Arrow and Buffy deep dive with Andy Sell

I'm a soldier, I'm a soldier, I'm a soldier, I'm a soldier, don't be unwise to come in and burn my side, you won't believe your eyes, what's the X-ray rise? Yoda, why you beat up all your haters? And Matt is downstairs paying for the parking of our fourth guest, Andy Sell. So when they come up, they'll have some illustrious story about how they slayed a dragon to pay for the fucking parking. It'll be awesome. And I actually have, I guess a semi-rant, I've been watching Arrow. Have you guys watched Arrow? Have you watched Arrow, Mandy? No, I haven't. I've heard it's good. Well, have you read Green Arrow? Yes. Okay, here's the thing. I only read it for books. Black Canary though. Fair enough. And I think they might've just introduced Black Canary. What? I haven't, I'm not, they're not calling her Black Canary, but there's like a girl who's like, he's starting to have a romantic interest who also is going to be a hero. Does she wear fishnets and a blonde wig? Mostly she's wearing, she's wearing leather right now. Okay, keep me up to date on what happens with that. Yeah, I will. And maybe I'll start watching it. And I've just started watching it. So, I mean, I'm only on the seventh or something like that podcast. So, I mean, not podcast. Yeah. The Green Arrow podcast. Yeah, that would be a good podcast. It's like an old timey radio show. Yeah. With knockout arrows, with punching gloves. Man, I just really, well, okay, well, go to your rant, go to your rant. Okay, well, here's what it is. I'm wondering now if sometimes changing a character is all that bad. Because I've really enjoyed this show for the most part, although the lead actor is a little bit wooden. Although I'm wondering if later on. That's going to change, you know, like he's getting used to the character, blah, blah, blah. Like, you know how sometimes actors get better at their character, like, you know, a year and a half in or whatever. And, and, and he's, he, but right now Green Arrow or Arrow kills fuckers. Straight up kills them. He killed Deadshot with an arrow to the eye. Wow. And, and. Spoiler alert. Yeah. Well, this isn't a spoiler alert really, unless you've not watched Arrow at all. Don't watch Arrow at all. Well. Spoiler alert. Yeah. Um, I've watched, um. And now I never will because I know how Deadshot dies. Yeah. No. He gets shot. Dead. But there might be Black Canary. There might be Black Canary. I don't know if they're going to call her Black Canary. There's some romance girl who's also sort of a vigilante. They're probably just going to call her Canary. They straight up kill people. And that's the thing. Green Arrow doesn't kill people. I mean, there's one run. But if she's Asian, calling her Canary is still racist. Meh. Meh. What laugh was that? Okay. Go. Um, but so I'm, I'm wondering though, because I've enjoyed the, the, the show so much, I don't kind of, I don't mind the change a little bit. Uh, although, uh, I think the main, the lead actor is terrible, but the rest of the guys I actually kind of, kind of like, but, but it's just more along the lines of like, I just, I don't know why they're having him kill people. Like, I don't know. I'm wondering if it's going to be part of the story where like, he's going to eventually figure out that he doesn't want to do that. That he wanted to. He wants to take these guys down legally or whatever, but it's right now. And the story's changed, obviously the, I mean, the basic origin, they put them on the island. Um, and, but now his dad went down in the boat with him and they're in this life raft and his dad's like, you've got to disgusting. Yeah. Your dad's got to, you've got to write my wrongs. I did a horrible things in star city and, and treated people badly and you've got to write my wrongs. And then he, so that's what he ends up doing is like writing his dad's wrongs. And he has all this book with all these names of people. He has to write his dad's wrongs. He has to take out basically. Uh, and the thing is like, I, I feel like, um, and then the other thing they had him do was his dad, like again, spoiler alert, straight up blew his head off in the raft and which has nothing to do. Are you talking about the, about Arrow? Yeah. Oh, I just, I just watched it. This is my, this is my rant. Uh, it was like, I'm kind of, it's like I'm half irritated. I'm half enjoying it. Yeah. Yeah. Because I'm on the same page. Because he kills fuckers and the fight scenes are great. Um, but at the end of the day, I'm like, I'm not going to do that. At the same time, it's not Green Arrow almost at all. No, no. How far into it are you? I'm now on episode seven. Oh, so you've seen Deathstroke. I've seen Deathstroke. And I don't know why Deathstroke's in it. I don't know what's going on. I haven't gotten. Oh, dude, Deathstroke is in it? Yeah, Deathstroke. He looks real cool too. He does look badass. He looks badass. And, uh, John Barrowman from, uh, Doctor Who and Torchwood plays Merlin, right? Yeah. Is that a spoiler alert for you? Well, good. No, his best name. His, not Merlin as in. Not Merlin the wizard, but his best friend. Merlin as the assassin. Yeah. The assassin archer. Although right now, we don't know if he's going to be an assassin archer. Is that correct? Yeah. We don't know. He plays his best friend. I'm on episode six, so you're farther than that. And then the other thing that's annoying is they keep calling his, uh, his sister Speedy. Yeah. Yeah. Because she does a lot of crack. Well, she does a lot of coke. And she runs around. It was heroin. Was it heroin? It was heroin that Speedy did. Oh, okay. Yeah. Well, I. I know in the comic book. But she does. But she does a lot of coke. Yeah. And she's rich. That nickname does make a lot more sense with coke than with heroin. It really does. Let's be honest. Well, it's ironic. It's like calling a bald dude curly. Oh, right. Yeah, exactly. Or the buff dude tiny. Yeah. He was just, he was just so Speedy though that he needed something to slow him down. So we got Andy Sell and Matt Blackwood here. Hi. Sorry. How's it going? I have an eye patch on because I. I was wondering about that. I got a, uh, I got infected, uh, tear gland. See? What my air eye looks like right now. Are you going to cry? Are you going to cry blood? Why don't you show it to me? Yeah. Like, like. Like Matt Mickelson? Matt Mickelson. Yeah. I hope so. I can't remember. Let's see for. How cool would that be, man? Yeah. Um, but I'm all beat up. Oh, maybe you're wearing a Ron shirt. Yeah. I look. I do. Oh, yeah. You look like this face. He looks like my shirt. He has an, uh. Call me Snake. A Snake from New York shirt. I, I Snake New York. Here's, here's. That is my favorite line of all time in it, by the way, that movie. Which one? When he's like, when they're like the president, you gotta, the president's been, you know, he's, his plane went down. President of what? President of my balls. So, but that was just basically a rant. It's like. Well, here's the thing. It's not even a rant as much as just like, I don't know if I, I'm getting confused almost. No, it is a question, but here's the thing. Uh, I said it before. I'll say it again. There's a lot of screenwriter people who are going to just douche up everything. Like Nolan tends to. Boring up everything. Yep. And you know, there's guys who are going to douche it up a little bit, but the stuff that they add a lot of times is super cool. Like the fact that in the comic books now, Batman glides around instead of swinging on a fucking rope, like a douche version of Spider-Man. The fact that he does the glider cape now a little bit is cool. Yeah. It's an addition to the cannon. That's cool. From some screenwriter fucks. You know what I mean? So like in Blade, Blade's a hundred times better than the movie. The Crow. Crow's a hundred times better than J.O. Barnes. I'm sorry. In the movie, dude, until. That movie's pretty badass. Brandon Lee. Brandon Lee. I just watched that movie again last night. Brandon Lee's fucking badass. Well, I haven't watched it with my now mind, but like back in the days, I thought that was way cooler. Oh, no, I love them. I adore that movie. Yeah. I think it's incredible, but I don't, I'm still torn between that movie and the comic. I love the comic. Comic book's killer. Well, that's, that's closer, but the bottom line is Blade from the comic books is awful. You know what I mean? And the Green Arrow tip from my mind is fucking awful. Oh, man. No, I mean. No, see, I like that. There's some Green Arrow I like. There's some Green Arrow I like, but not all of them. But the thing is, look. Well, yeah, because you're going to get shitty writers. Yeah, exactly. Sometimes, yeah. But if you're going to adapt it, the first thing that you have to get rid of is the punching glove. Yeah. The boxing glove arrows. It's retarded. Yeah. Well, they did that with Hawkeye, too. He doesn't, you know, in the movie, he doesn't have any, I mean, he's got tricks. He does. He does. He's got cool, like, James Bond arrows. They're not like trick arrows. They're trick arrows the way that different types of ammo, you know what I mean? In a TV show. This is a magnesium tip. It's explosive. Yeah, in a TV show, they do the same thing. Although, I will say, are you guys reading Hawkeye? Are you guys reading the fraction Hawkeye? I have not been able to. I'm downloading it. I mean, it's my favorite Marvel book. I'm paying to download. But in one of the issues, Kate Bishop is making fun, like, he's going through all of his old arrows, you know? He's, like, inventorying his trick arrows. And Kate Bishop's like, a boomerang arrow? Please. You know, she's, like, making fun. And then at the end of the issue, the boomerang arrow ends up saving the day. And he's like, yeah, boomerang arrow. It's classic. It's great. It does the job. Yeah. I mean, like, stuff like that, I think, can be made to be cool. But yeah, I mean, just on the surface, it's pretty, like, a boxing club arrow is pretty lame. Yeah. But I love Green Arrow. And I want to see, and I know I'll never see this. This will never happen. Ever. But I want to see a movie of the Green Lantern, Green Arrow. That was a good one. The Denny O'Neill, Neil Adams thing. Where they talk about politics and all that shit. And Green Arrow is trying to get Green Lantern. Basically. I'd love to see that. I'd love to see, like, I'd like to see, there's several comic properties that would be great 70s movies. Movies set in the 70s. Oh, my God. Power Man and Iron Fist. Dude, Power Man and Iron Fist. Yeah, absolutely. Number one with a bullet. Absolutely. You know what I'm saying? Green Arrow, Green Lantern. I watched the Daughters of the Dragon, too. The Misty Knight and Colleen Wing. Yep. I'm so bummed that the Joe Carnahan 70s Daredevil didn't happen. Yeah, dude. That would have been fantastic. Pretty badass. Yeah. Daredevil makes it. Like, taxi driver type. Like, cinematography, but some dude doing super sick parkour all over stuff. That's another thing. Well, and that's the other thing that Green Arrow has is the guys, the stunt guy they have is doing parkour all over the place. Oh, man. The action scenes are incredible. Yeah. The fight scenes are awesome. Yeah. And that's the thing. I mean, we're talking about Buffy today, right? Yeah. And that's another thing that's great. It's like, that's, it's so refreshing to see that kind of fight scene again where they take time to choreograph it and it looks cool and they're not just like quick cuts and close ups and all that shit. They're actually like, you're just showing the choreography. It's great. Well, no. Yeah. And that's exactly right. That's the problem with, from my mind, some of the Nolan-y Batman shit is just like, wow, you just cut this together. Dude, Christian Bale wasn't even in the room with these dudes. Yeah. Yeah. That's fine. Why even bother to choreograph a cool fight scene if you're not going to, if no one's going to see it? And especially with someone like Batman, who's like, main thing that's cool is that he kicks the shit out of people physically. That was a, that was my big problem with Gladiator as well. Oh, yeah. Like, Gladiator. Yeah. Absolutely. The action scenes. Because, like, why, why have 200 extras wielding swords and all in armor and stuff like that if you're just going to have MTV editing where it's like, okay, fight over. And you're like, what? And the difference between. I didn't see anything. Like, why bother putting a tiger in there? You're not going to see it in the frame. And, and the best part, that's just like with the first Bourne movie compared to the second Bourne movie. Did you guys watch the Bourne? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When Greengrass took over. I hate it. I hate it when people get Bourne again. The first, hey, hey. That first Bourne movie, it was a. It was a. It was a. It was a. It was a. It had some amazing fight scenes. The chase scenes were killer. And then the second one was like, hey, look, you're in the fight. Shake a camera. Woo-hoo. Well, I do kind of like this whole, with Bourne and with the new Bonds, it's almost like if Bonds is in a room with you and there's a rolled up magazine, you can jab it in your face with that rolled up magazine. I'll tell you what. You know what I mean? They'll kill someone with whatever's around them. Yeah. And that's cool. Paperweights. Yeah. Yeah. And I'll say in Batman Begins, that first fight scene where it's all fluttery and she's shaking a camera. And people disappear and shit. I thought that was cool because that's Batman's mystery. You're not going to see him doing all kinds of. Yeah. When he was making dudes disappear, that was awesome. Yeah. That was really cool. And that's always been my core of the issue with him before I move on to. Is that he doesn't make them permanently disappear. Which, by the way, Arrow is sort of like doing a Batman. I think that's what they were doing is trying to do Batman, but they can't do Batman. Yeah. Because he's just like he'll disappear and like re-appear places and just kick the crap of people and disappear. He's a total fucking. He's a ninja in that show. It's pretty badass. Well, like street level heroes have to be that way. That's what's so cool about him. I mean, man, Blackwood's obsession with the Punisher. It's just like the Punisher has to. He's a 55 year old man. If he's going to take out 100 gangsters, he can't jump in there and whoop everybody's ass. He has to set the house on fire and sit out front with a minigun and blast the fuck out of all the old ladies and people who come out the front. Yeah. And it's just like your whole day. And do some. I mean, I love it when the Punisher does ninja stuff too. Like as shitty as that Dolph Lundgren one is. I enjoyed it. Like the opening scene where he's just like taking out those monsters. Mob guys one by one with like the nooses and shit. That's cool. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and like Batman, the thing I had to say is about Batman is this. I hate people who like look at the Nolan movies and they're just like, yeah, I don't see anything wrong with how they represent Batman. Batman just wades into rooms full of dudes and they can all see him in a whole big shot from head to toe. It's like as soon as Batman gets seen head to toe, he dies. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's what's in Batman's head. So like why would you ever just wade up into a bunch of fucking guys? Yeah. Why would you go train to be a ninja who can disappear into the shadows and then not disappear into the shadows? Into the shadows. Right. That's what I don't, that's, I mean, that's one of my, I don't even want to really get into Dark Knight Rises, but God, I hate that fucking movie. So much daylight. And that's part, I don't understand, like didn't Bane have a, have a sniper with a 50 cal? Yeah. Just perch him up there and when Batman comes out into the daylight, blast his head off. Like why? Right. And why are these, all these thugs with machine guns fist fighting cops? It's just. Yeah. Why didn't they just blow them away? Yeah. Dude. Yeah. I mean, it turned into West Side Story. It's West Side Story. There should have been some snapping. With some snapping. With some shittier costumes and no music. We're going to fight. We're going to fight. Joker. We're going to fight. Bane. I don't know. The city had been cut off for a while. Maybe they had done all their threatening shots into the air and wasted too much time. That's a fine point, Mandy. That's a fine point. Yeah. There were too many birthday parties where they had to fire their machine guns in the air. All right. So let's get, let's get to the meat of this fantastic podcast. We've got everybody here. We're all ready. Look, if you all have a birthday on the same week. And we have to celebrate them all in one party. We're not, we're not stealing four cakes. Oh, what a beautiful, what a beautiful cake. That would be awesome. So let's talk about it. Buffy. Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Sorry, Ed. No, I don't hate Buffy. Did you watch any? You don't like Buffy? No, I got, I got into it way late. Well, no, I can't say I got into it. I'm not even going to actually come into it. But here's the thing. I get it. I get the difference between the movie and the show. Like the movie. The movie, of course, was like a camp romp. You know what I'm saying? And they did kind of a green arrow version of it for the TV. You know, there was all this, the angel dude. He's just like, oh, I'm a bad guy, but your love will redeem me. Your vagina will save me. Well, basically. Well, he's actually cursed. No, the vagina made him evil. Well, whatever. Yeah, love made him evil. Because he's cursed to never be able to love. It wasn't just pussy. It was loving pussy. He can bang anything he wants as long as he doesn't love it. But it's like classic, you know, you can't have it. You don't find that out for years, though. No. The science of that, though, is kind of shaky. Because, like, you know, there's been, like, studies that prove that, you know, the same kind of love, you know, you feel, you get the same chemical reaction in your brain from certain types of food or certain types of other things. Like, what if he just had a really bomb-ass candy bar one day? This is so delicious. When you sneeze, you have, like, a fourth of an orgasm. So if he just got into some cayenne, he's just going, oh, God, I'm evil. I don't think ancient gypsy curses are that concerned with the science of candy bars. I mean, magic is just science we don't know yet. I'm not going to shut up. I'm not going to ever say anything about Disney again, I promise. What I always, I mean, I loved Buffy. You know, one of the funny things is, I mean, as much as you love Buffy the Vampire Slayer herself, I don't really, I was all about, I was about the other characters. Well, she was the weak, I think she was the weakest, well, for one, I think she was the weakest. She was the weakest actor on the show. Yeah. And for two, I think that she, in a lot of times, was the weakest character. What made that show so interesting was the group dynamic and all the other characters that were so rich. To be fair to her, she was the, she was, like, by far the youngest, right? She was much, much younger. All the other high schoolers were, like, 25. Yeah. She was, like, actually 16 when she started that show. There was a couple of them who had hit 30 before the show. Yeah, Nicholas Brendan, I think, was 40 when they started. Cordelia. He was actually older than her. Charisma Carpenter. And Giles. Was at least 30. I think she was 31. Oh, yeah. Yeah. She looks fantastic. I would make out with her. For being 83 years old. She's got a Helen Mirren thing going. Nice. The group keeper's got some nice tits, guys. The, okay, the thing about, from a distance, all right, well, let's deal with this Buffy. From a distance. Let's deal with this Buffy thing real quick. Let's deal with this Buffy thing. Okay. I always felt that way. It was always, oh, Xander's the best. No, you know what? I think, oh, this is the best character. Maybe Willow's the best character. Spike is the best character. Oh, no, Willow. Andrew's the best character. And you're always, like, going to all those different ones. And I think I've said this before on the podcast, that, like, as I get older, like, the older I get, the more I identify with Buffy more than anybody else. Like, if you've had your friends, if you've had to, like, DD for your friends a few times, like, especially, like, if you have, like, fucking. If you're the one with. I'll be like, oh. Like, let's be fair here. Fucking comedians. Yes. Oh, God. I have to drive around drunk comedians? Yes. How many times have you ever had to deal with these people? And the more you do that, the more you go, you know what? I feel like I might be the put-upon chosen one. You know what I mean? I guess in that situation, I don't know, because I'm just always Xander there. Oh, yeah. Well, no, when I run the mic, you know, that's my Buffy time. Oh, yeah, yeah. Right. And, like, when you're the responsible person, you're like, oh, yeah, that's right. She has a really shitty time of it. And she still makes quits. And does the thing. And gets through it every day. And it's like, she is the one that we need to look up to in the end. In that way, she's a lot like, she's got a Superman thing going on. You know? Just in that whole thing of, like, she could blow this off. Right, right. She could use these secret gifts for evil. But she doesn't have the weakness of Superman, which is, you know, kryptonite and mind control. Alter ego. Magic. And a villain that can actually beat her. Yeah. Well. You know, like, she has, like, every villain can beat her. Oh, yeah. That's the best. And that's what makes it so great. Right. She's going out every night. And every one of those vampires is not equal to her, but still pretty fucking good. Yeah. Like, like a cop. Like, a cop is better trained than most criminals he faces. But any one of those criminals, any fucking day, can pull the trigger at the right second and take him out. And that's what she's dealing with. Yeah. Yeah. Because she could be killed by any vampire. She does pretty good against your lackeys. Your lackey vampires. Most of the time. But there's that season five episode. She's like a level 34. And they're like, you know, level six. Like, yeah. Right. But that's when they deal with that in that season five episode where a vampire gets a lucky blow against her. Oh, yeah. And she stakes her with her own stake in the gut. Yeah. And she almost fucking dies. Yeah. And it's a normal vampire. And she's like, what the hell? And it's like, oh, yeah. That's how almost all of you die. Like, not from the big, like. Some random vampire. Yeah. She goes and like, look. The history of it is like, yeah, because you fight a random vampire every single day. Like, that's. And all it takes is one mistake. All it takes is one. Right. And so she talks to Spike about like. What are the physics of the vampires in Buffy? Like, I've seen a couple episodes and stuff, but I still don't get it. Like, what can they do and what can't they do? Well, they're stronger. They can jump higher. They're faster. Yeah. They all know Kung Fu. So they are. For some reason. They are superhuman. And they make jokes about that. Like, because basically to have a good fight, you know, like, like they choreograph it. They make. They basically have them, you know, they do a little martial arts at each other. The ones that can't fight. Those are the ones she stakes in two seconds. Yeah. I guess that's fair. But yeah. But most of them. An inordinate number of them can fight pretty well just because it's the needs of a show that has action fighting. Well, here's something I've thought about. I mean, the fact that they hang a lantern on things like that. Like, like she's fighting this vampire one time and she's like, and she's like, look, I, this, this is how this is going to end. I'm going to kill you. I'm the slayer. It's what. It's what I do. And he's like, I don't know. Got all this undead strength. Plus I took like three years of Taekwondo like right before I died. So that's right. That's right. Yeah. That was awesome. That's a good line. I always, uh, something I was thinking about was like with vampires, uh, you'd think if they'd lived long enough. I mean, if these are newly risen vampires, obviously, you know, they haven't lived that long, but if you're, if you're talking to your 50 or 60 years or even a hundred or 200 years, there's a chance that they've studied martial arts for a hundred years. Absolutely. And I don't know if you've. I don't know if you've ever, if any of you guys have taken martial arts or ever sparred with somebody or anything like that. I'm a pretty good martial artist. And the guy I, I, I got, got taught from, he can catch my fist out of the air. He's slower than me. He's older than me. He's way stronger than me, but he's, he's slower than me. He just is like, I just know what you're doing. Yeah. And, and, uh, and if a guy studied martial arts for a hundred years, I don't care what you're doing. You're telegraphing your hits, man. He would know everything you're doing and just destroy you on top of having super speed and on top of. He'd probably just attack you. He'd probably just attack you from the right. Yeah. Right now. That's an iPads joke on fucking radio. We got a camera. Okay. But here's, here's the thing about, uh, uh, Kung Fu fighting though. Uh, first of all, you gotta get trained. Okay. I don't give a shit if you sit down for a hundred years with the Jeet Kune Do book and a bunch of drawings, you're not going to learn how to do Kung Fu. You gotta go to class. Yep. And who the fuck teaches karate class at night really? Or to a guy who wants to eat them. Just go turn. I don't know. I don't know. Some Kung Fu guy into a vampire. Yeah. And then. And then. And then kick your fucking ass for making him a vampire. Uh, you go, you go find, uh, Kung Fu schools in like Iceland and, uh, uh, Scandinavia, But you gotta put a bunch of dirt in your casket type thing. Get shipped over there. Get a familiar to guard your body during the day. Oh my God. Immortality is such a chore. It's just logistics, baby. The logistics of being a vampire. Think about it. You don't have to be independently wealthy to be a fucking vampire. Yeah. And then also when are you going to play video games? Or live in the sewer. Or, yeah. Like to kind of have it. You see that. Or farting a gang of vampires. Occasionally you see. To join. Occasionally you see a vampire like in a, a nice mansion or something like that. But most of the time, yeah, they're living in like rundown shacks. They live in like foreclosed homes and things like that. Like they live places where fucking hobos live. You mean there's some kind of vampire too. They dress in like, they dress in like, you know. And I tell you, I would take night classes immediately. If I was a vampire on business class, you know, take some business classes, start a, start a business. I don't know. Something to do with blood, I guess. I mean, you can do everything online now. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, see here. A vampire with a University of Phoenix degree. Yeah. As a vampire, you could learn TVVCR repair. Vampire who went to ITT Tech. Manufacturing. Now do you guys. Medical billing. Does anyone have a, like a favorite Buffy? Like a favorite episode? Oh yeah. What's your favorite? That's too, that's tough. That's too tough. It's a really tough one. But I, I always have to. Come back to the body. Which one's the body remind me? The body is the one. What happens in it. I don't know all the names of them. The body is the one where. Spoiler alert. Yeah. Spoiler alert. If you haven't watched Buffy, you're an asshole. It's a pretty big spoiler. Buffy's mom dies. Okay. She doesn't get murdered by a beast or whatever. Like she gets sick and she dies. I remember that. And the whole episode is just, it starts with her discovering the body and in calling the, calling the ambulance and everything. And they just, they capture the. Physicality of it so well. That is a really good one. They, they capture the immediacy of this is what, this is exactly what happens in those six to 12 hours after this person dies, waiting for the ambulance to come and you're sitting there with this dead body and then being in the hospital and knowing that the dead body is like this far down the hallway, you know, and everybody else, you know, who are the friends who's, you know, who's best friend in the world just lost her mom are all standing around. Yeah. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do for her. I don't know what to do for me. Like it has nothing to do really with vampires or monsters at all. It's all about that. And it really captures that sick emptiness that you feel in the wake of something like the best portrayal of, uh, of dealing with death of the death of a loved one in TV or movies ever. I would ever, I wouldn't argue with that. It's pretty amazing. Yeah. I would say it's, it's up there. I don't know if I would say it's the best. It's the best ever. I mean, except for, uh, except for the expendables. All right. Jesus Christ. Well, expendables obviously don't protect. Fuck it. Move on. But that is one of my favorite. When Terry Drews cries every time he chops a guy in half. When he's like, uh, yeah, nevermind. But it has one of my favorite lines in it, in anything ever, in any, in any medium, in any, in any format. One of my favorite lines, when Anya is freaking out because she doesn't understand death. She doesn't know what it is. She doesn't know what it is. She's never had to deal with it. And when she has that, what is it she says? She says, uh, you know, she, she'll never brush her hair again. Yeah. And she's, and she's like, this is stupid. It's stupid. Death is stupid. And no one will tell me why. No one has an answer. Why? Like it's, it's, it just captures that, like that innocent reaction to losing a loved one so well. I gotta check that out. Yeah. It's devastating. Every time I see it, I bawl. Start from Ed, start from, I would say season one finale. Yeah. If you, like, if we really want to get him into the show, I would say season one finale and then just go on from there. Just hit the ground running from there. Unless you're really into monster of the week type stuff, then season one's okay. I really, I mean, I enjoy some of season one. Yeah. A lot. Like the puppet show. The puppet show is like one of the best episodes. That's the one where they're quiet, right? It's so good. Which one? No, no, no. That's Hush. That's Hush. Hush is my, probably my favorite. That's such a great episode. That thing scared the shit out of me. I'm getting tingles right now thinking about that episode. Those monsters. Those creepy fucking monsters. Real quick, if you are like Ed. And then the musical, by the way. Oh yeah. Totally awesome. If you are like Ed and you have never seen Buffy and it looks stupid to you, the whole thing is, yes, it looks stupid from a distance. We've talked about this on our podcast a couple of times. On our Buffy episode, on our Robocop episode. Like it's a thing that, you know what? Sometimes people have ideas and they seem very strange from a distance. Superman, if you didn't grow up with it, probably seemed really fucking weird. When you've got like these two old guys, you know, in your office going like, okay. And he went, it's like, okay. And he can jump really high. You know, it probably seems ridiculous. But the point is sometimes things click into place and it's the execution. It's the execution that nails it. And Buffy is the best executed television show that's ever been on TV. I certainly enjoy every single episode. Yeah. I mean, I remember I watched every episode and I remember feeling something or laughing or enjoying some part of every single episode I've watched. Absolutely. Even if there are things that you have misgivings about, like the way they hit everything, the jokes that they make about stuff. Like that's- And Joss Whedon's ability to make everyone feel like they're in danger all the time. Yeah. And the kill fuckers. I just realized what my favorite episode is. Oh, cool. The Xander one. Oh, the Zeppo. The Zeppo. Yeah. So there's basically a Rosencrantz and Guildenstern episode where it just follows Xander, the side character. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know? Like obviously it'll cut to like the Beast story, like just, oh, they just slayed a giant monster. We're going to cut to that for two seconds and back to Xander and he's joining a zombie gang. Whenever they cut to them, they're being super serious and this could be the last time I see you, whatever. And it's making fun of the melodrama that's inherent in the show. And then it cuts back to the Xander story, which is just hilarious and amazing. Yeah. That was a great episode. Genius. That was a fantastic episode. I also like the Halloween one where Xander gets to be a badass because he gets the army costume and becomes a badass. It's like saving everybody's ass. Yeah. Well, and then Buffy's wearing a princess costume, so she's absolutely useless in that episode. I love that. It's fantastic. You know, if she had been dressed as Mulan, she would not have been useless. Yeah, she would have been pretty badass. The only Disney princess worthwhile. Pocahontas even. Pocahontas, yeah, because she like can hunt and stuff. Be a man. And talk to animals or something. I'm not really sure what her story is. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I'm not sure what her superpowers are. Pirate Ron likes to sing a lot. Yeah, I guess so. But I feel like Xander- Ron of Penzance. I'm a Xander. I'm not a Buffy. I'm not a Will. I don't have magic. I don't have superpowers. I'm like the person in the background going, okay, well, you guys seem like you have this, so I'm gonna go not die over here. Do you need research? I can look in a book. Yeah. Yeah. Like he's so relatable as like just- And he does have the most honest- He's so honest. And he also, his bad luck with women. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That is hilarious. Every woman he ends up dating tries to kill him or- Or dies. Yeah. Yeah. But to be fair, he gets to bang some really hot girls before they try to kill him. That's true. Oh, hey, we got a sound thing with this Buffy. Why can't you just masturbate like the rest of us? Yeah. He found a Buffy soundboard? Yeah. Well, we just have a couple of little things that our good friend Rich Slayton put together for us. I have to say though, the music in both the musical and in Hush and in Restless, the one where they're all dreaming, I play that all the time while I'm writing. Oh, the dream episode. It's so, so good. There's so many good episodes. No, it's so fucking brilliant. The music when she's in the desert is one of my favorite things to write to. It's brilliant. The episode is so brilliant because it's after what should be the finale. Right. They did the big action set piece thing for the second to last episode. The second to last episode of the season. And for the finale of season four, it's, oh yeah, they're all resting after that. We're going to go home and sleep. Yeah, they're sleeping it off and it's in their dreams. Something is trying to kill them in their dreams. Fucking awesome. Because they did that big spell where they had their whole, where they all combined their souls or whatever. There's the price to be paid for that big magic thing that they did to win the day. They're paying the price for it, which is they woke this thing up and now it's trying to kill them. It's funny. It's such a good episode too. Badass. In that episode too, they really hit home of why Xander's important. Not in the dream episode, but the one before when they all come together, they kind of like, if I'm remembering correctly, that's sort of the episode where it's like, no, Xander is really like, yeah, sure. He's an important part. He can't fight. He doesn't do magic. He doesn't have any superpowers. He's not even really that smart. But like him, he's the glue. Like him being there, him being there for them. And being a consistent. As moral support. That's an important thing. And being a consistent like friend and source of person who doesn't give up despite the odds. Also, someone needs to watch Dawn when things are, you know. Yeah, obviously. Like he babysits so much. Because who knows what Dawn's going to do. Dawn is a bad decision machine. Yeah. She's like lies in Three's company for Buffy. Like that's, she's the one who just made shit, bad shit happen. Number one. Number two. Number three. Number four. Number five. Number six. Number seven. Number eight. Number nine. Number twenty. Number twenty. Number twenty. Number twenty. Number twenty. Number twenty. Number twenty. Number twenty. Number twenty. Number twenty. Number twenty. Number twenty. Number twenty. Number twenty. Number twenty. Number twenty. Number twenty. Number twenty. Number twenty. of the time making new babies. Exactly. That should have a flash forward. Why isn't everybody on that show just fucking all the time? I know I would be. That's what I was going to say. They do the flash forward to Carl trying to find somebody to fuck after they're all dead. Yeah. And he's like 11, by the way, because they're not long for the world. They're all dying. And Carl's just going to be like, man, who am I going to fuck, bro? Who am I going to fuck, bro? I want that to be the line. I want that to be the final line of that series. I want the series to end with Carl going, who am I going to fuck, bro? It's just the poster for season nine. It's just Carl standing there silhouetted on the road, you know, with the gun down or whatever. Just the words written in blood, who am I going to fuck, bro? He's dragging a deflated blow-up doll. Like an apocalypse blow-up doll. He's got an eye patch. You just have to press it on one side so it'll inflate where you need it. So here's the question. Here's the thing. This is something I was thinking about with Buffy. Do you think that the sympathetic vampires in Buffy, that being Spike and Angel, possibly sparked evil into our world? That being Twilight. What are you talking about? Oh, he's saying no. No. Because that's sort of... Because they were anomalies. Nah, I don't... Good writing doesn't inspire bad writing. Oh, I don't think that's true. I don't think that's true. That's not true. Bad writing. No. No. No. Good writing inspires people to write shitty Lovecraft fan fiction stories, if you read, you know. I'm saying she was going to write bullshit no matter what. It wasn't Buffy that caused her to write bullshit. She was... But... It may have inspired her to include... It was Mormonism that caused her to write bullshit. I'm saying it may have inspired her... Sympathetic vampires, though. It may have inspired her to include vampires in her stupid anti-feminist bullshit. Well, she obviously didn't know what vampires were when she wrote that. Yeah, so obviously she wasn't inspired by Buffy. That's a fair point. I honestly don't think that she originally wrote them as vampires. I think she originally wrote them as elves or something. Because like... And then she was like, I think vampires are popular. Let's do this. Like, come on. No, I agree with that. It actually makes a lot of sense that she shoehorned the vampire thing in. Yeah, that does make sense. I think that there was something else and then she just was like, oh. No, and yeah, she created a new thing and she was like, I call them fireons or whatever. And the... Jesus fucking Christ. The publisher was like, yeah, we're going to call them vampires. Yeah. I'm glad she has a black editor-in-chief. What the fuck? Nah, shit, motherfucker. We're going to call them vampires. Oh, shit. Sweet Christmas. This is going to make some money. Sweet Christmas. This is going to make so much money. Welcome to Vampires. Hey, Mormon bitch. We're going to be sparkling all the way. Hey, Mormon bitch. Get your shit together. Hey, Mormon bitch. Shut the fuck up. Sit down. I got something for you. Because you know Luke Cage would get into publishing if it made it. Hey, he's an editor for hire. We made some serious bank. Now, who am I going to fuck, bro? Hey, bitch, you need to be more relatable. My God, I love Luke Cage. I'm trying to think if there were... Team Jacob like a mother. I'm trying to think of sympathetic vampires before Buffy. That's what I'm saying. There's not many. Well, the Coppola version of Dracula. Yeah, Coppola's Dracula. And, well, I mean... And I guess Anne Rice. To some degree, Stoker's Dracula. Yeah. We forgot about that. Very, I mean, it's very romantic. Yeah, but they still want to eat fuckers. But so do the vampires in her thing. Like, she just has like, oh, well, this little group of them, they don't do it because they're so noble. But that's what I'm talking about is, and I don't think vampires are like that. They're like, I'm going to eat that chick. I don't care who she is. I think they're goddamn maniacs who eat. That's like, you know what I mean? It's like... But yeah, Anne Rice did do all that shit way before. Except, I mean, she was an actual good writer. Like, think, you know, have a whatever opinion about, like, about, you know, the books, about the stuff, the things that happen in those, whatever. But I mean, like, you know, she could write. Yeah. And she wrote a bunch of books. But I also think... Different books. Where different stuff happened. I think some negative things came out of Buffy, is what I'm saying. I agree. No, I'll agree with that. Like, I mean... I think there's something to be said for the fact that these were... You know what it is? You know what Buffy... They were young and hip, relatable vampires. Buffy was Nirvana, Alice in Jane's, and Pearl Jam to Creed. You see what I'm saying? To Buffy? To Twilight's Creed. Yeah. Buffy inspired Bella. Twilight's Nickelback. Yeah, exactly. And Stephanie Meyer missed the point. Yeah. Okay, well... But at the same time... I feel like Stephanie Meyer has missed the point with a lot of things. Yeah, me too. Like, if she was like... She also called herself the god of writing, apparently. There's, like, apparently a quote where she's like, or God put me on Earth to teach people what good writing is. That bitch doesn't know what a moat is. I don't know if that's a real quote from her, but someone said that that's a quote from her. And then, apparently, J.K. Rowling just laughed. What were you gonna say, Mandy? Oh, I was just saying, like, if she looked at Buffy and said, that chick, like, kicks ass, takes care of everything, and, you know, has useful friends who care about her, then I... My inspiration for that, I'm going to create this girl who just sits around waiting for some guy to come be her boyfriend because she can't have a life. Okay, well, let me say this, though. Bella's the anti-Buffy, for sure. She's the anti-Buffy. And I agree. I agree with that. I 100% agree with that. But I think that you don't look, and this is not to be offensive towards you or anything, Mandy. Wait, what? You're not a regular girl. Regular girls don't look at... I think that's already offensive. Yeah, I'm offended. You're a regular girl. Well, because you're... You're irregular. You're uniquely... You have a unique perspective. By the way... You pay attention to things, and you actually care about stuff like that. But I'll give you an example. One of my favorite shows is Supernatural. Ron Swallow, feminist, ladies and gentlemen. One of my favorite shows... All bitches be dumb, but you... Yeah, well, no. That's not true. But a lot of girls, they wouldn't look at how cool Buffy is. Some of them would, obviously. Yeah. What they would look at is how romantic and hot all the vampire dudes are. Especially if you're a teenager at the time that Buffy came out. Especially then. And here's the thing... But I think... But I don't necessarily agree with that because I think that from Buffy, they would gather some empowerment. Of course they would. But from Twilight, they would only... They would only gather the, oh, these boys are hot. Yes. Because there's nothing else there. But that's what I'm saying is that's what she decided to do with that. Yeah, exactly. And people have decided to do that because of... I have to completely disagree. That's like blaming video games for people shooting up a school. No, it's not. No, it's not. I don't think it's like that at all. She was an idiot and an anti-feminist before. Buffy didn't turn her into an idiot and didn't turn her into an anti-feminist. I'm not saying Buffy turned her into it. I'm saying... That that influenced a culture. You can't blame good art for bad art. It's not about blame. People are going to find something to make bad. I actually can. That's the thing. People are going to find something to make bad art of. It's not going to... But you know what? You know what? I totally agree with that point, but the point is this. What's in that candy express box? The green lighting of bad art is because good art succeeded. There's a reason why fucking... There's a reason why fucking... The Teen Wolf got rebooted now. Is it because of Team Jacob? Am I the only one that kind of digs that show? Yeah, it is. You like it? It doesn't matter if it's good or not. I've only seen... It doesn't matter if it's good or not. The fact that it exists is because of Team Jacob. You could trace the lineage right back, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the bottom line is when Buffy makes vampires hot for a second, you know what I'm saying? And it makes them capable. It makes them people, for lack of a better word. Then when Homegirl sees it, she goes, you know what's broken about this show? This bitch is too empowered. We just can't relate to this shit. This is like the niggas watching the Cosby show. We can't relate to this shit. I hope that she uses the N-word in her brain too. I hope she does. But it's just one of those things where it's like a lot of black people balked at the Cosby show because supposedly they didn't know Negroes like that. But people don't understand that it's cultural. And back in my family, supposedly there's been dudes in college since the 1890s. So fuck with that. But you know what I mean? But some inner city youth, oh, I can't do nothing but play basketball. I can't relate to that motherfucker. You know what I mean? So it's like, yeah, she did what she could do to dumb it down. And guess what? Chicks bought it. Not on Moss, but a whole bunch of them bought that shit. And I will point this out to you immediately. In music, bad music comes directly from good music. And I'll tell you why that happens. I disagree with that as well. You're wrong. And I'll tell you why. You're wrong. Because what happens is you have this great new style of music come out. And people are like, wow, new great style of music. And then someone says, hey, let's make another version of that music that's very similar, but a little bit simpler. And we just throw these dudes together really quick and put them out there. And that's when you get your third eye blind. That's the people who only take the aesthetic from something. But it happens in mass. No, it happens all the time. I think that happens with TV. That has nothing to do with good art. Because as Ed said, all of those shows were greenlit because of the success of Twilight. And Twilight, so Twilight became much more influential and it wasn't good. No, true. But that's the thing. It's about success. There are always going to be people chasing success and greenlining a bunch of bullshit because something else was successful. True. However, I will also say- That wasn't even that successful for a television show. Well, it had to start in eight years. That's why I did that. I wanted it. It's an argument. It's been four of its seven years. Yeah, it got canceled at least once and bought by another- Right. It got canceled after season five or during season five, whatever, and then got bought again by another network. I'm telling you, watch. A show's going to come out, watch. It's going to be about this ship, right? And there's people on the ship and they're blue coats, right? They're blue coats. Oh, God. And the blue coats are getting chased by these dudes with a sonic weapon. And there's a little boy on board who does kung fu. Are you pitching a show? That's weird. That show will do better than Firefly because it'll have a boy- Oh, my God. If they put Luke Cage on that show, I would watch the shit out of it. A show just like fucking Firefly, but with a boy instead of a girl, with a fucking badass instead of the doctor character, with the Nate Fillion being a hot bitch with her tits out all the time, will succeed more. I think you're describing Lex. Dude, exactly. But you know what I'm saying? It's just like when you modify shit just a little bit and make that stuff just a little bit more cliche, okay? It'll always win. However, I will also say that some great stuff has come out of Buffy. I mean, obviously, Angel. Oh, yeah. I know about what comes- You know what I'm saying? Anybody? What? Yeah. Is that a shit joke? Okay. Hot vaginas. Hot vaginas. Buffy's a squirter, guys. Yeah. But also, I mean, like my favorite show right now is Supernatural. And Supernatural, I will guarantee you it would not exist if it hadn't been for Buffy. Absolutely. And there's other shows similar to Supernatural I think you could even argue Fringe, Eureka, a lot of those, even those that are sci-fi and not like vampire fantasy. I think Fringe has a lot more to X-Files, but- Yeah, I guess that's true, too. But even X-Files might even be, I guess they were around the same time, though. X-Files? X-Files and Buffy were around the same time. Buffy, right? Yeah, X-Files was like four years, I think, before Buffy, maybe. Something like that, yeah. I want to say X-Files started in 93. Buffy started in 97. Something like that, yeah. X-Files started in 92. 92? Sorry, no, I believe- I started the year- I take it back. Buffy started, it was like 96 to 2003, I think. Yeah, because I think it was out of high school when Buffy started. Yeah, Buffy started when I was in high school, late. It was like my junior year, I think, is when it started. I'm old. Are you older than me? Yeah, I'm 36. I think Buffy started, I was still in elementary school. Mandy's young. Yeah. That's not what Blackwood does. I was a junior in high school when Buffy started. What great things have come out of Buffy? The Avengers. The movie, The Avengers. Joss Whedon. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I think every writer that came from that room was made just a ton better. Yeah, probably. I didn't like- They were all good, but I think that they were made a ton better. That doesn't mean that everything they've done has been perfect. But like- Fright Night remake. What's her name, Jan? Runaways. Marty Noxon is her name. Marty Noxon. Runaways is so good. The Fright Night- Not Joss Whedon's. Yeah, Joss Whedon's Runaways is terrible. But- Yeah. It wouldn't hurt so much if I didn't love it so much. The Fright Night remake was fine. It just wasn't- It was pointless to do it. I thought there were some things cool about it, but ultimately- Yeah, I mean, it was fine, just pointless. Yeah. I like Colin Farrell on it. Speaking of remakes, they're still not talking about remaking Buffy, right? Yeah, they have been for a long time. Yeah, but I mean, is that still- I've heard it's still on the table, but I think they'd be hard-pressed to get Joss to let them- To me, that seems like- Because I think he has- He has intellectual something or other control over that. To me, that seems like let's do another Mona Lisa. You know what I mean? I'm cool with the comics. It doesn't seem like- The comics are great. That's what I was going to bring up next. Let's paint another picture of that same chick. It sounds like, no, no, let's do another Mona Lisa because people love the Mona Lisa. Yeah. But instead of- Can we make her a redhead in this one? Bigger tits. Bigger tits. We got to have bigger tits. Just have an old- I don't know how you're going to have too much bigger tits in Sarah Michelle. Can she sparkle? Just have an old Sarah Michelle Gellar. Like old as in like 20, I guess. And fucking have her fucking train some new bitch. And there you go. David Hasselhoff. Who's the Mona Lisa going to fuck, bro? Who's the Mona Lisa going to fuck? Well, they almost- When Buffy ended, they almost did a- The best close to the angry dorks. They almost did a Faith spinoff, but Eliza Dushku decided she had better things to do and then I guess- Wrong turn, guys. Didn't. She had to do wrong turn. And then did Dollhouse. I love that that was both big and then wrong. So she was not successful on her own and then decided, oh, I didn't do this Faith thing, so I'm going to do this thing that would pretty much almost be a Faith spinoff. Yeah. Was that the thing where she saw dead people and stuff? No. Dollhouse? No, that was True Calling. Before Dollhouse, she did True Calling. Which also was not successful. I was like, no, I'm pretty sure she didn't see that in Dollhouse. And that's not even her, dude. That's the other one, right? What are you talking about other one? The other one with the big boobs. Not Eliza Dushku. That's Jennifer Love Hewitt Ghost Whisperer, I think. Oh, yeah. There were two shows about a brunette chick talking to... Which is the blonde chick who talks to dead people. Ghost Whisperers. I actually enjoy Ghost Whisperer. I'm not going to lie to you. Those titties. I enjoy Jennifer Love Hewitt. I think that's probably what I really enjoy. I don't really... Whatever. You read Playboy for the article, you ass motherfucker. We all watch Party of Five while having a party of one. Dance party. Does she even really need to do anything in that show or can she just show up and be like, here they are? I'm cool with that. They should just have it put a show on the CW that's called Jennifer Love Hewitt standing in front of a fan. Does everybody... Does everybody... Slowly turns. Well, and have you guys seen Vampire Diaries at all? No. I don't give a fuck. It's terrible. I didn't watch that. I didn't watch the... It's not as terrible as like a lot of the other stuff. I can almost ignore it. Like it's my girlfriend and her best friend watch it and it doesn't like... It doesn't make me want to kill anybody. Like it's so bad. You know what I mean? It's not that bad but it's sort of like... It's just like to me, it's like, what's the point of this? Yeah, that's almost worse. I haven't seen it but I do know that the process behind that is the same as that of Pretty Little Liars which is that they are made as books and television shows at the same time and they're made very mercenary. Basically, they're going like, what can we put together to capture this market? They're basically made exactly the same way that Garfield was made. They're like, hey, little girls like this, this, this and this and they're going to watch the shit out of this fucking show. And Lorenzo's music's dead but Lorenzo's music is dead. Let's get Bill Murray. Well, and Supernatural, by the way, has a huge female fan base if you weren't aware. Well, I mean, but you know what? You can't blame that stuff because it's just like, I saw the promo for two... But it's a good show. I saw the Super Bowl promo for two girls and thought about DVR and that shit. What? You know what I mean? Dude, Homegirls tits are fucking nuts. Yeah, they're amazing. Dude, Homegirls tits are nuts. When we were watching the Super Bowl, me and Ed were just like, just re-watch Thor. Just re-watch Thor. You can see them in Thor. He can talk to ghosts. What? That Kat Deniz bitch is in Thor? Oh, wait. Yeah, she is. She's in Thor. She's not even throwing her tits, though. She's trying to look all smart and shit. Get out of here. No, because Natalie Portman has to be the pretty one even though Kat Deniz is obviously prettier. Way harder. Kat Deniz tits are all over that movie. Way harder. Look, I'm not gonna lie to you. I would have sex with either one of them. Well, yeah, of course. Yeah, welcome to being a person. Yeah, but with Natalie Portman, you have to be ready for that insane sex because she's a crazy person. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, you gotta get ready for that black swan. Maybe you would fuck either of them. Yeah, I don't get it. That is true. That would fuck either of them. Like, it's, come on. Right, right. That's a good point. Way to go out on a limb, Swallow. But I'm just saying, like, you know, like, you'll watch anything for, like, hot chicks. Like, I thought about starting to watch that show. I am a smart person. I thought about starting to watch that show so I could look at that bitch. So I could understand, like, some regular-ass teenage girl looking at some hot dudes while they're doing magic. Hello. Yeah. That's killing bad guys. I don't know if you guys have seen White Collar, but Matt Bomer is so good-looking that, like, I'm pretty sure that's the only reason that that show exists. Oh, my God. I watched that show. I don't even know what it's about. It's a 40-minute excuse to get that guy shirtless. It's just one of those shows on USA we were talking about. Well, and actually, it's one of those USA shows that nobody fucking watches. Which just brings us back to Arrow. That dude has his shirt off quite a lot. And he is ripped like a motherfucker. He is. He also played Jeffrey Dahmer, though, so I don't know. Well. That just shows his rage. Does everybody have a... We've all played Jeffrey Dahmer, right? I mean, I'm not... What? What are you guys looking at me for? That's my favorite game to play as a kid. Jeffrey Dahmer. Not Cowboys and Indians. It was Jeffrey Dahmer and Victims. Nice. That's it. Okay, now you come over to my house, okay? Then we'll listen to my albums, okay? Then I'll put this in your drink, and then I'll hump on your butt, okay? And then I'll whip out my plastic. I'll use a knife, and I'll chop your arms off, okay? So you gotta put your arm behind your back, and I'll chop off your arm. How do you know the floor is lava? How do I win this game? I'll know the floor is lava. Does everybody have a... The thing about... Okay. I'm gonna say right now, while we've got a minute, my favorite episode of Buffy is the season five finale because I feel like it's just the perfect... It's the epitome of what a Buffy episode is. It's got everything. Remind me of how that runs. Remind me. It's the final episode. It's called The Gift. It's where she fights Glory. Yeah. Okay. It's got the action. It's got the heart. It's got the sad moments. It's got the... It's just everything. It hits everything. I love the episode before that, too, where they're on the run in the Winnebago. That is so good. Everything in that season comes up, basically. Even the ridiculous Anya troll god episode thing comes up because she ends up using that hammer to beat ass. It's so perfectly... It's the most probably comic book-y episode, but it just... It pulls in everything from the series up to now because it was supposed to be the series finale. Well, that show had everything. I mean, it had westerns. It had chop sake. It had fucking... It was all... Any kind of sci-fi. Well, and that's what I was going to say. In conclusion, I think we can all agree... That episode had a... Yeah. That Buffy was... There were nights in that episode. There were frigging nights in that episode. That was amazing. The Buffy was the more positive... It was definitely more positive than negative. We can all agree on that. That it created more goodness than badness. I don't know how you can call it negative. Like, I seriously don't... I still... That's because you have a weird... We have a minute left. That's because you have a strange outlook where you believe somehow that positivity will create other positivity when in the real world that never, ever happens. Can I ask a question real quick? Yeah. Speaking of negativity, does everybody here have a favorite big bad from the show? Oh. I still like the musical demon guy. Yeah? Yep. I'm still going to enjoy him. I always enjoyed Mr. Trick. Oh, yeah. Mr. Trick. The, uh... Pfft. You know, the swords, whatever. Motherfucker should have... I'm going to go with when Harmony decided she was going to try her hand at evil. Yes. Oh, yes. Yes. And it's just so freaking adorable. Mine is the three. I like the three. Hey, thanks, Ed, for hanging out with us. That's my favorite. Hey, I'm drawing pictures of that girl. And I had a good time. I got some good shit off that thing about, you know, who am I? Fuck, bro. That's pretty good. That was awesome. That was actually great. Seriously, though, watch the show. Give it a good watch. It's on Netflix Instant. It's so good. You're going to be surprised. The fact that it's feminist, I like that. And there are beats. Okay. Plug. At Ed Greer Destroys. At Dorky Swallow. We actually have an Angry Dorks one now. At Andy underscore sell. And at Matt Blackwood and check out our podcast, What Were We Talking About? And Angry Dorks, every Monday, 6 to 7 p.m. Yay! Good night, guys. Yay! Buffy! You won't believe your eyes. What's the X? What's the Y? We rise. Yoda. For your theater, for your hater. You love it.