Interview with Courage You Bastards, plus a caller from Southgate

People have powerful feelings about the traffic in Los Angeles. It says something that local officials warned motorists about a temporary roadwork closure on the 405 last year by calling it Carmageddon. Angelenos took the hint, and this weekend they're expected to steer clear of the latest 405 closure, named, of course, Carmageddon 2. That's how it is in L.A., a snarl of overstuffed freeways and commuters who keep their cool, except when they don't. KPCC's Steven Cuevas has this profile of a punk rocker whose music expresses the insanity of L.A. traffic while extolling the virtues of public transit. Couple of things you need to know about Eddie Solis. He lives in L.A., loves the band Kiss, and does not own a car. Being someone who's from L.A., born and raised, and, you know, having a few cars in my past, I saw the city much differently through a different perspective through the eyes of a bus rider. Come on, just all the way to the back. Line 18, Wilshire, Western Station. Just steps from the front door of his home, across the street from a tortilla factory in L.A.'s Boyle Heights neighborhood, Solis catches a bus that connects him with the city's subway, and the commuter train he catches to his day job at an indie record label in Hollywood. It just opened me up to, like, little neighborhoods, galleries, clubs, bars, just everything. Just seeing what's out there, little pockets of the city. Solis' journeys aboard L.A. buses and subway cars informs a lot of the material on The New Los Angeles Part One, Through the Eyes of a Bus Rider, the latest release by the singer-guitarist band It's Casual. The New Los Angeles No one has been wet In Solis' vision of a new Los Angeles, people abandon their cars, climb aboard public transit, and rediscover their communities. One song extols the virtues of the L.A. County Metropolitan Transit Agency's E-ZPass, and the urban underbelly it introduces to the rider. And that's, like, a nod, an homage to, you know, the people who know what you can even go cheaper, and really beat the system, and really steer away from spending money on gas and oil profits and all that. To these dollars is all it takes For me to get to work To these dollars is all it takes Is all it takes for me to get to work For me to witness racial tension For me to witness illegal aliens It's not to paint a negative picture It's just my perspective of what is seen E-ZPass Off the bus and back on the street, we make our way past a jazz saxophonist playing for pocket change and down a long escalator to catch a train. So, where are we now? We're at the Red Line Station. The Pershing Square Station in downtown L.A. And what's our destination? We're going to go downstairs another tier, and in about five minutes we're going to get on the Red Line going northbound. Okay, let's go. The Metro Red Line snakes from North Hollywood to downtown Los Angeles. It's the train that inspired its casuals' signature tune and spawned a viral internet video. It was partly filmed late at night on a moving train as it hurtles from station to station. Solis thrashes away on his guitar and barks the lyrics. Which celebrate the Red Line and call out the congested freeways that coil around Los Angeles. This is a Metro Red Line train to North Hollywood. The 210-605, the freeways are not so nice. The I-5, the 210, the freeways are not so nice. The thread that comes out of the record that ties everyone together is just like, be alive, don't be a victim of having a car. The 210, the 605, the freeways are not so nice. The I-5, the I-10, the freeways are not so nice. The Red Line, the Red Line. An MTA spokesman said he couldn't comment on Eddie Solis' furious pro-Metro message, but the Red Line video was a hit at the offices of Move LA. Eddie's done a good job. Thank you, Eddie. The public transportation advocacy group headed by former Santa Monica Mayor Denny Zane, he liked the juxtaposition of Solis blissfully riding LA public transit in one scene with scenes of the band raging against those notorious freeway jams. Eddie is all frantic when he talks about highways and so mellow when he's like grooving on his skateboard and on the bus and on the Red Line. There's a metaphor for the transformation, you know, from the, you know, my God, I just got to get out of this. traffic to, hey, this is cool. I can mellow out. Or you can blast the tune like too many people as you claw your way across Los Angeles, a car, bus or skateboard. Los Angeles. There's too many people. I want them to go away. Criminality takes a flight. Too many people could also be a motto for its casualty. Over the years, the band whittled itself down to a power duo of Solis and a rotating cast of drummers. So you may think the burly bearded punk rocker just can't get along with freeways, with people or his native LA. Not true. I love it. I love everything about it. I've traveled throughout the U.S. many times and I could never look forward enough to coming back. The weather, the different cultures, the landscape. I was just like, you know what? Now I know why everyone moves to LA. Solis will bring the love and the volume during a Red Line mini tour next month. Its casual will play a different venue within walking distance of several Red Line metro stops from Union Station to West Hollywood. For the California Report, I'm Stephen Cuevas. I was my driver last night. I was my driver last night. I was my driver last night. The news director is Bruce Kuhn. I'm Rachel Miro. Thanks for listening and have a great weekend. This is the California Report. 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The 101, the 101, the 80, the 210, the 605 The 101, the 405, the 80, the freeways are not so nice The red light The red light The red light The red light The red light The red light The red light The red light The red light Trio web series that he worked on and it shows the credits and Adams did some great work on there. Yeah, I did various crew jobs and stuff. It was Angela Boatwright's operation. It was a very classy deal. Cool. And there you have it. Heavycreamzine.com is the website to order your publication. We're doing a value add. Get a six pack of Stoked Records and it's casual stickers with every purchase. And my in-studio guest tonight is a group from greater Los Angeles area. There's a little bit of this, a little bit of that, a little bit of that. Huntington Park, East LA, Echo Park, Monterey Park. Courage you bastards. What's up, Anthony? Hey, how you doing, Eddie? Good, good. Talk a little bit into the mic here. A little closer. Everyone, a little closer. Get a little closer. Hey, yeah, no, I'm excited to have you guys. Been checking you guys out for a while and we're actually playing a show together. It's going to be Saturday, May 31st. We're going to commemorate the 10-year anniversary of a significant skateboard shop in Whittier, California called Two Felons. And they've already got over that, you know, that hump four years and they're doing well and we're playing the official after party with you guys. We're looking forward to that. Phoenix 5-4. So is that your next show? Yeah. Alright, so I got four guys in front of me. Let's start from my left and to Anthony's right. Come up and tell us your name and your occupation in the band. Name's Adrian. I play the drums. Alright. And you're the guy from East LA, Monterey Park area. Yes. Like, like ELAC area? Exactly, right there, yeah. Did you go to Brightwood Elementary School? No, I didn't. I went to Brightwood. You know Brightwood? Yeah, I know where Brightwood's at. Awesome. Awesome. Okay. Joey from Huntington Park. Alright. I went to Garfield. Garfield. Woo! Alright. And you're a Huntington Park guy. Right. I got some HP questions, man. Maywood, cut a H. We're going to go deep. Nice. Okay. Anthony. Anthony Godoy. Yeah, it's me. I'm from HP as well. A couple blocks away from Joey and I went to Bravo High. Bravo? Yeah. Cool. And what's your occupation? I work for the school district as an IT guy. Oh. In the band. No. That's fine. That's what I use. Smart people play punk rock. I hang out with the band. He does that on stage too. You don't do nothing. You just stand there, right? I mimic a bass player. Yeah. He tries to play bass. And Dead Center, the gentleman. What's up, man? I'm Mike. I'm the... lead vocalist, I guess you could say. Frontman and lead vocalist. Cool. And where do you reside? I'm over in Cypress Park, Highland Park. Alright. Right by the goal line. There you go, man. That's it. That's awesome. It's a short walk. That's awesome. I love it. You know, Adam. Yes. You know, Adam's from Santa Barbara. Yes. Now, have you been to all these cities? I'm born and raised in LA. I always give the speech. 138 episodes. You know this. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Huntington Park. You been there? Huntington? I'm not sure. Where exactly is it? It's like right by Southgate. What? Roughly. Maywood. Downey? The Garden's Downey. Downey. Yeah, yeah. Just take Firestone all the way in. Alright. Okay. I definitely spent plenty of time in Highland Park. I got a lot of cultural questions to ask about that territory. And I'm going to tell you what busses to take. But, I also, before we get into that, let's talk about how the band came together, Anthony. How did this happen? Well, Joey and myself, we've been playing as bandmates since middle school. Oh, wow. Yeah, since Griffith Middle School. We used to LA. Cool. And we've been through many bands and we were just trying to form something new after a good break. We knew Adrian for a while. He's a good drummer. He went to MI. Okay. And we met. I have questions for you. And we were looking for vocalists. So we were trying out all these guys from Craigslist and we got this guy from Tennessee. I got stuck with me. You're from Tennessee? Yeah, originally. Born and raised. Nashville? Knoxville, actually. On the other side of the state. There's a great record store in Nashville, Tennessee called Grimey's. Yeah, I've heard of it. I got some friends in Nashville. It's back home, Tennessee, man. We all know each other. You all know each other, right? I love it. How long has the band existed, Anthony? Since 2011. 11, yeah. September 2011. I want to go deep into every instrument. I play all instruments. I got questions for all of you. Adrian, am I? Okay. Now, how does it go down there? Okay, like, am I? They put you through the pipeline. You learn, you learn, you learn, and then you, like, take what you know and make something of it, right? It's school. A musician's institute. How much did it help you? I mean, as a drummer, it helped me a lot. But, I mean, as looking for a career in there, it's really hard to do that. Well, I mean, it's a lot of work in any industry, right? So it's more of kind of connections, you know, knowing the right people there. Whether you're running a record label or doing a publication like Adam. Adam, let's talk about the content that you built on your first episode or your first issue, so to say. That's been, like, you know, off your personal relationships, right? More or less, yeah. You start with the bros and then you move outward. Then you move, yeah. It's bro love, right? No, but I mean, okay, but to be serious, you know, MI has a reputation for breeding and being a breeding ground for the progressive, you know, shredders and, you know, guitar, bass, any kind of instrument, and the drummers, you know, all the progressive stuff, right? Yeah. I mean, did you actually learn how to read music? Yeah. Was it difficult? Yeah, it is. It is hard. I mean, not everyone could do it. Sight reading was probably the hardest to do. Dude, that's insane. I can't even think about it. Half the time, I don't know what he's talking about. Well, that's in three. You guys probably write something and there's, like, a downbeat or it's, like, a seven and sevens or something, and then you're like, that's five-seven. Exactly. Now I understand that because I've played so much with guys like that. He's our own little rain man, basically. I love it. He just tosses out numbers. So, there must be a real interesting sound happening in this band. Now, I'm saying that in a way, like, kind of elusive because not everyone's heard you. I've heard you. Adam, you haven't heard them, right? No, no. I wanted to tonight. So, you know, I think there's something cool and special happening, and that's why I asked you on. No. Come on. Come on here, man. We're very special. Yeah. You know, like I said, you know, Alkaline Trio, AFI, Los Lobos, Cypress Hill. Yeah, we're following some hard acts. You know, I don't know if I can follow up that guy. Batsky was great. You know what was awesome about that? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Were you here? You were here, huh? Yeah, yeah. Well, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah. Actually, my co-host is Ephraim Schultz from Death by Stereo and Manic Hispanic, right? Yeah. And he's on tour in Australia right now. And so, you know, he's Matt Skiba's friend. You know, he was like, hey, man, come on to the show. So, you know, I hooked up with Matt beforehand. We had some conversations. And I'm at the front door with the window, not the window, but the door open and a cab pulls up and usually like, you know, people are like that don't know what's going on here. Like it's all dark and they don't really know the situation. They'll be like, hey, I'm here for the radio interview. Los Angeles needs to. I'm here for Eddie, you know, that kind of thing. He gets out of the cab with a 12 pack and a bottle of Patron and he just goes, hey, I'm here to party. That's what he said. Yeah. He ended up disappearing that night. He disappeared. No, yeah, because I had we had Matt Skiba on Money Mark. And Skate Master Tate. All right. Yeah. It was just a great conversation. And so anyways, we had a little after party down the street and so forth. And, you know, he vanished into thin air. I like to imagine that the Patron just dwindled and then eventually he was gone. It was basically him. He kind of just like we were all having beers, but he had the bottle right in front of him and he's kind of like working on it the whole time. That's awesome. And then we left. We went to get a drink and he just kind of like. He took a commercial break and he came back. You're like, he's gone. Let's get back to Adrian. Okay. So how have you been playing drums for? I don't know. Double digit years, though. Yeah. Yeah. And who are like your influences that like when to this day, when you see them play or hear the records like, man, I love playing drums because of this guy. Well, I grew up on Travis Barker a lot. He's good. Yeah. I'm Stuart Copeland. A lot of other drummers I could just mention that. What do you think about Stuart? I mean, don't you think Stuart Copeland for being like in a pop band, he hits really hard. Pretty cool, right? I mean, I like the little dolphin shorts he's wearing. Yeah. Like the octobands. He was in Police and those shows he's playing in the Police. Yeah. Yeah. And he's like hitting so hard. I kind of see like Taylor Hawkins mimicking him in a lot of ways. You ever see that? Yeah, a little bit. His style and like, you know, I think he's like paying homage to him. Yeah. In a way. So, so Stuart Copeland, Travis Barker, and then that was your foundation. And like, where'd you go from there? Like, I don't know what sense, where I go. Just what kind of music I wanted to play. I mean, that's your foundation. Right? Yeah. Drumming, like, like who else from, you know. Other bands? Yeah. Yeah. There's so many. Danny Carey was another one too. All the drummers from Primus. Breen and Tim. Okay. I got some Primus, I got some Primus trivia for you. Okay. This is for Adam. Uh-oh. Alright, because you're the heavy cream team guy. Alright, dude. What drummer? Okay. The drummer. I believe it's a drummer. Yeah. Primus. Larry Lalonde, right? That's the guitar player. What band was he in from San Francisco? Oh. Lalonde? Yeah. I do know this actually, but I'm on the spot. Give me. He's in a metal band. Like, with Cred. Street Cred. Exodus? The singer, no, close. The singer is in a wheelchair right now. Because of a bad incident. I thought you were about to say he's in a band called Wheelchair. I'm excited. Wheelchair.com. SoundCloud. It was one of those uh, uh, it was one of those ones with, I mean, with Metallica and all those guys. They were a black metal band, weren't they? Death Metal. Huh? Just help him. Do it. Yeah, just possessed. Possessed. Damn it. Yeah, there's that thread, right? Hey, dude. You and I have similar forehead scars. Yours looks fresher. How'd you get it? I... Good question, co-host. Let's talk about injuries in Los Angeles. That's a good sign. No, I'm just kidding. Are you cool talking about it? I don't mind. I fainted. Did you really? Did you really? Wow. I fainted and I hit my head very hard. Actually, there was a group of bears coming after the band. I beat myself up. Were there stitches? Yeah, there was 11 stitches. He's a trooper, though. He's a trooper. He played a show. He had a show right after that in, what, 100 degree heat? Oh, yeah, yeah. Do you get the Harry Potter... No, no, no. They call me Frankenstein. I got it like 16 up here, but it was like 5 years ago. The boy who lives. But it's pretty pottery. Oh, because it goes this way. This one goes this way, so they call me Frankenstein. But you can make your story a little cooler, by the way. You fell and you didn't know what happened. I don't know. Switch blades. Just change the location you were in, you know, an alleyway or something. I was in a bathroom in Burger King and I painted it. It was at a bar. You were getting down at a Burger King bathroom? I was getting down at a Burger King bathroom and I painted it. So what kind of kit do you play? It's a pork pie. I also have a Yamaha stage custom, but I don't play that. So your life setup, like what's your gauge that you use? How big is a rack? I don't have a rack. I don't use a rack. I mean, I only have one. I have like the Buddy Rich kind of setup thing going on. Floor, snare, rack, bass. How big is your floor? Is it 14? Or 16 inch. That's the old one. The kick is a 22, I believe. The snare is a 14. Travis Parker. Exactly. Trying to follow in his footsteps. Okay, so come on. We need more tattoos. We're in rhythm section mode right now, so Anthony, bass player. Yeah. How long have you been playing bass? Since seventh grade. I don't want to put an age. No, you don't have to. Let's embrace it, man. Yeah. Over 15 years. Yeah, over 15 years. Been playing with this guy. We both started playing guitar. He had an extra bass amp and a bass. And so I took the bass while he played the guitar and I got stuck with it. I forced him onto the bass. You forced him. Like, come on, dude. I was like, I don't want to play the bass. Bass isn't that cool, dude. Yeah. Chicks with the basses. Yeah. It sounded easier. What's your life setup like? What do you mean? Like, what kind of gear do you use for your life setup? Oh, I have... You just got that new thing. Oh, yeah. I just got the orange... That's the orange tear. Orange tear. You were on my Instagram and you saw my pictures at off and you saw Steven McDonald. You were already on the fence of buying it. Yeah. But when you saw it, you're like, I'm going to get it. Exactly. And I used it for the first time last Saturday at the Wild Wildfest. Yeah. And it was a really good sounding amp. Very cool. I use it for the first time. Yeah. I use the Lakeland bass and I just recently got a Dan Electro, kind of like Fat Mike. One of those light basses that's bad back and makes it easy to play. And I use a 8x10 cabinet Ampeg. Nice. And a 4x10 HLF as well. Heavy. Yeah. What kind of bass player influences do you stem from? I stem from... Just say Fat Mike already. That's okay. He's the only one. No, I started off, yeah, digging Fat Mike. I like Deftones and... Oh, beer. Beer's an influence. For sure. Beer was an influence. God bless you. That was like a six cents, man. That was like psychic. That was amazing. We know what we're doing here. God, you guys are professional. We're pro, dude. This is awesome. We are completely pro. Matt Skiba got drunk here, all right? Oh, yeah. That's my goal. Send Dog hot boxed it in here. Literally. It's all on video. Wow. That was brutal. Yeah. That was heavy, dude. Got to look that up. Yeah. I'm going to go with the Yeah. Yeah. He was stoked. He was like, yo, this is awesome. Yeah. He was like, I want to come in doing a bong hit. So, he came in with a commercial and he was like, like right in the mic or whatever. Yeah. I know. Yeah. I mean, that's like, you know, come on. I grew up in the MTV era, right? You too. It's like the 90s. You see all the Cypress Hill videos. You go to Lollapalooza and then he's like sitting in front of you and it's like, hey, we're taking a commercial break. We're eating food. I'm like, will you hot box it? He goes, I'll do whatever you want. And it's like, okay, come in. So, I mean, you know, that door closed and the rest is history. After this commercial break, when you come back, we're going to be different people. Yeah. I mean, come on. That was stokeage right there when Zed Dog was in here. Yeah, definitely. It was super smoky in here. He was in here too. You know why? Because a company made a Cypress Hill guitar called ASG, Artist Series Guitars, or a new manufacturer assembled in America. Oh, wow. And they make like a Sick of It All guitar. They make a Greg Hudson guitar. And they make like limited edition. Yeah. Like Motorhead, Anthrax, like just for like fans. Oh, that's cool. For bands, like limited to 500 or 400, something like that. Are they just custom made or? Well, it's like a custom paint job. It's like a limited run with a certain design that the band approves. And it's mostly like people buy them and hang them on their wall kind of thing. No one's really playing Cypress Hill guitars, I don't think. Except for the guitarist in Cypress Hill when he plays rock superstar. That's when you know you made it, when you have a guitar. Exactly. You know, with an album cover, that kind of thing. All right, guitarists. Guitarists. Get closer, get closer. Gibson and Master Boogie Nomad. All right. Let's talk about your influences. I'm not good with name dropping, but Black Flag, Descendants, older punk rock. All the SST stuff. Pretty much. The cool, like the classic stuff. Now, okay, let's talk about Greg Ginn's guitar playing. All right. Don't you think that what he's done for that genre? I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so. I think the way he plays the guitar, the way he plays the camera, the way he plays his instrument, no one else plays that style. Right. Right? I mean, there's heavy riffs that are so unorthodox and it's like, what is he doing? You know what's funny is at one point I worked for SST for a long time and right before they did the 2003 reunion at the Palladium, it was called the Benefit for Cats. You know about this, Adam? Yes. The Benefit for Cats? I think I went to that show. Is it actually for cats? Yeah, I'll give you the scoop. Oh my God. Greg Ginn, like, he, you know what? No matter what you read about Flag and... Yeah. Black Flag and all this stuff. Keith has been in here, Chuck Dukowski. Wow. I could call them good acquaintances. Now, it's funny because there's lawsuits, there's this, there's that, but I go on record saying Black Flag is Greg Ginn because just look at the credits. He owns SST. He owns the Masters. He's a guitarist. He writes most of the lyrics. It's his band. Right. Okay. So when I worked at SST, they did two nights at the Palladium and it was 12.08, Foo Man's Choo, Good Riddance, and Black Flag. And what was cool was, this was like right before the internet started popping with like social networking and all that. So there was this like weird little forums with like angry people just talking shit about... Well, you know what I mean? Like... The birth of the internet. Yeah, it was just like text. With keyboard. It was just like, just like... And pornography. You know, it was just like, just text, text, text, text, text, you know? Weird. So what happened was, you know, I was just like, wow, like a lot of people don't like what's happening here because he's not announcing the lineup. And I worked there and Golden Voice was calling every day saying, we need to know who's playing because it's just Black Flag and it's 50 bucks a ticket. It's two nights at the Palladium and it's called A Benefit for Cats. And that's what's rad about Greg Ginn is he's always moving forward. He does not give a fuck what people think. And it's his band. So during that time, he would kindly come in to the office and say, hey, you want to come watch us rehearse? So I would sit in a chair and right where that wall was, I would see Robo, Cell on bass. Greg on guitar and Dead Saint. Oh, yeah. Ten rehearsals I saw. And so I watched him. And I know this music like the back of my hand, like I know the Beatles or anything else. And I'm watching him do those crazy solos. And a lot of people that don't know because they haven't seen him play live because, you know, they stopped playing, right? Greg is calculated. It's not just nonsense. He plays the same thing every time. That's what I was going to say. It sounds the same as the record. Yeah. It's crazy solos. Like you think it's just chaos. No, he plays the same thing every time. So when he's playing 58 notes within five seconds or whatever it is, it's like, dude, that's pretty genius. The same thing with Pat Smear with the germs. We saw the germs play at the Grand Olympic Auditorium. Yeah. And his screw ups were all calculated as well. It was like, man, it's just like Greg Ginn. Pretty cool, man. Yeah. Pretty cool. But it comes to his sound too. I mean, you know, he's played the Dan Armstrongs, all that stuff. And then so did Stefan Egerton from Descendants. You're talking about that sound. He was like, you know, Greg was his like idol or not idol, but, you know, he was like there were peers, but Greg was older. And then the Descendants happened and they used the same gear. Same thing with Blast. I mean, all those guys, I just think at that period of like hardcore punk and even power pop like the Descendants, like they played like men. You know what I mean? That's gotta be a book you gotta write, man. They played like men. Like these guys played riffs. They fucking down stroked like Johnny Ramone. No one played like they were like, you know, pussies. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. And so when you see pop punk play like men, there's nothing wrong with pop punk because it's like on full blast. As long as it still sounds a little tough, you know? Yeah. Like the Ramones, all that stuff. Nudge to it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. We have a caller for Tony. All right. All right. You're on the air with Courage, You Bastards, Los Angeles, Nista, episode 138. Tony. How's it going? All right. Tony. Yeah. Are you from Huntington Park? Hey. What's up? What's up? Southgate. What? He's just yelling names. Southgate.com? Southgate, California. What's up? What's up in Southgate, bro? You partying with Slayer? That's where they're from. Oh, no, man. I like Metallica. Old Metallica, right? You can like both? Yeah. Big four, homie. Big four is all good, homie. Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, Metallica. Or like all the dudes in my neighborhood would go, Metallica. I grew up in Pico, man. Pico and Whittier. Ah, yeah. Oh, the way my nephew said it, Metallica. Well, Whittier, then Pico. He likes Metallica. Metallica. Metallica. Metallica. I heard of those guys. Metallica. Metallica. Or that one dude Slayer, he's bad. Isn't that a weird thing? Oh, yeah. Okay, so what's up? You want to tell Tony something? You want to tell him how great he is? Yeah. Hey, Tony. Hey. Rock and roll forever. Hey, I got a question about Southgate, bro. What's there more of? Is there more Cholos or Paisas? Uh, Paisa Cholos. That's dangerous, dude. Wait, wait, wait. Can I interject? Sorry. Okay, Adam, is the other white guy in the room, do you have any idea what a paisa is? Rednecks. A pizza? Okay, okay, okay. Can we get down? Yeah. Okay, let's do it. Let's do it. I'm going to move out tomorrow. Do you have a paisa? Come on. Okay. I have a pizza. Do you know? A paisa? Yeah. I've heard it thrown around a bit. Welcome to White Catch. Look it. I'm Mexican-American. You know, I could say that. It's not a big deal. I mean, everyone's one and we're all equal. Well, what I'm saying is I'm just being silly right now, but seriously, like, you know, the fucking Banda shit, the rancheras. Yeah, yeah. I don't know what any of those are. Okay. You know, like. They were playing a lot of those on Sunday, on Mother's Day. Yeah. On your block, right? They play those down in my neighborhood and they sound kind of like Oompa Loompa music to me, but here's the thing. But here's the thing. I would never mess with those guys in a million years. Is that true? Yeah. Because every person I see playing those is the scariest motherfuckers. Well, it's not. It's beyond gangsters. Like, they're here to like, this is like, they're into life, dude. Like, they're holding their own for their family and it's like, whatever they're doing on the inside, they're protecting it. I like that. I thought it was Ricky Ricardo and Lucy, Lucille Ball over there, man. Hey, hey, there's an awesome group. Hold on one second. Hold on. You know what? The pizza's here. You think Annie could get it? I just said that on the air. The pizza's here? The pizza? The pizza? No, you know what was awesome? I have a friend. He has a half sister. Okay, he's Mexican-American like me. His sister is like, lives in Sweden. They have the same dad. No, yeah. Same dad, different mom. And she came over and she was laughing because she was like, posted up in Whittier with us. She comes from Sweden. We put her in Whittier. And then, you know, we're bringing one out. California's nice. And then, like, if someone does something. It's stupid. I go, don't be a paisa, dude. Just fucking do it right. No big deal, right? I have friends and family that are paisas. But look at, look at. She's like. I used to have Swedish meatballs. She goes. No, no, no. It's funny because she goes, what's a piser? Because of the accent. Oh, yeah, right. Yeah. Wait, so is Ricky Ricardo a paisa? No, I don't think he is. Okay. No. All right. Like, okay, who's famous that's a paisa on TV? Oh, Kukui, right? Oh, hey, hey. That guy, George Lopez. No, he's not a paisa. No, he's not a paisa. He's not a paisa. No. He's kind of pocho, too, right? George Lopez? In a way? Yeah. If you broke it down, he's pocho. That means Mexican at X white. He spells George with a G. Wow. He's a paisa. All my Tennessee roots are just showing through right now. I don't know what the hell. I like how your eyes are locked in with Adam Murray because you're the only white guy. It's like trying to explain math to a dog. It just does not happen. Not at all. Okay. Hey, I got to go. Hey, Tony, you rock. He's over it. Hey, homie calls anytime. Yeah. All right. Thanks, man. Okay. Okay, so we're going to take a music break. Woo! And we're going to come back and we're going to talk to the lead vocalist. Oh, my God. To find out about Tennessee. That's a bad idea, man. What he thinks of L.A. Mexican food. What does he... It's all going to go downhill from here. I'm just going to tell you. I'm going to slam like three beers and we'll do this. We are stoked. If he thought Donald Sterling was bad, wait till you hear this guy. No. Okay, so... So we're going to listen to some Courage, you bastards. Oh, yeah. Anthony, you ready to... You know what? We'll recap the songs when you come back. All right. All right? Cool. All right. Better rip. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. You're sick of following me close To a place you're not sure You're not in the state of your mind You're not in the state of your mind You're not in the way of what you feel Lost in candy cane houses With no logic Just sin You push the ones into habits And then you cry out Oh God, what have I done And I'm not in the state of your mind Lost in the way of what you feel Lord, I fear this fate of death You're my life I want you I want you Yeah Oh, your majesty, I will not see that vacancy The twisted eyes inside your mind, but your eyelids They're heavy with the sharp shackles of scale The wings will be caught, you're out of mind I am a man of the land, I am a man of the land I'm a scientist, I am a man of the land I shall be a traitor, a traitor I shall be a slave, a slave of the land The world The world The world The world I'll speak to each man of his I'll speak to each man of his With no logic Just act Nothing can deepen process With no logic Just act Nothing can deepen process With no logic Just act Nothing can deepen process With no logic Just act Yeah! I I I am not a part of my existence I am not a part of my game Me Me Yeah! Come to the game And the under And the under floats on In the ocean of sp WINTER And the ember floats on in the ocean of the spider Now the darkness is soon gone A record skips in a dead man's home A needle punctures and sucks its way into this song And as your life goes in to this sliding velvet It's already been ripped open It's getting out of hand Now I see pain I'm free, I'm free, I'm free Now it's nested here Right through my hands This oil blossom and this nightmare Birds and plants I'm not my own I'm infested I'm not my own With something else And as the sun swallowed Into its own fame My world is cursed and changed Here I am Shining on the ground The world is in pain One way, two ways, one way And the sin is sin And the sin is sin And the sin is sin And the sin is sin And the sin is sin Where's the sun? Where's the sun? I'd love to rest in your throne, but I can't taste the blood. Where's the sun? Where's the sun? I'd call you scotch at the shades of this world. Were you dead or never around? It was a sign of all God's peace that's helping. Where's the sun? Were you dead or never around? I'd call you scotch at the shades of this world. Were you dead or never around? It was a sign of all God's peace that's helping. Were you dead or never around? Were you dead or never around? Were you dead or never around? You're trying to say But you smell so damn good I lost myself Before you knew I'd got There's no holding back Not here at this price Space style I'm starving I have no will So I'll beat your gun And brace you up Like a dead five I have sinned And beaten the living Like long sin And hated me Why not? Too blurry to feel But the tie is still high Why the spiky smile? I'm a shit-hitting giant For a while I'll be your bank account Lay you out like a dead eye Yeah I'm a successful, successful You're a successful I'm a successful, successful You're a successful Isn't this the right way to be? Here I am, pretty cold-hearted Sworn from silly jokes and hundreds New expecting, crazy I'm a successful, successful I'm a successful, successful I'm a successful, successful I'm a successful I'm a successful Yeah so Yeah so Suddenly selling it off Yeah so Suddenly ripping apart Yeah so Suddenly selling it off Yeah so Suddenly ripping Yeah so Yeah so Suddenly ripping Suddenly ripping Yeah so Suddenly ripping Yeah so Suddenly ripping Yeah so Suddenly ripping it off Yes, so, Saturday, we're gonna party Saturday, we're gonna party Yes, so, Saturday, we're gonna party Yes, so, Saturday, Saturday night Yes, so, Saturday, we're gonna party Yeah You'll be surprised I'm so proud I'm so proud I'm so proud I'm so proud It's in the day It's all good Yeah Yeah, life How could you leave me, leave me alone Left here to run, I'm so far from home Far from my loved ones, far from my strength And glory Yeah I barely remember the man that I was You took me apart, dressed for me to dress Left me from the throat of all my youth And from the You did Yeah From the way Let it go From the way Let it go Take it from me Barely remember Barely remeber Barely remeber In my sea-dark old eyes, you ripped me apart Now left me to die with strangers As I sit covered in my ocean Searching for peace, abandonment To be a soul has to bark out how far Oh, my best Yeah, throw the weight, let it go Throw the weight, let it go Yeah I'm a fucking you Throw the weight, let it go It's all the same Throw the weight, let it go It's all the same Now that you've left me, I'll let you go Ashes to ashes, they're just ashes So die, come now, die See my life, die Die Oh, what a beautiful morning As I rise and shine You see the sunrise Made my wife's pride Dies the soft eyes And glowing light She who bore me two lives Two perfect lives Two perfect little girls A wonderful, beautiful world A wonderful, beautiful world A wonderful, beautiful world That I embrace Wrapped in solace Blessing all this Headed to the office Trembling I suddenly stopped And heard a voice ask What a beautiful morning As I rise and shine You see the sunrise Made my wife's pride Die the soft eyes And glowing light She who bore me two lives Two perfect lives Two perfect little girls A wonderful, beautiful world A wonderful, beautiful world A wonderful, beautiful world That I embrace Wrapped in solace Blessing all this Headed to the office Trembling I suddenly stopped And heard a voice ask What a beautiful morning As I rise and shine To see the sunrise Yeah Say something Say something You know that I'll flourish I'll be lost and die Lost and die Lost and die I'll have something I'll have something Nobody you can't shake I'll turn inside Turn inside Turn inside The sun Worse of all my life I've become so critical To the world I've made I'm becoming crazy I'm becoming crazy Caught in lovely Artive crazy Artive glorified Artive glorified Artive glorified Artive glorified Artive glorified Artive glorified Artive glorified There's nothing else you want It is a self-conceited Holy shame Your life will not last Your name Is only a break for time Won't be too long To liberate Yes you can Break the days But fall not to face Life is The last of A country All of my cities All of my temples All of my great works Love them The way we serve these rules The darkness of fate Your brain Shots a massive wind It is a self-conceited Holy shame Your life will not last Your name Is only a break for time Won't be too long To liberate Yes you can You're fading You're fading You're fading Yes you can Resist the We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. And really nice guy. Like, just straight up really nice guy. So I've been out here about nine years. So I think it's partially home, you know? You know, I'm really proud of the L.A. subculture. I really am because, you know, I grew up around gangs. But I went the route of music and skateboarding. So a lot of my friends, you know, that are my true childhood friends, maybe if they went in that gang direction or whatever it is, that's them. And I still am in contact with them. And it's like, you know what? It's funny when you're, like, you know, hanging out and you just see, like, they're just like the same person you met when you were 10 years old. But they're all tatted down. You know what I mean? But it's like, yeah, I mean, I just think that at the end of the day, like what you said, he's a really nice guy. I'm just speaking with a wide spectrum here. We all have it as humans. We have more in common than we don't have in common. Everybody, right? So that's the PSA for today. That's the one thing I've learned over the years. And actually, even being on this show, to be honest, like meeting skateboard legends. Or whatever. Tony Alba, Christian Assoy. This and that. Greg Henson was in here, you know? Yeah, yeah. All kinds of people. And, like, various things. Even, like, famous actors or whatever and some other shit. Anyway, what it boils down to is people are people, man. And as soon as you talk to somebody, you're like, oh, it's just another dude. Doesn't really matter, like, you know. And the great thing, too, is music will create bridges that you would never think was there. Like, I don't even like these fuckers. Like, we wouldn't hang out. We have nothing to call in. At gigs, you just hang out by yourself. No, no, no. And then they're in there. Yeah, no. I love them. And we become brothers. And they put up with me, like, reading poetry when we're driving to a show. That's great. But it's, like, the great thing is, like, I put out this ad. And we both went, gallows? Gallows. Okay, black flag? Black flag. Okay. Yeah, cool. Let's jam. And then it was just, like, we wrote a song, the first practice. Nice. So, do you remember your first practice? It was yesterday. I do. I do. I remember the guitarist, Joseph, was playing the drums. And not very well. And I remember calling my girlfriend at the time and being like, yeah, I don't know, let's go somewhere. It won't. But, you know, it was fun. And we actually wrote a riff and wrote a song. And it was good to get back in it. And then when they called me and I met with Adrian, I just, we had a blast. And I think pretty much from there on, we wrote a song almost every practice. Whether they were good songs or not. Now, that's actually not. No filler, all killer. Or is it some killer, some filler? That's a good mix. A good healthy mix. You know where I got that from? Can I tell you? No, please. Please. Please. Can I be straight up with you? Do you want to hear it? Yes. Okay. I was watching, I'm really into the process of making good records. And I watch all the VH1 making of. And the music. Yeah. Or the making of. Oh, those are better. Yeah. Yeah. And the Def Leppard making of Hysteria. Yeah. You know, and they had Mutt Lang, the producer. Oh, yeah. And he was like, dude, this will be the first record where it's all killer, no filler. And it's shooters. Yeah. Nine number one hits or something like that. And on that record. But that's, I mean, that's, you know, let's talk about that. When you guys get together and write a song collectively, here we go. Band stuff. Oh, man. Oh, God. You know, let's be honest. You know, I mean, everyone's different. Everyone has their own vision. How, what's the process usually when you guys write a song? Weird. Oh, yeah. Weird? This is weird. I get completely naked and start crying. And then we go from there. You build off that foundation, right? Yeah, that's how I start pretty much everything. Naked and crying. Yeah, naked and crying. And then we go from there. Each song has its own way of starting. Like, we have one where it's how Adrian, hey, can you do one in 7-8? And he'll just start playing. Play best seat around. What's the best one? Play a 7-8 beat. Because he knows what it is. Yeah. Well, that's how we end up with the beat in Fantastic New Prizes is it breaks down to this salsa. That's cool. Beat thing. And then the white guy starts dancing. Everybody runs. But it's really awesome to stumble. You can stumble across something like that, you know? Suggestions are always made. Cool. We're going to throw in jazz or something and try to fit it in there somehow. Okay, you guys are out there playing, busting ass. Let's talk about the Southern California music scene. All right? Now, you can pick and choose your words carefully, but you don't have to. But let's just say that from my perspective, it's pretty rough out there. To like... Be a band and be treated with respect from venues. You know what I'm saying? I mean, look, my band's been around 10 years, four records, lots of press. Okay, you know what? I really don't play those kind of shows anymore. I'm able to play the Troubadour, Viper Room, and you know, all this stuff and go on tours. I'm grateful for that, you know? But, God, man, I remember the days when you show up at Soundcheck at the Whiskey and they're like, where's the ticket money? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And it's like... Like, oh, the rest of it's coming. Well, you're not loading until it's here. Yep. I mean, and it's just so like, you know, this is 10 years ago. And the first pay-to-play show It's Casual ever did was with Testament. And that's why I did it. I go, fuck yeah, I want to play with Testament, dude. That's my first show in a club with my band. And this was like a decade, maybe 11 years ago. But, you know, it's just really, I think, heartbreaking when you see how, at a certain level, these professional venues give. They give local bands an opportunity, but they don't do it sincerely. No. Right? Yeah. Well, it's the LA machine, man. I mean, I did stand-up for a while, too. It's the same thing. They're all bringer shows. Like, you got to put asses in seats. Right. They're not promoting it. They're providing a stage and a PA and a room. And it's, and like, even if you, like what you said, those venues, like, okay, I brought people, pay me. And then they buckle up and they can't. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's where I say, someone who plays in a band, I'd rather play the Stardust and say, fuck the whiskey and fuck the Roxy unless you're, I'm going to get a fair deal. Right. I'd rather play the Stardust, plan it two months ahead, get a percentage of the bar off a free show. And I've walked out with 300 bucks. Yeah. And sold 200 bucks worth of merch, you know, or 300 bucks. It's like, okay, it's a $600 night. That's why, that's why I'm really glad we play angry music. Yes. Because I get to just get up there and just, and just let it all out. It's nice. So, so let's talk about what, what we're trying to articulate here. So, I mean, would you say that it's not only do you have to be a band, but you have to be conditioned to deal with the phone calls and, and what about the promoters that are like full of shit? Oh yeah. The ones that like can't, can't even like hold their own. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And then they come down to you, well, you didn't bring no one. It's like. It's like, dude, if you guys get people here, they're going to be unicorns. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, I'm going to do a fucking show and they're going to rain money on you out of their mouths. It's going to be amazing. And you show up and it's something like this, that's everything's lame. We're like, what? Oh yeah. We've had those shows. Well, I mean, but, but that, but that's where you learn like where not to go. You know, you learn not to go like, I'm not going back there. I'm going there. I'm not going back there. What do you think, Adam? Because Adam, he's a photographer. He's takes a lot of photos. You know, he does them for Los Angeles and East. He takes photos for a very credible online music magazine called Brooklyn Vegan. Right. Right. And you do your own publication. Who else do you take photos for? Cult Nation. Cult Nation. Yeah. That's what I've been doing stuff for the past couple of years or whatever. Yeah. They're based out of Canada now. They're great. Yeah. They moved to Canada. What do you, I mean, I met you when I was booking Relax Bar in Tytown. Yeah. And I mean, I did that because I was feeling a void. I mean, it seems like there still is a void, isn't there? I think there will always be a void. I mean, the thing about LA is that like people don't realize is that it's fucking overpopulated. Like there's, you know, like. Like it's more prevalent on TV with the acting and all that. There's probably thousands of kids every single day that move to LA to get famous acting. Oh yeah. Yeah. But it's also a hub for band activity more than New York. I guess Austin's coming up a little bit. But this is the king of entertainment here for everything entertainment, right? Stand up music. So there's hundreds of bands starting up in LA and moving to LA to be in bands and stuff like that. And it's extremely competitive. And I think people are better off doing shit themselves. You can't rely on the Sunset Ship to like break you or whatever. No. No. You got to just start having parties or find. Basements. You know, East Evanshire Warehouse, these little places or whatever. Do some shit by yourself. If it's good, people will like it and then they'll go, you know? But you got to like, you have to just do it. It's like any kind of dream, like artistically. You can't wait for someone to ask you to do it. You have to just do it because you have to do it. Like that's why you're doing it in the first place because you feel the need to. Yeah. You're feeling a void in yourself that makes you want to do it. And that means it'll be real or whatever. It's coming from somewhere. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And people will respond to it. But if you want to just like get famous or get rich, it's probably not going to happen. Yeah. You know what I mean? Well, it's funny he says that because I don't know. I think maybe you guys could even learn from this too. I mean, I learn from it every day. I know guys that like, okay, Green Day is popular. So they're like, they act like Green Day and write songs like Green Day. That doesn't work. So now they're Papa Roach. That doesn't work. Cut my life in two pieces. Yeah. And then it's the strokes. It's the strokes. It's the strokes. It's the strokes. It's the strokes. It's the strokes. It's the strokes. It's the strokes. It's the strokes. Like they just keep changing. Right. And these guys are like older than me. And I'm like, dude, like that's where I get to take a step back. And I'm proud of what I've done with It's Casual because it's like a decade, four records, you know, two singles, tons of press, touring Macedon, blah, blah, blah. But I'm like, I always, what you saw in 2003 or 2004 is the same thing you see now. I never, you know, I never tried to change. I was true to myself. Yeah. And that goes back to like, now this may sound corny, but I'm saying, you know, I'm not I'm serious. I mean, it may sound corny, but it's like what Bruce Lee says. He goes, martial arts means to truly express yourself. Yeah. I'm a huge Bruce Lee fan, you know, and I think that's relevant to any art form. Don't you? Yeah. Definitely. To honestly express yourself. That's why it's there in the first place. Everything he says is relevant to everything. Yeah. I mean, just like. Yeah. Say that again. Everything he says is like relevant to life. Yeah. He's great with philosophy. Yeah. Well, that's the thing. And I mean, I don't know. I don't know if I can speak. I don't know if I can speak for the other guys, but for me, yeah, we're trying to get our record out there. Yeah. We're trying to, you know, get people. But at the same time, like, I don't care if I end up on a stage with a microphone in my hand. I mean, I went seven years without finding this outlet. You know, being with people who was like, oh, let's do this. Maybe we'll have a show, blah, blah, blah. But with these guys, we go there. There's a moment where it's like we sound checked, we're ready to go. And that's like, you could shoot me in the head afterwards. I'm happy, you know, because that's the moment. That's all that matters. And I think that. Appeals to people, too. Don't let anybody shoot me in the head after a show, by the way. I'm not an invitation. Somebody in the basement just like, yes. You kind of like fill that void or whatever. Just like you said earlier, like everyone's got something where they think something's missing or whatever. And you do it. It's like why I made the zine. To feel good. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's why you might make a sub micro genre within a genre of music. If you're like, I don't think there's enough, you know, bestial black war metal slash jazz music. Church burner. Church burner. War metal Norwegian. Satanicus. Hispanic music. Like, I think there's a little niche that hasn't been filled. I'm going to make that. I'm going to try to fill that or whatever. My music is going to be 16 adjectives long. Fuck all y'all. Dude. Okay. So you're really versed with using the public transportation infrastructure. Okay. You took, you know, the red line. Well, I used to. The gold line. I used to work at a restaurant in West Hollywood when I first came out here and I would ride the, I would ride my bike over to the train and then take it over to Hollywood and Highland and go up the stairs. And that was, that was fun. And then you see all the. That's a good workout. Walking up the steps. Oh yeah, absolutely. And you see all the, you know, crack using like Elmo's and shit. It's just, you know, that's a way to feel good about yourself every day when you're on your bike. It was good. And I, I, I actually just recently repaired my bike and I've been trying to get back out. Okay. You know, on the lines. Now, did you, have you ridden the gold line? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I rode it a couple of times. Yeah. But mostly the red line. Mostly. The red line. Yeah. Mostly. It was just for work, the red line. Yeah. Yeah. Now, so, so you're here, you're here from Tennessee and you see, you see everything like, what, like, what did you, like, what do you think of downtown? I mean, are you a fan? Do you come to downtown a lot? Um, there's parts of it that are really cool. Um, some of it is a little sketchy and, and it's like a weird mix of hipsters and, uh, uh, you know, disturbed homeless people. Yeah. Which sounds like a party, but it's not as much. Um, no, I, I like, uh, you know, I found my haunts that I like. I really like the outdoors. I mean, I was living in New York before this and out here is awesome because, you know, I can go to Elysium Park. I can go to Devs Park, like right down from my house. That's awesome. And you get access to the wilds out there. And, um, I don't know. I like seeing another side of the city because when you, when you're in a car, it's just like a big TV screen. You don't experience it, you know? Now, come on. The rest of the guys are locals. Have you taken them to the real Mexican food? Has that come up? Have you guys done that? Uh, when we played a show in Santa Barbara. On the way back, we stopped in, no, we stopped in Los Feliz. There's this taco truck that's off of Los Feliz Boulevard. Right. Inside of, inside of a car wash parking lot late at night. And those tacos are really good. They're good. But, but no East LA, no Boyle Heights, no. No. I live down the street from King Taco. There you go. There you go. Yeah, I'm down the street. Five by the 710? Yeah. They called the king for a reason. Yeah. I'm down the street from the original one. The goal line. The flagship. Yeah. Yeah. Down on Cypress. We've taken him to the secret spot in Huntington Park. Huntington Park. The problem, the problem. Okay, look. Are you a vegetarian? No, no, fuck no. No. Absolutely not. No. I would kill things if I could. But, but no, no, no. I, I, the problem is I got Irish blood. And so I just start pouring sweat. Okay. And one time I went out with a buddy. It's like two in the morning. Someplace down in the Highland Park. It was really good. But we, we, we switched tacos. Which sounds like a sex move or something. It's not. I'm telling you. I grabbed, I grabbed his. And he had like the super hot, like melt your feet. Face shit. Right. And I, I. Is this still the sex move? I was, yes it was. And I, I was choking on it. I mean, I, I almost, I thought I was going to have to go to the hospital. Was it goat chili? I have no idea what the fuck it was. Goat chili is the hottest chili in the world, right? Yeah. Yeah. The ghost peppers. Heard about it, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I, I still haven't fully recovered. Wow. Now, are you a sports fan at all? No. Do you care about sports? No. No. I live down from Dodger Stadium. It's awesome. They hit the ball with the bat thing. And it's, there's fireworks. And fucking good for you guys. It's great, you know. And I wish they would take more steroids on us. I wish everybody would just get fucking jacked up. Just get fucking jacked up. And just have heart attacks. Fight. Yeah. That'd be awesome. But, uh. No, I like some MMA fighting and stuff like that. But, um. You know what's rad is when you see the MLB guys and they're just all just blown up. And they're like, I'm not on steroids. What? I don't know what you're talking about, man. Yeah, yeah. My heart is beating so fast. All right. So let's talk about Huntington Park. Okay. You guys are locals. Now, Huntington Park, Adam, I got to tell you. Huntington Park used to be a very, very, very, um, just, you know, upper middle class neighborhood. Like, mostly white. Okay. This is like 50s, 60s. And, um, now it's different. We took over. Yeah. But, you know, it's like, so let's be honest. Okay. How would you describe Huntington Park to someone that doesn't know what it is? Explain it to Adam. Describe Huntington Park to Adam. Explain it to the white gentleman across from you. Is that by Disneyland? Is that down the way to Disneyland? You know, like Fiesta Village at Knott's Berry Farm? That's Huntington Park, bro. Have you heard of the Huntington Library in Pasadena? Yes. Okay. Well, that guy had a park. This is for reals. Yeah, yeah. It was Rancho San Antonio. Okay. And Southgate was the Southgate of the ranch. And Huntington Park was his park area. Hmm. And it was a nice, they had carriages going through and everything. Yeah. Pictures. Now, you have soccer riots. Hmm. Mexico loses, so embrace yourself. I mean, brace yourself when FIFA starts next month. Yeah. Stay away from Pacific Boulevard or La Pacific. Yeah. No, it's serious stuff. Yeah, it's serious. Parties, right? Yeah. People driving in a flag with Mexican flags. Oh, yeah. Closing down the streets. And you know what's rad is like when I, you know, when I live in Pico Rivera, I'd be walking down the street on Durfee and I'd come from Tommy's and then like everyone's watching fucking the soccer. And I'm skating with like my Tommy's back to the pad. Like, you know, it's like a Saturday. I'm gonna go play a show later. And I'm just like cruising real slow. And then all you hear is like, go. 20 minutes. You know, I'm going by everyone's house. So you hear it coming out. No, no. But these people are more enthusiastic, right? Go. They hold it. We, um, we, we practiced down there and I got, I got pulled over one time because I was driving this old piece of shit. Acura. And, uh, I thought you were buying stuff. Yeah, no, no, no. I was driving the most gangster car in the world. But I would put the tinted window down. I'd be like, hello. Hello. I had a cop pull me over and just like, he did this double take. Like, what are you doing down here? I was like, I got lost, man. I love it. I love it. So, so, um, let's talk about, I got a question for you guys. All right. From a guy who plays in a band to a band. What's your favorite venue in Southern California? Wow. Collectively. What, like when you guys are like, yo, I love that place. In all of our band experience or just this band? Oh, just, no, just personally. Let's start with Adrian. Let's start with Adrian. Um. What places have you played at? You just love playing. I actually like playing the Showcase Theater in Pomona. I don't know if it's still there though. Oh, Corona. Or Corona. I played there back in the day. Yeah. That wasn't my first band. Yeah. To me, that place was like a replica of the Whiskey. Yeah. Very cool. Yeah. I liked playing there. Even though I heard that they were cranking up the heater so that people could buy water. Yeah. I heard they were doing that. Oh, they were. Yeah. Yeah. I know, I know EZOT. But I still, I still like playing there. I mean, I don't know why. EZOT, the owner, he used to own a place in Riverside called Spanky's. This was a little before your time. And I used to go there. That was a place. And like, you know, you'd go see Offspring before they blew up. Or like when they were on Epitaph, like, you know, at the same size place, he'd be doing those kind of shows. Offspring, Guttermouth, Face to Face. That kind of thing. Oh, yeah. So, yeah. What about you? I like the smaller venues. Stardust. You like Stardust? Yeah. I like Stardust. I like small places. The Phoenix 5-4. I love that place. I love that place. Sounds cool. Everyone's right in your face. You know, that place, that room sounds good. Right. The acoustics are great in that place. Yeah. That's what I, that's why I like the smaller venues. Acoustics are awesome. Yeah. Sounds cool. Especially if it's like wooden walls and stuff. But I mean, I like the bigger places also, but the smaller places are. Well, yeah. Yeah. For sure. My favorite. My favorite is probably when we played at the, what was that place? The Knitting Factory. On Hollywood Boulevard. Yeah. That stage sounded awesome. Usually the stage sounds like crap. You can't hear yourself. You can't hear the drums. This one, we sound like we're in the audience. It was great. Closed. You, sir? I will say the Phoenix 5-4 as well. Just because I can get right out with the crowd, you know. But I will say there's a place that closed where we played our first show, which was the Second Street Jazz Club in Little Tokyo. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right here. Yeah. That place was always like, kind of had a special place in my heart because I used to see like noise core and punk bands back there, back in the day. I'm like, I want to play here. And then my band actually played there and they had a piano and I jumped off of it, almost killed myself. So that was fine. It's good memories. What about you, Adam? I don't know. It depends. What kind of music? Well, no, like if you're talking sound, I like the Troubadour. But more recently, The Complex, which is on Glendale. It's the old scene. The former scene. Yeah. The former scene. It's got like a medium sized venues sound system crammed into a tiny bar and it's kind of like ridiculously loud and like bassy and stuff, but they don't overdo it. It still sounds good. Yeah. But then I like the punkier places like E7th Warehouse, which kind of reminds me of the Boulevard, which used to be my favorite venue when it was still open. But it depends on what you're going for. You know? I would have to go with the Troubadour. And to me, it's the most consistent place from both perspectives because I've played there as an artist. I've, you know, done like the free Monday night, local night, played with my band or like open up for Fu Manchu or Fireball Ministry. Then I've gone to see really big bands do surprise shows. Like I've seen Kiss there, Foo Fighters. Prince did a surprise show. Yeah. I've seen Kiss, Foo Fighters, Anthrax. Suck Hard was there a while ago. Yeah. Really big bands. And like every situation, like playing there and going to see a huge band do a surprise show at that level, like an arena band in there. It's always been like consistent. Like, fuck, this sounds good. Yeah. This sounds really good. You know? And on stage, it sounds great. And everyone's close to the stage, whether you're upstairs or in front or if you're in the, in back of the front, you're still like, everyone's like within, you know, a few years The first time I saw Mastodon was there also. Yeah. Yeah. There's an amazing Japanese hardcore band called Envy that I saw there. That was, and the guy, the guitarist climbed the, you know, the little like scaffolding or whatever they have around the stage. Like you climbed and hung his guitar up there. That's cool. That's cool. So. I'm Japanese. Fuck y'all. Somebody else get it down. You know, I saw, now you're talking Troubadour, right? Yeah. Yeah. I saw something, something pretty amazing there. I saw Local H. Oh, nice. And Scott jumped out, like when he did the hit Copacetic, when I can't rock always please. Yeah. Like, like, like he dragged it out and then it was just like the drums, you know, so there were two piece and he was, the drummer was just like a drum roll. And then Scott like turned his volume knob off and floated all across the Troubadour for like right. Bill. Right by the bar and like grabbed on to the balcony and then jumped on the balcony. Nice. And like started playing it like a wireless and started playing from there. And then he dove, jumped off and then that was pretty cool. That was pretty cool. That's what it's all about. Yeah. If you have health insurance, but if you don't. If you have, if yeah, because that wouldn't be fun going to general hospital. Every time I'm on an amp, I'm like, can I afford this? Trustful. So, so, so stand up comedy, huh? Oh God. Well, it's been about four years. Do you have a comedy record on that iPod? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I have like one or two shitty YouTube videos. I want to see that dude. It's on YouTube. No, it was, it was, I mean, I just like performing, man. I just like being on a stage. You're into it. That's cool. Yeah. I just like, but, but the great thing about this is it's just this medium where I can fucking like just let go. I mean, just absolutely let go. And my pants actually at the Wild, Wild West, our last show, ripped from the knee to the crotch right before the show. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so I just embraced it. And by the end I was like pantsless hiding under the stage. It was great. And we actually, they play like stage by stage by stage. I actually ran over to the other stage and stole the other band's people, which was. Nothing wrong with that. It was terrible, but it was fun. I enjoyed it. Nothing wrong with that. It's got to do. So like when it comes to comedy, what are some of your like inspirations? Bill Hicks, man. Bill Hicks all the way. Well, he was great too because he had a real sense of, I mean, he always wanted to be a good actor back in the day. And yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If they got to tune up or whatever, start. No, no, no. Do your own show. I'm all about multitasking. Everyone should be as successful as they can be. I think you should be a session player for a bunch of other people. And give drum lessons. And give drum lessons and make money. And you should probably like write music for other people. And you should probably like, you know, manage bands. You're good with business and you should do your comedy. Yeah. Well, it's LA. You can wear a lot of different hats. You know what I call LA? LA. LA. E-L space L-A-Y. LA. Get out of my way. You know what I like is like when you, I remember like back in the day when you meet people. Like, hey, you know, I come from skateboarding. Like I skated with a bunch of dudes from like everywhere. And I had a mini ramp. So before the internet, people would find out like you had a mini ramp. And we'd be on my ramp. And we'd be in the backyard and you'd see people just cruising down the street looking for you. Because, you know, you're saying, even if it's like four feet high or three feet high, you're standing on a platform and you could see them. You could see them. Yeah. So I remember like people would roll up. You wouldn't know them. But you skate. So you're cool automatically. Back home, we do that with moonshine stills. I guess back here. Yeah, you make moonshine. Hang a ride at this tree, see a dead squirrel, you've gone too far. So I'd be like, hey, where are you from? Like, H-P. L-A. Just kidding. When I say H-P, everybody's like, oh, Huntington Beach. I'm like, yeah. Yeah. Sure. Tonight I am. That's fine. Close enough. Okay. One more break. We're going to take a break. Play a quick song or two. You got some more jams or are we done? Yeah, we got some jams. Play some more jams. Courage you bastards. Just, you know, do it right this time. Phoenix 5-4 with It's Casual, Saturday, May 31st, with Foggy Nation and Wholesale Murder. The homies. The homies. Word. Here we go. Here's a song called Slaughter the Seas, Murder the Moon. Let's do it. Woo. Oh, what a beautiful morning as I rise and shine to see the sunrise fade my wife's bright thighs and soft eyes and glowing light. She'll bore me to death. Perfect lives. Perfect lives. Perfect little girls. Wonderful, beautiful world. Wonderful, beautiful world. Wonderful, beautiful world that I embrace. Wrapped in solace. Blessing all this. Headed to the office. Trembling. I suddenly stop and hear the voice ask, Why don't you love just a matter of time before it's taken away? There's absolutely nothing that you can do about it. Well, I just don't know what to think. Honestly, I shiver as I hear the voice speak again. Why don't you love? Love is a rage. Why? Why don't you love this? Why don't you wait? Why don't you love? Lost in the rain. The rain. The rain. Oh, sick, sippery sunset flitting over my broken home and shattered on stones alone and thrown to every attack, every shadow lurking, every crack in the asphalt black. Oh, my girl sings so quietly, so sweetly, that every part of me is in pain. Every part of me. All the cells are locked and stuffed with goodness and holy life. And then I find, did you know that sometimes we're facing a friend and that a parallel demands all we have to say that for peace ain't a way? Ha ha ha. No, I couldn't. No, I would never. But I just don't know what to do. Why don't you love? Love is a rage. Why don't you love this? Why don't you wait? Why don't you love? Why don't you wait? Why don't you love? Why don't you love? Why don't you love? Why don't you love? Why don't you love? Why don't you love? Why don't you love? Why don't you love? Why don't you love? Why don't you love? Why don't you love? Why don't you love? Why don't you love? Why don't you love? Why don't you love? Why don't you love? Why don't you love? Why don't you love? Why don't you love? Why don't you love? Why don't you love? Why don't you love? Why don't you love? Why don't you love? Why don't you love? Why don't you love? Why don't you love? Give us the blood of those who come for us Give us the blood Give us the blood Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah The blood's not Nothing Unseen spark That marks you and My Horrifying nation The chastity Of fucking Liars Whose bloody fingernails trace the edge The edge And to the theory There's a way, there's a way, there's a way, there's a way There's a way, there's a way, there's a way There's a way to get you There's a way, there's a way, there's a way, there's a way There's a way to get you There's a way What's the truth You're frustrated You're founded You're marching to the ball in this paradise They will break through the way you can't tell They will break through the way you can't tell You're out of control I don't think you can Neither you nor any other man You're the actual nail Will you be allowed to stand? Or you might as well just give up On the run and some days Run On the run Through the rain, through the rain, through the rain of it Through the rain Break through the shine No! Fuck the science of it And now you've just upon yourself What's the use to breathe like this? The necklace Fuck what? Take it off Your fate is wet You could have it But now Give me my eyes What's up the truth? You understand I can't wait Make sure there's no people like this Fuck what? Take it off Your fate is wet You are so lost You're in your life But see your silver flashes Like you have new eyes But your expression's deep in you Like the five five Like the five five He has 200 guitars. Dude, he has a lot of guitars. That's big time, bro. That's too many guitars. That's huge. Yeah. And my in-studio guests, Courage, you bastards. Well done, gentlemen. Well done, Huntington Park, Monterey Park, Silver Lake, Cypress Park. A lot of parks. El Parque. You guys should change the name of the band to El Parque. El Parque Homes. No. Are you still scared of Cholos? No, no. I think they're, you know, they're nice people. Not since he joined the band. No, no, no. Because... The downside is now I have a dream to be one, but I don't think they'll ever accept me. They'll accept you, bro. No, I don't know. They'll accept you. You can be like the Irish mafia guy. No, dude. Here's how it's going to go, lads. All right. Now that we're 43, it's going to move into a whole new territory now. You lads stick with me. No, no, no, no. You know what you're doing. You're good. You're good. Now, listen. Listen. You know, I just love how music brings everyone together. We're in one room discussing our passion, and everyone's celebrating their work because they're the in-studio guests. In-studio guests. Ooh. Tell us about your website. Facebook. Oh, yeah. Put it all out there. Let the world know, man. Sing it out, Anthony. You can reach us at courageyoubastards.com. Courageyoubastards.com. Or on Facebook. Facebook. We don't have an Instagram because we're just lazy like that, but we just hashtag CourageYouBastards. You can still hashtag. Come on. We're on Bandcamp. We're on Bandcamp, girl. You know you wanna click on the link. Get that link. I wanna be inside you. CourageYouBastards.com. Now, is that, was that the, now, what ballad was that? Was that Joey McIntyre from NKOTV? I've been working on that for three months. Was that note you could do on the block right there? Yeah, it was a little bit. Or was that NSYNC? I like that. It was all those, that's my main inspiration, you know. Yeah. Justin Timberlake before he got all like slick and sexy back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Is he really? Yeah. I think, I believe he is. Yeah. I was always more of an AJ guy. Okay. No, I can see that. I don't know. That's Backstreet Boys. You know, if I had to categorize our Institute guests, CourageYouBastards, if I had to categorize you guys, I would call it straight up hardcore. And we would accept that. Is that wrong? Is that right? Is that your, what you envision? Ask Andrew. He's the one that always gets like, what do you think about it? I was, I was saying punk fusion, but I mean, whatever. No, you know what I'm calling it? Delicious. Blackened punk fusion. Yeah. I like that. How about that? How about that? You know, no, well done guys. Next show is with It's Casual. Yep. Saturday, May 31st at Phoenix 5-4 in Whittier. Everyone knows where that's at. It's a free show. We're commemorating the 10 year anniversary of Two Felon Skate Shop in Whittier. It's going to be Foggy Nation opening up the show. Courage, you bastards. Wholesale murder. Old homies from Baldwin Park. They used to be called, used to be called Staring Problem. I like that. That's a good name. Yeah. And it's casual. We're going to be playing the new Los Angeles one and two back to back. All right. Nonstop. Oh yeah. We're not taking a break. And you know, there'll be a PCP floating around for all the guys. Oh yeah. Hotbox. Yeah. Hotbox. Hotbox. Fishbowl of PCP. Yeah. And so, yeah. You know, I'm just, I'm stoked man. You know, Adam Murray, co-host, heavycreamzine.com. We're doing that value add till while supplies last, right? That's true. Yeah. Yeah. And let's, let's, let's give a shout out to you guys and any other websites you need to promote before we go. Nothing else. I think that's it. Facebook. Facebook.com. Okay. I want to say Facebook.com. We got a minute. Last thing you want to say? Let's go down the line. Thank you for having us on today. You're welcome. Well said. Same thing. I have nothing else to say. You had a good time? No. No. No. Good time. Anthony? All right. Thanks, Adam. Thanks, Eddie. We're looking forward to the 31st. Cool. Get this thing rocking. Yeah. Let me take this moment to tell you guys about a real special organization back home in the South. No, I'm just kidding. It's been awesome being out here, you guys. Thank you so much. Let's get some moonshine next time. Woo! I know. These guys keep, every time I go home, they're like, dude, where's the moonshine? Los Angeles Nista, episode 138. Thank you very much. Courage, you bastards. Awesome. Yeah! Yeah! Units, I'll decide So where is all Couldn't you decide Go for gold I'm on the call line Go for gold Couldn't you decide So where is all Knocked up kind of town Going through the league of night On the way to Island Park I'm on the call line So where is all Couldn't you decide Go for gold I'm on the call line I'm on the call line