Hi. Hi. So we just finished having this discussion about how certain, well, because no, because mistress made this assumption about someone being gay. I didn't make an assumption. I heard him say he had a boyfriend. So I'm like, okay, boyfriend, where am I from? You know, that's awesome. No, but no, but see, no, but see, he very clearly said that there was never any discussion about him having a boyfriend. And so there's that. You have selective, you have selective hearing. So let me just, just to summarize what just happened in the last 30 seconds. You took the beginning of the show to talk about how I was wrong. Is that what you just did? No. Is that what you just did? No. No. No. A little happy dance? A little subby? I'm right, you're wrong, mistress. Is that what just happened? No. Pretty sure. Pretty sure that's just what happened. Which we'll discuss later. But in the interim. Oh, bitch. Anyways. So in the, yes, in the interim, we have the most interesting villain. Villain. And I say this with such, because man, goddammit, every single time that's hashtagged, it's like, yes. There's never one where I'm like, no, no, no, that makes no sense. Of course. Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, it just, it would happen. So that's, yeah. Yeah. All right. It absolutely rocks my world that you know the hashtag and follow it, because I figured nobody's paying attention. I pay attention. I don't pay attention. Yes. So we've got a pro villain. Or Tim. We can call him Tim. We can call him Tim. Tim Woodman, professional villain at large. I'm curious how one becomes a professional villain. Well, it's, it's a long and boring story, but I'll try and make it interesting. Please. I'm curious how one becomes a professional villain. I'm curious how one becomes a professional villain. Well, it's, it's a long and boring story, but I'll try and make it interesting. Please. Who are the listeners? The funny part, back before I was a professional freak or even all that freaky at all, I used to run the lighting crew for the Rocky Horror Picture Show in South Pasadena. Well, that just automatically makes you cooler. That's the only thing that made me cool at the time. Other than that, I was an unemployed musician in long hair metal bands, and that's not cool because we were a dime a dozen in the 90s. Yeah. But unbeknownst to me, the girl who played Magenta in our crew, and this is one of the oldest crews in Southern California, she was one of the top bondage models of her time, and is still a very popular adult model today, Darla Crane. Wow. I don't know how the hell that was at the time. I just thought, wow, gorgeous redhead, big boobs, what's there to know? And I introduced them, the cast, to my new girlfriend at the time, and they said, oh, she's really cute. Could we tie her up in a video? And I went, sure, what happens? And we came over to their house for dinner. They were very nice, and they showed us what a video, at the time you couldn't do sex and bondage. You couldn't do the other. And the company they were shooting for, you couldn't even do full nude. It was topless only. Oh, wow. So very safe, very tame, gateway drug, you know, intro. And we did it, and she loved it, and went on to become a bondage and fetish star in her own right, and I was her primary rigger. I was Desi to her Lucy. For like six years, she was a very, very successful fetish model, and then she retired to go back to school and become the badass person she is today. But I had this marketable skill, and unbeknownst to me, people will pay you for that. So, I started tying people up for a living. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's cool. And I was like, what am I really? I'm not a dom per se. I'm not a top necessarily. I'm a bad guy. You're a rigger. I'm a professional bad guy. He catches the girls and holds them for me. I'm a villain. And somewhere in there, it's just, that's who I am. I'm a professional villain, and it stuck. That works. Oh, yeah. I bought provillain.com, and it's been rather successful for me. That's awesome. Good for you. Thank you. You're also a sex educator. That's really one of your primary motives. Yes. Yes. When my sweetie went back to school, she got her... I don't know. I never get this right. She got her master's, her bachelor's in psych, and then her master's in interdisciplinary studies including sociology, anthropology, and a couple other things with a bent towards studying and teaching about human sexuality. And we both have a lot of experience in that. That sounds really sexy. And she founded the Center for Positive Sexuality, which is her company that she runs, a nonprofit. And we teach about all aspects of mostly marginalized sexuality, so gays and transgenders and SM people. And subcultures. And puppies and furries and whatnot. All the subcultures. Yes. Too freaky for the weirdos. And we teach about that. Well, what does that say about us? Those are too freaky for the weirdos. I know. You can accept the freaks of the freaks. Well, they're the most interesting ones. We play in the margins and piss off our English professors. Very. Awesome. I love that. And I would love to have her on in the future. Oh, count on it. She'll be here. That's fantastic. She'll be here. But what we really want to talk about is... I'm going to ask you a question. I'm going to ask you a question. Okay. What do you want to talk about? The fun stuff. Oh. See, bondage, as I said, is a gateway drug. And almost everybody who starts in bondage is like, I'm just going to do bondage. I just... Bondage purists, I think girls look pretty tied up and they're fooling themselves. And they're like, I'm safe here over in the shallow end and you guys are freaks and I'm normal. And a little while later, like, dude, you have rape fantasies. You're just not admitting it is all. And all you tickle guys that all you want to do is tickle girls. There is nothing more nonconsensual than forcing someone to giggle and react like that when they're trying not to be tickled. That's a lot of people's hard limits. It's full on rape. Yeah. I can't tickle my sweetie. She's like that. You can't do that. You can rape me. You can murder me. You cannot tickle me. Rape me and murder me. Well, I murder her like two or three times a night on the weekends sometimes. We're into that stuff. That's a weekend. We're into that stuff. And we enjoy it. Villain's life. I have to. Villain's life. Hell yeah. Man. So yeah, I ended up going from that. Okay, now we're learning about whipping and whapping and whatnot and spanking and flogging and hot wax and electricity. And then somewhere in there, I was like, you know what I really love? The core of all this to me is the rape fantasy. It's the ultimate power dynamic. It's the ultimate giving and taking. Within role play, it's like the farthest extreme of the SM relationship or the DS relationship. Let's strip away all the pretense. Here's where it is. And I found a lot of people seem to share that fantasy. So it makes me some money. For you, I mean, obviously you enjoy the power of it, that drunk high you kind of get from being in control. But you, it's consensual non-consent. Yes. So how do you and your clearly well-educated sweetie, you know, how did you approach this concept of consensual non-consent? Very carefully. Very, very carefully indeed. You'd be hard pressed in American culture. I think it's like two out of three women. You'd be hard pressed to find one who hasn't been at least sexually assaulted, if not raped. True. It's a huge number of people. So there's a lot of hot button issues and a lot of repressed memories or undealt with memories or whatever. And a lot of, all the safety you normally have to do in an SM scene as far as having safe words and checking in with each other and establishing trust and limits times a billion when you're doing rape role play. But it's the same stuff. It's the same protocol that you would do there too. And so we did. We said, we're going to, and this may not work. We may end up, you know, just cuddling and watching Disney movies for the rest of the night, but we're going to give this a try. I'm going to rape you with Finding Nemo. And I've actually, I've actually talked to a lot of women who have found rape fans. He role play to be intensely therapeutic and healing for them because it is consensual non-consent and they have the power to stop it at any time. And in this way they've been able to reclaim their own sexuality. I've got some of the sweetest fan mail that way. That's just blown my world. That's powerful. To think how many women are getting healthy because of my porn. Well there is a, there is a therapeutic treatment, trauma therapy where in post-traumatic stress situations, which obviously sexual assault would definitely fall into that. Hell yeah. It can be effective. Now it can also be disastrous. Yes it can. Yes it can. So of course you have to be careful. But I teach a whole rape role play class and like an idiot, I forgot the date of the next one. I think it's somewhere in October. It's on FetLife. If you look for rape role play in October, you'll find it. In the Los Angeles area. I teach it every now and then, every here and there, a couple of months. And it's very popular and, and it's, it's equal gender opportunity. I am not here to suggest that only men can do the raping. Hell no. Don't take away my fun. Hey yeah. There doesn't even need to be penetration. There's no penetration, but even if there is, you know, strap one on and have fun. So what are the, what are some of the first things that you tell people that have this, like they're really interested, but they're, they have a healthy amount of fear. How do you talk to them about getting into this rape fantasy concept? At least for me, I found again, the same issue is it's all the same things that we kind of know and love in the BDSM world is that you don't go from zero to 60 in one. You're talking to the wrong audience. Swoop. You can't do it all now. Yeah. I can't start suspending people when I buy my first thing of rope. Two people that don't know what they're doing. That can be a problem. One person who doesn't know what they're doing and someone else who really does, you can get a lot further of course. But in general, take baby steps. You know, you don't, it doesn't have to be full on with the guns and knives and zip ties on a railroad track or a bus station somewhere. It could just be in the bedroom. It could just be a little bit of hold each other down, you know, a little bit of hair pulling a little bit of wind. Fun. A mythical Mustang. A mustache like a villain. Yeah, she's twirling her mustache over here. It's really awesome. Because I really, because when I think about like visiting Subgirl, I feel like Tim would be there and he would be doing that maniacal laugh. I should be there. She flirts with me online a lot. I really, I've met her once or twice. He can come to our Kinkapalooza. We will be having a Kinkapalooza. Well, yeah, we can. I've been invited to the Kinkapalooza. I'm aware of this thing. Then this is going to happen. Then this is going to happen. I'll be there. I'll bring her open weapons. Fantastic. We love all of these things. You hear that, Subgirl? I'll snarl with laughter. It sounds to me like your particular rape play goes really, really far, which is not a bad thing, but can we talk about kind of the levels like when just general rape play. So, let me, did you ever see the movie Crimes of Passion? You know, I haven't. I never saw Crimes of Passion. So, Crimes of Passion, just shut up everybody because I'm old and so it's an old movie and fuck you. I at least know of it. It was a movie in like the 80s, 90s, Kathleen Turner or something. So, she's a prostitute in this movie. And somebody, a man pays her because he has a fantasy of being able to rape somebody. So he wants to rape the prostitute. And there's this whole, she walks into this darkened room, hello, and then this man comes out of nowhere and his clothes aren't even off and he just tears something off and he rapes her. And it's really kind of a benign scene if you think about it, but it's one of those, okay, this is a quote unquote mainstreamish movie, edgy but mainstreamish, and it had this in there. I mean, rape fantasies are fairly prevalent in if people are willing to be honest with some of their deeper desires. It is the second most popular fantasy among women in the new world or in civilized Europe. There you go. Civilized, that's the wrong way to say that, but you know what I mean. Within our culture, and my sweetie's done the research and can tell you that for sure. Other than gang bang, it is the most popular fantasy among women polled. I'm such an atypical female. Right? That just sounds painful. Oh, by the way, everybody, I'm sitting next to a penis. Everyone should know I'm sitting next to- It's zipped up and safely in its trousers. It's a big deal. It's a big deal. Normally the penis seats over there. Not because it's assigned. She said I could sit wherever. That's true. And not because it's assigned, but this is just because it's right next to me. Right next to you. A professional one. You can see pictures of it. It's a professional penis. Oh my God. But a professional penis I think has a better chance of being pink and sparkly than a non-professional penis because let's be honest, I want a professional penis to give me a show. Well, it's been sparkly, but only because of the places where I've put it. There it is. My seventh is my rape role play class. Oh look, there's my real name. You could totally help me. You also have a knife play class coming up too. Yeah, it's in less than a week now. It's going to be next Saturday. At the Lair. And Sub Girl's going to be there or else I'm tracking her down. Oh, she's going to be there. She was talking about it. Yeah, no, she sounds really excited about it. This is actually a first for me. I've never taught a knife play class before. I have a lot of knowledge and experience there. And then somebody during one of my rope classes was like, how do I make my rope not sharp? If I want to dull it down? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I was down for, you know, rape play or whatever. I'm like, you know, I should give a class about that, shouldn't I? Because I know a lot about knives. And right now, nobody's doing that much. I mean, there's people I could point you to, but they're not teaching them right now either. So I'm like, fuck it, I'll do it. Well, and I think that, you know, edge play is very popular, especially to those that are experienced BDSM practitioners. Because you grow and then you kind of hit a wall and you're like, I want more. I need to push the envelope further and further and further. which I imagine is where you've gone, which is why you use knives and rusty blades in your fear and all of that when you have your rape play. I mean, if you could just kind of, for the listeners, kind of walk through what just a basic rape scene would be for you. Well, for me personally, off camera is different than my on-camera answer, but I'll give you both. I will like both. Because you'd mentioned, yeah, on camera I tend to go extreme or at least a lot more theatrical because I can and because people want to pay for it. Histrionic. For example. It's my new favorite word, by the way. And I like being over the top and getting to do that with fake blood and strange scenery and tearing clothes to shreds. And if you're into tearing clothes to shreds, which I totally am, go to the thrift store. Yes. For $5, for $2, you can find awesome silk blouses with small stains on them and you can tear them up and only have spent a couple of dollars. And that is one of the sexiest noises in the world. See? Ripping silk. Brugal kinksters. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Anyway, I digress. In my private life, it's not always, you know, 100,000 miles an hour. Sometimes, one of the sexiest things to me is that whimper. That slight whimper of fear. We can be having plain old vanilla sex, although it's never just plain old vanilla sex. It's like rockin' French vanilla sex. And she can, like, put a hand on my chest and push and whimper just a little noise. Slight fear and it'll drive me bananas. So sometimes it's not even rape role play so much as we're both imagining the same thing, during what would physically look like regular sex. Little bit of hair pulling, little bit of pushing down and you're doing a rape role play. You know? Other times, I'll grab a knife that, either a sharp one or a dull one, depending on where we're going. If it's rape play, I'll usually use a dull knife in case she's struggling and I don't want to put out an eye or some shit like that. And then, you know, force her with that. I might dress up like a burglar or something like that. She loves pirates. I've been Johnny Depp in her imagination an awful lot that I never knew about. That's great. I'm fine with that. She's been Angelina Jolie for me more than once, too. So I think I actually like Angelina Jolie because she looks like my sweetie and not the other way around. She's got that same giant bottom lip that just you want to bite it. Oh, God. Anyway, I digress again. But yeah, so sometimes rape role play is just the mood you're in. It's like lighting a candle. All of a sudden, the room's different. You know, it doesn't have to be anything ridiculously extreme, but it can be. It can be. in a hotel room and she's tied up the whole time and getting violated over and over again. Nothing wrong with that either. I'm pretty sure that most of the people that listen to us just got wet. I hope so. You did right now? Really? Kind of part of my job. Don't do that. You do that with the hands. And this is the radio show. I know, but it's because... Nobody knows what you're doing. Because it's a special message only meant for you. But I can't see it because it's behind the fucking screen. But you can see my face. I don't have the fucking monitor in front of you and I can't goddamn see it. But you can see the expression on my face. You know what? It's only because I know you that I know exactly what you fucking do with the goddamn camera. Exactly. Exactly. Because that's what people do in relationships. They know what that means. I need a little jar of pinto beans to have with me at all times. Dry ones. So I can just throw them at you and you do shit that irritates me. Pinto beans. Pinto beans as a disciplinary tool. Pinto beans as a disciplinary tool. I like it. I can't do a spray bottle because there's all this electronics in here. I did though. I sprayed it with a spray bottle the other day. Oh, you were talking about getting into this stuff. And I wanted to do one other plug just because they're cool people. If you get onto your nifty computer and open a different screen so you can still hear us and go to RavishU, the letter U. RavishU.com You'll find a really, really It's just a plain old discussion board but it's all about rape role play. And they're really awesome people. They're friends of mine. How great. Just the letter U. Ravish. As in like Ravish University. Uh-huh. In fact, it might be RavishUniversity.com No, there it is. It's a discussion. It's a discussion board. And you can find links there to scenes from mainstream movies with, I'm sure, the one you mentioned. Crimes of Passion. Thank you. It's probably on there if you just want to download that bit. I sometimes just get on these boards to monitor and see who's stealing my stuff. But honestly, these people are really cool people and they don't steal my stuff. And I appreciate that. And so I'll chat with them and stuff. It's a really cool board. The lady that runs it is named Lois and I met her. She's a very cool lady. Awesome. So go to RavishU.com and then from the safety of your own home you can talk with fellow rape enthusiasts. You can do, you know, chat room role play online where you're safe. And if it freaks you out, you can turn off the computer and they'll never reach you. I mean, that's really great. It's a great way to start. Yeah, I mean, and research and even probably bounce ideas off of other people. And chat with me. And you can chat with Tim. I'm in there a lot. I check all the time. And we can find out and hunt you down and then faux rebuke you if you try to steal his shit. But you'll have to pay me. But you'll have to pay him. I rape for money. Love or money, whatever. Or passing interest. Boredom. Where's the sign at the side of the road, we'll rape for anything. Professional villain. That's terrifying. We'll rape just because. What challenges do you think that bottoms run into regularly with rape play? Honest, when you say bottoms and you're talking about those of us in the scene that know this word, you know that one of the things that we're trying to do is to say that we're not going to use our safe words. And one of the primary challenges is that bottoms and or submissives very often don't want to use their safe words. They either are afraid of the reaction or they just consider it a point of pride that you never reach my safe word. And when you're doing rape role play, that can be disastrous. You really need to be able to check in and use that, you know, the yellow that we never say, use it. You can say slow down without saying stop. Or you can give it a signal that means that or whatever. I like code words as a way around that. You know, obviously no doesn't mean know where we're from. But if you use some simple word, you know, a similar word like mercy, that means slow down but don't stop. Or, you know, if some other word that means you can hit me harder or some word that means please back off without ending the scene can save you a lot of embarrassment. But I think the challenge a lot of time for the person on the receiving end is being able to stop the scene without losing pride or dignity. And how, I mean, do you coax them through that? Well, one, you don't do this with people you don't know very well. What? You know, at least not to begin with. I thought rape was specifically for people you don't know. Statistically, no, but that's another discussion. And two, you work with people you really know and trust and that has to work both ways. An experienced top is always checking in with their bottom and seeing through their unwillingness to say their safe words. And an experienced bottom knows when to say them, you know. So that's the challenge, though, I think, the most often for the person on the receiving end is being willing to communicate back to the top. I know a lot of experience, though, of experienced bottoms that they're just, they're prideful motherfuckers. Yeah. And they just, it's about pride. They just don't want to say it because they don't want to admit that they've hit a limit. Especially their experience. My sweetie's the other way around. She tops from the bottom something fierce. I'll get off my hair. Right in the middle of the scene. Sweetie, move it. I gotta meet this woman. Sponsored by raping you. Ow, cramp, move it. Can we skip this song? I hate this song. Like, what? It's supposed to be all mean and evil and, ah. Sure, go ahead and pet the cat while we're- If she ever starts singing along, that'd be awesome. In the middle of the scene. Ooh, I love this song. Can you play it again? I'm trying to rape you, bitch. Can we? Goddamn. Fortunately, she loves this stuff. But yeah, she'll be the first to say, she's not a submissive, she's not a bottom, she's a pillow princess. That's her. You're welcome to do what I want to do as long as it's what she wants to do. Sounds like most modern relationships. But I enjoy the other extreme of that because I also work with fellow professionals. I still, you know, work with porn stars all the time. And they have to do what I'm telling them to because we're in a paid relationship, you know. I mean, obviously, we never, I pride myself on never breaking a limit on camera. I can't say that about my competitors. I've heard too many horror stories, and I'm not going to name names, but the porn business is full of just as many jackasses as every other business. I don't know necessarily more, I don't think so, but just as many, to be sure. Yeah. But I've never, I can, you can go through that. I can, you can go through 16 years of my career, and you'll never find a model who did not have a good time working with me. That's a great record. That's a point of pride, and I'll say it on the air. You go to my website right now, you find any one of those girls, and you write to them by any means you can, and none of them will say they had a bad time working for me. That's great. Well, and that means you probably get more people that are willing to work with you. I need to. Even one girl says I had a bad time, they talk to each other. And I don't have the clout of some of the bigger companies to pay them to shut up. So I won't get anybody else, you know, especially now that I'm a professional. They have agents. If they say to their agent, I hated working for ProVillain, the agent won't send any other girls to me either. So I have to be good. But it's also a point of pride. But that being said, you know, on camera, they have to take direction, and so I don't have to worry about the whole, ow, sweetie, get off my hair, or whatever. At least they don't call me sweetie. Oh, what we do for love. The villain has a heart. Aww. Don't tell anybody. We're not on the air right now, right? It's just between us. Just between us. It's a private conversation. I'm just recording it for posterity. Exactly. Like everything on Twitter. Nobody's listening, right? Nobody's listening. They didn't hear it. Well, there are no such thing as screenshots. There might not be. What? Yeah. For rape plays, is the aftercare any different from other type of play? Honestly, the more I've done rape play, I've found almost no difference between that and any other kind of SM play, other than the level extremity, perhaps, and honestly, the more I've done rape play, I've seen people that can take a hell of a worse beating than I'll ever dish out during rape play. I'm like, that stuff's more extreme than what I'm doing. Mine's just emotionally dangerous. But yeah, the aftercare is the same. The tops feel guilty, and the bottoms feel overwhelmed. Yeah, I'm speaking in exaggerated terms. So the top needs reassurance that yes, what we just did was awesome and I loved it, and the bottoms just need to be held until their adrenaline comes back to normal. You know, top space and bottom space is the same for rape role play as it is for a heavy caning scene or hot wax or anything like that. At least in my own experience, I've found it's the same as any other. But I started in BDSM, so maybe that's just my slant. No, I mean, that sounds... I think it makes sense, but that's all the more reason not to trust it if I think it makes sense. I guess the things that I've done, I don't know if I would qualify them as rape scenes. I don't know. I specifically have not. I've done things. I know you've been on the bottom end of some of the things which are pretty rapey, but I don't necessarily know. But I don't necessarily know if they're rape scenes. Potato, potato. Whatever you want to call it. It's interesting that you said, you know, that the top needs reassurance that what they did wasn't wrong. I can see that. I didn't experience that for myself, but I guess if it got intense, really intense... I think every time I've done a new thing, from the first time I tied somebody up to the first time I spanked somebody to the first time I held a flogger on somebody, every time I've done something new, I needed the person I did it to to reassure me that she wanted me to do it afterwards. Not necessarily again, but at least that first time I need to know physically that yes, this was pleasurable for the person I did it to. That makes sense. And then afterwards, maybe, maybe not. You know, that's case by case. But I've definitely found that to be so. At least, again, for myself. So... But for me, I think because rape play, for a lot of people, they put it in a very different category than, say, other types of extreme edge play, physical play, because it does go to those emotional levels. It does go to those emotional places. Have you had the experience when you ran into some emotional landmines? Not during play. I've been with people who... We were watching a movie, and all of a sudden a rape scene came up in a regular movie, and the person freaked out. And it had called up memories that had been repressed, and we had to spend a whole night just dealing with that. But actually not ever during play. I mean, I always approach it very carefully, but I've never actually had that happen. First hand. I've heard about it. But I've heard about that during normal SM, too. Yeah, that's true. That happens, too. I knew a girl who had been playing with a guy for years and beating him up with all kinds of things. And they were on a getaway weekend and hadn't brought any toys. And he picked up an extension cord, said, here, use this, beat me with this. And she picked it up and beat it with him. And after one stroke, years of repressed memories came to the surface. His father used to beat him and only ever beat him with an extension cord. And boom, he exploded. And she just had to hold him all night and comfort him. So that's just as extraordinary. Yeah. I don't think that's as extreme as anything, I think, that rape victims have to deal with. Yeah, I think that's true. I mean, any victim of abuse, rape always has been part of that. I think you make an interesting point that even within the SM world, the greater fetish community, there's something about rape, rape role play, that people kind of go, ooh, that's more extreme than what I do, or that's creepy and dark and there's something wrong with you. I don't know why that is, if it's just a social thing or what. Or because consent is such a powerful word with us that nobody's willing to even fantasize about non-consent. I don't know. It kind of bugs me a little bit because honestly, there's a lot of shit that I'm never going to do. I'm like, wow, that's way more extreme than me. There's a lot of... Cracks me up when porn stars will come in and they're like, I don't do that bondage stuff. And I'm like, dude, I just saw a picture of you with three dicks up your ass while a guy was standing on your head and peeing on you. Yeah, but I don't want to use rope. But that's not kinky. But yeah, you don't want to be tied up. Okay. That's just normal. All right, hey. I think there's probably also a fear of emotion. Of emotionality. Well, there's a control issue, certainly. And there's just the fear of the unknown. When a producer says, this guy's going to be putting his foot on your head and that guy's going to be peeing on... If that's stuff they know and are comfortable with and I just say a word-like fetish that they don't necessarily know what it means, I can see them getting nervous. But it's also just kind of ironic. Well, additionally, I mean, for number one, there's a lot of judgmentalism in our community, which makes me laugh because we're all fucking freaks. We are all freaks. And if you want to start your 50 Shades of Grey of how freaky one person is versus the other, you know what? Fuck you. We're all freaks. Fuck you to hell. There's that. Fuck you to hell. I like that one. But it doesn't exist, so just keep fucking. That's what I was going to say. Sorry, my atheist is showing again. But additionally, there are words that are so ingrained in us through societal conditioning that terrify people. And the word rapist or rape, they're amongst that. It's that I don't want to be... I don't want to be considered a rapist. No, I'm not a rapist because a rapist takes without asking. And a good top doesn't. And some people simply cannot grasp the concept of consensual non-consent. They don't understand because it's such an oxymoron. How can that exist? I've met that judgment firsthand myself, too. I know exactly. I agree with you. I know what you're talking about. A lot of people in the community just don't want to go there or don't see how we can go there and be safe or be consensual. And again, like the moment you tied somebody up, you're already in a rape fantasy. You know, even if she's claiming to be, or he or whoever is claiming to be, I totally want to be tied up, but the moment I've taken your power away and you can't move your hands, that power dynamic is... If you strip away all the trappings, it's rape role play. At least that's my opinion. And I get paid for my opinions. Oh, pfft. It's definitely beginning of a slippery slope. Yes, yes it is. And Visa will reassure you of that truth because they keep trying to put me on the line. They're trying to get me out of business. We didn't get away with some of the craziest stuff on Clips for Sale or wherever else, but the moment you use the R word, they'll shut you down. I have to be very, very circumspect and only post my clips in certain places. Thank God for Niche Clips. There's another plug for you, nicheclips.com. If you want to get into the really, really creepy stuff. I don't know how their lawyers convinced them it's okay, but you can get... I am writing this down. It's an amazing site. You kind of have to prepay for membership to prove your sincerity, I think. It's like you prepay, you fill up a calling card kind of thing, and then you can spend those dollars on Clips. But if you're willing to take that gamble, you can find all the rape and murder and stuff that even I am squeamish about on that site. Some things you can't unsee. Yeah. Just be real aware. That's a good point. And you got to be ready for Niche Clips, and you got to bring your least judgmental game face. But you can find me there. I got some awesome stuff there. ProVillainProductions at nicheclips.com. And all my stuff's a dollar a minute. Why would you even steal that? It's a dollar a minute. It's not much. Six-minute clip is $6. And I've got world-famous porn stars... That's pretty good. ...being raped at knife point, and nobody else can say that. And they'll come back for more. I would hope so. See? So, yay for Niche Clips. They're awesome people. Well, you know, and I'm... It's always so strange when I'm in the room with two tops, and then, like, I... Because all these, like, I have all these things percolating in my mind. Hi. Bring it on. Bring it on. Bring it on. But I think there's also the... This other component of, is this submissive, is this bottom going to come back and say that wasn't consensual? Oh, yeah. That's a terrifying thing. And certainly if you're doing this, you know, not like me on camera, but with people that you may have only just met who are into what you're into, even with BDSM, there's some concern for that. But if you're doing a rape role-play fantasy, you can be arrested as the rapist. She can cry... Even just somebody you picked up at a bar later can say, that you raped her. Even if you weren't doing rape role-play. That's always a danger. But you think about it, the person who's consented to the rape fantasy is in danger of actually being raped and of you not honoring their say for it. So that risk goes in both directions. Certainly as a bottom, if you're working with a top you don't know, you need to be able to trust them. You need someone to have vouched for them or else you're not going to play with them because you could end up dead in a bathtub four months later. You don't fucking know. Wow, I don't want to be dead in a bathtub. No. I want to be shot out of a cannon, personally. I want to detonate over Hollywood Boulevard. Listen, man, I tell you. Fucking awesome. Die with panache, people. They fire you from the Magic Castle? That's exactly like that. Right in between that big gaping hole of Hollywood and Highland? Or I'll steal Larry Flynn's helicopter and fly right over Hollywood and Vine and just explode. What? You guys are funny. I like this. Collaborate on fantastic ways to die. I got in the movie and I was like, I'm going to do the whole murder thing because the model I was working with wanted to. I had done rape things by then, but I hired this one girl who was a friend of mine and I had enough money. I said, why don't we shoot together? What would you like to do? And she's a B-movie scream queen at the time. And she's like, I'll bring over all my special effects stuff and you can murder me a bunch of times and fondle my dead body. I'm like, really? Okay. So she did. She brought over fake blood and scar tissue type stuff and I strangled her and I slashed her throat, which is a messy way to kill somebody. I had a condom full of fake blood in the palm of my hand and a straw going up the back of the knife. And I put the knife to her neck and squeezed it and it just went everywhere. It's like, don't do that over tile in a kitchen. It doesn't come out of the ground. But she had a ball doing it. We learn a lot from Dexter. Those still sell. Yeah, yeah. Dexter. I did a Dexter parody. Did you guys see the... I put up a free clip of it. I don't like to say parody. It's an homage because it wasn't goofy. Right, an homage. I had the Dexter shirt and the Dexter pants and the Dexter shirt. Fantastic. And the needle. I was working with this adorable model who's a big Dexter fan too. And she's like, you gotta hold me down with a saran wrap and everything just like Dexter does. Oh my God. It works so fucking well. Well, that's interesting because Dexter is a very popular show and there's definitely... There's a sexual overtone. A lot of sexual overtones to that. Although clearly he's... Don't give me any spoilers. I'm behind a season. I'm waiting on Netflix. I'm several seasons behind. I thought you were gonna do something. No. Yeah, I love that. I love that. He's a lot of fun as a villain. You look up to Dexter. I think if you look, there's so many points of entertainment where not just rape but this concept of non-consent is so popular. How many people talked about the rape scene in Girl with the Dragon Tattoo? And comparing and contrasting the differences between the Swedish version and the American version. How many people look at Dexter and talk about the bondage component of that and then of course the murder? We all admit that it's sexy. We just don't admit that we find it personally sexy. Well, because then we become labeled. Yep. Nobody wants that. With the freak or the potential rapist and people look at you with this fear as if someone you're looking at is a sexual sadist, an actual scary sadist, not a fun sadist. Because we're fun sadists. Fun sadists. You need fun sadists. And that's what most of the people I know are, fun sadists. And you need the villain. The villain is the most compelling part of the movie. Oh, absolutely. Star Wars without Darth Vader. Boring. I mean, no offense to the rest. It was a great movie. But without Darth Vader, nobody could rock a cape like him. Highlander without the Kurgan. And personally, the Kurgan will always be my favorite villain of all time. Busted out Highlander. That's pretty effing cool. I'm as old as you. And I think I can give you a run for the money there. There you go. And the Kurgan was one of the bitchiest. Still, I think the bitchiest villain in any movie I've ever seen. Yeah. No, I love the villains. I agree. I mean, I'm not saying this just because you're a villain. Well, thank you then. But the villain is the villain. And I think that's the biggest villain I've ever seen. Yeah. No, I love the villains. I agree. I mean, I'm not saying this just because you're a villain. Well, thank you then. But the villains have the richest characters. Because in most literature and even in, well, maybe not most literature, but in a lot of literature, especially popular literature and popular entertainment, the good guy is very one-dimensional. It's easy to understand. We know why people are good. And then, but the bad guy, there's darkness and there's depth and there's complexity. Why is this guy this way? Because he's sweet. And it's sexy. Because he's willing to do stuff the good guy's not willing to do. That makes him sexy. Well, dangerous. Dangerous is sexy. Dangerous is sexy. Let's not pretend it isn't. Which is why probably the rape fantasy is number two. Mm-hmm. Because danger is sexy. Certainly why there are roller coasters and amusement parks. Absolutely. And that is, to me, one of the things that I look at and I enjoy about this whole world and understanding is that people get lost in this fear. And there's still a safety net to it. Yup. Exactly. Like, I can be afraid, but I know I'm never gonna get hurt, like a bottom. You know, I know that I can hurt somebody, but I'm never going to damage them and harm them. Yeah. And therefore, you know, you really, it's this dance on that line. You can play the power dynamic, yeah. Which is so fulfilling. You can fulfill these freaky, potentially sick, and some people might consider psychologically damaged components of ourselves that allow us to, you know, become more whole. I think liberated is a better word. Liberate. We are psychologically liberated. I like that. We're not constrained by social norms. I like, well, yeah, because social norms suck. I'm not good to people because that's the law. I'm good to people so that I'll get to play with them again. I honor their limits so that I have a good reputation so I get to do this again. Yeah. Listen, people, you should all live by that philosophy. Don't break your toys. Well, you need a T-shirt now that says that. Yeah. I like, did you see, I'm sporting my T-shirt today. You are, it's awesome. I'll read the T-shirt there. Tim Woodman, professional villain. Just an evil man trying to make a dishonest living in an unfair world. Yeah. And it's an unfair world, especially to a villain. Yeah. It's a tough lot. We lose a lot. I don't lose in my videos, but most of us lose a lot. Let me just say, though, I'm really enjoying being here as a guest because you guys are lifestylers and I don't have to restrict myself to talking about porn. We didn't even bring it up for the first half of the show and I really appreciate that. That's fun for me to be among fellow freaks and not among fellow industry people. No. That's nice. No, we do it because we love it. Yahoo. I just keep looking at her and hoping that she's going to rape me soon. I raped you before. I know, but just because it was before, does that mean that it only has to be once? Oh, all right, fine. Yeah, that's the thing. Rape them and then you have to go back and do it again because they're never satisfied. Exactly. See, because to me, I mean, isn't a rapist, you're just like, wham, bam, thank you, ma'am, right? Well, not me. That's an anger excitation rapist if you're a psych major. I'm a power reassurance rapist. Oh, look at that. I tie them up and make them do it. I make them come over and over again. Well, that's very nice of you. Against their will. Very good. Wow. You're the nicest villain I've ever met. Boy, I thank you very much. Don't spread that word either. Don't tell people that. I think I just did. I just told the world. I'm a mystery wrapped in an enigma wrapped in a warm flour tortilla. That's what I am. Is there salsa? Yes. Trader Joe's fire roasted. Fantastic. God, I love this stuff. Oh, man. What, um, sorry, we get distracted. I'm ready. I'm loving this. I'm loving this. This is why we don't have an outline. Nancy's fanning herself over here. I'm next to a penis and excited. This is too much. I don't know what I'm gonna do. It's so exciting. It's so much, you guys. I don't know what I'm gonna do. But you had a point you were gonna make. Absolutely. I had a question. Did you do it? Is what I had, but then you with like your boobies and then like the... And the talk of salsa. All of that. Salsa. Tequila. Right. A friend of mine brought me over some of my favorite tequila yesterday, Corso. That was nice. If you're a tequila snob, look up Corso, C-O-R-Z-O. You can get it at like BevMo and places. Oh, I've had that. It comes in a square, like a rectangular decanter looking bottle. Some of the best tequila in the world. I'm gonna go. I need a drink. I need a drink. My question was, shit, man. You guys and your fucking tops, man. It's all you. It's about our agenda, not yours. I guess. My question was, did you have a good time? I had a good time. I had a good time. I had a good time. I had a good time. I had a good time. I had a good time. I had a good time. I had a good time. My question was, damn it. Third time's a charm. Yes. My question was, with submissives who, or bottoms who want to get into this, but they don't know anybody. Mm-hmm. They don't have that trusted person. What do they do? I would have three avenues I would recommend, and they all start with your computer. Go to FetLife, first of all. FetLife, I can't imagine you have listeners that don't know what FetLife is, but if you don't, it's Facebook for weirdos. It's a social media event network and coordination and connection place for us. If you go to FetLife, you can search by your location or just by topic, and you'll find other rape enthusiasts and talk to them, and then go to some meat and munch at a Denny's somewhere and talk to them more there, and you'll find people that you think you want to trust. The other two options are even safer because you can do them from home and never leave the house. The one I mentioned was Ravish U. There's a couple of other rape discussion boards. But I really like RavishU.com. And Second Life. If you know Second Life, which is like an internet chat room plus video game. I don't know how well you guys know that stuff. I know about it. I used to be on there a lot. I wasted too much time on there and kind of promised myself I wouldn't go back because you can spend a lot of time in this cyber world and I kind of got addicted. It's another place where you'll find you can act out with your little cartoon self a full-on play with and never leave the house. And if it freaks you out, you turn off the computer and you're safe. They'll never find you. You can go as far as you want and stop at any time. So it's the ultimate safe sex environment. Whenever I do. As long as you can type one handed because otherwise you got to stop, you know. Damn it if you're a girl. If you're listening and you have any questions for like the most awesome villain, let me just tell you. Our phone number is 800-893-9562. That's 800-893-9562. That's 800-893-9562. That's 800-893-9562. Do call in. I really want to hear what you have to. When I used to go online and look at dirty, naughty stuff that good girls aren't supposed to go do, I always have this like fear that someone was going to find me. Yeah. Somebody was going to discover what I was looking at. And then cookies aren't that powerful. They can't really track you that way. But yeah, we all fear that. That was before Homeland Security, though. Now they can't. Well, they can, but they're not coming. They don't look at that stuff. Or do they? Ah, wow. Kingsters. I got one of the coolest, I don't get a lot of fan mail. I get a lot of hate mail from people saying, oh, you bastard, I wish I was you, which is not exactly hate mail. That's fan mail. That's awesome. I got some hate mail that was a lot ruder than that, too. Now I'm going to write him a rude email. Because I don't have fans. I work with people who have fans. I have a couple of fans. But every now and then I got this beautiful letter, email from this girl who had just turned 18 and was going off to college. And she wrote me saying that my work had helped her to feel comfortable with her own sexuality and her rape fantasies. Because I have a couple of things you can get. I have my little freebies and samples. And she found them. And until she was old enough to get a credit card and buy her own porn, she would use my freebies and samples to get her through the long, lonely nights. And to make her feel okay about what she was into. This is the sweetest thing anyone has ever fucking told me ever. It was so totally awesome. I think that's what's really, that people can find some comfort in their freakiness. You know, that's why we have these groups. Makes you feel good about it. We have a caller. Do we have an actual phone call? Somebody calling? Well, somebody texted me and said, I want the number. I have questions. So that's what I need. Let's get the number. It would appear that we have a caller. Hello? Hello, welcome to the Love Bite. Hey, girl. What you know? Hey, sweetie. How are you? I'm great. How are you doing? Good. We got you on with ProVillain. I hear that awesome show. Howdy. Very exciting. With whom do we speak? I'm sorry. I don't recognize your voice. Kaylin Phipps. Well, howdy. Hi. How are you? What questions do you have, hon? I'm doing great. What can we do for you? I have some interesting questions for you, if you please don't mind. Not at all. I understand the whole, I do a heck of a lot of research. I'm an actual writer. I can't imagine the difficulty of finding really good material. But along the way of the research, I have discovered that I'm very interested in rope play. But I'm not really that interested in the rape. Well, that's a minority. Is that odd? No, not at all. A lot of people are into rope play and just like to be tied up. And rope is like a hug that you get to keep wearing. Well, but let me ask you this. Have you done any rope play? No, because I keep running into the same problem of finding someone, you know, when you mention that that's what you want. Or that's what you're interested in. Then that's the scenario that people need to bring up. You know, and it's not that I, you know, it's not, like you said, baby steps. Yep. You know, and I have not been in the scene very long. I am very careful about taking baby steps and not pushing, you know, myself too far. But something about doing the research on this rope play, I mean, I'm just like, bang. Good. You found something. I don't want to do this. That's good. But I don't want to take the other step. You don't have to. No. The public is your friend. Maybe not yet, but everyone I want to run into that wants to try this wants to know we're going to do this step. No, no, no. You have all the power in the negotiation. You're right. Which is why I say thank you. Have a good night. Bye. Right. And this is, it's a very real scenario. I mean, people out there, this is very real where a bottom comes to try and find a specific thing and they want to negotiate with the top. And the top tries to intimidate them to do what they want. That's not the way it should go. Not at all. I'm a walking appetizer for dons. I'm not kidding. Well, here's what you do. Every time I walk in anywhere, I mean, it's like an instant, I'm going to find this up in you. Oh, go away. You'll be submissive for me. Well, stay public. Stay in parties where there are dungeon monitors watching the space and where somebody nearby has seen your limits and heard you say, here's what I will do and what I won't do. And then play with people there. I'll tie you up if you're in the Los Angeles area. I'll tie you up and just leave you hanging there. Make sure you're safe and you don't, you know, your arms don't fall asleep. And when you want to get down, I'll let you down. Well, there's different techniques. Is that correct? Yes. I mean, that's what I'm finding. Yeah. The most popular misused word is shibari, which is just Japanese for bondage. Right, exactly. But it becomes a very specific style. Hiding the ends of your rope. It becomes a very specific style and it's actually one I don't practice. I'm not very well trained in shibari. What I do is what you might call western or detective style bondage or freestyle bondage. Right. And it's a different look, but, you know, when I teach the class, I kind of teach. It's bondage theory and you can take it in whatever direction you want. All right. Cool. Very cool. And there are plenty of people at least as good as me, if not way better than me, at rope wherever you live. So get on for life and find some enthusiasts. I guarantee you, speaking English, there is a kinky club within driving distance. They're doing something this weekend. Yeah, sure. Okay. Even if you're in, like, Anchorage, Alaska, I know freaks up there that can help you out. Yeah. Where you are, there are going to be some cultures. There are going to be some cultural issues. However. That's mostly the problem. However. I mean, there's a lot of hangups around here. It's going to be much more underground. Well, what you run across is not so much that it's not here. It's just you don't really want to delve into that. It's a different mindset. So if you're in the middle of the Bible Belt, I'm sorry. It's complicated. There are freaks there, too. Believe me. Yeah. They're just a little bit more careful. But it's a true secret handshake. I mean, you just really want to get out of the closet in any way, shape, or form. Well, FetLife is your friend. Do what? FetLife is your friend. Go to FetLife.com. You'll find places near you. FetLife. I'll definitely do that. I'll definitely do that. Absolutely. For sure. Thank you for calling. You've actually taught courses on this. Is that correct? Yeah. I teach a recurring. I teach a six-month long, once-a-month rope workshop on everything from here is rope and here are different kinds of rope all the way through hanging in the air, suspension, bondage. That's you. That's me. You do that at Threshold? Yeah. Fuck. I keep missing that class. It's coming up July 22nd, isn't it? It's always at a really bad, like, Sunday in the middle of the day. Yeah, it is. It's during your show. Asshole. But we're starting over. This month, July 22nd, is class number one of six. Damn. Very cool. Very cool. I would definitely love to. Well, I'd love to learn it as well as do it. Yeah, no, that's what the class is for. And you should. You should know how to do it even if you don't. Absolutely. If you only want to receive. Well, you should know how to do everything even if you're the one that's going to be on the end receiving it. Absolutely. Absolutely. Correct? Yes. I mean, isn't that healthy? Absolutely. Yes. I think we have another call. Of course, you know, none of us are healthy, right? Yeah. No, no, we're healthy. Health is a relative term. Thank you so much for calling. It's great to talk to you. Oh, no problem. Thank you. Have a good one. You too. Bye. Bye-bye. It would appear that we have another call holding. We're so popular. Look, they all want to talk to a villain. Well, you know, us bad guys are compelling. Villain, villain, villain, villain. Yeah. I have my own theme song. Did you know that? No. Can you sing it? You ready? Dun, dun, dun. Hello. I walked into that. You're on the air with a love bite. Hello. Hello, person. Greetings. Caller. Hi. Let's try that again. Hi. This is Liz. Oh, man. I missed that one. This is Liz Lifton. We missed that one because you are driving. We'll just say hi. And you're a cell phone. Hello. Is this Adora? Oh, hey. Hey, sweetums. Hi, girl. Oh, crap reception. So I'm going to ask a question and take my answer off air. But I would love to hear his points about overtaking someone who is much larger, a femme taking over a much larger man, and how some tricks to give me the upper advantage in doing that. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Thanks, Dora. Thank you. You're welcome. Dora has asked a compelling and good question that I have got before, and I teach during my rape role play class. Did you find it? Did you find when my rape role play? I don't even know what the fuck time is. Yes. October or something. October 27th, 7 p.m. What a Halloween class, guys. But if you don't want to wait that long, the brief answer is cheat. Villains are not honorable people. Use weapons. Take a knife or a gun. They will do what you say. Once you got the cuffs on, then they're completely in your control. If it's with your loving partner, you can have superpowers. Stare at them hypnotically or put some Pepto-Bismol. And they're drinking. Not Pepto-Bismol. Something with bubbles in it. Pepto-Bismol. Oh, my God. Drug drink scenarios require no effort and even the playing field. My sweetie is much bigger than me every now and then. Sorry. I'm much bigger than my sweetie every now and then. She wants to do the taking down. It's like, yeah, sure. Become a vampire. Or hold a gun to my head. That's awesome. You know, we got lots of dark guns and stuff at home. Cheat. Sneak up behind them and put a knife to their neck. It doesn't matter who's bigger anymore. You got a knife to their neck. And you can take them down from there. I like this. I like that, too. Agree ahead of time that you have superpowers and let the other person struggle, but not too hard. They want to be taken down. They're your sub. They want to play with you. Oh, yeah. They want to resist, but play with you. There's lots of ways you can do that. But for me, it comes down to cheating. Grab yourself a weapon. Take yourself, take a folder full of photos of the affair you caught them in. And say, I'm going to show these to your wife or you're going to do what I say right now. And then pull out the strap on and watch them whimper. Oh, yeah. There's a lot of people that have that. Hell, yeah. Blackmail fantasy. I shot a bunch of blackmail porn lately that I totally loved. I'm going to shoot another one next week. Awesome. This is so exciting. I love this so much. This hour has been like my favorite in like a really long time. Well, cool. I'm really glad you guys had me here. I'm having a ball myself. Yeah, no, definitely. I agree. This is fantastic. Very cool. Well, we'll do it again. You know, it's nice to get another perspective, especially somebody who's, you know, so experienced. Well, thank you. And also has a penis because that is also different. There is a man in the room. There is a man in the room. And he's sitting next to me. It's just different. I'm hairy and everything. I shave. I didn't shave today. I'm all scruffy. But I'm rocking my villain look today. Right. You need the, you know, the goatee because all villains have goatees. It seems that all villains have. I don't. I never did the mustache goatee thing. Well, then you can't be a villain. I'm sorry. Yeah. You're fired. That's it. I'm sorry. I did wear a cape and a top hat one time. Did you have a walking stick? I've done some goofy shit. I was a clown. I was clown dressed up and taking on an Indian princess. Oh, my God. And I was like, I hate clowns. I don't want to fucking do this. Fucking no clowns. No. Unless you're actually doing Pennywise. And even then, too many people are going to freak out. I always wanted to do that one time. Shit. I always wanted to do that. I have a list of villains I still want to portray. I did Dexter, and that was awesome. I loved doing Dexter. I did Freddy Krueger, which I loved doing Freddy Krueger. That was so fucking cool. And there's still, there's a free clip of that. If you go to bondageblowjobs.com, you'll find all my videos. My free page, me and Faye Reagan doing a Nightmare on Elm Street thing. Very nice. It's fucking cool. Freebies. 20-second clip freebies and a bunch of photos. I like this villain bucket list idea. Yeah. I got a couple I still want to do. I can't do Hannibal Lecter because I don't have the right hair for that. You'd never pull that off. Skullcap? He's short, blue-eyed, well-spoken Anthony Hopkins. I don't think you really have to actually physically look together. I'd have to do like Wild Bill. I'd have to do the Buffalo Bill character. It puts the lotion in the basket or some shit like that. That's awesome. That's awesome. You just got to do the tucking scene because that's the best scene ever. I'd fuck me. I'd fuck me so hard. You know, you sound like a Muppet when you do that. I know. I don't do a very good Buffalo Bill. Kind of awesome. I love Muppets. Again, being in the room with two tops is just totally different. We're having another top on next week. I know, but I'm saying every single time there's another top in the room, it's just a different atmosphere. She's wallowing in our energy. Yes, exactly. That's true. She's getting all subby. Then it would appear that we have another phone call. Yes, another phone call. Hello, you're on the Love Bites. Hey, guys. Love of the show. You guys are awesome. Thank you. Thanks very much. For the past three, four, five years, my wife and I, we've been doing a lot of stuff for like the clips for sale kind of stuff. Awesome. And one thing that we do, we do like the rope bondage tied in with like the tickle fetish. And stuff like that. And we were exposed to something that we haven't really gotten into yet. We've been talking about it. But a friend of ours does a lot of, it's all this drowning underwater where it looks like the girl is actually, you know, dead at the end of the scene. Don't do the clips for sale. They'll shut your ass down. Right. Right. Well, and we. We know it's, you know, obviously it's fake. But, you know, it just seems to be ridiculously popular from what we're seeing. And I don't know if you guys have seen that. I mean, it's like. I shot one. I shot one. A long time ago. I drowned a girl in a bathtub. It was awesome. Sounds like a good time to me. Well, I murdered her five times that day. And that one was not the last one. So clearly I didn't really kill her. Why you got to take away the smoke and mirrors? Why you got to ruin a fantasy? Fantasy. Jesus. But yeah, I've done drowning scenes. You're a bad movie man. I think it's cool. I think it's cool. It's dangerous. Obviously, like any play is dangerous. Right. But when we shot it, the time we shot it for camera, I just held my hands around her neck and she dunked herself underwater and we filmed. And when she came back up for a breath, we cut that out later. So it kind of had a Hitchcock 20 seconds at a time camera thing to it. So it looked like she was underwater for a minute. And then once she was dead, I just pulled her nose out of the water. So she just sat mostly submerged and nobody could tell. It was awesome. I thought it was very sexy. That's awesome. That's awesome. So have you done the rope tickle stuff? I don't know if, you know, like I said, for us, it seems to be a lot of fun, but I'm not sure if it's a, you know, is that a big gag for everybody? I love it. It's a hard limit for my sweetie. She won't let me do tickling with her. But other models, I did a scene with Jade Indica. I had her tied up and hanging in the air in the middle of the room. And she was laughing just because she thought the whole thing was kind of goofy and fun. So I was like, oh, do you want to laugh? And I started tickling her like mad and that drove her crazy. Now, one thing that we've come across, we get a lot, you know, some of the feedback we get is if I come into the scene or we have another guy come into the scene, we often do like the masked bandit kind of thing. And we get a lot of actually negative feedback about not being able to see the guy's face. And I don't know, what's your perspective on that? I mean, do you see the guy, not see the guy? I honestly for... For my own taste, I could care less whether the guy's wearing a mask or not. And if it's me, I don't care either way except the masks are hot. So I don't always wear them if I don't have to. But my customers, it's like 50-50. Half of them want to get to fantasize that it's them. So they want you to wear a mask so they can pretend that's really them. Others of them want to know who it is or think it's really cheesy that the guy is being all cowardly and not showing his face. But I haven't lost money on it either way. So whatever people are into is fine. Yeah. Well, like I said, it's just been something. The brand that we've seen, we get... It's a mix. Like you said, it's about a 50-50. We sometimes get a lot of... One video comes out and it's like, oh, Christ, you know, why won't the guy show his face? And the next time around, it's really, you know, love that bandit thing. But... Yeah. You don't know. Shoot a little bit of both and hopefully somebody will buy one of them. Thanks so much for the call. We really are running out of time. So thanks so much for calling. Oh, yeah. We're down to like 50 seconds now. But listen, you guys, I want to thank you so much for having me on your show. I had a ball. I'll definitely come back. This was... Our guest was ProVillain. You can find him at ProVillain.com. And he has a couple of events coming up. So July 7th, that would be next Saturday at 2 o'clock at Blair. In Los Angeles. That will be nicely. Yeah. But you can find everything on his website. Yes, yes, yes. Don't forget to like the Love Byte page on Facebook. Follow us on Twitter at the underscore love underscore byte. I'm Insidious Muse. I'm Service Slut. And that's like the fastest fucking wrap up. Who next week we're going to have a female master on? Hell, yeah. Master Fauna. Yeah. Oh, sure. I know her. Yeah. That's awesome. So Master Fauna. And she's hilarious. Very cool. Look for some laughing and shit. Yeah. And like more because there's tops. There's going to be two tops in the room. Oh, my God. I'm going to go crazy. Glad you're having fun. Have a good one. Thanks. See ya. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Thank you.