Boxing cut man Rudy Hernandez discusses his craft

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Former college football player, Seth Mitchell. He's good, huh? Good guy. Good fighter, good guy. I think that... I hope that he does well. Matchmaker's dream, dude. Seth Mitchell, Chris Areola. Ooh. I want to see that fight. Yeah, I want to see that fight. He says, ooh, and I say, who? Chris Areola from Riverside. Tough, aggressive guy. He challenged for a world title against Vitaly Klitschko. Lost. Stopped in 10th. 10 rounds, but... Is that guy tough, man? I mean, he just seems so... Like, when you see him fight, probably because he's so big. Right? Klitschko? Klitschko, he's... The brothers are good. Yeah. No, these guys, from what I've seen, they can give a lot of punishment, but they can't absorb a whole lot. They're givers, not takers. But they've been getting a lot of giving. Yep. And barely getting any taking. Yeah. What is it? Is it just a reach? They have a skill set? What is it? Look, when I saw Areola fight, I remember saying this to my wife. I said, you know what? This guy is not going to win tonight. I said, but he has what it takes to win. All he has to do is know how to fight him and how to go about doing it, because when he was able to take his punches and... For 10 rounds, and I mean, for people out there who like to say, oh, I don't know, he's out of shape, Areola didn't stop moving for 10 rounds, and he was in the guy's face. He just got pounded on. I mean, he just got pounded on against a big... I mean, as awkward as Vitaly is, he's just effective. For his style, I think with the right game plan, Areola could beat Vladimir. That's what I was saying. That's what I told my wife. I said, he's not going to win tonight, but if he can... He just got to make a couple of adjustments and be in a position to make him fight in every round. I'm... I'm almost sure that if he doesn't beat him, he takes a... He may lose maybe a split decision, but I know that he can beat him. I felt that he could beat him. But you have to have a plan. And if it doesn't work, then you have to go to resort to whatever else you have to win within your powers. But if something doesn't work, then you change it. You move on. You try. But again, you know, when you go same thing round after round after round, not working for you, you're not making changes, then, you know, what's the whole purpose of working out? I mean, you've been all these years in the gym and this is the best you've got. I think that... And that's what bothers me about boxing today. I just don't see that anymore. Question. Have you ever gotten to that point with a fighter where you say, all right, this isn't working, this isn't working, let's get out? Yes. A couple... Like I told you earlier, Gennaro Hernandez fought Floyd Mayweather Jr. You know, there comes a time where you just gotta say, you know, I think we've had enough. You know, we'll save it for tomorrow. There's some fighters that you just you let them fight to the end because they can change a fight with one punch. And so you gotta give them that. But then there's other fighters like Nestor Rocha, you know, not the biggest puncher in the world. And if he's getting abused or pounded on, there's no need for him to get hurt. You pull him out. Let me ask you back on that point. Is that what was going on in the corner for the Kirkland-Molina fight in Texas? That fight ended on a disqualification. No, no, no, but I'm saying... Oh, stop it, dude. No, no, but what I'm saying is what you're talking about. All right, this isn't working, this isn't working, do we keep him in there because we know he could change it with one punch? Do we keep Kirkland there? Well, Kirkland, he's gotta fight until the last bell. Because he can change a fight with one punch and knock a guy out. And so, James Kirkland is a guy that if I'm training him or working with him, he's the guy that I will keep there and I don't care how... I'm not gonna... I can't sit here and tell you that I'll let him take a beating. I don't know if I will let him take a beating, but close to it. Close enough to where yeah, chances are I'm gonna be criticized for letting him take that much punishment, but when you have a guy that can punch as hard as he can, you know, anything is possible. So, you know, as a trainer, when you get guys that come in and want to fight, can you usually tell right away, like, this guy's got potential, this guy doesn't, or can you mold someone who you see doesn't have much potential into a good fighter? Is that even possible? Yeah, sometimes. Sometimes it's, like, I'll give you an example, man. When Antonio Margarito came over, I didn't think much of him. I didn't think that he would be the guy that goes on to make the kind of money he made. And if you asked me, if you would have asked me back then, I would have told you, you know what? Save your money and put it... There's more guys out there that are more skillful, and I think that you can do more with them, as opposed to this kid, Antonio Margarito, at the time. And look what happened with him. A lot of it, you think, would be... Let me ask... Let me ask you, will you take discipline over talent? I'll take discipline. I mean, look, we talk about Margarito. Guy's not fast, doesn't punch hard, but the guy works out like a mother. Yeah, Carlos Hernandez did too. And he'll throw volume. And look at these guys, went on to become world champions. And I've always said this, you know, like, a lot of guys, a lot of guys that put in the work and make the sacrifices are the ones that end up winning. You know, there is so much talent out there that never made it. You know... But what do you think that's attributed to, though? If they got so much talent, was it just they didn't execute it right? Or they didn't get the right shows, right managers? I mean... Lazy? But that's what... That's... I think that's pretty much in a lot of sports, where, you know, the guy's gifted, but he just won't make the sacrifices. He won't put in the time or the work. Look, I'll give you another example. Look at Leo Santa Cruz. He just became a world champion. You know... Great performance last Saturday over there. I think... I didn't... I haven't seen the fight, and based on what I read, don't even need to see it. And I pretty much have already pictured in my head, you know, pretty much how he went down. You know, he won every round. He threw a lot of punches. He blocked the... You know, he blocked him blocking, and then he lets his hands go, and it just... You know, he wins every round. And, um... So, like I said, I pretty much already know how that fight played out. And, um... But then you look at Charles Huerta. Charles Huerta came out of... They both came out at the same time as amateurs. They fought one tournament here in Carson. They both, you know, went on to lose, and they went... They turned pro after that. Look at where one's at now, and look at the other. And if you compare both of their styles in the amateurs, you would see Charles, you know, he has some really good movement. He had... You know, he looked a little bit more like a kid you might want to invest in. You're right. But look at... Right now, Charles is in limbo between golden boy and top rank, and Leo Santa Cruz is... He's a world champion because he put in the work. He goes to the gym every day, and he trains. May not... May not... May not be the most talented guy, but he puts in the work, and he trains really hard, and it's paid off. Now he's a world champion. And the other one is like at the verge of... He's more like being a could-have-been because at the end of the day, time... Time only... There's only so much... Time... You have to make it... To capitalize on it. If you can't... And if you ain't done it yet, then, you know, maybe it's time to look into doing something else. What is the longevity of a boxer? I mean, what do you... Like, if you started with a guy who's, let's say, 20, I mean, that might be pretty old, obviously, because when you hear a lot of boxers, they say, I started boxing when I was 7 or 8 or something, but... What's the longevity of a boxer? It depends. It depends on the... It just depends on the athlete and the kind of... You know, the kind of fighter or person that he is and how he's taking care of himself as he got older. It's not just so much about the amateurs. And the amateurs, you know, it's a lot of work. And they put in a lot of work in the ring, you know, in amateur fights and at the gym and sparring. But nowadays, I go to the gym and I listen and I watch. And not many kids are being developed anymore. Now you have... sparring every other day as opposed to, like, every day. There's a big difference when it comes to sparring and fighting. You know, there's guys in the gym that will say that I'm no good. That I get the fighters beat up too much and blah, blah, blah. But at the end of the day, man, if that's something that you're worried about, you're in the wrong sport. In the wrong sport, man, you better go do something else with your time. And I tell these guys, I say, you know, boxing is not for everybody. So, if you want to... When they come to me and they say, well, can you help me? Yeah, I can try. But at the end of the day, if you're willing to put three hours of your time in the gym, I think you'd be better off doing it in school. Go to school. Get a trade. I think you'll benefit more from that as opposed to coming to the gym. If it were up to me, a lot of these gyms would be empty. Because, you know, you look back and you say, well, who's going to make it? I sat at the gym. The other day. And I'm not going to say what gym. And I go, look around you. Look around you. And I ask, you tell me who's going to be a world champion. And I asked an ex-world champion, Vasquez. I asked him, look around you, man, and you tell me, who do you see being a world champion? He gave me this big old smile and he could not name one of them. Not one guy there. He said, oh, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, a nutritionist, which is important, I think. But other than that, man, learn the box first. Learn, learn your, become a, get your skills in order and then, and then everything else can fall into place. If that's the puzzle that you want, then great. But learn the freaking box first. You can cuss, man. You're okay. We're not censored here. Well, I want to come off, I don't want to come off too bad like a dumbass. You can cuss. It's all right. Yeah. Is that, was that Nick? Yeah. I was like, who was that? Yeah. Who was that? I was like, man, I thought it was Noah. I said, Hector's got some ventriloquist skills. I know. Actually on this, I have kind of a theory of my own as of why boxing isn't what it used to be. I think personally is because a lot of the other sports started making more money because back in the day, boxing was where the real big money was. You didn't get money, that much money in baseball or basketball. Definitely still not in hockey. You know, so who wants to sacrifice and live the fighter's lifestyle when they can, you know, practice bouncing a ball or running over people? Yeah. How many baseball players do you got coming from the ghetto? How many baseball players or basketball players you got coming from the ghetto? That's the thing about boxing, see? Our ghettos? Our ghettos, meaning Los Angeles. Oh, okay. What you said, which is the thing about boxing that appeals to guys that don't participate in those sports, is boxing's not at the college level. Baseball, you have a draft, boom, guys coming out of college. Football, draft, guys coming out of college. NCAA basketball, boom, oh shit, we want to make it to the big show. Boxing, hell, you start training young, you don't see boxing at the college level too. You could take an absolute nobody, dude. A guy who came from nothing and the guy could become a multi-millionaire. I'm Manny. Boxing gives us so much, man. You have no idea. I mean, I've traveled, you know, to many countries outside of the United States, man, you know, you know, great hotels, social hotels, you know. You've got a little bit of everything, man, but, you know, but when we travel, we travel, we get taken care of. Man, they put us in nice hotels, you know. Like the UFC, man, I've been with them here. I went to Australia, Japan. I've been to Japan, like, many, many times already. You're Japanese, dude. Almost. And, um, but, you know, it's like, it hadn't, I look back and I say, man, what a great life, man. If I die tomorrow, I can honestly tell you, man, that I die a happy man. I've had it all. I've had, I mean, what am I missing? Grandchildren? I think kids are overrated. That's just me. You know, but that's just me. You're right. Boxing does, does give a lot. Yeah. How'd you, how'd you start becoming a cut man, though? Because this seems to be, well, from what you read, there's almost like a science to being a good cut man. Not necessarily science, but you gotta know what you're doing. Unless you're just sitting there ironing someone's face with that little cold iron. I got a big cold iron. This guy, this guy keeps a big ensual. Yeah. You know. Oh, what's it called? Geez, Hector. Ensual. They call it an ensual. Well, correct me, man. I'm a rear naked Tokyo. You know that, um, back in the early 90s, I saw Nacho Bedi-Stine working with, um, with one of his spiders and it was just, him and another guy. And, and it wasn't Juan Manuel Marquez. It was another guy. I think, maybe it was Victor Cabanales. And, um, it was just Nacho Bedi-Stine and another guy. Two guys in the corner. That's it. That was it. He was the cut man, the instructor. He did everything. And I remember, I remember asking John Montes if, if, um, you know, if he could help me out, you know, become a cut man. So, in case, you know, one day that he may not be there or, you know, I'm needed, then, you know, then I can step in. But, um, but, you know, he, he had made a promise to the person that had taught him not to ever reveal, you know, his secrets. And, um, and I mean, I understood. At the time, it was, it made sense. But then as I, as time went by, I, um, I decided that, you know what, I'm going to do this. And I, and I ended up running into Nacho Bedi-Stine in Japan, of all places. And, um, and I asked him, if there was like a school that you could go to or, you know, to learn to be a cut man. And, um, I had asked, no, I'm sorry, I asked Miguel Diaz first in Japan. And he started laughing. He thought it was like the funniest thing ever. And, um, and then he goes and he tells Nacho Bedi-Stine. And, um, and, and he's laughing. He's, he's laughing. He's cracking up telling him the story. And so then Nacho turns around, looks at him and in Spanish he pretty much told him, look, fucker, instead of laughing at the guy, man, why don't you help him? He's, he's up and coming and we're old, you know, so why would you not want to help him? And, um, and, and, and Miguel Diaz was in, you know, he's like, well, he didn't, he didn't have a comeback. He was put on the spot. Yeah, he was put on the spot and he didn't have a comeback. And, um, and Nacho said, don't worry about this fucking, this fucking Argentinian. I'm not laughing. I'm gonna go fuck himself, man. We don't need him. And then he goes, I'm gonna fucking give you some medicine, man. And this is what you're gonna need. And that's all you need, man. And then, you know, they pretty much told me that when I cut, you know, this is what you do and how do you go about it. But, it's all fine and dandy when they tell you about it, man. But, it's not, it's not the same when it's time to get in there and do it. Because you got like a minute, right? You got a minute to do it. No, you got less than a minute. Well, yeah, by the time you get your chair and go in there and sit down and ice the guy. You start to work on him, you know, if you're lucky, you get 48 seconds, you know. And, but it's not, it's not so much. The 48 seconds, it's about you getting in there and knowing, you know, having the confidence to go in there and do it. But how did you get started? Obviously, because you had to practice on somebody, right? So, like, did you do like, just at the, at the gyms? I did one fight and then I went and told Carlos Hernandez that I could be his cut man, that I could do this. And so, he fought some kid from Chihuahua, from Juarez. Ranchero? Ranchero Ramirez, I believe it was. Yeah, he's from Juarez. And he, and he got caught in the, I think it was like the second, in the second round and it was one of the, it was a small, it was kind of a small cut, man, but that thing kept bleeding, man, and it just wouldn't stop. But, it wasn't going into the eye. You know, it was all over his face because that's what made, that was like, almost like fight of the night, I think. And, and it brought so much drama because Carlos was bleeding the whole fight and, and every, and the, the doctor went in a few times, Dr. Margaret, and Adam, and, and it, you know, so, keep going. You can fight. And I kept them in the fight, but, they were, I wasn't too happy with, with my performance, you know, I wasn't able to stop the cut, so, but I kept them in the fight. And I remember walking out of there, feeling disappointed that I didn't, that I felt like I let him down and, and, and somebody told me, hey Rudy, man, stick to training and forget about being a cut man, man, that's not your gig. You know, your fighter needed a real cut man out there. And I'm like, I, maybe so, but, fuck him, you know. It, it starts somewhere and that's where, I just let, I, I went back and the doctor, Dr. Hicks was there. Perlman? Hicks? Yeah. And, and, I told the doc, I said, doc, man, you know, what could I have done better? And he said, the only way you would have stopped this bleeding, man, is if you would have had things that I have in the operating room and those are illegal. So, you did a great job. You got, you got him through the fight and so you shouldn't be, you know, don't, don't kick yourself in the butt too much, man. You did a great job, man. He, he won and, and he was bleeding from the second round so you got nothing to worry about. You did a great job. Quick info for all our listeners, Dr. Perlman Hicks. He's a doctor here with the California State Health Commission. Plastic surgeon. Yep. That's the man. That's the man. He's a real great guy. Shout out to Dr. Hicks. Um, and that boosted my confidence, man, and I can't, I stuck to it. After that, that's when I started working with the UFC. It's, how many, just real quick, how many fights do you actually felt, you know, super comfortable? Was it like five fights? First one. Yeah, first one, you ready to go? I was ready to go. I believed that I could do it. But is that because you've probably seen the stuff in the gym when you're, you know, training people? No. No? No. That rarely happens in the gym. So you can't really get ready for it. Let me just, a lot, a lot of it too, I mean, as when you're working as a cut man, I mean, a lot of it has to do with the fighter too, right? I mean, some, some, some, some guys have had old cuts that reopen again. Some guys don't let their cuts heal properly afterwards. Well, that's, that, yeah, that's, that's always, that's always the key. It's always going to happen. But at the end of the day, man, your job is to go in there and keep them in the fight, you know, keep them, you know, and, and, and do, do your best to your abilities, man, to make sure that you, you keep them in the fight. Because at the end of the day, man, that's, he's depending on you and, and you have to do your job, man. If you, if you don't, then you screw it up for him. Yeah. His next payday won't be that big of a chunk. I'll give you a quick example. Mike Alvarado, when he fought Prescott, he got busted up pretty bad. Dude, I, you know what? It's good that you bring that fight up. Guy, everybody on YouTube, on, everybody, all of our listeners, if you want to go up and look at that fight, Mike Alvarado, against the greatest Prescott, that was on the Marquez Pacquiao three undercard. If you see this horrible cut on Mike Alvarado's lip, I was, when I was watching it on home radio, I was thinking to myself, dude, they're going to stop that fight. Because you saw the corner of his mouth. I mean, it was, I, I had read from Margaret Goodman that when, that whenever you get a cut in the mouth, whenever it gets close to that, it gets close to that border, it stopped. And when I saw his lip just flying out, out on the side, I was like, Oh, that looks, that looks, that looks bad. How do you get that though? Dude, they were, they were fighting in a phone booth. They were fighting in a phone booth, man. And I thought, I thought they're going to stop it. But I mean, he persevered. Rudy kept him in the fight. And afterwards, man, he had that piece dangling off right here. It was, it was, it was nasty and over the eye. Yeah. He had two, he had two cuts that, um, that threatened, that threatened his, uh, his undefeated record as well. And his rating. But, um, I'm hoping that guy gets a title shot soon, but I heard he had a pretty good cut man that night. So stop. Oh, wait a minute. That was me. Yep. Yep. Yep. Shameless, shameless self-promotion, but no, he did. He did. I mean, at that, I mean, the cut on his eye happened in, what was it? Six round. No, I think the fourth, fourth or fifth round. I mean, for me, and it was, what was your reaction when you first saw it, when it came to the corner, you're like, oh shit. I said, sit down and shut the fuck up. That's what you told him? Yeah. Yeah. He started to say, he started to say something about the eye. And I told him, you know, and, and my quick response there was, you know, shut the fuck up, man. You still, you're good. You still have another eye regardless, you know? And, um, but it's like, those are, those are moments that, um, it's a quick reaction. Everything, you have to react quick and, and you can't be, you cannot sit there and think about things, man. You, you, your whole thing is reaction because it's like, uh, I've been saying this last couple of years is that, you know, sometimes you get your friend to go in there and help you in the, in the corner. But it's, it's, um, I think it's all bullshit. You know, you have to have people that, um, that are experienced there because at the end of the day, I ask this question and you can ask anybody and they'll tell you, well, we get about 45 seconds. And I always say, no times three, because there's three guys in the, in the ring. And if they all work together, how many, that's 135 seconds, right? So now you got a hundred, he got 135 seconds out of it. But if one of them drops the ball, then the fighter's not getting it, you know? And, and I think that, um, when you want to learn, to do this, then you start at, um, go to the amateur show or go to the gym, just to go to the gym and, and, and, and be there, you know, time yourself and, and work at it and try to be the beast, the best that you can be. But if not, then, um, you know, don't learn, don't try learning, you know, at the fight, at day of the fight. Is it important what you say to right now? I mean, I mean, cause I thought about it when, you know, Mike came to the corner and you told me, shut the fuck up. Also being as a cut man, what you tell a fighter. Cause I mean, at least I've seen guys, fighters, when they're cut, they, they're bleeding and, and that's it, dude. I mean, mentally they're not there. I'll give you an example. Juan Diaz, Nate Campbell, Juan Diaz, Juan Manuel Marquez. The first time, first time around, Victor Ortiz, Marcos Maidana. They get cut in. That's it. They, they, they, they, they, they seem to fall apart. Is it important? Like instill confidence in a guy that the cut's not all that. Well, of course, of course. But, but my whole thing is like, that's supposed to be on you. You know, you, this, this shouldn't even be a problem because this is the sport that you pick. And you know that these things are going to happen eventually. And if, and when they do, it's like, it's no big deal. Don't worry about it. You can't even fucking see it to begin with. I said, what the hell are you worried about? Worry about it after, you know, but for the, for the time being, man, when that bell rings, you got three minutes to solve that fucking problem in that round. If not, then this sport is not for you. You know, it's like, it's okay to quit. I understand that there's times where, you know, a guy had just had, he's had enough already. And, you know, it's, somebody has to save him. Or if he decides that he just doesn't want to be there anymore, then, you know, it's okay. But, but don't panic and do it. I think Ortiz learned a, a, a big lesson in, in that fight. I think that he panicked. It was more of him panicked. It was more of a panic than him wanting to quit. I think he panicked. And he was, he was young, you know, mentally young. Not, I'm not going to say young in age, but I think he was just mentally young. And, and you saw how, how he bounced back. And, and today he's, I think he's, he's a lot better for it. What's been the worst cut you've seen? MMA or, MMA or Buckton's matter? The knee to the face. Man, look at, look at, look at, look at, look at, look at, look at, look at, look at, look at, look at, look at, look at, look at, look at, look at, look at, look at, look at, look at, I've got some really, really good ones, man. Really huge cut that you, you, your, your mouth will drop, you know, because it's like, are you serious? You know, but, and they've been in MMA at the UFC. Well, okay, MMA, now, okay, let me ask you this. Approaching fights as a cut man in MMA. I mean, I'm, I'm sure there's, there's different challenges you as a cut man have to deal with, one, I mean, you could treat it, you treat a cut in between a round, but say there's a potential for during the fight, a finger to get in there. Say if it's, I don't know, somewhere on the cheekbone, these are things you got to deal with, right? Of course, you know, we, we, I'm ready. I'm, I, I have to be ready at all times, especially, especially with the UFC, because, you know, I mean, in a split second, something can happen, and in boxing as well, too, you know, but, but more, more in the MMA, you know, you're going to, you get, you know, because you get, you get knees, elbows, kicks, you know, eventually something's going to crack, you know, and, and their, their, their cuts are by far, you know, more gruesome, you may say, but I don't find them gruesome, but I think they're, they're fascinating, you know, pretty cool, you know, and I get, I go, I, I get to go in there and work on them, and, and keep them in the fight. As bad as the cut may look, we keep them, we've been able to keep them in the fight. I think there's, been like maybe once or twice where a fight had to be stopped because of the cut, and that's, and, but I'll tell you, man, I, I've had some really, really nice ones, man. One of our buddies that trains out of Newbury, Chicago, Eddie Winland, just had a fight. He had a nice, nice little cut all the way from a knee. I, yeah, I'm looking at the picture right now, and it's reminded me, I, I once posed the same question to Tony Rivera, and I asked him, Tony, which is, one of the worst cuts you ever see, and he was telling me, Marco Antonio Barrera against, Amir Khan. Amir Khan. And he was telling me, I could stick my pinky in the thing. I was like, are you serious? He goes, yeah, it was that bad. Yeah, I've had, I've had, quite a bit of, more, more than I can count in one hand. Hmm. So, but the worst you've seen in MMA. They've been in MMA. Yeah. That looks gross, dude. Yeah. Well, is there a, does every state have different things that you're allowed to bring in as a cut man, or is it all the same everywhere? It's the same everywhere. Vaseline. Vaseline. One thousand. What is it? Adrenaline. That's all I use. I don't use anything else. I like my job. Yeah. I like doing what I do. I know, I know other cut men use Avatin and Thrombin. Yeah, but, adrenaline. I've been told by a few doctors, you know, it's all you need. And, and I don't, again, I don't, I'm not, like I said, I like my job, and I really enjoy what I do, man, so I don't think that, I don't, I don't have to resort to anything else that, that's going to get me banned. Like I said, I just, I like what I do, and the last thing I want to do is not make, not make a living at what I like. But it's nice when you can make a living at what you like. Yeah. Great, man. It's just interesting that, I, well, I guess, I don't know if there's a, a list of saying, hey, there's these 10 things you guys can bring, and some people prefer to bring those or not, but I guess, you know, people are always cheating the system somehow. So I don't, I mean, I don't know if you see that a lot, or, or if, maybe you've heard about it. Okay, I've heard about it. Yeah. But, I, the way I look at it, man, it's none of my business. It has nothing to do with me. You know, what they do, and how they go about doing their things, you know, that's on them. You know, it's, again, man, I'm, I go by the book, you know, and I'll argue my point, you know, like, I know that there's certain things I can do with hand wraps, and there's other things I can't, and it bothers me, because I'm being told by a commissioner, you know, well, you can't do this. Well, don't tell me what I can do. I mean, I can do it. Now, am I supposed to? No, maybe not, right? Because you're a rule of state. Well, well, just because you're a rule of state, don't mean that they're always right. I mean, you give me, you give me the, the hand wraps, and how I'm, how I, deal with them, and do what I do, then, how is that cheating? Why are you going to come and tell me what I can and can't do, when you provided me, the, the goss? You know, so, how I do it, shouldn't be none of your business, because it's what you provide me, and I can, and, and I, and I upset them. They say, well, what you're doing is like, you know, you're, you're creating a cast, and, and, and I think that's bullshit, man, because, I'm, I've yet to ever, cut the hand wraps off of a fighter, and have them, feel like they've been, altered, hard, that, the, the, after the fight, they, they, they get hard. Come on, man, you can, I, I guarantee you that, you can put, goss, tape, goss, tape, ten times, over and over again, and have a guy fight, six rounds, and I guarantee you that, when he gets out of that ring, and you cut that goss off, there's nothing hard about it. If anything, they've gotten softer, because, they've gotten wet, and, you know, the, the tape, what happens when the tape gets wet? It loosens. It loosens up. And the goss as well, you know, after all the sweat, they just break down. There's, nothing hard about it. Now, if I was using something else, like, illegals, crap, yeah, you'll see the difference. But do you think that whole aspect, and then, you know, the way boxers fight, do you think boxing needs, like, something to change the rules, about that stuff? I mean, you need some rule changes in the system? Do you think it's just all old school rules, maybe, that they used to have? Yeah, but, on the same token, they, these are rules that were back, back in the day, and, like, they talk about, like, you can't put, you shouldn't put tape on top of the knuckles. Like, like that helps. Come on, man, it don't even help at all. It don't even, it won't even make a difference. When you think about it, as soon as you start sweating, it gets soft. I'm telling you, it doesn't, it doesn't get hard, but, no, you gotta, you gotta go an inch behind the knuckles. Okay, and? What's the purpose of the hand wraps? Protect the hands. To protect the hands. And what happens when you can't protect the hands? The guy loses work. Whether he can be making money as a sparring partner, or he can be, or he can't take a fight because his hands are hurt. And my whole thing is like, I use what you provide, and I keep him in the fight, and it doesn't, I just, and I just learned this recently, is that, I don't, what I do doesn't enhance his punching power. It may seem like it, but it doesn't. But I can tell you this, that so far, the guys that I've wrapped hands, starting with my brother, they, they haven't broken a hand yet. There are big differences in your wrap, the way you wrap for boxing and MMA. Can you touch on those? Just a little, but not a whole lot. I mean, obviously it's less gauze, right? Just a little bit less gauze. Just a little, not a whole lot, but just a little bit. You know, and some guys don't like no, they just don't like a whole lot of gauze either. Or tape, you know. So, I've had one guy this last show, he just didn't want to be, he didn't want to have his hands wrapped. So, we just put a couple of, we just put one turn on the wrist, and one turn on the, above, right behind the knuckle, and that was it. And he was happy. He was just happy with that. Just tape? That was it. Just tape. One and one. And that was it. Because they said that he had to have tape. And so, that was enough for him. He didn't want anything else. And then this other guy said, you know, they want their hands properly wrapped. And again, you know, it just depends on the individual. So, for MMA, they say, like, they're not required then to have their hand wrapped. I mean, if the guy wants two loops of tape, boom, he's free to do it. Was that in California or another jurisdiction? And in boxing as well. If a fighter doesn't want to get wrapped, so who's the person to get his hands wrapped? Actually, I was at a... I never knew that. Yeah, I was at a fight yesterday, and the guy, first time I've ever seen it, you know, I was being a camo inspector trainee, right? So, I was looking at, the guy didn't want his hands wrapped, he just put his gloves on. He was like, I don't need padding when I hit a... His face. Okay. Yeah, but the part that they don't understand, and I did this in Santa Ana, at the Orange County, the Orange County... The hangar? Yeah, I... Kid named Manny, he, you know, I felt like I cheated him out of a... out of a... out of a good job, because I didn't do my job. You know, the gloves were so small that if I would have wrapped them the way I normally wrap, his hand wouldn't have been able to fit in that glove. So, I... At the time, I assumed that because they have enough cushion on the glove, and then, you know, that that would be more than enough for him, and that he should be okay with that. Boy, was I wrong, because 45 seconds into that fight, he broke... He knocked the guy out. He knocked him out, but at a price. He broke his hand, and the both knuckles, the in knuckles, and that's why he broke his hand, because he was... He hit with the side, you know, with this part of the hand, and it just... His knuckles ended up back here. But he... When he hit him, he cracked him with everything, and he knocked the guy out. He won, but it cost him... His knuckles ended up in his wrist? Yeah. That's how bad it was. And I was like... And I don't think... I don't think I ever want to do this again. I think that if I'm going to wrap his hands, then I want to be able to do what I do. If not, then maybe somebody else should wrap his hands. What do you do with that, though? If you can't... If you wrap his hands and don't fit into the gloves, you give them... You give them... You give bigger gloves. Okay. Yeah. I don't know. Because the UFC has them. Oh, okay. At the other place, they didn't have extra gloves. But there's some... Bigger just in size, but, I mean, the weight's the same? Bigger in size. I mean, you know, the bigger they get, I mean, it's going to weigh more. But, you know, there's a guy that I think every time he fights, I forget his name, but he's a big guy, man. And his hands are huge, man. So you know he's not going to be with your... You're not going to... You can't use the common gloves with him. You know you got to get special gloves for him. Made especially for him because that guy's hands are massive, man. So he's got... He has extra large. Yeah. Can't... Shane Carwin's got some big old hands like that. I mean... Like, can't... Hands of hand. Just his hands. I'm trying to remember what heavy weight. Oh, the old guy, Sonny Liston, he had to have special gloves made for himself. Yeah, for his fights. Yeah, because the hands are so huge. I'm trying to remember what current heavy weight couldn't use the regular 10-ounce Grants. He had to get the... The Grant XL brought in for him. Oh, man. Another heavyweight. He had big hands. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Flopped against Lennox Lewis doing two rounds. Grant. Oh, Grant. Michael Grant. Yeah, I heard him. That's right. Don House was telling me about him. Now, what... Now, is Don... Now, look, Don House and his role in the UFC, is it as a cut man? He's a cut man. See, okay, I was under the impression it was just you, Jacob Duran, and Leon Tabs was one of my favorites. Don House. Don House as well? It was Leon... Leon was the OG. Don House, then Stitch, and then I. Oh, so you're the one that's what behind the ears. Yeah. You should have given me Stitch's number, dude. Leon Tabs and House, House were the first ones. Oh. They were the first ones. So there's only four of you guys? There's five of us now. Oh, okay. There's a few of us. There's a couple of more of us. You know, it's like, like, Rob Monroe. Uh-huh. Good old Ted Lucio. You know Ted? Mm-hmm. He's a nice guy. All the guys are. Rob. Rob's a really cool guy, too. Then we have Brad Tate, you know, from Vegas. He's the least known. And then we have Weetzie out in San Jose. Okay. You know, Arturo Mota. Arturo Mota. Oh, he, I didn't know Arturo Mota was. Yeah, he's, he's going, he was with Strikeforce. I said, you know, Strikeforce came over. Good hand rapper. He's a good, you know, we got a good group of, of guys, you know. Oh, that's great. They're all top guys. Real, real pleasure to work with as well. Yeah. I like some boxing, man. Oh, come on. Give me a hug. I would, but. You guys can save that for dinner. I'm gonna kiss you. Just hug him from behind. He is gonna take you out to dinner, I heard, so. Yeah, dude. I'm waiting. All right, man. Well, it looks like we're wrapping up about an hour here, so. You got anything? It went quick, didn't it? Yeah. It did go quick, dude. That, that's, that's the way, that's the way it goes here. It's good roll. Noah, dude, do you want, do you want to add anything, bro? I've been, I've been waiting for you, from you, man, all night today. No, I'm good. I was just listening. That was a lot of wisdom. So, it was, it was good to hear. You need a cut, man? You need a cut, man? Hey. I might, next fight, hit him up. Definitely. Cool. And, and if any fighters out there need, need, need, need to find Rudy Hernandez, where, where can we find you, man? Hit us up on Twitter, Facebook. Yeah, I got, I'm on Facebook, man. Yeah. You're on that Spanish Facebook, too, huh? I got a, I got a, I got a, I got a, I got a, I got a, I got a, I got a, I got a, I got a, I got a, I got a, I got a, I got a, I got on MySpace because that was the best way to get a hold of my kids. I got a, I got a 27-year-old, 24, and a 13. And so they were all on MySpace, so, you know, when I traveled and I couldn't get a hold of them, I tried, I tried emailing them, so, MySpace. Right on their wall. On MySpace, I was able to get a hold of a friend of mine who got a hold of them. That's fun. And now it's Facebook, so. But I like it. I like it. Yeah, all right. I enjoy it. What about you, Jaime? I just want to, um. Better give a shout-out to your grandma or someone, lady, that keeps posting this stuff in Spanish. Those are my tías, dude. All right, dude. Give a shout-out to your tías. We love you, mijo. Que hermoso está. Okay, shout-out to all my tías over in Arizona, especially to my tío Pancho, one of the kids that came up through his wrestling program. You guys might have heard of him. The kid from Arizona who, uh, just won his UFC fight, um, Ken Velasquez. Uh, my uncle was, uh, junior high school wrestling coach. Right on. So that was, like, pretty awesome. All right. You? Me? No, I don't got anything to say, dude. I'm cool. Any, any, uh, any fights or anything coming up? Dude, probably lining up a show in July, man, out at, out at, uh, Fairplex in Pomona. Get your permits. Oh, dude. You remember what happened, right? I heard about it. I was out of town. Oh, dude. I was in Japan. Yeah, that's right. You were in Japan during that, man. Oh, man. Yeah, I'll get my permits. Thank you. All right. You're welcome, dude. We'll make sure we, uh, good looking out, dude. You got it, dude. Hey, thanks for, uh, thanks for coming through today, too. Dude, I, I, you, you, you, I'll, I'll be in more often, dude, now. All right. And thanks to Rudy, man. I mean, like I said, I'm not, I don't do a lot of boxing stuff. I just think it's really interesting and all the cutman stuff is kind of cool. well, thanks for inviting me. I really had a blast. I mean, time went so quick. Wow. Okay. Oh, man, we got like, you know, anytime we talk about boxing or, or MMA, I mean, we can go on and on and on. We can go on and on and on. Yeah. But luckily, time constraints are what they are. And these are our final, what do we got? 45 seconds. All right, man. Anyone we want to thank besides Rudy? Um, no, shout outs to? I just want to thank everybody listening, hero studios.com. You can pick up the rebroadcast on, uh, mattimeradio.com. We'll put a link up there. Download our app, download the app, check out the website, hit us up on Facebook, Twitter. I don't know what else we're on. And, and when are we going to be back live, dude? Next week? Uh, you know what? We should be back on Wednesday from what I hear. So our next show will be back live and, um, we've got some good guys coming up. I know, um, uh, in the works of getting John McCarthy in here. Big John. And a couple other dudes. So big John's making his, making his way into the boxing world now, man. Let's see that. All right, man. Well, let's get real studios. My time radio. Thank you. Thanks. check out.