Transvaganza: transgender awareness and Gen Zed

I ain't doing nothing but talking shit. Y'all gotta like, you know, encourage me the whole way along. Ow. I ain't doing nothing but talking shit. Y'all gotta like, you know, encourage me the whole way along. You like them big hairy balls, don't you? Baby. I know you gonna dig this. Don't touch that guy. Word. What's poppin'? Thursday night. 9 p.m. Pacific Standard Time. Midnight East Coast motherfuckers. It's Nestorius Public Radio. You know what I'm saying? Kicking one of the last two shows on Skid Row Studios. Don't say that. You're gonna make me cry. No, no, no. It's one of the last. This is the penultimate. They got rid of the file cabinet. There's no more file cabinet. There's no more dildos in there. Nothing. This is the penultimate show that's gonna be recorded live here on 646 South Olive Street. Which is Skid Row Studios. The actual physical Skid Row Studios location. Don't be giving away our address, motherfucker. It doesn't matter. You don't wanna get any stalkers coming around. No, that's my man Sal Rodriguez. What's up? Hello. I'm excited to be here. I'm actually kinda nervous. I'm very excited about today's show. We have some awesome guests on today's show. But it makes me kinda nervous. Does it? Yeah, cause you know what? I have a lot of... I want it to be great. I want it to be good. I want it to be good. I want them to be good. You were nervous. You were nervous when we were on the way out. Well, not to mention the way that you drive. Nestor drives like a fucking maniac. Motherfucker, if you don't know how to drive and you don't know what the fuck you're doing on the road, stay home. That's all. Go to Trader Joe's. Get some almond butter. You know, spread some fucking cashew juice on your ass. Do something. Just don't be on the road. That's my philosophy. You know, you mentioned Trader Joe's. Whenever I'm in Trader Joe's, I'm always embarrassed to ask for something cause I only have five aisles. Right. I'll be like, you know, can I, can I, where's the almond butter? Yeah. I'll be like, we got five aisles, you stupid motherfucker. Yeah, but you know what the good thing about Trader Joe's is? That I can't say about Ralph's per se or any of the other supermarkets is when you go to Trader Joe's for the most part, every single aisle is set up the same way. So you'll find the cereal and you'll find the nuts and whatever. You're saying different locations, it's all the same. It's all the same. The frozen fruit section is in the middle. It's pretty much all the same. The setup is pretty much the same. So you're telling me that you can go to any Trader Joe's in the nation and you know where the almond butter is? I'm telling you that in Los Angeles, I don't know about the fucking nation, I'm talking about Los Angeles, that for the most part, every aisle seems to me the same, okay? But I could be wrong, all right? How many different, do they have Trader Joe's in New York? Because you're bi-coastal. Actually, Trader Joe's originated in Massachusetts, just so you know. It's not a California thing. Yes. So the answer to your question is yes, there are Trader Joe's in New York and I do not go to them because it's ridiculous. If you ever go to New York and you ever go to Trader Joe's, first of all, there's way too many fucking people in New York for Trader Joe's. Trader Joe's is for a nice small town. You go in there, you get some strawberries, you get some frozen fucking berries, bananas or something and you keep it moving. In New York, it's like you feel like you just got out of the train and you're going to go right back into another train. Wait, is the Trader Joe's parking lot just as fucked up on the East Coast as it is here? There is no Trader Joe's parking lot, motherfucker. In New York, people walk. No Trader Joe's parking lot? Correct. I don't park. Oh my God. First of all, I don't park in the Trader Joe's parking lot in LA. I don't park in any parking lot in LA. What do you do? Where do you park? I park as far as possible as I can on the street and then I walk because people are fucking retarded in parking. That's true. And people, what I don't understand about people is that they'll do anything to avoid walking. Like there could be like negative three inches on either side and a motherfucker will fit their SUV in there. Sure. It's like, I don't understand. It's like the compact signs. Nobody pays any attention to the sign that says compact. Nobody gives a shit about compact. Yeah, I don't know about that. But yo, before we move on, can I just say this? I just got here. Go ahead and say it because I'm anxious to move on to our guests. Okay, okay. I just got in from New York right last night and I was on the plane and I was watching some shit on TV and I saw this commercial, right? They got these commercials like anti-smoking campaign and I thought they were fucking funny, right? If I may, I'm just going to play this one. They have these- You're going to play an anti-smoking commercial? It's just a small one. It's about two minutes real quick. Two minutes? Yeah, two minutes, one minute. Something like that. Believe me, it's fast. It's really fast. It's actually not two minutes. It's about a minute. Go ahead. Let me just say, it's a campaign. It's a campaign called Big Tobacco Be Like and so they have these- I love urban talk. They have these vine stars, whatever the fuck that means. If they're making money, I'll be any fucking star if they're going to pay me. Now they're not YouTube stars. Now they're not Vimeo stars. They're vine. Next thing you know, they're going to be cobweb stars, fucking G-string stars. It never ends. It's like you haven't accomplished a fucking thing in life but yet you're a star. You're a star. Body of work is like, you know, play the damn commercial. All right, here we go. It's like, this was called Big Tobacco Be Like Strawberry Flavored in quotations. And let me just preface this. There's a big, you know, there's a black dude and he's, and basically, it's, the setup is, you know, I hate, I hate, I hate, I hate, I hate, I hate, I hate, I hate, I hate, I hate, You're going to get fucked by big tobacco anyway. Okay, go ahead. Cigarillo smokers be like, it's strawberry flavored, bro. Strawberry's never hurt. Big tobacco be like. All right, all right, all right. So basically when he goes, strawberry flavored never hurt nobody, and a big strawberry tackles him. It's hilarious. And then when he goes, big tobacco be like, it becomes this like big sea of money, and they're jumping up and down. Was that a six-second vine? It's called truth. Hashtag big tobacco be like. Okay, because Vine does prove that anybody can be funny for six seconds. I support that democracy. Okay, so maybe that's what it is. I just think that, you know, our show is about awareness today. I'm thinking. Is it about awareness? I didn't think about what it was. Our show today is about awareness, in my opinion. It's about, you know, we were driving on the way down, and we're having a conversation about, you know, about transgendered issues within the judicial system. Sure. And, you know, this, that, and the other. And I'm very opinionated about shit. Yes. And so Sal's getting all like, I don't know, we should talk about that, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so we're talking about. I'm going to have a fun show. I don't want to be all. No, no, no, no. No, we're going to have a fun show. But today's show is going to be about, or tonight's show is going to be about awareness. It's about, you know, how many transgendered friends do you have? Well, I guess at this point, hopefully after tonight, too. No, no, no, no, no. Aside from taking our guests out tonight, how many transgendered friends do you have? Okay, guys who like to sleep with transgender people don't count. Fuck off. I have more transgendered friends than you, okay? Okay. So what are your points? The point is that nothing. There's no point. Introduce. All right. Well, our guests tonight can tell us what the show's about because they are essentially the theme. They're going to talk about their relationships, their relationship as a couple, and how, as I call it, the evolution of their relationship is occurring. Not only are they very funny comedians. I've had the pleasure of seeing them perform in Long Beach at a show only about a month ago. I had a really great time. So very funny comedians both on stage and on Facebook as my friends. And what I think is very interesting about them is not only that they're a couple, not only that they're a couple of funny comedians, but their lives have, I've kind of seen them over the last year or so on Facebook. I know that they were a couple, Kate, Gary, Robin, Robert Tran, but now it's Kate, Gary, and Robin Tran. So there's been a change and a shift. And I found that very interesting how they are effectively moving together and forward as a couple together and, you know, taking on whatever adversities society may throw at them. So I'm very happy to introduce our guests for tonight, Kate, Gary, and Robin Tran. Hi. Hello. I'm Kate, Gary. I'm Robin Tran. There's no adversity. Yeah, this is so easy. No. Of course not. Awareness. Isn't it breast cancer awareness? Well, I don't know. I don't think G. Komen's going to be happy. Well, maybe awareness was such a, like a sterile fucking approach to it. But, I mean, it's enlightenment, right? Let's say it. I mean, it is enlightenment. I mean, you know, you guys, for instance, okay, you're a woman, Kate, Robin. Yes. You were born a man. I guess. That's the way you want to say it. Robin is a woman. What we say is I'm a cisgender woman, which means that how I was born is how I identify. I have, like, the female body parts when I was born. That's CIS. That's the word. Cisgender, yeah. Okay. So for a retard like me, okay, which I'm going to represent most of America, okay, I'm going to take that voice. All right. You're a female. You were born, generally speaking, a woman, right? I have the vagina. And you? You were born, generally speaking, a man. You were born with a penis. Yes? Yeah. Okay. I mean, the way that I guess it works is biological sex is, like, penis means boy and vagina means girl, but gender is a very broad spectrum. So, like... Got it. I don't know. I never felt like a man. I guess, I mean, I guess for, you know, the purposes of clarity, you know, that would work. Right. But I don't like to say born a man. I just think it's, I guess, kind of pretended to be one for a long time is what it feels like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that's one thing I definitely wanted. I wanted to talk about is I wanted to ask you, like, the concept of, and this is to educate me, too, the concept of, like, I didn't feel like a man. Like, what does that mean exactly? Because I'm a man and I don't feel like a man. Well, I didn't, you know, I didn't know what the terms were and I didn't, I just mean, like, when I was very young, like, three or four years old, I just really wanted to play with dolls and wear dresses and pink and everything. And I just, I never felt like I wanted to do any of the guy stuff. I always identified with women that I saw on TV. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. mustache and was like, I'm going to watch football every Sunday and order the pizza $10 box. I'm going to stab a troll in the neck. And then every fourth quarter, I would just start crying like, oh, I don't love this. I just want to love this so bad. I just want to love this. I don't love that shit either. I hate fucking sports. See, it doesn't have to do so much with society. Society says men do this and women do that and men should look like this and women should look like that. Let me just go back to what I said. It's about learning because most people don't know. I mean, just a simple fact that I asked you, you were born this and you were born that. It's not that simple. It's not. You know what I mean? And you guys have an open mind about it and I think that's great. We're really glad. That's why we're here. I guess it is awareness. I mean, everything that Robin is saying, I'm completely aware of. I don't know the specifics of how you felt growing up or you felt, Robin, growing up. But I know I've known, I shouldn't say plenty, I've known at least three or four transgendered individuals, right? One guy you were telling me about a few weeks ago, a friend from AA. A friend of mine, yeah. Oh, shit, I just broke his anime. Say his first and last name on the air. I'm not going to say his name. James S. Her name. So I met him and he's trying to get sober and you know, he's sober for a while and you know, you can see there's a certain sadness about him still, you know. And, you know, I wanted to know a little bit more about him, blah, blah. And he, put it this way, I'm a member of a group, per se, and at the time I was the head of a steering committee so he contacted me and he said that he wanted to come out to the group and let everybody know that he wanted to be called a different name. Yeah, a female name. A female name. And I was like, absolutely, I think you should do that. I think that, you know, you should be who you are. I think that, you know, trying to be sober is about trying to find out who you are and whoever you are, that's who you should be. And I support you and everybody in the group is going to support you and if they don't, you know, that's their shit. You should, you know, having had a spiritual awakening or spiritual growth on anything in life is about finding who you are and it has nothing to do with necessarily gender or whatever, who you are, you know what I mean? It doesn't matter. Yeah, you know, it's funny, now that you mentioned it, the second I realized that I was a woman in February was like three days after I got clean. You know, I wasn't doing a lot of drugs but I was smoking a lot like a lot of pot, like a lot. I was, you know, drinking a lot. Watch it now. And then all of a sudden, I was like, I need to get some help, I need to take antidepressants which means I need to stop smoking weed and I began to... Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I became really happy and in that clarity in my head, I just realized that it clicked one day and it was like, oh, my whole life makes sense now and it was the closest to like a, I would say, a religious experience because I'm not a religious person but that's still the best way I would describe it was like this, okay, everything makes sense now, like everything, my body shivered and I cried for like half an hour. And were you and Kate dating at the time? We were, yeah. We've been together for about two years. So let's bring this up to speed. So you guys were dating for two years where you had, after you, and then you had this epiphany. Yeah, I I mean, I was always feminine in the relationship. Yeah, I kind of saw it coming. I kind of called it. I don't like to tell people that. But he never talked about it? The first two years, he never talked about it? You didn't know this leading up to it? For the first year, we didn't talk about it at all. And then for the next year, transgender issues started to be in the media. We would talk about it. And Robin always seemed intensely engaged with it. And so I would probe her feelings a bit more about it. But it was a very sensitive subject. I would get so mad and I would get so transphobic. And it's weird because I'm not a very open-minded person. And Kate would talk about transgender issues. And I'm like, I'm not going to call anybody by what they want to be called. I was so stubborn. Really? And I didn't understand why. I couldn't imagine you being mad. Yeah, but one day when I was, I don't know if Kate remembers. She probably remembers this. One day in the middle of my yelling, I just went, you know, in another life, I probably could have been a woman. I feel like a woman. But you don't see me telling people to call me a woman. And she goes, are you transgender? And I'm like, how dare you? How dare you ask me that? And I basically told her I was. And I didn't want to accept it because it's very scary to admit it to yourself. So was Kate the first person you ever told them? Yeah. That's like coming out as an alcoholic. It's like, don't fucking call me an alcoholic, motherfucker. I know I'm an alcoholic, but you can't call me that. Now, Robin, though, I have to say, though, I think being who you are and living how you live, you kind of hit the lottery in who you're dating. I mean, this woman is. From everything I've read of yours online, I mean, just very open, a very open-minded person. Yeah, she's the most open-minded person I know. Yeah. I mean, I would imagine other women would be like, what? Yeah. A lot of women. I mean, a lot of my female friends were like, I'm not going to talk to you anymore. Really? Yeah, I don't get that. So they would actually disown you effectively? Some of them. I mean, a lot of my friends from high school, like a lot of my guy friends from high school, like unfriended me or blocked me right after I came out. Yeah. Yeah, those are not friends. Yeah, I know. I use the word friends, but they're a bunch of people. No, no. They're people that you knew in your life. Yeah. Yeah. In private, I never felt that Robin hit who she was for me at all. There was always a very feminine energy. And I can only describe things as not a transgender person. I'm cisgender. So all I can describe are external things that I noticed. But it was very much Robin was the woman in the relationship, always talking. She had this great memory for little details that would have happened in our relationship, and she would constantly bring them up. And I would just find myself going like, why are we talking about feelings all the time? Come on. Right, right, right. I've been working all day. Kate, when you come in the house, could you put your shoes over there? Could you not put your keys over here? I've said that to her. I've been like, honey, can you please just put your clothes? Oh, shit. And then I would get mad at myself. Like, men don't talk like this. That's hilarious. And I would get mad at myself and start crying. Men don't cry. I'm sorry. OK, so let me ask you that. Men cry. And the reason I ask is, I've had various, I mean, I used to paint my nails. And I wore lipstick for a little bit of time, just because I thought, hey, for the fuck of it, I'll do it. Did you wear lipstick as Guillermo or as Sal? As Guillermo. Yeah, I did, as Guillermo. As Guillermo? So the question I ask you then is, where does a person decide, I like to paint my nails and wear lipstick, versus I want to be a woman or I think I should be a woman? I think it depends on the person, whatever makes sense to them. Gender is such a complicated issue. How many genders are there? There's a lot of gender. We're finding out it's not just two. It's more than three. It's more than three. OK, look, give us some magic. See, this is where the awareness comes in. Give us the education. So gender, we think of as male or female. But what is the gender range here? It's like infinity, right? I saw a whole chart once. There's a whole chart. And I didn't know this until like last week, so I'm still learning. There are people who are gender fluid. They kind of go back and forth. There are people who consider themselves agender, like no gender at all, genderless. I kind of feel that way. I feel like I'm just sort of some consciousness. I feel like I'm just consciousness in this flesh. And I think that's true. And I think that's out of the flesh. I'll just be consciousness. Before we get into the chart, so define gender, though, because as far as Retardo Americano, it's like gender is male and female, right? Well, yeah, but it is a social construct, a lot of it. Like we're talking about gender as an identity, like however you feel most resonates with you. And gender is such an integral part of people's identity in the first place. It's kind of wild when you think about it. Like you have to use an entirely different word as a pronoun. Like that's one of the big stumbling blocks. No one wants to change pronouns. Right. I'm a grammar geek, so I love it. Mm-hmm. Wait, wait. You got to dumb it down for us, though. Changing pronouns meaning- So it's like he or she. Do I call her a he or do I call Robin a he or a she? That shit. Right. Or some people prefer they as their pronoun because they don't feel they are a he or a she. I totally get it because my friend, I mean, I know him, but it's just like your brain. It's not him. It's my fucking brain. It's like, and I want to honor who she is, right? Right. But maybe I can clarify a little bit. I mean, I was struggling with this when I came out. I was asking the same questions to myself and I was going to there. I mean, I still go to therapy, like maybe I'm making this up or whatever, you know? Yeah. And then someone gave me like a history lesson that actually the idea of there being two genders is actually a new concept. The idea that there were a lot of genders was what it used to be hundreds of years ago. Sure. And then religion came in and was like, no, we need men to be masculine and we need women to, whatever vagina, women to be feminine. Yeah. So they would beat men up that were feminine. Oh. And then it just didn't work out for a long time until it just became, okay, this is guys and this is girls. Yeah. And this is guys, just to control people. Yeah. And so that's what happened. I had a couple of guys shame me. My old ex-girlfriend's family- Nobody shamed you, bro. Come on. No, no, get this. Bullshit. My ex-girlfriend's family shamed me. You're just trying to fit in right now, bro. Shut up, motherfucker. Get the fuck out of here. My ex-girlfriend's family shamed me because I didn't know how to ride a motorcycle. To them, that was the epitome of masculinity is knowing how to ride a motorcycle because I didn't know how to ride a motorcycle. Who was that? My ex-girlfriend's family? Yeah. Was she Latina? No, they were a white American family. Oh my God. They were . Yeah, but they were biker types. So because I didn't know how to motorcycle, I wasn't a man because I didn't know how to ride a motorcycle. Well, I kind of agree with that. I mean, if you're not born knowing how to ride a motorcycle, then something's fucking wrong with you. It has nothing to do with gender or whatever or culture. It's like if you don't know how to ride a motorcycle as soon as you come out the womb, something's wrong with you, man. Yeah. And that was going back about 15 years. So I think about 15 years ago is when I started thinking, who the fuck is this? Who the fuck are you to tell me what's man or what I should know? What right do you have to question who I am because I don't know how to ride a fucking motorcycle? Yeah. And it made me angry actually. So let's go to the chart. Let's go to the chart. Where am I on that chart? Give me a lifesavers rainbow variety of genders because I'm trying to understand myself. So there's male, female. So much pressure you guys have to educate. No, no, there's no pressure. This is some next level shit you're asking for here. There's a bunch of- I'll be honest. I am extremely sympathetic. I am plugged in, but I saw that chart and I was like, I'm going to get to this later. It's actually, it's very complicated. It's in my list. I bookmarked it, but I don't feel comfortable explaining it to anybody. It's like the secret menu at In-N-Out. Like, yo, it's the slime-o. So this is what helped me is, you know, there's like, we think it's XX and XY chromosomes. That's it. But there's like XXXY, XXYO, XOO. There's just like a bunch of different combinations. And the doctors never check what gender you are. They don't check. They don't know what gender you are. They just go, you know, everyone starts off as a woman, I think. Right? And then if your disc goes dropped, then they just snap. Former zygote. Former zygote. So like, that's not medical at all. They just didn't know what the fuck they were doing back then. Got it. True. Penis male, vagina female. There's like a certain measurements of the genitalia and then the doctor just decides. Got it. This is a penis or this is a clit. Oh, like eight penis or clit. Is that what they do? Eight inch penis as a baby, you're black. Six inch penis, you're Latino. How'd you know? How'd you know? It gets subdivided even further. Yeah. Yeah. I get it. Can I say something about your, you know, you got shamed with the motorcycle thing is, you know, being transgender is really hard and you know, I get stalker messages now and everything. And being a woman is in a lot of ways a lot scarier, but I don't miss the parts of being a guy where I constantly got shamed by not being man enough. Like that was really like, I think that's why Bill Burr had a joke about like, that's why men die earlier. It's because you can't ever say a puppy is cute and you just come and suppress it all the time. Yeah. It's horrible. It's a horrible thing that men do to each other. It's almost like then a freedom. Yeah. It's like a release. Yeah. Almost. Cause yeah, there is a lot of that. Like, like, you know what? Every now and again, every now and again, like I swear, like once a year, I want to cry. I want to cry. But you know, what do you do about it? I can't cry. I'm a man. Mother fucker. You need to cry. I have a friend. You need to cry. I cry. It's unhealthy not to cry. For fuck sake. Lifetime is there for a reason. Lifetime network. Just tune in. There's some stupid shit going on and you'll cry. Okay. So what I want to get to is, you know, I'm a man. I'm a woman. I'm a man. And you'll cry. Okay. So what I want to get into is, is what I found fascinating. I found fascinating not only that you're going through your transgender experience and living a new life and being who you really are and who you are and who you want to be, but how you've come along for the ride. So you guys were dating. He comes out and he says, I am transgender. And what goes on in your head? I mean, are you thinking shit? Does this mean I'm a lesbian? What happens in your head? Well, actually I do identify as lesbian for sure. And I was, I was really excited because I've always wanted to be one. I was like shit. Is that like a. Is that like a. Is that like transsexual? No, if he's transgender because he wants to be a woman or believes he's a woman, you want to be a lesbian. You like you, you were like trans heterosexual or what would that be? Full disclosure. I did not have an orgasm until I was 30. Many good men attempted. And, you know, it was fine, but I really didn't know what the big deal with sex was. It was just kind of like, oh, I guess I'm hetero. Cause it's like, you have to be very aggressive to, to bed a woman, you know, like this wasn't, it was very passive. So like gentlemen callers would just come to my door. Gentlemen callers? I'm not doing anything else. I was in my twenties. Charles Dickensville? His, his car horn is like. That's funny. So I mean, but I mean you identify as heterosexual. Wait, you identify as lesbian? I do. I really think, you know, honestly there's a term that was probably on the chart. It's a pansexual where you don't, it doesn't really matter. You like people who are trans. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. But it's a pansexual where you don't, it doesn't really matter. You like people. It doesn't really matter what body part they have. You know, you're just evaluating based on a whole host of factors and then you get turned on or you don't get turned on. So in other words, what you're saying is that if you, you may find men or women attractive sexually? I think so. But that's not bisexual. But only, only a woman has given me an orgasm and she's sitting here right now. I love it when she talks about it. Okay. Okay. So that's, this is why I brought us all together. Okay. So I want to just go back a little bit. You said you were a cisgender. Yeah, tell us what cis is. Give us some education on the word cis. Just let me know what that is and then, and then just because I tend to have my ADD go all over the place. I want to know, I want to go back to that, a woman giving you an orgasm thing. I'm just curious. Because if you look at CIS, it's all over YouTube. Tell us. Cisgender means that I, when I was born, I had a vagina and I identified as a girl and a woman and it feels mostly right to me. I'm kind of like you, Sal. I feel a little androgynous. I feel kind of like- Sal, you're androgynous, motherfucker? I'm putting words in your mouth. I thought you said that. I did not say that, but I felt it. No, no, no, no, no. He said that he wore lipstick once in a while, but I don't personally believe it. I'm thinking he's just trying to fit in. No, no, no, that's all he's doing. I got the little mascara things. What are the mascara things to make your eyelashes? What the fuck? Dude, I wore eyeliner, but it was in the eighties and that was fashionable. I had none of those. I had none of those. I had none of those. I had none of those. I had none of those. I shouldn't have shouldnered them. I shouldn't shouldnered them. I shouldn't shouldnered them. I shouldn't shouldnered them. I shouldn't shouldnered them. I shouldn't shouldnered them. I shouldn't shouldnered them. I shouldn't shouldnered them. I shouldn't shouldnered them. I shouldn't shouldnered them. I shouldn't shouldnered them. I shouldn't shouldnered them. I shouldn't shouldnered them. I shouldn't shouldnered them. I shouldn't shouldnered them. I shouldn't shouldnered them. I shouldn't shouldnered them. I shouldn't shouldnered them. I shouldn't shouldnered them. I shouldn't shouldnered them. I shouldn't shouldnered them. I shouldn't shouldnered them. I shouldn't shouldnered them. I shouldn't shouldnered them. have body parts that do not match with how they identify gender wise. So that's really the, that's the only difference. So cisgender just means that I was born with a penis and I identify as a man and my image kind of matches. It all lines up. You're not even thinking about it. It's not an issue for you. Very fortunate. Like when I step outside, society sees me as a man and they, and I, I see myself as a man. So everything matches up that way. That's all it means. My thing is, I think, and this is how I really feel about it. And we were talking about it on the way down. I feel that as humans, we should just accept people for who they are. It doesn't matter what they are sexually or gender. I think that gives a fuck. That is actually the main goal. My thing is, why do I have to? And the reason this came about was because I was, we were having this discussion about gender specific bathrooms, right? And how in California, it is now legal or they're trying to force a law, whatever. Maybe I'm making it all up. Maybe I'm making the legal shit up. But in other words, they're trying to make it acceptable for a young boy, a physically born boy that identifies as a female to be able to use the women's bathroom at school. And so, and so, you know, and I'm very liberal. Okay. Very liberal. But I, but, but, but the thing that comes to my mind is, okay, well then as a Puerto Rican kid, I'm thinking, fuck it. I'll just say I identify as a woman and I'll just go into a, a little girl's bathroom and, you know, just take advantage of that. Right. That's, that's my cynical side. I can answer that. I thought about that too. When I came out at work and I was like, I had all this internal trend, you know, transphobia, like, oh, I don't deserve whatever, you know, but actually when you're transgender, you can't just kind of, Hey, I'm a woman. You need to like get a doctor's. You had to go, see a doctor first. And like, you know, like a professional is going to talk to you. But as a little kid, I mean, I don't think that that, that it's going to get that elaborate. I mean, I don't, I mean, I don't know that. You think a little kid's going to fake it to try to see naked girls? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's going to take all the flack from the friends afterward. I mean, there's a huge hit that people take just living their identity. No, it's preposterous to think this, but I'm just saying. Eric Hartman did that. So like, you're not the only person that thought about that. Yeah. South Park. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um, like Mike Huckabee had some, some, uh, statement about that. Like, yeah. Well, well, the reason just, just to tie it up is I, uh, it's like, so then why don't you just have a third bathroom for people who identify as transgendered? Right. They have these family. And then we're driving and I'm thinking, my thing is, why the fuck do you have to identify people? Cause, cause Sal was saying we shouldn't have gender specific. Yeah. That's what I think. Why are we segregating the gender? Yeah. We should just have, we should have stalls, like just a restroom with a sink and just everyone has a stall. Everyone has their own private. I personally don't think, I don't think it should be gender segregation. I think it should be endowment segregation. Cause I remember when I was younger going to some gay clubs in New York city and some fucking dudes whipping out some massive shit. And I'm like, fuck. And I'm tripping. That's why I know no urinals. Just everyone, everyone has it. Everyone has a stall. A stall. Okay. Yeah. Everyone has a stall. Am I less of a man? Cause I hate urinals. I hate urinals. I hate urinals. Or the worst of the best. The trough. The trough. Oh, those are gross. The trough. I don't know. I never use that. Those are disgusting. Does any, does anyone enjoy that? Do you enjoy that? No. Just urinating in a trough? Yeah. No. It's been forced on us as men. I don't like, I don't like smelling urine. Yeah. Absolutely. And when you go into one of these places, it smells like urine. And here's the other thing. What the fuck is the deal with ice inside of a urinal? I know. Is that like to like refrigerate the urine somewhere down the line? There's a leprechaun drinking it. Can I say, what is that? When I started using the women's restroom, like at work, I was like, this is so fucking nice. Like, I was like, I hope no one finds out. It's so nice. It smells nice. Oh my God. There's a couch in some women's restrooms. A fucking couch. Yeah. There's like plants on the sink. But then there are some women's bathrooms. Cause my wife will be like, Jesus Christ. I just came from this bathroom. Blah, blah, blah. So it's not a gender thing. I don't think that's true. Yeah. We can't. No, no. Cause like, I remember one, one time my friend came out of this restroom that was like, you know, it was like a one person restroom and she goes, Oh my God, it's so fucking disgusting in there. And it was my turn. I'm like, no, it just, it smells like every other restroom. It smells like a regular. So she probably just went to like a guy's restroom. Right. Right. It wasn't disgusting. Like, yeah. Okay. So let's, let's go to the question. We're going to have to wrap it up really soon. And I want our guests to tell us about their upcoming show. And then we're going to bring our next guest up. So, so what I wanted to ask was, so a woman made you orgasm. And so, and, and I'm not trying to go into the next guest. Keep talking about it. No, no, no, no, no, no. And mind you, I'm not trying to get into some sexual bullshit. I don't care. I'm just curious because again, as a, you know, retardo Americano, like, is that a, is that a coffee or? Yeah, that's a coffee. I'm just saying like, so, so being born biologically a woman and, and Robin being born biologically a male, again, no, no labels to you, but from my, my perspective. So my thing is, so like, what was the difference between like a regular guy and then Robin, the woman? Well, I don't want to go into gory detail, but you can say whatever you want. The way Robin and I fucked, even before, even before she came out, it was not what I would describe as heterosexual. Like, there wasn't really a connection, no, with the, the penis at all. Yeah. I didn't like using it. You didn't want to use it. I didn't miss it. Yeah. But we, but we, we tried because we thought the society needs us to. Right. So we, we can't. The instructions say that I'm supposed to use this. Ted Cruz says this is supposed to happen right now. Ted Cruz, hold on, the instructions say I'm supposed to take this out right now, unwrap it, and I'm supposed to put it here. Is that right? Yeah, it's like you have to simulate making a baby, which is ridiculous because we don't want that anyway. Right. So yeah, there's so much you can do. Hands, mouth. I mean, use your imagination. Right, right, right. Feet. No, I'm just, I'm just, I'm curious because, and I wasn't trying to go into any specific graphicness of it. Just curious. Was it like a, an emotional thing or something else? It was very emotional, sensual, affectionate. Got it. Yeah. And it was very satisfying. There was a lot of talking, a lot of holding. I remember she, she laughed a lot and I was, and she's like, it was like, she was so happy. And I was like, I don't know what I did, you know, but it was good, I guess. It was unbearable laughter. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I think what I disliked about having sex with men is there was always a sense of like rushing and urgency to it. Cause the cops might come. That's why. Yeah. The erection police might come and be like, yo, hurry the fuck up. Hurry the fuck up. That cock is going to go flaccid. Hurry the fuck up. Yeah. Yeah. You know, we'd be going at it and then be like, oh, you, did you get there, babe? You done? Babe, can we? No. Don't work like that. Not yet. And these were, I believe they were good at what they did. Positive Yelp reviews. I mean, I don't blame them at all. Guys don't realize you just got to ask you, like my wife, I just tell her, listen, just think about a shoe sale. Think about all those shoes down the Rodeo drive. And I just take my time because the worst thing you can do as a man is try to rush a woman into like, are you ready? Are you done? Are you ready there? Are you done? It's just like, come on, dude, you're in for the ride or get the fuck out. But even without saying it, I mean, there's still this like raging boner. No, guys are complete. I mean, guys are, you know, I'm sorry. He apologizes on behalf of cisgendered males. I do. I didn't have a bad time. You know, it was, it was zesty. If I had nothing better to do, it was cool. You know, I was very selfless. I was like, it was very important for me. Yeah. I was, it was very important for me for her to get off. Also. She's like my first, like real, real relationship. So I'm like, all right, I got to make her come where she'll leave me, you know? So like, it was just whatever I can. No pressure. Yeah. No pressure. Listen, we got to move on unfortunately, but I want, I want you guys to plug. You guys got an upcoming show where the both of you will be on stage talking about what we're talking about tonight and more, right? Right. It's called unconventional lesbians. It will be at a karma lounge in Los Angeles on Saturday, October 24th. Uh, seven o'clock. Uh, no cover. Uh, that's karma lounge on Beverly Boulevard, Saturday, October 27th, uh, 24th, 24th. So the other thing I want to just say, and before we just, uh, introduce our, our next guest. So your comedy, uh, deals with transgender issues. Some of it. Yeah. Yeah. I'm also, I'm, I'm a feminist. Not to freak anybody. I'm a feminist too, by the way. And I'm serious. Actually, I believe you. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm a big wrestling fan. So I talk about, I'm a big feminist. I'm like a hundred percent for the women. Rock on. Yeah. Yeah. I believe you. Oh yeah. I believe you. And I'm also for individual freedom and, and individual rights. I mean, I think if you're listening to my show, if you're listening to Sal and Nestor Rodriguez, the Nestorius public radio show. You say that like we're a married couple or something. Are you listening to Sal and Nestor Rodriguez? See, my thing is, my thing is, and our thing on this show has always been a take responsibility for your actions. Take responsibility. And the other thing, my thing is love, you know, love everybody, live and let be, and, and, and, and, and, and just, and just embrace life, man. Embrace everyone's individuality. Encourage, encourage individuality. You know what I mean? Stop the judgment, man. Judge the drivers, but don't judge people in general. Okay. That was better than Jerry Springer's final thoughts. Was it? That was better. I'd like to thank our guests, Robin Tran and Kate Gary. They're going to be sticking around and chatting with us a little bit more, but we are about to introduce now our next guest, the guest that just came into the studio. Very excited to bring these next guests out here. And on a similar topic, we're going to be talking about some transgender issues here, as I called tonight, Transapalooza. What did I call it tonight? Transvaganza. That's what I call it. Is that the name? Is that the title of this episode? Transvaganza? Transvaganza. Yeah. Interesting. I like being wordy-ish. I like being wordy-ish. Our next guest coming out here, I'm very excited to bring him out. They are introducing a new, I'm not going to call it a transgender animated series. It's an animated series where the lead character, happens to be a transgender character, played by, voiced by a transgender actress, which is absolutely groundbreaking. And we're going to talk about some of the hate that they have been experiencing. Man, my God, I could not believe some of the YouTube hate. I mean, believe me, I'm pretty, I've been on YouTube for 10 years. I can handle my shit on YouTube. I was shocked at some of the stuff that I saw. They're going to talk about their new show called Gen Zed. Ladies and gentlemen, we have Julie Rae Goldstein and Hayden Black in the studio. Good evening. Hey, thanks for having us. It's been really interesting listening to everything. Because Nesta's talking about wearing eyeliner and going to gay clubs in New York. You're talking about how you don't feel like you're a man. It is. So do you feel welcome? Do you feel like you're one of us? No, it is. No, frankly, I'm full of judgment. I can't wait to get the hell away from the studio. Hayden, tell us a little bit about your background, because I know you had some success with a show called Goodnight Burbank. Yeah, so my claim to fame was, Goodnight Burbank was the first half-hour scripted comedy made for the web, certainly for Hulu, went up on Hulu in 2011. Laura Silverman, Dominic Monaghan, John Barrowman, Jim Rash, amazing, amazing cast of people. And the day it premiered, Mark Cuban, excuse me, picked it up for television, for cable TV. So we became the first, and I think so far only, half-hour show to go from the web to television. And then I've done bits and pieces of other things. Yes, you're also a big Doctor Who fan, I understand. Huge Doctor Who fan. You do panels? Don't you do panels at Comic-Con? Yeah, I do. It was at GalleyCon, the Gallifrey Doctor Who convention. Yeah, you were into Doctor Who. And next year, too. No, I know the fourth Doctor, because the fourth Doctor was on when they came out to the US. Yeah, Tom Baker. So I know Tom Baker, but I wouldn't say that I'm a fan, but I did used to watch it as a kid and I did enjoy it. Well, I think you'd like the new version. Yeah? The fourth Doctor. It was the fourth Doctor, Tom Baker. Hey, yo, what's up? This is funk Doctor Spock, popping mad flavor in your motherfucking ear. The fourth Doctor, motherfucker. . So bring us up to speed how you went from Goodnight Burbank to now Gen Zed. I'm very excited about Gen Zed and I definitely want to talk about how a two-minute clip, a two-minute trailer is bringing up so much controversy and what I, for lack of a better term, just utter hatred I've been watching. Oh, no, we'll get to it. So Gen Zed started life as a half-hour live-action pilot that I'd written a year ago and I just decided, I've never done animation before properly, like I'm going to do this animated. And just set to, you know, we got this amazing, amazing cast. Julie Ray was the first trans actress that we auditioned for the role of Shona and she just knocked it out of the ballpark. I mean, her talent is for the, we are so lucky to have her on the show, like so lucky. It's going to make the show. Hold on, we got to give a big up for that. Big up, man, you don't stop, brother. Wow, and you actually got into blackface just to say that. That's pretty, you fucking committed to that bit, dude. And I admire that. I give, I haven't done any big ups before. I needed to do some big ups. You got big ups. He's Puerto Rican, he's half black. Yeah, I do. Big up, you motherfucker, yeah! All right. So, I mean. Wait, how'd you do the casting? What'd you do, put an ad on Breakdown Express or what'd you guys do? No, I do it, I just do it through like my network, like the people I know, I'll say, do you know anyone, da, da, da, da, and I'll go that way and it's like, you know. So you don't want to pay the 40 bucks a month to advertise on LA Casting. Fuck that shit. Thank you, thank you. I know people, that's all you need to do. Thank you. Fuck them. Right, exactly. So, so yeah, we, and we got into the extra special, so we got John Keating, Emily Chang, Kevin Richmond. Richmond. Playing the main cast. And then we've got some great names like Jane Weidland, Richard Schiff, Hal Sparks, Matt Del Negro, Miracle Laurie, all coming in to do, you know, smaller roles and stuff like that. Are there any Latinos in this? Yes, there's a Latino, the landlord. Uncredited? Uncredited? She's uncredited. The landlord. Not the super. Is this on the east coast? He owns the building. He owns the building, okay, the landlord. He owns the building, don't you worry. The landlord. He owns the building and he's played by Marcelo Tubbert, who is Hispanic. Okay, okay. So we make sure that every character. We're gonna verify that, I'll have you know. No, look Marcelo Tubbert up on IMDB, the guy is like. Marcelo Tubbert? Tubbert, T-U-B-E-R-T. Tubbert. Tubbert. What kind of a Latino is that? I think he's from Argentina. Oh, okay. Those South Americans always taking the roles for the fucking Mexicans. Big up your motherfucker, man, fuck you, man, fuck you. So we dropped the trailer like three months ago. And about one, just over six weeks ago, it was picked up on, it's not the YouTube crowd that's doing all this stuff. It got picked up on these 4chan, 8chan, KiwiFong website boards. I knew nothing about them. This has all just been a big learning curve for me. 4chan is not like Channel 4 from England. No, no, it's the same people who egged people like the Oregon Shooter on to like kill as many people as he can. These are the kind of people that inhabit these, you know, the trolls basically. Hold on, rewind a little bit. Oh, do you think he's... Okay. So who are the people that egg on the Oregon Killer? Julie, why don't you take this? Because I know she's quite well versed in these worlds. These aren't the men's rights groups, are they? Which, by the way, I love your voice, Julie. I just want to say that right off the bat. Very sexy radio voice. You didn't tell me that. Thanks a lot, mate. No, big up my voice. Big up Hayden. Big up with your English preaching mind, you dog. Big up Hayden. Big up with your English preaching mind, you dog. Big up with your gay accent. Big up with your gay accent. Big up with your gay accent. Big up with your gay accent. But it was actually found that the Oregon shooter, the night before, he posted on 4chan like a warning to people. It's like, if you live in the Northwest, don't go to school tomorrow. And people just egged him on on these boards. They were like, do it. Take out as many people as possible. Unbelievable. And the moment that news started coming out about what he was doing, like they realized who they were egging on all night. Instead of being like, oh, my God, what did we do? They started celebrating. No. They should be held accountable. They should be held as accessories. If you're going to egg somebody on to commit a crime of murder, you should be held accountable. One of them actually said to me the other day, like in their defense, they support some suicide hotline thing. And I'm like, how about you guys just stop driving people to try suicide in the first place? That would be just good. And with them, it's also this, there's this theme because they completely go on the fact that, it's the truth that 41% of trans people have reported attempting suicide. And they take it as, oh, if we push the trans people a little more, they'll kill themselves. So keep pushing them until they try to commit suicide. I would vote for that if all the trans were Republicans like Ted Cruz and Donald Trump. Caitlyn Jenner is a Republican. That's a really bizarre way of advocating trans death, by the way. Yeah. As long as it's Ted Cruz. If it's Ted Cruz, man, I'm sorry for you guys. I'm sorry. I think the closest we have to trans in that Republican race right now is Mike Huckabee because he keeps talking about it. Yeah. He's obsessed with it. And that's what we were talking about a little bit before the show is that it's one thing if like, if let's say I don't like anything trans and I'm homophobic, I'm transphobic, any phobic. And I look at something on YouTube and I go, ah, this is bullshit. And I click and I move on with my life. Right. Instead, these people create an obsession. They're obsessed with taking you guys down. Oh, really? Going so far as to creating horrible parodies. They've created actual video parodies of your trailer. There's 10 minute versions of this. This is a 25 minute takedown of our two minute trailer. Interesting. Right now, which is mostly, you know, some guy clearly with breathing issues and on Ambien. Tell me, tell me what for trans. Is that? C-H-A-N. Not for trans. For chan. Yeah. You just got trans on the brain. No, no, no. I just, I didn't know what it was. So for chan. Is that a blog? They're anonymous image boards and the entire, uh, the entire, yeah, the entire, um, the entire draw of them is that they are anonymous. So basically like the dredges of humanity go on there and basically say everything that they've kept themselves and common decency. I'm still trying to get caught up. I feel old. I mean, cause I hear Kate Gary talk about Reddit. I don't even know shit about Reddit and now I don't know shit about, about 4chan. Yeah. I don't know anything about that. I'm better off not knowing. They're just the fucking scum of the. But just saying anonymous, I mean, go to Yahoo news. The article would be about fucking, you know, sprinkles on a donut, like five lines down. They'll be like, niggas suck. Donuts. They need to stop fucking around with our Dunkin' Donuts. They drinking our half and half. The Mexicans need to go fuck themselves cause the wall is taking too long to be built. Trump needs to rise to power. I mean, it's just like people are fucked up. We get that on all the platforms. Well. Like, shouldn't we shouldn't shouldn't shouldn't shouldn't shouldn't shouldn't shouldn't shouldn't shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn shouldn does not doing this show. It's a campaign. It's a campaign against you. Yeah, absolutely. Hey, so the question begs, we've got a two-minute trailer and it's causing this, these levels of consternation. We've got something really special here. That's actually good. And I love the fact that they're letting us know that ahead of time. They're basically saying, you go, you know, you've got something really amazing here that we're fucking terrified of and there was no reason, I mean, there's no way we're stopping it, you know? Yeah. No, I want to promote it. I want to make sure it happens. You know? Thank you. If everybody in the world said, Hayden, we agree and support with what you're doing, you'd be like, as an artist, you'd be like, oh, this is going to suck. No, as an English Jew, I'd be like, eh, I'll try something else. Yeah, because you got slammed. A lot of people said that because you are not a transgender person yourself. No, not the last time I checked. Okay. So they're slamming you. These people are slamming Hayden saying that you're just exploiting trans people. What do you think of that? It's mock outrage. They just try and make fun of everything. Initially, the show was so pro-social justice and so pro-social justice and so pro-Tumblr. And then they read my Twitter account with all my dark jokes and shit. And then they were like, wait, wait, he's, we don't know what to do. We don't know what to make of him. He doesn't fit our narratives. Let's just keep changing things. And it's just mock, one mock outrage after the next. I pay zero attention to it. Well, they keep trying to tell me what a horrible person you are and how I shouldn't be involved with the show. They keep like finding like all this. That's actually me writing anonymously. You have your random Twitter accounts too because they do it a lot to me on Twitter where they'll start sending me. It's like the quote unquote worst of your humor and be like, how did you know that Hayden says this? Kind of like, so? I love it. And then Julie will send it to me and I'll listen to it like, oh, that was funny or that wasn't a good one. I can do better than that. That one only got 30 likes. I guess it wasn't that horrible. So one thing, I like the way when you went, I'm an English Jew, you completely lost your English accent. I love that. You just, did I become New York Jew? No, no, no, no. You just became Florida Jew. You were like, Marty, listen, Marty. I'm an English Jew. What can I tell you? Marty. I haven't lived in this country Would you put your shoes down over there, Marty? Oh yeah, because you are from Florida also, right? You live in large. I'm not from Florida. I lived in Florida when we moved, when we emigrated from England when I was a toddler. Okay, so that's what I found interesting though is you have an accent but you grew up in Florida. Well, it was the only way I was having to get laid. Let's face it. But you, how old were you when you came to New York? I was a teenager. Teenager. So it's kind of hard to lose your accent right away. I mean, your formative years are like, you know. Yeah, sure. Those have been and gone. Yeah. Plus you're living with your mom, your mom and dad. I'm living with mom and dad and me sister. And so they're talking to you like that. And we all wore knotted handkerchiefs on the head and walked around like the Gumby's from Python. And we watched Doctor Who. And we watched Doctor Who around the clock. Julie, I want to get into your story a little bit. How long ago, or tell us about how you came out, as transgender, to your family, to your friends. What was it like for you? Was it a hard process? I guess, am I asking a stupid question? It was a difficult process? No, it's just, it's so far removed for me. I actually came out as a teenager. I was 16 when I came out. And it was kind of, it was a weird moment for me because I was graduating high school and going into college. And actually, I grew up in South America in Venezuela. Yeah, I grew up in Venezuela. Eres Latina? Un poquito? Si, tengo sangre. Tienes sangre Latina? Tengo sangre Latina. Even sexier in Spanish. She's like, si, tengo sangre. Mire, no tengo acento en ninguno de los dos idiomas, pero... Pero puedes hablar el español bien, bien, bien, bien nice. Mi mamá es puertorriqueña. De verdad? Oh, shit. Yo también, yo soy puertorriqueño. Yeah, it's... But all Puerto Ricans' mom, all Puerto Rican moms are trans. Trust me. They flip from fucking... No, you're confusing bipolar with trans. Oh, is that what I'm doing? Yes. Okay, you're right. You're right, it's bipolar. Oh, the Jewish mom are even worse. That was mine. That's funny. So, continue. So, you came out at 16 before high school? Yeah, it was... Oh, my God. It was like the... It was the late 90s. I was 16 and I'd started... The internet was kind of new at the time and for a long time I didn't know what was going on. When I came out originally to my mom, I was 13 and her immediate reaction was, oh, my God, there's something wrong. Let's get... Let's get her in therapy. Right. And I got sent to one of these conversion therapist persons and all he really did was put me back into like regression for three years. And then, so at 16, I learned more about other people who were trans and came out and realized that, you know what, I have to deal with my issues and otherwise I'm going to end up dead. How and where did you learn about other trans people? Scarily enough, the first time I even realized that it was... It was more than just me was I was really reading a Ripley's Believe It or Not and it was talking about... Oh, what's her name? Why didn't you start this story with Believe It or Not? No, it was Ripley's Believe It or Not and it was a story about Christine Jorgensen and that was the first time... Was she a tennis player? No, you're thinking of Renee Richards. Yeah. She was in the 70s, yeah? Yeah, 70s, 80s. Christine Jorgensen is from late 50s, early 60s. I can't even remember the exact date but she is widely known as the first person to go through medical transition. I thought it was Tula. I remember as a kid I would watch talk shows and see Tula. Does that name ring a bell? Yeah, Tula was after. That was 80s. That was Carolyn Cosi. Yeah. She was in the James Bond film and she was in the Power Station video for Some Like It Hot. Yeah, and that was the first time I even found out about it and then when I got internet like in the late 90s, I started meeting... I started talking to other people who were trans, found boards and started talking to people over email and realized that, oh, there's an actual procedure. There's... There's medical procedures that are set up. Julie actually founded 4chan. Yes, I did. Way before it actually was founded. See, this redeems the... Is that true? No. No, no, but I... Like, I don't even... Just speak a lot of shit. No, I don't even understand what that 4chan thing is. I still don't get it. We can Google it later. No, no, no, but I'm just saying is this just one website or is it like a... like a series of websites? It's a website with lots of boards on it that you can post messages on. Yeah, and there's... The worst ones are like Poll and R9K. I think Poll is like politically incorrect. R9K is like... Oh, it's robot something, but the Oregon shooter, he was egged on on R9K. So these are the bulletin boards in there? Yes. Yeah. Why is the website called 4chan, not Losers R Us or I Need Medication.com? Because the one thing they don't want to face is reality. But you know what? They are... I'm willing to bet that all these people are Americans. They're Americans. Actually, you know what? We've got a lot of... A lot of the anti-Semitic stuff came from... came from... Russia and... Really? Yeah, because you can tell these... Either their English is... Either they're Americans where English is their seventh language or, you know, they sound foreign. They don't just... It's not just bad grammar. There's bad grammar in all of it, but this is... The English is particularly bad in some of this stuff. And that's always... That always leans anti-Semitic as well. That's the thing. I mean, we're talking about, you know, gender issues and stuff like that. And then it gets into, you know, ethnicities and cultures and shit. Like, what the fuck? Like, what is all this, like, like, negativity against other people's, like, cultures or, you know... Well, dude, unfortunately, hatred is not as old as the Internet. It's not a lot older. No, I know, but it's just like... I don't fucking understand. Like, I mean, anti-Semitism. You know, it's just like, what the fuck? Don't people have anything better to do with their lives? Clearly not. I mean, look at some of these, you know, 25-minute shitty videos, you know, taking down Gen Z. They've got nothing better to do. They open up threads. Julie checks it. I've never really looked at it. I've looked at it once or twice when it first started. Morbid curiosity. Yeah, and so she'll check from time to time, and there's new threads, like, all the time and pages and pages. They've got nothing else to do. Well, with me, it's because my last name is Goldstein, and even though I'm... I'm not even a practicing Jew, like... She's Puerto Rican. Yeah. Well, my family actually came from Cuba. They only lived in Puerto Rico for, like, two, three years. So now you're Cuban. Yeah, my entire family history... So this is how it goes. My family is from Poland, and when the war was starting to break out, they knew what was gonna happen, and so they emigrated to Cuba. Because the beans were better there. They were like, oh! And then they realized in Cuba, like, 30 years later, the same thing happened. We gotta get the fuck out of here. And then they were only in Puerto Rico for, like, two or three years until they were waiting to move to Miami, which is where all Puerto Ricans end up, I guess. Yeah. There's an entire... Oh, my God. All Puerto Ricans? No, that's where all Cubans end up. Oh, Cubans, yeah. It's in Miami. It's in Miami. Puerto Ricans end up on the Upper West Side of New York City, or on the Lower East Side. Wait, you guys, we gotta start wrapping up. No, we're actually okay for a couple more minutes. Yeah, because I just texted Jeremy, and if it's okay with William, I'm just gonna go over a little bit. Okay. That sounds good. Yeah, because I wanna give him the same amount of time. I will shut the fuck up. No, I wanna give him the same amount of time. So. Thank you. Continue. Let's continue. So, popcorn. Oh, shit. Spit the fuck up for all you Cuban motherfuckers that migrated to Cuba from Mexico. To Miami. Don't know what the fuck I'm saying. Oh, you know what? I will say, it's, um, out of my grandparents, three of them came from Cuba. Only one of my grandparents was actually born in Brooklyn, and it was the Polish side that went directly to New York instead of going through Cuba and Puerto Rico, but three of my grandparents actually are from Cuba. Were born in Cuba. What did you say, nigga? Cuba? Yeah. So, wait, bring us up to speed a little bit more, Julie. So, there you are. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Growing up, and then how'd you get, were you a voiceover actress prior to getting involved with Gen Z? Yeah, I've actually been doing voiceover for about 10 years now. I got started in college. I started doing theater, and for a while, I thought I was just gonna do theater up in the Bay Area, which is where I went to college, and I had an opportunity through a convention called Anime Expo. I won this competition. They were doing, like, an American Idol thing at the time for the anime industry, and I won the AX Idol voice acting competition, God, back in 2005, 10 years ago. I didn't realize we had such prestigious talent on the show. Oh, yes. Nice. Thank you. So, through winning that, I got, like, my first couple of auditions, and I moved down to L.A. and started doing auditions, booking work, and getting an agent, and, you know, kind of steamrolling through there, but I've worked in anime and cartoons and commercials. I've done quite a bit of commercial work. God, all sorts of stuff. Voiceover commercial work? Yeah. Nice. I only started, I got back into the camera world probably about 2010. For a long time, I shied away from the camera work because I kind of had that mentality of, well, I'm trans. There's really no place for us in camera, and the first time that I realized that, oh, my gosh, we do have a place in the entertainment industry was when Candace Kane was on Dirty Sexy Money in, I want to say, 2007 or 2008, and she was the first recurring transgender actress, on a TV show, on a network show, and it just made me realize, it's like, oh, my gosh, we do have a place, and I started getting back into camera. What show was that? Dirty Sexy Money. It only lasted, like, two seasons, and they, spoiler alert, they killed off her character, like, right in the last episode that aired before it got canceled. It was really depressing, but then I was like, well, I don't care about it. Two seasons is not too bad. Well, it was really weird because it wasn't, like, full seasons because it was around the time of the run. It was only episodes each season. Oh, that sucks. Yeah, well, it was a little more than Brit's seasons. Well, it was a little more than 10 episodes. Didn't your agent warn you about getting involved with Hayden Black? Didn't she know about him? Hadn't she read 4chan? No, but 4chan warns me every single day. Oh, my gosh. Like, they are so obsessed with, like, me leaving the show or something. I'm like, you know, you think he says bad stuff on his Twitter account. You should hear what he says every single day. I'm private when Twitter isn't hearing. Are we going to listen to a clip? Is there a clip that we can listen to? There is a clip. Can I look it up and play it? If you go to YouTube, look up Gen Zed. We're going to go to YouTube. By the way, if anyone's listening, genzed.org is our website. The Twitter is gen underscore zed. And then you can find us on Facebook, Tumblr, and Instagram at genzedcomedy. Now, where are you guys in your process right now? Are you in your meeting with people? We're in a meeting It's, it's, we're at a fork. We've been at a fork for a month or so. On the one hand, we're, one of the producers of Futurama came on board, saw the trailer and said, I want to take this to television. So we're going, taking meetings with him. And then the other fork is, you know, if television says no, because there's no guarantee, you know, for anything, we're just going to continue on with the web version, which is recorded and mixed. We recorded it back in January. And, and so we're working on the pilot right now. It's a tiny, tiny animation crew. It's two or three people. So we're hoping that we'll have the pilot finished, hopefully by the end of the year. And then the, the other seven episodes will follow late next year. That is the, the hope. Okay, this is, I understand we have a clip from Gen Z. Yeah. This is a trailer. I understand you, you understand. Hey, hey, don't be making fun of me. Don't be making fun of me. So is it Gen Z a more accurate trailer? Oh God, no, no. It's one of the trolls. It's really weird because you look up Gen Z in like only one of the diaries. Okay, I just want to make sure. Is it Gen Z the most trans-stack? No. No. It's just Gen Z promo, I think. Ha, ha, ha. Okay. The Game Regator guy. Okay, so where am I going to find? It's Gen Z promo. Okay, look up Gen Z promo. And then Gen Z is one word or no? It's not one word. No, two words. It's Gen Z promo. You can tell Julie's, Julie's a microphone professional. Every time she speaks, she jumps back on the mic again. Believe me, a lot of people in the studio don't do that. They're way over here. Okay. Oh, yeah. Gen Z promo. I'm used to six inch voices. This is like 171,000 views. Okay, let me, yeah, okay. I'm not jealous. It's by Gen Z. Yes. Yeah. Cool. All right. I want to, I want to. They met as online gamers. Shona, a stand-up comic. There's nothing like coming of age in a world where all the good Twitter names are gone because you were born too late. Jobs are something you only see in 80s movies. And diet soda gives you diabetes. Cameron, a poet. I'm giving my answer in a free-form poem. Make it a quick haiku. It's a sacrifice, but I cannot live at home, so the answer is shit. Huey, a psychotic. I ain't gonna pop you in the dick. Let me get this out of the way up top. I hate people. And Betsy, fashion victim. These are my Iggy Azaleas, and these are my Azalea Banks. Let's not confuse them, okay? They're not Gen X. They don't want to be Gen Y, so they're moving in together and calling themselves Gen Z. You've shown us more crappy apartments than Bill Cosby drug dates. And it's the first animated show in the history of the world to feature a transgender actress in a lead role. Whoa. You're trans? You didn't know? Being trans shows huge strength of mind. No pun intended, but it takes balls. I'm thinking of replacing my balls with candy and turning the whole thing into a Pez dispenser. Co-starring Jane Weedlin. That's beast! And written and directed by Hayden Black, creator of the award-winning Goodnight Burbank, the first half-hour comedy to go from the web to TV. Alan, some people call this an intervention. I'd like to call it an intertransitional homosexual turnaround fiesta. A train wreck? A troublemaker? A trans? A trans girl? And a trustafarian? And you thought the Breakfast Club was edgy. Jen said, a comedy about growing up and wondering why you bothered. We're still having a party? Okay, let me just take another oxy to calm my nerves. I don't want to get all Lana Del Cray before we hit the Depeche Road. The party starts soon. Huey, we're home. There you go. And I hired that voiceover because he's really cheap. You didn't do that? He's really fucking cheap. I like the music, too. It's like a fun... I like the music. I'm happy. I'm happy. See, so my thing is, I'm watching it, and I'm like, I don't even understand one iota of why anybody, and I'm being serious here, not because you guys were here, like one iota of anything that would even trigger any kind of judgment. I don't even understand it. It's because it's trans-related content. Because you have a trans actress. Because people don't like seeing anything... Some people don't like seeing progressive things. You know, and they're scared of that. They're scared that the white guy is portrayed as a psycho, and that there's an agenda here to take the white man and, you know, cast him aside. Hashtag white cis genocide. Was it hashtag die cis scum? Oh, die cis scum is the big one. So, anyway, speaking as a straight white cisgender man, I don't hate myself that much that I think we... I need to, you know, all white people. Do you put that on a job application? Well, I want to kill all white people. No, no, you put straight white cisgender. Well, nowadays, I think one has to. You have to. It's the politically correct thing to do, you know. You know, there was a... Talking about that, there was a woman in Connecticut that was... I think she was trying to register her kid into kindergarten, and one of the questions on the kindergarten application was, how was the kid... Was it a natural birth or a C-section or some weird shit like this? And you can Google this. It's just like... She was like, what the fuck are you asking me that for? I mean, it's getting to the point... Wait, they were asking the mom if her kid was C-section or asking the kid if they were C-section? No, no, no, the mom. The mom. The mom is registering the kid for kindergarten, and they want to know. And this is the thing, man. It's like, there's certain things in life that are just basically none of your fucking... It's just like, you're just making business, okay? It's that simple. And it goes back to what we were talking about before. There's just like, why do you have to know what people are, you know, how they feel about certain things? And I feel... I feel... I feel... Because if we didn't, we wouldn't have a show, Nestor. No, no, no, no. I feel the same way about politics. It's like, why do you have to be Republican or Democrat? And I mean this, seriously. It's like, I have view... I have opinions as a... that you might call a Republican. I have opinions that you might call Democrat. Democrat. Why the fuck do people have to always put other people in boxes? Well, I think the big thing for me is that it's... I find it completely okay to tell people if you're trans or if you're cis. I think the place where it kind of crosses the line is when they ask you what's in your pants. It's like, for me, somebody asked me that. It's like, there are two people in this world who need to know that. My doctor and my fiance and you're not either of them, so... Well, I hear you. I mean, no one asks me what's in my pants and I would feel the same way. I'd feel uncomfortable about it. Yeah, but trans, it's... For the record, I have a penis in mine. No, no, but I'm just saying. No one asked you, Hayden. No, I know. I just wanted to say it. There's a misconception, though, especially in the Latino community. There's a misconception that, you know, it's okay for men to, you know, like, catcall women and that men... Well, I feel all right if a woman catcalls me. I mean, what's the fucking problem? Sure, sure. And the truth is, it's not. You know what I mean? I don't... What do I care if I'm walking down the street and some chick's looking at my dick? What do I give a shit? How many times does that happen, Sal? It must be, like, on a daily basis. That happens never. Yeah, my thing is, it's, uh... Yeah, I don't... I don't... I don't feel comfortable being objectified regardless, so it doesn't really matter. Look, I get people's fascination with it, especially because we've just been spoon-fed all this Jerry Springer titillating, you know, I'm a man and I slept with a trans woman. Oh, I must be gay. And all this crap. Right. Which it is crap, you know. I think that, ultimately, sexuality and sexual identity sit on a vast spectrum. Nothing is binary, as much as we'd like to try and make it as much. And we're just... I think our show, with Gen Z, we're just gonna... The trans character is one-fourth, one-fifth of the show. Yeah. So it's not like it's gonna be trans issues every day and so on and so forth. But we'll address issues as we go on. We will try and educate people and we will try and do it to the best of our ability. Well, the other big thing about, like, the problem with the Jerry Springer stuff, too, is not just trans people, is that it stigmatizes people who love trans people. And it's like... That, too, yeah. That's something that gets ignored a lot. There's so much problems with, especially, cisgender men not wanting to admit or, you know, bring the trans woman home home. if you date a trans woman. That they want a transgendered woman. All Latinos want transgender women. They don't give a fuck. They're like, y'all, what's up? It's the end of the day. It's the end of the day. It's really simple. Sal's like, yo, what's up, mommy? How you doing, y'all? No, I would date a transgender person. I would. I would love to bring a transgender person home to my fucking family. To your mother. Oh, my God. Just to see the look on their faces, I would be so happy. Hey, so we have a caller on the line. We do. We're about to go off the air. Ring, ring, caller. Hello, how are you? Hi, how are you? I'm good. How are you? I've been listening to your show. Thank you. Where are you calling from? Where are you? My name's Carolyn. I'm in Connecticut. Hey, Carolyn. Hello, Carolyn. Hi, how are you? So what do you like listening to? I'm here with other people. Yeah, what do you like about the show, Carolyn? What do I like about the show? Yeah, what's the next show? Well, from the very beginning when they were talking, well, first of all, you're very funny. Oh, whoa, whoa. I think she's talking to me there. Thank you. Oh, she's talking to Hayden. There's a little delay going on between being on the phone and being on the radio. I couldn't give you an orgasm. I'm going to turn it off a little bit so I can talk to you. Yeah. So do you have a question for any of our guests? All four are here. Or do you have... Well, I have a comment. One is when they were talking about the number of genders, we actually noticed that Facebook listed 51 genders and ABC News commented that they counted 58 genders. And I actually agree that I think that it's more infinite. Wow. But one of the questions was we noticed on the list they had cis female and cis woman for gender. For example, some of them seemed to repeat. Ooh. And there were some questions around that. You be getting all sciency. Y'all, you be getting all scientifically shit. That's kind of an individual basis. I have more than one question, but that was a pretty good one. I like that. I like that because that was... Some of them don't just include... Some of the genders don't just include, for example, gender, but also now are including race to include people of other races like SGL for the African-American community, which is That was new for me. Is that new for you? SGL? Yeah. Does that imply that different races experience transgenderism differently than other races? Is that the idea? I would say yes. That was in the list. Because especially different cultures... I mean, gender is a social construct and different societies have seen transgender people in different ways throughout history. I mean, the Native American community has seen trans people as what they call a two-spirit. So other cultures, other cultures have had conceptions of trans people. It's... Our society is one of the only ones that has actually seen it as a negativism throughout history, which is really weird. I think I identified as you stupid moron growing up. Yeah. Thanks to my father. I identified as estupida! Anyway. Are we all a bunch of damaged adults? We're damaged, dude. We're in a society... I'd like to find someone that isn't. Because I don't think that person exists. People are from fucking damage. When someone wastes half their life making a parody of a two-minute trailer of a comic... Do you know how long it takes? I edit videos for YouTube. Do you know how long that takes to do a two-minute edited video? Dude. It takes forever. It takes forever. It's ridiculous, man. I'm going to give a shout-out to LatinMoon27. LatinMoon. Hello, LatinMoon27. How are you? Pick up LatinMoon27, man! Guys, I think we've got to wrap it up. Caroline, we appreciate you calling. Definitely want to let all of our guests plug themselves one more time. That sounds weird. Plug yourselves one more time. Let our listeners know where they can find you. Hayden, where can we learn more about Gen Z? Well, like I said, Gen Z is... Twitter is Gen underscore Zed. And then Gen Zed Comedy on Facebook, Tumblr, Facebook. And my personal Twitter account where all the dark stuff goes is at Hayden Black. And Julie, have you got a personal webpage you'd like to talk about? I'm on Twitter. It's Julie Ray. J-U-L-E-Y. L-I-E-R-E-I. Ray, like the store, not the pop star. You can also find me on Facebook, Julie Ray Goldstein. Just search for my full name. I'm the... Pretty much... I think I'm the only Julie Ray that spells her middle name, R-E-I, on Facebook. But Julie Ray on Twitter, Julie Ray Goldstein on Facebook. You can find me there. Robin Tran? I am RobinTran04 on Twitter. R-O-B-I-N-T-R-A-N-0-4. You can Google me and I wrote a bunch of articles on like XOJ, and Love TV, and one of my articles got published on like Time Magazine. So I freelance right a lot. So just look me up on Google. Sounds like a spy and shit. Yeah. RobinTran04, secret agent. She will spy on you in the restroom. Kate Gary. Kate Gary. I spell Kate with a C, last name Gary, like the dude's name. I'm the only Kate Gary who has ever existed who spells it that way. You can find me on Facebook and Twitter. I spend a lot more time on Facebook with my rants that Sal apparently follows religiously. I do, but I don't like getting caught up in them because I will be stuck in your threads forever. Oh yes, people like to argue. They like to yell at me and I kind of like it when they yell at me. I don't know what that says about me as a person, but there we are. And also, don't forget to come out and see Robin and my show, Unconventional Lesbians in Los Angeles at the Karma Lounge on Beverly Boulevard on Saturday, October 24th, 7 o'clock. Is there any of your, are there any clips of your standup on YouTube? Oh yes, absolutely. I have a semi-viral joke about Marilyn Monroe that people will post whenever they're yelling at me for being a feminazi, which happens quite often. It's very confusing for people. So look up Kate Gary, Marilyn Monroe. On YouTube. On YouTube, yeah. I have a whole YouTube channel. It's still RobertTran04 and yeah, YouTube.com slash RobertTran04. I have a bunch of standup clips on there. Cool. And then, Jen Zeb, Jen Zeb, Jen Zeb.org is the website. Jen Zeb.org. G-N-Z-E-D. And then, on YouTube is Jen Zeb Promo. not the other crap. I'm telling you. So it's Jen Zeb Promo if you look on YouTube by Jen Zeb. By Jen Zeb, yeah. That's our channel is Jen Zeb. Now check it out, man. Support, leave some positive comments on there. I appreciate that. Appreciate it. I'd like to thank our listeners as well. Thanks for staying tuned. And so, let me just say this. So, this is our penultimate show being recorded here on Skid Row Studios in downtown Los Angeles. We, are gonna do one more show next week, October 15th. Then, we're gonna go off the air for a little bit and we're gonna regroup and we're gonna move the studio to a different location. I just wanna make sure that, um, uh, you keep the, uh, subscribe, the subscriptions on iTunes, uh, uh, active. And, uh, like us on the Facebook page, Nestorius Public Radio and just, uh, go to the Nestorius Public Radio, uh, page on Facebook and I'll post updates or whatever. But make sure that the iTunes, uh, subscription is on and active and, uh, set to automatically download new episodes so that way when we're back up, uh, you'll get the episodes automatically. Alright, cool. Do you have any kind of dolls or anything that you wanna promote? Yeah, why not? Yeah, why not invite everybody? Do you wanna promote some dolls? I'm trying to promote my YouTube channel, motherfucker. Come on down to, uh, shut up! Come on down to YouTube.com slash Salvador Las, Los Angeles. I'm approaching 2,000 subscribers on my review channel. Check me out. Uh, I'm very excited about tonight's show. I appreciate all you guys being here. I loved it. Great being here. Thank you. Thanks for having us. Thank you. it's me