Unequally yoked discussion with personal testimonies

Thank you. Hi, you're listening to Positive Perspective, one of the most interesting hours in radio, where we shine the positive light of Jesus Christ on the scriptures, music, our communities, and world issues. We're broadcasting live from Skid Row Studios in beautiful downtown Los Angeles. Hey, you're listening to Positive Perspective. I'm Willis Boyd. I'm Shante Duncan. And you're listening to Positive Perspective. Denise is in studio tonight. Hello. And I'm going to let my in-studio guests introduce themselves so I don't butcher their names up badly. Hi, I'm Marilyn Irizarry. And I am... So grateful to be here. Okay. Hi, this is Lorraine Moreland. And I am very grateful to be here. And yes, tonight our topic is about unequally yoked. And we're going to go the Bible sense or biblical sense of the word. And here I got a scripture here. It's 2 Corinthians 6.14. And Marilyn, you say that. That is just your cup of tea. You know all about that, right? Well, I don't know all about it, but I've had a lot of experience. I am a minister. I've been a minister almost 20 years. I'm a counselor, secular counselor. I've been a counselor for about 35 years. And this is something that has come up many times for myself personally. I'm in recovery for 27 years. Mm-hmm. And I was... You know, 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 Okay, now when they say unequally yoked for the people out there that don't know what being yoked, I mean, yoked to me is like when you come out of the gym, you say, you know, you're all buffed. That dude is yoked, you know. I was like, swole. Well, swole, but yoked is old school, you know. So what is yoked? Well, older school than old school. If you're going to be with someone and you're going to go through a journey together, you've got to be absolutely sure that that journey is going to be the best one you can possibly have. And you're going to support and help each other. So the yoking is to support each other on your journey. So, but I've heard the, I guess, the definition or explanation of an. Ox. And we kind of got into this last week just for a brief moment. And that's why I wanted to kind of just touch it again this week is if you have a ox and I did say the word jackass. And I don't think I can say that on the radio. Can you say that? You just did. Oh. But if you have that, a yoke is the wooden thing that holds them together to plow the field or do the work. Right. And if you have a donkey, I'll say this time, and an ox, then it's unequal where that donkey, he's not used to doing that kind of work and that kind of thing. But the ox, he knows where he's going and he knows what to do. The donkey, not necessarily so. So unequally yoked mean that, in my opinion, is if you have two people that are there together. And. And. And they're going to get the job done. So basically you're saying that they're on the same page and the same accord with the same beliefs. Well, they might not necessarily be all of that, but it's somewhere close to that, isn't it? I understand it to be the healthiest way is that, yes, you have to have similar beliefs. And from my point of view, those beliefs have to start at the core. A lot of relationships do not even get into. The belief system. I have a friend of mine who's married four times. And finally, the first date she had with her husband, she said, what is your relationship with Jesus Christ? And he gave the right answer. And she said, we can have a second date. And they've been together for about 15 years now. OK, now, I mean, you say that. But what if that jive sucker said something just to, you know, you know what I'm saying? She wouldn't have the second date. She had already been through it. Oh, no, I'm saying he said Jesus Christ. And then they went 80 dates. And then after they got married. He changed. You know what I'm saying? Yes, I do. OK. But what I'm saying is that we say Jesus Christ and they say Jesus Christ. But we know and you know from experience that it's not. Always like that. There's a lot of folks out there front and line and doing everything else in the name of Jesus. And in the name of relationships, getting what they want and using and abusing and doing all that stuff in the name of Jesus. Absolutely. And I know of this week I was told because I am a counselor, because I am a minister. I have a lot of stories, a lot of comparisons. And there is one pastor who's going to get a divorce. How? What kind of pastor? Is he a Christian? Yes, he is. He's a Christian. What kind of Christian is he? He's a very well respected. I've I've been to his services. I appreciate his passion, his love, his integrity. However, something has happened between the marriage that is no longer conducive to continue this without being a lie, without giving up some part of them. So. You know. what they're saying a marriage is about. And they've made that decision. So we change sometimes. We may go into a relationship really thinking we're going to do this. We're going to be long term. We're going to be healthy. We're going to do whatever it takes. And then life happens. Also, everybody comes into a marriage, a relationship with their baggage, and they don't even know what the baggage is. But I know, but in Christ Jesus, and Shanti, help me, what's the book of love? Is it 1 Corinthians? 1 Corinthians 13. And what you're telling me there is one of those two people are, if not both of them, are selfish. Yes. And so they're not applying Christ to that situation. So that's why. It's failing. Right. True? I believe so. Since I'm not their counselor, I cannot tell you. But from my point of view, which is always where I'm coming from. You're always coming from your point of view. My point of view. Nobody else's. Just mine. I like that. This is it. Whatever's in this brain comes out of the mouth. And sometimes I've got to take it back. Oh, well, you got to filter. Yes. Let the Holy Spirit filter. Yes. And I do live in that consciousness. The Holy Spirit is everything about my life. Right. I live in that place. I get to experience all these different people's points of view and give them information. And they have scripture. They have the book. They have the book. Yet it's interpretive. Because I go to different churches to talk to with different ministers, and I'll get a different interpretation. Okay. Okay. I'll get a different interpretation from 10 different ministers on the same scripture. And I mean, but it's so easy or that a child can understand the word of God. So what are you talking about? I'm saying that it is interpreted by each person. But it's crazy. You don't think that's crazy? I don't think it's crazy because that's the way our brains work. What, to try to manipulate the word to... Are you just saying how we all have a different interpretation? Yes. Well... It's not necessarily... I'm not manipulating it. Is the light green? I mean, okay. Love thy neighbor as thyself. Yes. How do you interpret that? That's straight out love thy neighbor as themself. There's arguments over it or people have different interpretations. Some people believe this. Some people believe that. Well, I think sometimes... There's some that are clearer than others. We try to put it into our situation to make it for what fits us. Yes. I think what we need to do is we need to pray upon... And have God interpret through the Holy Spirit what he was trying to say instead of trying to manipulate it to being what we want it to say so that we can continue to do what we want to do sometimes. Do you think these ministers are doing that? Or they're just coming and shooting from the hip with it? I mean, honestly, when you hear them, do you think their interpretation of what they read, is it so close? Is it so close to the scripture that you go like, oh, I get that? One of the reasons we're asked to study is so that we will understand at a deeper level. And when we hear the words from one person and then another person and another person, ultimately the Holy Spirit within us has to decide, how am I going to do this? How am I going to decipher, discern? It could be just a change of intonation in the voice of how something is said to the way it's interpreted. Not necessarily negatively, but I can tell you I see some ministers up there, they are dancing and prancing, and it is not about the scripture for me. I'm right there with you. It's about the person. It's about the personality. And da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Isn't that what people want? It's like I heard that at the Baptist church, they're not going to take tithes and offering anymore. They're just going to charge 12 bucks at the door because they put on a darn good show. It's histrionics. And I don't, I personally don't appreciate it. I don't want my minister to get up there and go, okay, and the scripture says, and he or she will read the word. I don't want that. I want passion. I want love. I want commitment. I want integrity. But don't some pastors take it past that where it's no longer, it's like a show and it's not necessarily the passion anymore. It's the show. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. I feel that way too. A lot, actually. I feel it a lot. And what else do you feel, Miss Quiet Lady over there? Lorraine. I hear you. I hear you and I see it and I can't cope with it in some churches that I go to, you know, and I listen to what they're preaching about and I look at them and I said, you know what, maybe they had a problem like I did and I just wasn't saved. And sometimes when people get overwhelmed with being saved, they start telling you their story and comprehending the Bible the way they want to do. And I think sometimes that is not right. And, you know, like a lot of them, they don't really, talk about the Bible anymore. It's all about them and what they need. Come on, let's pass that passage one more time. Okay, boo, boo, boo, boo. Come on, let's pass that basket one more time. And I go to walk up to the pastor and say, hi, I can't get nowhere near him. So I'm trying to figure out what's really going on. You know, when you talk about the yoke part, I think it's being committed even when you don't feel like it. I think that's what marriage is about. Some people, but you always have to remember, people have the right to change. It's their minds. Yeah, but you don't because you made a vow. A lot of people's not making a vow. If you notice, they get up there and have their own marital vows. Okay. They're not doing it by the Bible anymore. They're doing it for what they feel that they should do in their way. And a lot of people don't, is not Christians. A lot of people, we have different religions. And so, you know, a lot of things in, but the good example is Jesus. And that's what we have to be. As Christians, we have to show the example of Jesus. And that's for heaven. But like I know, I know some atheist folks that have been married for 84 years. And why? Because what they believe in. And what is there? They don't believe in, they don't believe in Christ, but they're genuinely good people. And I mean, they, they don't believe in heaven, hell, this or that. But marriage, you know, they're making it work. Is it based on love? I say, obviously married, their marriage vows, they took them were very sacred, whether they were religious vows or just a vow that was earthly, secular vows. They took it seriously. And it was, you know, to death. Amen. Now I can relate to that one because I, I saw my husband take his last breath. If you know, and I, I hear a lot of people, oh, they're leaving. Like she said, pastors divorce. And, but what, when she said that I came to a grip where when you do say to death, do us part, that's a sacred moment. You know, I saw my husband actually take, he squeezed my hand and he took his last breath, you know, and how do you think that made me feel? I feel very well. There was a guy because I could have gave up. I could have gave up long time ago, but I didn't. And my husband would always say, don't give up no matter what be committed when you don't feel like it. You know, he was in a wheelchair. One day I was walking on the side of him and I said, honey, my feet is hurting. I'm tired. You know, he looked up at me from his wheelchair and he said, I'll tell you what you get in the wheelchair and I'll walk. I never complained again, you know, and that really touched me and it taught me so many different things. And what I'm saying here, we learn so much from each other. And if you have a real love and embracement with someone is worth holding on to. So I don't know what the world is about today, but these things come from the word of God. Love one another. Love thy neighbor. Who is my neighbor? You're my neighbor. You're my neighbor. You're my neighbor. And that's what it's all about. Well, that's pretty deep. Yeah. Yeah. I would like to hear more about, um, um, um, Marilyn was saying about how, um, and I don't know if you want to talk about this. Did I, did I tell all you lovely ladies that you were lovely today? All of you. You're quite handsome yourself, my dear. Okay. Get them checked. Maybe get them checked. Okay. Um, but, but, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um, um. Um. Um. Um. Um. Um. Um. You You broken, and restored. And what happened is that I was homeless for eight years. I slept in a doorway after my first marriage. My first husband brought drugs into the house and I was drinking. It devastated my life. You know, I was one of those mothers, PTA meetings and getting the kids ready for graduation and stuff. And that was my life. That's what I wanted. And then when the drugs came in and stuff like that, it was just devastating because I wanted to stick with my man, do with my man. And that stuff just took me and threw me against the wall. Like, boom, it was like, huh? So it seemed like I was in a coma for eight years. But when they took my children away from me, I just didn't feel like I had anything to live for because my children was my life. And I stayed homeless. I mean, I could live with my mother, but they didn't teach me to do that. So I wasn't going to put that burden on my mother. So I found my way in a doorway, downtown, Los Angeles. And that's where I made my home. And my newfound friends of homeless people, they watched over me. I watched over them. And the thing about it, I would clean up this alley for pay less and they would pay me $10 a week, which was fantastic. $10 a week was a lot of money. And when the police would come sweep up everybody from the alley, they would take us all to jail. And I said, I can't go to jail. I got a job. So they would let me out because they would call the manager. And he said, yes, she's here every day. So I was a reliable, you know, $10 got me, got me some respect. It doesn't matter, but it got me respect. So my husband lived in that building where I would hang out and he, he was my friend at that time. And he would come out and ask me, was I hungry and take me to Taco Bell on Broadway. And I thought it was just amazing that someone would care about me to eat some tacos and stuff like that. So I would go and then, and then the kid, the men would say, Chris is looking for you. And I was too dirty for anybody to really be looking for me and caring for me. And, um, one day the nun told me, she said, Lorraine, I was going to the shelter and the nun saw me in my doorway. And she said, Lorraine, I don't care what I do today. October 6th, 1994. She said, I don't care what I do today. You are not sleeping on the streets anymore. So that day I heard my name called and I looked around. I didn't know what I was doing. I was sleeping on the streets. I was sleeping on the streets. I didn't see anybody, but I always remember one pastor said, if you ever hear your name called, don't say you're not ready. So that day I went to, uh, um, they sent me to a alcohol center for women. And that was the start of cleaning myself up. I had no clue it was going to. And then my friend, Chris, he would, um, write me and ask me if I need anything or anything. I was amazed. It was like, wow. And so I got my first apartment, got my kids back and my husband, my friend, he was my friend at that time was in a wheelchair. Cause when he was 24, he had a motorcycle accident. But when I got my first apartment, I said, God, give me an apartment with windows all over the place. And God did. And one day I was in my kitchen and some said, look at the front door. So I, I looked at the front door and I seen his white hand go like, boom down. I had to be white cause I wouldn't have been able to see anything else. And so I went to the door and I looked at him and he looked at me and he said, now do you see how much I love you? And that's when I fell in love with him. It was amazing. And it just went on from there. And we got married. I wanted to wait till my daughters get 18 years old so they could accept. Cause I would be marrying out of my home. And I was like, I'm going to marry out of my home. And I was like, I'm going to marry out of my race. And, and they accepted him because he would be their stepfather. Now they'd, they'd had a problem if you married out of your race or that was just something that was instilled with in them or what was the deal with that? Well, the thing about it, I had been away from their lives for a long time and here I, and their father, black man, and he's still alive and they was raised around because they was with their grandfather. So here I've come home. I've got a white boyfriend now. Come on now. I think you were too hard on yourself. No, but I didn't want, I wanted to show my kids an example. Uh, they were still young and they didn't see me get married with their dad because they wasn't born yet. So the thing about it, I wanted them to accept. I don't know if my black kids like white people. I don't know that. Well, you should know you're their mom. Did they say? No. Come on. Did they say? No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. raising their kids. Exactly. Exactly. So she had been instilled in them from their grandparents. There you go. So were your mother and dad, was your mom and dad prejudiced? It was her dad. My mom, no. Not at all. Okay. But they was already suffering from my defaults of character. So I had to come back clean and bring things in my life clean and respectful and everything and make sure everybody. So I waited till my daughters was 18 and they accepted the person that's going to be their stepfather and it was wonderful. And, you know, then we start having grandkids and my daughter, they're mixing their children up and everybody looked like everybody. So it was really great. It was really great because I opened, I'm the one that opened the door for them. I'm the one that said it's okay. And long as their mother was happy, they approved of everything. And that, that gave them a new dimension of life too because I had been gone and I raised my kids to love me and me love them. But how did I know I was going to become an alcoholic and a drug user out there on the streets looking like a bum? Their mother, I had my kids in PTA me. I was a PTA mother. I worked at Sentinel Hospital. Now when you, your friend, he was already in a wheelchair? Yes, he was. Okay. And I never thought that I would, you know, like anybody in a wheelchair. What, what, what I have to offer them? I don't know if I had the energy to take care of someone in a wheelchair. But when he did my stairs and he climbed my stairs and left his wheelchair down there, I fell in love with him. My heart just dropped to him down there. And that's what a new dimension of my life. I didn't even know if I could deal having a white husband. So I don't, so it worked. I can tell you it's not easy. It's real. It is real. But it was beautiful. I mean, he knew more about my culture than a black man did, actually. Wow. Oh, I never been to the mountains. I never been up there to see the snow. I never been these kind of places to the mountains, the top of the mountains. And in a wheelchair, my husband took me to these places. He knew every soul song there was, had every soul song there was. Could he, no, sorry, I didn't do that. I almost said the wrong thing. Could he dance? Oh, wait, he could dance. Could he ever dance? My husband, could not. But you know what? He wanted to impress me, so his Christmas party, he got out that wheelchair and he started dancing. They couldn't believe it. It is drop. And I can turn the right music on in the house and he'll get up out that wheelchair and just start dancing like a little kid. Oh. His soul was on fire. And his mother, his mother. Then he could dance. Well, he never really got out that chair, but when he got with Soul Sister, he was on it. He was great. He was, he was, I had to, most wonderful was wedding. I had learned so much through him and not to give up on life and he was a photographer and he took a lot of pictures of the homeless people downtown and they loved him, you know. So, I had a wonderful, you know, to come out off the ground and someone, I was filthy dirty. He was a good looking man. He could have had anybody. Well, you're a good looking woman. Well, thank you very much. Okay, now, I want to say, do you feel, do you feel that you were evenly yoked? Absolutely. Okay, now, he was a Christian man, I assume. Catholic. Okay. Yeah. Now, is a Catholic a Christian? Yes. You think? Yes. You think? Oh, my husband wouldn't do anything without Jesus, but he did worship Mary, Mary, Mother of God. Oh, okay. Yeah, he did the rosary every day. Yeah, I'm not going to get into that. That's another show. But, I know, I know. Hey, you know, he said there's a three court, Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. Right, and I know a lot of Catholic people that are awesome, awesome, awesome people. And, you know, the saint worship and all that craziness, I'm not going to judge, we'll let, let God deal with that when, when they get up there, if they get up there. See, that's what we was talking about, the different pastors and different marriages. Every, if you notice, and what's going on in our world today, you listen to the news, you've been, you've been a Christian man. But you say, I would have did something like that. Ooh, in the world, if they believe in it. Then a mother says, oh, my son was such a good Christian. He went to church every Sunday. I just didn't believe he did this. But he did. He did do it. So, how do you balance this off and what do, what do the people embrace to know the difference between good and bad in a Christian life? Well, I think the Bible is clear and I'm not saying that, that we're all, the reason we have Christ is because none of us can keep that and we're all flawed. Okay, but I think that it's clear on some things and I think it is absolutely clear on something. There's only one mediator between God and man. Okay, now, when, when hierarchy or people up there change that to, to manipulate people, Yes. and those people are manipulated by it and what I'm saying is that the truth is there for all of us. I'm gonna interject here. Okay. For years, I actually thought the Catholics were demonic. You don't anymore? No. No. Because I've been blessed to have some of the most wonderful, loving, compassionate, honest people, of complete integrity. Mm-hmm. The fact that there are aspects of their belief system that are not like I feel that I want to do my journey, I have taken that and given that to God. Mm-hmm. I've said, okay, I'm not the judge. You've told us not to judge. Mm-hmm. You've told us, don't do it. I've had people in my life that I love, that died, that were Catholics. I have no doubt whatsoever that they are with the Lord right now. Mm-hmm. None. There are aspects of belief systems. That's why I am so interested in 2 Corinthians 6, 14 for so many years is that you can have a difference in some aspects of your belief system. It can still be scriptural. You can still believe in similar things. Mm-hmm. However, there may be differences. And that's all right for me. Uh-huh. Because if you were equally yoked, regardless of whether you're a Protestant or Catholic, if you're equally yoked, that's between you and God. That's how I see it. I keep on saying this. I won't stop saying it. My interpretation reality is from my point of view. So when you say a person has different interpretations of the Bible says that there's only one mediator between man and God, and that's Jesus Christ. So when the Catholic people pray to Mary and to the saints, not only to Mary, but to the saints, and I have a friend that's dying of cancer, they give him little statues that say this statue heals cancer. Peter. Right. 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Where were we? All right. So, again, my understanding is if you give your life to the Lord, and that is your reality, we may not like what other people do with their belief system. We may not like that they are in the same place as we are. But we do know that we are in the same place as we are in the same place as we are. And we do know that we are in the same place as we are. And we will not be going to priests or having saints. But the bottom line for me is, are you going to be kept out of heaven because you did this? Or were you told that you were to give your life to the Lord Jesus Christ with everything you've got inside of you? And then you get to come home? Well, I think also when we all get up to heaven, we're going to have to answer for everything here on earth whether it's praying to the Saints to Mary that's each person is gonna stand up there and have to answer for what that's I mean there's a great white throne of judgment but Shantae what's the scripture of if anyone comes preaching any any anything but what we're teaching you then and that's not right okay that's what that's what the Apostle is Apostle Paul and that's kind of where I have problem with things it's like you know the Irish and the gosh the over in the Middle East exploding people because they believe a certain way or and I'm just gonna go here the Bible says certain things about homosexuality and like you bought out a point that there are good and bad and in everybody whether they're homosexual or what their beliefs are and and and regular people or regular people I don't I don't think there's a such a thing but they're good and bad but because that homosexual believes that he's a good and he's he's accepted Christ as a homosexual and believes that he can stay in that place and that's what it's about and that's what it's about and that's what it's about according to the Word of God right I mean and it's clear okay is he going to heaven because he believes you know what I'm a good person and I've accepted Christ with all my heart all my heart and all my soul and I'm doing right and then God's Word says another thing but to me but isn't it isn't it isn't homosexuality according to the Bible considered a sin so is that gonna be because of that sin is that gonna keep him if he follows with what it says that you have to get to heaven do you believe that Jesus is your Lord and Savior did he die on the cross just to forgive us for our sins okay but but you have there has to be repentant okay there has to be repentance and to me when you when you're worshiping Saints and Mary and putting Mary in the place of Christ there's something wrong and and and I mean I'm not saying that we're not going to be 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 little dolls that i believe that god said do not make idolatry yeah those images that this this little doll is going to have no other god before yeah can cure cancer so they give a doll instead of saying in the in the name of jesus christ through the mighty blood of jesus christ ask for that healing hallelujah okay so i mean when we start looking at those kinds of things and you say well i think you know i think well that's sincere and blah blah blah and then what what do you got to say about that hit me with it what do you want to say say anything you want okay i'm not defending people's belief systems you're understanding it i understand it especially because i am a counselor and i am a minister so i get to listen to people and then i can give them scripture and i can tell them this is what you have here's your information what are you going to do with it and how are you going to justify your actions or are you going to be in that spirit what are you going to do how are you going to live your life well i mean i can understand that that that i mean you really don't have much of a choice you know yeah go ahead can i say something about that because you know when i was in sin and this lady would give me scriptures just like she just give them to me she wouldn't explain them to me at all and i i i looked at the bible and i looked at it and man i felt like i was going to die right there i closed that bible so fast but today when i read description i'm not as i'm not on drugs or alcohol or anything like that i can i comprehend it a lot better and i'm not afraid that i'm going to get punished or something terrible is going to happen to me and that's what it's all about so i feel when someone is um giving someone a scripture it's very important that you share what that scripture is about so they have a better understanding because a person in sin you can help them all that you want but if you're not communicating with them and helping lifting them out of there and you sit there and they're there by themselves they might commit suicide from just guilt from a guilt aspect no you you you you're saved you're a good man you're no don't you come don't you put me in that boat don't you put me in there you go you see me but there's nothing you can do to help me and you give me well okay i'm gonna write lorraine some scriptures boo boo boo boo and so i you just hand them to me and bye you gone about your way and then i go in because i'm a i'm still a good girl christianly but i'm in sin and i've got nothing to do with 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 2020 Lorraine, sorry, Marilyn, was telling me that you plant seeds. And sometimes that scripture, it just goes boom. Because a spirit, the spirit probably is why that person just gave you that scripture. And you're telling the truth because I'm going to tell you why. Because in that house, I did see a spirit. I saw an angel. Because I was baffled with these scriptures. I was really scared. And I even looked twice. I had put my kids to sleep and I looked twice. There was this beautiful angel. And my life started changing after that. So the scriptures did come alive because I had that spirit to come embrace me. But if without that spirit, for me, I probably, I don't know what would have happened. But like you said, when you spoke about the spirit, it knew what I needed when I didn't even know. And see, that's a lot of times what Marilyn was saying. And kind of along the lines of what you're saying, to regurgitate, something you were saying earlier, is that you can't really, us as sinners and humans, that she's just planting seeds. And then we have to rely on the spirit. Now, in her seat as a counselor, you have people coming to you. But like you say, people dropping scriptures. And maybe that's what the spirit said. It's just boom. And then I'll take care of the rest. I've had people years later. In fact, I just wrote 1998. I bumped into a man that I had known in Vegas. I lived in Las Vegas three times. I was a practicing alcoholic at the time. But I also had been baptized at a very early age. And that was inside of me. And I would speak the word. I would speak the word to people. And they were drinking. And this man in 98, I hadn't seen him in 10, maybe 15 years. He said, I want to thank you for helping save my life. Because you and the ladies used to pray on me. And you would talk to me. And you saved me. You helped save me. Not you saved me. You helped save me. I'm alive today. I'm sober today. Because of the way we were then. We didn't know. And it was revealed to me right then and there after speaking with this man for a while. That you never know when you are speaking the word of God to anyone at any time. If it comes from the Holy Spirit within you. If it comes with the sincerity. With the integrity. It's not your job to know. And it will not come back void. But it's true even more than just of the word of God that you talk about. As Christians, we need to make sure that we carry ourselves in a way that's going to represent Christ. Yes. Always. So if. Did you say always? Always. Because I'd have messed up. I'd have messed up like 84 times today. But we always do. Because you're absolutely right. You don't know on what you had. I have had people in a job that was nothing to do with reading the scripture or anything like that. Come back years later and say something that you said or did or something. Help. Help them along and turn their lives into a way that made them very successful. And like I said, as Christians, we have to always carry ourselves that way. Because you don't know. People are looking what you can say or do that may affect them way beyond. You never see them again or years later and they'll say something. Would you like to chime in on this? I know because she's in college and she's. Not had a got a boyfriend and blah, blah, blah. She's trying to get things right and do things right. So this unevenly yoke stuff is, you know, I mean, from where we're coming from, as might be a little. I won't say out of her league, but would you like. Well, it's not. It can go along with. You don't have to take evenly. Just being with your with your husband or your boyfriend. It can be also with the friends that you choose. And that's where Shantana. Has to, you know, apply what we're saying just to her personal life. Exactly. So what do you mean? I mean, yeah, I get what she's saying. I think. I think it's a cool perspective of it applying with a company that you keep. Wait a second. It's also a positive perspective. Right. With the company that you keep and who you have surrounding you, whether those people are building you up or. Are knocking you off your path. So I think I like what Denise just said. The unequally yoke thing can apply to more than just a marriage. It'll apply to every relationship that we have. That's, you know, not physical or anything like that. Well, I think the Bible does say something about. I mean, also business not to be, you know, unevenly. She just coughed. It's OK. We all do it. Yeah. And yeah, it goes along those lines. But as far as like and I know you have friends that are not Christian friends. Yeah. I'm in Christian clubs at school. So I have friends that are Christian and then I have classmates and musician friends that aren't Christian. Now, do you think that we should as Christians just stay away from those evil non-Christian people? Do you think that or no? Well, if you don't associate with anybody that are non-Christian, how are they ever going to get to know about Christ? Yeah. I've spoken with friends about the Bible. I've spoken with, you know, different friends that have different backgrounds. Either they're Jewish or they, you know, think this way or that way. I love Jewish people. Yeah, they're really. Thank you, honey. Very interesting, cool people. But I've. Denise was saying there's opportunities to talk about Christ. Talk about your faith. And that wouldn't be possible if you only hung out with people that are Christian. So Paul didn't just go to Christian cities. No, Jesus didn't. Jesus. He didn't either. And he didn't just go to. He gave me hope. Christian bookstores. Oh, no. Just remember where your belief is. Remember where your spirit is. You have to have your foundation and know who you are. Yeah. And make those right decisions. But I still think it's possible to have friends and to have. You know, contact with people that don't share your faith. That's true. You know, Shantae is young. She's the youngest one here. I'd like to know her opinion about how would you approach somebody? You are Christian and somebody is not a Christian and trying to find their way and seems so lost. What kind of example would you give this person? Um, I think depending on where they were at, I would try to see if I can relate or share with them a scripture. Let them try and pray with them, you know. But I think I'd let them talk first before I just, you know, shoot out my advice just to see where they're coming from or where their mindset is. And, you know, hopefully the spirit will be working at me so I don't, you know, speak on my own, but speak through Christ. I like that. And again, our actions, you know, speak a whole lot. So how how she carries herself around those people, because once people know that you're a Christian, it's like they got their eyes out. Let me see. You know, they're looking for you to falter. They're looking for you to fail. They're looking for you to make that mistake. You know, yeah. If you soon as you make that mistake, they're saying, see, see, you know, and we're all imperfect. We all are sinners. And so we are going to stumble out there. And we have to make sure that when we when we do stumble around, especially non-Christians, that we let them know, hey, I'm only human. But because I know Jesus, you know, I have the ability to pray to him and ask for forgiveness on my on my mistakes that I've made and my faults that I have. And he'll forgive me of those and help me when I when I reach those same circumstances again, not to make those same mistakes. And what I tell them, what I tell them usually is that, you know, I'm a man just like you, except for God is not looking at me. He's looking at Christ. I'm standing behind Christ because I've been washed in that blood and God is not looking at me anymore. He's looking at Christ. Christ. OK. And then I call him a jive sucker. You jive sucker. Well, that's the explanation I give is that we're all human and we all make mistakes. And I'm not walking on water because I am a Christian. It's just that God doesn't see me anymore. He's looking at Christ because Christ paid that price. He's our path, our mediator. Absolutely. So it's not that we're different. We're human just like you are, except for you just don't have that. That. You know, you don't have Christ in front. You know, he's looking at you and he's looking at you in your sin. Now, you're looking at me a little bit on me, Marilyn. OK, now, if you got something on your mind, you need to just talk to me. I. I'm taking it back with the jive sucker thing. Oh, OK. I wasn't really sure about that. But I did want to interject something about what Denise was saying earlier is that I was invited to do the invocation for the L.A. Mission. They have a year program. They graduate. They graduate after being there a year. And I specifically told them to behave in a way because you never know who's going to be looking at you and who's going to determine. Whether they want to be a Christian by your actions all the time. And yes, you are human. You make the mistakes. And then you say, this is who I am. I am a human and I do make mistakes. But however, everything about me is that I believe in the Lord above all things so that I can go and say, please forgive me. And. And. And that it's taken care of. But we don't live and see that's and that's that's another thing that people think, you know, OK, so he forgives you. So and that's that's kind of a thing with the Catholic Church. They they go in and see the priest comes to confess their sins and and and and then go out and do the same thing over again. It's not that we live in that sin. We cannot say, well, he's going to forgive us. I think there's a lot of people do that in media, like with musicians that thank God for the awards. That's what they get in. And the lifestyle, the music and everything else they put out is totally opposite of that. It's a very distinct, you know, I'll pray to God and I know I'm a sinner and then they still do the same things over and over again. I think the thing is, is when we sin, you have to when we repent means that I'm going to attempt with everything not to make that not to do that same thing over again. Think, oh, God, forgive me for that. OK, I go out and God, forgive me for that. That's not that's not true repentance. Right. But what about weakness? Like, say. But that's that's a. Weakness that you have. Can I say crackhead? But I think that's pretty sure, you know, when you do that and they and they may be very, very sincere, but they have they have a weakness. That's when you have to try to recognize I have an issue. I have a problem. I have to try to seek help for that. And you may stumble and fall. We all stumble and fall over again. Get up, dust yourself off and just say, I have to try harder. God, give me the strength this time. Help me to make it over that that hurdle. What do you have to say about that, Marilyn? I believe that that's very important to do in life about everything. I have weaknesses. I have characteristics. I constantly wake up in the morning. OK, I'm here today. So I know I need your help. Please help me in those things that I still feel that I am weak in. And I do this. Yes. Yes. Oh, we have three minutes left. So closing comments. Oh, OK. I come to closing comments. Thank you, Shantae Marie. Water bottle lady. And then go ahead. Lorraine, right? Yes. Go ahead. You have any closing comments, anything you'd like to say? And well, yes, I would just like to tell young old all people, men and women, children, don't be afraid to give your life to Christ. He's there for you. And he loves you more than you could love yourself. And he keeps you safe and secure all the days of your life. So don't be afraid and don't give up. That's what I'd like to say. Beautiful. I am very, very grateful for this opportunity because the way that we can help change the world as I see it, it's a very intense, not a positive experience that this is how we can change is by giving of ourselves to whoever's listening. And and that's how we get to change it. OK. Anybody else? Me? OK. You know, I ain't got nothing to say. OK. Would you like to read that, Miss Duncan? And read it from your heart, girl. OK. Remember, we are never more like Jesus Christ. And when we are forgiving, loving and creating. All right. And that's going to wrap our show. We have a little time left. And anybody? I think we want to thank our guests, Marilyn and Lorraine, for coming in. You guys were very, very interesting. Beautiful story. Yeah, it was great. Thank you. It was a wonderful opportunity. And I loved every moment. And Marilyn, I talked to you. Are you going to be able to come back? Yes, absolutely. I'm always full of opinions. Your own. Yes, my own. My adventures, my point of view. And as I said, I'm really grateful that I can share because I'm not always right. Whatever I may say is from my head, my heart. And somebody can argue the point of whatever I'm saying. And that's OK, too, because I learned that way. Now that when I said jive sucker, jive turkey or whatever I said. OK, now that you're not. OK, now that you're not. You're not always right. That's baffling me. Why would you say something like that? You're funny. I'm just keeping it real. Oh, OK. Remember, I did tell you, you do have class, but so do I. Class. Oh, you're doing the New York. You're doing the New York thing? Give us the New York thing. We got 13 seconds. I came from the streets of New York and I have class because I take my dog for a walk whenever I want to. OK, there you go. Thank you for listening to Positive Perspective. I'll see you next time. Bye. 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