Interview with BMX legend Rick Thorne

People have powerful feelings about the traffic in Los Angeles. It says something that local officials warned motorists about a temporary roadwork closure on the 405 last year by calling it Carmageddon. Angelenos took the hint, and this weekend they're expected to steer clear of the latest 405 closure, named, of course, Carmageddon 2. That's how it is in L.A., a snarl of overstuffed freeways and commuters who keep their cool, except when they don't. KPCC's Stephen Cuevas has this profile of a punk rocker whose music expresses the insanity of L.A. traffic while extolling the virtues of public transit. Couple of things you need to know about Eddie Solis. He lives in L.A., loves the band Kiss, and does not own a car. Being someone who's from L.A., born and raised, and, you know, having a few cars in my past, I saw the city much differently through a different perspective through the eyes of a bus rider. Come on, just all the way to the back. Line 18, Wilshire Western Station. Just steps from the front door of his home, across the street from a tortilla factory in L.A.'s Boyle Heights neighborhood, Solis catches a bus that connects him with the city's subway, and the commuter train he catches to his day job at an indie record label in Hollywood. It just opened me up to, like, little neighborhoods, galleries, clubs, bars, just everything. Just seeing what's out there, little pockets of the city. Solis' journeys aboard L.A. buses and subway cars informs a lot of the material on The New Los Angeles Part One, Through the Eyes of a Bus Rider, the latest release by the singer-guitarist band It's Casual. The New Los Angeles No one has learned much In Solis' vision of a new Los Angeles, people abandon their cars, climb aboard public transit, and rediscover their communities. One song extols the virtues of the L.A. County Metropolitan Transit Agency's E-ZPass, and the urban underbelly it introduces to the rider. And that's, like, a nod and homage to, you know, the people who know what you can even go cheaper, and really beat the system, and really steer away from spending money on gas and oil profits and all that. $50 is all it takes for me to get to work. $50 is all it takes for me to get to work. $50 is all it takes for me to witness racial tension, for me to witness illegal aliens. It's not to paint a negative picture, it's just my perspective of what is seen. Off the bus and back on the street, we make our way past a jazz saxophonist playing for pocket change, and down a long escalator to catch a train. So, where are we now? We're at the Red Line Station. The Pershing Square Station in downtown L.A. And what's our destination? We're going to go downstairs another tier, and in about five minutes we're going to get on the Red Line going northbound. Okay, let's go. The Metro Red Line snakes from North Hollywood to downtown Los Angeles. It's the train that inspired It's Casual's signature tune, and spawned a viral internet video. It was partly filmed late at night on a moving train as it hurtles from station to station. Solis thrashes away on his guitar and barks the lyrics. Which celebrate the Red Line and call out the congested freeways that coil around Los Angeles. This is a Metro Red Line train to North Hollywood. The 210, 605, the freeways are not so nice. The I-5, the 210, the freeways are not so nice. The thread that comes out of the record that ties everyone together is just like, be alive, don't be a victim of having a car. The 210, the 605, the freeways are not so nice. The I-5, the I-10, the freeways are not so nice. The Red Line, the Red Line. An MTA spokesman said he couldn't comment on Eddie Solis' furious pro-Metro message, but the Red Line video was a hit at the offices of Move LA. Eddie's done a good job. Thank you, Eddie. Thank you, Eddie. It's the public transportation advocacy group headed by former Santa Monica mayor Denny Zane. He liked the juxtaposition of Solis blissfully riding LA public transit in one scene with scenes of the band raging against those notorious freeway jams. Eddie is all frantic when he talks about highways and so mellow when he's like grooving on a skateboard and on the bus and on the Red Line. There's a metaphor for the transformation, you know, from the, oh my God, I just got, I got to get out of here. I got to get out of here. I got to get out of here. I got to get out of here. I got to get out of the traffic to, hey, this is cool. I can mellow out. Or you can blast the tune like too many people as you claw your way across Los Angeles by car, bus, or skateboard. Los Angeles There's too many people I want them to go away Even though it may take some time Too many people could also be a motto for its... casual. Over the years, the band whittled itself down to a power duo of Solis and a rotating cast of drummers. So you may think the burly, bearded punk rocker just can't get along with freeways, with people, or his native LA. Not true. I love it. I love everything about it. I've traveled throughout the U.S. many times, and I could never look forward enough to coming back. The weather, the different cultures, the landscape. I was just like, you know what? Now I know why everyone moves to LA. I'm just like, I'm just gonna go to LA. Solis will bring the love and the volume during a Red Line mini tour next month. Its casual will play a different venue within walking distance of several Red Line metro stops from Union Station to West Hollywood. For the California Report, I'm Stephen Cuevas. I was my driver last night I was my driver last night I was my driver last night I was my driver last night I was my driver last night I was my driver last night I was my driver last night I was my driver last night And that's the California Report, a production of KQED Public Radio in San Francisco. Our director this week is Nina Thorson. Ciel Muller is our technical producer. We had additional engineering from Danny Bringer and Howard Gelman. Thanks to Hank Hadley at KCBX. Our online team includes Lisa Pickoff-White, David Marks, and Don Clyde. Our interns are Katherine Borgeson and Rachel Johnson. Tyki Hendrix is our elections editor with production help from Tina Lauerberg. We had editing support from Paul Rogers. Victoria Malione is our associate senior producer. Ingrid Becker is our senior producer. The news director is Bruce Kuhn. I'm Rachel Miro. Thanks for listening and have a great weekend. This is the California Report. 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High five, the high ten, the freeways are not tonight The red line, the red line The red line, the red line The red line, the red line The red line, the red line The 210, the 605, the freeways are not so nice The I-5, the I-10, the freeways are not so nice The 101, the 405, the freeways are not so nice The 605, the 101, the 101, the 101 The I-10, the 210, the 605, the 101 The 405, the I-10, the freeways The I-10, the 305, the 305 Hey, welcome to Los Angeles Nista episode 126. 26. I am the show creator, producer, and host, Eddie Solis. And tonight is the very first Beverly Hills episode we've ever had. And we're going to install some Sherman Oaks and Hollywood into that. And it is with great honor to introduce my in-studio guest, BMX legend, Rick Thorne. What's up, buddy? How you doing? I'm good, man. How are you? You know what? Let me get these headphones on here, right? I'm doing great, dude. I'm stoked to be here. Super stoked. I love it. You know what? And I didn't tell you that 126 is my lucky number. Because one plus two is three, and then three plus two is six, and my favorite number is three, so that works. There you go, man. You know what I mean? Very cool. You know, I've seen a lot of your, you know, God, where can I start? Going back, seeing stuff, I think like on, you know, ESPN. Yeah. And seeing you on MTV Cribs. Oh, man, that was cool. Yeah, following you, you know, I'm a big enthusiast of action. I love sports. Yes. You know, and I just really was stoked that we were able to get you in here and to commit to coming onto the 126th episode. You know, when I see someone like you that's made a world-renowned name for themselves doing what they love, I got to ask you, when did you commit to the bike? When did you say, look it, I'm going to practice, come hell or high water, injuries or not, here I go? Okay. You ready for this one? Yeah. Okay. I started riding. I'm 44, so I've been riding like trick-wise for about 32 years. Okay. But before that, it was like, get out of the house. You know what I mean? It was like a way, I just feel like I got real lucky. I mean, we're talking like way back in like the mid-70s. Like the Eddie Fiola days. Even before, yeah, but I wasn't doing tricks. Eddie was on my wall, right? He was rad. But even before him, just being on a bike, period, like just going. And for me, it was just a feeling. I can't explain it. Like, I guess you go through life, you know, you go through life and you search for feelings and things, whether it's like through people or your career or whatever it is that you do. But I think at a young age, I got that feeling and I just felt super free. You know what I mean? Sure. And the times I was growing up and the things in my life, I was like, I needed an outlet even as a young kid. So to answer your question, I didn't know. Like I just rode because I liked the way it felt and that's it. And then I just stuck with it as it progressed. And then we started to see magazines of dudes like, Eddie Fiola and Brian Blyther and Mike Dominguez. I mean, the legends ripping. But even before that, like that was, you know, I was around 12 when I saw that, but I'm talking like seven to 12. That era was just like, I just loved to ride. I couldn't explain it. I was always on my bike. And then when I had seen magazines of dudes doing tricks, I was blown away because I didn't know that you could do that. We were just jumping like little curbs and stuff and dirt. We had dirt trails, you know, little jumps and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Little stuff. So for me, it was like, once I had seen there was a quarter pipe. And you could ride quarter pipes, whatever. I was about 12. I was like, dude, I want to do this forever. And then a month later, I knocked my forefront teeth out. But I got hit by a car, dude. Also, you got hit by a car? Yeah, I was bombing down this hill to go to the mall. Yeah. This arcade. Because you just do tricks out of the arcade and hang out and stuff. And a car pulled out of the driveway and I didn't see it and bam. And I just remember waking up in the hospital going, I love BMX. I just want to stick with this sport. Let's go backwards. Let's talk about you, Rick Thorne. Where are you from? What's your hometown? Okay, I was born and raised in Kansas City, Missouri. Oh, wow. And people usually go, how's Kansas? I was like, okay, they're two separate states. There's a river that goes. I was in the Missouri side, not the Kansas side. You're all defensive. No, but Kansas City, Missouri, man, that's where I was born and bred and learned how to ride. Wow. I know, man. It's like, it's a cool spot. Kansas City's cool. Super cool. Now, you know, it's funny you mentioned arcades and BMX. That's how it was out here. It was, right? In the late 70s? Yeah. Yeah. Everyone hang out at the arcade and like you would see dudes free. Yeah. We were freestyling in front of the arcade. Yeah. That's what we would do. Yeah. Because there was no like, I mean, parks were closing. Yeah. Well, we didn't have any in Missouri. Didn't even have any, right? No. We would just be like, none. I mean, out here you had Upland, you had Del Mar. That's all legendary, right? Oh, yeah. They redid them. They redid a lot of them, especially Upland. They did a, what is it? They recreated the park from the 70s. But yeah, no, I hear you. We used to put a hat out and I grew up with one of my best friends, if not my best friend in the world, is Dennis McCoy. He's a pro BMX. He's a pro BMXer. And he was, he was just the drive to me. Like he was the dude that I looked up to. He was a couple of years older. He was always the best, right? We had a group called the BMX Brigade. No way. Yeah. Cause in school, dude, before like people were like, you know, we want to be gangsters and all this stuff. Yeah. There was, there was two people. Okay. There was the stoners. Right. And the jocks. Right. And then obviously a little preps, but we weren't really in a rich neighborhood. And then there was the BMX Brigade. Dude. And they hated us. And all their kids got to play. They were like, you're going to put me in a video game later in life. Oh, I love that. I love that. I love that. So, so the BMX Brigade, there were like these elitist asses. We were, and we wouldn't take, and the best part was, is we would just be such smart asses. Totally. Totally. Like just to get chased. Cause we knew all the routes get out everywhere. Right. So we'd go to the arcade. It was the brigade time, dude. We'd be doing tricks and put out a hat and Dennis would be busting out. And like, I mean, he, my friend Dennis was the number one pro in 1985. So we're talking from the 82 to 85. And we talked earlier, like three years. A long time when you're that age. But when your best friend becomes the number one pro in the world, that just inspires you more. I was blessed to hang out with that dude because I learned a lot from him. Sure. But you know, we would go up to the arcade and we'd hang out. And then at school, they would hate us. They'd see us out at night and at school, they didn't want to do anything. You know, they were just like, you know, no fight. You know, they wouldn't fight in school. They liked the brigade. And we just stood up for ourselves, but we weren't thugs. We were just like, you guys are just mad at us cause we're having fun. And we're doing what we want. Yeah. And people think we're nuts. Cool. Yeah. We're totally getting rad. And you guys are just like bumming cause you got a car, you got a girl and you got a job and you're already 16, totally grown up and it sucks. And you're losing hair already. Yeah. I mean, don't get me wrong. Having a car and a job. Nothing wrong with that. It's totally rad. But at 16, when you're dreaming of being a pro rider. Come on. Those are obstacles, dude. You stay away from those. Right. Car, forget about it. Like that means you got, unless your parents are rich, you got a car payment, dude. Yeah. That means you got to work to pay that payment. Right. And you're bye-bye. No more riding. 30 hours a week or 20 hours a week. Yeah. I mean, nowadays it's different cause dudes could get sponsors, more money. Sure. People could have cars younger. But we're talking like when there was nothing really. You couldn't even. The book was being written. Like there was no like industry yet. Like for bikes or skateboards really. No, there was, there was a little bit, but in our area, no way. Yeah. Like it was all SoCal. Everything was SoCal. Oh yeah. San Diego, OC, LA. Yup. And then, and then the Valley was where a lot of bikes were made. Actually my buddy, I got to give him a shout out right now. My buddy, he does my merch for me. It's called Merch Method. Yeah. And he has a, he has a music. He has a music museum in the Valley. His name's Tommy. It's called The Relic. And he has like a grip, a grip of old school bikes restored because he was telling me a lot of spots in the Valley used to make bikes, you know, Diamondback and this, that, and the other. So was Diamondback in the Valley? I'm going off the top of my head, but I could have swore he said Diamondback, but there was a lot of companies that I don't, don't want to quote me because there'll be somebody going, dude, that wasn't there. What about Skyway? Skyway was more up North. Okay. And they came back recently and they started making, I run, I got a front tough wheel on my, on my bike. No way. Yeah. I love toughs too, but Skyway's rad. But I don't know how we got on that subject, but the, the, the whole world, how we were as kids growing up is just like, we found something, you know, it wasn't written. We just were having fun. And then as we started to see like what the kids in SoCal were doing, everybody, when I was in Missouri, even when I was a pup, people would go, Hey man, where are you from? You from California? It would hit you up? Like, cause I just was so frustrated. I was so fascinated with California. I was into the lifestyle, but I was in Missouri. And so like, I. And you were immersed in that life. I was like vans and ocean Pacific and on down the line, you know? And, but we. Was there Miller's outpost back then in Missouri? No, there was Kmart. Is that where you buy OP? No. Well, yeah, you could, or it's at some stores at the mall, but we shopped a lot of thrift store because of the money we made. And so I shopped a thrift store. I was like 19. Wow. Like, I mean, yeah, yeah. It was rad though. But when grunge came out, I was like, dude. You're on top of it. Dude, what are you talking about? Like, I'm not buying the flannel cause of Kurt. I'm buying it cause like we're broke right now, dude. You know what I mean? Like, like I respect you. He probably bought it cause he was broke too, but come on now. Exactly, man. So, so let's talk about, um, the first time you got sponsored. Oh, awesome. What year was that? Uh, the first time I got sponsored was, well, okay. The first sponsor I got was a bike shop sponsor. So it wasn't like really like a legit sponsor. It was a shop sponsor. Yeah. So we'd get like a discount 10% off and we would do little, little. Uh, shows and stuff. And I was about 15 maybe. Yep. But I started doing shows, uh, with my buddy Dennis. Dennis McCoy. Yeah. The BMX brigade shows. And out of like 50 brigade members, dude, and we were, we were a pack. We do all night rides. I mean, we would like, we would like the, the cops didn't like us. The area, no one understood. I mean, this is pre before you turn on the TV and understood what BMX was. I mean, no one understood why there would be. Nowadays you'll see like 200 dudes on fixies running. And people are like, that's cool. They're having fun. But back then you're seeing like 50, 60 teenagers on BMX bikes with long hair and feathers, you know, short shorts. Oh, please. Oh, like, yeah. What are these guys doing? They're different. Get them. Yeah. You know, the dogs would be like pull up in her pickup truck. They all get out. Oh yeah. Get them. Yeah. But they would never catch us. Right. No, no. We'd be like feathered hair. Yeah. Corduroy shorts. Oh yeah. Vans. And probably like a, Oh, what we would have on. Oh yeah. Like maybe a Molly crew t-shirt or something. But like, but like the deal was, dude, it was like, we would, we would just antagonize them. Like the best is come here and be like, Oh no, I think my chain's broke. Oh, they're like, yeah, I got this little brigade member. I'm going to get them. And we'd go sucker and take off. Or, Oh, I think I got a flat. You know, like even if you got a flat, you'd yell it to like the dude chasing you. I think I got a flat guys. Just haunt them. Yeah. All the way. All the way. So, so shop sponsors, obviously that. Yeah. With skateboarding, bikes, surf, it comes, that's always the first thing. It is. And, but BMX is quite differently. Tell me. Or quite. Okay. In the BMX world, there's only a handful of like really good shops to where you can go in and buy like a complete bike and have all the, all the parts that you need. They, they do exist, but it's nothing compared to like the way the skate world is. And obviously the surf, you know, and the snowboard and et cetera. It's like a lot of stuff is still mail order through BMX, even though there are quite a bit of shops. Don't get me wrong. But like when I was living in Missouri, I had to mail order everything, everything because no one was really doing it. There's no shops carrying all that stuff. Right. And what they do carry is more of what people do like mountain bikes and road bikes and stuff. Cause more people do that technically than BMX. Cause if you go, if you go road biking, you're not going to ride a 20 inch bike. I do. I ride, I ride 10 miles a day on my BMX. Awesome. A day. Just stay. I'm not going to go ride an exercise bike in a gym when I'm a pro BMXer. Sorry. Ain't going to happen. I'm going to go bust out on the street, dude. It's way more fun. And, and, and. Yeah. And don't you feed off the energy of the street? Look. In LA. The street with my headphones, they're free. It reminds me when I, why I started doing what I do. Now to keep that spirit. The whole reason. To stay that inspired or draw from inspiration. That's priceless. It is. And the only difference now is, is I used to have a big Walkman with cassettes and now I have a little iPod. It's pretty dope. And it's smaller and has more songs. It does. Way more, dude. It's like so revolutionary. It's revolutionary. But no, but yeah, no. Back in that, back in those days, they were fun. And, and, and you asked me just to go all the way back to the beginning. Yeah. How I got into BMX. It was strictly the camaraderie with my friends. Maybe the antagonizing a bit at school. I always felt like I was somewhat different. Somewhat like, not so much a loner because I love people, but I'm just been always a punker to be quite honest with you. That kind of attitude. Like you don't care. Yeah. I mean, I care. I care. But the thing is, is I care about how I feel or I care. Not, not, not that I don't care about how other people feel, but how I see things maybe differently than someone else. And I felt that way as a kid. That's why we can get into the music. Why I clung to punk rock so much. Cause I felt like punk rock and BMX and early hip hop, all of it was punk. Cause no one understood any of it. Right. So all this stuff we were dealing with at school, even though I didn't have a Mohawk and tattoos, the dudes like the Sex Pistols and the Clash and the Ramones were all facing the same thing musically, even though we were going through the same thing with BMX. And the same with hip hop. It was the same thing with hip hop. Right. It's all rebellion. First and foremost. And it's a going against a conventional grain. Cause you're not with playing on the football team. No. With two jobs and a girlfriend. No. That's a cheerleader and a car. Right. Which is cool. If that's what you want to do and that makes you a happy dude, then do it. But what made me happy was freaking busting out with my homies and having a good time. You know what I mean? But anything that I've ever done, even though I've made my mistakes along the way. Sure. Is I've always deep inside been a very motivating person. And I've always wanted to be inspiring more than I was just being a thug and causing trouble. Even though I had my phases with that as well. But it was always like, even though I felt like I was a total punker, which I was, it wasn't like F the world. I don't care. I'll do what I want. Screw you. Blah, blah, blah. We had anger issues, but we used our BMX to deal with it. Well, you guys, it was therapy. I mean, totally the, the ability for one to express himself through art and self-expression, whether it's music. Art itself, photography, skateboarding, BMX or surfing. It's an outlet. It is. Priceless. And it's the same attitude, but different instrument. Absolutely. So, so after you had your first shop sponsor. Yeah. Was that motivating? Like, okay, cool, man. I'm getting like acknowledged for this. Yeah, dude. I still have the same outfit. I saved it. What? I saved all my stuff. All of it. I save every, I've saved almost everything that I've gotten via magazines. I got stacks and stacks of magazines. I mean, but I have my first jersey. And my. We used to call, they're called leathers, but they're not made of leather. They're like racing leathers is what they would call them. And I still have them. So yeah, I felt like I was part of a team. It was cool. And it was, we would do these little demos and these little clinics, you know? And it was like, I felt like not, not to say that what I was doing didn't have a purpose, but it just felt more like it was more of a purpose, you know? Yeah. You know what I mean? To show off and do your tricks and show your art. It was cool. Cause then I had like a platform for that. Exactly. That before it was just like sporadic with your buddies. Exactly. Exactly. And fun, which is cool. But doing a show was like rad, like this. Okay. It's on, you know? And that's how we trained ourselves for contests. I think. At least I did. Yeah. You, you had a routine. Yeah. And you knew what your capability, you're like, I'm going to do this here and that there. Right. Yeah. Yeah. No, totally. And you would, you would have, uh, you know, we would, we would start off with like bike shop shows and that led to car shows and boat shows and then state fairs. And then along came the X game. God bless them. I'm never doing a state fair again. Let's pay me a lot of freaking money. Like pay like Joan Jett money. I'll do it. Pay me Eddie money, money, and I'll do it. Hey, if, if, if the, if the state fairs are playing sticks money, you're there. Oh yeah, dude. Paradise. No, that's meatloaf. Paradise by the dashboard light. I'll do that. If they're playing sticks right there. Yeah, you can. You're there. Yeah. No sticks money. Yes. What was the record? That's a lot of money. Calm sail away. Calm sail away. Calm sail away. Calm sail away. Oh yeah. That's some serious stuff, dude. That's big time. I'll do, I'll do it for that, dude. But for a hundred bucks a day. Would you even grow the, would you even grow the Coke mustache? If it's the prices right, yeah, dude. I know a sick makeup artist in Hollywood. Let's get one put on there, dude. Did I sell out? No, I have kids to feed. Leave me alone. Hey man, let it be, right? Yeah. So, so let's talk about. Beatles money. Did you say Beatles money just now? Beatles money is great. That'd be sweet. And then a rock and roll hall of fame. Oh yeah. TV money. Well, you got a TV under your hat, all that stuff. Let's talk about that. Let's go through the timeline here. I love this. You like this? Yeah. All right. I just hope I'm not talking too much. No, I love this. We're going to fill this beautiful platform of two hours with all your information. Awesome. And it's going to be here forever. And my social security number and my credit card number. Yeah, you're supposed to leave that. We got to leave a photocopy. We got to photocopy your driver's license and your social security number. Oh, I brought my passport too, just in case. So we have, what I want to know is someone in your shoes at that time. I mean, cause you know, again, like there's not really framework. This industry yet. I mean, it's Eddie Fiola, Mike, Mike Dominguez, Mike Dominguez, Brian Blyther. Those three guys were like the big guys. Yeah. I mean, there was other guys too. I mean, there was Martin Apario, there's Woody Itson. There was a, but the guys that stuck out at the King of the skate parks was Brian Blyther. Mike Dominguez was so ahead of his time and Eddie Fiola. And that was for me. Those were like the dudes that like were all over my wall, especially Mike Dominguez, man. Cause he, he, but the thing about Eddie, Mike and, and Brian. Was they all had different styles. And that's something I just want to like comment on BMX is that like, that's the whole reason, dude, I got into this sport was I felt like I had freedom to be me. And I had a voice for me to create my own style as an individual. Yes. And, and, and as I grew up in punk rock and hip hop, cause the music was very influential. There was so many more characters in hip hop and punk rock back then. Do you understand what I mean? Yes. And it's somewhere along. Everything's gotten diluted where everybody rides the same, raps the same, does the same. Music's the same. And it's crazy. It's like, don't you understand why you're not making it, dude? You have to be you. It's okay to be you. There's no formula. And that's the whole gravy of it all, dude. When I got into riding, there was no freaking formula. It was okay to do what you wanted. And then somewhere along the line, when money and opportunity get involved, there becomes a formula. Dress this way, say this, do these tricks. And I've always been not a rebel against the sport. I'm not against the sport. But don't be. Don't be against me because I openly, freely do what I want and say what I want. Not that it's a bad way. It's like I do my style the way I want to do it. That's the whole reason that I ever got involved. It wasn't like to beat that guy at a contest, to make a lot of money, to be sponsored, to be famous. It had nothing to do with that at the time. Right. At all. You know, it's a great example, which has a lot of lineage to your story, is, you know, the pro skater Steve Alba. Oh, yeah, of course. I know him. He was in here. Oh, he came here too? Yeah. Yeah, he was in here in January. And he said he played football. He played baseball. He played all the sports. And he's like, once I learned how to skate pools, he said, I was really into the fact that I could do this on my own and not rely on assholes. True. Like, you know. Yeah. Jocks on your team. Yeah. And he was like, he says, and the first time I won my first contest, I had like all this money, a bunch of product and a trophy. I'm like, I'm over it. I'm just skateboarding now. That's awesome. You know, so it's kind of the same thing. It's that freedom, dude. Yeah. And like the ability. Yeah. Freedom to be your own team. Yeah. Create your own identity and believe in yourself and like that and like express yourself. And maybe it resonates with some people. Maybe it doesn't. But if you're full on, everyone's going to recognize that. Totally. And like, without a doubt, dude, when we first started getting into the X Games in 95, it seemed like more people were asking us interviews about being hurt. They're wild and they're crazy. And I always be like, ask me my best trick. But society won't know what a 540 is. Well, let's tell them what it is. Yeah. Like, it was insane. Same kind of vibe. Like when you were saying about him is like, you can skate and ride and do all these things on your own. Not that you always want to. Right. But at times, it's cool to. Sometimes it's actually nice to have your own time riding and elaborate on your own tricks. Not to hide stuff from people or anything, but, you know, go out street riding, find your own little spot, shoot a photo like, hey, that was cool. Or video or some clips. Yeah. But then the moment of being with all your friends at the park and having a good time or riding street. That's rad too, man. It's like, there's not really what I see with people sometimes. Maybe, maybe, maybe I could be wrong here, but it's not one way or the other, especially within my sport. It doesn't have to be one way. Everyone dresses one way. Everyone rides. The difference I see in other sports is it's, it's okay to be you. You know what I mean? And, and I always felt that way with riding. That's the whole reason I'm telling it's the whole reason I started riding. I want to get out of the house. I wanted to feel alive. That's it. Bottom line. It's the ultimate experience. It's the ultimate experience. It's the ultimate experience. It's the ultimate experience. It's the ultimate impression. I mean, you play a sport, a team sport, a conventional sport like basketball, soccer, baseball, football. It's fine. However, but I think like what you and Salba share are like, dude, like I'm doing this on my own and I don't need to rely on nine different personalities on the field with me. Or someone yelling at you to do this. Yeah. You have to be a very self-motivated individual at the same time. And let me ask you, didn't your discipline that you taught yourself to learn tricks and pursue the progression of BMX. Did those things apply to life in general to like not give up and just keep moving forward? Oh, yeah. Oh, without a doubt, dude. The things I just went through in my life and I have no problem sharing them. Okay. If you want this right now. Yeah. Okay. To answer your question, in the last year, and I don't say this out of any sympathy, no poor me, nothing. I'm past that. I'm a motivating person and my story is out of motivation. In the last year, I've gotten divorced for the third time. Now, you say three times, wow, you must be this wild, crazy, tattooed guy. out. No, the pattern is I needed to change my vibration as a person. Okay. And, and I, and that's what I've done because I was attracting the same person. Does that make sense? Yep. Okay. Now you're talking about hanging in there and not giving up and applying what you've learned from writing into your everyday life. House gone, sponsors dropped, bankruptcy, IRS, lawsuit, all at once. Now I'm not embarrassed to say any of it. It is what it is. I went, Whoa, man, I was like on the outside, like what up on the inside? I was like panicking with fear. Like I got two kids. Where am I going to go? Where am I going to go? And crazy thing that you just said, reminded me of all this. I started going through old videos. I had to get rid of my house, go back to an apartment, the whole deal. That's tough when you make it from Kansas city to Beverly Hills on your own. Bottom line. I don't care what anyone's people go, Oh, you don't have to live in Beverly Hills. But guess what, homie? That happened, but I was an accomplishment. Yeah. And no one did it for me, but me. Right. So to answer your question, long version, I started, I started doing these, uh, uh, what is it? The, um, DV, the VHS to DVD. Oh, okay. So transferring everything. Thank God I did. Cause it opened my eyes back up to what I've done, who I am and where I've gotten. And at the time when I was going all through that, that BMX reminded me to get back on the horse. What? Everything that I'm doing. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. And so all the things that I've learned through writing, I applied to all those other things in life that are like no fun. But then when you let, let it go, like frozen, when you let it go, it's so easier, dude. And guess what? What's up, bro. And guess what? By the end of all that, and I don't mean to take it all deep and dark, but that's just me, dude. By the end of that, I realized that who got, what got me there and where it was going to get me out was right. And I'm like, I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to It's rad. It's beautiful. Well, yeah. I mean, I mean, like I didn't mean to divert the conversation into that, but you, you sparked something that said, did you learn the things you did through, through writing, uh, to apply, to apply what's out, dude, to apply all through life. And I'm just telling you like some of the hardest things I've faced. And I always go back to writing to get that feeling again. It's a trip. That's great. That's great. I don't know what it is. You know, one thing I wanted to, uh, close on, close this, uh, this, uh, conversation with, uh, what you brought up was little, did you know that the components to being, you know, so disciplined through BMX and living out your passion would help like be a life coach. Totally. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I'm cool with it, bro. I'm solely like, you said all this with finesse and a lot of people can't let go. Like, you know, someone nicks their car. It's like my car. It's like, well, what about your daughter? Yeah. You don't spend time with her. It's about your car. Oh, dude. Get a new one. You got to spend time with your kids. You know? Yeah. And from shows co-hosts, just good to see you. Listen, I want you to tell us how, uh, the story from and how Rick Thorne, I met Rick in the airport, right? Heathrow airport in London. Remember we met you in the airport and the bookstore and we just started fucking shooting the shit, dude. And we're like, fuck Rick Thorne, dude. No way. That's how we met. Guys are nuts. And then we started fucking shooting the shit, dude. And we're like, fuck Rick Thorne, dude. No way. And then we stayed friends forever. And Rick came back, had us on his TV show on Fox. Uh, yeah. Remember that? He came to Trudeau and like film the show and interview stuff. Dude, it was amazing, dude. Like we were psyched, dude. Like I was like, fuck, no way. I met Rick Thorne in the airport. By the way, you owe me for putting you on Fox, dude. I owe you big. I do owe you big. You don't owe me anything, dude. Just a high five. High fives. I got plenty of those. So you know what I'm excited about is this is the first Beverly Hills Sherman Oaks episode. We've haven't had a guest rep. That's tight. Yeah, let's do it, dude. I used to rock the El Torito on Ventura. Oh, I know. Yeah. I know where it is. It's the guitar center. Did you get the freaking, uh, fresh guacamole at your table? Table side, dude. But I would go there like, we'll get into those details, but I had to go there with a pretty gnarly crew. And one guy lived in Sherman Oaks and he, let's just say that he would just stay posted up with a Dodger jersey and like reading sports, like the sports page. Yeah. And throwing down money so the cooks would cook him stuff off the menu and he'd be there all day watching football. Wow. And so, so he was, he was like a baller. I mean, he's, you know, he's my friend, but he was just so like into sports. So I'd roll in there with him and it was just like the, you know, you're treated like a King. So that's my Sherman Oaks. Oh, he'd call you and go, yeah, you want to go to El Torito? Yeah. Yes. You want to go to El Torito? Yes. Yes. Pick me up. He has a lot of TV history. A ton of TV history. But film history. You're the dude at El Torito. No, you're you. Well, maybe. He does too. I don't know. I don't know. You know, we got, we got as far as his first sponsor and, and the, just mastering his craft of BMX. But like, what was your first pro sponsor where like the, all the manufacturers started giving you stuff and, and money? Like. Yeah. Where everybody started taking notice of you from that one sponsor. Oh, okay. Check this out. First you got the bike sponsor. Oh no, sorry. You got the bike shop sponsor. Right. So you buy a bike at discount and then come balling. Right. Then it wasn't like that. It was, our industry wasn't like that. Yeah. You know, I know DM é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é é Until The X Games The only way you made money At the time There was maybe Two or three dudes Maybe three That were making Like you heard So and so's making 30 grand You'd be like What? 30 grand? What? Right? But also the dude Was touring a lot So we made money Off of touring So it's kind of The phases of like Like bands Totally dude Just like punk rock bands Totally Like our bands Yeah You gotta play dude You know what I mean? No one It's true Can sell a record It's true It is And I have no problem With touring But the first time Love it I got on Hoffman Bikes In 1992 Yeah And I rode for his company For 10 years But the first six I didn't get paid a dime I did it free Whoa Because there was no money In the sport And you understood that though 92, 93, 94, 95 X Games 96, 97 X Games After that The last four years I made a salary So at that point I had rode 14 years Of my life Before I made a set salary My first paying sponsor Actually was A show A shoe company Called Airwalk Airwalk Nice Yep And that was around The lace savers on top Yeah that was around Like 93 or 4 or something They're paying me A couple hundred bucks a month And I was like sweet And they sent me to Australia With Tony Hawk On the Big Day Out Tour And I went from like state I was doing 500 state fair shows A year 500? Yeah No I'm not even kidding you I do 100 just in Dallas If you did a state fair Of 24 days Four shows a day There's 100 just in Dallas Oh my That's 100 under a month And guess how much I made a day 100 bucks For four shows a day $15 food money Honestly It was gnarly dude How much of a physical toll Did that take on you dude? I'm still pretty strong But I mean It's got to It's got to Doing 500 500 gigs a year dude If Just from a band's perspective I can't even imagine Doing 500 gigs a year And that'll That would My body would be destroyed I'd be destroyed Might be mentally just frazzled You know what I mean? You are Because you look over In the middle And you're like Do do do do do do do Yeah dude There's a first will And like The do do do do do do With a turkey leg Going What? Can you do a back flip? I was like shut up With a turkey leg I'm here for 100 shows Got it Got it with a funnel cake Oh no we used to make deals Throwing the ball In the goldfish bowl No we would hustle We'd say Hey everyone in the crowd Go get one of Bob's turkey legs After the show They're right behind us And then they'd give us Free turkey legs So we already knew How to hustle Hey man Whatever it takes right? Yeah Yeah So the first So to go back The first time I got paid a sponsor From a bike Was Let me do the math 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 1997 Wow And I started doing tricks In 82 You gotta understand Like In 1987 The sport peaked Like my best friend I told him earlier Is Dennis McCoy One year he wins a truck For overall pro 1988 He won a vision hip sack If that says anything And then the sport went Dark ages Well during the dark ages Me over here Was getting better And I became a pro During the dark ages So even though I was doing really well I was still Busting tables I did that for 7 years At Olive Garden Didn't have a car Rode my bike to work All the money I made Went to BMX Straight up I didn't have a girlfriend None of that Then I started Making a little money And then things changed Yeah But That's the deal So from 82 to 97 I didn't get paid A set salary It was If I didn't do shows Or bus tables I wouldn't make any money It was out of the passion Period That's the whole question That's what makes it so Cool Beautiful Yeah And that goes to answer Your question about Why I started Writing and then All that stuff I went to About the house And divorce And all that That doesn't matter It all goes back To that feeling Do you know how many Songs I freaking write Riding my bike Really With my headphones on You have it in your head When you're like So I feel There's not anything In the world man I feel like a little kid And I just like My mind's clear And I get a flow I stop I put it on my phone Keep pedaling I think of tunes When I'm driving So it's like I think all of us In this room You, Ephraim and I We're all passionate About our art And our form of expression Our outlets Music Our outlets Outlets This show And we have a lot Of things going on But let's talk about Let's be serious In this world We live in Money represents security Right You know It's gonna make things A lot easier for you Yep So when you received That first pro check Yeah That must have been A great feeling man Dude it was rad Amazing Because it was man Because at the time Well it wasn't so much From the BMX It was from the shoe sponsor Really Airwalk Yeah Wow Yeah Wow That's what I was saying Like the BMX industry There's a lot of components To BMX Compared to skateboard Okay Not saying that it's not Lucrative now But it's not as lucrative Because you have You have a lot of components You have wheels Tires How many accessories Do you have on a bike How many accessories Do you have on a skate Right Goosenecks Yeah How many places Do you have to ride BMX How many places Do you have to ride skate Right On down the line So even back then It was just like It was what it was Bottom line And so Airwalk Paid me 200 I think it was two Either two or 300 bucks I think it was 300 bucks A month And at the time I was renting a house In St. Louis For 300 bucks No way So they were paying your rent And I was freaked out dude How stoked were you on that I freaked out dude I was like Wow I had to bus tables And then I I started doing more shows I had that 300 bucks a month I didn't have to go back to busing And that's when I committed I'm like I'm done with that I'm not going back To busing tables dude I'm done That's seriously amazing Yeah Wow And then I got one tattoo I said I'm committed I got another tattoo Another one I said I ain't going back Keep tattooing I love it man So we're gonna take A music break Hey really quick Before the music break I have to And this is totally random What Okay In England There's this MC Who's pretty Respective famous MC He's called Rod Oslon Awesome He MC's for a DJ called Rusco Okay He is a BMX fanatic He's in the UK And I wanted to know If you'd give Rod Oslon A shout out dude Rod Oslon Yeah Oh Rod Oslon What up What up Hey give me some Thank you so much dude You got a BMX and MC At the same time There you go Is he a DJ You said He's an MC for Rusco Oh he's an MC Okay yeah Let's do a video dude Come on I wanna know If you'll teach me How to endo I'll hook you guys up Rod Rod I'm gonna connect you With Rick Thorne Let's do a BMX track son BMX Alright give us a call 800-893-9562 Talk to Rick Thorne Everyone here at Los Angeles needs to We're waiting for you We're gonna listen to Rick's band What's the name of the band It's just Rick Thorne It's Rick Thorne Alright you brought Five tracks Six tracks Five six tracks We're gonna let it all play Okay Oh can you Can you play the song Whoa Yeah first That's the single right Yeah I saw the video The video's killer Oh dude I shot this whole video On a GoPro by myself Love it Yeah It's really cool DIY Dude it's a good video We're gonna come back And recap all the music And talk about your favorite Spots in Beverly Hills Awesome and that's what happens You film your own video Boom When you give it all To Spouse Soul and Child Support Play the freaking track Do it Yeah! I'm not up to night And I'm feeling alright Gonna get it loose And I'll be uptight Good times all the time That's what it's about Gonna stand up Shout and let it out Whoa whoa Yeah yeah Whoa whoa Yeah yeah Throw all my problems Out the window Finally feels good to go With the flow All day everyday That's how it should be No more problems I'm gonna let it go I'm gonna let it go I'm gonna let it go I'm gonna let it go I'm gonna let it go I'm gonna let it go I'm gonna let it go I'm gonna let it go No more problems Waiting down on me I just wanna have fun And deal without the stress Why go through life In a second guess Once you feel It's how you feel Get it off your chest Take all your issues And put them to rest Whoa whoa Yeah yeah Whoa whoa Yeah yeah Now I'm rocking Rocking through the night Yeah Now I'm rocking Feel this right Yeah Now I'm rocking Rocking through the night Yeah Now it's my night And I'm feeling alright Gonna get it loose And I'll be all tight Good times All the time That's what it's about Gonna stand up Shout and let it out Whoa whoa Yeah yeah Whoa whoa Yeah yeah Whoa whoa Yeah yeah Whoa whoa Yeah yeah Whoa whoa Yeah yeah Whoa whoa Yeah yeah Whoa whoa Yeah yeah Whoa whoa Yeah yeah Whoa whoa Yeah yeah Whoa whoa Yeah é é é That's how it should be No more problems raining down on me I just wanna have fun and deal with all the stress Rockin' through life in a second guess What you feel, tell you feel, get it off your chest Take all your issues and put them to rest Now I can, I can do the magic Now I can feel, feel the fire Now I can, I can do the magic é é Yeah, yeah, whoa, whoa, yeah Cold, alone, frustrated Sitting by the phone Ugly, guilt, shame Anger, hatred Who's to blame? You're to blame This goes to the dad I never had I never had You selfish man You woman's man You back your badge And you never look back You left me hanging A vandal man Where'd you go? The dad I never had And where were you? To lend a helping hand And all the pain I've been through I can never forgive you And I'm ashamed to have The same name as you This goes to the dad I never had You selfish man You woman's man You back your badge And you never looked back You left me hanging A vandal man This goes to the dad I never had You selfish man You woman's man You back your badge And you never looked back You left me hanging A vandal man Where'd you go? I needin' some advice And where were you? My role model was? model of life. The only man that I could trust turned his back and he made her up to anger, blame, guilt, and shame. I was always lost. Where'd you go to teach me self-respect? And where were you? You've made me feel left. I'm embarrassed to say that I came from you. Cause all that you do, I'll never be like you. And I know that you never cared about me. And that's okay. But you gotta take this to your grave. You've walked away from your responsibilities. You're dead. When you lay your head to rest at night, just remember you got no parking right. Cause I know what they don't know. Since you's a coward, I got the scars to show. This don't seem the dead I've never had. You saw this man. You are this man. You set your back and you never look back. You left your boy hanging up in the mist. There was a time where I thought I needed you. But I never needed you. I made me. You did not. Close the door. I'm a get it. I'm a live it. I'm a bill it in a ink on the green in the domination. That's a massive win. There ain't nothing left, you got all those hands. I ain't gonna sit around and cry the blues. My situation can't improve. I'm gonna bounce out, I'm gonna stick a move. I'm gonna get what's mine. I just wanna rock and roll, I'm gonna waste no time. Because it is my time to shine. And you can't expect me to sit around while you try to make up your mind. I am O-U-G out, baby. Yeah, boy. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. I'm a kid, I'm a living, I'm a pinning. And I ain't gonna quit it in the domination. There's a master plan, there's something that you gotta understand. I've been waiting my whole entire life. I mean, how could you expect me to stand still? I can taste it, I gotta live it, I gotta be it because I want it. What am I gonna do if I don't do what I'm supposed to do? What do you expect me to sit back and see? I don't roll in the backseat. I drive, I'm at the drive. See, do you feel me? Do you understand me? I ain't about to slow down. Wanting and waiting. Negging and laying in. Let me to the point of no return. The time is now. I just got too much fire, too much love, too much heart for what I wanna be. And if you get my way, well, I mean this with all of my heart. Take this one to heart, baby. Take it to heart, baby. 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Sometimes you just wanna run away Don't know if you can go another day Might feel like all your hope is gone So jump forward, keep moving on Sometimes you just wanna run away Don't know if you can go another day Might feel like all your hope is gone So jump forward, keep moving on I know sometimes it can be hard Life is rough Don't give up Life is rough Don't you give up Hang on no matter what they say The sun will rise on a new day Life is the picture that you paint You're not alone even if you fall away Hang on no matter what they say The sun will rise on a new day Life is the picture that you paint You're not alone, you're not alone I know sometimes it can be hard Life is rough, love can give up Life is rough Love can give way to é Don't you ever give up I know sometimes it can be hard Life is rough And I give up Life is rough Sometimes you just run away Don't know if you can go on today Don't feel like all your hope is gone So just hold on, keep moving on Don't give up Don't you ever give up Let's go! 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I mean, things are happening. You're getting really romantic right now. You are. I feel sensitive just watching this bromance happen in front of me. You know, I'm just going to break it off right now, dude. I'm busy. I won't have any time. I take care of my kids. I mean, you know, it's not going to happen. But you're cool. We could be friends. That's amazing. It's not you. It's me. It's not you. It's me. Yeah. Nice to meet you. It's not you. It's me routine. I am. Hey, you ever get this one? Nice to meet you in a text. Cool. How you doing? Cool. A couple days go by. The third day comes up and they're like, hey, I'm putting together something. Is there a way you could help me with some of your sponsors? And you go, oh, I'd like to. I'm real busy with my kids. But I wish you the best of luck. And then you never hear from them again. Yeah. Red flag. Total red flag, dude. You want something. I hate that. I got nothing for you but a smile. Be wary of the people with needy eyes. Oh, yeah. I'm always like, yeah, I got nothing. I'm broke. No, you know what's rad? I'm like, I'm broke, man. You know what's rad? It's like when, like, you don't talk to someone. Like. You know, like, in a band for a long time. And then they're like, hey, can we be in your show? Oh, yeah. Now that you got it going and it's successful. Yeah. It's like, no. Absolutely not. Yeah. But the raddest thing is, like, when it's just a, I mean, not to, like, this, but when it's, like, a serious local band that hasn't gone anywhere and has nothing to offer. And it's just like, yeah, you know what? We're down to go on your show. It's like, cool. Yeah. Cool. I'm just telling you. Hey, man. I'm totally down. We got Tom Petty instead. Man, we'll get out of here. Maybe we'll make it through. So is Cypress Hill and AFI. Cool. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. So I have to tell you guys about something. Go ahead. You came from a great event right now. I did. And I have to apologize for being late, but I was late for a good reason. I was at a event. Don't apologize. We just talked about that. Exactly. Don't apologize. We did. No more self-guilt. Okay. So I came from a cancer charity event that was put on by Wendy Dio, Ronnie James Dio's wife. Sweet. And she worked really closely with my friend Dean Schachtel, and they put on this great big charity auction where they auctioned off guitars that were signed by James Hatfield, people like that. It was incredible. Awesome. Rob Halford. It was bitching. It was like this big banquet. It was at the Avalon. Awesome. All these tables, all these cool people. But what was really weird is I was smoking a joint with Jimmy Bain. I had to get to that. I mean, the bass player from- Rainbow. Rainbow. Yeah, Dio. This is from Rainbow and Dio. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And just this old cat just hanging out with me. He kept trying to smoke, man. I was like, whoa. Whoa. Here, here, here, here. Crazy, dude. Like real rock and rollers, dude. Not like- Not like today. We think we're rock and rollers, you know? Yeah. They're the OGs. They're the OGs. Yeah. This dude is like old. 58? Older than 58, dude. 68, dude. I know, dude. Maybe. Yeah. 64? Seriously. Yeah. It was so bizarre. Chilling the pain at that age, bro. Exactly. You know what I mean? But I would like to point out that Wendy Dio has done a lot of great things for the world. Awesome. And she's done a- she is largely responsible for a lot of the stuff that she's done. She's done a lot of stomach cancer research in our country. Wow. And because she loves her- loves Ronnie James Dio, you know? Wow. And through that love, she kept him alive through her charity and her endless work. And she raised enough money to get the government to finally recognize that there needed to be more research. Wow. Yeah. That's rad. And then they put in a bunch of money and now there's a facility and there's research. And so Google Wendy Dio, stand up and shout. Her charity is amazing. Awesome. And Ronnie James Dio is an amazing guy who helped a ton of people. He was selfless. I just wanted to get that out there and let you guys know where I came from because it was so positive. It was so cool. And Jimmy Bain said he wanted to come on the show. Do you know what that would be? No. No. Sorry for that. Yeah, exactly. No, you know what I mean? I mean, to have Jimmy Bain from Rainbow and Dio. Pretty cool. Do you know his pick technique? The way he plays bass with that P bass? Crazy. And like a guitar pick. Like, I mean, he's like the coolest pick bass player. Yeah. He's a crazy stuff. I think he'd be a good pick for the show. He's also a crazy star. He's a donor, apparently. You guys didn't get the joke. He'd be a good pick for the show. Yeah, that's right. Oh, my God. Shit. We need to say, I've told, see if you agree with me. I've told Eddie that we have a lack of sound effects. I need to have like a button when he'd say, I need the button with all the sounds. Ladies and gentlemen, Rick Thorne and I thought there'd be like this. See, we. And we'll do the background going. Hell yeah, bro. Well, there was a gong that you didn't hear. It was mixed out. Oh, gong. I've heard those my whole life. No, no, no. I mean, you know, hey, you know what? We're not like everybody else. We're doing intellectual talk radio. We're bringing, we're bringing Los Angeles to the forefront. And that's what we're going to talk about Beverly Hills. We are. But I'm going to tell you about one thing. I want to back up one second. You were talking about people that want to come on your show. Here's another scenario. You might know this one. And you too. You got the last sheet of plywood on the ramp. You got one row of screws left. You're down to the last screw. You're getting ready to put it in. And you hear, hey, bro, can we ride? And you look over. And it's all the dudes that said they'd have to. Help you the last two months. That didn't do shit. And you're like, oh, no. Down to the last screw almost every time. How many we got left, D? Two more. Oh, we're going to the last one. Hey, man, is the ramp done? Oh, what? Oh, you son of a. You're all, hey, fuck you. I'm the first guy that's going to ride this ramp. Yeah. I make them watch me, dude. You guys sit there and watch. Totally. Totally. Hey, tell us about the legendary foam pit that used to be. It was at your old pad, right? Yeah, that one. You used to launch into that. I did. You've seen those videos. Yeah. How deep was it? The foam pit's not that deep. It would probably be about six feet deep. Oh, that was it? Yeah. Well, because some are deeper. Like, the deeper you go, the harder you get. We found a technique that works pretty rad. Okay, let me say how we started. We first started jumping in the snow in Missouri and then the lake. Because lake jumping was like how we would learn tricks or go for tricks in the lake. That's crazy. But you could still get jacked. Still get jacked. Well, dude, hitting the water that hard. Oh, smacking your head. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Foam pits, the one I had in my backyard as a ramp house I used to have, what we did is we would make couch cushions. We'd find a bunch of couch cushions. Yeah. And those you could stand on and you wouldn't sink. Like a piece of cube foam. Yeah. If you put your hand on it, it's going to smash. Right. So like you go to some foam pits, it's real hard to get out and you need a rope and stuff. Right. Because you keep sinking. You keep getting out and it keeps sinking. But what we did is we would do a layer of couch cushions and then random little pieces of foam to where like you would land but you wouldn't sink. You would just kind of almost kind of bounce a little bit. But yeah, so it was way easier to climb up. But the only problem is we didn't cover it when it rained. It got all mildewy and... Oh, that's so nasty. And then the sun would hit it. Just stunk, huh? Yeah, the sun would hit those little cubes, and then they'd flake. So when you landed, you'd get all this flake stuff all over you. Oh, my God, dude. That's what happens, dude. The hood, yo. Keep it real. That's great, dude. We keep our foam pits real, kid. And then when you did MTV Cribs, you had the half pipe on top of your house. I did. Oh! Oh, holla. I was bowling. Oh! That's so rad, dude. Yeah, that's cool. So rad. How legendary is that? He won Cribs with a half pipe on the top of his house. Somebody had to do it. I mean, if someone else did it, it wouldn't have done it. Not even near as cool as I did it. Exactly. Okay, that's all I got to say. Too cool, man. It was pretty rad. Yeah. Now, you want to up the game on the next Cribs? Cribs and Cribs, if you want to do a sequel, let's do this. A foam pit on the roof, yo. Oh, dude, that'd be amazing. That's a big roof. I'm going to get a mega ramp. I'm going to buy a house big enough where we can do a mega ramp on the roof. I know. It's going to be a megalithic foam pit. That's amazing. As big as your pyramids. Whoa. There you go. I'm going to make my house a foam pit. Just living it. All right, man. So let's talk about your favorite place in Beverly Hills. Talking about- To eat? To eat. Okay. There's a place on Beverly Glen up top. It's down in Beverly- Bellard Deli. Huh? The Bellard Deli. Yeah. Is it really? Do you know that one? Yeah. They got the best chicken noodle soup on the planet. No way. You already went there? You've been there? Yeah. You know that little spot, that little shopping center right there? Yeah. I was talking to Kiss. Of course she's been there. Of course she's been there. You know everything. Kiss is always there every day. Dude, you know who else I saw there? It wasn't the Italian restaurant a couple of stores down. Clint frigging Eastwood, dude. What? I didn't even meet him. I don't get starstruck much. Clint Eastwood? Holy shit. That's Clint Eastwood. Bro, I was like- But I did eat at the deli one time. My daughter's about 18 months. It was me and the ex sitting, you know, whatever. She's over there. And the kid was here. I mean, she was sitting there. I'm cool, whatever. And then to get through the chairs, the tables is real thin, right? You have these little tables. And it was in a booth. And I was eating and I wasn't paying attention and I heard, 18 months, huh? And I was like looking down and I was like, Yippee-ki-yay, motherfucker. What? No way. I look up and it's Bruce Willis. Like, he's right there where your camera thing is. And I was like, yeah, 18 months. How did you guess? He's like, he goes, yeah, like $3. And they're like, hi. And I was like, oh, yeah, cool, yeah. Nice to meet you. And then it was quiet at our table and I was eating and I just wanted to go, look, dude, die hard for me. Okay, check it out. I've been a big fan of yours forever. Okay, I could be like the tattoo dude that's on your side, but he thinks not. I had this whole skit in my head, but I didn't do it. When I saw Clint Eastwood, I was like, I ain't saying shit. He'll probably shoot me. Totally. Clint Eastwood's hard, dude. Clint Eastwood's hard. Clint Eastwood's hard. Clint Eastwood's hard. Clint Eastwood's hard. A Gran Torino, you're asking? A second. God, I love Clint Eastwood. So do I. He just did that Jersey Boys movie. Was he in that? He directed it. He directed it. Oh, okay. And you know what was a great movie? Gran Torino. I know. That's why I said Gran Torino. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He wore Gran Torino. I mean, the whole storyline about how things take patience and perseverance, how when he pulled that little Asian kid under his wing and it was just like, you see all these tools, man? Just go buy them overnight. This is an accumulation. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to float this out there. I don't want to get my ass kicked by fucking Clint Eastwood, but how cool would it be to get your ass kicked by Clint Eastwood? Yo, Clint Eastwood, what happened to you, dude? Clint Eastwood fucking fucked me up, man. I just saw him at the deli and he started punching me in the face and I was on the ground and he was like, oh, that's amazing. You're like, this fucking guy made my day. He always said he would. Yeah, he did. He made my day. What would be cooler? I'll be back or who made my day? Come on. Clint Eastwood is way better than Schwarzenegger. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Schwarzenegger, boo. I'll be back doesn't hold no water, man. Huh? I'll be back doesn't hold no water. Not to like. Not anything. I can't hold a candle to fucking make my day. You know, make my day. Come on. Go ahead. You feel lucky, punk. Come on, right? Dirty Harry, come on. Dude, Dirty Harry 4 had Guns N' Roses in it. Did it? Slash, Duff, all the dudes are on the boat. They're like the weird rocker like thugs, like on the, there's like a scene on the boat. See, Arnold's trying to steal his stuff because they also had that song in Terminator 3. Oh, that's right. See? Arnold just can't compare to Clint, dude. Whatever, Arnold. Keep trying, keep trying. Whatever, Arnold. Be a governor, whatever. Stay true to your roots, Clint. You're my dog, Mr. Eastwood. You're my boy, Clint. My boy, Blue. Outlaw Jesse Wells. You want to go there? Yeah. You want to go to all those Westerns? What, what? Yes. What? Clint Eastwood is. Oh, don't yell at me. Chatsworth, California. That's where all the Disney Westerns were filmed. John Wayne. Lancaster. Lancaster. A lot of Westerns filmed in Lancaster. A lot of Vivid Films were filmed out there. A lot of Vivid Films were filmed in Van Nuys and Chatsworth. Wow. No wonder a lot of those trees look familiar. Anyways. So back to Clint Eastwood. I'm just kidding. I'm a good kid. I'm a good kid. What do you have coming up, man? What's going on with you right now? What's coming out? What's new? New video? Let's do that at the end. We're trying to see on course with. Oh, my favorite spots? Yeah, yeah. We're talking about the favorite spots. Oh, that's right. Okay. I'm still stuck on your new video. It's all good. Okay. Favorite spot in Beverly Hills Park wise? Yeah. Do you ever see the Andy Griffith show? Yeah. Yeah. I know where they filmed that. Really? It's a cool little duck pond. Little place in between cold water. And if you go up cold water by Coldwater Park and go up into the hills, it's where, you know, do you know where, do you know where Coldwater Canyon is? Absolutely. And the tree people? No. You know a little place with tree people? No. It's like, it's like where cold, like to where you can keep going down cold water or stay on Mulholland. You know where you're at? Like say you're going down Mulholland and you can go this way to go down cold water. Yep. You know, cause cold water kind of breaks off. It goes up, then it go along Mulholland and then go back down. Well, right where it breaks. If you go into that neighborhood and go straight down, there's a little park. They have a sick duck pond with turtles. Perfect for kids. And it's a little lake. And it looks like you're freaking in like there's pine trees and stuff. It doesn't look anything like California. It's a tucked away little park. It's rad. And I have kids, so I take my kids there and we feed the ducks. That's amazing. Not supposed to, but you know, things happen. So it's a place where you could like take the family, roam around, see the ducks, see some wildlife. Yeah. And it's cool cause it's the beginning of Andy Griffin, dude. Yeah. Yeah. He's walking and he's kicking his rocks. That was Beverly Hills. Yeah. That's crazy. Dude, this little park though, you would never guess. That's some crazy LA history. No, there's no palm trees and stuff. They're huge pine trees. It looks like you're in like the Ozarks. It's a trip. It's a trip out, dude. It's like a whole nother planet and that little area. So that'd be my favorite park. That's cool. That's one of the best things I've heard yet from a guest when they're talking about LA spots. Dude, Andy Griffith Park, the intro. Yeah. When he's cruising down that little street and you could drive around the lake, but here's a little park. Here's a little fact. You have to stop all the way to the stop sign because some moron out there put it to where you could put a camera on a stop sign. And if you run it, it'll flash and give you a ticket. No way. Yeah, dude. That's so lame. I'm going to go over there and spray paint the- I know. Yeah. And how do I know? Because moi got a ticket. You got a camera ticket for the stop sign? I did the California Roll stop sign. Yeah. Yeah. The California Roll. I'm going to hurry, dude. I got sushi. I'm out of here. I'm pretty good at the California Roll. California Roll. Yeah, I roll right through everyone, dude. Right through every stop light, stop sign, down stop. Favorite what else in Beverly Hills? I want to know if there's Mexican food in Beverly Hills. No. None. No. Zero. I mean, nothing that like, no. It just doesn't happen. No, because the thing in Beverly Hills is like, there's not a whole lot of businesses there. Sure. You know, you have to like- Keep everybody out. Yeah, like Beverly Hills Hotel, Bel Air Hotel, but that's in Bel Air. But like, from the Beverly Hills Hotel, if you go up to Mulholland, there's like, there's like maybe, there's nothing. Oh, at Beverly Glen, there's like a little deli market, but not until you get up to that little shopping center. So there's not really anything there to go to. I mean, there's some things, but not much. So when I lived in the Hills, it was cool. But to go do things, you'd always go to Valley, you'd come over to Hollywood. So I feel like I'm a lot Hollywood Sherman Oaks. You know, that whole- That whole path of like, Hollywood, Beverly Hills, Sherman Oaks. Every day, I'm in those three cities. And usually now, I'm just passing through Beverly Hills. Now, what about bike shops? You ever go to- I mean, I know you're fully pro-sponsored and stuff. Was there any bike shops when you need to buy anything? Oh, there's one on Ventura, but I don't know the name of it, but I only go get tubes because they don't have anything there that I could like, use. It's like, it's all mountain bike, road bike stuff. Right. It's not BMX. You know, I go in there, I go, I want a tube, and that's about it. But I get a patch kit, dude. I'm like, I roached that. Because here's the deal. You patch a tube. Choose like seven bucks, patch kit, you can just keep patching your tube. It's easier. You don't have to take off your rim. It's just like, whatever. That's awesome. Unless you have a blowout. Right. So, that's easy. So, what about live venues to see bands or play? Where does Rick Thorne like to go see bands and like, what venues do you like to play? I like to go to the Roxy. I like to play the Roxy because I think it's awesome, landmark. And like, so many people there. I play Loaded. I like going to Loaded. Loaded's rad. And that's like, that's like one of the few places that's left for punk bands that you don't have to pay to play. You know? It's like a real venue. It's like, they don't make bands sell tickets. LA's got, it's pretty bad. Yeah. Right now, the venue, there's a venue crisis, I think, in LA. More than ever. Yeah. There's some great venues, but there's some not great venues. Yeah. But I like, I like Nick Adler and I like those guys up there a lot at the Roxy a lot. Yeah. They're real nice to me. And I just like going in the Roxy, I just get like a nostalgia, like Bob Marley played that freaking stage. You know what I mean? I'm just like. It's amazing. I like it there. The Viper's cool. The sound is killer at the Viper Room. And you know, too. Yeah. I've played with you at the Viper Room. Yeah. I did play with you at the Viper Room, dude. That's cool. Yeah. That's awesome. So I would say there, that's in Hollywood. I mean, there's places in the Valley, but I always tend to go more into the Hollywood side. But there are some places in the Valley that are cool, but they're more like sports bars and stuff. Right. They don't really have a club feel. They're like a venue. Some do. Some do. I mean, there are some, but you know. Not as many. Let's go back into some Rick Thorne nostalgic. Nostalgia. I'm down. Let's go. All right. Let's talk about the first contest, pro contest you ever won. Where was it and what year? Well, I didn't win a lot of contests. I'm just going to put it out there. Don't get mad at me. I placed. I never won at X Games. I thought you did. No. I've been in nine X Games. I always made the cut. Yep. I always made top 10. Nine X Games. And the first contest I won was the first New Zealand X Games. I won vert. No way. Yeah. But as an amateur, I won everything. And then when I turned pro, I'm like, I'm going against Matt Hoffman, dude. I'm already second place. Wow. I mean, Matt Hoffman's, you know what I mean? I'm like, oh, this is going to make me better. But dude, Matt's just power, man, you know? And so I was the guy that was never, and the reason why I've had that longevity, I think, wasn't because. Because I didn't ride good or not win. Because there'd be times where I'd get top three or whatever, but never. Not to say I did once. I got first in New Zealand, which sounds kind of rigged. Like when that dude was in a breakfast club and they're like, you're not a virgin. You're a virgin. I got a girlfriend in Arizona. I got a girlfriend in Niagara Falls. Or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. I won the X Games in New Zealand. You know what I mean? Like you're full of shame. Like, man, I have a gold record in Canada. Yeah. Right. Oh, yeah. There you go. You know, I have a gold record in Guam. Yeah. Well. Well, what? Can you name one person? You know what I mean? Like, yeah. It's the same thing as. How many records is a gold record in Canada? 20,000. That's a lot of records, dude. But in the major label scale, that's still like. It's 500,000 here. Yeah. I think it is. It's still 500,000. Yeah. Did they change it yet? No. It's not a sliding scale no more. It's not a change. No one buys records. It's not a sliding scale no more. They've got to change it. Singles. It's crazy. Gold singles. Yeah. Just start making pop songs and sell singles, dude. I'm down, dude. I'm so down. Let's do it. We're starting a pop band. Three really old dudes. A couple of us. We could do it, bro. We could do it. You do your thing and, you know, we'll fucking be like. We could be like the Beastie Boys, but like old ass boys. Yeah. The oldie boys. Yeah. The oldie boys. I'm crafty. Am I too old to start my rap career? Yeah. No. You're OG, man. Not at all, dude. Let's do it right now. Let's practice the Beastie Boys shit. Here's a little story I got to tell. About three old dudes. They're old as hell. There you go. Yeah. That's great. One's a manic Hispanic. The other can rap. And the other guy, he just likes to talk shit. Anyways. No, but the first time I, for me, what I was going to say about my style, it was always like, I gave it my all and I was more of an entertainer. And a lot of people don't really know this. I made a lot of the money that I made from the entertainment industry. It wasn't, it was like grind, you grind hardcore touring with bikes. But when I got on television and started hosting television shows, I was like, I'm going to I got more sponsors because I was getting logos out there. But I wasn't a puppet with like just putting a logo on because I was an authentic athlete, you know, or a pro. So a lot of the money I came from like movies and radio and TV, that was where I was getting real big bulks of money. You were in Triple X. I was. And Paul Blart. Did you ever see Paul Blart? Yeah, yeah. Mall Cop. Mall Cop. And they're playing it like crazy. With Mike V. Yep. With Mike V. So cool. And we're both getting residual checks right now. I love it. I love that scene when he goes in there and he's playing video games. And he's like, I'm going to play a video game. And Detroit Rock City comes on. That was perfect for Mike. Dude, Mike's rad. I love Mike V. Mike's a fast dude. So what parts were you on in Paul Blart Mall Cop? Paul Blart was when we were in the mall chasing him. Right. Yeah, one of the bikes, right? And then we were chasing him around. That was all of my scenes were in the mall. Everything we shot, all of us was pretty much in the mall. What mall was that again? Burlington Mall. Burlington, Vermont? Vermont, yeah. Burlington, Vermont. No way. We stayed in Boston the whole time. Wow. I was there like six weeks or seven weeks. I don't know. That's crazy. But then I was in Rainforest Cafe where he took me out on a wire. I got took out like a total bitch. Like, I just walked by. I'm looking around. He just grabs me and throws me and chokes me out. I'm like, really? What? I didn't get a gun or a knife or anything. That's it. I couldn't even like do some jujitsu shit or something. You know what I mean? Like, all this hardcore BMX just went right down the tubes, bro. But it paid me good. That's sick. What else was there? I'm kidding. I was honored to do it. I'm just talking. You're stoked, man. You're stoked. I'm super stoked. It's on Nickelodeon like crazy right now. I'm going to get a check. That's amazing, man. It's going to go to spousal support. So, next question. Dude, that's great. Fuck. What Nickelodeon? How many more years of this I got to do? What's that? So, what show on Nickelodeon are you on? No, I'm not on a show. They're just showing Paul Blart a lot. They're showing Paul Blart a lot. Oh, yeah. On Nick at Night? Then put it on Comedy Central and then put it back on NBC. Yeah, let's go. Come on. Keep it going. Keep it going. Keep it going. Keep it going. Keep it going, right? Yeah. If they do a second one, me and Mike got to be in it. Oh, you need to be in part 12. Yeah. Dude. I need to retire the bad guy and become actually the mall cop. Totally. We used to run from those dudes. And I told that in an interview and then we were chasing one in the movie. It was kind of cool. Oh, it's totally there. Oh, we'd go in the mall. Revenge. You guys ready to ride through the mall? And we'd ride through the mall. The brigade. How much fun was that, by the way? And then the dude. Oh, it was badass. Best. It was a real mall. That we rode through? Yeah. Yeah, in the movie. We were kids. Oh, you actually rode through the mall when you were kids? Yeah, we met. That's where the arcade was. And we were like, hey, someone got a wild hair up their ass. Like, hey, let's ride through the mall. And we're like, all of us are like, yeah, Brad. So we rode through the mall just to have security chases. We just wanted to get chased. What video game did you come out in? Negative Attention. Huh? That's great. What video game did you come out in? Matt Hoffman 1 and 2 and Tony Hawk 3 and Tony Hawk American Wasteland. Dude, that's crazy. Yeah. Four different video games. Not one. Dude, I heard four games. Four games. Do you want to hear a rad story? Yeah, let's hear it. Yes, I do want to hear a rad. Yes, we do. Hey, let's get McRad. Okay, here's a rad story. Tony, Matt Hoffman 3 was going to come out. They sent out their contracts. Each game went up. Each signing check went up. Yeah. Up, up. It tripled. So they sent me my check. I get checks like that, dude. I don't care if it's for 25 bucks. I go straight to the bank. Yeah. So to this day, I'm like, I'm going to the bank. I went to the bank right away. A couple, two, three days later, they call me and they go, hey, did you happen to cash your check? Did you cash your check? And I was like, yeah, man, thanks. I'm stoked on the game. They're like, well, consider that a bonus. And I was like, what do you mean? He goes, we're not doing the game. I'm like, well, I'm not giving the money back. I already cashed it. They're like, yeah, well, okay. What? It was only for about 30 grand. Don't worry about it. Have a nice day. Oh, that's what I'm saying. That rules, dude. So next thing I know, half the dudes that are in the game are calling me, did you cash your check? Did you cash your check? I said, hell yeah, I cashed my check. I went right to the bank, bought a truck. No way. I went to the bank, from the bank, I went and bought a truck, and I gave it to my mom. Holla at your boys. That's awesome. Yeah. That's killer. I love it. And all the rest went to spousal support. Next question. That's fine, man. At least you're following through on your obligations. I know, dude. You know, I'm just trying to make fun of the situation. Yeah, no, that's awesome. Oh, yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. I don't have a problem with it. It's just money. Comes and goes. My thing is, is that if you have more bills, then make more money. Work less, make more. Work smarter, not harder. Isn't that how the rich people are? The rich people do it? They work less, they make more? You work smarter, not harder. Right. So do they feel like a different way about money? Like, do they panic when they spend it, or feel weird, or feel guilty when they spend it, or they're just like, it's okay to let it go to come back? I've been practicing that. Right. So I went to the kill loss. You aren't letting go. Right. And I got extra cheese on my burrito. So I hope it comes back. Yo, you put double steak on that shit. Hey, so he rolled in with his bike, man. So what kind of setup do you got? That's what's up. I'm sorry. Let's talk about the bike. Let's give the specs on that to all the listeners. Okay. I have a Diamondback frame, Ben Huckey signature model. Yeah. I have demolition forks, and demolition bars, and demolition pedals. And I have, what kind of grips do I got? Demolition, no, the grips, I'm trying to think here. I have Dicom brakes. I have a Rogue Status old school seat they collabed on. A Skyway Graphite Tough from 1988. Holler, it's your boy. Holler, it's your boy. Some pegs. I got profile cranks. What kind of sprocket? I forgot my sprocket. I got a really old rim on the back, but I got demolition pegs in the front and back. I run four pegs and brakes. Some dudes look down upon it, but I really don't care what they think. Because I started riding before you were born, before your dad was born. Love it. Love it. Don't tell me I can't have four pegs, you little 16-year-old. How about that too? I'll tell you you're allowed to ride. Sit down and shut up. Next. If a dude my age collars down to a 16-year-old complaining about pegs, you are not a man yet. Yeah. Don't be angry. You're still a little punk. Just tell him, don't worry about it. This 16-year-old told me I had four pegs and brakes. I'm going to cry. Shut up. I know. If you're a 44-year-old and a 16-year-old is checking you at a skate park. Oh, they do it. But see, I've been riding. They try. They try. Right. I've been riding 32 years. So do the math. I've probably been riding longer than him and his dad's been alive. You know what I mean? I'm like, if your dad had you when you were 20 and you're 18, I'm older than, I've been riding alive longer than you. Shut up. I'm breaking the mold of like, I ain't taking anybody's shit. I got a shadow chain too. I just got that. It's dope. Nice. It's a half-length chain. It's dope, dude. So what's the skate park? I mean, I say skate park. It's okay. We still do too. Yeah. I don't grow up calling them skate parks. So what's your favorite park in LA, period? Man, there's so many, dude. So many skate parks. I find myself riding Santa Monica a lot. The Cove. The Cove. The Cove. Because it has a combination. It has a combination more of like transition, spine. Bike riders like spines, you know? And they have a deep bowl and they have wedges too. So some of the parks are real, like real small for bikes. They're kind of like real, real, like watered down a little bit. Too confined. Well, it's cool to ride them, but sometimes it's like, you know, and some places don't let bikes, you know? Yeah. Which is whack, which is, I'm always a punk. I've been a punk against that forever. Like, when are you going to tell me I can and can't ride? But here's the reason why. Bike riders need to get together and become unified. Like skateboarding did. Skateboarders got them freaking skateboards. Skateboarders fought for what they had. They did. And the bike riders at times would trail along and go, oh, we need someone to save us. Oh, then when someone like me gets bigger in the sport, then everybody wants to attack you. No, they attack me. No, they don't support you. They didn't support me at all. They attack you. They attacked me. You're like this moving target, right? Because I was different. But that's the whole reason I started riding. It was different. But see, I had success. Cribs, this, that, the other. Right. And they go, oh, he's making all this money, but I'm doing 10 jobs, dude. And you're doing tricks at home and you're not even competing. That's why you're succeeding because you're doing so many things. You're like getting good in your little scene that no one else knows you and you think you're badass. Then step up your game to the X games like I did. I did nine of them or shut up. Bottom line. And it took me a long time because I got real hurt by my industry. I took it real personal because I was there from the beginning and I felt like it needed to show me more respect. Right. Bottom line. And so I kept my head up. This is all part of what led the, the, the beginning of what I went through for about three years. Okay. And the gradual like downward spiral things were going, but you would never see if you've seen me. No. But what was going on in my personal life and in the industry, felt very isolated at one time because I got real big in the sport. I was doing a lot of big things, but it wasn't, it was offered to me because why? Because I'm good at what I do. And if you're good at what you do, I moved from Missouri, dude. I bussed tables. I rode my bike to work. Like, so I'm on cribs. I've earned it. But, but people don't know that. They only see on the outside and they go, that dude sucks. They think you disappeared there out of thin air. Right. And they do have bands too. Think about bands. Oh, totally. Like, dude, he's blowing up, man. What's the formula? What's the formula? Well, how about when he, okay, come on. Okay. Let's talk about a band that people talk about. There's no magic formula. There's no science. It's just, you get what you put in. Just be. Yeah. Exactly. And, and can you be in the moment? Truly. Yeah. Truly. It's hard to be sometimes. Do what you love, man. And you know what? A band that people would talk a lot of smack on was The Offspring when they blew up. They, they were around 12 years before they were, 12 years and what? Four records? Three records? They put in time, man. They really did. They were in a van. You know what I mean? They were a real band. They did it. I mean, they were around 12 years before they were on camera. It's crazy. Aren't they playing coming up? And Dexter can sing his ass off, dude. He sings so good. They're great. And they're great. His voice is so high. It is. Dude, it's crazy, right? But the thing is, it comes with, okay. How do you sing that high? I can't sing that high. Me neither. Not even if you grab my balls, I can't sing that. Totally, dude. Here's the deal. I interviewed Vin Diesel a long time ago. This is an example. And I'm not taking it, it's on the same path. You guys were in a movie together. Right. He put me in the movie. Okay. Because I interviewed him and he liked me and he wanted me in the movie. I had zero acting skill and I just went for it. Point is, is that he got rich just making 20 million a movie. All of a sudden, he's all these bad things to people. It's all the things that people feel like they think they should be. It's jealousy. It's one of the worst things in the planet. It's one of the worst things. It is. It's one of the worst things to destroy a human being. If you're jealous or people are jealous upon you, it's the worst thing. Because I went through that phase, dude. Were you jealous of others or people were jealous of you? Oh, yeah. Oh, no. I was jealous of others because I felt like the rug got pulled out from underneath me. And all I was doing was my job with some certain sponsors that dropped me for no apparent reason. Then all of a sudden, the economy and this and that didn't help any things. But the point is, is that the way I became jealous of certain individuals that I toured with or that I had known. And I felt like I was as good as they were. And why wasn't my phone ringing anymore? And, you know, it's all the Hollywood true story shit you hear. And I had to check myself real quick. But it took me about six months or so. At least. Or not longer. So it took time just to repair that. Right. And what I was projecting was exactly what I was getting back. Nobody was calling me. My phone wasn't ringing. I wasn't getting jobs. I'm not sitting here right now doing an interview on the radio. My vibration changed. Right. And so the jealousy, I went through that. I mean, I've been the hater. I've been the hated. I have. I'll tell you right now. Everything that I say is just out of experience of me. Not about preachy about what you. Because I Instagram things and people go preach, brother. I was like, I'm not a preacher. Just a messenger. Like, I don't speak in a place for things I don't have experience in. So for me, I know that jealousy is one of the worst things in the world because it just eats your soul and just gets worse and worse and worse. It gets worse and worse. And you hang on to it. And you become like this and that. And I had to like, I seriously reprogram my whole everything because I know I need. The bottom line is I needed my spirit back. Bottom line. And and I that person that got me where I was not that person that I became. Not that I was a horrible person or anything. But it was just like, you know, it's just sign of the times. The entertainment industry. You know, you got to you got to do more than one thing, you know, and handle biz. And the reason I brought that up is people hate people when they're famous. Right. And. Or have success of something. And I like Vin Diesel. He never did anything wrong to me. But people probably go, he makes 20 grand a movie or 20 million a movie. He sucks. Like whatever. When really it's hard for people to be happy when they have so much less. I want everyone to make 20 million a movie. I'd be stoked for dudes. You know what? I remember. I remember. I'd get everyone extra cheese. Right. Growing up. Growing up. Extra cheese for everyone. Listen, listen, listen. Growing up, you know, I looked up to my uncle. He was this long haired shredder guitarist and he would never give me the time of day. Right. It's like this is a dick. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Now I'd be like, you know, teach me. He's like, no. And then I remember when I got an endorsement with ESP, I had like seven lefty vipers. That's so sick. This is like 2002. Yeah. When we're on that Warped Tour with the Criterion. Yeah. Yeah. I remember. And I remember like he came over to my house and I was like, I was like, dude, look, I got this endorsement with ESP. And he goes, oh. That's it. That was it. Seven. Oh, man. Seven hundred dollar guitars. And he was just so bummed. Like, just like, I'm like, wow. Wow, dude. He's fucking bummed. It's hard for people, you know. And he lives at home with his mom. And doesn't do shit. Oh, man. Well. But you know what? The deal is, is you get what you put out. Yeah. It's beyond karma. It's vibration, which is a lot more. And it's more deeper than works. Real quick. Some people think that what we do doesn't work, right? Like, I, trust me, I've dealt with that. Oh. Now, here's the deal. Is, is. People think that you have to work a shitty job to, like, barely get by. And then your reward is work. Therefore, that's work. Right. But as artists, they get it twisted because they don't. It's, it's easy for you and this and that. And it's, it's very hard for people not to be jealous. Because they're putting in all this work. And they're doing something they don't like to get little money. Because that's what society tells you. Work hard. Do something you don't like to do. And then you get your reward. You're making a living. Right. And people fall for that and into that, you know. And people. Little artists and things that we do. It's, they get jealous on daily. You got to be careful who you, how you say things. And who you say it to. And shit sucks. Because sometimes you're like. Especially if you're in a relationship. You have to detune it. Oh, man. I'm going to go to Australia for two weeks. And no way. We're going to play music and party and shit. We're going to stay there. And she's going to be like. Oh. You got to be like. Oh, I don't really want to go. And then if you downplay it. Well, are you downplaying it? Dude. I'll tell you what. Make up your mind. I'll tell you what. Like. You got to be careful. I totally understand that. Because, you know. I've been on. We've all toured forever. And. I know. I saw you on Warped Tour, dude. I was there in 2002. So rare. We were all there. I did 14 of those tours. Keep going. Keep going. But. The thing is. You know. You do have all these great times. You have all this crazy stuff. But. When you're on the phone with somebody. Calling home. You know. Calling the girl. Like. You're not going to talk about. All the shitty stuff. You're excited. Hey. I want to share this with you. Hey. Check it out. We did this. And this. And this. And I met so and so. And we drank like fucking 40 beers. But you don't talk about. Yeah. And then. I was totally sick. Sick the next day. It was fucking freezing. I was in the snow. I caught a cold. I lost my voice. And I drove 24 hours to get to the show. You leave that out. Right. But then. You know what I mean? Yeah. You leave those things out. But then. But then. When you talk about too much stoked shit. They're just like. Well fuck this motherfucker. He's out there fucking. She doesn't know that you did that 20 hour drive. To get to the fucking show. Well this motherfucker is just drinking 20 fucking beers a night. What the fuck did it do? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? So you have to leave out the. So then the conversation turns into. What's going on? Nothing. Yeah. It was okay. It's cool. The show was whatever. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like. Are there girls there? Oh no. I didn't really hang out. No. I'm in an all male warp tour right now. Yeah. Exactly. All male warp tour. It's true. 40 and up. Sold out Australian. All male warp tour. Yeah. Yeah. 40 and up. All male warp tour. I'm not coming home. My band is on the blue oyster bar stage. You're the blue oyster bar. Police. The blue oyster bar stage. I'm playing the anvil stage later. You're free dude. No. But you got to find a balance. If you get too negative and say. Oh. There's. Everything sucks. It's like. Oh. What are you doing? You can be here with me. It's like. I'm just better off just to be single at this point in my life. I got kids. I'm over it. I'm focused like a Jedi dro. I'm telling you. I love it because you're saying. You used the word detune yourself. Mm. Like. Yeah. Yeah. Like. It took six months to kind of step back and retune yourself. Oh. If not longer. Oh yeah. Yeah. And then it was to be like. You know. And people would know me. They knew. My. My good buddies knew. Because. It's a pattern. Negativity. Sorry for spitting dude. That happens. Negativity is such a pattern. It becomes a habit. Right. But it's like. If you could. If you could be negative about something so easily. Why is it so hard to be positive about something so easily? Does that mean that. That means work. Or whatever. It's actually less work. To be positive than it is negative. Right. Work smarter not harder. Yeah. And I wrote this thing that said. You're negative. Negativity is a waste of your own time. Because at the end of the day. All the hate stuff online and stuff. You guys are wasting your own time. You could be writing a song. You could be learning a trick. You could be doing something special for your chick. Your dude. Or whatever. But you're going to take the time. To read something. To. To. To put it online. Just anything. It's a waste of your own time. So when you look at like. I'm kind of going everywhere. But when you look at like. Haters that do that stuff. I'm sure we've all faced that. It's like. It's funny. Because they're wasting their own time. Completely. Completely. Don't you have. Anything else to do? Wow. That's weird. Right. And they're not the only. And you're not the only one they're doing it to. Right. They're going to do it to 50 other people. So they just spend two hours of just negative thoughts. And then they wonder why. I feel bad for them. Well then they wonder why nothing positive is happening to them. Because what you're sending out is negative. Yeah. Jealousy. Negative. Jealousy. Negative. And then go. What happened for me? Well trust me. I went through it. I did all that. I did it. I didn't go online and talk shit or anything. But I mean. In my mind. Those thoughts. In my mind. I was like. I was in par bar bitch. We become. I didn't cram. What? What? We become our thoughts. We do. We become our thoughts. So if I think right now I'm going to become a pineapple. Watch. No you do though. I'm kidding. But you do. You become your thoughts. You do. And when shit goes wrong. And you keep replaying things in your head. Like when someone says something that rubbed you the wrong way. You just. You keep replaying that in your head. It just like. Just looms over you. Yeah. And it brings your frequency down. It's just like. It's like this little black cloud. And then like. People could sense it. Yeah. Like this dude's like tripping. Yeah. Well the last time I was rubbed the wrong way. She's. I kicked her out. No. No. She's got to let you. No I'm just kidding. The pooch. No but it's true. In my song. You're already there. The video we're doing. Yeah. Let's talk about that video. Yeah. I was all hooked on it. I really liked the first video. It goes. Negative thoughts. Get negative results. Negative thoughts. Equal negative results. So we're talking about this. That's what that song's about. It's a positive vibration. But I didn't know I wrote it in a positive vibration. I was just writing what I felt at the time. That's great. I wasn't in the frame of mind I am now. And the crazy thing is. Is I started to look at all my tattoos. And the songs I write. And I wasn't living it. What I mean was. It's like yeah. I got all these positive words. But then I'm sitting here in the hills. Getting jealous of people. Yeah. And not being determined. And all these things that I have tattooed on me. And never give up. And in my gut. I felt like. Big. Like weight. That I'd given up. And. And then I'd write positive songs. But. I wasn't really like living it. It was like I wanted it. But I was afraid to accept. What was happening in your life. Right. Right. So once I bridged that gap. I'm like dude. Yeah. Let's pin it. You know. And like really. Not to say that it wasn't in me. I just didn't identify with it. Yeah. Does that make sense? Complete sense. Absolutely. Because some tattoos I got tattooed on me. I felt like I had to learn the hard way. With certain things. Like respect. I used to be super bad at the mouth. I'll tell you what. Like. Super bad. Oh yeah. I wish someone would have smacked me as a kid. I really do. So. Like I never got spanked for anything. I was a little smart ass. I got in a lot of trouble because of it on the street. A lot. A lot of situations where someone would have just spanked my ass a few times. I was like okay. I get it. Wow. But. At the time. I didn't have that father figure there to do that. Right. So I just get it. You know. Figure I can just. Whatever I want. And not think. And react. And then that leads to like. You know. A whole nother. So now that I have children. I tell them. Okay. You have. You have anger. It's okay. It's how you use it dude. You know. Like. To tell them like. Channel it into something positive. Yeah. And let them know like. I mean. I discipline my kids. To the level. To be. That's appropriate for them. To understand. That like. Have I spanked them before? A couple times. But not many. I didn't have to do it much. With your kids. Oh no. You just. A couple times. They'll never do it again. Then they know what spanking is. And then they just don't. You know. That's how it works for me. And my kids are very cool. But I wish. I would have had that. As a kid. Cause I just kept getting in trouble. Trouble. Over and over and over again. I like the way we talk. But that's why you're a good dad. I'm a great dad. Yeah. You want to give them what you didn't have. Yeah. Exactly. But I ain't giving them my money. Screw that dude. That money's mine baby. You better be careful. If you have kids dude. Cause you got that kid look in you right now. Oh. I don't have kids. I don't have kids. I don't have kids. Okay. No. You have kids. You have kids right? No I don't. Oh okay. They had five or six kids. Yeah right. You'll have them one day. You'll see what I'm talking about. Maybe. Maybe not. Hey you never know. They're sweet. They're good ride offs. Dude that's amazing. What did I say? I just came out. Sorry. Forgive me. Dude that's great. The wife was too. But I can't ride her off anymore. Oh. I kind of can. I like to joke about it. I like to joke about it. You gotta have a good sense of humor about things. That's what they came out in Adam. Oh hey Adam. Oh hey. Rick. Huh? Before I forget. What? We need to let people know if they want to talk to Rick they can call in. Well they got a few minutes to do so. Oh yeah we get to probably speak to Colin. But you know what? But you know what? What time is it? It's already 11? Yeah we got three minutes. What? Ain't nobody calling in to talk to me. Oh my god. That is so crazy. That went by fast. You know what? This is a good episode man. We talked about things. Like I love it. When it just gets going dude and we get deep into the flow like. I'm glad nobody called in dude. This episode blew me away. This episode blew me away. Oh you know. Yeah. It's really cool. I think it's good. I like this better. Because I'm going to tell somebody to go. What? You're talking to me? No I like to talk about everything. Live. Period. Point blank. It's all good. Hey well we only have a couple minutes left so plug any gigs you have. Anything you have coming up. Events. Anything you're working on. Sorry. Australia tour hits and pits. Whoa. He's on that? I'm on hits and pits. And what? In November? In May. I'm doing that. Not the one. Oh I wish I was on that with you. I wish I was too dude. And then I got this thing called Summer Meltdown coming up. I'm opening it up for Modest Yahoo. Direct support. What? Seedless is there. Wow. Dirty Heads. It's like 40 bands in Santa Clarita Skate Park. I'm going to ride and play. With Modest Yahoo? Yeah. I don't know if he's going to ride but I'm going to play. Yeah. And then music video. Riding. Yes. I host for Solon TV. I do serious radio voiceovers. Yep. I'm hustling. Kids. Being a good dad. Doing the right thing. You know what I mean? You're like Larry H. Parker. I am dude. Keeping it positive. Yeah. Larry H. Parker of BMX World. Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen. Just get on your bike. Pegs or no pegs. Four pegs. You got four pegs dude. You're not punk. Oh God. You're not punk. Punk on to you is not the same punk rock music I grew up on youngin'. It's not even close. We didn't go buy our uniforms at Hot Topic. Yeah. Right. Mike just said that in the Live of the Roxy. Back when punk rock was dangerous. You couldn't go down the street and get your hair dyed. Dude that rules. Oh yeah. Mike Ness is the bomb. Dizzle, rizzle, dizzle. He kept it real. Keeping it real man. He still does keep it real. Probably. Yeah. Yeah. He's cool. So. But no. I got a bunch of stuff going. I'm always busy. I'm not hard to find. Just Google me. Oh you will. What's your website again? Not hard to find baby. Google me. Rickthorn.tv. Just Rickthorn.tv. With an E. Rickthorn.tv. And only any girls that want to hit me up. Here's your qualifications real quick. Job. Car. Live on your own. Otherwise. Those are the new qualifications right? Yeah. Instagram. Yeah. And Rickthorn. Instagram and Rickthorn. And if we got to dinner you're paying half. Bottom line. 50-50. Setting boundaries dude. Hey. Ladies. Yeah. If you want to go on a date with Rick. Just call us at the studio. We'll set you up. 800-893-9562. Yeah. No. You want to go on a date with me. We'll screen them all. You're paying the freaking whole bill dude. I'm over it. Exactly. There you go. This is the win a date with Rickthorn and you pay contest on Los Angeles East Coast. And you pay. You win a contest but they have to pay. Yeah. Yeah. Write us on our Facebook page. Please. They got to be hot. They got to be hot. I'm kidding. Right on. That's great dude. Rickthorn. Thank you. Shout out to Monster and Solon. Yeah. And Noisy Sunglasses too. And GoPro. And GoPro. This is the 126th episode of Los Angeles News Talk. Thank you. Take care guys. Take care guys. I'm the little Tokyo You get hell inside So here we go Couldn't get inside Go for gold I'm on the goal line Go for gold Couldn't get inside So here we go Next up, Trident Town Going through the night On the way to Island Park I'm on the goal line So here we go Couldn't get inside Go for gold I'm on the goal line So here we go