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Welcome to the Devils in the Details radio show broadcasting live from Skid Row Studios in lovely downtown Los Angeles.
My name is Wyme Russell and I'll be hosting this show each week with my very talented co-host.
He is an artist, a photographer, a stand-up comedian.
I welcome my partner to our inaugural broadcast, Mr. Nestor Rodriguez.
Yay, yay!
What's poppin'?
How's it going, man?
All right, all right, all right.
Glad you're here with me, Nestor, here to share the next hour of truth and investigations into the conspiratorial world of conspiracy theories.
Looking forward to it.
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We'd love to talk to you and share your thoughts and opinions on the information that we provide in this program.
On the Devils in the Details show, we will be discussing topics, as I just mentioned, that mainstream society considers to be conspiracy theories.
Nestor, tell me how you feel when somebody calls you a conspiracy theorist.
I've actually never been called a conspiracy theorist.
I'm just like an overly opinionated person.
Like you.
And a cynic.
I'm a cynic and a pessimist.
But I often find it amusing when you pose questions about certain things, and you don't believe that certain things are the way they are.
And I find it amusing how easy and how readily accepting certain people are.
Right.
Of so-called.
Facts.
Or so-called.
Presentations.
Well, what we're hoping to find, and the audience that we're looking for on this show, and hopefully that everybody's listening is going to come to this show with a very open mind, because the information that we're going to present to you, although may not be completely foreign to you, is going to strike a nerve or going to pull at your...
It's going to demand a lot of patience.
But hopefully we'll make you ask questions and try to investigate...
That is the whole point. ...such questions on your own.
That is correct.
We're going to try to wake up some people out there.
So let's just go ahead and get started.
So, Nestor, you mentioned you were...
I understand you are from New York, right?
I'm from New York.
And you were in New York on the morning of 9-11.
I sure was.
Just give us a quick idea of what that must have been like to be...
I was here in Los Angeles.
But what was that like?
I want to hear how it was like for you, too, by the way.
I'll be glad to tell you.
Well, for me...
Um...
It's...
It was bizarre.
I mean, I was working in Midtown.
I was working in construction at the time as an electrician.
And I was working at the Toys R Us store in Midtown.
And we were working from like 7 p.m.
to 3 a.m., some weird hour.
Now, how close was that to the...
Midtown is like 46th Street.
So...
And the World Trade Center site is a few miles south.
Okay.
But, you know, the thing is that I was asleep.
And, you know, it happened around 9 o'clock or so, right?
What was it?
The exact time?
9-0...
9-20 or something like that?
So my wife wakes me up.
I'm sleeping.
And she shakes me.
And she goes, oh, my God, look at this.
So I'm half in a daze.
That wasn't my normal time to get up.
So I was half in a daze and also kind of speechless.
I mean, I'm looking at these images, you know, the images that everyone has known to associate with the 9-11 event.
The events of 9-11.
Right.
Right.
Right.
Right.
And I was like, you know, what the fuck?
Like, at that point, you don't know what to make of it.
I guess the same way as you see the people in the video, people who are actually downtown working and they're all fucking confused.
They don't know what the hell is going on.
So it was just bizarre.
I mean, you don't know what to make of it.
Very interesting, man.
Yeah.
How was it for you in L.A.?
I came into it halfway through the process.
I mean, the first tower had already collapsed.
My wife had...
She had mentioned to me that I better come take a look at what's happening on television.
But this is 6 a.m.
for you guys.
6.20, right?
It was...
Yes.
It was very early.
I remember the sun was up already, so it wasn't like the middle of the night.
But what was interesting about it was that I immediately started...
Of course, I called in sick and took the day off.
I mean, it really struck me, you know, in a very personal place.
But I started popping in videotapes just all day long, just running the videotapes.
And it's helped a lot in the investigation processes or looking back.
At the independent investigations and having a lot of that firsthand news footage to actually corroborate a lot of the information.
You mentioned videotapes.
You started popping in videotapes and watching all day?
Just recording the news, just as it all occurred.
Oh, got it.
Wow.
And you did that because it just prompted you to, like, hold on to it, to reference it later on?
It was just an important thing.
This was an incredible event.
Wow.
So, Nestor, you know what?
Let's stay on track.
Let's try to...
You know, this is our first show.
So, let's...
Let's do it up.
Let's start it in the very beginning.
So, if this is a show on conspiracy theory, let's lay the groundwork on what a conspiracy theory actually is.
So, let's go through a brief definition or a wordplay.
And as we were already discussing 9-11, so you can imagine that our first topic on our first show will be the events of September 11th.
And we'll probably revisit this throughout the series.
We will actually...
We'll have to have multiple shows on 9-11.
But, you know, we won't bombard you with it too much.
Right.
But we do want the truth.
We want the truth to be set free.
So, let's visit a definition of conspiracy theory from a gentleman who made a movie about the events of September 11th in 2004.
His name is David von Kleist.
And he made a very good documentary entitled In Plane Sight.
Now, that's in plane, S-I-T-E.
And if you haven't seen the film, I would recommend you take a look at it.
Plane as in airplane.
Correct.
Right.
And so, what's important in this documentary?
Is that in the very beginning, he gives a very simple definition of what a conspiracy theory actually is.
And it's kind of a word play.
So, I have a clip of that.
I'd like to go to Mr. von Kleist.
Let's listen to what he has to say.
And then I want to get your thoughts, Nestor.
Well, in the phrase conspiracy theory, there are two words.
The first word, conspiracy.
The second word is the active word, theory.
By definition, a theory is a supposition, an idea, a concept.
A hypothesis.
Let me give you an example.
In theory, if I purchase a raffle ticket, I could win a prize.
Now, as long as I don't purchase a raffle ticket, my win is theoretical.
But once you purchase a raffle ticket, the win is no longer a theory.
It becomes a possibility.
And the more raffle tickets you purchase, the more possible and eventually probable the win becomes.
Such is the case with a conspiracy theory.
So, if you look at it in the most simple terms of what he's describing, and again, that was a clip from Mr. David von Kleist from 9-11 in plain sight.
If you break that down in its most simplest terms, if you apply that thought process to something like 9-11, and you have one question or one shred of evidence that the 9-11 Commission Report didn't address, then we have that proverbial raffle ticket.
And we are no longer dealing with a conspiracy theory.
But with the events of 9-11, we have a conspiracy theory.
But with the events of 9-11, particularly, we are dealing with a conspiracy.
So, in the opening of the show, when I asked you how you felt to be called a conspiracy theory, that's what we are all called because we simply question the official story.
Right.
So, how do you feel about the definition?
Does that make sense to you?
Yeah, definitely.
Raffle tickets?
No, definitely.
What I get out of it is that, you know, if you have a question about something, then you have to accept that there's...
There's a possibility of something else other than what you're presented, right?
I mean, you and I have discussed anything could be argued, you know, ad infinitum.
I mean, you know, unless you actually prove something, you know, in your own...
You know, if you and I both see something and witnesses and we both agree upon it at the same time, then you and I can say, yes, that's what happened.
Right.
But if someone's not there, what do they go by?
You know, the information that they've been given.
Correct.
All right.
Well, what we're going to do today on the events of 9-11, we briefly touched on what we did that morning.
I was just with my wife and we got the bad news, watched it on television, popped tapes in and out, took the day off.
And I always had these tapes to kind of go back and once the 9-11 investigations hit, I kind of had something to...
Well, that's interesting. ...to rewind and see, you know, could they possibly be telling the truth?
Wow.
And it was crazy.
The...
Wow.
And the information that was coming out from the news that day, multiple explosions...
The conflicting information.
Yeah.
And we only heard that the first day.
So when a lot of these movies came out and the investigations came out, I was able to go back and find that information.
Right.
So it was very interesting.
But it's a horrible event and we absolutely mean no disrespect to the victims or the victims' families amongst any of the opinions we share.
We are certainly in your corner.
We just want to find the truth of why your loved one... ...was murdered on that day.
Right.
So let's jump to what we're going to call the five smoking guns of 9-11.
Okay.
So that's what basically the show is going to be about today.
We're going to go through five points that I consider or that the mainstream 9-11 truth movement considers to be the smoking guns.
So these aren't new.
This is a new information.
We're not breaking any ground today.
But we do want to start in the beginning and we want to lay down the foundation correctly.
So what we're going to do is go ahead and jump to 9-11.
Okay.
So let's just jump in.
Let's just jump to number one.
And that is the Norman Moneta's testimony to the 9-11 Commission.
Are you familiar with Mr. Norman Moneta?
He was our transportation secretary under George W.
Bush.
You know what?
I'm not familiar with...
Well, I'm about to get you familiar with him.
Get me familiar.
All right.
And this was a gentleman who was in charge.
He was tasked with bringing down all of the planes on the morning of 9-11.
So he successfully brought down 4,546 airplanes.
Right.
Cleared the entire U.S.
airspace without incident.
So this was a good guy and he was just doing his job.
So this was kind of a good guy caught in the middle.
So let's just play his clip.
And what I want you to do, Nestor, is think about possibly what he could be talking about.
Now, he's referring to the flight that allegedly flew into the Pentagon, Flight 77.
So let's listen to Mr. Norman Moneta, the transportation secretary under George Bush, testifying before the 9-11 Commission.
I wanted to focus just a moment on the Presidential Emergency Operating Center.
You were there for a good part of the day.
I think you were there with the Vice President.
And we had that order given.
I think it was by the President that authorized the shooting down of commercial aircraft that were suspected to be commercial aircraft.
Right.
Suspected to be controlled by terrorists.
Were you there when that order was given?
No, I was not.
I was made aware of it during the time that the airplane coming in to the Pentagon.
There was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President, the plane is 50 miles out.
The plane is 30 miles out.
And when it got down to the plane is 10 miles out.
The young man also said to the Vice President, do the orders still stand?
And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said, of course the orders still stand.
Have you heard anything to the contrary?
So what is he telling to the 9-11 Commission there, Nestor?
So he's mentioning that he's in the bunker, the emergency bunker that morning.
And that is the bunker under the White House.
And that is where Mr. Cheney and all of our top officials were taken.
They were actually moved to that position.
To be protected.
To be protected and to continue to operate our government.
To bring the planes down, to operate our defenses.
A safe operations headquarters.
Correct.
And now Mr. Mineta arrived in the bunker after Dick Cheney, which perjures Cheney's testimony.
Because Cheney testified.
Because Cheney testifies that he was actually in the bunker at a later time.
But that's another point.
But what we're going to do, or just for example, give me an example of how you feel about Lee Hamilton who was asking him the question.
He mentioned a possible shoot down order for the plane that was heading towards Flight 77.
That's what we just heard.
Right.
He asked him, were you aware that there was a shoot down order?
And his answer was, a different order.
A gentleman kept coming into the room to Dick Cheney asking him, 50 miles out, 40 miles out, 30 miles out.
And does the order still stand?
What order are we talking about?
This is a smoking gun in the 9-11 investigation.
Right.
The order to shoot down any planes that are still in the air.
Right.
After they get all the planes down.
That is the elaborate hoax that they are trying to create with that clip and that discussion.
The question was directly pointed at, okay, so you understood there was a shoot down order, then what happened?
But the plane hit, but something hit the Pentagon.
Right.
From 50 miles out.
Right.
40 miles out, 30 miles out.
And something allegedly impacted, and it did, something did impact.
Something.
So was that a shoot down order or a stand down order?
Right.
Not to shoot and to let the target.
Right.
Or to let the plane or missile hit the target.
Right.
So what are we talking about?
Is it a stand down or is it a shoot down?
Because technically that happened after all the planes were ordered to come down.
You're saying the Pentagon.
Well, this is when the Flight 77 was still in the air.
So we were still in the middle of the planes that already crashed into the towers of the World Trade Center.
But the Flight 77 was coming into the Pentagon.
And a gentleman kept coming into Cheney and saying, it's 50 miles out, 40 miles out.
30 miles out.
Do the orders still stand?
Right.
And Cheney got angry and says, of course the order still stand.
What orders are we talking about?
Right.
We've never been privileged to what those orders were.
Right.
And obviously nothing was shot down over Washington that day.
Right.
Something hit its target.
Right.
So Cheney obviously had orders to allow the, you know, Missile Warplane to hit.
One quick point.
Dick Cheney had usurped the Right.
So he had ordered the Missile Warplane to hit.
Right.
So he had ordered the Missile Warplane to hit.
Right.
So he had ordered the Missile Warplane to hit.
Right.
So he had ordered the Missile Warplane to hit.
And he had usurped NORAD's control to disrupt or shoot down an aircraft in the summer leading up to September 11th.
NORAD being?
The North American Aerospace Defense Command.
That's what's in the mountain in Cheyenne.
What they do is they control our airspace.
So if a plane goes up and it's missing, they'll scramble some planes and they'll go up and they'll find it.
Right.
If something's amiss, they have the right to shoot it down.
Right.
They don't need orders from the president.
In the summer leading up to September 11th, Dick Cheney usurped that control, took it back, put it under the president, and gave it back the day after 9-11.
I tell you, I ask you, Nestor, what are your thoughts?
I mean, you know, that whole clip and all that stuff is very complex.
I have actually seen video clips of the damage that was done to the Pentagon, and there's no debris of a plane on the grounds of the Pentagon.
And only but pieces big enough that you can hold in your hand.
It's bizarre.
It's ridiculous.
It's fucking bizarre.
I mean, I think there's a clip, a news clip, where they report there's a crater.
That it's in front of the Pentagon.
Of the Pentagon?
Yeah.
Go ahead.
No, no, and there is no crater.
There is no crater.
There's nothing.
There's nothing but grass, ground, some fire trucks trying to put...
Untouched ground.
Untouched ground.
Where a scraping would have had to occur.
Of course.
If a plane actually crashed into the Pentagon, there would have been some outside evidence.
Some scraping to the earth, to the ground.
Right outside the Pentagon.
There would have been some...
Wings.
Wings.
Tails.
There would have been some wing damage to the something.
I mean...
Something.
You're thinking that the head of the plane went into the Pentagon.
Right.
And I don't know.
It just...
It's bizarre.
It was a stand down order on that morning to allow whatever went into that building to hit it.
Whatever object that was in the sky to hit it.
And it came from the highest office in our government.
Right.
All right.
Let's move to number two.
These...
This is...
Number two.
Number two smoking gun of 9-11.
Let's listen to...
I'll just play the clip on this one and we'll go ahead and talk about it.
This is Mayor Rudolph Giuliani on the morning of September 11th.
As he is interviewed about his...
He was moving through the streets that morning, obviously, through all the terror.
And he was looking for his place to set up an emergency station.
Or, you know, where they can all meet and discuss.
And he found out some interesting pre-collapse information.
And he actually...
You know...
Admitted that in an interview.
Let's listen.
A couple number.
I saw people jumping out of the World Trade Center.
I saw some of the firefighters who I know going into the building.
So...
And we were in a building in which we were trapped for about 10, 15 minutes.
Are you talking about the...
Did you go immediately to the Office of Emergency Management?
I went down to the scene and we set up headquarters at 75 Barclay Street, which was right there with the police commissioner, the fire commissioner, the head of emergency management.
And we were operating out of there.
And we were...
We were getting out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was going to collapse.
And it did collapse before we could actually get out of the building.
So we were trapped in the building for 10, 15 minutes and finally found an exit and got out, walked north and took a lot of people.
So why weren't the firefighters called away from the buildings?
Why weren't the police officers called out of the buildings?
What's going on?
Well, I mean, I mean, I mean, forget all that, right?
We were told they were going to collapse.
Really?
Really.
I mean, everyone was fucking amazed when they collapsed.
They weren't expecting that to happen.
Right.
I mean, the buildings came down.
I mean, there's other reports of people, eyewitnesses, documentation, investigation on the fact that it appeared to be a controlled demolition.
That's right.
That the buildings flopped down.
It was controlled.
Dude, if those things would have collapsed normally, they...
You've seen the aerial photographs of the World Trade Center site.
Oh, of course.
Nothing is damaged.
I mean, there's buildings.
They fell in their own footprint.
The World Financial Center is across near the Hudson River.
It's all glass.
It's a glass dome.
Just particles broke through the glass atrium.
It's just, I mean, that's bizarre.
That's bizarre.
We were told to get out because the buildings were going to collapse.
Can you imagine?
I mean...
Now, who did he have surrounding him that day?
And this is another quick point to 9-11.
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Now, you would only have somebody like Bernard Carrick in charge of your police station if you were going to run an operation like 9-11.
Obviously, I recommend you to Google Bernard Carrick.
Yes, Google him.
K-E-R-I-K.
Very interesting guy.
Very interesting, and he's a big-time criminal, and he rose through the ranks of the NYPD.
Well, he was supposed to be mayor, right?
He was running for mayor, and then he got— Heaven help us.
No, but I'm saying, I believe there's a few books out on him, and I believe that some shit came out on him that he had to, like, walk away with his tails between his leg, you know?
Which I was shocked, because, I mean, he was made out to be a hero, and he was a hero up until whatever came out about him.
I believe he's in prison.
Is he really?
I believe he is.
I believe he's in prison.
And what were the charges?
Your guess is as good as mine on Mr. Carrick.
Yeah.
Take your pick.
I'm going to look it up.
I believe he was taking some sort of— Bribes.
I believe it.
Yeah, yeah.
But there were other things that he was— So why is somebody like Mayor Rudolph Giuliani privileged to pre-collapse information?
Right.
How would they have come up with pre-collapse information if these were accidental pancake collapses that nobody, you know, imagined?
Right.
You know, was coming.
Right.
What do you think, man?
Right.
I'm dumbfounded by that.
I mean, that's crazy.
That is crazy.
Yeah.
That is incriminating, and it is ignored by everybody.
It's crazy.
So let's move on, then.
Let's just go to number three, and this is one of my favorites, because this person is— If there is a hierarchy of people who are responsible for September 11th, in my opinion, it moves in this order.
We would go from Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, to the next gentleman, Mr. Larry Silverstein.
And if those three ever spilled their guts, or one of those three, the world would be a different place the following day, or immediately.
So let's just jump into what Mr. Larry Silverstein and who this gentleman is.
So this is the leaseholder, or the real estate mogul developer, who actually controls the World Trade Center site.
He actually— He owns the rights to the site.
He leases it.
He's the leaseholder.
So he actually built Building 7, but then went in for—he wanted to bid to control the entire complex.
And in July of 2001, so just a few months before September 11th, he actually won the bid to control the entire facility.
So he actually was the leaseholder on all of the buildings when they actually were attacked.
So Mr. Silverstein is very interesting.
And I just want to play this clip.
And this is regarding Building 7.
Now, Building 7 was the third building to collapse, which wasn't hit by an airplane, which itself is a smoking gun within the 9-11 community.
Now, why did Building 7 fall?
Nestor, what are your thoughts on Building 7?
Why would that fall five hours later in the afternoon into its own—with a perfect crimp, free fall speed, meaning that there's nothing—there's no area of resistance within the building.
It's coming down.
It's coming down.
It's coming down.
If you would drop a feather off the top into its own footprint.
I have no idea.
I mean, the whole thing is bizarre.
I actually have a photo of that building just kind of like it looks like a melted flop.
You know, it's just—I don't know.
It's weird.
It's weird.
It doesn't make any sense.
And, you know, when you say melting, there was a lot of melting going on in all of the rubble.
In a lot of the pictures you see, there was a lot of melting.
melting.
And one of my own ideas or theories is that the explosive used was a high military grade type explosive.
Now this was by the Architects of Engineers for 9-11 Truth.
I recommend you visit that site as well.
They have come up with this hypothesis that there was a military grade explosive called thermite or thermate that was actually an incendiary used in the demolition of the towers.
Now this was, they come up with a lot of great information that everybody should look at.
I totally believe them because we at some point see it pouring out of the buildings.
There's actually liquid molten metal pouring off of these buildings.
It looks like sparks, but it's molten metal.
And there were molten piles of metal at the bottom of the rubble piles for months.
So it's incredible to think that there was a military grade explosive that was used to think that they installed this thermite or maybe brought it in through the planes.
I mean, we don't want to start guessing, but the buildings were melted or the planes were being melted as we were watching them collapse.
And the melting is key because a lot of the rubble is melted.
Now let's listen to Mr. Larry Silverstein.
Again, the developer is speaking.
This is an interview about why Building 7 fell.
And this was broadcast on PBS.
And this, this is a very interesting interview.
And this is a very interesting interview.
And this, this is funny because Mr. Silverstein is actually thinks he's doing something very compassionate in describing why he had to destroy a landmark like World Trade Center 7 on a day like September 11th.
So let's listen to Mr. Silverstein.
I remember getting a call from the fire department commander telling me that they were not sure they were going to be able to contain the fire.
I said, you know, we've had such a terrible loss of life.
Maybe there's some honest thing to do is pull it.
And they made it so that we could continue to do it.
And I said, well, I'm going to pull it.
And they made that decision to pull.
And then we watched the building collapse.
Okay.
Well, pull obviously is a, as I've learned in my 9-11 truth investigations, that pull is a demolition term for bringing a building down.
These are the things that they say to each other in the setting up or demolishing of these buildings.
Pulling number four, you know, we're going to pull it, ready to pull it.
So he makes the, uh, admission that he was ordered, that he made a conscious decision in his mind because of what had already occurred to go ahead and let the building flame out.
Because we all know that when a building is on fire, it's just going to collapse into its own footprint and it's going to melt.
And there's going to be no core columns left standing.
Uh, we all know that's going to happen when we just let a building burn for, for five hours.
Right.
So, uh, very questionable statement for Mr. Silverstein.
And I'm going to pull it.
And I'm going to pull it.
And I'm going to pull it.
And I'm going to pull it.
And I'm going to pull it.
And I'm going to pull it.
And I'm going to pull it.
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So I ask you, what do you think?
Do you think he's pulling firefighters out the way he just described that?
Or do you feel that he's just being compassionate and giving a reason for why he had to destroy a building that day?
I, you know, it's perplexing to me that, you know, like many of these interviews that happened early on, that people answer a certain way or say certain things.
And then afterwards, they, you know, make excuses for why they said it or, you know.
They recant.
They recant.
Or some of the information is like, you know, no longer available.
Like, unless you have it in your video.
You know, your videotape.
Now, he thinks, see, the problem with it is that he feels we're all so naive that he's doing us a favor by sitting on his throne and explaining to us, the common people, why he had to do what he had to do.
He felt he was doing something polite and correct.
Right.
So that's the savagery of the type of people that we're dealing with.
That they feel that, you know, lying or molding the situation is how.
They basically got to where they are in life.
Well, also, it behooves him.
He owns the lease to all of that.
So the more damage that occurs, the more he stands to inherit in an insurance claim.
And when you ask, what are the motives?
You got to look for motives in any crime.
Right.
So when you look for a motive in Mr. Silverstein, you can find that motive in money.
So let me just throw out some figures real quick.
The lease.
Let me read this real quick.
So the lease agreement applied to one.
So Larry Silverstein's lease agreement with the World Trade Center applied to one, two, four and five World Trade Center and about 425,000 square feet of retail space.
This is the key.
Silverstein put up to put up 14 million dollars of his own money to secure the deal.
So the terms of the lease gave Silverstein as as the complete leaseholder of the facility.
So he spent 14 million dollars.
Of his own money.
Once the towers were destroyed.
All once all the insurance monies were paid to Mr. Silverstein and his organization, it came out to 4.5 billion dollars for an initial investment of 14 million.
I tell you, is that investing?
Is that a motive?
What does that mean?
So who wouldn't pay 14 million?
Murder 3000 people to get 4.5 billion.
Is that a motive?
Do we have him or what?
I mean, that's a motive.
That's it.
That's a motive.
I mean, you know, the whole thing is complicated.
Also, I mean, he's got to pay according to his lease a million dollars a month.
Regardless, that's pennies in the pot at this point.
But I'm saying it would behoove him to get the most amount of money for an insurance claim.
If you think about it, whether or not the towers are there or not.
He's what is it?
A hundred year lease he's got?
I believe it is.
It's a hundred year lease.
99.
And it's $1 million a month that he's got to pay regardless.
You know what I mean?
So 12 million a year is nothing right now.
No, it's nothing.
But still, it's a lot of money.
And if I had to, and if I had to pay a $12 million a year and lose the opportunity of the of the revenue from all the when you're saying he's paying that he's paying that in two years.
I mean, I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
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He had to be the person, again, like Bernard Carrick, somebody like Silverstein in place in order for all of this to happen.
Right.
Well, Carrick, by the way, I looked him up.
He, I had read a book.
Is he in prison?
Yeah, he is in prison.
He's in federal prison.
I hope he's enjoying it.
Well, you know, he was the head of corrections.
He was a military and police.
I remember from reading he was a correction commissioner of the city of New York, which, you know, if you're in the correction correctional department, you're not very well liked.
So you can't you wouldn't be able to just go to any kind of regular prison within the five boroughs or within the outer boroughs.
And obviously police commissioner.
But he also was the interim minister of the interior of Iraq.
So he was in the head of security.
That was his bush.
That was his job.
That was his job for that.
For the military.
That's proof that he was involved in the events of 9-11 because everybody who did something that helped it be completed was promoted.
Nobody was fired.
Nobody was let go.
But, you know, let's jump to number four.
Jumping to number four.
Jumping to number four.
This is a very interesting topic.
This is, again, on the Pentagon.
And Flight 77 that approached the Pentagon is a discrepancy in some NTSB-provided flight data recorder data.
And it's an animation that's provided by the NTSB on the flight data recordings from, you know, Flight 77 that allegedly hit the Pentagon.
The interesting part to this is every plane.
Now, I'm not a pilot.
I'm not a pilot, obviously.
And I'm not an expert in this.
But I get this information from a website called pilotsfor911truth.org.
Now, I definitely recommend you go to pilotsfor911truth.
That is my all-time favorite.
They present it in amazing ways.
What they do is they beat the government with math.
And if you can beat them in the details, that's what this show is all about.
Let me tell you.
So they got them in the details.
Okay.
So what they did was they requested.
They requested through the Freedom of Information Act request.
I would recommend everybody learn what a Freedom of Information Act request is.
Through that request, pilotsfor911truth, Mr. Rob Balsamo, was given a flight data recording animation from the NTSB.
And we watched the plane go up.
You see all the movements of the sticks.
You see everything that the pilots was doing when they were going up.
And you see the hijacking.
You see it turn back and what have you.
But when a plane.
When a plane ascends, the pilots have to make a correction to what's called an altimeter.
An altimeter is a device on a plane that measures the altitude from the plane to the ground.
So when the planes go, when the planes take off, there's something called barometric pressure that has something to do with the weather.
And they make a correction to the altimeter.
And that makes, that gives them the correct altitude from the plane to the ground.
Right.
So.
The correct distance that they're going to need to land the plane properly.
I mean.
That is correct.
You know how high you are off the ground.
That's right.
If you don't have any of these devices.
And that's what this is.
Right.
So what happens is, what's interesting, and this is the smoking gun.
When the plane goes up, we see the altimeter snap back.
So the pilot made the correct adjustment to the barometric pressure.
And we had the correct altitude.
So we see the altimeter snap back.
And then we see the turn and the hijacking and the spin.
You know, and the rotating barrel dive into the side of the Pentagon.
But.
But.
But what we don't see on the descent is the altimeter being reset.
Now that's a big problem.
Okay.
And that is, that is, that could mean a few things.
That could mean that they falsified this NTSB information to, you know, Rob Balsamo.
That they, that they fabricated this to illustrate the story.
But they didn't think that somebody that, gee, somebody with, with a brain was going to look at it.
Right.
And analyze it.
And analyze it.
And some sort of evidence.
Oh, absolutely.
Go through the math.
And the altimeter did not, was not reset on descent.
So that puts the Flight 77 above.
Not on the ground.
Oh, absolutely not.
The, the animation claims that it was 180 feet above, I guess, sea level or above the ground going into the building.
Now the plane, without that altimeter correction, the plane's actual height was 475 feet.
Wow.
And that's the difference in the, the math.
That's the difference in this altimeter adjustment is pretty major.
So all pilots know to do it.
And they didn't make, so the, the hijackers didn't know to make that correction on the way down.
The supposed hijackers.
We don't know what their.
If that plane was hijacked.
Yeah.
And we don't know what their explanation is for that, that not taking place.
And of course the.
But the plane is not where it's set.
The thing, the question here is that there was actually no plane that hit the Pentagon.
That it was something else.
Yeah.
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We have to assume that something flew over the Pentagon based on their own data.
Right.
But the question is, what hit the Pentagon?
In my opinion, my personal opinion, it was a plane.
Obviously, it was some sort of jetliner the size of a 767 coming in, releasing some sort of air service.
So like a missile.
Again, this is just my personal opinion.
And into the building.
A missile of some sort.
We don't have a Boeing at the Pentagon, so it had to be a missile.
Right.
Based on the damage done and the damage path to the rings.
Right.
Now, let's see.
So in understanding where the errors are made in the 9-11 investigation, and people like Rob Balsamo from 9-11, pilots for 911truth.org, can find that information.
How many more things are we?
How many more things are we going to find before we get the attention and the new investigation begins?
I need to know.
But that's why we're here.
So let's move quickly to number five.
I like number five.
I like that.
Do you like number five?
I do.
I do because this kind of like sets the precedent, you know, in an official document that the government has been involved in taking certain orders to cause damage under the guise of the American American American whatever but let's let's look at that let's look at the northwoods document yes i love that it's my favorite i i'm glad you like it because it's great um this is considered the blueprint of the 9-11 conspiracy because it is definitely a conspiracy it is operation northwoods which was prepared by our joint chief chairman mr lyman lemnitzer and again all of this information is just the ground foundation of the 9-11 movement so if you've heard of this stick with us uh it's it's needed to hear information so it's one of the documents that wasn't shredded right under under the kennedy investigation the assassination of kennedy this is correct so this is how we got this information was from the kennedy uh record how many years by the way how many years was it which we we will talk about the kennedy uh uh assassination conspiracy amongst other things but how many years was it from the actual time like over 40 something years before it became public information i i believe it's it's 30 or 40 something like that they seal presidential records right obama did it for bush right and yes so that that's every president does it for the previous right and i think i think the time has has decreased from when the public can actually access those records since the 60s no or is it still 40 years i believe it's it's based on that president's got a decision okay i believe it's always a 30 it's always multiple got it got it got it anyway this is one of the documents that became public a lot of the original documents were shredded so this was one of the one of the few items that survived all that that's right and just to let you know that uh john f kennedy did refuse this uh recommendation so kudos to john f kennedy right who was considered our last real president now what happened to mr kennedy we all know our last real president which is a scary thought yeah because if they want to get real yeah they take him into the room and show him the zabruder anyway you guys you guys gotta you guys gotta go to the room and show him the zabruder you know google operation northwood's wikipedia you know what i mean so what it is it was a justification for u.s military intervention in cuba so this was happening back in the 60s when we were uh you know at odds with cuba the height of the cold war they were backed by the russians and the missiles and what happened so what our government did was create a recommendation to john f kennedy that we attack or attack ourselves or stage a false flag event that will garner congressional support and public support for them to go to war with cuba so i just want to read you a few excerpts from operation northwoods and you tell me what you think nester so uh and i'm paraphrasing i'm picking pieces and parts but it says it is assumed this is very interesting to me this point it is assumed that there will be a similar that there will be similar submissions from other agencies so like you said the documents that were shredded were all these other submissions from similar submissions from other agencies not people agencies government agencies hundreds of people thousands of people so it's not just one person being this savage so and then i go on to read this plan incorporating projects selected from the attack suggestions or from other sources should be developed to focus all efforts on specific ultimate objectives which would provide adequate justification for u.s military intervention right so exactly what you said action against cuba that is i mean i mean i it's many many many years have passed but you know we were trying to do something that was not going to happen in the future and we the state is not the state the state is not the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the state the John F.
Kennedy had the mind to stop it.
Right, but are you reading some of the suggestions?
Yes, yes, yes.
And another part is very interesting.
They will commence large-scale United States military operations with, quote-unquote, remember the main incidents that could be arranged to coincide with the event.
Now, I asked you, this is in black and white.
Remember the main.
What do they ask us to do about 9-11?
Do they ask us to investigate it?
Do they ask us to look into it, ask questions about it?
No.
The only thing they tell us to do about 9-11 is to remember it and to never forget.
Right.
So here it is.
It's already in their documentation that they create these fictitious events.
Don't question.
No questions, just remember.
Right.
So we can continue.
Remember how bad it was so we can continue running our crazy.
Which fortunately for, or I should say unfortunately for them, America has like the shortest attention span.
So we don't remember shit.
So that doesn't work.
So let me just keep reading.
I just have a little more and then we'll get to the juicy part.
Yeah.
We could blow up a drone, an unmanned vessel anywhere in the Cuban waters.
We could arrange to cause such incident in the vicinity of Havana or Santiago as a spectacular result of a Cuban attack from the air or sea or both.
So that's giving you the, that's telling you basically that, hey, we will destroy their country for our purposes in a deceitful way.
Right.
So let me get to the place where, So in order, in order to accomplish, uh, uh, the start of a war, the plan was to create certain events, certain things, create these events that supposedly would have been for, you know, seen as, uh, uh, what do you call it?
Instigations by Cuba against us so that we would retaliate.
Hostile actions.
Right.
And then we would be like, well, we didn't do anything wrong.
Right.
Right.
And, uh, good luck with that.
Right.
So, uh, one of the things that they mentioned they would do is develop a communist Cuban terror campaign in Miami and other Florida cities and even in Washington.
So we're not just talking about attacking Cuba.
Right.
Here we go.
Here it is.
This is American soil right there.
We're going to blow something up on American soil and blame Cuba.
Right.
But then it goes on to say, and this is one of the most interesting parts, the terror campaign could be pointed at Cuban refugees seeking haven in the U.S.
We could sink a boatload of Cubans on route, to Florida, real or simulated.
Right.
Right.
Can you imagine?
So real or simulated.
I mean, we might do it.
There's a whole list.
We could do it with real guys, fake guys.
It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter.
There's a slew of ideas that you could do.
Start rumors about Cuba by using clandestine radios, staging mock attacks, sabotages and riots at Guantanamo Bay Naval Base, and blaming it on Cuban forces.
So basically you're saying, you know, start some shit, harming, putting your own men, U.S., uh, uh, armed servicemen in danger and blaming it on Cuban forces, right?
Or, uh, firebombing and sinking an American ship at the Guantanamo Bay American military base.
Yep.
Um, I mean, you, you, you, people say, people question, the biggest thing is, well, why would the government put Americans at danger?
Why would you kill your own people?
If you look at it, seriously, if you look at the whole thing, how many people actually died in the World Trade Center events?
I know you have a number, right?
Yeah.
The total number of deaths in September 11th is 2,996.
Okay.
How many died in Vietnam?
That, I think, I think that was in the fifties of, don't quote me, but I think that's in the fifties of thousand, 65,000.
Okay.
And now the thing is, you know, these are pawns.
You have to, they are pawns.
You're, you're just a pawn, unfortunately.
And, and tragically, these innocent people were just doing their, you know, American duty of showing up for work.
Right.
So let me get to the, the blueprint of a nine 11.
So that is, we're still in Northwoods.
Let me just read this before we do run out of time.
This is very important.
The, this is the actual blueprint of nine 11.
So let me read it.
It kind of goes on and on.
So it says an aircraft at Elgin air force base would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area.
Shady, right?
So it says as at a designated time, the duplicate, it would be substituted for the, the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with selected passengers.
This is key because people say, well, what happened to the passengers?
Listen to their plan.
So it said at a designated time, the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and it would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases.
The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone.
The takeoff time of the drone, an aircraft, and the actual aircraft would, would be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida.
So they're actually going to meet in the air swap out, right?
So from the rendezvous point, the passenger carrying aircraft will pardon me, descend to a minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Elgin air force base.
So what do you think about that?
So you have unmanned, you have registered specifically registered, um, people on a flight, that have had their identities, uh, created for the flight.
Uh, the flight goes up, the flight is swapped for a drone and then they explode.
The drone is that does, what does that sound?
Is that nine 11 or, or what that sounds like is this, this is a 1962 or three operation Northwood.
Yeah.
I'll see you too.
Yeah.
Okay.
What, what, what, what, what this sounds like is that in 1962, if they had the capability of doing this, the technology, the technology of doing it, what else?
I mean, we're talking about 2001 people, right?
Okay.
That's key.
Yeah.
They had the ability to make the drones, not just the ability.
They, they, they, they, they probably, you know, fine tuned the formulas and the deceptions that they could have carried out.
They could have, this is 1962.
This is documented.
This is, these are ideas that were written down and proposed.
Yes.
To our, to the highest, so the president, highest level, yeah, military order in the world.
And, uh, it is truly unbelievable.
The subject is justification for us military intervention, intervention in Cuba.
That's, that's, that's, that's the, says it all.
Right.
Uh, so, uh, when you look at something like Northwood, when you look at all this information that we've prepared for you today, you have to stop.
You have to think about, uh, what has, you know, how have our lives changed, uh, as a result of nine 11.
And I, I ask you in closing, I, I know we only have a few minutes left, but, uh, Nestor, what, what are your feelings about how life was transformed?
We, we have a few minutes.
We have, we have enough time to, to kick it a little bit.
How has life been transformed?
Well, for one, to you, what was the most important ripple?
I mean, the first thing I started noticing straight off, straight off the back, I travel a lot.
So I see a lot of airports and I have to go through a lot of airport security.
The first thing I noticed was the manipulation of fear.
Okay.
Right after the events, you know, uh, what is it?
Threat level, orange.
That went on for a while.
It went on for fucking ever for like two or three years, creating this fear that you're not safe.
And who even paid attention to the color?
Did you ever log on to find out what color it was today?
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I mean, we can no longer walk down the street by ourselves.
We are being monitored.
Look up on the phone poles.
I mean, if people would look up from the smartphones and look at the top of those poles, those weren't there prior to 9-11.
Right.
And we are constantly monitored, constantly asked to snitch on our neighbors and snitching programs.
That's just some of the obvious stuff.
The most domineering to me.
9-11 surcharges, extra taxes.
Now, that's at the airport, correct?
At the airport, on your cell phone bill.
Really?
On your cell phone bill?
Yeah.
All sorts of shit that, you know, which is fine, you know, as a taxpaying citizen of the United States, I think that we all have to pay our share.
But what is this shit going for?
These are things that are created.
Look, at the end of the day, as a result of 9-11, unfortunately, money was to be made by a lot of people.
You know, you can't bring bottles of water through flight.
Who benefits from this?
Right.
Let me ask you, before we go, one more question for you, Nasr.
I got to know.
I'm curious.
What, in your opinion, what was their endgame?
What was it all for?
What was the point?
3,000 Americans dead, multiple wars, billions of dollars.
I think it was...
Thousands of casualties in our military.
To open up Starbucks and McDonald's in Afghanistan.
Could that possibly be what it was about?
Ultimately.
Or could it have been about growing poppies in Afghanistan, getting the Taliban out?
All of these things.
We hear a lithium bane in Afghanistan, and now we need to go in and get the lithium.
All of this craziness.
What was the endgame?
In my opinion, it was to back up the war in Afghanistan.
To go get them.
To go get them.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Take over.
World domination.
And to take over.
And to take over.
And how we can take over is oil, right?
Oil is king, right?
That's it.
So, at the end of the day, has that been accomplished?
I don't believe it's been accomplished, because our oil is higher than ever, and our gas prices are higher than ever.
So then, that was all for naught.
That was...
So far, it is for naught.
And that is what we're here for on The Devil's in the Details.
Anyway, we've got to wrap it up.
We need to find out this information.
Let's wrap it up.
So, I wanted to make a special thank you to Mr. Jeremy Hansen for giving us the opportunity to do our show today.
Skidrowstudios.com.
Yeah, we appreciate the time.
And I'd also like to thank our executive producer, Mr. Sal Rodriguez.
Oh, yeah, right.
Because without Sal, we certainly wouldn't be here.
Listen to Registered Ear Offenders every Friday from 1 to 2, and we will be following that coming on right after Registered Ear Offenders.
Exactly.
So, thank you, Nestor.
Check us out on Facebook.
Facebook.com forward slash Nestorius.
And we'll give you more information about our show.
Yep.
And thank you for joining us on our first show, Nestor.
And I'll see you next week, man.
Likewise, yeah.
Kick it.
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