Christopher Dorner manhunt and manifesto analysis

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And police believe that Christopher Dorner was inside. I am standing at the one-time police command post, the heart of that manhunt for Christopher Dorner, and right over my shoulder, those houses right there, we now know that's where Dorner was holed up just as of yesterday. Neighbors. Telling us he very well may have been hiding in plain sight. So, he is dead. That, uh, that, I mean, they took him a while to identify, but they knew. They said he looked like a melted LL Cool J, a melt-melt Cool J right off the bat. So, he is dead, although conspiracy theorists right off the bat wanted to point to the, they couldn't identify the body, but his license somehow was readable right next to him. Oh, yeah, for sure. Because, you know, plastic doesn't melt. No, no. Apparently, it has a higher melting point than... No, no. Apparently, it has a higher melting point than... No, no. A higher melting point than, uh, melting temperature than, say, an ex-cop. Oh, yeah. So, that's nice. But he is dead. Uh, that was one of the crazier, crazier stories that we've had in the news. I mean, when you start off the week with that story over, hey, the Pope just resigned, uh, suddenly, that's, you know, it's a big story. Yeah, the Pope got bumped. The Pope got bumped is right. Um, so, there's a handful of different angles I want to, I want to touch on this story with. First of which is... Why did a guy who was going on a killing spree get so much sympathy from people? There were people, I don't want to say rooting for him, and... No, say rooting. They were rooting for him. They were rooting for him, but most people that were rooting for him are ignoring the, who he's killed. They're kind of, they seem to be, they seem to be rooting for him to still get whatever his message is out. You know, I, I... I think, I, honestly, I think some of them are for the message. Some of them were rooting for him to win. Like, this is... How would he win? Is he going to wipe out the whole... What is this? Is this Rambo? Is this the first Rambo? Rambo movie? Is he... Let's, let's set the table first with, we all agree that shooting people dead is a bad thing. Let's talk about the emotions that everyone was getting into. People, people have a natural inclination or disinclination towards authority. And in particular, the LAPD happens to have one of the most natural disinclinations towards it. I don't even know if I'm using that word correctly. You're using it fine. Oh, fantastic. But the LAPD has a lot of stored up ill will just for being an authority figure and also for, you know, hitting people. Here and there. And then you start putting the story together. There are some people, I am not one of them, who if the entire Los Angeles police force was shot, they would celebrate. There are people who hold that opinion for whatever number of reasons they might. And so I think this was just, some people were going, I like the story. Some people are just stupid going, yeah, it's like TV. And some people wanted him to kill cops. Well, yeah, I think the last part is I'm hoping, and I'm not saying that they don't exist. They certainly do exist. But I, I'm hoping the last... The last part that just want people to die is a small, or cops to die is a small percentage. I think you underestimate the percentage of people who are bloodthirsty in the human population. Bloodthirsty and people that, you know, of minorities who have a good reason through old stories and reputation to be very distrustful of the LAPD. But I'm just saying it, it would be wrong. I mean, extremely wrong to try to classify all cops as they're bad cops due to a handful of bad cops. Absolutely. But. But he did have over eight, well, I don't say he. There was a Facebook page called We Are All Chris Dorner, over 18,000 followers. There's got to be a reason for that. The LAPD already had a horrible reputation, obviously. And this was part of what I think got him. You said part of the people that you think were supporting him are people that, oh, this is great TV. And I think there is an element of people, I don't want to say confusing real life with entertainment, but there is that element of people immediately start talking like, oh, is this guy, is he going to be some kind of Rambo? Is he just leading the cops into some sort of trap when they go up to Big Bear? And there is that element you want to see that one guy. You wanted to see the story continue without innocent people dying. And the thing is, I think he has more than 18,000 followers on that page in Facebook if he didn't kill the daughter of a cop to start the whole story off. I think you're right. You're absolutely right. If it had just been police officers, I think this is what you would have even seen a worse reaction in terms of the type of people coming behind him. Yeah, I know. I tend to agree with you. I mean, I think it's people lose sight of the fact that innocent people are dying and they picked up on his reasoning for what, and in his manifesto, for a man who obviously was not thinking, there's definitely a break in reality with this guy's reasoning. I mean, he laid out, he had a 20-page manifesto, which went, somebody writes a manifesto, and we've said this before, people are dying. Nobody ever writes a manifesto with a fucking happy ending. That doesn't happen. So, this guy— I wrote a manifesto for baking cakes. Exactly. Does not have—everybody dies in that cake story. But here's the thing, is this guy writes 20 pages, and he specifically laid out a case as to how he was wrongfully terminated. Now, I was not there. I can't say that he's telling the truth. But with the reputation the police have, that part right off the bat was easy to believe. I think people disassociated, too. I think that's a big thing that people don't talk about, is everyone didn't associate what was happening with any actual death. That's the thing, is I think they focused on this guy feels like he's wrong. You hear something horrible going on, or there's a murderer going around, and then you hear, well, he's only going after specific people, and here's why he's going after specific people. Well, then everybody gets sucked into, well, what could this crazy man's reasoning be? And you hear the reasoning, and it falls into a stereotype. You already believed or have heard about the reputation of the LAPD. And now you go, oh, this guy may have a case. I think the reasoning thing is an important element you bring up. Because when you look at Aurora, you look at Sandy Hook, there was no reason there. The senselessness of it made it more frightening. But now that this is focused, there's a purpose behind it, that makes it all the more intriguing. Also, I think people had the ability to understand, wait, maybe not agree, be like, okay, you probably shouldn't kill people. But since there was a reasoning behind it, people could grasp onto it rather than a shooter who's just like, I'm going to kill people for no apparent reason. No, I agree. And there's also probably an element of, well, I feel safe because he's not coming after me. Oh, yeah. So there's that, you lose that public fear of, oh, shit, anybody, like when the sniper was loose, you know, a few years back, when the snipers were loose going around, what was it, Salvo, whatever that guy's name was, and they were killing people. And he laid it out. And I think you're right. With the reasoning, people are able to disconnect the whole element of, what is this guy doing with what is his reason? And when you have people like Adam Lanza, you go, well, there doesn't seem to be a reason. Now you're just dealing with, how do you deal with crazy people before they get a gun? Instead, now you're dealing with what is his reason? And you can focus on, well, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Well, maybe he has a point. However, once you say maybe he has a point, you're obviously disassociating yourself with, his logic was, I now need to kill anybody connected to the people I feel wronged me. That's really, the hard part, too, is his reason. We keep going back to the reason. His reason was one that people could get behind to a certain extent. I think that created a lot of that public support, if you want to call it that, was his reason of their cops are beating people, and there's racism and things like that. They're all things where someone inside might go, you know, I really wish I could kill somebody for saying blank. And then they logically go, you know what? I probably shouldn't kill that guy. Well, I don't think logic played, you know, logic with this guy didn't play a whole lot. He lost the logic right at the end. He went off, you know, the wheels came off the truck. Well, that's the thing is when you're writing a 20-page manifesto and you clearly lay out why you feel you're wronged and why you're, why you are declaring war against a certain group of people, and now you turn around and you go, therefore, I have logically concluded that the only way for me to get my name back is by killing people. So if this guy is correct, if he is successful, what he will do or what he ended up doing was changing his name possibly from a man or his reputation from a man who makes false statements to a mass murderer. Yeah, I mean, what qualifies as mass? He got four? Was that his total? Four is enough. Four is enough. That's mass? I don't actually know the definition now, what the mass murderer is. Here's the thing is, if you kill more than one person and it's not just one event where you accidentally, you know, it's not a car accident. Yeah, if you're specifically targeting people, no, I don't know. There may be a legal actual, you know, definition of mass murder, but when you're picking people off and you've hit more than one, that's mass. Yeah, I'm going with mass. I think that if his reasons, and that manifesto again, his manifesto gave reasons that people could buy into. I think if his reasons were, well, I don't like that they all wear the, same color blue, that bothers me. And a lot of them, they took all the peanut butter from the mess and I didn't like, if those were his reasons, people would have been like, this guy's nuts. Yeah. And they wouldn't have had, but I think that his, I think that this sort of fight for justice gave him a folk hero sort of feeling. Yes. And that seems to be the thing is everyone wanted to, that folk hero feeling, people tried to, they tried to associate him with, you know, fake characters. They were, there was that Rambo element. There was that, oh, this guy, he's, he knows how the LAPD work. He's, you know, he's in the military or at least has military training. You know, there's no, I mean, days before, let me phrase that, the day he ended up being captured, but hours before, Jeremy and I were talking, I'm like, this guy, there's no way this guy lit his own truck on fire in order to get, like, if this guy lit his truck on fire to draw the police in, he was either going to be leading him into a trap, which already seems way too movie-like, or he had another car and he's hours away and just set this thing to blow up, you know, two hours, three hours after he leaves, draws everybody in and he's already gone, which doesn't seem as movie-like. It seems like this guy, with the weapons he had, he could have made a bomb that went off after a certain amount of time and blew the truck up. So the fact that he was there made you right off the bat go, holy shit, this guy, we thought he was gone and he's actually where they're searching and you go, maybe he's not as smart as I originally thought. On the other hand, he was feet from where the police actually were. Actually had their headquarters or their command center. Feet from it. He was walking distance from there, somehow, and I like the, they asked the police, they said he was hiding right across the street from you guys. Didn't you check that place? You supposedly were going door to door and they said, well, we did, but the door was locked so we weren't going to break the door down. You're like, so your house to house check consists of hoping that the suspect goes, yeah, come on in, I'm in here. Hey, can we borrow some sugar? Just like a cup and a half. I mean, literally, the LAPD's check was, anybody in there? Well, nothing we can do here. Nobody answered. That was it. That's thorough. That is thorough. That's procedure. So he went from, you know, he kept in my mind going from, oh, this guy's brilliant to, oh, what an idiot. He's still in Big Bear to, holy shit, that was pretty brilliant. But if these two people didn't go in to clean the place, they never would have found him, at least wouldn't have found him yet. That's what started the whole, you know, pick the manhunt back up. They basically started giving up and going, oh, shit, I think, maybe he's in Mexico. I wonder if he was trying to wait it out. That would have been interesting. I think he was trying to wait it out. And then the people walked in on him. That's how he ended up. That's how the whole thing, the two homeowners, they first made it sound like they were two random housekeepers that were coming in to clean the place. But it was two homeowners who rent out this cabin. And they weren't staying there. They went in to clean up and I guess get it ready for another rental. And they walked in and he was there holding a gun and said to them, hey, relax, stay quiet, stay calm. And the woman took off and he got up and tracked, you know, and I don't know how he subdued her, but got them both, tied them both up. And, but according to them said, I have no beef with you. I'm not going to hurt you. You're not who my war is against and tied them up and then took their car to go do some other stuff because they're looking for his car. He ended up crashing that car and, so he ran out with a gun to go carjack somebody and get another vehicle. So he, as he's taking their car and he's gone, one of the two hostages escapes. How the heck does a guy with his training not know how to tie a knot? Well, I don't think, they said she was, I don't know. That's a good question. She ended up hopping to her cell phone somehow and able to call 911, which you would think would have made them just say, why don't you walk out your door and get the cops right across the street? That sounds like a good idea. But she called 911 so the cops start showing up. As he crashes his car, he carjacks somebody and according to this guy, a 60-something-year-old man, he sees Dorner jump out of nowhere with a shotgun pointed at him and I think a shotgun or a rifle, I forget which one, but with either way, they're both going to hurt. So he points it at him. The guy stops. He says, again, I have no beef with you. Take your dog and start walking up the road. So also ties into that whole folkloric kind of thing. So, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, so, hostage but the police then showed up when he carjacked and so he took the truck went and ended up going back to the cabin and then there was a shootout and that's how he ended up getting caught um i was interested by how they had all the the press back off that was really curious i mean i guess i understand their reasons blah blah blah but that also added more to this big conspiracy theory level of hey let's clear the press clear the cameras yeah well what's going on well yeah and here's the other thing is was there any doubt in your mind that he was not going to be taken alive now forget the fact that he probably didn't want to be taken alive or said he wasn't going to be but did you think not for a second he was not coming in on his own two feet the only way you could avoid that guy the only way that guy could have come out alive the only way i could even see it possible is if he makes a big public spectacle about coming out with his hands up in front of a bunch of press so they would have to see them shoot this guy which is why the press which is why the press i mean think about the last time they got rid of the press was occupy that's why i remember them saying press back away was every time they broke up an occupy wall street protest yeah so you know what's going on there you're twisting ankles and maybe throwing a couple of blows i don't yeah i mean i think everybody pretty much expected i didn't know if i saw fire but as soon as i heard there was a fire whose mind didn't go to waco and go oh you guys are just waiting around the perimeter but yet somehow there's a fire and the cops originally said we didn't start the fire it was always burning since the world's been turning you but they uh they eventually came with well maybe there's audio of them saying are you ready to send in the burner which they again say isn't supposed to necessarily start a fire but now they're like well maybe we started the fire but not on purpose yet nobody thought nobody at all thought that he was going to be getting out alive how did these kerosene soaked rags and up inside this house we don't know it was just weird that is that is bizarre um but i mean really you saw it coming and uh and when we come back from that we're going to be back with a new episode of the fire in the break we're going to talk about whether or not before he died dorner actually accomplished his mission uh so uh when we come back when we come back we'll talk about that and whether he actually accomplished his mission this is the ken august show live at skid row studios real radio on the internet tune into oral stimulation wednesdays 9 p.m pacific skid row studios doc oh hello uh this is linda king and i'm reading from my new book loving and hating charles bakowski this uh book should have been out about 30 years ago but it's finally out so i'm going to read you one poem right now 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That is fantastic. I just like to do that. Make sure you're still with us. So we were talking about Christopher Dorner and that crazy manhunt. And, you know, I'm curious whether you think, did he accomplish his mission before he burned to death? The cops in multiple occasions, first of all, we already talked about the reputation of the LAPD. So he put that out there. And that was already out there. But I mean, he put that out there with a specific example. Um, and a lot of people thought, you know, he went back in his manifesto back to, he referred to the Rodney King days and says, everybody that was involved in that whole mess has basically been promoted at this point in time. I think that if we're using the George Bush definition, when he can put up his mission accomplished banner and we're good to go, because he got about 35% of the way through his mission, I would say. And here's, and here's the big one is I had no, I knew that they didn't get anything. And that was why there were riots. I had no idea that the Rodney King police officers were higher ups. Now, I guess it's logically, you would think that over time you get promotions, but it wasn't in my consciousness. So there's a big one. Yeah, he did. He did put it in people's consciousness, or at least he brought, put it back in their consciousness. Um, something else he did was they reopened. They said before he, you know, died, they said they were reopening the case that got him fired from the police department in the first place. What makes me laugh about that is they say they're reopening it. Why they have them while they have a man, Hunter going on for him, but they don't want to seem like they're referring to him at that point as a domestic terrorist. So what they want to do is they don't want to sound like they are giving into terrorist demands yet. They want to say that, Hey, we're reopening the case to show you that, you know, we are an open department. We're not hiding anything. And, but we're not doing it because of anything Christopher Dorner did. You're like, well, of course you are, but you would not have reopened this case. If this wasn't in the news and it's only in the news because there's a guy killing cops at this point in time. So trying to walk a fine line, which really isn't a fine line. It is a non-existent line to pretend that that is not why you're doing it. But did he expose the cops? I'd say to an extent he brought some more because I think that there's nothing we didn't know about the LAPD and things have got, let's, let's first say the LAPD has improved. It's not a good thing. It's not a good thing. It's not a good thing. It's not a good thing. It's not hard to improve from where they began, but the LAPD has definitively improved. But I think he did remind people. And in particular, let's not talk about the people who were already really in the consciousness of LAPD makes mistakes, but let's go with the middle-class collection of Los Angeles who don't usually deal with the LAPD on a daily basis, who haven't been focused so much on racial tensions and things like that. I think that he reignited that curiosity, reignited that discussion. I think that he reignited that curiosity, and I think that he's been focused on that. I think that he's been focused on that. Well, one thing that he did expose, and this wasn't on purpose because it didn't happen until he started doing what he was doing, was the Keystone cop-like reaction that the police had. I understand being nervous. I understand that you are in a very high-pressure job, especially when you are currently aware that there is somebody trying to kill you or your colleagues. So I am by no means minimizing how difficult that would be. I have already on numerous occasions. I have said how bad of a soldier and for the same reasons a police officer I would be. However, a third person came forward this week after he was shot by LAPD officers because they suspected he was Christopher Dorner. Now, none of these people of the three were even black males. One guy, this guy, was a white male, a skinny white male, as opposed to a 270-pound black man. Very similar. Yeah, very, very similar. The previous two were two Mexicans. Mexican women, I believe, who were delivering newspapers and were driving a car that was similar. Not even, forget the fact that it didn't have a large black man in the car and that it didn't have the same license plate, which you would think they could figure out as the cops, but it wasn't even the exact same car. Open fire, 50 rounds. Oh, yeah. Two women in it. Now, here's my question. Very dangerous. If you don't know who's in the car, how do you not know? Like, would you not assume? Maybe there's, you know, they couldn't have known the two women. Well, let me rephrase that. You assume they didn't know the two women were in the car because if they did, they would have to say, all right, maybe they're hostages. And even if they were, why would they have opened fire? You assume that they didn't believe that Christopher Dorner is a master of disguise. Maybe he could make himself look like two old Mexican ladies. We don't know. You don't know how good he is. He's the bad guy at the end of Scooby-Doo. As long as you pull the mask off, it doesn't really, just everything else falls into place. Absolutely. I mean, he could have made himself up to be a 98-pound white. Man, that's possible. That's totally, he might be that good. He might be the Mission Impossible of real life. That is apparently what the public wanted to believe. But I guess the police are the ones that fell for it. Because 50 rounds, dude. Here's the thing is, they didn't even say, there was no come up. Don't you have to reload like eight times to get 50 rounds? I don't know. How big are their clips? I don't know. I don't. That's a good question. I don't know. I would assume you would. Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. Click, click, click. Shit. Hold on. Stay there. Is there any, is he still a Mexican lady? Let's go on. All right. Stay there. Yeah, we're almost done firing. Now, here's the other thing. That many rounds, they didn't kill anybody. And thank God for that. But they didn't kill anybody. They didn't even, one person was shot twice. She's expected to make a full recovery. And they killed her on that photograph though, right? What do you do? Like, if they would have killed both of them, first of all, and I don't, this is. They would have gotten nothing. They would have gotten zero. Zero. They would have been suspended for a month with pay. Or no, without pay, but then their union would have covered it. And then they would have been cleared later for, it was a reasonable reaction. What about the complete speculation that I'm throwing out that you're talking about two cops who would say, oh shit, we just killed two innocent people for no reason. Maybe we should throw a bag of drugs in the trunk. Sure. It's not impossible. It's been done before. That is 100% speculation. There's no reason to assume that just because they are nervous or inept that they are also evil. That is a complete made up speculation. I'm not claiming. I'm not claiming they would do that. But if you're going to open fire on two people without even getting on your loudspeaker and say, come out with your hands up. I assume that they didn't say that. And the two women were like, no, fuck it. Let's take our chances. Yeah. Oh yeah. They come up, light them up. They go, hey, are you Christopher Dorner? Who are these guys back here? Why is every old person Jewish? Everyone's a Jewish old person to me today. The Mexican Jews. The rarely seen Mexican Jewish woman. There's quite a few. The other woman got shot in the hand. They just hit her in the hand once. Oh yeah. No, they're, they're cracks. 50 rounds, dude. Nothing. And now I understand again, you think that there is a very well-trained individual who is trying to kill you, but at the very least, keep your distance and call for backup if you're that scared. But if that, if every time you're under a huge pressure situation, you just open fire on anyone with a similar car. No, I mean, it's unacceptable by far. I mean, you would think the cops have getting into police work. You would probably be aware that there's dangerous situations that could follow. So if you're not very good in stressful situations, this may not be your job. Well, you do get to carry a firearm, so it makes all the stress go away. That is. What is that? A shadow? Is that Christopher Dorner? I have no idea. Oh, he's 98 pounds and he's, he's very, there's reflection off of his skin. I think he's whatever. Fire. Yeah. Yeah. It's like the South Park episode. I feel better now. Just scream. He's coming right for us. And then open fire. As long as you do that. He's got a security blanket. Now here's another question. Did the police or the police department or whoever puts out the, uh, the offer for the reward, did they scam the public? They offered a million dollar reward for anybody giving information that would lead to the capture and conviction of Christopher Dorner. And if you notice the end of that sentence, the capture and conviction, and as we stated earlier in the show, I don't think there's too many people that really care about the fact that he's dead. I think the only thing that's really important is that the police department or the police department is the one that really thought Dorner was going to come out of that. Oh, is that how they're trying to get by it? Is there saying that he's dead? So there's no, there was no conviction. No conviction. Oh, that's so sketchy. That's what I'm saying. Even Vegas wouldn't do that to you. Two people. Well, Vegas may do that to me, but two people, two people were held hostage, escaped, called the cops. The cops show up and on their way there, they find the people, they find the guy and they capture them and they corner them. And then they eventually find the guy and they capture him and they corner him. And then they eventually find the guy and they capture him and they corner him. And then they eventually kill him and they go, well, we did not convict him. No, they need to pay. That's ridiculous. I mean, that is, what is a bigger break of public trust then? Well, come on close enough. Guys, you, we didn't, you know, you didn't stop us from burning him alive. Slash making him shoot himself in the head. So you don't get the money that you did to help us do the thing that we needed to do. Uh, but you know, here's a badge. Here's a, here's a little fake. It's a little plastic badge. Give it to your kids. They'll have fun playing with that. Yes. And you get a free subway sandwich. If you buy one, you get one free. Oh, they're giving out BOGO cards. They're giving out those as well. Yes. They're like, you know, we don't have a million dollars, but here's a Target gift card. It's got, it was 35. Now it's $27. We actually, we had to, we had to buy some duct tape. From it. But you know, enjoy that. I mean that's that to me is that's tough. First of all, do you think that's perfect? Is that purposely done because because I mean, we'll forget the fact that there's so many reasons why you'd want this guy dead. If you're a cop in the first place, let's just go with all the clean cops who are most of them. You go with all the clean cops and you say, okay, they are at, I mean, they were at the funeral. They, the news was at the funeral for one of the police officers. who was killed by Dorner. And they did an interview with one of the policemen afterwards talking about, are you going to find this guy? And he didn't say, we're going to find him. He said, we're going to find him and we're going to bury him. That is what the guy said. He meant bury him in kisses. I can't blame the guy. If somebody killed one of my buddies, I too would want this guy dead. And especially if he's declaring war on somebody like that. But still- I can blame the guy. You're on TV. Saying we're going to bury him. You're a police officer. I can blame the guy entirely. It's not your job description. It's not your right. It's none of those things. Your job and your right is to enforce the law. And the whole point of this, the whole point of this whole thing was whether right or wrong was at least the appearance of improperly enforcing the law. And that right there, if you want to talk about, we were saying earlier about why the public started coming around to Dorner's side. It's this continue between the shooting of the people who are clearly not at all a giant black dude. Between someone saying, hey, we're going to find him and bury him. This, I think that there's this consistency of actions that are not the proper enforcement of the law. And that, that this did not do, even though this should be making goodwill for the LAPD and it didn't accomplish that whatsoever. Because even within this one story, not properly enforcing the law was a consistent theme. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that is, that is true. Even things he wanted to point out were pointed out in new examples. I mean, he was pointing out, hey, these people, they were wrong and they were corrupt when they fired me. And he's saying they've been wrong and corrupt often. However, once they started chasing them, they were giving all sorts of new examples of bad shit that they were doing. Not necessarily purposely crooked or corrupt, like the cops shooting at the women. That's just bad. That's just bad. That's, that's, that's just bad. I understand, hey, I thought this guy was going to kill me, so I panicked. But again, you're a police officer. You probably are held to a higher standard. If my mom says, hey, I panicked and opened fire, all right, you're not paid to do this for a living. Here's the problem with that mentality too. And the problem with that, with that officer, if you're, you know, with that quote from the funeral, the improper, like just the blatant going, hey, we now suddenly have the right to do this. We now have the right to kill. Police officers have the right to use lethal force when necessary. But that implies that we have the right to kill, which is a very different right. But when you have a very well-trained, just to take the other side for a second, when you have a very well-trained person, one of your own or trained with one of your own, who says, I am declaring war on you and your people and your family, are you really? How much restraint? If someone said, I am not only after you, but your mother, your wife, anybody that you are related to is fair game, would you, would you really be looking to hold back? I am not a sworn in law enforcement officer. If you were, and somebody still said, I understand you have a job. The only, the only place that I really fault that policeman is for saying it publicly. No, I, this guy should have been brought in. This guy should, there should be a trial. I don't care what you do. I don't care if you murder 5,000 babies with a hammer. There should be a trial. Mass hammering. Mass hammer murders. There should, there should always, the, the number one purpose should be to bring someone in to enact justice. And justice is not, let me get you back. No, no. And no, no argument there, but I'm not saying that. I understand the emotions. Right, but I'm not saying. I do not like the implications. No, and I understand it, but I'm not saying that if they are, you know, if they have them and the guy puts his hands up, this guy should have a right to just fire away anyway. But, I think it's pretty safe when a guy says, a safe assumption when someone says, we are at, you know, I'm, I am declaring war on your department and then picks off at least two of them and then a daughter and fiance of, you know, of another cop, he's picking people off. You can assume that this is not going to be, that you're at war. And so, even when you're at war, in theory, if somebody surrenders, you're not supposed to just shoot them. But, you don't go into war going, hey man, I'm going to capture all my people. You're absolutely right. The, the, the use of lethal force was justified in this discussion. But the implication that my, my first goal is to apply lethal force before the goal of bringing this person in to face trial. That's the bad, that's the bad implication. Where that's the goal rather than the thing we must do to prevent more loss of life. Yeah, I can hear that. Um, again, I, I have a problem more with him saying it. I understand the feeling, but let me ask you this. You were saying, do you think there was anybody higher up? Like, let's just say everything Dorner said as far as his reasoning. Let's say his, his reasoning for being fired, all of that. If he's accurate on all of that, do you believe that any of the police officers that are now up top that have done corrupt shit or any police officers that have done corrupt shit that may be implicated if they looked deeper into Dorner's claims? Do you think any of them said to anybody or in place of anybody, to anybody, I'd rather not see this guy come out alive? That's a lot of speculation. It's nothing but speculation. That's, I mean, that's why you're here. Speculate. Is it plausible? Sure, it's plausible. Well, this whole, it's more plausible than this whole story in the first place. So yes, I mean, cops not wanting someone to air their dirty secrets and rather have him dead before it's your secret thread. It's absolutely plausible. Very plausible. Certain giant, quote unquote, religious organizations that happen to be, you know, stationed in certain major cities and boats have been implicated in the possibility of killing off people who might spill some of their secrets, allegedly speaking. People want to protect their situation. That's plausible. The idea that it's plausible, just the idea that it's plausible is problematic. And the idea that it's plausible is, again, why this story is gripping people so much. That is, that is, this whole story is crazy. And, and we're going to add in, we're going to discuss some, the extra crazy that he put into the 20-page manifesto. 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He got a little teenage girl kind of crazy and started putting stuff in there. Now, if you're going to leave a piece of paper, that's going to be the last thing that you're going to say to people. They can't talk to you anymore. They can't ask you any more questions. I would think you'd be very careful as to what you say. However, he, in addition to saying why he feels he needs to kill a whole bunch of people, he did go on to say important things like, it's kind of sad I won't be around to view and enjoy the Hangover 3. What an awesome trilogy. Todd Phillips don't make any more hangovers after the third. It takes away from the originality of its foundation. So is that, you know, is that nice? That's nice. I mean, Todd Phillips got a mention in a manifesto. I don't have any mentions of manifestos. Well, you will. I need to make it in this town. I will put you in my manifesto. I will probably have one. Here's another one. Hey, I love your new bangs, Mrs. Obama. That's nice. They're good bangs. Let's be clear. They are good bangs. But so this guy sitting down to write his manifesto, sitting down going, you know what? I have to write this to explain why I'm going to be one of the biggest villains in the world over the next short period of time. I should probably mention Mrs. Obama's bangs. It's like he had a contract for 20 pages. He's like, shit, I'm only at 16 and a half. What else can I put in here? Mrs. Obama, those are nice bangs and hangover three. I really like, let's see, Louis C.K. and Dennis Miller and Chris Rock. Those are great fellas. Louis C.K. got a mention in here, actually. He did. Louis C.K. got a mention somewhere in here. It was a small byline. It was a small byline, though. Wanda Sykes, Jon Stewart, Dennis Miller, Jerry Seinfeld, pure geniuses, they were called. Charlie Sheen, quote, effing awesome. I like a guy who puts out a 20-page manifesto claiming why he's killing people but doesn't want to curse. So he puts in effing awesome. Anthony Bourdain is, quote, a renaissance man and Bill Cosby is a reasonable man. Now, why is somebody who's just, quote, a reasonable man, in your opinion, how does he even make a manifesto? That's a really interesting, Bill Cosby, he's measured. Yeah, like, is that necessary to put in there? Dave Brubeck's Take Five is the greatest piece of music ever, period. Do not argue with a man. No, Chemical Brothers, Escape Velocity. Come on. Are you serious with that? At least by comparison. I will not read your musical chapter of your manifesto. Oh, it'll be great. I will not read the musical section. He did like Jay-Z, Eric Clapton, Bob Marley, Nora Jones, and other musical prodigies. You know what? He had a wide range. He had a wide range. I feel like he sounds like a listener to the Joe Rogan podcast. Oh, well, maybe. Is it? Maybe. Christopher Waltz, he liked Christopher Waltz, or Christoph Waltz, sorry. He said Christopher, but it's Christoph Waltz. He liked him in Inglourious Bastards, and he said he was sold after he saw him in Django Unchained. So if Christoph Waltz was looking, forget the awards he's winning. Well, let's be clear. Of course, Donner loved Django Unchained. It was a movie about killing white people. Yeah, though, that may be true. That may be true. He said Christoph Waltz is showing glimpses of being like Daniel Day-Lewis and Morgan Freeman. Nice. You know, Morgan Freeman is really, really great, but he's not great at being, like, disappearing into roles. Morgan Freeman plays, he's a variation on a theme. He's just a different Morgan Freeman? Yeah. It's like, today we have badass Morgan Freeman, today we have introspective Morgan Freeman. Today we have Nelson Mandela as Morgan Freeman. The characters are being played by Morgan Freeman playing that character. I like that. That is very nice. It's very Morgan Freeman-esque. He is, if I could hire Morgan Freeman to narrate my dreams, that would be fantastic. It would be calming. There would be no nightmares. I wouldn't want him in my dreams, because they're already weird enough. I don't want him in them. I don't want Morgan Freeman dancing around. I just want him narrating so everything seems calm and explainable. That would work for me. I buy Morgan Freeman as God. I buy it. Okay, I can see that. I totally buy it. I'm still buying it. I'm fully convinced he's not. You have never seen Morgan Freeman and God in the same place. That's true. I haven't. That is quite true. He also, by the way, he finished off with damn gonna miss Shark Week. But that's real. That is, that is. Well, I mean, why is he caring about it? They're still playing the same. They only put out one new video each year. It's still the same Shark Week. That is true. There's not enough, fortunately, shark deaths to come up with all new shows every year. What would you put in your manifesto? You know, probably advice on how to make salmon properly because I'm pretty good at making salmon. I think I'd give a shout out to the UFC for giving me some great fights. One to Square Enix for inventing the Final Fantasy trilogy. Give one to them. The Beastie Boys because I really enjoyed Paul's Boutique and Underrated Album despite the fact. Critical success, financial failure. You know, I think I'd hit those spots. Really? So there's nothing you would put in that you're going to leave in your favorite dishes and some recipes. You're not going to leave in, hey, remember me by this or mankind should know this. Mankind should know that I have the world's greatest dick jokes. Are you going to write any down or are you just going to declare you have great dick jokes? No, I'm just going to put links to all my YouTube clips. Guys, can you get my view count up? I'm pretty low right now. That is a lot better than, hey, just so you people know all the world's greatest dick jokes are dying with me. Follow me on Twitter at MMA comic, please. I'll be dead, but I need more followers. A little late for the follow me on Twitter, but I do like the idea. I definitely do like the idea. Coming up, I'm going to want to talk about the Pope. Have you heard there's a rumor the Pope is stepping down slowly? Oh my gosh. Really? Well, you got to walk slowly when you're the Pope. You're wearing a big shiny gown and a hat. He's so stately. I am looking forward to talking about this because there's, you know, nobody seems to be asking the question, why is he really stepping down? He says he's stepping down because he's 85 and he's old and he's unhealthy, which probably is all very accurate. No, he got an invite to go play on the world poker tour. Oh, that would be nice. I thought he was already in negotiations for a daytime talk show, Dr. Pontiff. Well, he's also selling his new line of robes to Victoria's Secret. We will be back and talk about that right after this. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back.