Homegrown terrorism and Islamic extremism debate

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Even when I heard that, I thought it was propaganda. But it's true. So, anyway, we're going to move on to our topic tonight. And I would just like to start that with standing on the corner of San Julian and... and 6th Street down in Skid Row at night, say maybe 10, 11 o'clock at night. And you're standing there waiting for the light to turn green and there's all kinds of people around you. And I'm pretty sure of myself when it comes to protecting myself, but down there, there's no defense. If somebody wanted to get you, they could get you because there's... you just don't really have a defense. Okay, now, I'm going to go to, say, Friday night at the gym. I was at the gym and a young man walks in and he... and it's hard for me to describe this, what do you call that? He had the Muslim look going with the beard. And it was a white guy with the beard and the hat, the thing. And he had a backpack. And what I'll do, Niece, is go ahead and read that. That thing that ISIS was... Well, I got some information off the Internet. It's from the New York Daily News. And it says, the NYPD is worried that ISIS video will inspire radicals to get a knife or another weapon for home-grown terrorist attacks. And the article kind of goes on to say, and it's the Deputy Commissioner, John Miller, that's talking at the time, and says, ISIS directs its supports to the West to take up bomb and kill its enemies. And he said this at a City Conference, council meeting and the message is that you should do whatever you can with whatever you have and then they um they said there's a video of a militant holding up um an ak-47 that directs his followers if you can't come fight with us and you can't get one of these and he's referring to the gun uh simply go to your local store and get a knife or another weapon and uh the propaganda piece isn't into the ominous graphics it says that you use what you have and there's a picture of an of an axe um and it says so the communications are coming out in the recent months that are fairly um that are that are concerning and it went on to um talk about the um the uh attacked on the cops in queens by the jihad inspired zale thomas was a prime example of the type of terrorism that isis is inspiring um and basically it's saying that you know you don't you don't have to come fight over in our country you don't have to do anything you can you can follow our beliefs and stuff by just going to your local hardware store and causing as much mayhem and death as you possibly can with the things that no one's gonna you know suspect i mean if you go down there and you buy a hatchet no one's thinking anything about anybody buying a hatchet go to home depot and buy one of those okay now what what i'm saying um or the the comparison is i don't have to put myself on skid row at 11 o'clock at night but i go to the gym i'm comfortable at the gym and someone and i'm stereotyping like shantae was kind of bringing out you know he had the look he had the backpack but if that young man pulled a gun or a knife or whatever out of that backpack and just started killing people i mean what do we do against that how do we as americans how do we how do we as people you know it doesn't even make a difference if you're american or or whatever religion you are whatever you are if you're not islam or and i'm probably you can probably correct me melvin um you're dead you know basically that's that's their belief if you don't believe or think like them then basically you're dead how do we combat against that you want to start out i think the first way that you uh combat with that like how you combat with anything you combat by starting from the point of view of the truth right and the the same kind of situations that they develop after the young man uh up in colorado went into the movie theater and shot up or the same kind of situation we have an individual that went to the elementary school and shot it all up like that so basically what you're saying is that it's more than it's more than islam it's just it's just a common deal yeah and i wouldn't even go to uh as far as to say that it's not islam at all see and then uh because one of the things you have to look at about isis i look at isis people might look at isis as a islamic organization but i look at isis for exactly what it is if a person do they research on it it's a cia created organization you know melvin it's in this in in in the sense that uh and this is what i mean about looking at the whole situation well you need to when you say it's a cia yeah what do you mean by that i know you got to break that down when i say it's a cia a creator organization it's just like uh usama bin laden was created by the cia because they were created to fight against the soviet union and then when that war faded off the scene it was a cia and stuff like that they backed up off them so the people who make up isis who are these people that make up isis these are the people that came as a result so when they uh brought son of the same down when they brought uh qaddafi down and when they brought mubarak down in egypt see when they went in uh uh into iraq and you had all of these people you had a structure there trained military people and then they immediately go in there and do what they put all these people out of jobs what do they think gonna happen to these people and then you got the same thing develop in uh uh areas like syria see that part of the world is very complicated and it don't start now it start with the exploitation of the west you know they're causing all of this economic misery in these particular areas so why are we causing that economic misery are you are you talking about well sanctioning to be honest about the bottom line of causing all of these uh economic misery have to do with controlling the natural resources of those areas and what one of the major natural resources that come out of those areas oil but natural gas is climbing the charts yeah but when you look at oil what's going on right now with the oil is that the prices just hit rock bottom because of um because united states started going up and down the charts and they're not going up and down the charts and they're not going up and down the charts and they're not going up and down the charts and they're not going into their fracking of everything so now what's come down to to get the oil price on down was you're looking at the the arab countries on over there saying let me see if it costs fifty dollars a gallon is like the bare minimum that united states can put out for fracking we're going to drop that down below because then we can still control um the amount of oil that's going on out and they can't produce their own because they want they want the western world especially the united states to be um dependent upon them so you know that's why the oil prices now have just you know plummeted down to hardly anything because now they're stopping a lot of the fracking because they can't afford it it's it's oil is cheaper than what they can they would over in the arab countries would rather take that loss because they can pump it out for two three dollars a gallon out the ground it's like just turning on a stick it we can't do that ours it has to be a lot a lot okay how is this getting back i want to get back right i want to get back to the point of um let's get all the way back to the point that you was talking about um going to the gym and going to the uh not being able to protect myself or feeling like my life is probably you're vulnerable yeah yeah yeah and and i yeah and i i think it's it's the when you count the number of incidents that we like homegrown terrors and all that and all that kind of stuff and compare them you can just i i think the way the situation is now with what we're just seeing over the summer uh with with uh trayvon martin with all these little youngsters they uh mike brown and and uh ferguson and all these youngsters i think we should be more fearful when we see a police pop-up than a islamic person we look at the results and i go ahead go ahead yeah so i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll i'll 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Muhammad, the son of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad. And it would have been stronger now if he was still living. See, the immigrant Muslims, you know, have never been able to even integrate into the cities with African-Americans like Detroit. When I was going to school, the number one exploiters in Detroit was Arab population, which I'm Muslim. I'm Muslim. They practice the Islamic faith and all that kind of stuff. See, I think the ballot of militant Islam, you can only ballot with knowledge. You mean, and you can only ballot within context of that scripture, what's in there pointing out the error. You can never defeat it. You know, you can never defeat it with weapons and all that kind of, it'll never happen. Okay, now, okay, get back to, you're talking about. That I should be more afraid of a cop than a person that looks Islamic or if that's even the right term or terminology to use. If we're going to go by the results. I understand what you're saying, but what I'm saying is that, that according to what ISIS is trying to do, what you're saying is accurate. But this homegrown thing is, it's probably going to blow up pretty soon. And that's what I'm saying is, is you're right about. Yeah. And that's a show in itself. How many have you seen, let's just think about it now. How many homegrown terrorist incidents did we know about? Just go, we can even go to the last two years. Have you known 20? Have there been more than 20 that we know about? You got to take a lot of what's going on when they start talking about the shootings like it's Sandy Hook and some of these schools and stuff that are going on. Those are, what I look at is, those aren't. And my. I don't mind a homegrown terrorist. Those are troubled youth that's got some screws that are loose. But what he's saying. Go ahead. Go ahead. I mean, I mean, they still are doing a lot of the destruction and stuff. They aren't, they aren't necessarily targeting, targeting. Innocent people. Well, they're targeting innocent people, but they don't have a stance. Their motives. Their motives. Let me ask one question. Let me ask. I guess I'm having a problem with the semantics of it because let's break that word up. Let's break up homegrown. I mean, somebody that's come from here, right? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Terrorists. Mm-hmm. The meaning of terrorist is somebody that terrorize the population. I know where you're going with this. Go ahead. Go ahead. We're going to break out. A homegrown terrorist. It's when I'm looking at people like what Dr. King that was dealing with when they dealing with the clans. Mm-hmm. See, and people don't call that Christian terrorists do it. They didn't. Do they, you ever hear them refer to the. I never heard it. That they don't call. I've heard of. I've heard of. Do they ever consider the clan to be Christian? Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. They use the Bible. Exactly. They stand on that. But just because you use the Bible and that's what you stand on doesn't make you a Christian. I know, but that's what they call themselves. Now, say that about Islam. Just because they used, you see what I mean? Right. And that's what I'm saying. I don't think everybody that's Muslim is a terrorist. Right. There's extremists. There's extremists in every religion. There's extremists in every religion, every race, every walk of life. Yeah. There's extremists. So you're saying every religion has the. Oh, without a doubt. Terrorist side that we just labeled as specific. Well, historically, the point of view, you can always, you can even go back as far as before Judaism, before Islam and Christianity came into existence. When you had Judaism, just read the works of Flavius Josephus, and you see that you had a group called the Zealots. They mentioned them, one of Jesus' disciples was a zealot. They would have been called terrorists because they were fighting, it was an underground movement against the Roman Empire. Mm-hmm. That had occupied their land. See? And all, and then when you think about the Crusades, you know, you can't match the vicious history of the Crusades. The murders and the The murders and the When they would fight, you know, Islam against Christianity then. Mm-hmm. See? But what I'm seeing now, and I really think we're moving past that. Our young people that's spending all of this time on these little machines picking up games, they better start picking up all this access of information that they have. Mm-hmm. Right at their fingertips to keep from letting these different governments and stuff manipulate them into wars where they send other people off to fight for them, not their children, the people that's causing all of these wars and stuff. Mm-hmm. That's all I'm saying like that. I just think it's a whole fallacy, the way that they emphasize on this homegrown, the whole terrorist concept. Well, you know. Denise was bringing out something about that's where a lot of them are. A lot of them are learning it. Were you saying that the two guys in France were learned? Well, they learned. They actually were taught, you know, they didn't go over to Iraq or Syria or whatever. They were taught in an apartment in Paris. That's right. And because nowadays. The internet, right? They were using the internet. Well, they were internet and stuff. But because that's the way, I mean, let's face it, you know, one of the reasons they said that Obama was so popular was he was able to use the internet. He was able to. Yeah, he was very active on social media. On those things. Mm-hmm. And that was something that nobody else had ever had run for president or other things had ever been able to do. You can reach a whole lot more people for not a lot of money on the internet. So you have young kids, you know, that are very impressionable. You're talking about 16 to 25-year-olds. They're trying to feel their oats and find something. So they get on the internet and they get sucked into whatever type of groups it is. You know, whether it's black Muslim, it's Judaism, it's Christian. Right. Christianity, whatever it is. And they take whatever they read as the honest-to-God truth out there. They don't do a lot of that research. Okay, now, okay, Melvin was saying, and what you're saying is we're talking about a solution or how do we stop it. It seems like to me that we can stop it if we cut it out or take it off of the internet. Because that's what's bringing it in. But you know that. I mean, that's what you're saying. I mean, they're playing games, but a lot of them are learning how to make bombs and getting, being influenced by this, the social media. But as you go and you're going now against everything that the country stands for by taking away your constitutional right to freedom of press and freedom of speech. By saying, who's going to be the one that determines what's okay to put on the internet and what's not okay to put on the internet? And who's going to be the one that says. But they do that anyway. I think like with a lot of stuff that's going on with NSA. And kind of tapping into phone calls and conversations like that. I think people are labeling that as unconstitutional because you can't know if you're on a watch list or know if you're, you know, your phone calls are being tapped into. And people, they say that that's used as a way to kind of combat terrorism. But they're, you know, kind of targeting people that aren't really, you know, suspicious or anything like that. But how do you know they're suspicious? Because you don't know that the person sitting right next to you in class is suspicious. Right. And the person sitting right next to you in class, you don't know what they've gone on and what they're doing. They look just like we all look and stuff. These people that, you know, that are going out like in the Sandy Hook. These were, this was just, you know, a common little kid that nobody knew when he was at the grocery store the week before buying a soda. That he was going in with some kind of gun and killing half, you know, 30 kids. Okay. But what Shante is saying about the bugging. Is that maybe a solution to. No, wait a minute. Okay. I'm just saying. Is it like. I didn't think of that first. Is it a solution to listen in and maybe foil a lot of the plots that are being, you know, conjured or planned to attack innocent people? If there's such a thing. Did Lee, you want to say something? No, you want to join? And then I want to comment. Okay. I want to comment on that. Let me see. You know, some people like green peas and some people don't. Right? Hold on. I'm here. Everybody don't want a democracy. They've been living their way for a thousand years and you can't force it on them. It's like you can't force the green peas on somebody that don't eat them. They're allergic to them. You know what I'm saying? For, who knows, the last 50 years, let's say 50 years, the floodgates of America has been open. Right? They never thought about none of this stuff that's going on now. Never gave an inkling about it. You know, just open the floodgates up. No check, nobody. Run across wherever they come from. Come on in. Right? Give you $25,000, start your business up. You know, now all of this is coming back to get them. It's coming back to get everybody. But when you say people like groups, ISIS and all this other stuff right here. Right? You just don't come up one day and just invent, you know, just call this thing ISIS. We're going to get together. We're going to do this right here. You know, it's way up in the air, man. It's way up to where the average person, even things you get off the internet, you got to question some of that stuff. You know what I'm saying? Because you really don't know unless you there. You don't know. You know, and they can feed you. Oh, you're talking about media. Yeah. They can feed you a whole bunch of junk. And have you swiped? And have you swallowed? And have you looking at everybody? Where are Kufi? Your heart start racing. You know? And then you turn in your homegrown thing, right? Mm-hmm. 25 years ago, was people blowing up buildings, killing people like this right here? I don't know. No. I'll tell you now. No. Not even Sandy Hook and none of the rest of this stuff was going on. Oh, you mean at the scale of in America? In America. In America. In America, right? Uh-huh. Because one, those that are Muslim, I'm not talking about playing, they don't go out and kill people for no reason at all. Mm-hmm. Those that do are not Muslim. I don't care what you call it, you're not a Muslim. I understand what you're saying. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You can't go out, you don't do that. The book, the Quran, it tell you no, can't happen. Right. It's like suicide. You don't own yourself. You know? And everything, everything happens by the will of God. And that's in the Bible. Mm-hmm. And I, see, and what I want to say, getting back to, we talked a little earlier about Dr. King. Mm-hmm. And the most important things that he was trying to push. And he said these three greatest evils that he warned about. Remember, Dr. King assassinated him in 1968. Right. Mm-hmm. So he's been gone quite some time. He said, you know, I'm not going to kill anybody. I'm going to kill everybody. I'm going to kill everybody. I'm going to kill everybody. I'm going to kill everybody. I'm going to kill everybody. I'm going to kill everybody. He said it was poverty, the military, and what else? Racism. Right? All this other stuff diverts from what, from the truth that he's telling you. You want to know what's happening? The problem in this society, we still haven't made the adjustment from enslaving, from one group of people enslaving another group of people for almost 40 years. Right. So you want to know what's happening? Well, you know, you have to understand that the problem is that the government is not going to stop you from doing what you want to do. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Well, I'm telling you that it's a whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole whole all the past summer proved that. And then the reality of the situation is sharing the huge amount of wealth that was developed from exploiting a particular people for almost 400 years. See, that's at the root of the problem. That's at the root of that lot. I'm just breaking it down. In the end, this is what Dr. King was talking about when he was talking about racism, how to solve that problem. See, just can't sweep it under the rug and pretend that all of that don't affect what's happening in our society today. And then the poverty thing that's tied into that. So many people out of jobs and stuff. Way more people out of jobs in the Islamic world than over here, but it still affects mainly people of color in these inner cities and stuff like that, right? And what's the other one he talked about? Warfare. I mean, we got all of this technology. We're in the most technical age that we live in and we still, we're out there fighting each other like dogs like we was in the first century or something or going back to B.C. See, what I'm saying that it is time to look past the media. Our young people, that's what I'm hoping that they use technology the right way to really educate the world, to develop a whole different kind of society because when you talk about Islam and they talking about militant Islam and they ain't talking about the educational system that is the way that is. That Islam created that they use now or the medical system that Islam created that they use now. See, all they want to do is to make them focus in on some people that's doing the same thing that the clans and all of these other castles doing back in history. All I'm saying is that if we're going to deal with this homegrown terrorist thing that they're trying to throw at us and also look at it, France, you got to keep this in mind about France because France, from a historical point of view, France have always passed the ball when they go out here and explore it and then they get into trouble and then they pass it off to their ally, the United States. That's what happened to Vietnam. They explored Vietnam for all these years and then when the Vietnamese knocked them out of there, they reached around and got the United States involved and stuff like that. See, I'm not saying that any of this is right. All I'm saying is that I think it's right. I believe in what Dr. King was talking about, that the solution is a nonviolent solution and we can no longer allow these people in power who make all of these crazy laws but they're not willing to commit their kids to go out and fight in Iraq and all of these other places and stuff like that. 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Now, yeah, the police have been doing it for years and officials in government, top officials in governments have approving, approved it and shut their eyes and cheated and stole and beat and all that kind of stuff. But the fact, the matter is to me that there are people that want us dead. Well, Jim, you say that, you say people that want us dead. You're talking about yourself personally or Americans, period. I mean, you know, you're talking about Black Americans, Latino Americans, Asian Americans. Americans and see, and when you say Black America or Black Americans, everybody wants us dead. Everybody. I'm glad you said that because my next little thing is right here. You know, Melvin said something about the, the politicians, they'll send your kids to war, but they won't send their family. Right? You know, and if we look back in the history, like that little thing, Black Wall Street, right? You weren't able to go to war. You weren't able to participate in these wars. Right? So you stayed at home. Right? And while you stayed at home, you progressed. Right? Because you could focus in on really what you wanted to do. Right? It's like the thing, you know, most areas like that. I'm not understanding that. Well, I think, I understand what Lee is saying, but the thing is, since 1972, the draft has not been in place. Yeah. So, you know, prior to that, when the draft was in place and, you know, you look at the percentage of the amount of people that were drafted, you know, I went predominantly to an all white school. There was a whole lot of kids that I went to school with that were drafted to. Probably not the same ratio as, you know, maybe blacks or Hispanics or anything. But since 72, the draft has not been in place. The problem is, is that our kids aren't getting the education to move on where you say that those out were able to stay at home in the 60s and 70s got the education where, you know, the poor people were the ones that were out fighting a political war that was out there. I think now, one of the things that Melvin brought up that Dr. King had said was one of our biggest issues was poverty. With what's going on now, you know, there's poverty in every major city that's out there. And the government pumps tons of money into that. But the problem is with pumping tons of money into the poverty is not the solution by just putting more money in down through there. We're not, the money isn't being, in my opinion, used properly to try to educate the kids, educate the moms and the dads to get a job. Just handing money out on a welfare or an EBT card is not helping the situation. It's just, it's just creating another generation of the same thing over and over. The only way that we're going to really be able to help, you know, the poverty situation is to get people to, you know, get up and say, I'm going to get my, I'm going to somehow get myself out of this. There's a million programs out there to help you brush yourself off and say, I'm not going to do this no more. but what does that got to do with people trying to kill us? And I know what you're saying, black people, and in my opinion. Are you saying it's about what we should be focusing on instead of focusing on that? Well, I'm saying that the most important focus is what Denise was saying earlier. We know this whole concept that they call homegrown terrorists exists. So the question that we should be asking, why? We want to get these results on why. And then, how can we solve this why? The questions that come up. And I think it's a similar thing that we're seeing that you would ask when we want to know how come gangs in the city, what's the reason for so many gangs fighting and killing each other? We call them terrorists. Right. I mean, they're not, because they're terrorists. The key thing in solving the problems that afflict the gangs, and most of them is so similar because there's economics that are usually at the bottom and isolation, a sense of isolation. It's similar here. So when we figure that out, instead of letting the media drive us, we're going to have to drive it. Then, we could do what Denise was talking about a little earlier, utilize all of this money that they throw at an idea and come up with some real solutions, which in the majority of cases is cheaper than that. And it starts with knowledge. It starts with, just like, if you're going to deal with the guys that get involved with gangs and all that, that situation has to be studied. The question has to be asked, why are they involved with gangs? Is it any kind of factors? Does it have anything to do with the fact that they might have come out of single homes or their father might be in prison or they don't have any jobs or anything like that? Or they don't have a mom or the environment they grew up in. But how do you pump money into that? No, I'm saying, all I'm saying, How do you pump money into a mentality that wants to kill and hurt because they're killing? Here's the way, here's the way. What I'm saying is, first, you get to correct the people and you get to correct information. You get to correct information why you have this result, why you have these gangs acting like this. And then, you ask the next question. What can I do to solve this? If these young men need to be re-educated or need to be provided jobs and all that kind of stuff. And then you move over to the whole concept that they're talking about with the homegrown terrorists, right? And you ask, now is anybody, well, a few out there, but not enough. They should be asking, when they see these, like the young man that just did an incident that they got in Ohio. Very intelligent, looked like a very intelligent man, skilled, and now we watch this young man because when you're dealing with the feds, you're facing 30, 40 years, he never hit the street again. So we should start asking the question, how, you know, what's missing in their background to make them want to do this? How do they get involved with something like that? Now, this guy, this is not just a nice home and stuff, right? Yeah. I heard his dad talking and saying that if he knew what he was doing, he would have beat his butt. So he was kind of down to earth, but I don't know if they had money or his situation. It didn't look like they did because he shared a room with his brother. Well, he looked like a, you know, when you say a typical family growing on up, they weren't very well-to-do so that the kids were sporting their own stuff. They weren't spoiled getting whatever they want, but it didn't look like that they were, you know, waiting for their next bite of food to come on either. That it was probably mom and dad both working and they paid the bills monthly. And mom and dad is a key. And they had the mom and dad in the household in there. And still something is missing. Well, I think Lee hit on something earlier too that on some of this that's coming back to really kind of bite the country. You know, the country was in a lot of trouble and it was built on, you know, we'll take your weary, we'll take your poor, we'll take anybody that wants to come in here. And maybe that worked back 200 years ago when the country was being, you know, developed and stuff. People were coming away from the poverty. But what's happened over the years is more and more of the third world countries, whether it's Middle Eastern or whether it's down in South America or wherever it's coming from, pretty much anybody, they just came on in. There was no checks. There was no balance. Even if you went through and you got some kind of a visa or whatever to come in here, it could expire and you're still here 20 years and it's been expired. Nobody ever went to check up on you. All of those customs and all of that baggage came with those people when they came on in and there was no checks or balance on anything going on. And so there's been a lot of things that's gone on in their home countries that may not have been in their home countries and may not have been in their home countries. And so there's been a lot of things that's gone on that may not have been handled properly. And like Melvin was saying, with the United States getting into every little tiff over there if they thought it was going to benefit them in some way, there's a lot of people from those countries and they're getting maybe their family members, whether it's a second or third cousin down the road that's sending stuff back because, again, we got the internet and we got the phone system so everybody knows everything that's going on. But I think that's like stirring up this pot that causes a lot of now I've got family that are going to be and I'm trying to deal with me in a country. So which way am I actually going to go? What's thicker? You know, family or loyalty to a country? Blood or money. You know, really what it comes down to. And I mean, you see that. I mean, look what's going on now. You know, just with when they opened up just as an example saying that illegal immigrants can get a driver's license. Even if you had an appointment which was taking six to eight weeks, it was taking anywhere from, you know, six and seven hours just to get up to the door to say I have an appointment because you couldn't just walk in. There was just people lined up all the way around trying to get, you know, trying to get a driver's license which says this is how many people that actually were going to try to, you know, do something right that were here illegal. How many of them either don't drive or just figure I've been doing this for 15 years. What difference does it make? I don't need a license. Yeah. And none of those are documented. Who knows what who knows who they are, what they flexed, what they flexed, or anything else that could come over here. What they're harvesting inside of it. Or what they're feeding back to their homeland. You don't really know what kind of information is going back out either. And I'd just like to say also one thing. The major fault of what's happening in the Islamic world today because the United States is right at the center of it has to do with the Islamic leadership over here. See, as far as I'm concerned. Are you talking extremist leadership or are you just talking Islam? There's no extremist leadership over here in America in Islam. Because the government wouldn't permit it. I mean that you can speak of. Right, but you know how they got. Yeah, that we know of. That you know of. Yeah, what you have is modern Islam controlled mainly by the immigrant Muslims and stuff that control most of the mass jihad, Islamic center. I always said, and I still stand by this, potentially the group that has the potential, right, to solve this whole Islamic problem that they're dealing with right now. Is it true? Is the ones that war of the Muhammad left behind that used to be part of the nation of Islam. I'm not talking about, because people confuse that with a minister of . And I, you know, they do a great job in terms of black nationalism and all that kind of stuff. But to deal with Islam, we deal with real Islam and stuff like that. It's the same thing like to deal with Christianity, deal with Judaism. It comes with knowledge, knowing that scripture. I know, but what you're saying is that we don't have to deal with true Islam because there's not a problem there. We have to deal. Is there a problem? Oh yeah, that is the problem. True Islam. If you read, if you go on, you know, if you go into Quran and you live according to Quran and Sunnah, right? Then you don't have no problems. Okay, but that's true Islam. Let me get you. Not extreme Islamic, right? I wouldn't even give you one example. Am I confusing it? Let me get you one. Let me say this, baby. Yeah, I'm gonna say it. You know, that, I was looking at a movie today, documentary, it's about Crips and Bloods. That's where it starts. It's called Made in America. You've probably seen it, right? And the guy on there talking to somebody older, right? He said that back in the 50s, he wanted to join the Boy Scouts, right? But when he went, his mom took him down to join the Boy Scouts, right? The leader of people that, you know, didn't say, well, I don't know, because the parents might not like that, you know? So, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm good, but he was black. He was black. Parents might not like that. So he went on back. And then he started, they started, they wanted a club, but they called it a club and other people called it a gang, right? So in Islam, they're doing the same thing, right? You're calling somebody that's a Muslim, right, a gang. Terrorists. Terrorists. You know, you look at, if I remember back there, when was that, in 2001? Man, they shot Muslims off of ladders. Back here on Central Avenue. Back here on Central Avenue. Back here on Central Avenue. Oh, uh-huh. Right? Guy working on an apartment building. Gets shot in the back. By black people or just by whoever? I don't know who. We don't know who. But this is the kind of phobia that gets people killed. That's true. You know what I'm saying? Not to you looking for some old terrorist. You call them a terrorist because you can find a whole bunch of people, terrorists. You know, a whole bunch of them. All different colors and shades, you know, and heights and sizes, you know? Well, it was after the September 11th thing that kind of- Exactly. Sparked the- And so everybody focusing just on Muslims. Yeah. Just Muslims. Don't care which one it is. And people are kind of angry about the profiling and stuff that's going on. And they doing the same thing today with this homegrown thing. You know? If it didn't happen 50 years ago, 25 years ago, then what? If anybody had a gripe- But is the homegrown things targeting Muslims specifically or just anybody? I mean, there's just- Well, I think it's- I think it's a Muslim- That it could be anybody. I mean, well, no. Because if it's homegrown, it seems like it's a domestic thing where it could be any person. They called Tim McVeigh a homegrown terrorist. He wasn't promoting anything to do with Islam or anything else like that, but they called him homegrown terrorist. But Tim McVeigh got into, was about to do Koresh in Texas. They was collating together. So he retaliated because of that, that incident. What I want to say is this. Because like I mentioned earlier, I don't think that word homegrown terrorist, when you break it down, has absolutely no meaning because it can apply to a lot of different situations. But what I want to say is I want to give you an example of the difference between Islam and pretend Islam. Islam is based upon the revelations of the Quran, right? The Quran in Surah 2 say there is no compulsion. It's not a revelation. It's not a revelation. There's no compulsion in religion. In other words, you can't force another person to accept that. Do you hear any of these Islamic teachers coming up here debating with these so-called, what they won't ever call these homegrown terrorists or the people that's pushing this other one? Here's another example that's in the Quran. The Quran say that you can't take your own life. You know? Now all these suicide bombers that's doing this. Do you hear any examples of this? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Islamic scholars over here trying to point out that this is not Islam. This is where I say that a lot of these immigrant Muslims, not all of them, but the huge majority of them, you know, I put it at their fault because these are the ones that come over here and try to forget about the situation that they left over there. So you're trying to say, they dropped the ball and forgetting and not trying to set a situation or teach their children that this is not... Their situation is similar to a lot of African Americans who get their education and move into the boardroom and forget about the people in the ghetto and the people living on the streets that hit road because they making their money now. Same thing. You know, it's no different. I think what I'm getting from Melvin is the same thing that's gone on with the the Christian faith. You know, I mean, how many different types of Christians, you know, when you say Christian is there, you know, when you take a look at it between, you know, there's the Catholic, there's the Lutheran, there's the Protestant, there's the Baptist, there's the non-denominational and stuff. I mean, even when you have, you know, all kinds of people coming back and some of these, when you even get into into the Mormons and stuff, they're saying, well, we're Christian. But a lot of these are created through somebody. They're, you know, they're not. I mean, they have a founder. They have a founder of these type of things. So, you know, because, you know, you know, myself included on this is that, you know, don't understand, don't really know the the the Quran, the Quran or anything like that. So when you hear about someone that says, oh, well, they're Muslim, you know, you automatically think Muslims all have the same belief. Just like if you were saying same Christians, all right. But yet, because I understand Christians, they're not Christians. They're not Muslims. They're not Muslims. They're not Muslims. 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