David Jay and Sasha Gray interview

We'll be right back. We'll be right back. One's on their way. One is in the studio. If you know Goth or alternative music in the last, what, 30 years, you know this man. He was the bass player for Bauhaus. He was a bass player and singer for Bauhaus as well, but also for Love and Rockets. And he has a great new album that just came out, just dropped, I think, An Eclipse of Ships. I'm honored to have him. I've been trying to have him on since I started my show. Here he is, David Jay. Hello. Hello, David. How are you? I'm good. I'm good, thank you. You've been pestering me for a very long time. I have been pestering you for a very long time. It finally worked. Finally caved in. And for those of you who are expecting to masturbate to Sasha Gray, she is on her way, so please get the lube in check. Josie Cat's here if you want to rub one out. But I just want to let you know, before we start. I'm regretting this already. Before we start, it was your idea to get Sasha on the show. Look at Josie. Look at that dress. Do you really regret it? I can't look. It's like looking into the sun. You can't look. He refuses to look at me. Talk about an eclipse of ships. Hello. I wanted to let you know, just a couple brief announcements. I'm doing my one-man show. I laughed so hard I cried. If you're in L.A., 6476 on Friday the 13th, it's part of the Hollywood Fringe Festival. How fun. Yes, at the Complex Theaters right next to the Dragonfly. And let me know when she arrives. She's here, but the door's locked. Can somebody get Sasha downstairs, please? I'm sorry, Jeremy, please. That's the owner of Skid Row Studios. He's never here. He hasn't been here since February. Tonight he's here. Of course. All these people are mysteriously here. Friday the 13th of June, the Complex Theaters. If you go to HollywoodFringe.org, you can get tickets. Here's the deal. Tickets are $12. If you order on HollywoodFringe.org and put the coupon code GOTH, G-O-T-H, you get tickets for $5. What a deal. It's Josie Cat's birthday next week. Please announce your show. Yes. I'll be playing with Carrera, and we also have Rebel Hotel, Hot Rock Band, and House of Broken Promises. Before they leave on the Europe tour, they're going to be playing in front of, you know, 40,000 people at these crazy festivals, and they're going to hit the stage with us. You're saying that like that impresses David Jay, who's performed at every festival and every... Is that... Is that... Is that... Is that a venue around the world? He went to Coachella a lot. I know all the stuff he's done. It's not impressive for him. It's valid information. And we're going to have... My friend Jessica's going to do some burlesque, and Jesse Camp has resurfaced from MTV. You remember Jesse Camp from MTV, David? Yes, Jesse, yes. Yeah, you know, the wacky kid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was a force of nature. He was, and he's going to be hosting... He's going to be hosting my birthday party, so it should be fun. And before my birthday, I'm going to be in Vegas at the Billboard Awards. Okay, enough of you. David Jay is here. David Jay is here. So it's going to be a week. David Jay is here. We're kicking it off great right now. This is the beginning of it. Happy birthday, Joe. So you get to sit next to David Jay and pretty soon Sasha Gray. David Jay, you are a legend. If people don't know, I'm going to bring him up to speed. Because I really am curious. First off, are you a vampire? Only in the movies. Because the reason I ask that, you don't age. You do not age. If anybody looks on... He's sold his soul. I don't know. If anybody looks at Bauhaus videos from the 70s, Love and Rockets videos from the 80s and 90s, you look exactly the same. The same glasses, the same haircut, the same build. Oh, I've put on a few pounds since 1981, I assure you. Where? Oh. Where it counts. I'm not going there. Okay, but... So... But if you don't... If you are anybody here, you're responsible for every 14-year-old rebelling against their mother, going to Hot Topic, dressing like a witch. Here's probably one right here. Hello. Hi, Sasha. You heard that? Am I right? Yeah, a little bit. Thank you. Okay. Hi, Josh. Sasha, Josie, Josie, Sasha. I'm Dark Mark. I'm so honored that you come on the show. I'm so honored that, David, Jay, after pestering him for a year, decided to come on the show. I'm such a fan. Some dude's with you. Nice to see you. Just go ahead and slink in the corner. It's okay. David. I was talking about David Jay. Now, the thing about Sasha Gray that... I gotta be honest with you. David Jay said, hey, I'll come on the show. Sasha Gray might come on. Is that cool? I gotta be honest. I didn't catch the name. I've heard of you. I saw the girlfriend experience. But I must be the only person in the world that's never seen your adult movies. No, there's a few. Let's say I'm the only one over the age of 18 that hasn't seen your adult movies. I'm certainly the only one in LA. See this guy right here that's pointing the camera at you? Yes. Very carefully. He owns Skid Row Studios. He hasn't come into a show of ours since February. He's here tonight. When I said David Jay was coming in, I said everyone's mysteriously gonna show up. Yeah, when I said David Jay's coming out, he's like, that's cool. And then when I said, oh, Sasha Gray's coming on, he's like, I'm there. So I didn't know who you were, so I apologize. But I've caught up in the last week. I've done a lot of research. I'm sure you have. Very exhausting. Josie, I'll tell you the exhausting research I do on my female. By yourself or were other people included in your research? No, on his own. Not after mine. Right. I don't know. What's wrong with your mic, Josie? Josie, your mic's very low. Oh. Okay, I think they fixed it. Anyway, we were talking about, and Sasha, I'm gonna get to you because you're fascinating to me. You're fascinating to me and I've never seen any of your phone or movies. I have masturbated, but I have not seen any of your adult movies. Interesting. But David Jay is a legend and I wanted to start off with him. But Bauhaus, the first goth, people say Bela Lugosi's dead is the first goth song ever. Would you agree with that? Well, we didn't perceive it as such because it didn't exist, you know, when we made that record. That was my point because, I mean, you guys... It was a little seed there. A little bad seed. Because that was what, 1979? Yeah. Yeah. So everybody's writing Disco Inferno, like, more than the feeling, and you're like, Bela Lugosi's dead. That's what we're gonna do. Yeah, we did take on board Disco, though. If you listen closely, it's sort of like Twisted Disco. It is. Twisted Disco. Some of my bass lines were very... He's right. I was listening to Stigmata Martyr. That's a funky bass line. Yeah. And Kicking the Eye. Kicking the Eye is very funky. Yeah. Fear, fear, fear. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it was sort of... Because it was in the air, so it was all up for grabs, but we, obviously, we took that and made it sort of ironic. So how do you invent a genre out of nothing? You don't think about it. I mean, we didn't intend to. And did you write Bela Lugosi's dead? Because there seems to be some debate. I wrote the lyrics. And the bass line, of course. I think Peter Murphy says he wrote the lyrics, doesn't he? No, he doesn't. I mean, he's... I know. He sang the lyrics with Summer Plum, you know? So, um... And I'm not discounting his contribution to that song. I mean, the song... If you want to talk about a band where all four people are really contributing to the song, that drum crack thing is amazing. And then you get the... bass. And then the guitar just... They're, like, cracking around. And then his voice comes out. It's an amazing song. Thank you, yeah. And, I mean, the lyrics are good, too. It has a lot of... It's amazing. It has a lot of dub in it. It does. It's influenced by dub. Very reggae. Yeah, there is a reggae... Now that I'm saying that, I've got to listen to it again. There is a reggae feel. And you did a cover of your own song with Jill Tracy, who I love, who I met at the Eccentric Festival in North Carolina a few years ago. Yeah, Jill's great, yes. And so that was... And she initiated that with her idea of doing this sort of classical kind of avant-garde take on it. As she does. Yeah. And played beautifully. Played piano beautifully on that. That was great. So take me back to the goth scene in 77, or 79, 80. Like, I mean... It didn't really exist. I mean, it wasn't... Not that I was there. It wasn't named. So there was no Hot Topic. There was no, like, Manic Panic. No, and it was very individualistic. And it was coming out of punk. It was post-punk. And all those bands were... They were either in punk bands or they were very influenced by that. And that was the attitude. But it was sort of just... It was just... Everything was punk. Right. So you got punk groupies or hippies or... There weren't really any punk groupies because it was a strange... It was a strange mindset in those days because it was... It was hard to be romantic. Didn't you see Velvet Goldmine? Cynical. Very cynical. Well, apparently, according to Velvet Goldmine, if you're gay, it's easy to be romantic in those days. I don't know. If I recall that movie... Yeah, but that was an earlier time. Yes. Velvet Goldmine is glam. That's before their time. And you were influenced by glam too. Glam was very, very crucial. Also, all those bands, they were like 13 and 14 when glam first happened. Mark Bolan, T-Rex, Bowie, Roxy Music. Very influenced by that. That was really our first music that made a huge impression. Right. Because when you're 14, that's when you're like a little sponge and you're so... I was good friends with Arthur Cain from the New York Dolls. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I used to have conversations with him and he... The name dropper. He said... Well, do you want to hear this or not? No. He said the New York Dolls... Yeah, I know who he is. ...are the ones who started it all. They were really influential. He did. He told me that straight up. They appeared on British TV. He said that Kiss copied them and ripped them off every which way. And Kiss says they copied them and, you know... I'm sure they were all swapping makeup in some trailer somewhere. Right? But also, they led into punk. Right. They led into punk. They led into punk. And then influential on punk. So when you saw, like, the bands that came after, like Sisters of Mercy and these other bands, and they were kind of... In some ways, copying what you guys were doing. Mm-hmm. And, you know, I've heard that... I don't know about you, but I've heard that other members of Bauhaus don't like the goth label. I referred you as a goth legend on the post. Are you okay with that? Well, it's just... It's just a bit restricting, you know? Yeah. You've done other things, obviously. As a fan, I agree. Right. Bauhaus were... We preceded goth and we transitioned... We transcended it. Yeah. I agree with that. Yeah. Now, here's the other question I have about Bauhaus. And the rumor is... And you can correct me if I'm wrong. The initial breakup in 82, 83, whenever it was, they said the breakup was because you guys did Bale of the Ghosts of Dead in The Hunger. And the three of you guys were pissed off because they did close-ups on Peter Murphy the whole time. Is there any truth to that? It has nothing to do with the breakup. I read that in the goth Bible. There's a book called The Goth Bible that says that. Then it must be true. You know, the Bible is all fiction. I know. Well, the Bible is... Sasha Gray said that. I did not. I thought you read it in The Star. Yeah, yeah. The Star does stories on Bauhaus in 2014 all the time. That's my point. Yes. But Daniel, myself, and Kevin did go to see The Hunger in the cinema when it came out. We didn't go to the premiere or anything like that. We just went to the ordinary cinema. And on the way to the cinema, we were joking, saying, oh, well, sort of semi-joking, but quite serious, is, oh, I bet, you know, we'll see this on screen. It'll be Murphy and the rest of us won't get a look in, you know. Yeah, there's a couple flashes, but yeah. Sure enough. I think you see the end of my guitar at one point. But the three of you didn't storm out and say, that's it, fuck the band, we're out. No, we just, we thought it was amusing. It was a little bit of a wind-up, but it was amusing. So what did break you up? Um. It was a very... Sasha Gray? I think she wasn't even born then. Well, stop. She's laughing like she did it. Very volatile chemistry, that band. Lots of sparks in the test tube there. Lots of sulfurous stuff spilling over the top and explosions going off. You can only, you can't really sort of contain that. But that, in some ways, that helps make the band great. Oh, yeah, definitely, yeah. Lots of friction. And last Bauhaus question, and then I'm going to get to Sasha, and then I'm going to talk about Love and Rocks, and then I'm going to talk about this new album. I'm going to talk about your book. I'm going to talk about all sorts of stuff in 41 minutes. Okay. Okay. Peter Murphy just did a tour where he did all Bauhaus songs, and he called the tour Mr. Moonlight Tour. Yes. Mr. Moonlight is a song you, who, who killed Mr. Moonlight is a song that you sang. Yeah. And wrote, I'm assuming. Yeah, yeah. I pretty much wrote that one. Who killed Mr. Moonlight? Who killed Mr. Moonlight? What did you think of that? Come on, Skid Row Studios, nobody's listening. I understand. It's my, yeah, sure. If it was Amparola, I could say, you know, I'm not going to say it. It's my show, you can say it. I understand where Peter was coming from with that, because his interpretation of Mr. Moonlight was that it came to represent the band, and a sort of, a pervasive character that the four of us created that was sort of like a separate entity, and that was Mr. Moonlight. Right. And it was sort of like a, the sort of melancholy, romantic side of the band. Right, right. So that's his association. So I think that's where he was coming from when he named his tour Mr. Moonlight. But when you saw the name of the tour, you've got to be like, what the fuck? But he was, he was also adopting it. That's a yes. He was adopting it as a character. Right. That he was, he was assuming the character of Mr. Moonlight. Because you sang Mr. Moonlight on his live album. I did join, I joined, I did a show with him. He did a show here at the El Rey. And I joined him for a couple of songs and sang that. Because I saw that tour in New York, which was, it was a great tour. That was a good night, that was. Yeah. Yeah. And then, and then 10 years later, he's, hey, I'm Mr. Moonlight, not David Jay. Yeah. It is, I must say, it is very odd that on that tour he was going out and claiming, no, he was claiming that the band that was backing him was the real Bauhaus. And he actually said that. I mean, repeatedly. Was he really? Yes. This is the real band, you know. Oh, that's, that's a bit strange. That, you had, a little bit delusional. Do you guys keep in touch? Only through our lawyer. Oh. Ouch. Although, I will tell you, in happier days, Sasha, I went to a Peter Murphy show in 2005. And I was so thrilled that I saw David, David Jay in the audience. You were at that show? No, I was down the front, I was down the front heckling. No, you were in the back. In the balcony. I was heckling from the balcony, all right. Okay, yeah, but I was like, telling my girlfriend at the time, who was just, I sort of was getting into those type of things. One more Bauhaus question, because this pertains to that. I'm going to get to you, Sasha. The song Spirits. No, Sasha, maybe you can agree with this, because you're a DJ. You know the song by the Yeah Yeah Yeahs, the big hit, what was it called? Uh, yes. Maps, Maps. Yes. The guitar, and I know that Daniel and I used to play guitar, but the guitar riff in Maps is the exact same guitar, guitar riff as Bauhaus Spirit. Am I right? I've never thought about that, but I, I'm going to have to listen. Yeah, I did meet the guitarist, Nick, right, from, from the Yeah Yeah Yeahs, and he told me that Daniel was his biggest influence. Well, there you have it. Because I told, because that's how I got my girlfriend into Bauhaus. I'm like, you've got to listen to this, and she's like, that's the same fucking guitar riff, so, everybody's going to be listening. Also, Jamie from The Kills told me the same thing as well. Daniel was his biggest guitar influence. Right. And, and Josie had a bad experience with Daniel, so we don't want to talk about him, but, we're going to talk about Love and Hush. Well, let's go back. Let's talk about Sasha Gray, because everybody, when I, when I announced that Sasha Gray was going to be on the show, people went fucking nuts. I had no idea what a big star you were. I saw the girlfriend, girlfriend experience. I saw the girlfriend experience, which apparently is not the easiest movie of yours to jerk off to, but, it's possible. It's possible. It's possible. Trust me. You like melancholy. And I, and I actually do, so, yes, it is possible. But what fascinates me, I mean, about you, because I've never seen any of your adult movies. I've heard things, I've heard, you know, oh, crazy wild. That doesn't, I mean, I'm not, I don't give a shit about the minutiae of triple penetration, or how do you suck a dick, or whatever. You, if people don't know who Sasha Gray is, you, um, started porn when you were 18. Is that correct? Yes. And by 21, you were the biggest star in porn. And then I quit. How do you do that? How did you conquer that industry? I guess it's sort of like, not realizing you're going out to make a goth record. I, I had, Can you kind of scoot the mic up a little bit? Yeah. I had, um, it was something I knew I wanted to do, and I spent seven, eight months researching the business, and, Oh, you did? And gathering contacts, and getting in touch with girls via MySpace. This is when MySpace was still around. Kind of figuring out what that life would be like. And, I saved up over seven and a half grand, and a month after my 18th birthday, I moved to LA, found a pool house in North Hollywood, no air conditioner. They could be found. I mean, yeah, I came out here, and you know, at that age, you can't, you can't even get an apartment, because you have no credit history. All these things. Um, and I didn't really have anybody that would support me, and like, co-sign a lease with me. So, I just came out here, and pretty much, everything that could go wrong, went wrong on my way down here. I couldn't find the address, or I couldn't find the actual location to my new home. My U-Haul broke down, and, my U-Haul broke down on the five, like with all the big rigs next to me. I mean, everything that could go wrong, went wrong. Where did you move from? Sacramento. Okay. So not too far. It's not like, I'm from the Midwest, and I hopped on a Greyhound, which I think that's a cliche anyways. Right. So no, I, I was very focused, and very determined, and I, I knew I wanted to change the way women were perceived. I knew I wanted to challenge the way that, a performer should perform. Right. And I knew I wanted to bring, my own ideas on performance, and, but for me, porn was art. Yeah. And, that's a debatable subject, and it will be forever. Right. But that's how I approached every day, and every day I gave myself a new challenge, and a new goal, and, I didn't party. So, I mean, I think those, you know, Some people would say, porno movies are parties, but, Well, that, that's, that's, that's, that's a different thing, but, Well, that, um, You tell me. That's, that's the fantasy that keeps the industry thriving, I guess. I mean, I, I didn't want to get into this, but is it so the opposite on a porn set? It's normal. It's like any, it's like a normal movie set, except there's sex, and people, And Ron Jeremy's running around, and, No, no, not, not in my days. Oh, okay. You, you skipped, you skipped that, right, and in comedy roles. Okay. Yeah, I don't know. Josie was in a movie with Ron Jeremy. I wasn't, but no, no. It wasn't that movie. She was in, because here's the thing. My first movie was with a legend and that was pretty cool with Rocco Soffredi. So that was kind of awesome. He's blind. You don't know who that is, but. I don't watch porn. I masturbate to other things. I masturbate to Lifetime movies and things. Oh, gosh. Speaking of masturbation. Mothers with cancer. Speaking of masturbation, I did want to mention we're sponsored by Audible.com. And we've been sponsored by Audible.com since February. And this is the first time we've had an author that's been on Audible.com that's been on the show. Sasha Gray's novel, erotic novel, unabridged, eight hours and 16 minutes, written and narrated by Sasha Gray is on Audible.com right now. Yes. You can get it for free. What's it about? Can I do the rest of the plug, Josie? If you go to darkmarkshow.com, click on the Audible.com website. How'd you bring a dick today? Click on the Audible.com website. You can get this book for free and get a free 30-day free trial at Audible. I'm trying to get paid, Josie. I get a free 30-day trial at Audible.com or you go to audibletrial.com slash darkmarkshow. Josie, ask your question. Yeah. So what's the book about? The book is about a young film student named Catherine who is in a seemingly perfect relationship with a man named Jack. They have a lot of love and respect for each other. And one day in film class, she sees Belle de Jour for the first time. And she, she starts to have different feelings and interests in her sexuality, things she didn't know that existed with inside of her being and inside of her core before. And so this kind of propels her into this world of, of fantasy where she's having a hard time delineating what's, what's real and what's pure fantasy. So she, she meets this young woman named Anna in her class who befriends her and they become best friends. And Anna is very unabashed and free-spirited. And, and Catherine wants to be that. And so she sees herself in Anna and Anna pulls her into a secret society called the Juliet Society. And all the while her and her boyfriend kind of separate because the more her sexuality grows, the more confused he becomes. So he wants to take a break and she moves on from him. And, Sounds like a typical weekend for Josie actually. Oh yeah. But so, so this is your second book. So it doesn't get, very saucy. It does, but I, I was inspired by a lot of classic erotica. So, Is that what you want to do? Write more erotic books? I do actually. I'm working on the sequel now. I'm trying to sell the second and third as a package because it's always harder. Right. You know, to sell the second and third. Do you see any of them as films? I sold the rights, or not the rights, the option, I optioned it to Fox last year. A little over a year ago. Nice. But, Would you play a role in that movie? No. No, but their, their rights are up tomorrow actually. So, You better snap it up people. People in Hollywood, all you Hollywood brokers listening to this show. It's, for me it's not a, it's not my main concern. If the film gets, or if it gets optioned as a film and it gets made into a film or TV series, that's like the cherry on top. But, the reason, one of the main reasons I wrote this book is actually because I was trying to get screenplays sold and I went to Cannes two years ago, Cannes Film Festival in France and like I spent my own money. I, I got myself there. Right. I was trying to be a business woman. You know, I wasn't there because I had a film to, that I was premiering and it was like a giant party and I was kind of let down. And this wasn't the first time I had tried something like that just so, to be clear. Like I had been trying for many, many years to pitch screenplays either to just sell flat out or to, to get made into films and after that experience I was kind of let down and I decided, well, if nobody want, gives a shit about my scripts, what can I, what else can I do? And because erotic novels are at the forefront of our culture right now and the forefront of pop culture. Fifty Shades of Grey. It was pretty obvious and I said, well, I should take a stab at this and do something different, something that fits me and that I identify with and that I can relate to. And there was No Ghost Friday, you wrote it yourself. Yeah. That's good. That's good. I can't, I can't wait to listen to it and get around. Were you a smarty pants in high school? I was kind of strange. I, I always did very well in school. I was always at the top of my class. I graduated a year early but there became a point probably when I was around 14 or 15 because I was also really athletic when I was, when I was younger and I just became really nihilistic and I got very angry at the system. I grew up in Sacramento. I became sort of a stoner which is, I wish I could be a stoner still but I just, I fall asleep. Everybody in this room in the booth is nodding like, we understand, we know, nihilistic stoner, we got it, we understand. And it was like, it was a short period of my life and it was kind of great I guess, because I was never in a clique. I was friends with everybody because I got along with everybody. I didn't really give a shit about their concerns or what they were into or what drama they were having. You're a fan of goth and industrial music so you went through that pace too, right? Yeah. Because I heard that Sasha is from Sasha from KMFDM, right? It is, yes. And by the way, the remix that you did for KMFDM Light a few years ago, I thought it was great. Yeah, thank you. I don't know if you heard that. That was good. But speaking of books, I wanted to say, and I'm going to get back to David Jacobs. We got Love and Rock. We got his new album. It's great. An Eclipse of Ships. Not since George Bush read to kids on 9-11 has there been a scandal for somebody reading to kids. What happened, Sasha? I keep hearing about this. I don't know all the details. You know what? I think enough time has passed where I can actually tell the story of what really happened. It's a Dark Mark show exclusive. I volunteered my time to read to children in an inner city school district in Compton. Right. And I love reading. I'm very passionate about reading. Right. You know, I slowly try and look at what charitable contributions I can be a part of. Right. And so to me, this was an obvious one. And they invited me to their program. Yes. I spent the afternoon reading to these kids. Everything was great. I spoke to the principal. We talked about Pride and Prejudice. It was wonderful. I signed, you know. Did they know that you were? Yeah, they know exactly who I was. Okay. But it wasn't like, hey, children, here's a porn star. No, no, no. I was saying, but did you know? I mean, is it like just anybody could do this or you were doing that? I mean, they knew who you were. They invite personalities and celebrities, actors, athletes to do this sort of thing. Right, okay. And I had just, this was like 2011, I think. This is Entourage sort of. Yeah, so it was like within a year of doing Entourage and a few other small indie films and I was DJing a lot. So I was invited and I was presented as an actress. Right. And, you know, it went well. You know, the teachers knew who I was. The principal knew who I was. I bet they did. So it was something. Like a stuffy parent or something? Actually, not even. I have somebody that has been harassing me for several years now and this individual doesn't even live in California. It's not David Jay, is it? He lives in California. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Anyways, this person. It's Peter Murphy. We know. This person contacted the school district and said that I was spreading child pornography and that. Oh, jeez. Oh, jeez. Like you were giving out videos to the kids. And that I was promoting AIDS and other STDs. And. Who would promote that? It was really ridiculous. This wasn't Donald Sterling, was it? But that's the short version of the story. And so, of course, he contacted as many parents as he could. He contacted not only the principal, but the entire school district. And that's. And he contacted TMZ directly. I don't know. I still have all the emails. Oh, so that's how it broke was TMZ. Yeah. And so TMZ called me and said, do you want to give a quote? Because we're going to go with the story either way. Right. So I said, okay, here's my quote. What was the quote? I don't remember. But basically, I believe everybody's entitled to have the opportunity to be able to. Reading is fundamental. Reading is fundamental. Exactly. But it was a really strange event. And I had, I don't know how many, over a couple hundred requests to do interviews. And I had to do interviews and television. And that's not why I did that. It wasn't like I was trying to get some crazy press out of this because I thought it was cool and scandalous. It wasn't even my idea at all. So I did one interview and that was it because that wasn't my intention. So all you haters, take it from me and Bark Mark and fuck off. All right. She did something nice. She read to the kids. That's all you need to know. Yeah. Exactly. You don't want her to read to the kids, don't invite her to read to the kids. How about that? Who's reading to kids in Compton anyway? Exactly. Exactly. David, Jason, he's not reading to kids in Compton, but he would if he was asked. David Jade, Love and Rockets. Big fan of Love and Rockets. Before I was goth, I was into Love and Rockets. And specifically because I heard No New Tale to Tell on the radio, your lead vocal. I was like, that's great. No, that's not me. That's Daniel. No New Tale to Tell is not you? Oh, No New Tale. Sorry. You're right. Right. No New Tale to Tell is you. I saw the video. You're right. Because you have a deeper voice than Daniel. Yeah. You cannot go against nature. That's you. Yeah. You're right. Yes. I stand corrected. I was just testing you there. Exactly. Just to make sure. You meant to do that. Keeping you on your toes. I'm on my toes. Yes. Sasha Gray's not keeping me on my toes. It's David Jade keeping me on my toes. I heard that in the mid 80s, everybody was going their own way. Tones on Tail, Peter Murphy, you were doing your own thing. Everybody was, in the mid 80s, they were like, you guys are going to have a Bauhaus reunion. And you guys were all met in the middle of the night. And Peter didn't show up. And that's how Love and Rockets was born. Is there anything You know what? I got the lowdown on this four days ago from Daniel. Because I've heard that story time and time again. And I was certainly never asked if I wanted to go and meet up with Peter and get the Bauhaus back together. Right. And I had no interest in doing that. And at the time, I was under the impression that Daniel and Kevin were of the same opinion. But I was surprised to hear that. I was surprised to hear from Daniel because I asked him directly, you know, what actually happened here? Did you have a meeting with Peter and try to reform Bauhaus? And he said, yes, we did. But we didn't tell you. No, I didn't. But Peter wasn't interested. But they came to me and said, we want to make a new band and we'd like you to be the bass player because he just, Danny had had a bit of a falling out with Glenn Campling who was the other guy. He was the bass player. Turns on tail. Turns on tail. Right. So they wanted to do something fresh and I said, yeah, okay, that sounds good, yeah. And it's amazing because I was trying to think, except for New Order, I'm trying to think of another band where the lead singer leaves. Now, there's ACDC and other bands where they change lead singers. But there's only you and New Order, the only bands I can think of where they just, the lead singer left and the rest of the band carried on and was more successful. As successful. More successful in America, certainly. That's a good, it's quite a good parallel there. And because Geordie Vision became this legendary underground phenomenon. Right. And Bauhaus to a degree. Have that same. So when you guys were, when you guys were Lovin' Rocks in the late 80s, early 90s and you guys were big, you were juggernaut and you were bigger than Peter Murphy and you were bigger than Bauhaus ever was, especially in the States, were you just like, I mean, Bauhaus wasn't, you weren't even thinking about that, right? You were like, no. Yeah, you were like, and you know, were you calling up Peter and like, eh, my song's number one, you know, that kind of thing or you guys, no, you just, you just did your thing, he did his thing. Yeah, we were having a great time doing that. Right, and so, and then, and then you got, Lovin' Rock is obviously, you know, there's got influences but you weren't really goth. I mean, you had, you had. It was more psychedelic. Psychedelic, there's folk, there's dance, there's all sorts of stuff. Yeah, that's true, yeah. Because you, I posted, you know, your last album, Lyft, I like all your albums and they're all completely different but Lyft where you, RIP 20C and I remember I was at Gothfest 2007, I was dancing with this girl, she kept doing splits to that one. That's a good, that's a good dance song. That was your lead vocal too. I'm choosing your lead vocals carefully. Daniel was doing splits in the studio when we recorded that so that's interesting. Was he really? Yeah, he had to be physically restrained. Well, I'll tell you a story. This is the Josie story. I'll do it really brief and then we're going to play, we're going to play your songs. Last year, Jen, Daniel Ash had an art exhibit downtown at a gallery that Josie knows the owner and she said, come on down, we'll try to get Daniel Ash on the show. So I went down there and they had this, and he was supposed to be DJing that event and there's, there's a guy that's DJing that doesn't look anything like Daniel Ash. She says, that's Daniel Ash. Go ahead and ask him to be on the show. I'm like, the guy looks like he's 30. He doesn't look like Daniel Ash at all. He's like, that's Daniel Ash. Go up to him. And I went up to him and I'm like, I was just trying to be like, hey, I'm like, hey, you know, there's some cool art here. And he's like, yeah, I really want to buy that one. I'm like, didn't you paint these talking things? I'm like, that's not Daniel Ash. And then later in the evening, Daniel Ash was apparently a little curt to you. And I said, well, I've already been in talks with David Jay. And you're like, good David Jay. Am I correct, Josie? So I was your second choice. No, you were my first choice. I thought that you were for him. But Josie's like, oh, I can seduce Daniel Ash into coming in the show. I didn't say that. You didn't say seduce, but I'm trying to make it entertaining for the audience. Makes me look like a douchebag. No, trust me, douchebags in that dress are very sexy. I'm going to play, this is, is this the first single the hotel? Hot Sheet Hotel. Hot Sheet Hotel. Hot Sheet Hotel. Is this like the first song, the first single? No, it's not, it's not really a single. I was, I was at Amoeba today. I did one of those What's In My Bag. Right. Clips, you know, which is real fun. And we were talking about singles. They were asking, what's the next single? And I said, well, I've got something in mind, but you know, what is a single? What does that mean? It used to mean something. That used to really mean something. I guess the single is the video Toxic that you two did together. The cover of Britney Spears. That was sort of an aside. And that was, we can talk about how that came to be, but that was never, that's not really on the album. And it was just something that was done earlier. Right. But it happened to finish around the same time. Finally, yes. It took a long time. But then I thought, well, that could work as this sort of like extra track. Anyway, singles, yeah. What is a single? Well, this could be, but a featured track. Eclipse of Ships is a lot of songs about a lot of different women. Mm-hmm. And it's, and it's a really good listen. And you got to listen to it a few times. They're really, there's some really good songs on there. One of them is inspired by an adult film star on your website, it says. Mm-hmm. Is this the adult film star that inspired that song? No. And here's my confusion. These are all moments that you've had with other women, but you're married. That is right. There's life before marriage. Is this all before, during, after marriage? I'm trying to figure it out. So many juries. I'm trying, you know. Okay, so Hachi Hotel, who inspired this song? Oh, that one is Nobody in Particular. And that's quite an old song. One that I've been tweaking every now and again. Right. That was like 2000. That's the only old song on the record. And I just had it on the shelf and I thought, well, that fits, you know, fits the theme. Well, let's, let's hear a little bit of Hachi Hotel. Let's see, let's see what's going on. Let's check in. Let's check in. For an hour. Or three minutes. Sasha, can I, can I have this dance? Oh, no. Ha! Rooms rented by the hour In the feather of alibis Where incognito is the rule Guests arrive in disguise The cheap patio furniture Is chained to the floor I have a song almost monotone. I don't know how to sing. The sound of sound Swings from every door Hachi Hotel Hachi Hotel Hachi Hotel Hachi Hotel Hachi Hotel Hachi Hotel Hachi Hotel Traveling Lotharios With Visa cards and Viagra Le Pied-en-Ars Scenario With Visa cards And the barrels shoot Niagara And the barrels shoot Niagara Squeaky springs And shower curtain rings Broken and disarray Sticky paws And her piece of Souvenirs off your stick Heartsheet Hotel Heartsheet Hotel Heartsheet Hotel Heartsheet Hotel Heartsheet Hotel Heartsheet Hotel Back in suburban condos Wives on pros act dream Of seeking retribution Through an out of court settlement scheme That's most of Hot Sheet Hotel. You checked out early. I checked out early, but you guys checked out early. I love the album. But I did want to talk about, first off, Sasha, and I'm sure you've heard this before, and don't take this the wrong way, and you're a wonderful dancer. No, I'm not. You're a DJ. How could you not be a good dancer? Bullshit. Okay. You don't look like a porn star. You don't look like those blonde hair, orange skin, Franken-porn stars. You look like a fairytale princess, quite honestly. Thanks. First off, you're pretty pale, which I like. But I also think that maybe when I first started, the image of women in the industry really started to change. And maybe it started even a few years before, but because of the internet, pretty much anything and anybody's fantasy is there and readily available. Right. Do you think Suicide Girls influenced that? Oh, definitely. Yeah. Yeah. Because they were the first, really, to say, we want to be different, and we are different, and we're proud of being different. Joanna Angel. Joanna Angel, for sure. But do you have tattoos? I'm sure everybody in the audience knows besides myself, but do you? Nope. Okay. And why not? I mean, I don't either, but, you know, why mess with a good thing? I don't know. I just never really wanted... I guess I flirted with the idea at, like, 16, 17, and... When you were a nihilist. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good thing you can get. She was listening to Bauhaus and being a nihilist. I never quit being a nihilist. Yes. And so, yeah, I'm glad I didn't. I'm glad my parents didn't let me do that. Right. You didn't have nihilists tattooed across your forehead. I did once for Halloween. Did you really? No. Okay. What was your best Halloween costume? Linda Blair from the... Reagan from The Exorcist. Right. With all the makeup. Do you like to get sexy or scary? Scary. Hell yeah. I... My mother had this old white nightgown. Right. That she kept around even though she didn't wear it anymore. You know, similar enough. And then I just got... I, like, teased and lightened my hair with gold spray because it's the only spray I could find. Right. And it looked blonde. Right. It worked. And I just smeared my face with green face paint and gave myself cut marks. I mean, not real ones. Not real ones. And I took a can of split pea soup and, like, threw it on myself. Oh, that's great. That was fun. That was probably the best. Now, what's amazing? And this is what... Oh, no, wait. I lied. It was Andy Warhol last year. And it was... Oh, what a segue. I know that's an easy one, but the reason it was fun is because my boyfriend was with me and he was a Polaroid. Right. So it was pretty cool. That guy? Yeah. Alone. Oh, okay. Alone, it wouldn't be cool, like Andy Warhol, because I actually saw two other Andy Warhols, but together, it was cool. Well, that sort of works with the multiples, you know? Yeah. Oh, yeah. You could have them side by side. Well, that's quite a segue because I have gifts for both of you from our other sponsor, DammitTease.com. And if you go to DammitTease.com, you can get 10% off if you put the Dark Mark show as a coupon code or mention that you heard us on the Dark Mark show. You get 10% off any purchase. They got great shirts. Actually, Dave went to the website. Did they have great shirts or what? Yeah. Punk, horror, crazy shirts. Pretty impressive, yeah. And for both of you, because David Jay did a play about Edie Sedgwick, and you dressed up as Andy Warhol. Hmm. I love Edie. Thank you. Thank you, Dark Mark. And please, tell me what was so bewitching of... That might be a little small on you, David. That's girls. That's girls. I got your girls shirt. I'm so sorry. Is there a... Is there a... I think they're the same. I think they're both girls. No. No, that's a medium. Okay. It's just like... Different. That's girls. Yeah. Okay. And why are we giving t-shirts away? That's cool that it comes in... Yeah. You know? Woo-hoo. Thank you. Oh, there you go. I like that. Nice. Now, why were you inspired to write or play about Edie Sedgwick? That's why... Well, originally, that was just one song. Right. Called Girl on Fire. And she's always intrigued me. I like going way, way back. When I first saw a picture of her and Andy Warhol and Chuck Wine, they were coming out of manhole cover. Yes. And it was Andy... So beautiful. With those long legs. Yeah. And it was... Andy Warhol was having an exhibition in London. It was 1968, I believe. So I was like 10. And I just was captivated by these strange individuals. Right. And then, of course, later on, I got into the Velvet Underground and the whole factory scene and all of that. And... Uh... So she did hold some fascination for me. And, as I say, I came up with a song that was sparked off by reading a screenplay of a film that was never made. Right. And called Girl on Fire. And I, yeah, read that and immediately wrote this lyric. And then my friend... I was actually staying with Shepard Fairey. Right. I was living with him at the time. And he had this... Yeah, he had this screenplay. I said, what is this? And he said, oh, it's this guy, David Wiseman, gave me it, who was... the co-writer. He said, you should call him up, talk to him. He'll talk your ear off. But he's really fascinating. Right. I mean, he made Chow Manhattan with Edie. Right. So I called him up, you know. And he did talk my ear off for about 45 minutes. Actually, longer than that, like 90 minutes. And I told him that I'd written this song inspired by his screenplay. And he said, well, I want to hear it. Come round. Right, right, right. But it was only a lyric at that time. So I thought... I said, yes. Okay, yes. Uh-oh, better start writing. Come round tomorrow. So then I had to write the music. But that was... Not a problem. It just came. And so I played him this song. And he said, you should extend this. And he said, originally, this screenplay was going to be a stage production or like a cabaret sort of presentation about the life of Edie. Right. He said, I'm never going to write that thing. You write it. You should write it. And so I thought, I don't know. Really? Yes, you should write it. And I wrote another song. And I thought, okay, something's going on here. And then I wrote another song. Right. About the theme. And then I thought, well, I wonder if I can link these with some dramatic content. So I tried as an experiment just to write some... A monologue. Right, right, right. From Edie's point of view, talking about her life. Right. And it all started to come together and cohesed. And I thought, I think I've started writing this play. That's how it happened. And then I wrote more songs. One step in front of the other, yeah. Yeah. So it was organic. I can't... You know, as always in the story, the tide goes by so fast. The Girlfriend Experience. Now, Steven Soderbergh says, I've read in interviews, that he read an article about you in the LA Times or something. And that's how he... LA Magazine. LA Magazine. Then he wrote the movie with you in mind. Is that... No, no, no. He and his... And the two guys that wrote the film with him or more like the outline with him and the story with him, specifically Brian Koppelman, they'd been working on the idea loosely for a few years and they had actually interviewed other women to be in the film, but they hadn't found the right person yet. And I think he was in the middle of Oceans 13 or something. Yeah, if people don't know, Steven Soderbergh is the Academy Award winning filmmaker of Traffic, Aaron Brockovich, the Oceans movies, all sorts of great movies. And his first big movie was Sex, Lies, and Videotape, which leads me to believe he probably saw one of your movies and that's why he decided to cast you. Is that possible? No, no, no. So what happened is... Brian Koppelman read this article. Okay. And since it was this idea they had already had, he passed it on to Soderbergh and he said, okay, she seems like maybe she's the right person. She's comfortable with her sexuality and she's strong and empowered. So Brian contacted me on MySpace. You got this movie through MySpace? Yep. Wow. MySpace has got to come back. Facebook kind of sucks compared to that. So that's how it happened. He contacted me and then set up a meeting. I didn't believe... So I said, have him leave a voicemail for me on my phone. Yeah. And I came home one day and it was a real voicemail, not a cell phone. And it was Steven Soderbergh. So we set up a meeting, but we didn't film for another two, two and a half years. Wow. Did they have you audition or he just met you? Were you under contract for that long? I was never under... With them? For the movie? No, no, no. Did you have some exclusivity? No, we didn't sign any contracts. No, not at that point. But basically he told me at that point because I was only 18 or just barely 19. I don't remember, but I think I was still 18. He said he wanted me to be a little bit older. So you were just starting out, right? Mm-hmm. In the adult industry. This is like... How many months after your U-Haul dies on the interstate? Like six months. Wow. So things turned around pretty quick. Oh, yeah. I mean, everything just kind of went in a forward motion for me from the minute I started. It was really strange. And how do you meet David Jay? That's what I want to know. I think that was through my space as well. What's that? Wasn't it through my space? Well, not... That was a coincidence because you sent me a MySpace friend request. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I met you with Oren. Like the same week that I decided that I wanted to contact you to talk to you about playing a part in a film that I was writing a screenplay. Right. I'd just written a screenplay. Right. She's like, David Jay, Steven Soderbergh. David Jay, Steven Soderbergh. Well, we had... At the time, I was working with Dave Navarro's management company. Okay. And you've worked with Dave Navarro, David Jay. And I think that's how the introduction happened. But I sat down with David and Jay and... Yes. This producer, Oren, right? Orion Williams, yeah. How many years ago is this? Four? Yeah, yeah. And we still want to make that movie. One thing I'm learning about writing screenplays is that it takes a hell of a long time. It's a lot of work to get these things off the ground. You have to be really... It's beyond patient. You just don't have to think about it. You have to put it on the back burner of your mind and just sort of have the antennae up so that... If you know... It's true. I agree. You're in this town and there's contacts and somebody might come into your orbit who could vibe with this idea. The idea is... I can say what the idea is now. It's about Aleister Crowley. Okay. And it's... Aleister Crowley's seen through the eyes of his scarlet women and the idea was for Sasha to play one of these women. And I was still, you know, very much like that to happen. I'd watch that. It's a very good script. So, yeah, it's called Beast. It's gone through some different titles, but it's Beast. And we're still... We're looking for the right director. We've had a few directors sort of come into play, but it hasn't... Steven Soderbergh, if you're watching this show, you might want to look into this. It's a good project. I think he's retired, isn't he? This is the one to come out of retirement for. That's what everybody says. Yeah. And by the way, Dark Mark would be an excellent Aleister Crowley. Now, we have like... I could talk to you guys all day. What gave you the idea to cover Britney Spears' Toxic? And let me tell you something. Music snobs, you can say what you want, but that song gets stuck in your head. There's some craft there. And your version is terrific. It's very loungy. Daniel Ash turned me on to the original. And yeah, Yeah. We were on tour, and he just said, do you ever want to play something? And he said, you're going to be surprised, but... It's Britney Spears. I said, really? You saw the video, right, Josie? I did. I loved it. Did you film it in downtown LA? No, it was in Portland. No, Portland. Oh, in Portland. But anyway, Daniel played me the original, and I was knocked out by it. And I said, I love that. Play it again. And the production and the song. And this was happening backstage at a Bauhaus concert. This is Love and Rockets. Oh, Love and Rockets. When that came out, at the time, it was out. It had just come out, you know. Oh, okay. So Love and Rockets were second best. Daniel was into it, yeah. Anyway, so then years later, I heard it. I was in a supermarket. Right. I think CVS. Right, right. On my way to rehearsal with this band, Adrian H and the Wounds, up in Portland. We had a gig. Right. And I heard that, and I thought, I could really imagine doing a really different version of that song with this band, the Wounds. And who imagined Sasha Gray in spray-on red latex running through the streets of Portland when it's freezing cold? That would have been me. Yeah. Well, it wasn't supposed to be spray-on, but we ran into some bumps along the way, and we just said, latex paint. This is a great solution. Yeah, paint on. When you spray on latex, there's a few bumps. You got to smooth it out. It's my con. Yeah, I know these things. It was fine until the very end, I didn't think about this, and then nobody did. It was actually a really fun shoot. It was a very long day, of course, because we shot everything in one day. Very long day, and it was very cold, and you were a trooper and a consummate professional. So. You never whined. She was freezing. Whining's for bitches. Right. Did you whine, David? I whined all the time. Okay. Inconsolably. You know what? Go ahead, yeah. No, sorry, but at the end of the night, we had one last shot over a bridge or something, and then the makeup artist looks at everybody, and she says, oh, well, this is it. I guess I can go home, right? And everybody's like, yeah, sure, whatever. Take off. So we get back to the hotel, and I realize I have nobody to help me scrubbing, scrub this shit off. I mean, liquid latex, it heals like. Oh, I did everything. I was flapping like a dead fish in the bathtub, like, get this off of me. So needless to say, I think I flew home with some red latex on my body. On your bum. Sasha, if you ever need anybody to scrub red latex off of you. I was waiting for that. Here's my card. I left that open-ended for a reason. Yes. Dark Mark, just, I know your boyfriend's there, but just, you know, I want to help, I don't want to be on the plane with red latex. God, I wish I had all night with you guys. I'm so honored that both of you came by, and we're almost out of time. Yeah, we don't even have time for the spank train. I was going to spank both of you, but Sasha, you have a, yeah, our tradition on the show is we all spank each other, but, and we can do that if you guys want, but before we do, you've got a movie coming out with Elijah Wood where he stalks you? Sure, you can say that. Frodo stalks you? It's a movie called Open Windows, directed by Nacho Vigalando. It's a movie called It's a movie called It's a Spanish, he's a Spanish filmmaker. He shot in Madrid. I figured. He couldn't be Mexican. I mean, come on. Okay, so what does that open? It should be out at the end of summer or early fall. I'm not sure yet, but I'm going to Spain probably in June. I love Spain. What part? Madrid. Nice. And David J., if people want to get a hold of you and order the great new album in the Eclipse of Ships, I love it. Thank you. iTunes. Thank you. Yeah. DavidJ.com. They can go, they can go directly to, it's DavidJOnline.com. Are you starting Tarsen? We just did a short one. Yeah, I started. We were at the Los Globos show. It was, well, it was standing room only. You couldn't have got in, but it was a good show. It was a terrific show. Lynchian, you said. It was very Lynchian. It was so weird. It was the weirdest show. I got to tell you, after the show, because we're almost out of time, and Sasha Gray, David J., I'm so honored that you came on my show. I'm a big fan of both of you. Please, you're welcome to come in the studio anytime. Next week is Josie Kat's birthday show. Yay. Yeah. So everybody can wish Josie Kat happy birthday. Happy birthday to Jeff at DammitEats.com. He's got some ideas for Sasha Gray shirts if you're interested. He definitely wants to. Happy birthday, Josh. I'll bet they do. Anyway, everybody, I can't believe I'm in the studio with Sasha Gray and David J. and Josie Kat. Thank you so much. Everybody, have a wonderfully creepy week. Good night. Good night. Thank you, Doc Mark. Thanks. Good night. Good night. Good night. Good night. Good night. 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