Venom Inc. interview, tour talk, and live performance preview

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We have seen imitators. We've also seen duplicators. But now, it's time for the originators. Los Angeles and the rest of the world. Today is a special broadcast of the very manic Jimmy Cab Show. I am your host, Jimmy Cabs, broadcasting live from downtown gentrified Los Angeles. You know, it's very interesting when I think back and reflect over 35 years of being into extreme underground music. It's always interesting to see how throughout the decades, where the genre has gone and how it has gone worldwide and how influential, and especially now in this day and age where around the world, music is what keeps us all united and helps us all overcome the horrors of this fucking planet. In 1984, I had the privilege of going and seeing, a band that is not only legendary and iconic, they are indeed the innovators, the masters, the true masters of what now is referred to as black metal. But I would say they are the masters of all genres. I'm talking about the legendary Venom, Inc. Fucking lawyers, right? Fucking lawyers, man. Lawyers got it. They got to fuck everything up. You know that today here, by the way, let me introduce my guest before I start rambling. The legendary Mantis Abaddon. Hello. Demolition Man. Hello. Thank you all for being here, joining us here on the very 19th floor We Play Radio studios. Let's hope an earthquake doesn't hit right now. No, that will hit tonight when we go on stage. Right? Yeah, exactly. That's what we want. Today in downtown Los Angeles in the courts, the decision in regards to the... Led Zeppelin's Stairway to Heaven case was handed today. I'm sure you've heard of the... Or maybe not because you've been on tour extensively. I've heard of it. But you know the controversy between Spirit and Zeppelin and the thievery and all that. So it went to a jury. And of course, the jury, especially here in America, they're all idiots. They don't pay attention to evidence, you know? And they're also fanatic. They're probably all fanatic Led Zeppelin fans. So... They just repaid thievery. Right? As you can tell, I am... I was a Led Zeppelin fan. But as I got older and as I researched and as I found out the blatant thievery, one of the reasons why I respect all three of you is because, number one, as I mentioned before, you are the innovators. Be that as it may, the reason why I have immense respect for all of you is because you're all decent, down-to-earth human beings. And you are here now performing, giving that same pleasure, that same joy that I had over 35 years ago. 35 fucking years ago. How are you guys doing that now? I wake up now, fucking my back is killing me. Jimmy, I wake up and your back's fucking killing me. How do you guys do that? You guys all look great. Okay? I mean, I had the pleasure of seeing you perform the last time you were, you know, around. That's part of the tour. You guys have been touring extensively. Let me start off by asking you right off the bat. How are you enjoying performing? Not only the Venom songs, but performing as musicians in the year 2016. Can you believe that? Where did all the time go? I don't know. I got this question two days ago. I was doing an interview and the guy said, did you ever envisage that you would be doing this all these years later? And my answer was, well, music's my life. And I couldn't imagine doing anything else. So, I don't suppose... I don't suppose we've given it any opportunity but to happen. You know, we're all very focused and very driven. That's the way the whole thing came about in the first place. And I think I've got more of an appreciation for it now as well. You know, as a young guy, you go out there and I've spoke about this in the past. It seemed like, you know, you went into a studio, you recorded a demo, you did a single, it was released and then you went on tour. And that just seemed to be the norm back in those days. You know, for us, there was no... there was no building process or anything like that. We went straight from zero to hero type of thing. The success was very, very quick, which probably contributed to a lot of problems in the band as well. But now, I don't take anything for granted. You know, we've walked into some great venues, we've walked into some very small venues, you know, venues with no dressing rooms, anything like that. Since the inception of this Venom Inc. thing in April of last year, which was meant to be a one-off, you know, just a one-off show for a festival. Boy, that sure got stretched out, didn't it? Oh yeah, yeah. But since its inception, I mean, we haven't went out with a backdrop, many pyrotechnics to speak of, any show, anything like that. It's been us and the music. You know, us, the music and the fans. And this is why I have immense respect for all of you. Just what you just said there, you're going out there. To me, if you allow me to use this metaphor, it reminds me of... the boxers. You know, going into the ring. And, you know, everyone is saying, Hey, here is the ex-champion. And not only is that champion doing it raw and real and hanging in the ring, but at the same time, what's going on here is you are literally bringing back that iconic sound that no one has been able to replicate. Everyone has tried for the last 30 years. I know, that's another thing. We've had so many times from fans saying, I can't believe how you sound the same as you did way back then. Amazing. You know, how authentic it sounds and all that. You know, on the subject of the championship boxer getting back into the ring, fuck me, it's a fight to get out of bed every morning for us now. You know, I mean, it is exhausting. You know, we haven't got the recuperative powers of, you know, the younger guys and stuff like that. Especially when you've been fisted in the ring. Continually. That was Abaddon who obviously drags every conversation straight into the gutter. It's the beauty of Venom. Yeah, I know, yeah. But you've still got a sense of humour. I've got to keep remembering, Venom Inc. We don't want any lawyers barging in here. I don't think that'll happen to be perfect. I wouldn't worry about that. I mean, every night we get the Venom chant. Let me just say this right off the bat and start this conversation and make it clear, because I do not want to go into the whole Conrad discussion. I do not want to reflect on this whole, to me there is no rivalry. There is no second Venom. There's only one Venom Inc. There's only one Venom. And you are here present. And let me say this for all those that have been very voiceful. It's amazing here. I don't know if this is around the world, but here in the West Coast and in America, boy, I think Conrad should run for president because the PR company that he has, for whatever reason, no one looks into the history. I turn blue when I say the real Venom is performing now. And let me add this to this. Because you're all playing genuinely. You're all playing from the heart. Nobody here is out because of the money. Nobody here has an ego. And let me say this very bluntly. You enjoy what you do. Yes. Aside from creating this incredible music that has lasted so many decades. Everybody talks about the Eagles and Led Zeppelin. Fuck all that. This is amazing what you have done. Timeless music. 30 years from now, your music will still be being played. I think so, yeah. And this is what's incredible. You're all doing this now with the utmost joy. And as we were discussing off the record, and I'll keep our off the record conversation. Private, but I'll just throw this in effect. I've seen the horrors that you deal with with your fan base. I'm not talking about the young fans. I'm talking about old motherfuckers my age. They're following you around. Man, just sign this. You just performed fucking almost two hours. You gave your audience everything. You don't have a dressing room. Because, you know, number one, you're not a rock star. Number two, we're dealing with the real world. And you got a bunch of fuckers in their 40s, 50 years old. They're all following you around. Like if they're 12. And then Demolition Man over here, he just performed for two fucking hours. His throat's all scrapped. And everyone wants to talk to him. And then Abaddon over here behind the percussion, which is like fucking a Nautilus gym. Another fucking long-haired bearded stalker. How do you guys deal with all that? I know, right? I mean, it's fucking ridiculous. Seriously, how do you deal with it? I would be in jail by now. It's what we've said before. I mean, myself and Tony did the whole thing with Empire where we would come off stage and literally jump into the audience. And we did that for four or five years. Oh, my God. And we came to the point where we said, we've got to step back a little bit. But we appreciate, because we signed so many collections, we appreciate that somebody may come to the show and that may be their only opportunity to ever meet the band, to see the band or whatever. And I'll be the first to admit that myself personally, I'm less sociable than Demolition Man and Abaddon. They'll go out. But I'm a little bit more of a recluse. I'm not the social butterfly. I'm not the social butterfly type thing. But having said that, if there's people at the bus and they want stuff signed in, who am I to say no? And he does it. He will get off the bus and take photographs and speak to people and shake their hands and sign endless albums. It's that respect for these guys, for Venom, and the respect back to the fans. It's like I say on stage to them throughout this tour, I've been saying, this is your band. This is your music. Not some fat fuck on a computer that's 5,000 years old in his mom's basement somewhere telling you what you should and shouldn't fucking like. This is about being real. Hey, why are you talking about me that way? And the reason that those 40-somethings or whatever run around like fangirls wanting to go, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, is because we've just performed and reduced them to the 16-year-old guy that first heard the band. Absolutely. And if we weren't doing that, if people were just going, yeah, okay, and leaving, well, we'd probably be in trouble. We'd probably be selling them shorts, and we give 100% of ourselves. And in order to be real, in order to be genuine, you have to do that. Me and Jeff always said, if we don't come off stage fucked, we know we haven't given our all. So to come off stage that exhausted means we've depleted ourselves on stage, and that's what they deserve. Don't forget it's a double-edged sword as well, because if we come off stage and we went on the bus and we're all hyper and full of energy. Oh, you'd be fat. Yeah, but if we turn around and there's no one around, we're all fucking dead. Oh, you'd be fat. Oh, you'd be... Nobody wants shit to say. Yeah, exactly. I'd be pretty down. I'd be pretty pissed off. Yeah. When people are there to keep the party going afterwards, and the people want to talk about stuff, and they want to be part of stuff and this kind of thing, that's all, that's a kind of a, it's a sweetener at the end of the night, you know? Right. That's a cherry on the cake for me. And that kind of rounds the evening off. Yeah. It's like, if that wasn't there, I'd feel like I was being... You'd be a bit lost, wouldn't you? Something taken away, yeah. Is that why all three of you, as a collective of Venom Inc., are not... I mean, all three of you, as a collective of Venom Inc., are not only running on all cylinders, and not only are you guys performing, and I don't mean to offend, but I think you guys are performing way better than when I saw you in the 80s. Del Cote, yes. Easily. Way better. And let me give you an example as to why. As I mentioned before, the energy level where you're all, the chemistry is there and you all enjoy each other. But another reason, and let me commend you, because no one, I have not seen any journalists or so-called music aficionados mention the fact that you're all... I'm not saying that you're all the same, but I'm saying the fact that, yes, Mantis and Abaddon, you are Venom, you are the foundation. But it would not be resurrected if it wasn't for this man. It would not... It's a collective. It's like a motor. That car is not going to go anywhere unless every piece fits in. And one of the things that you bring in, you get so much bash because of the Conrad Kool-Aid. I know, I kind of like it. This whole propaganda... The fucking guy's like Stalin. I don't know, everyone's brainwashed. They don't realize the fact that, number one, Cronut's... And by the way, all comments expressed by Jimmy Cavs or Jimmy Cavs alone. This does not reflect my guess or the fucking poor guy that's going to get probably sued for this. But the point is, Conrad was a fucking asshole. Okay? My opinion. One of the things that I like about what you're doing is aside from really giving it your all and really showing the respect that these two gentlemen, which are your bandmates, deserve, by performing those songs so elegantly and so perfectly and so majestically where a fan from my era and a kid now are both in unison. Right? That's brilliant. Yeah. That life, that fresh life is something that there are a lot of bands that are from the era we're discussing that have not been able to achieve. Yeah, yeah. And I think this, my friends, is the fact that each and every one of you bring into this energy, which is venom, you bring in this true human element of genuosity. You know when we looked at putting... I'm a little along with you, by the way. No, when we looked at putting this version of the band together, I spoke to Tony straight away about it. And there were a lot of people in bands like, I guess, Sodom and Destruction, this kind of thing, who the bass player singer looked like a Kronos and acted like a Kronos and sang like a Kronos. Never entered my head to speak to anybody to be a fill-in Kronos. It was to be another strong frontman bass player. And Tony was the first person that popped into my head. It wasn't even, it was a no-brainer. And you've done a magnificent job. Yeah, but he, you know, people say, oh, how do you fill such big boots and how do you fill Kronos' place and all this kind of shit? He doesn't because he never had to. Yeah. He stepped in as his own person. He didn't step in as Kronos version two, Kronos version three, four, five. He stepped in as his own person and was equally as big, equally as strong, and has proved to be a far better frontman singer bass player because the band had to grow as musicians. You know, that's the thing. You know, bands do. The band was rough. The band was roping. The band was always going to grow. But to do that, we needed somebody who was going to grow as a bass player and as a singer and be able to do it every night. And I don't personally believe that Conrad can do that. I don't think if he was on a 30-day tour, he would do more than 10 dates and his throat would give out. He wouldn't be able to play. He wouldn't be able to do this kind of thing that we're doing continually. It takes something, you know? But another thing that I want to make a comment about real quick is the fact that the last, you know, the last time I was on the show, I was on the show with Tony. I was on the show with Tony. 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coming up one guy in particular came up and said you know many but but i'm just picking one instance and the guy came up and said man i gotta shake your hand that was like brilliant did you enjoy it he was like fantastic he said i didn't come in january because i thought there is no venom without chronos he said but i looked at the set list and he said i was struggling with myself going okay i really want to hear those songs and he said i came and i did not expect that said man that's venom how do you feel when when the the so-called diehard venom chronos fans come into that way is it uh do you feel accomplished you know what you know what it is it's it's just the people who said at the beginning you know what it is it's it's just the people who said at the beginning i'm a venom fan and bullshit to everybody else and fuck slayer that's right metallica and they said you know we like venom because other people don't yeah it's fucking marmite it's choking cheese it's take it or leave it and venom are one of those bands we'll always be one of those bands motorhead became a band that you loved or hated but then you kind of grew to love let me and you know and yeah and the ramones you kind of grew to accept them and you know venom you never were it was always black or white it still is black white but the point is that the people who are diehard fans i know why they say that i know why they're like okay it's gonna be lantern braids has to be you three and it's like oh all right all right all right don't fucking panic just come and see it don't don't shit your fucking pants just come and see it see what you think and just be equally as honest and when when i perform those songs not only uh do i obviously the these guys i've known for for a long long time and i consider them obviously my friends but also i know that they deserved so much better than what they got and they deserved so much more from the industry and there's a strong fan base but i wanted them to realize who they were and we went back to start we didn't skip we're not selling fucking chocolate bars with a fucking name venom on it and we're not phoning this shit in we're not only playing certain places where we can scalp people for as much money as we can get we went straight back to start we played at 50 people there six people there minnesota texas new york we fucking somebody else has to play it and we've gone and we've never stopped since we started touring we will do the album of course we want to but while we get the offers to go but each night um we have a synergy the original band had a synergy you couldn't put your finger on it there was just something about it was magical and destructive at the same time but that was the beauty of the beast we found that we have a synergy and we've got it even more so now because we enjoy playing the grooves are there the blues are there and and i personally play the songs with not only every bit of respect for those songs which i consider personally great songs they're fantastic to play but i give everything i can to do justice to those songs and i'm not trying to mimic anybody else i want the songs that i heard that made me think fuck i love that song i wanted to sound like that for everybody else because i know everybody in the audience had that same okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay 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know the control of one individual to say the albums that we did can't be released because he doesn't want them released the the biographies that he writes can't include them because he wants to have invented the wheel um i am they aren't i am they all of that is you know the fans at the end of the day that go that promote him or load him and and i'm not saying that they shouldn't you know he was the voice on those albums or seminar albums how you can't eradicate that nobody's trying to eradicate that right um but to have that individual say that nobody should see these two was the straw that brought the camera back for me and i just thought if the fans want to see all three of them you can see all three of them if you want to hear all the songs by all three of them you're going to hear them okay maybe not in the same place at the same time but you definitely should have that access well here's the deal you know what all these uh uh individuals that like to talk tonight is the night that you need to put up or shut up go see what i've known for over 30 years venom they're playing tonight at the whiskey this is going to be a performance that again much like the 1984 show here in los angeles is going to be legendary and iconic let me tell you why number one these are the innovators these are the masters and actually now in this day and age with the way uh the economy is get you're gonna get your money's worth oh yeah you're gonna get your money's worth so come on out the whiskey a go-go venom inc will be performing tonight all the tunes and let me tell you this 30 years of music journalism i put my reputation on it excellent let's listen to some venom inc playing legendary and iconic and groundbreaking a track off the black metal record this is black metal live take it away chester okay okay okay Blackout Blackout Lay on your soul Lay on your soul I'm not freaking so wild Nobody's trying You're in a whole new land The wild is so right In the middle of the night The glass is an overlaid door Open the door and the world's gone Black is all going on tonight Black's only a forge Black hole in holes Black is the answer now It's tonight Black metal Black metal Black metal Black metal Lay on your soul Lay on your soul Lay on your soul The metal's in full The metal's in full The metal's in full Lions! Lions! Lions! They love your soul! Lions! Lions! They love your soul! They love your soul! Oh, black mass! On the night of the Witch's Sabbath, the Coven of Thirteen gathers for the black mass of death. Anyway! Oh, no! Oh, no! Oh, no! Oh, no! Oh, no! Oh, no! Blackness! Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. When did you ever Absolutely. And that's what drives it every night because every night it sounds like us rehearsing in a church hall. It sounds like us at some chaotic fucking rehearsal and it sounds great. Did any of you have, did any of you have any reservations prior to that Keep It True performance? Yeah, me. Absolutely. Did you? I said no. Yeah. I absolutely said no. What was the reservation? Did you? Because I didn't, I really didn't envisage myself in any form of venom again. I'd already put a statement out because there was, there was rumours of a venom reunion of the original line-up and I was contacted by the old manager about this and then these rumours seemed to get more and more and every time we went away with Empire, somebody had leaked something because I was getting asked by fans and by promoters, oh, when's the venom reunion? And I was like, for fuck's sake. There's been nothing arranged. There's been nothing agreed. I hadn't spoke to Abaddon at all. The only person I'd been in contact with was the old manager. So, I thought, right, I'm going to send Kronos an email. So I sent him a long, detailed email outlining my thoughts and fully expecting the answer that I got, which, by the way, was very, very polite and agreeing that I should put a statement out to say, look, this isn't going to happen. You know, we're separate entities now. So we exchanged a couple of emails, like I say, very polite, no problems whatsoever. We just said our piece and that was it. I put the statement out. The very next interview he did, he called me worse than shit. He actually said, I don't know why I'm included in that fucking statement and all this kind of crap it's like. And that was at that point, I thought, right, fuck you. I've had enough of this shit. I don't need to take this crap anymore. I know that you're not a psychologist and I know you're not in that realm of the psyche, but is he bipolar? He's a paranoid schizophrenic. There's something going on here with him. He's always feeling it. Is it like someone who's from Poland and from Poland? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. He's a polar bear. When I make this comment to Venom fans, I always either get a backlash or I get the sentiment that I feel. I think at this point, at this day and time, there is no way that I personally have invested my energy, my dedication, my money to Venom. I would not, I would not want to see a reunion with a cronist. And I'm going to tell you why. And I'm not saying this because you're here, Tony. I'm going to keep it honest. I would not want to see what I have already experienced watching Venom Inc. play live, which is that energy, that intense, genuine, sincere, honest energy. Because that resonates back to the audience. Oh, yeah. And I enjoy the joy. Have you seen your audience? How happy they fucking get? You got fucking 50-year-old dudes. They're tripping up like little girls. The point is, I don't think you could replicate that with cronists anymore. No, I honestly don't think so. I think it would be tragic. I don't think so. I think it would be fake. I think it would be false. And I don't even think it would survive. No, it wouldn't. I mean, you know, we've tried the reunion thing again. We even said this to each other in the emails, you know, that we tried the reunion. He actually said like, you know, yeah, we had a blast, but we're very different people, which is actually true, you know. He was talking about himself when he said, you know, he was very different people. He's very Polish. He's very Polish. But the thing is, you know, I mean, there is obviously a lot of people out there who are loyal to cronists, and that's fine. They should be. They should be. But the thing is, don't tell me and don't speak to me about getting the original lineup back unless you've walked fucking half a mile in my boots. Yeah. Because, you know, we've been there through every trial and tribulation. And like I say, what happened in 1980, 1985 was the straw that broke the captain's back for me. That's when I decided this is not a band anymore. This is a fucking traveling circus. It's ridiculous. There's no need for it. And on a personal note, I will come out here right now and say that I believe that this lineup should have happened in 1985 after the Lorelei Festival. That would have been what I would have chose to have done. The thing that's really important to mention here, because I don't want to keep, I don't want to give the impression that I'm, you know, recycling this whole Venom reunion thing. Let's just be straight up and forward and honest about it. It will never happen. Number two. Number two. As I said before, any true Venom fan does not want it to happen. Because tonight, go experience what I'm talking about. Go see what I'm talking about. Go enjoy what I'm talking about. Venom performing on all cylinders, the classic tunes. And guess what? Enjoying it. Exactly. Right? He enjoyed it. And it doesn't mean you're betraying the band. You're betraying Kronos. If you like Kronos and you like his new material, it doesn't mean you're betraying anything by coming to see us. It's like, you know, you're, you know, more is better. You know what I mean? I like, I don't know, fucking cereal. I want, if I've got a bowl full of cereal, it's better than having half a bowl of cereal, my favorite cereal. So more is better. And you have got Kronos, and the material he's doing, and you can see him doing a couple of classic songs, and you have got these guys with me. And, but don't come with that preconception, because at the end of the day, the argument is about me not being him. It's like, I don't need to be him. I need to be me. Of course. They have a synergy. We have a synergy. And you'll get just as much out of it if you come. By the way, I don't think you would look good with a fucking wig with red hair. I don't think. I was thinking about it. Plus, he's got really tiny feet, so I could, I couldn't fit in his boots. Then they rocked my head. You've been going on. I don't try Polish. You've been performing on tour, as I mentioned before, which is the bread and butter right there. That's where fucking, you can talk all you want. You got to get on the road. You've been on the road. You've been proving it time and time again. You've been building your audience. And let me say this, so I don't sound disrespectful. You've been convincing the so-called naysayers when they say that's not Venom. You've been, you've been convincing them. Your audience has been growing. On top of that, the young demographic, the seeds that are now blossoming in this metal field. How do you feel when you see that audience now? Amazes me every single night. Do you enjoy that? Oh, yeah. Does it blow your mind though? Because they weren't even a blood cell. They didn't exist when the first albums came out, you know? Yeah. It's the one biggest difference that we see every night. And we did, from the very beginning, because I was expecting kind of, you know, no disrespect, but I was expecting the whole audience to be made of 40 or 40 somethings. Yeah, right. A bunch of assholes like me screaming at you. Yeah, same. Give me your drumstick. You know, you are a bucket list band, you know, I've got to see you before I die type of thing. But then you're getting all these young people coming out and kicking shit out of it. And why wouldn't they? Because the underground metal scene and the people in the underground metal scene are very, very, they're very intuitive, you know? They look into what happened with certain bands of certain genres in certain eras. And they don't, they don't just invest in the new metal band coming through. They look at who, you know, they've listened to and they look at who they're kind of influenced by. And, you know, people care about it. And then they go back and think, oh, well, hang on, if I like that, I'll probably like this. I'll probably get into that. Remember the girl in Denver, Shannon, we brought on the bus and Tony asked her exactly that. She was 21. Oh, you bastard. No, we were very, very good with that. We just had to make sure we tied 20 times for that. But it was okay. But she, but the thing was, you're 21. How did you discover this? Because we're playing these classics from, you know, 90s. And she said she started with commercial radio, you know, corn slip, not all that. Then someone suggested, oh, if you're into that, you might like this. And she went back and back and then opened up and went all the way back to the beginning. And then she said, I found Venom. I thought, oh my God. And there she was. Now she's got an opportunity to see it. I said, how do you feel now? She went, it was the greatest night of my life. How do you feel about the validation? By your, by your peers, who you influenced as well. James Hesfield has come out and said, this is a fucking incredible show. Amongst other musicians of that caliber were back in the day, they were opening for you. They were inspired and influenced by you, which is another travesty that, don't even get me started on that conversation. But the point is, is when I say Venom is groundbreaking and innovative, they are. If you don't take my word for it, go talk to these huge stars now, these mega colossal metal icons. And they'll tell you, it all started with Venom. How does that make you feel though? Being, uh, honestly? Yeah. Absolutely overwhelms me. Does it blow your mind? It just, cause you don't see me. May I speak frankly with you? You seem so grounded. And again, this is something that I wish I could achieve. You seem so, I would be bitter as fuck. Multi-millionaires, dude. Yeah, I know. Venom. Multi-millionaires. Yeah. How do you stay so grounded? How, what about you? I'm surprised you're not kicking the table right now. I'm about to leave. He's kicking my name. He's kicking my name. I mean, we, we can see Tony. He's getting tattooed every city he goes to. But how do you, how do you stay so grounded? Um. James Hetfield. Venom. That was Venom. They're fucking awesome. They did it for me. But the motherfucker's a multi-millionaire. Yeah, I know. I know. It's, you know, you do sort of think. I'm sorry, by the way, but I had to ask. Stop saying that, John. Just say he's a multi-millionaire again once more to Jeff. I like that phrase, multi-millionaire. I'm going to kick you in the tits. Um, I think it's, I think it's got a lot to do with where we come from as well. Yeah. Um, and especially where I am now, you know, I live in a tiny little village and nobody knows who the fuck I am. Nobody gives a shit who I am. And, you know. How great is that, right? It's, it's, it's great. Yeah, they know I'm a musician and they know when I'm, I'm away and I'm on tour and stuff, but there's no starstruck fucking bollocks or anything. Like that, you know? Um, that's the real wealth, my friend. Yeah. I mean, you know, able to live peacefully and, yeah, I mean, it's, it's for me now. I mean, my values have changed as I've gotten older and older. All I want now is just to be happy, secure, no worries, peace and quiet, peace and quiet. That's it. A door for his barn. A door for his barn. Yeah. And I want a door on the barn. A camel. A camel. But I understand what you're saying about, you know, the, you know, all these bands who, who we have supposedly influenced. You know what drove me nuts? I read an interview where Slash from Guns N' Roses, another fucking guy that drives me nuts. But anyways, he was commenting, he was commenting on the new wave of British metal and he was speaking highly of Venom and it's driving me fucking nuts. All these iconic, which they've been labeled that. Yeah. When I use that word with you, you've earned it. You don't need me to tell you this. You've been on the road all this time. There was a picture of, was it, it was Tommy, Tommy and Nikki Sixx from Motley Crue. That's right. We saw a few weeks ago and there's got a Welcome to Hell shirt on. Like Motley Crue was like, oh my God, that must've been around. You know what? In 84 or 85, I would have been repulsed. And right now in 2016, that's great. Cause guess what? Maybe you'll move more merch. Yeah. Fucking A, great. That would be good. It'd be great to go out with Metallica. We should do that. I don't mind. Did you ever hear the rumor that that was being discussed? What? That you, that a Metallica Venom tour. I've never heard that. But if James, is listening right now, hey man, let's do it. Would you go out on that? Oh, fuck yeah. In a second. I would go out there and open for Metallica. I love those guys. Oh, there. We're going to open for Metallica. Hang on. But you said with a million million. You know what would be really great? You know what would be really great? Is the fact that you would be out on, let's just say, if they were to take you out, you would be, you know, the opening act. But you know, you would kick their fucking ass every night. Just like you did in 83, man. Do you know what it is? I, um, I had a long chat with, um, James and Lars back in, I think it was 2009 when I seen them at Newcastle Arena. And, um, I mean, Lars was saying, you know, so what happened with Venom, man? And I was like, I know, but you know, we just didn't get along with each other. And then James lent in and he says, yeah, but great music, man. And that meant a fuck of a lot. But I also said to them that I think that they deserve every success that they've had because they fucking worked hard with those guys. You know, and the thing is, they, they had fucking good management as well. So, there you go. It helps. You know, if you've got the people around you, now that's another thing. Where we were very independent, almost to the point of being arrogant and obnoxious about things. We wanted to keep control of everything. But I think we needed some fucking manager to turn around and give us a good kick up the ass and say, this is what's going to happen, boys. Otherwise, that's going to happen. And it was unfortunate that that happened. But to be fair, in 1990, something or another, we did a video at the Marquis, and we did an interview as part of that and asked Lars Forlend of a grand. And I never got it. It's the wind. He gave it. He actually, he gave it to me. He gave it to me to give to you. I just never give it yet. Oh, all right. Let's, let's play another track here. This is a track entitled Buried Alive, Raise the Dead. This is from Japan. How did you, you know, one of the things is that before, I love Japan. You've been traveling. Not only have you been touring extensively, but you've been going to different markets around the world. China. Does that blow your fucking mind that not only, not only is your market, your demographic, alive and well and hungry for you three, but around the world. You know, you know, Jimmy, it's something that said, you know, and said time and time again, what's amazing is we went to China, Taiwan, straight to Japan, but then we went to South America. You know, Portuguese, Spanish, Mandarin, you know, we went to, you know, if we go to Russia, we did that with them. I mean, we've been everywhere and we can't speak half those languages in probably 90% of those languages we can hardly communicate. We try and learn something that can have a cup of coffee and thank you very much, but we can play Countess Bathory. And they get it. Which is on the X-Men soundtrack. Only that and Metallica. Go see the film. I went and I fell asleep, but that's not important. But we could play Countess Bathory anywhere in the world and they sing at the top of their lungs. Absolutely. That transcends religion, transcends their language, transcends politics. And a fan here is a fan on the other side of the planet. Other Countess is also available. Venom has been traveling around the world and they've been touring extensively here in the United States. Tonight is your opportunity to go and witness what I have known for over 35 years. The fucking heaviness and brutality and the the innovators. Let me say this again. The innovators. When we come back, I'm going to ask you a question about these so-called black metal bands now and how they say they're fucking, you know, they should really recognize where some actually do, but it drives me nuts how they're like, they're the innovators. Get the fuck out of here. It's not new coke. It's coke. Okay. All right, kids. Let's listen to some fucking, I'm not going to use the word classic. I'm not going to use the word fucking legendary. I'm going to use the word heavy as fuck. Some Venom Live. Chester, take it away. I thought you were going to say spongy. Wherever the unwary sleep, beware the terror of the witch's curse. Wherever the infirm struggle for life, beware the doom of the living dead. Baby! Baby! Baby! Baby! Baby! There's some things in life you can do. There's some things in life you can do. There's some things in life you cannot. This is one of the things you cannot do. Burn! Burn! The witch! When the magic grows, This gaggle is brutal, make them burn Don't burn the witch, we don't have a home Don't burn the witch, let them ruin it all There are witches on the spaghetards Cunning for the fame First in the unifying list Can't stop the unseeing Dressing the old man in black Chatter the hidden foe Lure the angry outlaw Burning hell is cold Don't burn the witch, we don't have a home Don't burn the witch, let them ruin it all When the festival catches on When the We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be buried alive as a witch. We'll be buried alive as a witch. We'll be buried alive as a witch. We'll be buried alive as a witch. We'll be buried alive as a witch. We'll be buried alive as a witch. We'll be buried alive as a witch. We'll be buried alive as a witch. We'll be buried alive as a witch. I love my hair Screaming in time I love my hair I love my hair I love my hair When I smell why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why why Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. As I mentioned before, tonight, the legendary Venom will be playing. Inc. In case the lawyers are listening. Venom will be playing tonight at the Whiskey. Let me mention these dates real quick. June 25th, which is this Saturday, they'll be venturing off to San Diego, the Brick by Brick. Another great venue there. That's the, when I saw you play, that was an incredible show. Then you're going to be going off the 26th to the Rebel Lounge in Phoenix, Arizona. And I believe there's a Vegas date? Yeah, tomorrow. Tomorrow we play a Las Vegas hard rock. Who's routing this tour? You're going from here to Vegas? I've promised. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry about that. It's just, you see how my age comes out? Yeah, I've actually promised that I'm going to Rudy's next fucking holidays. Okay, so Venom is on tour. Make sure you log on and go to Venom on Facebook. Is that the best way to find information? Venom on Facebook or Venom underscore Inc. dot com. Are you doing all that social media shit? The Twitter and the... I do, I do. Tony does it. Tony is all that shit, right? I do, I do. It's all my titties. People think I'm nuts when I say, I loved when I would write a letter, put it in a fucking letter, in a stamp and send the tape off. Fucking right. Pick the fucking phone number. You know what I mean? People are so lazy. The Twitter. I got to do that shit too. It drives me fucking nuts, man. And you got to do it every day. You know, I don't mind the Facebook because I carry this phone. So like anytime some asshole pisses me off, I just... But then when it comes to promotions, I got to do Twitter. I got to do... What else do I got to do, Chester? All that crap that you want? Instagram and all that bullshit. You know what I mean? All right. Here's the deal. I hate when so-called music journalists write that you're just doing a relic show. In other words, the greatest hits. Let's talk about new music. One of the things that I hated when you joined Demolition Man and you were recording material was the fact that, as I mentioned before, damned if you do, damned if you don't. Yeah. The fact is, is you guys are very productive. Let's talk about new music. What's going on with new music? New music. Myself, personally, I've got 10 songs together. Incredible. Yeah. They're all sitting there on the hard drive at demo stage now. So I write constantly. So, you know, whether it's for Venom Inc., whether it's for Empire, for any other project that I'm doing. And I'm assuming with this day and age, with all this fucking madness that's going on in the world, you must have a lot of inspiration, right? Oh, yeah. Coming back from South America and... Oh, that's real world over there. The last American stint in January, when I got home, I loaded into my computer 82 guitar riffs. Wow. Just from the phone. That was just off the bus and sound checks and... That's only for one song. Yeah, that's one song. He's going to layer them all. 10 guitars. All right. Now, let me ask you a stupid question here, and if it's stupid, please, by all means, be kind. I mentioned before the positive dynamic. Do you feel more influenced now that there's no drama, there's no toxicity, there's no fucking pain? Oh, there's still plenty of drama. There's still a lot of fucking vehemence amongst the band. There's a lot of fucking... Tony touched on it before. There's still that kind of inbuilt Venom-ness. But isn't that considered more of the brotherly aspect, you know? Probably, yeah. Right? Yeah. I'm talking about the narcissistic cancer. No. That's bullshit. I mean, that doesn't... That's, you know, non-productive. Which I would assume would make for a very productive energy to write new material. See, it used to do. I mean, it used to do with that person in the band. There used to be the same kind of anger floating about, and it was necessary to go into the music. But you have to step back from that. You have to come off stage. You have to come out of the studio and take that mantle off and put yourself back on again and get on a bus and fucking go home. And if you can't do that, if you can't just sort of sit down and, like Tony said, a couple of days later or a couple of hours later, just go, look, I haven't got the headspace to carry all that bullshit. You know, we need to be doing something which is positive and equally as driven and equally as angry, maybe. But you have to be able to take it off and put it on again. It's a thing. It's a, you know, it's tangible. And it's still within this band. But the negative aspect of it, we quickly nipped that in the bud as much as we could. As much as we can. Yeah. And just sort of say, look, you know, enough's enough and we need to just move on to the next thing, which often has been, because we're doing so many gigs, you know, the show that night. Yeah. And, you know, there's nothing kicks in the tits a lot quicker than people being outside and wanting to see you and wanting to sort of have a little piece of you. Yeah. It's kind of a recuperative process. That kind of recuperative shit hot, you know, that gets you over that bullshit really quick. Because we care about the presentation and because we care about the material and because we care about what we're doing. That is our impetus, really. I would assume that right now more than ever, you all must be eager to put out new material just so you can fucking, number one, reestablish the fact that you are not a stagnant man and that you are all productive and you still have the venomous writing, creating gene. But number two, I would think that you would want to get new material out just because to satisfy yourselves. Oh, yeah. I mean. Right? I'm very creative and I've got to have an outlet for it. It's got to go somewhere or otherwise it drives me nuts. So, yeah, I mean, it'll come. It'll happen. It'll be there. You get into that happy bullshit place again where if we do 10 new songs, 20 new songs and we want to put five of them in the set, which five of the old songs do we leave out? So, you get to that. That. That's a sort of happy circumstance. You know, do we leave out Countless Bathory because we want to put a new song in? Do we leave out Black Metal because we have a new song? Do we leave out Black, you know, Die Hard, Thousand Days, Don't Burn a Witch? What do we leave out? You know, do we just give a three hours, four hours, five hours? People would be happy if we did new music and be happy it was included in the set as long as we didn't move anything out of the set. So, you know, you take 90 minutes and now you're doing like, you know, 180 minutes. You know, we are both bands. We are a band with a past. And with a... With a very productive past. And we're a band that will be writing new stuff and be very proud of that new stuff and want to play that new stuff. It's just how to find the space to do all of it. We certainly wouldn't want to do what other bands may do, which is sort of do a medley of songs just to throw three or four songs together just to say, okay, I played Teacher's Bed Poison and Warhead ran into Don't Burn a Witch, which ran into Thousand Days. It's like, that's not what we're about. Not only that, you would incite a riot. But... Yeah, absolutely. There's always that. Your fucking fans would not stand for that. Let me ask you this, Mantis, because this is a question that I asked very iconic figures where their past sometimes tends to hover over what they're doing in the present. Do you, in any way, shape, or form, find your older material that you wrote that is now considered iconic and legendary, as I mentioned before? Do you find that black cloud over the creative process in the present day? No. Or do you just... Separate yourself from that? Don't think about that? No, no, I don't think about it. No. I mean, I'm lucky in the respect that I've got outlets for everything that I write. You know, I've got Empire of Evil. I've got another band called Drill. I've got Venom. You know, I've got a blues project that I do. So I've got all those outlets. But when it comes to the new Venom Inc. material, you know, just by observing what is going on in the audience, I mean, Angel Dust and Poison. And... And... And... And... And... And... Live Like an Angel. Those three songs are driving the audience nuts. You know, and those three songs, if you're one of these music buffs who analyzes this stuff, it's blues, it's rock and roll. Yeah. That's all it is. That's all it is. Yeah. And that's what I'm going to go back to. You know, it's going to be fucking heavy blues rock and roll. I think Tony said it the other night, black and roll. And that's what's going to be... Oh, you should trademark that. It's already done. By the way, do me a favor. Don't... Don't give permission to any other artist. You used that term, okay? Oh, no. No. Don't make that mistake again, please. New materials being written. You said that you have material that you're working on right now. Can you give us an insight as to what direction Venom Inc. is going or where the... What the sound would resonate or... At the moment, to be perfectly honest, it's going wherever it takes me. I'm allowing the songs to write themselves. If I spend too long... I've always sort of done this. But if I spend too long on a song, I will close the studio project page and move on to something else and revisit it later. I think that songs have got to... They've got to live, they've got to breathe, and they've got to write themselves. Yeah. All the early material that I wrote, and that was the vast majority of Welcome to Hell and Black Metal, both of those albums. A lot. In fact, yeah, the vast majority came together so quick without thinking about it. Isn't that incredible? Isn't that incredible, just the process alone, how it just came and it just... The song that I can... So organic in itself, and then boom. The song I can remember taking the most time over when I wrote it, and this is music and lyrics, was Seven Gates of Hell. And that was my tip of the hat to Ronnie James Dio. Really? Yeah, I could totally imagine him singing that song because of the nature of the lyrics. But I think that that was probably the song that I spent the most time over. But I've told this tale a lot of times now, but fucking... The riffs for Black Metal, that was written when I was taking a dump on the toilet. And that's absolutely fucking true. You know, I've had the question so many times, how did he come up with that riff? Oh, the fucking riffs, the riffs, the riffs. And it's like, you know, some people take a magazine or a newspaper into the toilet, and one particular day I just took my guitar in. I was sitting there with my guitar on my knee, hit some riffs and thought, ah, that's pretty cool. And by the time I'd come out... And sat down and put some more stuff to... That was Black Metal. Wow. It could have been called Brown Metal. Brown Metal, yeah. Chocolate Metal. Chocolate Metal. Intestinal Metal, wow. Wow, what a revelation on this. I think that's the thing. I think when Jeff comes up with riffs and brings them into the studio, and sometimes, you know, we get sort of stuck in and we start laying the shit out of them. Then it becomes Venom. And then it becomes, you know, it just needs that... Three people in a small room. Yeah. A smallish room to kick the living fuck out of it. Yeah. In the past, you know, certainly the first albums and the first singles, the guy from Neat Records was just like, have you got any more? Have you got any more? Have you got any more? And it was like, maybe the songs would have developed more, given more time to play them and to rehearse them. But basically we were throwing them at the wall, running in, kicking the shit out of them, and turned them into Venom music. And they became what they became, you know, kind of really quickly. I think more and more. Yeah. Yeah. And I think my approach is, because I've written also for the thing, and I think my approach on how I've thought is, I know how Jeff thinks when he plays and how he plays. So I write with that in mind, hearing him play this stuff or how Tony approaches it. So it's knowing those other people, not just presenting something that's just a piece, but you're allowing them to put themselves into it. And it becomes greater than you can think. you think I've got a pretty good song there and all of a sudden it becomes more than that much more than that because these are two huge personalities and their way of playing is so specific and so them that when they put their identity it breathes a life that you know you just wouldn't get you could certainly write a song and get other people to play the song but it wouldn't be that song you have to allow each other to do what they do to the music to create what is Venom and I would think that this has got to be the beauty of where you're at now especially in regards to writing new music there's no pressure in other words you don't have a record company going hey give it give me something and you know we need to get it out the only pressure is that we're constantly being asked to do more and more and more live shows and we're not saying no so if we allot a time spot and we say okay we're going to go in the studio in January sorry in July we're kind of our own worst enemy because then somebody comes along and says oh we could go to South America in July and we're like okay then let's do that and that alone in itself as well is validation the fact that there is a hunger out there there's a hunger to see not only all three of you perform but there's a hunger to hear these songs and there's a hunger to experience what they've been reading about or hearing about or even the older demographic to read live that again I love seeing you perform but I'll tell you what I stay in the back and I don't I definitely don't headbang like I used to because of my age but the energy is still there I mean the reward of experiencing the live set and that in itself also is a great thing to see now because there are so many artists that are trying to force that out you know here it is it's like a natural flow that's just coming you know the world is just opening up and they want to absorb what's going on I know you got a show to perform too we're going to cut this short we don't have a date on when this will be released but we do know that you're working on new material and let me emphasize this too the best part of this story is the fact that all three enjoy each other enjoy what they're doing and it's all organic when you have those components that just equals some fucking heavy shit oh yeah absolutely with that Chester play one more song and then we're going to come back and wish the fellas well we're going to send them off to the Whiskey A Go Go tonight make sure you go see Venom Inc. they're performing tonight at the Whiskey mark these dates down for those of you that are in Los Angeles you got to venture out to beautiful San Diego San Diego sexy guess what Venom is coming down there to fuck you guys hard like they did last time brick by brick the 25th the 26th the Rebel Lounge Phoenix Arizona tomorrow you'll be in Los Vegas where will you be playing at in Las Vegas hard rock in Las Vegas oh Jesus Christ the hard rock that place is going to crumble man yeah make sure you get out and you see Venom perform this is one of the shows you do not want to miss you've heard about it you've read about it go experience it I've been there and let me tell you something you're going to love it with that Chester play us another Venom track okay okay okay okay Some ladies transporting the crown Into the pits of this unholy row Do it all alone Down into the lilethroom Live then die Satan calls his evil child Strengthens his force at the darkness falls Laughs at the angels that people call High on their fortress, death from those before All at attack with the dark evil lord Do it all alone Down into the lilethroom Strike the final chord Hail unto the albion!! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! High on a ridge where the dark noise stands Scent that leaves a crust of land That is a city transported by ground Ever low, ever down Into the heavens I'll burn Now in the bleakness the elders repent Thinking of history the agents relent Covered in circles before their hearts There's no one so indesirables Do it all alone Way down to the high of the hill Strike the final blow Hail up to the other land All right. Let me first start off by saying, gentlemen, I want to thank you for taking the time to venture into downtown Los Angeles and spend time with me here. It's been hell, Jimmy. Thank you. Thank you for fucking dealing with my ass. Let me just say this. In this day and age, there are very few things that really are very powerful. You know, everyone talks about it. Right now in the United States, we have this presidential race. Yeah. You know, the real power is when you can touch, touch the inner soul. You've all been doing this for over 30 years. Okay. The fact, Tony, or demolition man, you've come into this situation and you've enhanced this, keeping this power alive in conjunction with the energy that you two have. As a fan and as a human being and as an adult male, I want to thank you so much for what you're doing and the fact that you're doing it from the heart and you're doing it from the heart. You're doing it sincerely and you're doing it genuinely because not only are those traits evaporating in our society nowadays, but you are literally re-injecting positivity into the youth in a world that is so fucking negative. Tonight, the whiskey is going to be fucking hellacious. Okay? But in a positive way. Yeah. And I want to thank each and every one of you for doing what you've been doing collectively as Venom. Thank you for being on The Very Mad. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you, Jimmy. Thank you, Jimmy. Great show, man. With that, we're going to end it with Welcome to Hell. Get out to the whiskey tonight. Make sure you get down there also. Nick Refrage is going to be playing San Diego Saturday, Las Vegas tomorrow. Get out there. Go see the legends. Salud Fortress. Get your ass down there. Black metal it is. Welcome to hell. Thanks for listening. See ya. See ya. See ya. See ya. See ya. See ya. See ya. See ya. I want to see how loud you can go. Yeah! Let's change life, I guess. Yeah! Yeah!