. But the ones definitely in your Texas, Louisiana, you know them very well. Right. You played them six or seven times. If not spent weeks with them at camp. Sure. Sure. So yeah, that, that was, that was a, you know, that was a tough game for us. Yeah. So you, you, you lose the game to Texas and then, then it's over. Yeah. So at that, during that weekend, we were also with Michigan State. Okay. And Memphis with Derrick Rose. Okay. So that we would have ended up playing Memphis. Right. Who just kind of wrecked their way through the whole time. Right. Memphis actually that year went on and played in the championship game. Right. And lost. Correct. To Kansas. To Kansas. Yeah. Right. And that was the Mario Chalmers big shot. Yeah. They called a timeout or Memphis called a three throws. Memphis was the heavy favorite to win that game. Yeah. And, and blew it. They actually had a big lead in that game. Yes. And blew it and, and lost the game to Kansas. Right. At the end. Right. So yeah, I remember that game. That was a great game. I was so happy too. Cause I, I, I thought, you know, Kansas really deserves it. And I really liked the coach of Kansas and their program. I've actually sent a player to Kansas. And so I have some affinity for Kansas. Yeah. And, and I couldn't stand Memphis. I don't like the way they play. I don't like the way Kentucky plays. Right. I don't like the way they do things. Right. Right. And I was so glad to see Kentucky lose Monday night. That was great. Well, I think I, you know, watching you coach and, and seeing some of your players, you're very much a teacher. So, you know, I don't think that they play taught basketball. No, they sure don't. And so I think that's kind of where your probably affinity lies. Yeah. You're probably right. Is that they just hoop. Right. And they just hoop. And they, if they win, it's cause they're better than you. Right. And if they lose, it's because they played bad. Right. Or they didn't make shots or they didn't play as a team. They were selfish. And, you know, I like to play a different style of basketball and I like to play, you know, more of a team game and more of a, you know, more of a, you know, more of a team game. Right. Game that allows everybody to be touching the ball and everybody to be sharing the ball and, and, and, you know, playing team defense. Right. You know, it's the opposite of how Kentucky plays. Right. Right. Right. That's a good, that's a good observation on your point on your part. I mean, okay, listen, our phone number if you have a call and you want to call in and your name is not Barb. Okay. You can call in at 1-800-893-9562. Okay. 1-800-893-9562. You can call in if your name is not Barb. If your name is Barb, you will be hung up on. So if you have a question about Stanford basketball, okay, we've got our guest in studio tonight, Kenny Brown. We're talking Stanford Cardinal basketball for a little while here. The first segment of our show, 1-800-893-9562. If you want to check out our brand new Facebook page that one of our interns, Bob Johnson put together for us, go to Facebook and, and it is timeout with coach Miller and Bob Johnson did a great job putting that together. Let's give Bob a big hand. Let me see here. Jeremy, are my sound effects working? No, they're not working. This happens to me every time. Hey, I always give Jeremy props in the sound booth. We've got Jeremy in the sound booth tonight and he's doing a great job, except I don't have any sound effects. Other than that, he's doing a great job. Now, Jeremy usually fixes this stuff quick. No one knows it as well as he does. Wait, what's happening here, Kenny? I've got my sound effects board. It just disappeared and something's going on here. Anyway, Bob Johnson made a great Facebook page. Hey, there you go. Hey, thank you, Bob Johnson. Let's give Bob a round of applause. Bob Johnson, our new intern, made a great Facebook page. This is a standing ovation for Bob Johnson. Okay. Nice job, Bob. Thank you. And I'm getting nervous. I'm thinking about maybe that crazy barb will call in. Anytime. Who knows? She's been spamming the show with phone calls, Kenny, before I got here. We've got a stalker. You know, you don't know the history of our show. We've had several stalkers on the show this year. And Scott had a stalker. Remember, Jeremy? Do, yeah. Remember when Scott had all those calls of people calling in from all over the country? Yeah. It was the same person, though. Yeah, no, and then they finally just got tired of it, right? They got tired and gave up. That's right. And now we've got a new stalker. We've got the new guy. We've got the new guy. We've got the new guy. We've got the new guy. We've got the new guy. We've got the new guy. We've got this evil Barb who's calling in. How many calls has she made tonight to the station, Jeremy? At least 20 at this point. And when did these 20 calls start? At around 9 o'clock. Wow. And it's about 10, 15. Hey, that qualifies as a stalker. What do you guys think, huh? Hey, what do you guys think? Definitely. Yeah, I think so. Okay, well, anyway, if she calls in, we'll just blow up the studio. Okay. Okay. Listen. Call in if you have a question, a real question about Stanford Basketball, 1-800-893-9562. We've got Kenny Brown here who played at Stanford and was a really good player there. He wasn't a role player. He wasn't a bench player. He wasn't a scrub. Okay. This guy was a real player. Played with the Lopez twins. They went to the Sweet 16. And guess what? Stanford went to the Sweet 16 again this year. And when we come back after our commercial break, we're going to talk a little bit about that, about this year's Stanford team. Because I have a lot of questions for Kenny about how did Stanford get this done this year? When on this very show a month ago or so, I predicted that Stanford would fire their coach this season because this would have been his sixth year without making the NCAA tournament. And instead, he probably got a contract extension. So, hey, but you know what? Good for him. Hey, let's give a round of applause. Right? Right. Right. I agree. I agree. Chris Dawkins gets a contract. Hey, I wasn't hoping he was going to get fired. I mean, it's my job to talk about basketball, Kenny. Exactly. What I was saying is, I said it on the air. Hey, you don't make the NCAA tournament in six years. You're getting fired. It's Stanford. It's not like, you know, we're Cal State Dominguez. Right. Okay. So, you know, you got to make, you got to at least make the tournament. Right. So, in year six, he goes to the Sweet 16. Hey, amazing. Let's take a, let's take a commercial break, Jeremy. When we come back, we'll talk a little more Stanford basketball. Hey, this is Coach Miller. I'm really excited to tell you about a great outfit located in Las Feliz called Holistic Acupuncture. Holistic Acupuncture specializes in the treatment of all sorts of sports injuries. Go in and see my friends at Holistic Acupuncture. Give them a call. Make an appointment. 323-913-0023. Holistic Acupuncture. Give them a call. Tell them I sent you. And they will work something out. 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Tell them Coach Miller sent you. And you'll get a special discount. Look, it's time out with Coach Miller. 14 straight conference championships. We winners. It don't stop from the bottom to the ceiling. Because all I know is winning, we winning. Full focus, we got a topic to discuss. High school, prep school, small colleges, yeah. Another special guest today. Listen up. It might get a little. Hectic from the stuff we discuss. Are we ready to go here, Jeremy? We're back. We're live. We're on the air. And I'll tell you what. I'm glad to be back. And I haven't seen any crazy calls yet. We've got some good listenership. Our phone number is 1-800-893-9562. If you have a question about Stanford basketball or about. Or for our special guest, Kenny Brown, who played at Stanford. You can call in now. Provided you're not Barb, who's been spamming the show with calls. Okay. Crazy Barb. Over 20 calls since nine o'clock. This is just tremendous. Imagine I walk into the studio. And the studio boss tells me, do you know someone named Barb? And I just had to roll my eyes. Barb. 20 calls since nine o'clock. Well, anyway. You know what? You know what? It's a little bit like a car crash. It's never pretty. It's often noisy. And nothing good comes out of it. So, there we go. Okay. 1-800-893-9562 is our number. Give us a call. Kenny, let's talk a little bit about Stanford basketball version 2013-14. They were 23-13 overall. 10-8 in the Pac-10. And by the way, here we still call it the Pac-10. It's the Pac-10 plus two teams from the Mountain Time Zone. Yeah, that's it. I kind of still consider it that way. But, you know, they're growing. And Colorado made a good showing this year. So, you have to kind of respect that. Hey, I respect Colorado. Coach Boyle, great coach. One of the best coaches in the Pac-10. Does a great job. And no doubt, great program. They recruit California. California hard. I see them out there on the recruiting trail. I really like what they're doing. But, they're still the Pac-10 plus two teams from the Mountain Time Zone. So, we've got Stanford. 10-8 in the Pac-10, Kenny. I mean, were you surprised that a team that goes 10-8, which is barely above 500 in the Pac-10, can go all the way to the Sweet 16? I mean, that had to be a little bit of a surprise to you. It is a surprise. But, you know, I think what you do is when you watch a team for their whole season. And you do that, right? Yeah. I watch every game. I pay very close attention. You understand why they're losing the games or when they're losing the games. Is it inconsistency? Is it buckling under pressure? Is it on the road? Is it at home? Who's injured? Who's not, you know, how are things working out? And I think what you saw with Stanford has happened is you just saw them hit a stride. At the right time. Which is the same reason why UConn won the whole thing. If you remember, Stanford beat UConn at UConn. Well, I'm going to talk about that because you and I talked about that around the time that right after, maybe it was the day it happened or the day after it happened. And I want to definitely talk to you about that. You know, that's something on my checklist to do. But again, Kenny, they finished in a, I mean, in a group there was one, two, three, four, five teams that finished tied for third. So one could say, hey, Stanford finished third in the Pac-10. Or you could say they finished eighth. One or the other. I mean, right? Right, right. Okay. Anyway, before we get into that, we have a call. Let's take this call. Caller, you're on the air. Hi, my name is Jasmine. What's your name? Jasmine. Jasmine. Jasmine. Thank you for calling the show. Do you have a question about Stanford basketball? Yeah, I just want to say I'm from the Bay Area. And it's really cool that you have a Stanford player out there. My family and I are like Stanford alum and we like going to the games. And we're also really interested in knowing what the players do, like life after Stanford. And so, Kenny, if you can talk about what you're doing and like your teammates and just how things have been post-basketball. You know, that's a great question. And Kenny, you know, I know what you're doing, but maybe our listening audience doesn't. After Stanford, after you got done playing, you went to dental school, right? Correct. So, I went to dental school. I graduated dental school. And now I'm currently training as an oral surgeon down in Torrance. So, that's currently what I'm working on. So, I'm a licensed dentist here in California and then working on advanced training to be an oral surgeon. Right. But you actually don't go into like a dentist's office and do cavities or like examine teeth or anything, right? No. What we do is we take care of those people who have been in motor vehicle accidents, heavy traumas, just gunshot wounds or fights, or people who are victims of cancer of the face. Right. And so, what we do is we basically establish the structure of the face. So, we work on the bones of the face. Gotcha. Most people are familiar with plasters. Plastic surgeons because they work a lot on the skin and the muscle. But us as oral surgeons work on the bones. So, this is kind of a cross between being a dentist and being a doctor, actually. It's exactly. That's exactly where dentistry and medicine meet. So, dentistry is a lot about teeth. Teeth are part of the bone. So, you know, we are the bone. We're the facial bone specialist. Gotcha. So, are all, forgive my ignorance on this question. And I want to get back to our caller's point. She asked about what your teammates are doing too, like post-basketball. But I want to focus on you because you're here. Now, are all oral surgeons essentially first dentists before they become oral surgeons? Usually, that's the way the training starts. There are a few out there who have gone to medical school first. Okay. And then decided to do some dental training. Oh, okay. Yeah. Now, you're doing it the opposite way. So, you became a dentist. And then do the medical training. And then you go and do medical training and sort of become an expert on surgery on the face. Exactly. Okay. That's really cool. So, is this your, so you finished dental school when? Like a year or two ago? Last year. Okay, nice. So, you've got probably a three-year training program, I would imagine. A total of four years. What we do is we rotate throughout the hospital. We're rotating through specialties such as plastic surgery, ear, nose, and throat. Anesthesiology. Anesthesiology. General medicine. We do all, we do a very broad training so that we can understand patients as a whole. Okay. Even though we only work on the face. You know, if you have a patient who comes in with a heavy trauma, there's other things that could be wrong with the face. Sure. And you need to manage those things. Great. Yeah. So, I mean, you'd have to know about, for example, you mentioned the anesthesiology part. Because, you know, if you're going to do surgery, you'd have to know at least the rudimentary basics of that, right? Right. Like how it works. Right. And, you know, how much of it is going to be done. How much do you give the person? Exactly. And there's a calculation, I'm sure, based on height, age, weight. Exactly. You know, so, yeah, that's really cool. Now, you played with a number of guys. We talked earlier about the Lopez twins. You played with them. We know what they're doing post-Stanford basketball. Right. It's called NBA basketball. Right. Okay. Right. So, we know about them. So, take us into some of what your other teammates have done, you know, briefly, without too much, you know, detail. But just, you know, tell us about some of the other teammates and what they're doing today. Yeah. So, a lot of guys will play a stint overseas, maybe in Europe somewhere. And then the great thing about Stanford is you get a great education. So, there's guys working in corporate America. There's guys working in nonprofit. There's guys working in finance. All those three things are very popular among my teammates. Okay. And they're doing it all over the country. Usually, they kind of start off back at home where they're from, whether it be East Coast, West Coast. Sure. But there's guys with financial planners, financial managers. Sure. Nonprofit managers. You know, there's guys all over sales is another one. So, the guys are doing well for themselves. Good. Now, do you stay in touch with all your teammates? Oh, yeah. You know, it's like a family. And basically, the guys that you, you know, get on the floor with every time. Wake up really early. Yeah. Lift weights. You know, just beat your bodies up and, you know, you have a great time. You're on the road with each other. So, you know, it's a very close bond. Right. And it's really almost like going into battle with those guys for two, three, four years, however many years you're with them. And so, you develop that mentality of it's kind of us against these other teams. And it is. And so, you know, your pride's on the line and their pride is connected to your pride and it's tied in. And so, you know, you develop that bond that kind of people get that you see in like the fire department or the police department or in the Army or the Navy. Right. It's the same kind of bond, right? Yeah. Oh, for sure. I mean, even. And there's that, you know, in practice, there's a competition. Right. So, you know, you kind of even go through fighting each other, but getting closer at the same time. Right. Before you fight the other team. It's a very interesting dynamic. Yeah. Yeah. I would think it is. And so, yeah, that's really cool. And what's interesting, the comment I was going to make is Stanford's truly a national program in terms of recruitment, right? Yes. I mean, it's not like they're going out and they're recruiting Northern California or even Southern California. They may recruit those areas. But they're recruiting all over because of the high academic matched with the high basketball. So just tell us, like, for example, with that in mind, where your teammates came from. Right. So New York, Corona, California, Washington, D.C., Fresno, California, Texas, Dallas and Houston. Wow. Where else do we have players from Seattle? Okay. So all over. There's guys on the team now from Minnesota. You know, there's no limit, basically. It's truly a national program. Now, let's get back into this season and talk about that. By the way, caller, that was a great call if you're still on the line. And we appreciate the call and the question. Again, if you have a call, we'll have Kenny on for a few more minutes here. 1-800-893-9562. I want to talk about this season and the remarkable run that Stanford had at the end of the year. So you had alluded to the game over UConn. I think the game was at Hartford, Connecticut. So that's kind of a neutral floor. But it's still in Connecticut. I get that. Okay. But they go in. And I saw that game. And they beat them. They beat UConn, who just won the national championship Monday night. Thank God they did. Yeah. I don't know if I could be here tonight thinking that Kentucky won another national title. That no-coaching fool, John Calipari. Okay. Anyway. You want to know how I really feel? I'm listening to that. You already know. Okay. So anyway, they go in and they beat UConn. And they beat them in a close game, low-scoring game, 53-51. I remember talking to you about that game at the time. And I remember making a comment to you. My comment was, Hey, Stanford is for real. Right. Okay? Because I think at the time, UConn was maybe undefeated. Right. Weren't they? Yes, they were. Okay. True fact. And that was maybe, what, eight, ten games into the year? Right. So, okay. They go in and beat UConn. But see, then what made me think, well, wait a second. Maybe Stanford isn't for real. Is they come. They come. After the UConn game, they lost close. Game to Michigan, which, again, Michigan, a great team. I knew they were a great team. Again, I'm thinking, okay, Stanford's for real. They beat Cal Poly Pomona. Okay. At home. Then the Pac-10 season opens and they promptly go out. And you remember what happened? What happened? Lost. Lost what? Lost the first two games. Yeah. Oh, and two. Yeah. I mean, lose to Cal, who's their big rival. Okay. At Stanford. Okay. And then lose to, let's face it, a bad Oregon State team. Right. Okay. They lose to a bad Oregon State team. Okay. And I'm thinking to myself, wait a second. Stanford isn't for real. They fooled me. Yeah. You know, I think it's a little bit of inconsistency. Okay. When a team struggles with identity, they know how good they can be, but yet they don't play up to that. Okay. And as you know, you know, you're young when you're in college and, you know, sometimes that identity takes some time to develop and sometimes take a good kick in the pants. To realize, oh man, you know, we can get beat at any, at any moment in time. We can't rest on the fact that we beat UConn or play close to Michigan or had it, we won the NIT last year. You can't rest on those. Right. No, you can't. It doesn't work. So I think, I think it was a little bit inconsistency and I think it was everybody coming into their own is what happened as you saw towards the end of the year. Okay. Well, we're going to talk about that. We're going to take another quick commercial break, Kenny, and then we're going to bring you back for a final. It'll talk about Stanford basketball and coming up after Stanford basketball, we're going to focus on Chandler Gilbert community college. Chandler Gilbert community college has a really nice program that they're developing out in Phoenix, Arizona. And it is a, uh, going to be a pleasure to have, um, uh, coach Neil and, uh, his, uh, staff that he has with him on, uh, after we, uh, focus on Stanford basketball. So let's take a, a quick timeout. Jeremy, we'll come back with a, another short segment. On Stanford and, uh, we'll go from there. Hey, it's coach Miller. You're listening to my show timeout with coach Miller. I want to talk to you today about my favorite car dealership located in beautiful Hollywood, California. It's called gem motors. Gem motors is located at 5639 West sunset Boulevard. If you want a high end automobile, that's at a great price, whether it's a BMW, a Mercedes, a Jaguar, a Porsche, go to my friends at gem motors. 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Save my high school and college career. Wow. We've had five more calls from that nutso nurse. Uh, nurse Barb. Anyway, um, she's, uh, calling in and Jeremy has blocked her and, uh, she'll probably keep calling. So what are we up to? 25 calls now from nine o'clock, Jeremy. But were we up to about 25 calls? Wow. This is tremendous. Our show has a stalker. That's how, you know, I wish Scott was here tonight. That's how, you know, our show has made it because we have a stalker, Kenny. That's how, you know, and by the way, our show is on iTunes. We have a stalker. If your Stanford teammates are not able to listen right now because they are busy sleeping somewhere in New York or Washington DC and they want to hear you on this show, all they have to do is go to iTunes. Right. It's a free download. Time out with coach Miller. I have it. Oh, you do? Yeah. Oh, excellent. Okay. So you know that I'm telling the truth. We also are on YouTube. So we're on YouTube. You go to YouTube, you find the Skid Row Studios channel. And then when you get to our channel, you type in time out with coach Miller and you can watch it on YouTube. So we are a live radio and television show, but we're on the internet. Right. Okay. That's all we are. Simulcast on the internet. And we focus on high school, prep school, junior college, division one, and pro basketball. We're excited to have you in tonight. And we're going to wrap up our Stanford deal tonight. We've, we, we're going to follow you in with Chandler Gilbert community college from Phoenix, Arizona, but let's, uh, let's go back to Stanford for a few more minutes. So Stanford goes into conference, Kenny, and I'm thinking, you know what? They really fooled me. They dropped two. Okay. And they were pretty inconsistent. You have to admit, I mean, they were 10 and eight in the pack 10. They were pretty inconsistent. They never really won more than three games in a row. I don't think they won. I don't think they really ever lost more than three games in a row. I mean, someone could say, well, that's consistent. I don't think that's consistent. I think that's inconsistent. How do you feel about it? You watched them all year. Yeah. I felt like they were inconsistent. I think what happens was if you look at some of the games, they had some great games. They played Arizona tough. They beat UCLA. They, you know, they had these great battles and I think it just dropped. Um, I think it just dropped, dropped the level. And I think that's actually what happened. We saw that recreation of it versus Dayton. Dayton played a great game in the sweet 16 game. They were hitting shots. They were doing well, but our level just dropped. And as you know, uh, to win a championship, you kind of got to run on high, you know, all cylinders at all times. Right. No question. And, um, so let's talk about that. So they, they, they finished the, uh, pack 10 regular season at 10 and eight. As I mentioned, there were either third or eighth, depending on how you want to look at it. Okay. Okay. They go to the pack 10 tournament. They go to the pack 10 tournament, which this year was in Las Vegas, which I thought was really nice by the way. Yeah. Did you go? I did. I went to the last game. I went to the game versus UCLA. Okay. Well, that must not have been a happy moment for you, but I had, I had to go at least to support them. Yeah. Well, that must not have been a happy moment for you. I remember that game. Uh, was that, uh, about a 25 point loss. Yeah. Okay. So anyway, um, they go to the pack 10 tournament and they get in there and they get Washington state first and they beat them who they should be. Washington state. I mean, everybody beat Washington state. Okay. And then they played Arizona state and they drilled them. Right. That was a big game. That was basically the deciding factor if they were going to go to the tournament. Right. I mean, no one can really know, but that was basically what we kind of all saw as the deciding factor. And like I said, the level went up at, at that time. And once that, once they kind of felt that, you know, victory, I think it went down. And to me, that's, what's so interesting about the NCAA. Tournament. I tell people all the time, you know, college basketball is exciting as is high school because it's, it's a one and done type of thing. It's a one and done type of thing. And, um, and you find out, um, um, you know, a team that can be not as good wins, wins, uh, a game against a team that's better, but they can only do it once. Right. Okay. Okay. And so like, for me, I've been really fortunate. I've won three state championships as a coach and, uh, at the high school and the college level, both. And I could tell you, there's probably five or six more that I think we should have won. Okay. Right. But we didn't because they were one game. Right. Now I had some teams that were so good that had it been a best of three or best of five or best of seven, I'm, I'm positive we would have won, you know, the, the, the championship, but we didn't. Okay. And so it was, it was a one game deal. And here's what happens. And what I find interesting with this Stanford team is they're a little bit of a microcosm of the whole thing, because what you just said made sense. Had they not beat Arizona state, they probably wouldn't have made the NCAA tournament. You agree with that? Yes. Because they would have been 10 and eight in conference one-on-one in, in the PAC 10 tournament. And the one win would have been Washington state. Right. Okay. Instead, they beat them. Get drilled by UCLA. But by winning that one game, it gets them in the tournament where they go on this tear. Right. Right. And they get all the way to the sweet 16 and one could, I mean, they got pretty close to, right. I mean, I mean, you could argue that they were not that, not that far away from going to the final four. No, not at all. Because Dayton almost went. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Exactly. I mean, that's. I think that's what the tournament. That's why people love the tournament. Right. At any moment in time, they could have an upset. And at some time, as some, you know, some critics will say, hey, the NCAA tournament is not a true testament of the best team. Right. But, you know, the NCAA tournament is so big. People love the, the ambiguity of it. The, you know, that my team is going to the big dance and filling out their brackets. I mean, it's the second biggest sporting event behind a Super Bowl. Right. It's become huge. Now, did you fill out that billion dollar bracket challenge? I did. My wife and I filled out the billion dollar bracket challenge and got busted on the first day. I got to tell you, and we picked a lot of the games here on the air. I went 16-0 the first day. Really? Yeah. The second day, I went 12-4. And I, and I, I saw my billion dollars going down the toilet. I thought, no, I didn't think because I knew you can't win it. I mean, you can't. Right. You can't get every game perfect. But. I thought after the first day, I thought, you know what? 16-0. You know what? You know, I'm, I'm right there. Okay. Second day, 12-4. Okay. Okay. So, so, and nobody came close to the billion, did they? No, no. Was anybody left after the first weekend? I think there was one guy who was left. And then he tried to bargain with Buffett, like through Twitter or something saying, hey, I'll let you buy me out at 10 million or something. And then I will retire my bracket after that. And, but he lost the very next game. Well, that's the thing is that that's like trying to bargain with the house in Vegas. I mean, at a casino. I mean, I mean, they don't have to bargain. Buffett just looks at me. He knows you can't get them all right. So, I mean, the guy's a smart guy. He was just going to give away a billion dollars for, you know, he knows it can't be done. Right. Okay. So, was there anyone other than a UConn fan who had UConn pick to win the national title? No. No, no one. No one. No one. No one. Unless you went to UConn, you played there. Right. Right. You know, and you're a UConn fan. Right. Okay. And, you know, how about you? Did you have Stanford pick to win the national title? I did not. I had Stanford winning. And then I think I had them losing to Kansas. Yeah. I think most of us did. Yeah. I had them losing to Kansas too. Yeah. Yeah. So, anyway, but the thing that's so cool about this NCAA tournament, like you said, it's not always really the best team who wins. Mm-hmm. But it's the team that's playing the best at that moment in time. And Stanford goes into the tournament, and boy, they played some good ball there, didn't they? Mm-hmm. They beat New Mexico, who was a favorite over them. Yeah. Okay. They beat them. They beat them by five. They go to the next game, and they upset Kansas, who was what, the number two seed? Number two, yeah. Okay. Right. With several draft picks, several NBA players on that roster. Right. Right. Now, they didn't have to... They didn't get to face this... They didn't get to face this center, Joel Embiid, who will be the first pick in the draft, I believe, this year. Yeah. But they... Wiggins played, right? Wiggins played. And he'll be a top five. Yeah. He'll be a top five. They had a good team. I think we just played to our true potential. Yeah. We played that, you know, where the team who beat UConn early in the year was supposed to grow to, that's where we were. And almost beat Michigan. And almost beat Michigan. That's where we were at that moment versus Kansas. Gotcha. And so... So, then you go on and they go home, they rest for a couple days, go to class, go back, and now it's time to play Dayton. And close game. Close game. Dayton hit a lot of shots. Boy, didn't they ever. They hit a lot of shots. And Dayton was... You have to admit, Dayton was a true Cinderella team. I mean, they... I saw their game with Syracuse. Oh, that... Yeah. I mean, great game. I mean, Dayton played some great games in the tournament. And started off beating Ohio State. Yeah. By the way, I had that one. I had Dayton over Ohio State. Yeah. I'm trying to think if I... I might have had Ohio State. I had Syracuse going down the game that they went down, though. But not to Dayton. Not to Dayton. Yeah. Yeah. So, I didn't either. But Dayton beat Syracuse, played great. Right. And they had a great run. They go... Of course, they go on and they beat Stanford. They beat your team. And then they almost go to the Final Four, though, don't they? Yeah. Right? I mean, they... Dayton played some incredible basketball. They shot the ball well. I think that was just their biggest strength. Another big strength that they had was persistence. You know, these guys came from, you know, Dayton where they weren't expected to win anything, you know, when coming into the tournament. Especially, that was like the little brother, big brother game versus Ohio State, right? Right. Exactly. So, now the little brother starts to take over. And so, I think they just... You know, they were hungry. They were hungry. And the tournament rewards hungry teams. Yeah, they sure do. Were you surprised that Dayton beat Stanford, though? Be honest. I was, actually. I thought, after beating Kansas, I thought Stanford was like, okay, we're here. I didn't think that Dayton matched up. I didn't think Stanford... I thought Stanford matched up a lot better versus Dayton. I didn't think their players could match up. And I can tell you, even though they are the same tournament tournament, Good point. But what's interesting about Dayton is, you know, Dayton had a great run in their conference tournament. They lose a close game to St. Joe's by three in the championship game of their conference tournament. Some would have argued, had they not gone that far in the conference tournament, they would not have made the NCAA tournament as well. Same thing. Okay. Same as Stanford. Right. Okay. They come in and I don't know if you really know their scores. They beat Ohio State by one, right? Right. By one. Right. They beat Syracuse by two. Now I saw their game with Syracuse. That was a great game. Okay. And for them, beating Stanford by 10 is like a blowout. Right. Right. I mean, compared to what they're used to playing. Like a 10 point win is like, wow. Yeah. You know, that's like a blowout win. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And, and then they, they played Florida really tough and Florida kind of just got them at the end. Right. You know? Right. And, but anyway, it was a great year for Stanford basketball. Now did coach Dawkins get a contract extension? Do you know? I'm not sure the details of the extension. I know he had a great recruiting class. I couldn't tell you the exact details of the recruiting class. I know that there are, I want to say four, one of which is a McDonald's All-American. Okay. So he is doing very well on that front. We've got a couple big players coming back again next year, Jason Randall and Anthony Boyle. And then we have a couple of guys like Jason Brown, who were big contributors throughout the season. Big, big contributors. Nice. So it'd be nice to continue to build the team. Right. Well, I mean, I guess he's not going anywhere now with this sweet 16 run. I mean, again, I predicted on the air, he was going to get fired because, you know, it was looking bad. I mean, five years already, no NCAA tournament appearances looking like that for the sixth. Yeah. I think if you, I think if you talk about any other school that wouldn't have happened. Right. I mean, honestly, we usually see coaches get about three to four years. Right. In order to get their players in and get going. I think what they saw was Coach Dawkins developing into a head coach, developing his style, his, his sort of approach to the game. Right. And I think this is when it kind of came, when it came together for them. And I hope, and hopefully they'll continue to build on that. Nice. Yeah. Well, I hope so too. I always have a big affinity for Stanford. I, I remember the Mike Montgomery era and I used to go up there and work camps years ago. And, you know, Stanford was a special place and I'm sure it's still special to you and, and your teammates. And obviously you're following the team. You're not missing a game all year. So it means a lot to you. Yeah. Coach Montgomery just retired. I don't know if you heard that. Yeah, I did. I did hear that. And Cal is open. They're looking for a coach and, you know, I'm trying to decide whether or not I should send my resume up there and apply. I don't know. I don't know if Jeremy would want me to leave Skid Row Studios or not. You know, but I'm, I'm kind of, you know, you think they're going to hire, hire me now in my age? Well, well, Barb might, might be a big, if she's a big donor, you might be able to. Maybe I could get that, that Barb to call Cal and try to lobby for the job for me as much as she's been calling our station tonight. It's great to have stalkers. It lets you know that you've arrived. Okay. So anyway, Hey, great job for Stanford Cardinal basketball this year. Kenny, thanks for coming on the show. All right. Thank you. And we'll have you on again down the road. Talk a little more about Stanford recruitment. Maybe you kind of what the list listeners appetite with those comments about, they had a great recruiting class. So we'll, we'll, we'll get you back in later and find out more about that. Sounds good. Thanks for having me. Okay. Jeremy, let's take a quick commercial break. 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And we're going to start with Coach Neal, who I've developed a good friendship with this year. Coach Neal took over the program at Chandler Gilbert Community College Inc. in Phoenix, Arizona. And I think he did a really good job. Kind of took over a program that had been down. And trying to change the culture of a down program is always difficult. And you're doing that. I saw it. I observed it. I was there. And tell us a little bit about your challenges this year that you faced, Coach Neal, in taking over the Chandler Gilbert program and trying to make it your own. Coach Neal, what was it like to be a part of the team? Coach Neal, what was it like to be a part of the team? A lot of it, I owe a lot of credit to my assistants. Like the two we have here, Coach Henry Fuentes and Coach Sheldon Simmons. That was the first thing I had to do, basically, was get good assistance. Because it was one of those things where we had to destroy and rebuild it. Before I took over the team, it went 2-28. So there's not a lot to build off of with that. So we had to bring in all new kids and really instill some discipline with the kids. That's both on the court. And then also in the classroom. And we started it early, like in the summer, to get the kids to buy into what we were trying to preach. And luckily, we had a good group of kids. And we're excited about moving forward with them. Yeah, well, I remember that the year before you took over, they were 2-28. I remember that. And you were there, I think, as an assistant, weren't you? Correct. And then the head coach left, and you were elevated. And so this year was your first year being the head coach, right? Right, right. I took over as the interim basis for about the last month and a half as the assistant. And it was tough, Mike. It was one of the roughest seasons I've ever been through. Obviously, when you have a 28-loss team, there's a lot of turmoil. There's not one particular thing you can put your finger on to lead to that. Right. When it was done, I had to go through the process of applying and putting my name in the hat against, other candidates from across the country. And luckily, my athletic director believed in me and gave me the opportunity. And this was our first time bringing in our kids, our recruits, putting our system in. And we were real happy with what we did. Yeah, and you guys really did a good job, I thought. Because, you know, let's be honest, it's also hard to recruit new players when you're telling them, hey, we were 2-28. Definitely. And not just you telling them, but your rivals. Yeah. You know, you've run into that this year, I bet. You probably ran into what I call negative recruiting. We, and it's funny, and Coach Simmons, you can chime in at any time, but that's what we were speaking about on the car ride over here from Phoenix was negative recruiting. And one of the things I tell my staff about it is you can't be naive. You know, you have to first understand that it exists. And the only way to counteract negative recruiting is a bunch of positive recruiting for those kids. Every kid that we recruit, I always tell them, compare your recruitment. Don't listen to what other schools say about what's going on over here at this school or this coaching staff or these facilities. Compare to how your campus visit was when you came out. Compare your home visit. Compare how our coaching techniques are to the other schools that are recruiting you. And then make the wise decision off of that. Right. Those are great points. And I know that when I was coaching in junior college, which I did for many years, one of the things I learned was the better you become, the more people will drink haterade. Right. I call it haterade. Right. It's not Gatorade, Coach. It's haterade. Right. And the better you do, the more they drink haterade. Right. And the more they're going to negative recruit you. Right. So what happens is at a certain point, we had become, you know, the LA City College where I was coaching had become so big, and we were become so good that we'd go in and we'd recruit. I remember one particular young man, Dion Green from Los Angeles High School, probably the best player. Dion listens to the show off and on. I hope you're listening tonight, Dion. Probably the best player in the history of LA High School. Great player. And I remember the conversation I had with him. And I'm going to share this with Coach Simmons, because I know he does a lot of the recruiting as well on your staff. Right. So one day, we had him up to our campus, and we're just sitting down talking. And one of my assistants asked him, well, who else is recruiting you? Now, I never ask that question, because first of all, I don't want to know. Right. And I think it's a sign of weakness. Right. And I don't care, because we're going to recruit. We're going to explain to the young man what we have to offer and what we can do to help him. Right. Okay. And we're not going to negative recruit. So I don't need to know who else is recruiting you. That's my philosophy. Now, one of my assistants asked him, Coach Simmons, he said, who else is recruiting you? And he listed about six other schools all in the LA area. Okay. And so once he did that and that door was opened, I said, well, I said, so what are the – I'm just curious, what are they talking about? He says, oh. Oh, they all say the same thing. Don't go to LA City College. I said, so you mean LA Southwest, LA Valley, and LA Pierce, and East LA, and West LA, and it was all the schools, about six or so, Santa Monica. So they don't tell you about why you should go to their school? He said, no. All they do is talk about don't go to LA City. Yeah. And so what happened with that, though, is it made him want to come to LA City. Exactly. And all I did, Coach, all I did, Coach Neal, and Coach Neal, for our listeners, he's going to be really successful. He's a really smart guy. He's not just your normal basketball coach. So think about the psychology of this, and this is why I'm sharing this with you, because I know you've studied psychology, and I know you really know psychology of people. Right. Okay. Which is a big part of coaching. Okay. Coaches call it motivating or getting the best out of them. You know what? In the real world, they call that psychology. Yeah. Okay. That's what they call it in the real world. Okay. So think of the psychology. What I said was this. Well, that's interesting, Dion. So all of those schools, none of them have anything positive to say about themselves. They're all saying something negative about us, and because it's all six of them doing the same thing, what does that tell you? Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. And so that's what I think is going to happen with you guys as you kind of build the program and people are going to start to see you more as a threat. And you find that more on the recruiting trail than you do actually in the games that you're playing. Well, one of the things is, and I'm kind of the opposite. I like to know who else is recruiting them. For the simple reason, I know a lot of them are going to be the ones that are going to go of my competitors recruiting tactics. Okay. And it gives me a good idea of what we're about to show them on their campus visit as opposed to getting invited to an open gym at other schools. I see. The other thing is when I became the assistant coach at Chandler Gilbert. Okay. And I started off on the bottom as a volunteer assistant coach. I instilled a lot of things that didn't exist there, like the campus visits, like the home visits, like the going out to the high school games and initiating contact, emails, highlight films, all of those things. Because we had a history of just inviting kids to open gym and just picking kids from there. And the reason why I did that is because I remember when I played junior college basketball, if you treat junior college basketball like it's less than college basketball, then kids will treat it that way. I wanted these kids to feel like they were being recruited by the highest level of a division one university. Mm-hmm . Even though we are a junior college. And it paid off. And one of the early feathers in my cap was over the summer when we landed some kids and they had turned down some of the other junior colleges that were perennially powerhouses in our conference. Right. It means that we were doing something right. Exactly. Well, I agree that you're doing something right. And I also think that recruiting is more of an art, not a science. Exactly. There's not one way to do it. And people see art in a different way. I mean, there's a picture behind you over here, Coach Simmons, and some people think that's beautiful. Some people think that's ugly. And that's what art is about, right? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. So recruiting is like that. It's something that's very individualized. Definitely. I like your idea, and I believe it fervently, that you should make the recruiting process real, and you want to show them that it's like a recruiting process for a four-year school. It is. And I remember speaking to my freshmen. I had a lot of true freshmen this year, obviously, because we were starting a program from scratch. And we had a practice, and I spoke to them and I said, you guys watch college basketball. You watch these freshmen at Kentucky and all of the hype and hoopla about these other kids. They're the same age as you. Right. This is the same thing, college basketball. This isn't extended high school or charter school. This is college. This is counting towards your year. So you need to take a professional approach to this because it counts. Right. And it's a big difference. Yeah. Yeah. And when they look at it that way, then you'll see, and you know how it is with junior college basketball, getting them to focus on it and concentrate on that is when a kind of a switch clicked with our kids, with our young kids. And what I told you this year when we dialogued in the locker room after the game, there you go, Coach remembers, I said, it's like herding cats. Exactly. It's like herding cats. You know, it's hard to get one cat to go where you want them to go. Okay. Henry, do you own any cats? No, I don't. Have you ever had a cat? No, sir. Okay. Coach Simmons? I don't like them. You don't like them? Not at all. Okay. Well, you know, but you know how they are. You probably know someone who has one. Right. Hey, try to tell the cat to come here. A dog will come here. You tell your dog to come here, your dog will come here. A cat, a cat has a mind of its own. Exactly. Now try to get about 15 of them, cats, to go do the same thing at the same time that you want done. Herding cats. Hey, there you go. It's Juco Ball in a nutshell. Yeah. So, you know, a lot of it is managing the moment and managing it. You know, you have to look at the big picture of it and also the small picture of it at the same time. And, you know, I really liked, though, what you were doing with your team, because you were taking it. What I liked was what I observed about Chandler Gilbert and Coach Neal was he was trying to offer a true program. He was offering more than just a game. He was trying to teach the student athletes what a real expectation would be like at a four-year school. And I noticed that. And that's why I support you. And that's why I support what you're doing with your program. And I think it's great. Now, tell us a little bit about your school. And specifically, I think I remember that you're building a new, you know, a new facility or you're, are you working on a new facility? Yeah, we have our Coyote Center. Okay. It's a brand new gymnasium. Okay. They're saying it'll be done this summer. Knock on wood. I just want it done by the season. Okay. Nice. But obviously, it's a big recruiting carrot we dangle. Sure. Normally, it's the last thing we show the recruits on the visit and their eyes just light up. Okay. You've been to our gym. Our gym is relatively small. I've heard other teams call it a rec center or OJ. Yeah. Our old gym. Yeah. It can get loud, you know, when it gets rowdy and packed in there. But we all are excited about the new gym. Yeah. Well, I didn't dislike the old gym, to be honest with you. I liked it. It had some character. Definitely. You know, it was small, but so what? I mean, most of the crowds aren't that big anyway. Exactly. Okay. And when I was at LA City College, our gym wasn't much better than that, or more, much bigger than that. And so, there was nothing wrong with that gym. But you're getting a new gym. Yeah. We'll take the new one. And the new one is supposed to be really good. Tell us a little bit about the new gym. Oh, observation deck, home and away visitor and men's and women's locker rooms. Nice. Study halls will be in the new gym. Film room will be in the new gym. So, the visiting team doesn't have to go into the women's locker room anymore at Chandler Gilbert. No. They're going to have their own locker room, the visiting team. Exactly. Nice. Exactly. Nice. Electronic bleachers that automatically retract. Should be state of the art. State of the art. How many people will it hold? 800. 800? Nice. Nice. Coach Simmons, just pull that microphone up a little closer. Just pull it closer to you. There you go. And Henry, same thing. Pull your microphone a little bit. There you go. About three inches away from your face. Pull it a little bit closer. There you go. Okay. So, about 800, coach? Yeah, about 800. Okay. And that's great. That's a perfect size because, you know, if you filled it, it'll be awesome. And if it's half filled, it'll look good. But you don't want to have a gym in junior college, in my opinion. I've been a big proponent of this over the years, is you don't want a gym that seats 3,000 because you'll never fill it and it'll always look bad. But 800 is a really nice number because, again, if you get 400, it looks good. If you get 800, it looks great. But, you know, it's not so big that you can't fill it. So, and now where will the gym be? Is it in the same location? Yeah. Is it in the same location? No, it'll be on our main campus. I don't know if you remember when we spoke, when you guys came out, we have two campuses. That's right. Pecos Campus and then our Williams Campus we share with Arizona State University Polytechnic. That's right. But now we'll all be housed on the main Pecos Campus. So, our student body should be a lot more involved now. And that's where the students go to school. You're on your team, right? Right. The majority of them, I think we might have had one player, had a Williams Campus class. But other than that, all of their classes are on the main campus. Okay, nice. Now, where is that in location? To the other campus that you share with Arizona State? Probably about 10 miles away. Okay. 10 minute drive on the freeway. But, you know, hopefully again, fingers crossed going into next season, we'll still use that old gym because obviously at the beginning of the basketball season when volleyball is finishing up and you still have women's basketball, I mean, still got three teams in one gym. So, we'd still use it for some practices and also they have a weight facility still over there. Sure. But ideally, everyone. And we'll be in the new gym. Nice. That'll be great. Hey, our phone number is 1-800-893-9562. That number again is 1-800-893-9562. If you have a question for Coach Neal or his staff about Chandler Gilbert Community College men's basketball, I encourage you to call in 1-800-893-9562. If your name is Barb, you're not allowed to call the show. You've called 25 times already since nine o'clock. This is one of our stalkers. We have several on the show. I tell you what, Coach Simmons, that's how I knew. Remember I told you about the haters? The better you get in basketball, you'll have more people drinking haterade. As our show gets better and better listenership, more and more ratings, we have stalkers. We have stalkers. It's great. And so, I welcome that. I welcome the stalkers. You just can't call in. So, we're going to take a short commercial break. When we come back, we're going to talk some more Chandler Gilbert basketball. Hey, it's Coach Miller. You're listening to my show, Time Out with Coach Miller. 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You go on YouTube. you go to the skid row studio station and you type in timeout with coach miller and you can see it all there so uh we get a lot of downloads after the fact and we get a lot of listeners on the show live and we are live at skid row studios and our phone number is 1-800-893-9562 if you have a question for coach neil or his staff from chandler gilbert community college in phoenix arizona you can give us a call 1-800-893-9562 on the commercial break i went out into the green room and we have some other guests that'll be coming on a little later on tonight and i'm out there greeting the guests and and they're listening to the show and he jumps up and he says you know what i can get them a book and i'll give you a book and i'll give you a book a bunch of players because he runs a big scouting service and he and he also runs a big au program here in la uh coach craig stover will be on next and uh he runs he's the director of bti and a well-known au program and he also runs a big recruiting um service like a video he's going to talk a little bit about that on the show and he's in here he when i went out there coach neil he was like oh man i can get them a lot of players i can get them a lot of players and i said well i guess there's going to be a little bonus for the chandler gilbert we'll take them community college men's basketball team they're going to get some extra help in recruiting and i always say about recruiting i have a little saying about recruiting and i say this i say recruiting is like shaving you have to do it a little bit every day okay now coach simmons you have a little bit of a neat trimmed you know well manicured uh beard and uh mustache and goatee do you have to kind of keep that in line every day do you kind of line that up every day something like that okay you see that's my point now if i said here's a razor and go to town you gotta shave it all off you're gonna cut your face it's gonna be hard it's gonna take hours and hours right but that's the whole point recruiting is like shaving you have to do it a little bit every day and i think i got that saying from rick mageris who was a who was a friend of mine and may he rest in peace uh rick was one of the two best basketball coaches i've ever been around and was an amazing coach great basketball mind i used to really enjoy watching his practices and talking basketball with the big man and i got that saying from him and i never forgot it like shaving you have to do it a little bit every day and speaking of something that we do every day we take calls on our show every day jeremy i think you've got a call put him through caller go ahead hey coach shell hey go ahead i was wondering why the chandler gilbert coaches don't like cats why why do the chandler gilbert coaches don't like cats that's a that's a good question coach fuentes and coach simmons don't own cats coach simmons doesn't like cats now not at all i didn't ask coach neil coach neil do you like cats i do not and and the reason why is our conference is a dog fight so i don't want to bring a cat to a dog fight there you go i i like that answer coach i told you i told our listeners coach neil's a smart guy now don't underestimate him do you have a question about basketball or is it just about cats it was just about the cats okay i got you well thank you for calling in and we appreciate the call it's always good to have a little bit of humor here and um the chandler gilbert coaching staff if you're watching or listening if you're watching you can see they're all laughing so you brought a little humor to the show and coach simmons is sticking by his story that he doesn't like cats at all okay i mean he's adamant thank you for calling in if you have a another call uh 1-800-893-9562 um let's talk coach neil a little bit about your vision for the chandler gilbert program now you've taken over you've been through this one year was a it was a better than 2 and 28 but still a rough year what it wasn't peaches and cream okay and uh you've got this new facility coming on board uh where do you want to see this program go and and where do you have your vision for this program um we'd like to perennially be a a playoff team okay um that's been our goal for the past year from day one um again coming from two wins we won 10 games this year uh eight game increase we're proud of that um the previous year was one conference win we went up to five conference wins again we're proud of that because we had uh 10 true freshmen you know on the team um now returning we have coach fuentes maybe you can help me out six six return we have about six players coming back this year um let's talk about them coach fuentes do you want to do you want to give us those six yeah absolutely uh i think one comes off the head um right off the top is uh mr um sanchez uh joshua sanchez from uh new mexico and he's uh um close to six seven six six i would say and um stretch a stretch three stretch four um plays the perimeter very very well can guard the ball um he has uh an awesome attitude when it comes to feedback so he's very very coachable we are very very high on him he is coming back and um we love to see him progress um that's just one another gentleman that uh i think we were talking about on the way up here uh mr aaron muller um aaron muller is uh is kind of diamond in a rough um was an online student in high school wow um was bounced around in many different schools in in in the valley and um as our coach uh he's been a great coach for us and our staff we kind of catered him and and and brought him into the program and from there he uh he excelled he just had a fantastic year you know i want to say i want to make a comment um about coach neil what i know about him and his philosophy i really like is he really likes to give people like that a chance okay like like like aaron muller who you're talking about coach neil is the kind of coach and i was like this when i was in junior college who he doesn't judge a person a player on you know their past okay he he gives them a fresh opportunity to come in and and gives them he judges them on what they're what they're present what they're doing instead of what they didn't do or or did do in the past do you agree with that absolutely absolutely and it shows it shows that that these young kids young men um come into a program in early june um they receive feedback from the players and they're like oh my gosh i'm gonna be a pro and i'm gonna be a pro They receive discipline. From there, they are also going to make many mistakes throughout the season. And that's where Coach Neo does a fantastic job of molding that and making sure that that's just life. Right. And incorporating our life tactics with what we've learned over time and our past experiences. We've developed a pretty good program so far. Yeah, I agree. And again, I'm really impressed. I really like the fact that, Coach Neo, that you give an opportunity to people that maybe others would not give the same opportunity to. And you don't treat them in a different way. I've seen you do it. I've seen you take kids in, young men in, into the program that I don't believe other coaches would give an opportunity to sometimes. Yeah, it's junior college basketball. You know, if these kids were model citizens or phenomenal academically, or just superb ballplayers, I wouldn't even be recruiting them. I wouldn't even be in that conversation. They'd be talking to Texas Tech or Baylor. You know, so when you come to the junior college level, there's obviously something you need to work on. A lot of the reason why a lot of these kids gravitate to me is because for about 15 years, I worked with at-risk youth through juvenile probation, detention, group homes, the child protective services systems. I mean, I've worked with these youth. And I can tell you from the inadequate inadequate inadequate inadequate inadequate inadequate inadequate inadequate inadequate inadequate And a lot of times you have to identify it's not necessarily the behaviors that you're seeing from these young men, but it's just a trained pattern that they've done since they were six, seven years old. And what they're doing is trying to get you to react like many of the adults in the past. When he was speaking about Aaron Mueller, and this kid is phenomenal, Mike. He's one of those that he's been bounced around to different high schools. And at one point during the season, he had a game where afterwards I told him I could see why a high school coach would kick you off of a team. Okay. You know, I could see by the things that you're doing why. Right. But in that same conversation, I told him I'm not getting rid of you. I'm not giving up on you because you've made so many steps towards your goals that I know if I give up on you right now, you'll take 10 steps backwards. Right. And this has nothing to do with basketball. This has to do with just a young man. And, you know, having someone believe in him. Right. And give him an opportunity to better his life. And they respond to it. They really appreciate having someone where they can genuinely care. And I think that's why we have success is because they know that our coaching staff genuinely cares about their welfare and wants them to be successful. Yeah, I agree. And I see that when I've been there. I've seen it. You know, what's interesting is, you know, there is success when you go from two wins to 10 wins. That's perfect. And that's not just an eight-game improvement. That's a 500% improvement. And that's ongoing. I mean, Coach Neal implemented that in early June and throughout the season. And even now to this day, we're driving up here the six-hour drive from Arizona. And we're talking about what we would need to do for specific players. So it's an ongoing relationship like you would, you know, with your own child. Yeah, absolutely. Coach Fuentes, tell us about the other returners. Quickly, we have Josh Sanchez, Aaron Mueller. Who else is coming back? Frankie Teran is another one. He's an outstanding athlete. Just, I mean, consistently we call him Numbers. Letters and scoring. Absolutely. We also have... That's a great nickname, Numbers. Frankie Numbers. Yes. Frankie Numbers. Frankie Numbers. Sounds like a mob guy in like a movie, an old like Italian movie or something, right? I mean, Frankie Numbers. That's how he is, Mike. He's a kid that will... The game will go and we look at the box score and he had 22 points. And you cannot remember any bucket he scored. You would not even know. You wouldn't even know. And all of a sudden you look at that scoreboard and you look down that sheet and all of a sudden he's, you know, 22 and 12. Wow. Yes. Does he get assists and blocks and steals too? Absolutely. He's complete. He has some D1 interest on him, you know, right now. He's another one that came from Tucson, Arizona and had some coaches give up on him. Okay. He's another one of our second chance players who's come in and he's been phenomenal academically. And that's one of the things I don't want to get lost in this is that our team GPA went from a 1.7 to a 3.0 from the spring to the fall. So these kids have not... I don't want, you know, your listeners to think they just come in and, well, they're 6'6 and they can jump out of the gym. So that's why coach is saying these things. No, we're on them on the classroom too. And I'm even more proud of their academic achievements than their athletic. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I know that's true based on your own background. Now, Frankie Numbers Turan, that's his name? Correct. Okay. And who else is returning? Another good one is Eric Goodwin. Eric Goodwin comes from a small southern, I would say, small, small city in Arizona. Phenomenal shooter. 6'6". Another, you would almost disguise him as Dirk Nowitzki, I would say. Wow. So he's a phenomenal athlete and we see a lot of good things coming from him. Nice. Nice. So we have... With those solid group there, it's going to be really, really fun this summer. But it's going to be super fun when we get them back on that court. Yeah, I can see that. And, you know, again, like I mentioned, it's a big success when you can improve 500%. And that's what happened this year. The five conference wins as opposed to one, that's 500%. The 10 wins as opposed to two, that's 500%. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. improvement, you guys are going to win the whole thing. So, you know, so we, we, you know, that's, that's what, that's obviously what you guys have as a goal. And, and so it's exciting to kind of, for me to observe and kind of be a part of reporting on it and being able to identify it and identify you guys like I've done as people that are going to make it and going to change this culture and change this program. And so I'm kind of proud of that, that I kind of discovered you guys before the rest of the media has, and we're putting it out there on timeout with coach Miller that I'm thinking next year, I don't know if you can improve 500% again, because that would be 10 wins. That'd be 50 wins, right? So I don't think you can get to 50 wins next year, but I'm going to put my name out there and say that I think I will see a 20 win season next year out of Chandler Gilbert community college. I think that you'll double the 10 to the 20. And, and how do you feel about that? Let me, let me ask you coach Simmons. How do you feel about that? Do you feel like I'm, I'm, I'm wrong? No. Cause with our recruiting class that we have coming in, there's some pretty good guys. Okay. And we don't just stay in the Phoenix area. We come here and we got a couple of guys from Los Angeles, Vegas, Texas. And we, as you say, we're recruiting, we get them because we can offer scholarships. Okay. We are all our goals and stuff like that. And we talk to them about their goals and what they're doing and don't do any dirty recruiting, as you say. Right. And we tell them straight like it is. It's going to cost you some money in the first, like we have a kid coming from Texas. It's going to cost him roughly now, because he wants to stay in the dorms now. So about 12,000, just to go to junior college. Okay. But I tell them over five years, you divide that over five years. If you get a scholarship for a ride, you divide that over five years, what is it about? Two or $3,000 a year. Yeah, it's not much. Yeah. So that's what you actually spent for your college career. Okay. Well, And we tell them the truth. What I want to do is I want to take a quick commercial break. When I come back, I want to, I want to have you and coach Neil address any potential recruits out there that might be listening. I want, I want to, I want to hear you and coach Neil, give them the, the, the recruiting side of it. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I'm not going to give you a big spiel that you're, that you're starting to get into, but I want to do that when we get back from commercial break. So we're going to take one more commercial break. 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He was the conference champs, home of the LACC. Youngest coach to beat 500 teams, 43. Everybody can't do it like he. A coach is something he was destined to be. Now we got a radio show to discuss some things. Talking informative conversations. Listen to the real. Tuesday and Friday at night from 10 to 12. A live show. Tune in and listen well. Special guests that take out of this cause as well. Wow. We're back. We're live. We are on the air. Do we have a call, Jeremy? I saw you looking at the board. Okay. So we're excited. We've got Chandler Gilbert in here. I've got Coach Neal, Coach Fuentes, Coach Simmons. And this is a program on the rise. This is a program that I've identified as a program going in the right direction. And I predict a 20-win season next year. I've already done that. I'm going to do it again coming back from break. All right. Don't make me look bad. No, I was just thinking we get those 20 wins. I'm going to have to come back out here. Yeah. Don't make me look bad now. I mean, you know, I go out here on the limb and, you know, I say, okay, we're looking for a 20-win season. I believe that you will put it together. I know how good your freshmen are. I know they're coming back and you're on some good recruits. And so if a recruit is listening and we get a lot of student athletes listen to our show. Right. What would you say to him, Coach Neal? Why would... Why would a student athlete, basketball student athlete want to come to Chandler Gilbert Community College to play ball for you? A couple of reasons. The goal of junior college basketball, especially speaking from Chandler Gilbert's point of view, is we want to win as many games as we can and we want to move all of our players on. And the second part is one that a lot of times young men come out of high school, they lose track of. They want to go to other schools or universities because it's a name. But they realize after two years, they're not moving on and they wasted those two years. Right. Although we talk about our 10-win season, we had a situation where a player from another school who had more wins was contacting our coaching staff to try to help him move on to another school. And, you know, I remember telling my coaches, who would you rather be right now, a sophomore on our 10-win team who's signing with another school or would you rather be that kid on that 14-win team who has nowhere to go? Right. The other thing is, and this is one of the things that I tell players definitely, is you'll get better if you come play for us. When you come in on July 1st, when you leave, hopefully after two years, you won't be the same player you are. Right. We identify what your weakness is, and we attack that. That's why we do our summer program, so that you become a complete basketball player. Okay. It's a small school. Class sizes are one to about 23. You get a lot of individual attention. The faculty is very supportive. The teachers, our athletic director, Mr. Ed Yeager, as well as our athletic staff are all supportive. Academic-wise, we have study halls. We have tutoring. We make sure everything that the athlete can be successful. It's almost one of those things where if you come to Chandler Gilbert and you fail, you almost have to try to fail. You have to put in the effort to fail. Right. That makes sense. That makes sense. I know that it's got a really good academic reputation in the Phoenix area. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. Definitely. And I have some friends that live in Phoenix and I interacted with them, went out to dinner after a game when I was there and they said, Oh yeah, Chandler Gilbert's a well-known, good school academically. And so it has a better reputation, I think, than most others academically. Is that right? That's pretty accurate. I thought so. So I think it's exciting what you're doing. Coach Simmons, is he the main recruiter then? No. neil or is it is it just a group effort is it more of a group effort it's a group effort we have uh coach johnstead who couldn't be here he's originally from new mexico he coached in new mexico and um because new mexico is what we call a wooey state or western united states state um players from those states come in with a dramatically cheaper tuition so he concentrates a lot on our las vegas and new mexico kids okay coach simmons coached high school basketball in phoenix for a number of years so a lot of our phoenix players and obviously him being from california um he focuses on a lot of our california players sure um and then coach fuentes all of the schools in our backyard he focuses on um that being the chandler gilbert east mesa area okay then our last coach is coach rosero and a lot of the pacific northwest um oregon montana uh washington he focuses on those and and i trust a lot of of their decisions sometimes we disagree on a recruit but they kind of know what we're looking for so i'll put a lot of trust in them that happens sometimes especially when you have a big staff and and you have a big staff we do and so you know that that happens that's okay it's okay to have you know disagreements on that and uh you know after the disagreement is over we move on right i mean right you know and the bottom line is i think community college basketball is about giving an opportunity to someone who wouldn't get it somewhere else i used to tell my staff all the time when they would complain and find fault with a recruit or with a player and somewhat of what coach neil said earlier on the air but you know i put it like this if they were good people good players and good students they'd be at stanford notre dame or duke they wouldn't be at fill in the blank whatever community college or junior college you're talking about so you know they're there for a reason because they have one two or three problems in those three areas and they're not the areas i just mentioned exactly so i really respect what you're doing uh particularly coach neil what um what you're doing with giving people an opportunity to succeed and allowing your program to be a vehicle for success for uh people that that need it and that's what junior college is all about in my opinion i agree so um i want to thank you guys for coming in and and being on the show today thank you so much for being here and i'll see you next time bye bye tonight thank you um i'm looking forward to seeing your program develop and next year to seeing uh a lot more success even than this year and i and i do believe a 20 win season is very realistic for you we'll be right back here yep absolutely and and and um what we'll do is um we can now that our our audience uh knows a little bit about you and your program it's easy when you're not in la but next year when the season starts to have you on the show you call in for a short segment we take uh call in guests on occasion as well and uh we'll be able to track you that way uh let me think i'm going to put coach fuentes on the spot on this one before i let you guys go coach fuentes do you think that next year now we're on the air live friday nights do you think that and you're one hour later than us correct i think we're about the same time same time right now yeah okay but in the basketball season you guys don't go on daylight savings time and we we do so during the basketball season you're one hour later okay but that'll work out fine because we go on the air at 10 p.m pacific standard time okay i want to put you on the spot to have you call in if you have a game on a friday night after your game with the results hey let's do it okay let's do it next season so so if you have a i'm expecting and our listening audience will expect a call from coach fuentes we'll put him on it you'll call the show you got that 800 number you can take a picture of it and i already did i'm ready oh you're ready okay hey he's prepared okay and you call in and give us the results because our listening audience will want to know how you guys are doing now let's do it i'm excited okay awesome well again thank you for coming on the show coach simmons coach fuentes and of course coach neil appreciate it okay hopefully uh you guys will have a great trip in la and you guys will get some things done and i'll look forward to seeing you guys uh down the road sounds good thanks okay thank you jeremy let's take a quick commercial break when we come back we're gonna have coach stover and bti in the house hey this is coach miller i'm really excited to tell you about a great outfit located in las filas called holistic acupuncture holistic acupuncture specializes in the treatment of all sorts of sports injuries go in and see my friends at holistic acupuncture give them a call make an appointment 323-913-0023 holistic acupuncture give them a call tell them i sent you and they will work something out they'll get you in and give you a sample 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State champs, high school and JC. He was the first coach to do it in California history. Coach Miller, he can beat any team. Got shooters on the court and dunkers dunk everything. He's got to win, so the plan is defeat. Been coaching on the court before he turned 18. From 08, going down to 93. He was the conference champs, home of the LACC. Youngest coach to beat 500 teams, 43. Everybody came doing like he. A coach is something he was destined to be. Now we got a radio show to discuss some things. Talking informative conversations, listen to the real. Tuesday and Friday at night from 10 to 12. A live show, tune in and listen well. Special guests that take audience calls as well. We'll be right back. 2-3, holistic acupuncture. Give them a call, tell them I sent you, and they will work something out. They'll get you in and give you a sample treatment and show you how wonderful a job they can really do in treating sports injuries. Thanks for listening. Welcome to the 500 Club. We the best, my whole team tough. Close to 100 division ones I built up. Dedication and hard work. Step up to the court. I'm like who ready to lose first. 14 times champs every year. Earned feet to the court. Let me get in my zone. Hands gripped to the ball. Let me get in control. Non-stop, can't quit. That's a winner's quote. I'ma just keep doing me. Hear the crowd as they cheer. 18 out of 19, coach of the year. Time out with Coach Miller. Listen clear. Two times a week, listen to me on the ear. Over 30 wins. It was for four straight years. First to win. Saved my high school and college career. Over 30 wins. It was for four straight years. First to win. Saved my high school and college career. On May 4th. We're back. We're live. We are on the air at Skid Row Studios. And Jeremy, Jeremy, you are running the sound booth. You're doing a great job tonight. You're putting up with a lot of abuse from our stalkers. Coach Stover. You are in the house. And we're talking about Student Athlete Lab, which is a great, great thing that you've put together. Tell us a little bit about it. Student Athlete Lab is about, really about the students. And student coming first. So we really want to concentrate on that. And tribal boss, tribal bubble. We want to talk about our recruiting service and helping more kids get into college. And student being first, so we can make sure that we make that happen. I'm going to give you a little applause on that. The student being first. I think that's great. And you know what? Coach, student athlete. I love using that phrase. Student comes before athlete. Student athlete. So you're on the right track. Student Athlete Lab. Okay. What does Student Athlete Lab do to help the student? A couple of things. We track their transcripts. We make sure that they have clearinghouse. But we start at early ages. 10, 11, 12. I think kids play too many games these days and not really work on skill and development. And also making sure that our kids are prepared to take tests. We do SAT prep, ACT prep. And our kids are young enough that we actually do ISEE prep to help them get into the best private schools. Nice. So we can make sure. And what we want to do is profile every kid. So we have a kid when he's 10, 11, 12, 13, all the way to high school. And I think that's a good thing. We can actually show a coach a profile of a kid since he was 10 years old. Right. And his development and everything that goes along with it. That's a great idea. Cutting edge stuff you're talking about. And I'm excited about it. Where does a listener go to find information about the Student Athlete Lab? You can go to studentathletelab.org. We have studentathletelab.com.org. And we have a website that is so functional. You will love it. And we're also NCAA approved. Nice. Nice. Now, Coach, you're doing the promotions, the Facebook, the... What aspect of the Student Athlete Lab are you working with? Well, with Student Athlete Lab, I'm working primarily on the social media side. So with Twitter and with Facebook, I'm just making sure that we can... continue to make people aware of what good work we're trying to put out there for the student athletes to give them the opportunity to, you know, find a school that fits them. Because a lot of times what happens is a student will find a school, but it may not necessarily be the proper fit. And then it becomes less about being a student and more about being an athlete. Yeah, that makes sense. Now, were you the one who designed... designed the website, the Student Athlete Lab website? No, we actually have a website guy... Okay. ...that takes care of that. Okay. Now, it is a beautiful website. And Coach Stover, you mentioned that earlier. I think you called it very functional, and it's beyond very functional. It's an amazing website. I've seen it. And I'm proud to send people to it, studentathletelab.org. Now, Coach, where... would one of these students come to work out with you? Or, you know, you mentioned something I'm a big believer in. There's too many games, and there's not enough individual workouts and individual development. And you've been to my workouts many times, and you know, you know, I teach the game of basketball. I'm not a coach. I'm a teacher of basketball. And I know that you like and believe in the same thing. So, in fact, you like that thumbs in your ears, don't you? I love it. Love it. Love it. The day I saw it, I stole that one, and it was in our practice. Jason came up with one that was even better. Jason, tell them a little bit about our point process that we use now. With the point process, typically what you have is you have a player that makes a great play. And a lot of times, whether it be an alley-oop, you know, a la Lob City and things of that nature, you have everybody that oohs and aahs for the guy that dunks the ball. But with Student Athlete Lab, I kind of heard a coach talking about it, and he said, the most important person in the whole play was the guy who passed it. Absolutely. And so, when the guy makes a great play, it's our rule at Student Athlete Lab that you point back at the guy that gave you the pass. So that everyone looks and says, who's this guy pointing at? And he sees who he's pointing at, and there's recognition for the guy who made the pass. Right. One of the rules that I have as a coach, it's funny, Jason, that you mention that, is that you always have to say thank you. And I say you can do it by pointing, by nodding, by waving. There's different ways to say it. You can yell it out, thank you, okay? That's not as cool, though. That's not as cool. So, you know, the pointing or the thumbs up or the wave. But you have to say thank you every time that someone gets you. You have to say thank you. You have to. That's one of our rules in our program and that I've had for many, many years. So, Student Athlete Lab is a great organization. It's much more than just basketball, isn't it, Coach? Yes, it is. It's a whole service. If you notice, we're NCAA approved. We actually went to the NCAA and got approved. So you can push a button on our site and you'll see kids rotate. Their pictures rotate. You can pick a kid and punch on it. You can see it, but only the college coaches actually have a code in order to see their SAT scores, their ACT scores. And we have coming out with the best thing that you're ever going to see in recruiting. It's called the Student Athlete Lab app. App. Yeah. We're going to have an app on our Student Athlete Lab recruiting service. And on that app, we're going to have a player locator. Okay. So, if a kid's playing in Las Vegas, if he's playing in the pump tournament, he's playing Dino's tournament, you can click on there, put his name in, and it'll tell you where he's going to play. Is that right? Is that right? That's really cool. So, so what you're saying is that if you're a recruiter and you have the app, you could go on, let's just say, Elijah Reed, who's one of your, what, former players, right? Right. And you could click on him, and if he was still playing, you know, in AAU or the summer circuit or high school or what have you. Exactly. It would tell that recruiter where he's at, the next game or where he's going to be tomorrow. Yes. Is that what you're saying? Yes. That's a tremendous thing. That's a tremendous thing. We've got a few more minutes of airtime here on our show. And I want to, I want to kind of make sure we cover as much as we can. Now, we know we're going to have you on next week as well. Yes. And because of that, you went third tonight. We had a full house. You know, we had a lot of guests. We started off with the whole segment on Stanford basketball. Right. I don't know if you heard that on your, if you were listening as you were coming in, but, to our show, but then we, then we had Chandler Gilbert, community college, and you crossed paths with them on their way out, your way in. And next week, we're going to have you on as well. But let's just talk as what, let's just let the whistle a little bit about the academic all-star game that's going to be. Now, Student Athlete Lab is putting this on? Well, Student Athlete Lab is not putting this on, but we actually are part of a group that's putting on the all-academic game. Okay. And Jason's been working on this thing tirelessly by getting all the players and doing all the leg work. And he's working on his master's in basketball right now. Okay. you know, all these different things are falling into place. So I'm going to let Jason talk about it because he knows more about it than me. Okay. Jason, first of all, tell our listeners when the game is. Well, the game is Sunday, May 4th. Sunday, May 4th. Where is the game? The game will be at Cathedral High School, downtown area. Okay. Cathedral High School is located at 1253 Bishops Road in downtown Los Angeles. So if you want to go and see the all-academic game, you can go to Cathedral High School on May 4th, what time is that game, coach? That game will be starting at about 2.30. So 2.30 in the afternoon. Just one game? Just one game. Okay. And tell us the premise of the game before we close out tonight. The all-academic game. What is involved? Who is selected? Is it someone with 4.0 or 3.0? What is the criteria? Well, the premise behind the game was we looked at the aspect of the student-athlete and we said a lot of guys put a lot of emphasis on just being, the athlete and student-athlete. And we said a lot of times the guy that's the 3.0 guy on the team that may not have as many accolades as the guy who is just the athlete gets pushed to the wayside. So this is kind of a kudos to the guy who takes care of business in the class. This is an opportunity for that guy to also have a shot at a quality-driven all-star game. Not just a game to, you know, pass the time. A real all-star game. A real all-star. So do you have your roster already, Jason, set up for this event? I mean, Coach says you've been working on this tirelessly. Do you have both teams set up already? Yes, we do. Okay. Can you give us some names? We actually have... Are you at liberty to announce some names? We have just recently finalized the names. So I'm at liberty to put out just some that I have off top of my head at the moment. Okay. Now, next week, we can give a more complete roster of the game as we get closer to the game. But right now, it's just we have a couple minutes left. Let's just whet the appetite. We don't have much time. Give us three or four names that are in the all-academic game. Okay. We have a local guy from Verbum Day High School by the name of Deion Henderson. Okay. He's a guard. Then we have actually a couple guys from Arizona. We have Elston Jones, who's actually committed to go to Utah State. We have another guy from Arizona, Cody Justice, who's committed to go to Arizona State. Nice. And then going back local, we have, let's see, we have, God, I missed out on one guy. I just remembered it. But we do have a field full of talent. Okay. Anyone from Alamany High School this year? Absolutely. We have, we have Gary. Now I'm going to do the best I can with his last name. It's a difficult name, but it's Chevichian. Gary. Gary Chevichian. Gary Chevichian from Alamany High School. Absolutely. And the Alamany coach is one of our coaches. He will be one of the coaches. Is that right? Yes. And what a fine, what a fine job he does at Alamany High School. Coach Stover, it's been great to have you on. We'll have you on again next week. Jason, you, you're doing a great job working on this game, the all academic game, which will be May 4th at Cathedral High School, 2.30 in the afternoon. Cathedral High School is in downtown LA. It is right across from Dodger Stadium, located at 1253 Bishops Road. Make sure you make plans May 4th to go to the all academic game at Cathedral High School. And we also have a website. You can also go to that allacademicgame.com and you can also go to that allacademicgame.com and the website will tell you everything you want to know about the game and all the people on it. Okay. So what's that website again? The name of the website is allacademicgame.com. Nice. allacademicgame.com. That's exciting. Listen, it's been great to have you guys on. I'm going to close out our show like we do every week, which is with the special theme song from Time Out with Coach Miller. Jeremy, roll it. 16 made a dream with this basketball. Coach Miller won the court and we going hard. Pass the rock to the paint. I give it my all to be like Chris Paul. Shoot the three points, y'all. Look, it's Time Out with Coach Miller. 14 straight conference championships. We winners. It don't stop from the bottom to the ceiling because all I know is win and we winning. Full focus. We got a topic to discuss. High school, prep school, small colleges, yup. Another special guest today. Listen up. It might get a little hectic from the stuff we discuss. Welcome to the 500 Club. We the best. My whole team tough. Close to 100 division ones. I'm the best. I'm the best. I built up. Dedication and hard work. Step up to the court. I'm like who ready to lose first. 14 times champs every year. Earned feet to the court. Let me get in my zone. Hands gripped to the ball. Let me get in control. Non-stop, can't quit. That's the winner's quote. I'ma just keep doing me. Hear the crowd as they cheer. 18 out of 19. Coach of the year. Time Out with Coach Miller. Listen clear. Two times. And the hat is up. And the hat is up. We winners. And don't stop from the bottom to the ceiling. Because all I know is when that we winning. Full focus. We got a topic to discuss. High school, prep school, small colleges, yup. Another special guest today. Listen up. It might get a little hectic from the stuff we discuss. State champs, high school and JC. He was the first coach to do it in California history. Coach Miller, he can beat any team. Got shooters on the court and dunkers dunk everything. He's got to win, so the plan is defeat. Been coaching on the court before he turned 18. From 08 going down to 93. He was the conference champs, home of the LACC. Youngest coach to beat 500 teams. 43. Everybody came doing like he. A coach is something he was destined to be. Now we got a radio show to discuss some things. Talking informative conversations. Listen to the real. Tuesday and Friday at night from 10 to 12. A live show. Tune in and listen well. Special guests that take audience calls as well. And then the event is up and running. Thank you.