Welcome to Time Out with Coach Mike Miller. Coach Miller is the basketball coach with the most wins in LACC history, coaching his teams to a national record of 14 straight conference championships, breaking UCLA's old record of 13. Coach Miller is the first basketball coach in California basketball history to win a state championship at both the high school and college levels. Coach Miller has been honored as Coach of the Year 18 times and has produced almost 100 Division I players. For the next two hours, get ready for stats, facts, rants, and your opportunity to chat with one of the most successful basketball coaches in the entire country and his friends. Time Out with Coach Mike Miller. Wow, we're back. We are live. We are on the air. It's another Friday night, and we are at Skid Row Studios. Hey, Scott, are you in there alone, or do you have Jeremy? Yeah, I'm just hanging out. Okay, you got Jeremy in there lurking? Yeah, he's lurking. He's lurking in the background? Okay, well, I got to always welcome our team, so let me welcome Scott first because he's the guy in the sound booth. Scott, everything been good for you this week or what? It's only getting started. Oh, it's only getting started? It's only getting started. Okay. What do you mean? What do you mean? Friday night? This is the start of your week? This is the start of my weekend. Your start of your weekend. Okay, I got you. But I asked you during the week, everything good for you during the week? Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, every other day besides Friday is Thursday night to me. I like that answer. That's a good answer. Okay. And Jeremy, I see you back in there. How are you doing? Great. How's it going, Coach Miller? I am doing great. Welcome. Back to Skid Row Studios. You're here enough anyway, I guess, huh? Yeah, yeah. I'm always here. Okay. Well, it's great to see you. It was a pleasant surprise to see you. And I'm excited to welcome one of our new team members. And that is over here opposite me. This is where Chris usually sits, Jeremy. You know what I'm saying? But Chris is working tonight. So I've got Clarence Jackson over here. Clarence, welcome. Thanks. Okay. Clarence, you ready to go? Yep. You ready to go? Yep. Your first time on the air? Mm-hmm. Okay. But you've been in the background. You've kind of been on the team. You've been kind of helping out in the studio, in the green room for a while now. Yep. Meeting new people. That's right. Meeting new people. And it's your first time on the air. So I've got you here. Chris is not here tonight. He had to work. You know, Chris is a big guy. You saw how big Chris is. He's a bouncer when he's not in the studio with me. And so he had to work tonight. And so shout out to Chris. Chris Maxwell, my favorite former power forward. And so this is our team. And our team welcomes tonight our special guest, who I'm very excited about. We've talked a couple of times on the phone. And Mr. Herman Few is a very unique individual who's got a lot of good information to share, specifically to help athletes. And I think... In a lot of different, unique ways. So we're going to talk about that in depth tonight. But our team welcomes Mr. Herman Few. Thank you. Wow. We got... Hey, Scott. Herman is getting a standing O here. Herman's getting a standing O from the crowd. Nice. Cheer it up. Nice. I like it. Okay. I like it too. Excellent. Excellent. Excellent. Excellent. Let's... Wait a second. That wasn't a standing O. That was like... Scott, that wasn't you in there scratching one of our CDs or anything, was it? Okay. I got you. Well, again, welcome back to Time Out with Coach Miller. We're excited to be here. And we're really excited to have Herman Few on with us tonight. And we actually juggled our guest lineup a little bit, Jeremy, tonight, because we had a couple of... We had two guests. Herman was scheduled for tonight. We scheduled him about... Carl got you on about three weeks ago. He booked this, right? Yes. And we had Carl, my guy who kind of runs things for me here behind the scenes, he thought that it was worthy to have you on for a longer period of time. And sometimes the 11 o'clock hour, people get a little tired. You know, they're starting to fade, or at least our listeners are. So he said, Coach Miller, we got to bring him on at 10. Can we get this? We're going to reschedule. We had a guest for 10 o'clock that was... I think Clarence has met him before. Clarence, did you meet Coach Jesse Teplotsky, who coached professional ball in Mexico? And wasn't he in the gym with you the other... Maybe last week? Yes, during workout. Yeah, that's right. So Jesse, Coach Jesse Teplotsky was scheduled for tonight. At 10 o'clock, who's a former pro coach overseas. And he runs a big scouting service. And Carl made the decision that Herman was more important. So we brought him in earlier. And we had to push that guest back to next week. So that's all right. It'll work out. So Herman, again, welcome. Let me ask you, let me start off with a little bit. Let's just, you know, talk a little bit about your background. Why don't you get into that for us? And then I'm going to ask you some questions about that. But before we start, you are from Northern California, right? Well, I've been living in Northern California the last 20 years. But I actually grew up in Southern California. Is that right? Yeah. Okay. Whereabouts? Harbor City. Went to Narbonne. Is that right? Narbonne. The Gauchos. That's right. The Gauchos. Clarence, I think you might have a relative who might be going to Narbonne. Right? Maybe? I don't think so. No? No? I heard that your brother was going to go there and play football. He's thinking about it, but he's trying to go to Sarah. Is that what he's doing? Okay. Well, I guess our guest would probably say he should probably go to Narbonne. I think so. Okay. Yeah. The Gauchos, right? Yes. Gold and green. The Gauchos. We've had Narbonne on. Their whole team was in studio one time this year. I don't know if you knew that. Actually, I saw that. You did? Yeah. Okay. They were in studio. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And their coach, and they did a great job. It was a lot of fun, and they had a great season. But, okay, so you're from down here, but for 20 years you've lived in Northern California, so in a way you're kind of from Northern California too, right? Warriors fan, you know. Okay. Wow. I don't know. Is it good to be a Warriors fan, Clarence? Nah. Nah. Nah. Nah. I mean, they just got beat by the Clippers, right? Mm-hmm. Okay. I mean, the one thing I want to say, and I'm going to bring you both, I want you both to to comment on this question. Okay. And I think this is a really unique question. We get into some unique topics on our show. We're not censored by the FCC because we're internet-based TV and radio. So we're not controlled like the same way a regular radio or TV station is controlled. So we can talk and we can say the F word sometimes and the S word sometimes, you know, we can get mad and, you know, we can curse and, you know, we can talk crazy sometimes. All right. Okay. So this guy just got fired from the Golden State Warriors, the coach, Mark Jackson. He did a pretty good job. I've heard he stepped on a lot of toes internally in the organization, other coaches, ownership, managers, so on. Okay. That's been reported. That's not something we need to talk about, but here's my question to both of you. And I'm just really... I'm really interested in your take on this. So during the series of the Clippers and the Warriors, the story broke of Donald Sterling, which was the national news story, right? About he had a girlfriend who was, I think she was mixed race, but maybe black and Hispanic. That's correct. And he said, he didn't really say, he never used the N word. He never, you know, he never cursed. He just told her, I don't want you to bring black people to my game. Okay. Okay. Kind of weird. All right. Kind of weird. I agree. I agree. Kind of weird. But the story broke. Everyone knows the story, so I'm not going to get into that story. But here's my question as a sideline to the story. During that series, that's the one game in Golden State where the Clippers had their protest. Clarence, I remember you saw it on, you told me about it and they turned their uniforms inside out, right? Yeah. And then they threw them down on the floor, like at half court or something before the game. Is that right, Clarence? Yep. And then they played the game and they got their butts kicked, right? Yep. Okay. And it looked like they was distracted. Understandably so. Okay. I mean, I've seen this kind of thing before, distraction. When I was a high school coach many years ago, before a big game, three of my players got in a car accident. Right before a game. Now, they weren't hurt, but they were scared. You know, your adrenaline, you know, you think you're going to die, but they didn't even have a scratch on them, not a broken bone. But they, so they came to the gym, got ready to play and they played horrible. A distraction, a distraction. Right. So the Clippers played horrible. We all agree, right? Okay. They got their butt kicked. This is my question. The next game was in LA. And everybody in the media, the speculation was, well, are people going to show up to the game? Do you remember this? This big speculation. Are the fans going to boycott? Are they going to show up? What's going to happen? And what I want to ask you is, I remember Mark Jackson, the coach for the Warriors, going on TV and saying, now, you, you're laughing because you probably remember this. He said on TV, hey, you, you shouldn't go to the game. You should protest the game by not going. Okay. This is the game in LA. And he said, then he said, whether you're a LA Clipper fan or a Golden State Warrior fan, you shouldn't go. You remember that? Yeah, absolutely. Okay. Now I want to get both of you to, to comment on that. That's my question is what do you think about Mark Jackson's position on that and his comment? Don't go to the game. Boycott the game. This is right after they beat the Clippers, blew them out up, up in Oakland. Okay. Where he, where he didn't tell no one to boycott that game. In fact, that was a home game. So he wanted everybody there. Okay. So I want, let's start with you. Herman, what do you, what do you think about Mark? I'm just talking, my question is Mark Jackson. We don't need to talk about Don Sterling and you know, he's an idiot and all that. We don't need to talk. See, I can say that here. We don't need to talk about that. We don't need to talk about Doc Rivers, the Clippers protesting. That's all been covered. Let's talk about Mark Jackson and what I perceive to be a pretty self-serving comment. Well, you know, I think to a certain degree, you know, he saw it as a potential advantage. You know, for the Clipper fans not to be in full force. So in that regard, I think it was self-serving. I also think though, by that time in the controversy, I think there had been a lot of dialogue between the players. Okay. And I think at that time, the players kind of knew that they had some leverage. So I think they were going to be a lot more aggressive with their protest. Okay. So I think it's a little bit easier for Jackson to say, let's all, basically go against quote unquote, Mr. Sterling. Gotcha. And not go. Gotcha. Okay. Okay. That makes, that makes sense. Clarence, did you see Mark Jackson's comment about this, or is this the first you're hearing about it when me and me and Herman are talking about it? This is the first time I heard it. Okay. So now sitting here today, you're just a neutral person. What do you think about him saying, don't go to the game down there in LA, the Clipper fans shouldn't go, then he adds in afterwards, the Warrior fans shouldn't go either. I mean, I honestly think he had no part of it. I don't think that he was his say-so in it because it wasn't meant for him anyways. It was between the Clippers. Yeah. Yeah. You know, Herman, I think that's true. I think it's internal. I mean, you know, for example, I'm not going to, you invite me over to your house, Herman, to have a barbecue and you have an argument with your brother, your uncle, your wife, your kid, whoever it is. Right. It's not my position to come into the argument you're having with your family member and take a side. That's not my position. Right. I'm a guest in your house. We're having a barbecue. Let's say you invite me over. I'm there. That's, you know, I'm neutral. I mean, I got to stay out of that. I mean, you know what I'm saying? So Clarence, I think has a great point. And I think your point was a great point is, first of all, we both agree that was a side. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Self-serving comment Mark Jackson made because it's like he's trying to get advantage by not having the Clipper fans show up. And second, it's none of his business. It's not his business. It's that that's the that's the Clippers business, really, in my view. Right. OK. And I think that's a part of a point of contention. I think that at that point, everybody kind of and when I say everybody, I'm referring to everybody in the league kind of took it as it's now league business. It was just the Clippers. I think that was the position that, you know, Jackson and a lot of other people took. If I recall, there was quite a few people that were talking about don't go to the game. And I remember the gentleman on Sports Talk, Wiley, Marcellus Wiley, he's a big Clipper fan, and he said he wasn't going. He had made that clear. Most people say that was a personal decision and everybody should make their own choice. But see, I agree with that. I agree that it is a personal decision. And everyone should make their own choice. And that's exactly why he shouldn't be telling people not to go. Okay. So that said, it's not his business to get on a platform now. I also understand your point, Herman. It's well taken by me that it became a league matter. And it was. It was addressed by the league. Okay. It went beyond just the Clippers. And I don't think, Clarence, you meant that only the Clippers should care. But see. My thing is the way you, in a democracy and in a capitalistic society, the way you vote is with your dollars. Okay. So my whole thing is it wasn't even needed that the NBA do what they did. Is that, to be honest, there would have been a worse punishment for Donald Sterling had the NBA done nothing. And you're a psychology guy. And you know where I'm going. I'm going with this. Had the NBA done nothing, what would have happened is everybody, nobody would have bought tickets next year. Okay. They would have had, you know, a thousand people for their games. Okay. Instead of 21,000. Already within a day of it becoming a big story, three or four of the major advertisers pulled out. Okay. That would have happened with every advertiser. Okay. So what I'm saying is, the NBA actually did him a favor. Because by fining him and by giving him the suspension and maybe forcing him to sell the team, forcing him to sell the team is like, okay, now you get $900 million. Right. Okay. If they had done nothing and let him sit there, nobody going to the games, no one paying money for advertising. Right. The thing would have like, you know, imploded. And he'd be sitting there losing money every year. Right. Okay. And what would have happened is he would have been embarrassed. He would have been embarrassed. Okay. So, but see, I look at things differently. And as a coach, and I think Herman, you can appreciate this. And we're going to get into a lot of your background here in a couple minutes. But I'll give you a great example of how I look at things. Okay. I always say to players all the time, you should do what's best for you. I always say that to people all the time. Okay. My guy, Jeremy here, he runs this place. I tell him all the time, Jeremy, do what's best for you. Don't worry about, you know, you know, the things on the periphery. We'll do what's best for you. So I tell the player, if it's best for you to practice hard, practice hard. If it's best for you to go to class, go to class. Do what's best for you. Okay. And I think that's a really important concept. Okay. Because I feel like that, I mean, politically, you know, obviously the NBA made a statement. They felt like they had to make a statement. It was a new commissioner too, right? Yes. So he felt pressure. Right. Like everyone's looking at him, the first big decision, what are you going to do? Okay. But I'm just telling you, you could have hurt him a lot more. Okay. Mm-hmm. By. Giving him a little fine and letting him, letting him hurt him where it counts in the wallet. Okay. That's how you would have hurt him a lot more. Now you're actually helping him. He's going to get $900 million. Financially, you're right. I mean, he's going to be okay financially. You know, I think Adam Silver, the commissioner, I think he had a lot of pressure to levy the fine that he fined. That he sent, you know, I don't even know that. I think to be honest with you, I think the players got together. I think they said if they don't give them the max that they were going to walk. Yeah. And I think he was fearful of that. I think that's why he did what he did. Yeah. I agree. I agree now. But here's another point. Here's another point. Let's just pretend for a minute. Let's ask Clarence because he's still playing. Okay. So if you were in the NBA, so we got to put that on the table first because you're not in the NBA. So obviously we all, to get what we want, we'll do whatever. But I'm saying, just pretend you're already in the NBA. And the owner of the Clippers was still owning the team. And he offered you a contract. And another team offers you a contract. Just pick the other team. Pick a team, Herman. I don't care. Pick a team, any team. Mavericks. Mavericks. So Dallas Maverick offer you a contract. Okay. And this crazy owner of the Clippers offer you a contract. And you're already in the NBA. And you have to choose which one. I will choose the Mavericks because if he's questioning his wife about black people coming to the game, why do he let black people play on his team at the same time? Exactly. And so that's my point. Do you see how bad his team would have become bad, Herman? True. Is that he wouldn't have been able to sign any good players. That's exactly my point. Okay. So Clarence just made my point. And again, it's good to ask a player. Right. Right. It's good to ask a player because, you know, you and I work with players in perhaps slightly different ways. Sure. But for the same result. But you asked a player. Is that, what would you do? And his answer is what basically 99% of the players would do. They would not sign. Right. Now, if they had no choice because that was the only team that offered them a contract, obviously, then they're going to. So that's, again, part of my point. You could have punished this guy a lot worse. They would have been last place. They would have been losing money. He would have been embarrassed. And instead, I think he bought the team, Clarence, for $15 million. Maybe Herman knows. It was between, I heard, $12 million to $14.5 million. Okay. So he bought the team right around less than $15 million. And he's about to sell it for $900 million. Or more. Or more. Yeah. Okay. I mean, Oprah Winfrey's talking about buying it. She's like the richest woman in the world. You know, she got money. So what I'm saying is that if, I mean, it's not really a punishment for him. And if you think about they fined him $2.5 million, that's like reach into your pocket for a quarter for him. For him. That's what it's like. I mean, that's not no fine. I mean, not for him. I mean, it is for a normal person. But anyway, enough about that. I'm glad we got to touch on, we got to talk about this topic, which was important. And it was all because Herman is from. Northern California. Sort of from Northern California. So it's all because of that. 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He's been helping guests come up and down the stairs and the elevators. And he's been, you know, in and out of the sound booth with some of our other crew. And Clarence, welcome. We got a little clapping for Clarence, too. Look at that. We got that. We got a little. A little more of a standing. But Clarence got some. Clarence got a little. Yeah. Clarence got a little bit there. A little bit of love. So, okay. It's exciting to be here. We are back. Herman, we were talking about, I know off the air, I've talked a little bit about your education, which is amazing. Well, we already talked about you went to Narbonne. And Clarence, Narbonne has had a pretty good run this year in basketball. They had a good team. Boy, good team. Yeah. So, did you play basketball at Narbonne? Yes, I did. That's what I thought. Yeah. That's what I thought. And how did that go for you? Pretty good. Pretty good. I actually was injured. Okay. I got, had a knee operation my 11th grade year. And then when I ended up going on to Long Beach State, my freshman year, I had my other knee operated on. So, that pretty much put an end to my career. I played a little semi-pro ball with the, you know, the, you know, the, you know, the ball. And I was pretty good. I was pretty good. I was pretty good. I was pretty good. I was pretty good. I was pretty good. I was pretty good. I was pretty good. I was pretty good at my career. I played a little semi-pro ball with the, at the Cerritos Summer Pro League. Okay. You know, but I think the significance behind that too was it gave me an opportunity to really see what happens to athletes when they get injured and consequently what's gonna happen when you have to transition out. And in my case I had to transition out sooner than I initially wanted to. Okay. But the reality of it is everybody is gonna reach a point when they're going to tell you it's not going to happen no more whether it's due to injury or you just don't get it done anymore because you got old or whatnot so at the time it seemed like one of the worst things in the world to happen to me but sure it actually opened up my eyes to there's a lot of guys that go through this sure that's a great point and so Clarence think about that from your perspective you know you're a player you're 19 you're you're kind of just about to start on your uh career really you know getting out of high school and starting into a different path of basketball or or whatever sport you follow because Clarence plays more than one he plays track football basketball but exactly that point now do you ever think about what Herman said like he said all of a sudden he was forced out of the sport because of injuries it was a lot sooner than he thought do you ever think that way at all yeah people tell me about that a lot of times I'm like I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know I don't know a lot what if a lot of what if but I don't focus on what if a lot it's hard to just be in the present and live it yeah you know that's a pretty healthy psychologically that's a pretty healthy attitude right Herman right absolutely yeah so um Clarence is a pretty pretty uh pretty unique in that way because uh that's a very wise thing you know I know people that go to four or five years of psychotherapy just to learn what he just said and what I believe not he just said but that's probably actually truthful like not just what he said it's what he does right yeah well you know and it's good to definitely and when I work with athletes stay in the moment so I'm never one to kill the dream um but while you're in the moment you can still start preparing for the transition and that doesn't mean you're not going to make it that doesn't mean you won't hit your goals but that just means you're ahead of the game right right that that's a great point and and I got to tell you um you know there's a balance because I mean although Clarence said he he stays focused in the present but he's not only focused on on basketball or sports I mean he's learning he tries to learn new things every day he tries to learn he he wants to expand his mind about you know the world about how to do successful things outside of sports so so I think he is sort of planning he may not articulate that he may not articulate that but he's not focused on the present so I think he's not focused on the present so I think he's not focused on the present but I think he actually is sort of planning other things in his mind and his life but they're just in the present don't you think that's true Clarence isn't that what you do yeah I try my best to get high as I get in sports but if I don't succeed I always have at least a backup plan and I have more than just one backup plan right just in case that either one of those can go yeah that's a good point well back to back to your education Herman you went to Long Beach State then after Narbonne you got that's when you probably kind of started down that path it's like you said a little sooner than you expected yeah out of basketball and you transition into being a real student and what I like is right away from the beginning of your undergraduate career as a student you started in on psychology right away you you got your bachelor's in psychology which is a great degree to have by the way for a coach because think about the coaches they're going to be the coaches that you both have had at different times some coaches know how to get the best out of a player maybe the best out of you and others maybe get the worst out of you and make you quit or make you get mad and maybe whatever they do and really almost all of that is psychology absolutely you know it's very little what do you call X's and O's in basketball I mean it's very little I mean you've got a lot of X's and O's it's almost all psychology right right I think um that's kind of even the new trend in the NBA where they're not so much are concerned with excellent O's guys they're more concerned with guys that can relate to the present day player and guys that can motivate the present day player I mean we briefly spoke about Mark Jackson early on but I think that was his strong point in Golden State it wasn't his next nose but um allegedly it was his ability to motivate the guys the young guys and relate to them and whatnot so okay okay yeah that's a that's a good that's a really good point and then and then I guess he was able to relate to them to a certain degree and so on and then all of a sudden out the blue now were you were either one were you let me start Herman were you surprised he got fired um yes and no I mean I had heard rumblings that um if they didn't go super far that that was going to happen but um in terms of the performance I was a little surprised because even even even even even He was there three years, and they progressed every year. But I also understand the way it is. And there were some issues going on with his coaching staff, with the management. They said that he really stepped on a lot of toes, that he really rubbed people the wrong way internally. I mean, Clarence, I was surprised that he was fired. I just looked up one day, and then he was gone. I mean, I was like, what happened? But anyway, so you went on after you got your B.A. in psychology, and I guess that's probably when you transitioned up to Northern California. Exactly. Otherwise, I wouldn't have even considered moving to Northern California. I was an L.A. guy and do a lot of soul searching, a lot of research. And let me tell you, I took this track, but it took a lot of development, internal development on my part to get to this. But yeah, at that point is when I decided I wanted to pursue my master's in sports psychology. And that's a unique degree because most of the time, the schools that offer a master's in psychology, it's not a master's in sports psychology. It's usually just a master's in psychology or master's in counseling or what have you. But you have a really unique degree is that yours is actually a master's of arts in sports psychology. Yeah. And congratulations. Oh, thanks. It was a lot of hard work, I bet. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. And, you know, in addition to the actual study and its combination of all my life experiences that played a major part in what allows me to really get into the mix now and work with the guys and really understand, you know. Okay, gotcha. Now, how long did that program last, the master of arts in sports psychology? Was that... It's a two-year program. Okay. And at the time when I started the program, they had also started a doctor of psychology, which otherwise referred to as a PsyD. Okay. So I transitioned from the MA program over to the PsyD program. Oh, okay. And it's not until you get your doctorate degree can you officially call yourself a psychologist. Right, or doctor. Right. So one day we might, Clarence, be calling our guest, Herman, Fu, Dr. Herman Fu, maybe, when he gets that. He got to get that. That's a lot of work, that psychology degree, the doctor of psychology degree. Yeah, no, and that's definitely the game plan. You know, that's... Initially, when I even went up there, that was the thing. I wanted to get the doctorate degree, but they didn't even have anything that focused specifically on sports psych. Okay. Now, you're going to jump back into that then in the fall? That's what I'm looking at, yeah. Okay. So that would mean that you're going to move back up, back up there? I'll be... Back and forth? By city. Not bi-coastal, but bi-city, northern, yeah. Bi-coastal is you're in California and New York. Right. But you're going to be bi-city. You're going to be Northern Cal, Southern Cal. Yeah, I figure I'll probably split my time in both places. Okay, okay, I got you. Now, let's talk about what you're doing today. Yep. Why don't you start us off with that? Fill us in. I work with athletes and I consider myself a athlete career development specialist. And I say that because it's a big umbrella and it covers a lot of things. Fortunately, I don't know if I told you this or not, but I was actually a certified agent in the NFL for six years. You know, I did not know that. Yeah. So the significance behind that is I had an opportunity to really seeing behind the scenes, a lot about pro sports. Okay. Went to a lot of events, stuff of that nature. Was able to be involved in some pretty decent contract negotiations, talked to some general managers, stuff like that. Okay. So what I basically had decided to do, I used my experience as an agent. I coached too, I think I told you that. That I knew, that I knew. You had coached in junior college and in high school. Yep. And at different times. Yeah. And so, and in the pro summer league. Yeah. As well. So you had the coaching background a little bit there. Right. And then you had the agent background. Right. But the thing I'm interested in is what you're doing today because athletic career development specialist, I don't, Right. I've never heard of it before. Right, right. So it's very unique. And so what I want to do is I want to kind of drill down on that a little bit Okay. and get back from our commercial break. Sure. And get a little bit more into that depth and detail. So Scott, roll a quick commercial or two here for me. And then we'll be right back with Herman Few. And we will talk a little bit more about what you're doing with this athletic career development specialist. Sounds good. All right. Hey, this is Coach Miller and I'm really proud and excited to tell you about our brand new Facebook page. That's right. 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Yeah, yeah. We got the little, what are they called? The water barrels. That's right. When I saw that, I was like so excited. I mean, I was like, wow. I mean, because usually we're hot up in here, right, Scott? It's hot in the studio. There's no water. Yeah. I'm hoping it feels a little cooler today. It does. I try to take care of you guys tonight. It does. What did you do to make it cooler in here? Ah, I'm a wizard, you know. Okay. You don't want to tell me. Okay. I got you. I won't pry into your secrets. So all I can say is I hope Jeremy is okay with it. So he's the boss, so I hope he's okay with it. But we are back, and we've got Herman Few, who one day we may call Dr. Herman Few Clarence one day. Sounds cool. Yeah. I think that would say. There's a cool sound to it, right? Mm-hmm. Like Dr. Herman Few. It goes together. Exactly. It goes well together. I was like, you know, just pretend like you're going into a restaurant and they call the name, right? You know, you get a reservation. Dr. Herman Few, your table is ready. Okay. Sounds great. It goes together. Okay. I agree. And what Herman Few is doing now is he's running his organization, I think you call it Few Sports. I can remember that. Yeah. Okay. And we were talking about it before we went to break, an athletic career development specialist, very unique kind of a thing. And basically you're a consultant then, right? Isn't that what you really are? You're a consultant. What is an athletic career development specialist? Are you developing an athlete's career after sports? Is that what this is about? Actually, I work with an athlete in, as you guys know, a career is a process. Right. So I work with them as we go through the process. Along the way, depending upon where they are in the process, there's different transitions and stuff of that nature. A lot of people think when you're talking about psychology, they think, okay, when there's a problem, you bring in a guy. For Christ's sake, you bring in a guy. What I try to do is prevent those crises. We try to hit issues before they happen. Ultimately, first of all, everybody's different. So you have to evaluate where everybody's goals are, everybody's abilities. So that's the first thing I do. And then at that point, we look at what we have to set up to make them be as successful as they possibly can be. Okay. You know, professional sports, it's not going to be for everybody. Your career may end in college. Sure. It may end in high school. It may end in high school. Which is fine. But the whole purpose is wherever you're meant to go, we want to maximize that. So I'm able to maximize that by, number one, steering clear of pitfalls. And just basically whatever the process is, it's kind of like this. I look at, and there's the book by William Roden, who speaks about, one of his chapters speaks about the conveyor belt. And a lot of elite athletes, once you're pegged as being a great athlete, you're put on this conveyor belt and there's certain stresses and this, that, and the other that you go through. So one of the things that I do is work with the athlete on that before it hit, before it blindsides them. I prevent, I put things out to them. So it's kind of, if that makes sense. It does. It does. And, um, I think what you're doing is very unique, but the way I'm gathering this is, let me think. You're like a consultant slash life coach in a way, but for trying to focus on athletes. That's yeah. Is that right? Yeah. Yeah. Um, because as you know, being a successful coach, you know, um, athletes lives or, in some ways, very similar to a regular person, but very different. They are different at times. They have stresses. Right. That the average person may or may not have things that are unique to them. Um, you have people, life coaches, counselors, et cetera, et cetera, that will work with athletes. But unless you've been trained specifically, unless you perhaps understand the mind of a coach, you know, certain things like that, these athletes have to interact with, unless you understand, maybe working with, uh, a guy that has to deal with another teammate, right. You know, um, a jealous teammate, uh, you know, et cetera, et cetera. There's certain things that, you know, maybe on the surface you can address, but you can't get down deep. You know, so, um, with my background in training, I'm able to do that. Um, and then for some of the guys that are really set to go super, super far doing sports management, being involved in the recruiting process, talking to coaches, this, that, and the other, um, I can help them understand what these coaches are looking for. Um, I've worked with pro guys already and, um, I've seen some of their difficulties. So like I said, um, it's not a one fit all operation. It depends upon, I have to meet you where you're at and just expand and get you to grow to your, your highest level. Right. I, I got you. Okay. That makes sense. Now, Clarence, as you hear that, what comes to your mind? Like that, that as a young student athlete that you are, if, if when you hear what, what Herman does to, to kind of what his business is, which is athletic career development specialist is what the title is, but he's doing consulting. He's kind of a coach in a way, but not so much a coach on the court right now. Although he's done that, it's more like coaching people in their life. What comes to your mind? When you hear that, um, it comes to my mind is this. I really don't know. It's just like, it's like a big extra help. Like it's more motivation to, to play and know that it's just more stuff to do and more things, people to help you and care. Okay. So you would look at what he's doing as like part of a support system is what I'm hearing. Like extra eyes, eyes and ears and hands and mouth to help you help you as a student athlete to, to reach your goals. Yeah. Like more motivation for us. So possibly a motivator and possibly someone that would be a support for you. Okay. So, and, and you're saying that, that that would be helpful. Yes. Yeah. Now, now Herman, is that, how much of that do you do? How much motivation, do you do with, with the athletes? You know, I don't necessarily think of it as motivation. I think of it more as keeping a guy on track. Okay. But, you know, I think you can definitely put motivation into that. And I think gentleman was absolutely correct when he said, basically, a support being part of a support system. I don't come in and contradict the coach, contradict anybody's parents or anything like that. I try to align myself with the positive aspects of the player's career or life or whatever. And I just try to work with them. I try to share my knowledge, my experiences and my education, again, to extract the most we can get out of the player in his career. Okay. Yeah. That's, that's smart on your part. I mean, you don't want to go in and clash with the coach or, you know, get into coaching philosophies or, or, you know, the, the real pitfall, Clarence is this, let's just pretend that, you're playing, you're on the team and, and Herman is been brought in to work with the team. And you're not playing as much as you would like to play playing time wise. This has got to be an age old thing. You probably run into, do you, before I ask, go on further. Do you work with, with athletes of all sports or only basketball? Mainly focused basketball, football, and baseball. Okay. But I, but I have worked with some Olympics type sports as well. But my main focus is the top three. I got you. Okay. So would it be fair to say basketball first, football second? Um, or more? One A, one B. One A, one A. Okay. That's a good answer. Clarence, you probably liked that answer, right? Cause you, you play football too. Yeah. Which do you like better? Football or basketball? I like basketball better. Do you really? Wow. I thought, I'm surprised. You were the starting quarterback on your, your football team. Yeah. I was, I was the starting quarterback for, until like when we played Compton and the starting quarterback broke his collarbone and I was starting at safety and I was the backup quarterback at the time. So they like pulled me right out of safety. I didn't know where, and I've been playing quarterback ever since then. Wow. So, I mean, you like, you seem like basketball more. Yeah. Okay. Interesting. But, but Herman, you're saying that, the basketball and football is basically about the same for you in terms of the, the, the clients and your emphasis. Okay. So how much are you finding that question? If Clarence, you were working with his team and he's complaining about playing time, isn't that a common thing you're, you're dealing with? Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you know, all players want to play more, you know, very seldom have you seen a guy's happy with this playing time. And, and when I'm faced with an issue like that, or if a player presents that to me, I can help him deal with not getting the minutes that they may want. And part of that may be because quite frankly, they haven't earned the minutes. That's a great, and that's where I was getting to with the next question was when he, when Herman said Clarence, when he said it's not, he doesn't want to come in and like contradict the coach or clash with the coach or the parents. Right. See, that's very, very important because maybe the player didn't earn enough playing time yet, but if he were to take the side, let's say you're the player complaining, I'm not playing enough. Coach isn't playing me enough. And he takes your side. Okay. Basically you've contradicted the coach then, right? Absolutely. And, and being a former coach, I can understand and relate to that being a problem. And that's why I'm very sensitive. And that would be, I'm not going to get into, um, if a player's crying and belly aching about the situation, that's not what I do. I'm not going to cry with him. That's what I'm trying to do is empower them. If they want more time, then let's figure out how you can get more time. Gotcha. Now that I, I love that answer. Now, what I want to do is I want to do a little role play here. Okay. Sure. So Clarence is going to be the, the, the client. He's going to be the student athlete and you're going to be yourself, which is Herman. Few, the athletic career development specialist. So let's, let's have Clarence start by, by telling you what the problem is. And we're going to do a little role play. Cause I like how you just said your job is to sort of empower them to figure out how to do better. Right. Okay. Instead of to cry with them or accept their crying to, you know, and, and, and because that's not taking responsibility, is it? No. Okay. So Clarence, will you make up, let's just take something that's like happened. Maybe that would be a problem that, that you could bring to the table right now in your sports world. I'll say I'm not getting enough playing time and I'm working hard at, I'm working hard in practice, but the coach doesn't see it. And he did focusing on the two people. And they get more playing time than anybody put together. So you're, you're saying that the coach is focused on two players primarily. Like, do you, are you saying kind of showing favoritism? Yeah. Okay. Towards those two players. Yeah. And they get more, those two get more playing time than everyone else. Okay. And you're working hard in practice, but you're not being noticed. Yes. Okay. And that in you're concerned about your playing time. Okay. So you, you, you, you, you pick up the phone or you find Herman on the internet. He's recommended. Someone tells you about him. He's an athletic career development specialist. You come to his office. I'm assuming that initially most of this is done face to face. You, you have to, because so much of psychology is the body language, right? The talking, it's not just the words, right? Okay. Now, after you have a relationship built, then maybe on the phone, some exactly. Okay. But, but he walks into your office, Clarence walks into your, into your office and he, he says these things that he just said. Now, where do you go from here? Well, my first question to Clarence would be, what kind of communication do you have with your coach? You know, you speak about the coach not paying attention, this, that, and the other. Well, how do you draw on that? You know, maybe the coach has paid attention and maybe the coach feels the way he feels for specific reasons. So what I would do is try to, find out from the coach why he comes to the conclusion that he's come to. So I don't know what kind of communication you have. And for a lot of players, it's difficult talking to the coach. Oh yeah. That I can help him on. We can do some role play. I can give him some suggestions. Okay. You know, the proper way to approach a coach. I mean, coaches want to win, you know, and I very seldom, are you going to find a coach that's going to favor a player just for the sake of favoring a player? That's, that's not what, that's not the makeup of a coach. I haven't met a coach that doesn't want to win the game. Right. You know, I mean, they may have a different philosophy on how to win the game, but they have a winning philosophy, you know? So, well, the, the base of their philosophy is they want to win. Right. Now that's a great point. I just want to, I've never met a coach yet that didn't want to win a game ever in whatever level. And the one thing I could never understand, but see, I, I also see Clarence's point a little bit because I'll, I'll tell you this. I've had players that I didn't like as people, but I played them because they were good players and they, and they would help me win. And I've had players that I thought were great people that I didn't play as much because they weren't as good as these other players. Now, I was, I was truly putting the team first. How can we make our team win? That's what I was doing. Right. Okay. Now, Clarence, there's probably been players that thought, Oh, I should be playing more, but I don't know. The favoritism thing is the thing that, that Clarence brought up that you're bringing up that I'm, I'm feeling it from both of you really, because we'll go ahead, Herman. Well, let's get, let's, let's address that further. With the favoritism. I mean, do you think coaches like a player and just play them because they like them? You know, I think coaches are human. So you, you have a tendency, you'll radiate to somebody that you just happen to like. And there may be a couple of minutes that on the plus side or minus side that go, but in the most, in the most part, I don't believe a guy's going to play a guy in excessive amount just because he likes them or not. I've never seen a guy play a guy, you know, a decent amount because he dislikes them. I've just, I've never seen that. So again, my thing would be to sit down with the player, try to empower the player where he can talk to the coach and find out from the coach. Why am I not playing? Right. I got you. That makes sense. So now what would you say about Clarence's specific situation that he brought up? Let's get into that. He walks into your office. He's the coach. He's the coach. He's the coach. He's the coach. He's the coach. He's the coach. He's the coach. He's the coach. He's the coach. He's the coach. He's the client. So now what? What's the next step? Well, first and foremost, we do an intake, you know, so I guess the intake is I'm not playing a lot. Um, so I would talk to him and kind of try to evaluate his ability to communicate. Okay. You know, if he was really articulate, then we wouldn't have to spend a lot of time with that I would, you know, give a recommendation how to approach the coach. And if he was really articulate and really confident, he could go right ahead and do that. And most instances, most instances, guys aren't very comfortable doing that. So we had, that would be a process to kind of work through that. Okay. Now what are some of the key, you know, we've talked about communication actually, right? Clarence, we've talked about that. So let's get Herman's take on that. Cause he's the psychology background guy and a really smart guy. Almost got his doctor, you know, in front of his name. He's got a couple of years to go, but he's, he's almost there. Okay. And so now tell us, tell our listeners and tell me and Clarence here and Scott in the studio, a little bit more about communication. What do you mean specifically? Give us some hints on how we can communicate better. Tell Clarence how he can communicate better as a student athlete. Well, first of all, as an athlete coach relationship, you don't want to attack the coach. You know, you don't, you don't want to come across like the coach doesn't know what he's doing and you do and stuff like that. So particularly when you start communicating with the coach, you just, you want to, you don't want the coach to be defensive. You don't, nobody wants to feel like they're being attacked and they have to defend themselves. So the first thing you would do is just approach him and just try to talk to him and try to explain to him that I'm really not understanding what I'm not doing right, coach, you know? In terms of I'm getting X number of minutes and I think they should be double whatever the case may be. So I really sincerely want to know, you know, and not, not sarcastically, but sincerely, that's where you're coming from. And then at that point, if you disagree, you know, it's okay to tell the coach that you see things a little bit differently, but you can do it in a mature, non-aggressive, you know, disrespectful manner. And I think, you know, for a lot of athletes, because they're so competitive, they're, it's real, they're real quick to want to fight type situation. And I don't literally mean fist fight, but you know, you want to stand for yours, you know, but you have to understand that you, sometimes you have to humble yourself a little bit to stand back and just, and just get a good conversation going, you know, and let the coach know that perhaps that what you think is right may not be right. And the coach, maybe you're not seeing things. So it's like, coach, tell me what I'm not seeing and let's go from there. Okay. That makes a lot of sense. Okay. We want to get back into this a little bit deeper and some other aspects of it as well, but we're going to take a short commercial break. And, and when we get back, we'll get back into, wait, that's someone dribbling the basketball. You guys hear that? Okay. I guess we, I guess we got basketball, our minds here. Maybe it's because the NBA finals are almost here. Okay. I think it'd be great to have Herman work with an NBA team. I remember the year I spent with the Lakers was Phil Jackson's last year there. And he had a sports psychologist come in once a week and talk to the team. And I don't know if all the NBA teams did that. Cause I was never involved with the NBA before I was there one year observing and, and, and I sure enjoyed that that year I spent with the Lakers the year I was there, we were the two time defending NBA champions and we lost to the Mavericks. Mavericks beat us for nothing in the, in the second round, but it was still a great experience for me. And, and I remember I think it was Fridays that the sports psychologist would come in. Phil Jackson brought him in every Friday, once a week though, Clarence, and he talked to the whole team as a group. And then, Sometimes he would talk one-on-one to the players. So very, very valuable. And we'll get back and talk more about this in a couple minutes. Let's take a short commercial break. We'll be right back. Hey, it's Coach Miller. And I want to tell you about Maya Sportswear. Maya Sportswear is located at 1400 South Main Street in Los Angeles. That's down in the Garment District. Maya Sportswear has the best deals on rhinestone, embroidery, and silk screening. They specialize in uniforms, T-shirts, and shorts. Go to Maya Sportswear, tell them Coach Miller sent you, and you'll get a special, special deal. Their phone number is 213-742-0742. 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Hey, yo, phone ringing. Hey! Okay, you hear that? Okay, our phone number is 1-800-893-9562. That number again is 1-800-893-9562. If you have a question for Herman Few or myself, call in 1-800-893-9562. We'd love to have you. And before we get back, I want to give a special shout out to a couple of our listeners. One special listener out of Burbank, California, Joel Gonzalez. Joel, if you're listening tonight, I want to give you a special shout out. You've been a great and loyal listener. And we thank you for your support of the show. And also a little shout out to Barbara Harrison down in Palm Desert. Barbara. Hope you're listening tonight and that things are going well for you this weekend. And wait a second. I got a call. And Scott, you have a call already for me? Okay, put the caller on. Caller, you're on the air. Hello. Hi, caller. Go ahead. How are you today? Doing great. Doing great. Thank you for calling. What's your name? My name is Bob. And I was interested in knowing what the player response with this ordeal with the Clippers. Should the players and the player leadership have a response? And who is your guest? I'm calling from New Mexico. Oh, you're calling from New Mexico. Okay. Well, we have a special guest tonight, Herman Few, who's actually, I'm going to let him, kind of start with your, by the way, you have a great question. And I'm going to let him start with the answer. And then I'm going to delve into that a little bit myself. But Bob, let's hold the line and let's see what Herman says about this. Herman? Yeah. So let me just be clear on the question, Bob. You're asking what the player's responsibility would be on the situation, the Donald Sterling situation? Yes. Now, the league has intervened and made statements. And then Kevin Johnson, who was a player at one time and now is mayor, I'm not sure if he's speaking for the players, but should the players specifically be crafting, a response and a position in regards to this? Because they're dealing with very, very wealthy people. And these words, I'm sure to many players or others, have been heard before. And what should the player response be, if any? Right. Well, I think what happens, what happened was the players felt like they finally had some leverage or if nothing else, they decided they were going to use the leverage. You ask about Kevin Johnson, and I think he was a spokesperson for the players and the Players Association. So I think the bottom line was they just said that we want to not so much just hit Mr. Sterling in the pocket, but I think that they wanted to make a point across the board about, I think, racism. I think this opens up the door on the whole topic of racism and stuff like that. And I think they said that this is much bigger than just basketball. So I think that's the position the players took. Yeah, I think they did, too. Were you surprised, Bob, that Kevin Johnson, who's the mayor of Sacramento, as you mentioned, was holding a press conference, having players in the background and such, when, I mean, I can almost understand the mayor of L.A. and the people in the state of L.A. and the people in the state of L.A. doing this. But were you surprised that the mayor of Sacramento, granted he's a former NBA player, but that he was holding a press conference in the Capitol and so on and so forth talking about this issue? Actually, I thought it was quite symbolic because in addition to being a former player, I think he was also involved in the player representation as well. But he was... His stature and position, his demeanor as a player and as a person, and then being aware of many of those things that came into play. I'm sure as an athlete and as a player, he had probably heard or felt some of this, but he was aware of many of the things that players have felt before. So I'm sure this is not a first-time issue. Right. No, I agree with you there. I mean, he was uniquely qualified being a former player and so on. But I just was surprised. I'm not saying he's wrong. I was just surprised that... I would have liked to see the mayor of L.A. hold a press conference the way Kevin Johnson did as the mayor of Sacramento. I would have thought that would have been more appropriate. The mayor of L.A. maybe should have weighed in publicly. Right. You know, I think it would have been nice maybe to have a joint situation with the mayor of L.A. You know, because I do... I think what Bob's saying, and I would agree, it's very significant with Kevin Johnson being a former player, you know, being mayor of the capital. But I understand what you're saying too, Coach, why that mayor of Los Angeles with the Clippers, you know. He actually, yes, spoke, you know, out recently, but it's kind of been, you know, not on the forefront, kind of, you know, behind the scenes. But it would have been nice, ideally, for them collectively to speak out. Yeah. Okay, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Now, Bob, did you have a... I thought you had initially two questions. Did you have one more question? Let's see, maybe one other to bring on controversy of some kind. But what is... Have... Is there a position outlined by students in reference to being paid for these sports? The coaches are getting... Some of the coaches are getting $8 million, $10 million plus endorsement deals and everything. And the players go home broke, where they have to do odd things to... Just... To eat on some occasions. Should athletes be, like, poor? Because they're athletes. And we're not talking about just the tier one athletes, the ones that will play pro, but down the line athletes. You know, great, great question. And I just, before you guys answer, I'm going to ask Herman and Clarence to weigh in on this. But I just wanted to say there was a little story during the NCAA tournament. The really good guard from Connecticut, they won the national championship. Point guard. And he was saying how he didn't have enough money to eat. And that they didn't give, like when they were away on the road trips and they didn't give them enough money to eat food, that it was just like snacks. And so he was basically starving. And he was here... You know, the television contract that CBS gives to the NCAA is like in the hundreds of millions of dollars. The combined contracts are in the billions if you estimate them over three and five years. Well, yeah. In the billions. Exactly. But I'm talking about for one season. It's hundreds of millions of dollars. Yeah. And UConn is selling out every game. They're on TV. They're making money. The star player don't have enough food to eat. There's something wrong with this picture, you guys. Now, let's start... One other point I wanted to make, and that is for their families, if you're not in town and local and have cars and for their families to participate in their sport, I mean, if you're not of means, it's very, very difficult. And that's the other consideration because these guys move on in their lives virtually without family assistance because if they're out of state or maybe in some large states, out of the city, they don't have a chance to mature very well without their parents and people that care about them. Great point. You know, what jumps to my mind, Bob, is this, is that let's just say there's a player and he's from a poor family and his team is doing good in the tournament, the NCAA tournament, or in football, you know, they're going to the Rose Bowl. Maybe he's from Michigan State and he's a poor kid, poor family. His parents or his brother or whoever can't go and see him play because they can't afford, to go make that trip. They can't afford to buy a plane ticket. They can't afford to stay in a hotel. And that's not right. I mean, that's not right. I mean, the NCAA should, you know, assist poor student athletes in some regard for their families, not only so the student athlete can eat properly, but so the family can go and see them play. Not every game, maybe. I understand that there's got to be a limit to things, but not every game. And maybe a couple of times a year, right? Maybe just special occasions. The home games. Family's most important to a student athlete. Yes. To see them in the stands before a game or during a game. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, you know, I think Mr. Few, I think you know and work with difficult and I've heard you speak before. But I've heard you address issues of trouble, difficult in athletes that can sometimes be trouble. And when their families are left out, I think it kind of makes it even more difficult for them to stay grounded. Mr. Few, could you kind of give me a couple words on that? I'm sorry, gentlemen, but I've heard him speak before. Well, I mean, what you're talking about, I mean, I think it's a good thing. I mean, that's true. And let me just say, like we initially started talking about the young man with UConn and the money that Connecticut made and, you know, the young man's hungry. Well, that's more of an indictment on the NCAA opposed to the college. But consequently, because of all these issues and rules that the NCAA has created, you do put these young men and young women, you know, in situations where it's difficult. So, um, coping skills, you know, that's another thing, you know, if I'm working with a gentleman and maybe he's depressed because, you know, his mother hasn't been able to get to see him play in two years. Right. You know, so let's talk about that. You know, how do we deal with that? You know, number one, it doesn't make the situation any better for him to go into a grave depression. It doesn't make the situation any better to resort to substances. So, again, we're just talking about coping skills. Um, based on the given rules. I mean, I can't, I don't have the magic wand to make everybody at the game come to the game that you want at the game. But we can talk about how that feels, not having people at the game and how to deal with that situation. Right. That makes sense. That makes sense. You know, uh, go ahead, Bob. Go ahead, Bob. Uh, wouldn't it be easy and simple enough for the team, the league, or the NCAA, uh, to fund something nominally? I mean, uh, because they've got boosters, they've got advertisers, they've got people with big bucks up and down the line, and, uh, uh, as well as sports equipment makers. And these guys are, I mean, the industries have grown into the billions now. And they started, they are top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top top some stipend or something. I mean, we can bring things up. The standard could definitely be a lot better. Yeah, there's no question about that. Bob, I really appreciate your call. Thanks for calling in. And, you know, we've got another about 30 minutes on the show. You know, stay tuned. Thank you so much. And it was nice to hear Mr. Few again. Thank you. Very good. Very good. So what we're going to do, you guys, that was a great call. And, again, our phone number is 1-800-893-9562. That number is 1-800-893-9562. If you have a call for our special guest Herman Few or myself or Clarence, let us know. Give us a call, and we will be glad to talk to you. In the meantime, we're going to take a very, very short commercial break, and when we come back, we'll have a little bit more small talk here on. psychology and as it relates to basketball. Here we go, Scott. This is Coach Miller, excited to tell you about the Student Athlete Lab. This is an NCAA-approved recruiting service. I'll tell you what. 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Talking informative conversations. Listen to the real. Tuesday and Friday at night from 10 to 12. A live show. Tune in and listen well. Special guests and take audience calls as well. Hey, your phone ringing. Oh. Hey. Your phone ringing. Hey, we're back to this, Herman. Hey, your phone ringing. Uh-oh. Hey, your phone ringing. Okay, so our phone needs to be ringing. 1-800-893-9562. 1-800-893-9562. And give us a call. I've got Herman Few on. This is my special guest tonight. This is Time Out with Coach Miller. And we've enjoyed the show very much so far. Again, special shout out to Joel Gonzalez. Out of Burbank, if you're listening tonight, Joel. One of our loyal, loyal listeners. And we've been talking a little bit about what it means to be an athletic career development specialist. So, Herman, what, you've been doing this for how long, specifically? About 10 years. Okay. And how many clients do you work with normally at one time? You know, it varies, but you don't want to get too many people at a time because it can be kind of intensive. So, you know, I don't like to go over anywhere between 5 to 10. Okay. That's a good number. You can still give enough individualized attention. Exactly. That way. I mean, the way I would look at it would be if you had, you know, say, 8 or 9 clients, probably you have about an hour a day to devote to each one of them. Mm-hmm. You know, that's how I see it. That's about right. And whether that's on the phone, in person, or, you know, doing some research for them that maybe you're not talking to them that day, but maybe you're spending an hour on something for them that you will talk to them about the next day. Absolutely. So, I liked when you were telling Clarence about when we were doing our role play and you were telling them about communication. I'd like you guys to talk a little bit more about that. Clarence, when you hear the concept of communication, what does that mean? What does that mean to you? I'm going to put you on the spot. We're going to have you kind of define in your mind what communication means. Then we're going to go over to our future Dr. Fu, who's right now not yet a doctor but studying for his PsyD degree. And we'll get his take on it. So, Clarence, tell me, what does it mean, communication? What does that mean to you? Communication. Communication. It means? Communication gets you very far. Non-communication, which you taught me when you was telling me non-communicating with somebody, doesn't get you very far. If you want something and you're not communicating with the person that can help you succeed in that state, in that point, and you really want it but you're not communicating, you're not going to get it. But the more communication you get, the farther you succeed in that goal you will get. The farther you get, the farther you get. Yeah, I get what you're saying. I think, actually, it's an interesting point, Herman, because he's talking about the communication. And then he actually went into the lack of communication. So, when you're not communicating, you're not really getting anywhere. There's no traction, right? Okay, and you're missing out. You're missing out is what I'm hearing him say. You're missing out on opportunities when you're not communicating. Okay. I'm going to give an example, what I'm getting from what Clarence says, and I'm going to have you kind of address that and kind of drill down on it and get more into depth on it. But here's how I kind of see it a little bit. If I wanted to, let's just say, spend an extra hour in the gym shooting the ball, and I think that in my mind, but I don't communicate that to any of the coaches or anyone, you know, a coach preferably. But if I wanted to, I would say, I'm going to spend an extra hour in the gym shooting the ball. Even if the coach wasn't there, maybe there was someone that had keys to the gym, an athletic director, a janitor, you name it. I want to spend an extra hour a day shooting, but I don't communicate that. So, that's the lack of communication. Yep, lack. Right? Lack of communication. I'm not going to get to spend that extra time shooting. Therefore, I'm not going to improve my shot. Therefore, I'm not going to improve my game. Therefore, I'm not going to be the best player I can be. All because I didn't communicate. That's my example based on what Clarence said. Now, you, Herman, you spent a lot of time, and earlier in the show, you talked about the importance of communication and helping the student-athlete communicate better. Now, what do you have to say about Clarence's viewpoint of, and almost his definition of communication? I mean, let's have you drill down. You're the expert here. Well, he's correct. Lack of communication means you miss out on opportunities, but that's only a piece of it because there's lack of communication and there's also a side of being successful or positive communicating. And a lot of times, guys, they know when they're not communicating and that's pretty much. I'm not saying that they're not communicating. I'm not saying that they're not communicating. But there's times when they are communicating, but they don't realize it's not positive communication. Okay. You know, and that's the part that I make them aware of, and that's the part that we fine-tune. Because, as I said, you know when you're not talking, and it's like, well, maybe I should talk, and if I talk, maybe I can get this. But oftentimes, guys are talking, but they're not talking the right way. And that's what I like to focus on. Okay. Now, you said sometimes they're communicating, but they're not aware they're communicating, and they're not communicating in the right way through a negative type of vibe. When you say that, are you referring more to body language, or what are you referring to, man? Well, body language is part of it, but you get negative communication when you're making assumptions. When you're not speaking to somebody and you're not open. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. And if I'm a player, and I've already assumed that the coach has taken this position, well, I'm not in position to really hear what he's got to tell me. And if I can't hear what he's got to tell me, then I can't make the correction to put myself in a better situation or just overall better myself. So that's the big piece of the communication part. Yeah, I like that a lot. Now, Clarence, can you give an example, perhaps, in your own way, life. You know, you don't have to get too personal, but you know, it doesn't have to be your own life. But can you give an example of what, of what Herman's trying to say right there with the negative communication? Have you ever experienced that, seen it, been involved with it yourself? Negative communication that is, that maybe you're not aware at the time that you're sending out. Do you know what he's talking about when he says that? I've seen a lot of people, like people tell me like they, somebody will say something and they will just like speak their, whatever comes to their mind first. And then they think the person that's saying it think it's like not a bad thing, but the other person think it's like come out of their mouth, it feels like it's negative vibe and it gets to a point to where it's like. Really bad and they, their feelings start getting hurt. So I heard it, but I never like actually like did it in personal. Okay. Give Herman, give an example of what you're talking about. Negative communication. Give a kind of a scenario. Well, I think one of the first examples I was giving was you call yourself talking to the coach or even to a teammate. And you've already made up in your mind what their position is. Okay. So on one hand you say, well, I'm communicating, I'm trying to better myself or I'm trying to learn, but you're not really giving yourself an opportunity to do that because you've already made up your mind. So it really don't matter what they say. You're not sincerely listening. That's a form of negative communication. I'm thinking right off hand. I mean, I mean, pouting is one. That comes to mind. Well, yeah. Like that. It's a negative. It's not even with your mouth, but like, do you ever, have you ever seen a player Clarence or maybe you've experienced it where maybe the game isn't going your way or a practice isn't going your way. And instead of saying something, you just pout. I see. Or you've seen a player pout. You see him act like a baby. I did it before. And I seen it. Oh, so you've done it and you've seen it. Yeah. I seen to where, well, mine, I be in the game and I haven't did anything wrong. And then like I've been in game for like two minutes or like four minutes, whatever. I get rebounds, get assists, maybe a couple of points and he takes me out. And I'm thinking I did something wrong. So but then I think about what did I do for them for two minutes? And it's really nothing. So my body language is like, man, and I shrug my shoulders and like, just do a little hissy fit, then go to the end of the bench and the coach wants to talk to me. And he just tells me either, oh, I needed some offensive skill people in the game, or I just needed to see how this kid plays. And me, I think that I can do everything like I can do defense, I can do offense. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. It's just me standing in the game. I can do everything. I can do defense. I can do offense. Mm hmm. Standing in the game and getting comfortable on the court. And I just could do whatever the coach asked me to. Now, that that makes sense. And you're probably wondering why did he take me out? My my first comment there, and I'm going to turn this over to you, Herman, in a minute. But my first comment is this. I don't think the coach should have to go down, Clarence, to the end of the bench and explain why he took the player out to the player every time he take the player out. I don't think he should have to. I think that's distracting for the coach. I think the coach, if he's doing that every time he takes the player out and have to go down and tell him what you just said, you gave an example. Well, I wanted to get a more of an offensive player in or I wanted you said or I wanted to get a, you know, see what someone else could do. I don't feel like the coach should have to go down and make that explanation. You know what I'm saying? I feel like how do you feel about that? No, you're absolutely correct. And I mean, I think that was a tremendous point because so many players, you know, they're not going to be able to play. They're not going to be able to play. They're not going to be able to play. They're not going to be able to play. They're not going to be able to play. And so many players are guilty of that. I don't know exactly what the issues were, but I know what was the game one of the Clipper Thunder situation. Russell Westbrook. Introducing new jump. Go ahead. Russell Westbrook was in the huddle and apparently something was said. And the next thing you know, you see the TV camera. He's sitting at the end of the bench pouting. But that is something. It's interesting you say that because that is something that I try to work with players on. And I agree with you 100 percent, coach. A coach. Shouldn't have to deal with that. Doesn't have time to deal with that. A coach has got a whole lot of things going on in his mind. He's thinking a substitution pattern. He's thinking offense, defense. Right. So you're right. So I know being a former coach and talking to enough coaches, they would love to have a player. And when we talk about being a coachable player, you're a type of coachable player is a guy that can come out the game. And the coach doesn't have to stop what he's doing, break his train of thought to calm you down because you're having a hissy fit. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. In that situation, you're assuming that you were taken out of the game because you did anything wrong. And again, you didn't. It was it was a situation coach had strategy that he was trying to implement. So you're right, coach. A coach shouldn't have to do that. I don't think that's right. Now, that said, my comment now, and I appreciate Clarence's perspective because he was first very honest and he gave his own anecdotal story of his own. of what's happened to him. He played good for two to four minutes. Coach took him out the game. He didn't do anything wrong, which I believe. I've seen Clarence play. And I believe that, let's say that's the case. And, you know, maybe not in every case, but in the case that Clarence is sharing with us now. And he's honest because, Clarence, you said, well, then you pouted. You were honest. You pouted. And, but that's a little form of selfishness when you're doing the pouting because basically what you're saying without saying it verbally is, this isn't about the team. It's about me. Okay. It's about me. It's only about me. Now, you are a human being and emotional like we all are. And you have a right to want to play. See, I believe he has a right to want to play. Every minute. Right. But I think that we got to draw the line and not when he starts to pout and he starts to become a distraction, we got to draw the line. Definitely. You shouldn't be a distraction. And then here's my final point on this, which I think is an interesting point. I'd like your take on this, Herman. Here's what I would say. Clarence, you didn't pout when the coach puts you into the game. Did you? And then he'll answer. And I'll say, well, then why are you pouting when he take you out of the game? And the one I like even better is when the coach puts you in the game, you didn't say, why did you put me in the game, coach? But then when you take a player out of the game, oftentimes, sometimes, Clarence, a player, maybe he won't pout. Maybe he'll say, why did you take me out of the game, coach? Again, I don't think the coach should have to explain that right then and there. Right. I think the game's going fast. And the coach has an obligation not only to Clarence, but to every other player to try to win the game. Right. Well, I'm going to tell you, as a player, as you go up the ladder and you don't understand what you're saying, coach, you'll soon find out you may not have an opportunity to play because coaches are going to be less likely to even feel that they're going to even address that behavior. Right. I agree. I agree. So what would you tell Clarence to help him so our listeners can say, hey, you know what? Herman Fuse got some good ideas. What would you tell Clarence to help him so that he would feel, maybe he wouldn't feel as bad or as angry? Well, let me ask, when that happens to you, are you angry when you're pouting? Are you mad? Are you sad? What is your main feeling? There's probably more than one, but what's the main feeling when that happens? And you gave us that example. I mean, I'm not mad at the coach or myself. I'm really not sad. I'm just like, I just think that either, like sometimes he takes me out early, I'd be cool with it. But when I'm doing good and they take me out, I just feel like I should at least, like at least get credit for what I'm doing. And then if he wants to put the guy in, he can. Like just like, hit me back in soon as like the quarter goes away. And then I get back in and until I do something wrong. Okay. I don't feel sad or down or anything. I just like this thing to myself. Like when I get back in, I have to either either do better. So he won't think about hitting me out because he could have put anybody out instead for me. So I would just think, what can I do better for? He won't even have my, have my name in his mind. Still. Take me out. Take you out. Yeah. That makes sense. Herman, what, what, what, what would you tell Clarence as a coping skill or a strategy to deal with when this happens? He plays two minutes or four minutes. Really good. No mistakes. He take him out and he's so down and he's pouting. What would you help him to understand? Right. Well, first of all, you, you know, you asked him his emotions and his feelings on that situation. It's been my experience. The player is pouting because they're disappointed, you know, to a certain degree. Their feelings are hurt. I mean, and let's look at it. You're a competitor. You got your opportunity. You get out there and you do really well. Okay. So I can understand. And you, you hit the, you hit it right on the head. It's coping skills. So the answer to your question is, um, number one, I think that the player has to understand because you're removed from the game is not necessarily because you did anything wrong. You're not being penalized. Um, on what we would look at and talk about is from a team. Team perspective. Um, it's, it's, it's not just you and what you do. And from a coach's perspective, a coach has to look at a lot of different things. So, um, and in a lot of instances, when you see your player do that, that ain't the first time and it won't be the first time. Um, it's typically as a habit. So that's something that we could work on coping skills. So basically when you come to the bench, it's, you gotta change what's going on in your mind. You know, you're thinking, um, you know, I think. I disappointed somebody. I disappointed the coach, um, my fans or whatever, even myself. And somehow some way you got to change your thought process. You know, it's such thing as positive self-talk, negative self-talk. Um, a lot of negative soft talk. I would imagine is going on in your mind at that particular time, but you can, but we can look, but you can change it. You know, you can, you can focus on what you did do. You know, the greatness that you did. The rebounds. The assists or the block, whatever you did. And then you want to dwell on that instead of, well, perhaps I did something wrong or perhaps this is not fair. Why am I being yanked? Um, I mean, I could understand because being a former player, you want minutes. That, I mean, we put it out there because we want minutes. Um, but a coach can't always wait to, you know, a timeout per se, or wait till the end of the quarter. Coach is going to make a move strategically when they feel like they need to make a move. And I think we should try. I think we should try to get a coach that benefited a doubt, um, just for the betterment of the team that works. And I think individually for the betterment of your career, because when coaches see you as that type of a player, as you go up the ladder, they'll, they'll spread that to the next level, to the next coach. This is the kind of player he is because he's what coachable, you know, he's not a problem player. So many of these guys are problem players. And unless you're got super ability. The problem player, a lot of times will kill your career. Yeah, I agree. So Clarence, how have you tried to deal with the problem when that happens to you in the past? When, when, when you come out and a short two to four minutes and you're, you're upset and you're pouting. I mean, how, how have you found any kind of way to deal with this? I mean, now I just stay positive. I've been this whole season. I've just been trying to stay positive. Like people anywhere, even in life, I've just been staying positive. Even it don't matter how I've been coaches taking me out or I feel like I should be starting. And sometimes I'll say something, but it's only if I feel like it's the right moment to say something. Okay. So if he takes me out, I just keep positive and be like. Oh, I'm about to get back in. When I get back in the second quarter, I'm just going to try my best. And if you don't like it, then, Hey, if people have different aspects in mindsets of different things. So maybe this is not the right place for me to be. Either I can leave or I can stay. Herman, any thoughts on that? Well, definitely, you know, positive. And like I spoke about positive self-talk, nothing, I'm not going to say nothing, but most things. Of greatness or success occur when you're in a positive state of mind, you know, and that's, and that's a habit. You know how you, some people, and I'm sure you've been around players and friends. Some people are just negative. No matter what's going on. It's not cool. The weather's bad. Everything is bad. And then you get around some other people that very suddenly you hear them say negative stuff, you know? So it's a twofold. It's a twofold situation. When you're positive, you're going to perform better and people are going to like to be around you better. Your teammates, your coaches, the whole kit and caboodle. Is it possible to reprogram your thoughts to become positive if you're a negative person? Is that possible? Very possible. It takes work. You know, you've, you got to acknowledge that you need to make a change. And once you acknowledge you want to make a change, yeah, you can get it done, but you got to do work. Because the negative, the negative stuff is a habit. It's a habit. Right. That makes a lot of sense. Now, Clarence, you said yes too. Why did you say yes? I say yes because I was one of the negative people at a point. And I realized negative doesn't get you anywhere, but negative acts things in your life. Like once you're a negative person, it's all negative. You might have that one positive thing that happened, but it's not going to be that huge, big positive that you expect. You might not even see the positive thing that happened. It might just happen. And it go right through. Okay. So me, I tried to stay positive. And this season I stayed positive. And I started like in the middle of the season when I played Culver City again. We lost at Culver City. I started. We beat Culver City. I started Englewood. After we lost, we beat Englewood. And ever since then, I guess the coach either seen something or just had faith in me or something. I just been being positive in everything that's been happening to me, been positive. So Herman, having a positive attitude is really important, right? I mean, for success. Very important. I would say even basketball in particular is a type of game where when you feel good emotionally, you even perform better. I mean, now there are certain exceptions, but when you're feeling good, it's been my experience. Your jump shot's going to be better. Your free throws are going to be better. But if you're all messed up in your mind and you're thinking negative thoughts, you're not going to be as accurate on your shots. You know. So, yeah, definitely. And just we know scientifically speaking too, we know our bodies athletically respond better when we're in a positive state of mind. That's a very interesting point. Yeah, that's a good fact. Okay, we're not done with the show, but we're getting close to closeout time. Scott, run a quick commercial. We'll break and we come back. We'll have our very last segment with Herman Few and Clarence Jackson. Oh, we have a problem in the studio, in the sound room? Scott, do you have a commercial? Yeah, hold on. It's just, no, there's no problem. I'm trying to get your commercials to play. Okay. Well, we got a problem with the soundboard then. Okay, let me see if I can do, I'll do a commercial for Las Vegas. We're going to give daddy the Rain Man suite. You dig that? We're going to Vegas, Mike. Vegas! You think we'll get there by midnight? Money, we're going to be up 500 by midnight. Vegas! Vegas, baby! Vegas! Okay, I ran a little Vegas commercial. I'm going to go to Vegas pretty soon. Going to Vegas next month, Herman. Just going to get a little R&R. Sounds good. Yeah, I need a little bit. A little, you know, lie by the pool time. And, you know, read a book. And, you know, I like to read. Do you read a lot, Herman? Read all the time. Yeah, love to read. What kind of stuff do you read? I read a lot of... Self-help stuff? Self-help stuff, motivational stuff, psychology stuff. I read a lot of stuff on sport and society. Nice. You know... That sounds like kind of the William Roden's thing. Sport and society. Yeah. Yeah. I know you like him. I do. Good writer. I do. Good writer. Clarence, are you reading at all? Do you read? At first, I used to hate reading. I'm not even going to lie. I used to hate it. And to my dad, like, he used... I guess he gets these newspapers with these... It's like a little story about... It's like a little comedy story about sports or something. And he told me to read it before. And it was... I liked it. So, ever since then, I've been having, like, getting books about sports. And just reading about sports. Nice. So, if it's not about sports, I'm really not interested. But I'll probably read it if it's, like, good news or something. Yeah. Well, that's good to know. I mean, you know, I think, Herman, I mean, I know most of what I read when I was young was sports-related because I was interested in it. See, here's the real reality. How I interpret what Clarence just said is that Clarence wants to be interested in something to read it. He's interested in sports. He loves sports. He loves sports. Now, I'll bet you Clarence would be interested in a book about making money. Because he'd probably like to make money. Okay? Or maybe a book about how to concentrate better when you're playing basketball or football. Now, that may not be... That's more of a psychology book. But that may not be like, oh, it's a book about Joe Montana or Jerry Rice. No. No. But it's still, I'll bet you, something that he would find interesting. I think when we find something interesting, we will read about it. Definitely. Clarence spoke about he used to hate to read. 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It might get a little hectic from the stuff we discuss. Okay, we're back. Welcome back to live. Live radio and TV on the internet. This is Time Out with Coach Miller. Thank you for tuning in. We're going to close out our show here in a minute. We've got... I just wanted to run this by my guest Herman Few and Clarence Jackson who's helping me tonight. And Clarence is back. Clarence has been paying his dues, Herman. Been helping out in the green room, managing our guests, getting people up and down the elevators. And, you know, he stepped up tonight. Proud of him. Good step up tonight, Clarence. And honest, real honest. You've been real honest on the show. Real honest tonight too about yourself. Now, we talked about pouting during a game. Let's talk about pouting during practice. That happens too, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Clarence, you pout during practice? No, I never pout during practice. What do you do when you're feeling bad or mad in practice? Do you not practice as good? Do you... No, I just stick to myself. I don't... I just... People ask me. I show it to my face, but I don't, like, go off on people. I just be quiet through the whole practice and just do what I'm supposed to do. I don't laugh and play around. Gotcha. Okay. So that's that. We're talking about that's kind of nonverbal communication, that he's not laughing, he's not playing around. That's still a communication, right, Herman? Right. What is that saying? Well, you know, you put yourself out there where it can be viewed as you're a malcontent, you know. You know, players have to understand that athletics is a process and, you know, you don't go to sleep one day and wake up the next day being the player you want to be. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. I try to get them to buy into the process, and particularly in practice. You know, you're going to, you need to look at every moment as, you know, am I getting closer to my goal opposed to, okay, well, you know, I'm not happy about this. Maybe I didn't get the, you know, attention or the opportunity. But you got to look at the big picture. You know, that's a great point. I love that comment that athletics is a process. Yes, because it really is. I say it like this, Clarence, when I teach young coaches how to coach, and I always give this little analogy about recruiting. Getting worn out here, you guys. I'm glad we're getting close to the end. I always say this, Clarence. I say recruiting is like shaving. You have to do it a little bit every day, and that means it's a process. Same thing that Herman just said. So, you know, to wrap it up, I think we've learned a lot tonight in the show. If you were listening and, you know, you heard some of the coping skills that Herman Few gave, I think great stuff. 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