Adam Hunter on MMA, comedy, and wrestling

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Drum technique. Drum technique. Yes, we are back. This is the drum technique. Episode four with Adam Hunter. Adam, how are you doing, buddy? I'm doing great. Thank you for having me on your show. Yeah, man. It's great. Adam, for those who don't know this man, he's a comedian. He was a high school standout wrestler in the New England area. I've seen YouTube footage of it. He also, he plays a big part in the MMA community. He does the MMA text after fights where a bunch of fighters are mixed matching. They're texting each other. He's a great guy. He's a great guy. He's a great guy. They're texting each other. Crazy shit. You know, he does the MMA Roasted podcast. What else do you do? You got a whole bunch of jobs, right? Yeah, I do the MMA Roasted podcast on Fox Sports, which actually we're going to Sideshow Network starting next week, doing twice a week on Sideshow Network. I also wrote a lot of the parodies that are all about the cake with Daniel Cormier that got 40 million hits. As it should. And then also I wrote the Filipino wrecking ball with Mark Munoz. I helped write the, what would the van say? You know, I've written for the MMA awards the last five years. Me and Joey Varner did Dear Vandy, the Dear Vandy sketch, the Pawn Stars sketch with Randy Couture, Randy Couture divorce attorney sketch. Yeah, the divorce attorney one was awesome. Thank you. We did the MMA Storage Wars, me, Tripoli, and Joey wrote that one with Phil Davis and Dominic Cruz. So I've written a lot of the parodies that are all about the cake with Daniel Cormier. So I've written a lot of those sketches. And then, you know, the podcast, and then I do those MMA Roasted videos before all the big events. So I've done about, I don't know, got to be 50 of them. And lately we've had a lot of guest stars. People have been coming on the show. Like we had Art Jimerson and Don Fry. Oh, I saw Alan on that one. Yeah, Alan comes on all the time. I had Luke Barnard on, Jake Ellenberger, Shaina Baszler, Jessica Penny, Vince Bichelle. Ellis came on and called out CM Punk. We have Frank Trigg on the next one. Yeah, I mean, I love having the fighters on, you know, it's a lot of fun. That'd actually be a good fight. Which one? Ellis and Punk. That'd be great for his first fight. Yeah, I also had Trigg call out Punk. Frank Trigg said he wants to fight Punk as well. No, that's not fair. That's too much. I don't know. Trigg's too good, you think? I think so. That's a little bit. I mean, to be honest, I think I should probably speak a little bit lighter about him because I haven't seen him train yet. But oh man, coming in your first fight, your first fight. It's crazy. It's not, I don't need, none of these names that we're saying are, I mean, Ellis might be okay. Yeah. But just because he's a little bit older now and whatnot, but God damn, dude. Well, yeah, it's like saying like putting a guy with zero high school or college basketball experience and having them be in the NBA. It really is. And saying, oh, well, you know, he's good at streetball. Yeah, but how's he going to do against LeBron James? I mean, let's, let's be honest. It's crazy because like, you know, you hear, you know, so much people talk shit about Bellator, you know, that's. That's like the main thing. They're always like, oh, this freak show fight with Kimbo and, you know, Ken Shamrock. But at least those dudes have been scrapping for like a while. Oh, absolutely. Even if they're in a backyard, like that's a real fight, you know? Oh, absolutely. But that fight I think was fixed. You think so? Yeah. A hundred percent? That was a good gash on his head. Yeah. After watching it like three or four times, the first time I go, no, this is a legit fight. And then when I watched it, they were like going ear to ear, like as if it was like professional wrestling. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was just sort of like, uh, like it was very old school wrestling lockups. Yeah. It was an old school wrestling lockup. I only saw, I only saw it once like briefly and I was highly distracted. So I'll have to probably go back and go back and watch that and then go back and watch, uh, you know, Kimbo's defense of Ken Shamrock's rear naked choke. Cause there is none. He said he fell asleep three times, but then woke up. What were they? Power naps? I did see that, but it looked like Ken, you know, Kim wasn't locked up and he was like, he had his head on his forehead kind of, you know what I mean? You see it. So it looked like it's a one arm choke. This is talking about a guy who's like the world's most dangerous man grappling his entire life. I mean, come on. Like how does he mess up a rear naked choke? Yeah, you're right. I don't know. It was, it was a one arm thing, but I don't know, man. I saw Ken at, uh, some local show here in Los Angeles, like not even that long before that fight was announced. And he was selling like a Shamrock shake, like a protein shake product that he was making and whatnot. And so when I looked at him, I was like, dude, this guy's not ready to fight. But then he took out his, uh, like a bare knuckle boxing fight or something that got announced. And then next thing you know, he's going to fight Kimbo and Bellator. So I was like, dude, you know, but I don't know. Like the word was that he was like training, you know, he looked great. Yeah. Did he look great? You know, but even that, that first takedown, it was like, like, come on, like Kimbo, like, you know, he's going to try to get it to the. To the ground. And that's how you defend a single leg. I mean, he, it was a knee tap. It's like, he just picked his leg up and he fell down. I mean, I've seen grandmothers defend themselves better than that. That was insane. Yeah. That's true. Cause Kimbo, I guess is that a little bit more, I mean like Ray Mercer went down fairly easy when he fought Kimbo, but I mean, I don't think he had any intention that they were actually going to wrestle. I think they like had a gentleman agreement. Hey, you know, you stand up in the backyard. But he didn't go down like that. I think Ray Mercer got caught in just like a rear naked choke from standing and Kimbo just. It was like a guillotine. No, it was like. Yeah, it was a guillotine. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. Guillotine from standing. Right. What am I talking about? Rear naked choke standing. A guillotine from standing. And yeah. And he sort of just did that. Like that was, that's how he went. It wasn't like he just like fell down. No, I think he ripped his legs down. Like he had them. Yeah. Cause Mercer, like with his old man strength, still kind of like benched him up, you know, pretty good. But Kimbo got ahold of him. That fight was, that was silly. I mean, it was just bad for MMA. I heard the New York thing didn't get passed today, which is terrible. It didn't. Oh, I hadn't heard that yet. That's what I heard. I heard. I haven't. I heard it's like word is on the street. Like rumor has it that, uh, that it's not going to get passed, which is insane. I mean, come on. You tell me like New York city where like everything is legal pretty much. I mean, you know, it's most, I love, I'm from New York, but MMA is not legal. I mean, come on. Yeah, dude. It's been a long time coming. I really thought this was it. I thought this was a tipping point. Especially with the, uh, the bombarding of emails and texts and calls that, you know, the UFC was launching at him yesterday. So people are more progressive in Alabama than New York. I mean, that's, is that what we're saying here? On some things. Come on. On, if getting in your underwear and fighting in a cage, they are a hundred percent. It's insane. It's ridiculous. But, uh, you were doing other things besides just being a comedian. I know I saw online the other day that you are, you're writing a movie. Yes. And it's called pinned, I believe. And it's to, you know, this is like a good thing. It's bringing like some awareness to, to high school wrestling, to wrestling in general, which, you know, which almost got pulled from like the 2000. Olympics. Yeah. 20 Olympics, man. They got it back though. So, yeah. So can you tell me about that a little bit? Sure. Um, it's, I wrote a movie. It's like the first ever kind of slapstick wrestling comedy. There's never really been a comedy about a wrestling team and a coach. And it's that like classic, you know, eighties, nineties movie where, uh, I'll briefly say this guy was supposed to be the best wrestler in the world. Uh, but not in the world. In high school, he was the state champion. Everything was going to go great. He had the girlfriend, he was the king. He was. And then of course his teammate, uh, he takes his teammate spot. So his teammate gives him food poisoning. And then right before the big state tournament, teammate goes on and wins the whole thing. And now it's like 20 years later, the guy's a complete loser. Nothing went, went well. And he inherits his team of misfits. Of course, the best team in the league is coached by the guy who gave him food poisoning. And that's where it sort of starts. Um, and it's, it's a real fun. Movie. It's got lots of twists and turns. It's not going to be predictable as all kinds of like they, and I do coach a wrestling team for little kids. I coach a middle school team for the last 10 years. I've been coaching out in a polar of your middle school and started a high school program for the kids over at Pally. I helped start it. Um, and, uh, I, you know, so many times I come home from practice, I tell my friends what happened. Like I should have moved. It should be in a movie. Oh my God. It's so funny. Holy shit. Wow. I'm doing jokes about it in my act, but I said, you know what? I'm just going to write this movie. So I went out and wrote, it took me a couple of years to write and was sort of script was just sitting there and I'm like, okay, I'll wait until I get famous and then I could be in this movie. And then, you know, you can wait your whole life. And then I started reading a wall. 70% of the movies and Sundance were self financed or, uh, you know, Spike Lee's doing a Kickstarter campaign. And this one's doing a Kickstarter and this one's doing it. And I said, you know what? I'm just gonna do it myself. I'm just going to do my own thing. Not have to worry about anyone else. So, so far we've raised, uh, almost $13,000. Uh, I probably need about 150 to 200 to just make it bare bones. Right. Yeah. But, um, we're getting there. I haven't gone to investors yet and all that stuff. I, I'm trying to do it on myself and it's a lot harder than I thought it was going to be rough. Yeah. That's really rough. Uh, however, you know, I think, uh, guys coming in with 5,000 soon, so we should be up to 17,000. Uh, I got a bunch of, there's a whole, a lot of parts for MMA guys. Cause there's a whole MMA community. Yeah. Uh, component. I'm going to have those guys in it and it's a really fun, it's going to bring a lot to wrestling. It's going to be funny. The interactions with me and the kids are hilarious. Uh, and I'm really excited about it. You know, it's a lot of, uh, less stress and stuff, but, um, I have big news is coming up. I can't talk about it now, but I, I got possibly like two TV shows coming out soon. So, uh, you know, like that should help everything. It's good. It sounded like a, like a kingpin slash mighty ducks. Kingpin. Yeah. I got a lot of, uh, mighty ducks, band, band, band who's bears. And I, I hopefully want to do for, for wrestling, what mighty ducks did for hockey, you know? And, uh, there's, there's all kinds of kids are hilarious in it. I got to school, my old high school, I went to the Hyde school so we could shoot it there. And I think it'll be a lot of fun. I know it will be. Um, I haven't gotten the investor route yet cause I don't want to give up all the control. You know, that's the problem. And you, you start going to like investors to go, okay, well great. But X, I want X, I want Y, I want Z. And the guy puts up the money. That's sort of his, his call. So I'm seeing how much I can raise on my own. If you go to adamhunter.com, adamhunter.com, you can see the Indiegogo campaign. You can donate. Everything helps. I mean, I had 50, almost 53,000 followers on Twitter on MMA roasted. If everyone put in 10 bucks, they can make the movie. We got it. Yeah, absolutely. But some people put in a hundred. I've had guys put in 500. I've had guys put in 750. I had a girl put in 1250. I mean, you know, that's a lot of money. So I've had a lot of people give them $10. Everything helps. That's amazing. If I, if I would have known about it sooner, I definitely have my guys on board and I will for the rest of the rest of the thing. I mean, it's awesome. I definitely would love something like that. We'll give Chris Beal a pardon. Have him get, have him get pinned. Yes. It'd be perfect. Absolutely. Solidify his high school career. And there's also female wrestlers involved. So it's not just for guys. I know like Ashley Evans-Smith and Carla Esparza and there's a whole, the, the, the, the, the female chick on the, female girl on the, on the team, she, she kicks ass. Yeah. Yeah. I love the Mighty Ducks. I mean, that had like such a big influence on me. Like I, I taught at a boxing camp, you know, out in the East and half of the lines I use were actually from the opposing coach or the Mighty Ducks. I had like win the game, like Brandon on these guys, like over the door and stuff. You know what I mean? That's great. Not worth winning if you can't win big, all that stuff. I don't know why. I love that guy. He was the best coach ever. But that was cool, man. So other than that, I mean, you know, wrestling is like one of the things that I've been doing the only sports that you see like people continually give back. You know what I mean? Like it doesn't surprise me that you're coaching a high school team. You know, like my guy, Joseph Henley's and all that. They're always coaching. Mark Munoz constantly, even at the top, top levels. I have kids that literally yesterday, a parent said, Hey, my kid's at wrestling camp. This kid, Luke, who won one match, lost 14 in sixth grade year, eighth grade, not one committed to the second period. I mean, he just pinned everybody. Wow. He was a beast. He's a beast. And he, uh, he's in Mark Munoz's camp right now. And he's like, Hey, Mark Munoz is my counselor. He told me you gave him the nickname, the Filipino wrecking ball. I was like, Oh, that's cool. Like that. Like, so I have three kids that I coached going to Munoz's camp. I think wrestling is such a sport where, you know, it just takes so much out of you. It takes everything you have. I mean, there were, I remember going to practices and the walls were fogged up, just steam. I mean, I remember kids crying. I mean, everything they had. And you learn so much about yourself. What you're made of and never give up. You know, I mean, there were times out there, I remember going out there and like, okay, this kid's bigger, stronger, faster than me. I got to figure out a way to beat him. And you just picked out one move that he can't defend that he's at his, that, that low single, I can get that low single on him every time. All right. Take him down, let him up, take him out, let him up, you know, win that way. And there are times even now, stand up comedy, I'm on stage. I'm like, okay, they're not laughing at the political jokes. They're not laughing at the sex jokes. They're laughing at the crowd work. I got an hour. I have to make them laugh. Otherwise I don't do my job. Like, okay, just find that one thing that gets the crowd going. So there's so much translation of just like being out there by yourself. And it's fun. It's fun also because, you know, Hollywood is so like, oh, did you get headshots? Did you take this workshop? Did you go to acting class? Are you, you know, how's your, how's your smile? I mean, literally I'm in acting class last week and they're talking about crying when you cry on camera. I'm like, how do you, how do I be attractive when you cry? I mean, so like the kids in my class are looking in the mirror pretending to cry. I mean, I was just watching like a best of the best, just watching Eric Roberts cry over and over and just mimicking it. I mean, it's so self-indulgent of like, you gotta have, you have to, you have to, you know, you have to know your good side and your bad side. If I live like that, I'd go crazy. I'd be like, what am I doing? The fact that I could just get out of that, go to a dirty wrestling mat and I mean clean, cause you don't want the kids getting, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, bring warm. But going through this thing. I just be like, all right. I got 15 kids on my team. Don't. Who don't. I mean they, some of them know my comedy. Cause I'd be like 10 push-ups. So I'm like Asian guy in porn. They'll do my jokes back to me. And I'm like, you know. But uh, but for the most part it's just, I get away from all this Hollywood nonsense and just get to just teach kids. Which is fun. Yeah. Dude. It can be uh. Being in L.A. For, for quite a while. Myself. Man. It can be uh. A sticky little. It's such a fake situation. Half the time. it's really cool because um you know a lot of people that went through wrestling like the few celebrities and people who have gone through wrestling you can see like the impact it's had in their life i remember uh when the olympics thing was going down uh bill maher like had this like really inspirational like talk on i don't know if it was like from his podcast or what it was or uh you know what i mean it was it was crazy you know you mean jay moore i'm sorry god why did i say bill maher i was like jeez i just said bill maher yeah no no jay moore i'm sorry yeah absolutely and that was crazy to me because i didn't even know he wrestled before no he did actually i had a friend that um a friend that actually beat chris beal in high school my friend uh my friend passed away uh he was the he was the high school coach that we chose to coach the kids at pally got brain cancer a 28 years old brain cancer like my friend randy aguirre and uh he he! we were having all these fundraisers for him you know i was trying it was like such a sudden thing and jay moore was a guy i contacted and he was like anything you need i'll be there we got to help randy you know like he was like he was a guy no questions asked uh roddy roddy piper another guy like really i was trying to get him to a comedy show he's like i can't do it but let me know if i can skype in like he's i mean he didn't even know the person you know i i feel like there is this like fraternity sorority of of wrestlers i know bill i went to binghamton and they were going to cut some of the program and uh billy baldwin wrestled for binghamton he was super in it mark ruffalo i was in a movie with mark ruffalo i had like i didn't have any lines but i was like his sidekick i was like this featured friend and he found out that i wrestled and he he was like oh man you wrestled it was like no surprise that he did foxcatcher he was he was a big time like wrestler i think i just think it has such an impact on you and it's so different i mean i i love coaching because i get these kids you know in sixth grade seventh eighth grade and they're like oh man you wrestled and they're like oh man you wrestled and they're like oh man you wrestled and they're like oh man you wrestled and they're like oh man you and it's a charter school so you got inner city a lot of inner city's kids you know um and it's funny because like these kids are taught their whole life to knock it off like quit quit fucking around like quit beating up your brother you know quit quit tackling so the fact that i'm like rewarding them for that they can't believe it like well i get to just beat up my friends for an hour this is like all they want to do is live wrestle like even if like they want to learn moves and then when they go hey coach teach me some more moves like this is great teach me a new move their eyes light up because they can't believe it like they can't believe it like they can't believe it like they can't believe it like they can't believe it like they can't believe that like this is like they actually want to learn i i guarantee they're not having the same attitude in math class or science class or whatever it is uh but this day they're really excited that and then the parents are funny too because the parents they know they're the kids are doing something after school they're not really sure what you know but that first match the parents are hooked for life like oh my god this is great i can't believe it and a funny story like so i do coach these kids and uh and i um i do all the announcements before the match and i'm like i'll be like no wrestling 82 pounds i do it like i'm like bruce buffer right and it's and it's a gym full of like like 30 parents and they the kids are kind of they're half are like psyched half of them like what my coach is something wrong with him um but i'm like doing it right and we're wrestling harvard westlake which is like forty thousand dollars a year school middle school i mean you go there it's probably nicer than most college campuses harvard westlake program over there uh the wrestling program is not is i mean we first we lost it on 52 or nothing our first match we got destroyed over the years we've been beating them you know our our program is getting better there's i think i don't know their program is actually trying to rebuild but uh but they have a nice school i mean their school is like super nice and then they've actually a couple of my kids have gotten like financial like sort of scholarships to their high school from wrestling oh nice uh but i'm like hey so i'm doing the announcing and i'm like now wrestling 82 pounds like mike leviowitz his opponent at 83 pounds you know and this guy could look to me and he's like oh my god i'm like oh my god i'm like oh my god i'm like hey you're pretty good at that uh i was like oh thanks man he goes i do that for a living and it's jimmy lennon jr like his son wrestles i'm like wait a minute you're jimmy jr i know you i couldn't believe it i was like i thought it was just like a regular parent and it's like holy shit it's one of the second most famous announcer in the world yeah that's awesome yeah uh yeah it is crazy like the the influence you can have on kids and like in a wrestling program or boxing program because especially if they're like you know disadvantaged kids or like like you're saying you know they're coming from a hard place they have like this respect for you because you can like teach them violence pretty much but you can teach them violence in like a you know a good way you get this kind of mentorship over them because they respect like what you're able to do you know what i mean no they they they're thrilled and like uh it's funny sometimes like i find myself like when they're not listening i'm like uh who here was a four-time class a champion uh anyone no no uh me i was okay all right so you're gonna listen to me like i like i like brought in my like my old highlight film to show the kids that i was like legit you know and uh make them watch them daily i made them watch it but they were they started laughing at my hairstyle they're like oh i'm like all right kids no more that was a cool haircut back in the day and and then one kid started rooting for the other kid i was like he's like i'm like it's me and he's like oh well i wanted to make it even like no you root for me on my own highlight film i yelled did you know you already you already had it spliced perfectly so you were gonna win you didn't figure it out not the brightest kid so what do you think about what's going on with uh these days man they had like a production building fire the other day jose aldo's hurt he's not hurt i mean what's your take on all this uh you know i had chris weidman on my show the other day and he you know he picked conor mcgregor and in the sec by second round knockout and our tk on the second i i go what why you know yeah and uh because conventional wisdom is that aldo wins and he's well you know what was what was this drug test that they refused to have because they didn't know who the guy came in right the coach is talking about retiring uh now there's this broken rib you know which is before the broken rib that was before him i mean you look at those three things you're like either they're they're doing this to really mess with mcgregor's head or you know the the writing's on the wall here you know uh i don't know something's up i mean i think that mendez and um edgar much better matchup like they have a much better shot at beating mcgregor that aldo does you think style wise style wise because they're wrestlers wrestlers he's never fought a wrestler ever i mean he fought uh he fought you know what's his name marcus brumage but he just came in for a shot right he got uppercut you know right uh dennis siever's not a wrestler so and dustin poirier's not a wrestler so i and the one guy that has grappling joe duffy you know submitted him in a match and he's not a wrestler so he's not a wrestler so he's not a wrestler so he's not a wrestler so he's not a wrestler so he's not a wrestler so he's not a wrestler so he's not a wrestler and a half i mean that was three four years ago yeah so i don't know uh but you know you all jose aldo when was the last time you ever saw that guy even look bad i mean he's such a yeah i guess the edgar fight was the last close fight right yeah that was pretty close um he was never really in trouble that fight yeah i guess mendez had him in trouble you know um the second fight maybe kind of you know briefly yeah briefly so i mean i don't know it's just weird although is he also you know what's his name was saying weidman who was saying look this guy's bigger he's more confident and he he's just uh you know he's stronger than aldo he's big for the weight yeah i mean i like having mcgregor because i think he he brings a lot to the sport a lot of people come up who's the irish guy who's that irish guy you know they don't even like the ufc but they know the irish guy and anytime you have that type of you know larger than life character it's great for mma um i don't like how he got to jump everybody yeah i mean what's i and i also don't like how carefully they've matched him up yeah it was kind of crazy when you know cub was like pretty much guaranteed the next lot you know he was definitely you know he put in his work he made his his way up he was number one contender and they're like uh you know what we're gonna go ahead and put you with frankie and then we're gonna give connor a shot versus dennis siever and then after that they're like sorry yeah i went your spot and you know edgar yeah he's fought for the title before so we're gonna let connor go ahead and take a shot it was a little kind of crazy i mean ads that he's willing to come down with 55 i saw that would have been amazing that way come on that that would have been the fight that would have been so cool to have nate diaz give mcgregor the finger i mean that would have been i that would have been hilarious just see if you can get under uh mcgregor skin just the weigh-ins alone would have been worth the price of admission yeah you're right having him given the middle figure to conor mcgregor and mcgregor's giving the middle finger back and plus nate diaz when have you ever seen him fight with conor mcgregor he's been a great fighter but you never saw him really hurt yeah but it's like the rda fight he was busted up but he kept going yeah i mean you never have you ever seen him knocked out or really hurt yeah you're right you can take a licking dude yeah what's crazy is that they're right now saying that although still gonna fight you know that's the thing they're like oh yeah that's still gonna go down and if we need to chad mendez is gonna step in well because i heard that the um it's sold out oh i heard it's sold out so let's say i mean let's say that fight gets canceled, I mean, think about how bad it will be for Vegas that weekend. That's what I'm saying. You think they're just kind of dragging out the subsequent pull of Aldo? They told Mendes to be ready. Yeah, exactly. I think Irish fans would watch this guy fight a cold. Right. If it's Mendes or whatever, and they're in Vegas, and they made their hotels and the flights, they're not going to pull out. They want to see Conor McGregor. They want to see McGregor versus Aldo, but I think they'll watch it versus Mendes. Yeah, they said there would be for an interim title, too, so either way, they'd pass gold onto the fight, but yeah, it's definitely I mean, there's so much build-up to this fight. There's a lot of build-up, dude. It's funny that all these guys came out of the woodwork. What's his name that he wanted to fight, too? The guy that just got who lost to Bermudez. He wanted the fight. I forgot the guy's name. Aldo beat him. I started retweeting it because Mendes is like, I want the fight. Frankie Edgar is like, I'm waiting. Joe Duffy said, hey, let's do a rematch. And then the other guy, I forgot the guy's name. What's his fucking name? I don't know. The guy that lost to Bermudez from Chicago that was a wrestler. I forgot his name, but he came out of the know. All these guys, like, I'll fight him. I mean, you know, they just I mean, the UFC's, I mean, they're in good shape, though, because everyone, this only adds intrigue to the fight. It is definitely easy, even though the betting lines. I would think. Oh, 100%. Yeah, for sure. I just don't understand. And I just don't see Aldo making the fight. If he's really got a rib injury, I mean, have you had one of those before? No. I have. They're horrible. You can't sneeze. You can't. Your whole core is taken out. There's no way you're going to kick. You can't lift your leg. You can't throw a punch. You can't twist. How are you going to clinch? How are you going to take someone down? That's your whole core. Your whole core is taken out of the fight. So I don't understand how, I mean, when I heard, oh, yeah, yeah, he's still going to do it, but Chad's on standby and there'll be an interim, I'm like thinking it's just going to be a few days. They're going to wait a week and then they're going to pull. I think, you know, Brazilians have a lot of pride. A ton of pride. And they come from nothing, these guys, you know. They hate losing. Not that Americans like losing, but they hate losing. And it seems like a lot of them like steroids, they don't look at steroids in a bad way. At least like a lot of these guys. Or some Americans. Some Americans, right. But you look at like Vitor Belfort and Vanderlei Silva and Anderson Silva and Bigfoot. I mean, Bigfoot maybe would have the one excuse, but those are four major guys. It's like they almost rather like, I wouldn't say cheat, but take steroids and win than fear not doing it. That's four major guys right there. Yeah. Well, we haven't seen it with like the lighter guys. Lighter guys haven't been busted for this stuff. But, you know, it just seems like a lot of these guys are like, you know what, they don't look at it as a bad thing. Yeah, and it's like ultimate, you know, performance, you know. They're like, I'm not going back to that favela. I don't care what I gotta take. I'm not going back to that. And you can't really blame them, you know. Well, that's the story with most fighters, right? I mean, I guess it's a little bit different for our American scene because you get all these, these guys that have college wrestling so that, you know, they actually went to college and whatnot. It's a little bit different than boxing, you know. Boxing, no one went to college. They have something to fall back on, you're saying, the wrestlers? Oh, kind of. I mean, you could get a job, maybe, you know. You could sell real estate. You could do something, you know. It just sucks for a lot of these guys that like, you know, from what I know, never took stuff. You know, like guys like Bisbing. It seemed like everyone he fought was tested positive. Even the guys he beat, you know, commonly, they test positive for stuff. The guys like Frankie Edgar, the guys like Chad Mendes, the guys like Uriah Faber, the guys like, you know, Tim Kennedy, Chris Weidman. I mean, it's hard enough to compete against guys who are naturally just monsters. To have to compete against these guys who are monsters and they have the juice, it's like, come on. Yeah. Although when you talk about Kennedy and Weidman, dude, they're like, if those guys ever got on roids, I don't know what the hell they'd look like. They already look like, freaking comic book characters. You know what I mean? Not Weidman as much, but Kennedy, yeah. Weidman, though, is so strong. Like, he's so freakishly strong. You know, he was the first guy that him and Anderson clinched up. And I was like, oh, he's in deep shit. You know, no one clinches with Anderson. Not one person clinches with Anderson. And boom, like, just drops him right off the bat. You know, I was like, that's insane. Well, the thing about it also is that before that fight, all, like, the majority of the pros were picking Weidman. Yeah. And they're picking a guy who's essentially 9-0 versus the... quote-unquote greatest of all time. And they're picking Weidman. Yeah. You could feel it, though. I was, too. But you could see that these fighters are usually the guys who are, like, the most right, most correct when it comes to fights like that. And they're picking a guy that, like, was essentially, like, an unknown. I mean, it was known in MMA circles, but that was it. These guys were like, you know what? You know, this guy's legit. Well, yeah. He was grappling with Andre Galval, like, a year into, like, training. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's grappling at that level. He had super heavy hands. Well, he was saying in college, like, he had Tom Ryan as a coach. And I... Tom Ryan was like... I went to Tom Ryan's wrestling camp. Tom Ryan's, like, super legit. He actually offered me a scholarship to Hofstra, a parts scholarship, for wrestling. I didn't take it. But Weidman didn't believe me on my podcast. He's like, that never fucking happened, man. And then I had to email Tom Ryan. And he's like, it happened. Just so you know. I'll show it to you. So, this is, like, 20 years ago. I'm really becoming Al Bundy. Fucking Paul Kai. It's fucking sad. But... Take what you can get, dude. But, yeah. But Weidman, he was... He was like, yeah, you know. He made it to the semifinals of the NCAAs four years in a row. And he's like, I didn't take it seriously in college. I mean, the fact that you could be on that level. Like, I knew how hard wrestling was in Division III. Yeah. I mean, Division I, you make it to that level of the semifinals of the NCAA tournament, and you're just fucking around. Yeah. I mean, that's a different, special kind of athlete. Dude, he's such a freak. It's insane. And the main thing that I think you can tell when leading into a big fight like that, of, like, something's gonna change hands, is the confidence. Like, you hear every single fighter on the planet go, oh, you know, I'm the top of the game. I'm gonna take him out. I am the one, blah, blah, blah. But you know when some guy believes it. Like, that's the weird thing. And that's what I think even pros, even fans can kind of sense coming up. It was weird, because even, like, Chell, like, his first fight with Anderson, like, you know, it was all talk, all talk. But then all of a sudden, at the end, you're like, I'm not sure if this guy, like, really starting to believe it. You know, like, he's gonna give it a go. But Weidman, though... I was so pissed at that fight at the end. I was so hoping Chell would pull that off. I was, like, I was so rooting for Chell. I'm like, what are you doing? You've won four and a half rounds. Yeah, you didn't have to do anything that last round. Just stay away from him. Just jab. Just stay away, and you... Don't even get into his guard. I mean, all... And he just... He just does not... Like, the stubbornness that makes him great is what eventually causes his demise. He's like, I don't believe in jiu-jitsu. I'll just stay in this guy's guard, and I'll just swim, you know? Yeah, yeah. And you're like, eventually, you're gonna get caught. And now people are like, well... And the worst part about that is I have friends who were like, Anderson did that on purpose. He wanted to teach Chell a lesson. I'm like, he did not lose four and a half rounds on purpose, dude. I have a friend that is convinced that he did that. And it pisses me off. No, he didn't do that on purpose. You got punched in the head 400 times. My friend Shang, I have him on my... He's a comedian. He's a great guy, but he's like, no, if you watch the documentary like water, I'm telling you... I'm like, of course he's gonna say that on purpose. Yeah, of course. That's like, you know... Every fighter is so good at that, though. Like, Ben Askren. Did you see his last fight? Yeah, I did. Oof, it was rough. I don't know, though. It looked like it was turned around at the end. At the end, he finally got a takedown. That guy did really well, you know, for a round and a half. But then once it was on... You know, once he was on his back, he looked pretty helpless. Well, I asked Askren about that. I'm like, and he, like, got taken down, thrown around, was getting tossed around. That guy, I don't think was on... I mean, you can't accuse someone of taking steroids, but if I... In a lineup, if it was a steroid lineup, I would pick him. But Ben Askren, you know, the thing about that fight was... And I asked him about that. He's like, well, listen, I know the guy, I had no gas tank, and my fights are really ugly, so I was going to do whatever I could to burn the guy out. I'm like, that is the perfect thing to say after a performance like that. After getting shucked around. Fighters are so good at telling you, like, you know, why something went right or why something went wrong. They're brilliant at that, you know? Yeah, I mean, Askren kind of does do the same thing every fight, though, man. He is like a, you know, he gets in your... He's almost like a better chail. You know, I want to say that because, you know, Askren, he's more active. You know what I mean? Like, when he's on the ground, he's not just pinning you. He's a better wrestler. That's what I'm saying. He's an Olympian wrestler. Chail's never made the Olympics. You know, two-time national champion. Chail made it to the... He's an All-American, but never a national champion. But his style is different, too. Like, you know, Askren works with, like, in transition. You know what I mean? It's like he's constantly, like, moving. He's not just, like, you know, just holding you on the ground, just not letting you get up. Like, it's just, like, movement after movement after movement. And every movement that you take, you're, like, a step behind him. It's like... He is. I mean, the thing about Askren that I love about him is he's so unconventional. You know, he does things that aren't supposed to work. I mean, he's throwing, like, reverse cradles in national championships. I mean, he's just that guy that you're like, you can't believe this is actually working. And he has, like, the funk. Like, he has stuff. He is. You're absolutely right. It's hard to train for a guy like that because it's hard to get a guy to emulate what he's gonna do. Yeah, no one's gonna do what you're gonna do. Chael didn't have that, like, I guess you can call it, like, that jazz MMA where you just kind of flow with the punch. And everybody that trains with Askren that I know from training with him over at Rufus Sport or guys that wrestled with him in college, Tyron Woodley, the other guy, Mike Chandler, they're like, Askren would be the UFC champion. Yeah. They really believe it. They believe it because he's proven time and time again that his methods work. He's a weird guy. He's, he's like, he doesn't use deodorant. He doesn't wear it. Honestly, he doesn't wear it. He never wears it. He's like, I don't smell. I just, that's, he doesn't smell. I smell them. He's just a weird guy. He runs his wrestling camps. He's kind of a hippie. He doesn't wear shoes. He just has, like, that hair. He kind of, he does things his way. He said, like, last night on Twitter, I was retweeting him because it was funny. Like, his whole Twitter people were like, I would kick Kendrick's ass. I beat Rory McDonald in one round. I would, I would beat Condit pretty easily. I mean, he just says whatever the hell he wants and, and everyone gets mad at him. Like, all these Twitter, fuck you, Askerin. You suck. Like, you're boring. Like, he enjoys pissing everybody off and then people were getting mad at him. People were getting mad at me. Like, stop retweeting him. I'm like, no, dude. This guy makes me laugh. I mean, this, you know, Devin Sawa, like, the actor, this, like, big actor, like, huge actor was like, I'm going to quit Twitter if you keep retweeting. Stop tweeting him. Yeah. Dude, it's amazing. I, I really think that was a big missed opportunity for me in the UFC. I don't know why they didn't take Askerin. I would have loved to see Askerin. I don't think he's boring. Like, I want to see that guy compete. And he's so funny. He's such a clown. Like, he, he just does things to piss people off. I mean, they obviously don't, don't hate him because they, they, they, they let him corner, uh, Pettis. Yeah. You know, if they didn't like him, they would like, but Randy, you're not allowed in the building, you know? But why not just pick him up? I mean, I don't understand it. There's like a golden opportunity being missed here. I think he just pissed off Dana. He called him a fat, bald guy. You know, that's not a good way to call your boss. Like, like, independent contractor, independent contractor. Right. I mean, he's right. You're a lawyer for God. But yeah, I mean, I just think he, but Lorenzo likes him. Joe Silva likes him. The Peter Brothers like him. I, I think Dana is entertained by him. You know, it's, it's weird. It's weird. It's such a great thing. He would be so great. Like they're missing like a whole different character. Yeah. Plus like, if they really didn't like him, they would match him up with Hector Lombard or just a big puncher. And, and, and they would say, okay, let's, let's see how you do. Well, they do that with a lot of guys that come in, like, especially from different organizations. They're like, oh, we can give you, oh yeah. They give them a few, like three to five fights right off the bat that are supposed to, you know, really. Eddie Alvarez. They put him against horrible fights off the bat. Yeah. They put him against Cerrone and then they put him against Gilbert. Yeah. You know, I mean, those, those are not guys. Welcome to the UFC. Let's build you up. You know, and in fairness to them with that one, like Eddie Alvarez was established. Like that guy was established, you know, he's the man. I think Askren comes in and you can't give him anything other than, it's gotta be top 10, but more than likely, they're gonna give him like number five. You know, they'll put him on like a Jake Ellenberger or they'll give him like, yeah, I mean, they'll get him, they'll put up against, the thing about Askren is that he's a wild card. I mean, he could, I mean, he keeps calling out, there's a high school match between him and Hendrix, wrestling match. Oh, that's right. Well, they had like a, it was a great match. It was like, Hendrix had won. Right. By one point or something, but it was a great match. Ben could, I think, I mean, but not based on his last performance, but that was a bad matchup. And I think that Ben wins that fight in the rematch. And he went, he wins that fight in that time. If he hadn't, the eye poke, the guy was kind of looking for a way out, I believe. But Ben could beat these guys. I mean, Robbie Lawler, you know, Askren could essentially be the guy to just out, out wrestle Robbie Lawler. He's not knocking Robbie Lawler out. No. And, you know, he's not really hurting Robbie Lawler, but, you know, he's just a hard guy to fight. Well, stylistically, you know, that's always the question. How are they going to match up, you know, against each other? I, you know, that's the thing. Like, you would see so many fights. I mean, even take the Hendrix-GSP fight. For example, like, you know what I mean? Like, everyone's like, oh, especially Dana, like, you know, GSP lost that fight. You know, GSP lost that fight. But I don't know. Like, I look at it and it's like, where do you get the first round, basically, is, you know, almost how you're going to score that fight. You know what I mean? And I have no problem with giving GSP that first round. I really don't. So, him winning, I was like, that's fine, you know, and they're like, oh, but look at the damage. But then you look at, you know, Hendrix next fight where he beats Robbie Lawler, technically, and you're like, okay, well, that was the same fight in reverse. You know what I mean? and a lot of it is like, you know, the problem with scoring rounds is that one guy wins a round really big. Yeah. Almost a 10-8 round, which they never give 10-8, but a guy dominates a round, and the other guy barely wins a round. And the guy who barely wins a round wins, barely wins three rounds. The other guy kills you for two rounds. So, you go, well, who wins the fight? Yeah. Well, technically, the guy who won, you know, if you go back to old pride rules, the guy who did more damage, would have won. You know, it's hard. It is tough. And a lot of these judges are just, I don't know what they're watching. I mean, you get some guys that turn into scorecards, the numbers don't even add up. Right. It was 26-23, but how does that make any sense? Like, they have numbers that don't even, like, add up to how many rounds there were. Yeah. Well, I mean, we got to work within the framework that we're given now. Like, you know, for better or for worse, like Zufa and MMA and all that, we chose to, like, adopt the boxing score model. I don't know why, but they did. They, like, this is what we're doing. And now they're, like, trying to, like, I know they're giving seminars now, like, big John McCarthy and stuff. It's, like, really, like, working with refs, you know, to try to, like, kind of broaden their horizons. Like, hey, just because this guy is on his back doesn't necessarily mean he's losing. You know, that sort of thing. But it's hard. If you're going to give a 10-point must system, and, like, boxing is clear. Like, you get knocked down, that was a 10-8. You get knocked down twice, that was, you know, a 10-7. But in MMA, you know, it's like, you have to almost get slaughtered for it to be a 10-8 round. Yeah. You know what I mean? There's just no way to do it, you know? I don't know. I think maybe they should do, like, some general thing, like, almost like, like you would pick, like, how hot a girl is or something. You know, out of 10 points, like, how bad did he beat him this round? Was it close? I mean, you know, was it 10-9, or was it, you know? I honestly don't know how to fix it. That's, that's, even with gloves, I wish I had a solution to stop eye poking. Yeah. I wish I had a solution to better judging. I mean. You want to do the Rogan thing? You don't want to just have them take the gloves off? Oh, just bare knuckle? Yeah, that's what Rogan wants. Really? Dude, I listen to, like, five of his podcasts where he, like, really is like, I'm for them taking the gloves off. You think it'd be safer? Which is true, they wouldn't hit as hard. I think you could break your hands a bunch easier that way, though. Yeah, but you wouldn't be hitting the way you're hitting. You know what I mean? Like, the reason why you hit so incredibly hard is because they tape your hand, and then they reinforce that over with a glove, which they tape again. Like, even in boxing, like, your hand feels like a brick. Like, like, picture yourself hitting a heavy bag. Like, you wouldn't go in and throw a punch as hard as you can against a 100-pound heavy bag. You just wouldn't do it, not without a glove on. Now, if you taped your hand, you put a glove on, now you start really unloading. You start uncorking things that you couldn't normally do because your hand was great. So you're saying the punches wouldn't be as hard with a bare knuckle? I'm saying, you know, back in the day in boxing, you used to have, like, 100-round fights with no gloves, and, you know, there probably wasn't as many handbrakes as there is now. There'd be more, I think there'd be more eye pokes with no gloves, no? Yeah, maybe eye pokes. Yeah, you'd have to do something else for eye pokes. I don't know what they'd do. But maybe not, man. I don't know. I have no idea. We've never seen it, like, at our age, you know what I mean? Was there a lot of eye pokes in UFC 1 to, you know, 4 or whatever it was? I don't remember that many. Huh. I think eye poking was legal back then. No, it wasn't. It wasn't. No, it wasn't. But yeah, I don't remember too much, but I do remember them, you know, doing other things. It's crazy, though, when I watch, like, some of these guys, I have, like, them on my podcast, and back when, like, I'll watch, who was it? I was watching, like, Coleman versus Gary Goodrich when headbutting was legal. And literally, he's just on the ground, like, cocking his head back, which was insane. And then there was one where, like, Goodrich was against defense and didn't know what to do, so he scaled towards his corner to, to ask the corner what to do. And Coleman's behind him, throwing punches up, you know, hitting him. My sister saw the fight with Joson getting, you know, punched in the balls. And ever since then, she's never watched, I don't think, MMA again, but she always, like, tells me, are they going to stop the ball punches? Like, when's that going to happen? I was like, they don't do that, you know? I watched a Goodrich fight in Brazil where he literally removed the guy's cup and squeezed the guy's balls. And that's how he got the tap. And he, and he was a professional arm wrestler, so he had some grip, you know? He, I asked him about that on the show. He was like, you know, hey man, they said no rules. No rules is no rules. He's like, I squeezed nuts, I wanted to make peanut butter. Dude, that's no, ah, that like messes with me just hearing it. You know, I don't, I don't, ah, there's got to be some rules. There's got to be something to it, Got to be some rules. Exactly. Yeah. It's weird, like, you know, I was talking to Heat on, like a few weeks ago on this show, and, you know, it's weird, you know, how the rules, you know, you know, he's like, you know, MMA is not for jujitsu anymore. You know what I mean? It's just, that's not, we can't work within this framework. You know what I mean? Like, it's still used, like, the techniques are used, but as far as like being a jujitsu practitioner and then trying to implement your game in a fight, you know, this, this is no, this is no good. It doesn't work anymore. And, you know, a lot of people on the other flip side of saying, you know, the unified rules have kind of favored wrestling because, you know, the taking away the kicks on the ground, no knees on the ground, you know, so you're kind of, you're allowed to take a shot, you know, basically with no repercussion, you know, besides maybe taking a punch to the top of the head. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, what do you think? You think that MMA is kind of now geared towards wrestling or they, they, they just do it that way? I don't really know that much about jujitsu, like the level of here on Gracie to really make that argument. You know, I do think if a guy's on top and letting strikes, he should, you know, I think submission attempts are great, but unless you're pulling off a submission, I'm not really sure you should get a point for attempts, you know? But I have seen fights, I think like it was a Miguel Torres fight where he was doing a lot of damage from the bottom and didn't get, didn't get credit for it, you know? So, yeah, I think like, I think knees, I like watching one FC because they have, they have soccer kicks. Yeah. Even though that's insane, but you're able to knee a down opponent. I don't see why you can't knee a down opponent. I think guys are taking advantage of it now with the one hand on the ground, which I don't blame them for doing that, but that's sort of, is it real fighting? If that's, if you're just kind of like 12, six elbows are dumb. I understand hitting to the back of the head, being illegal because you can kill someone that way. Yeah. You know, I think I'd say majority of the rules are, are, are great, you know? And I think this should be more sport than savage. That's what I'm saying. I mean, that was the, the opposite argument was I, I was talking to Joe Henley and he's thinking, you know, the way to make scoring easier, the way to make jujitsu, more fun, even in MMA, he was saying shorter in the rounds and make more rounds like boxing. He was actually saying, and that was something weird. Cause I never heard that from a jujitsu guy before. Usually just guys are like, I want like a 10 minute first round. You know, like I want like the pride thing. I want to be able, if I get somebody down to go ahead and like slowly work my game, let them fall into something. And Joe's just like, fuck that dude. Like make them work, like make it, you know, happen, happen, happen. He's like, that way you'll actually get like, you know, definitive rounds. You know what I mean? You'll have like a definitive winner over, uh, period of time and, and people will be forced to be more aggressive. Yeah. I don't know. It sounds like something that could work. I don't think you need any more rounds. I mean, the one thing that I think we have over boxing is that you take a lot less damage because you don't have the three standing eight counts. Uh, you don't have 12 rounds. You don't have, you know, you have three rounds, you know, you don't, once a guy's hurt, it's done. Bang. I think more rounds is more brain damage. Yeah. And I think that you want to stop that. You got more ways to defend yourself. That's for sure. I mean, yeah. I mean, you watch fights, uh, like, like that fight last week with, uh, Joanna and Jen check against Jessica Penny. And if you watch that, yeah, that was almost like a murder. I mean, it was insane. Yeah. That was to the point where you're like, stop this fight. What are they doing? I mean, there's so many fights now where I'm like, like Mark Hunt versus Steve Bambi. Oh, my God. That was the worst I've probably seen in like at least a few years. I understand that Mark Hunt has one punch power and he's come back, but, uh, I mean, I mean, what, what are you doing? Like when the guy on top is looking at the ref going, why are you not stopping the fight? The guy on top, stop the fight. I mean, there's so many times that I think there's just unnecessary brain damage. Especially if you've got like Mark Hunt, you look at his, you know, his fights against, uh, you know, Ray, Ray Cepho. And I mean, some of the wars that guy's been in, the Junior Dos Santos fight. I mean, what are you doing? Yeah. I mean, this guy's going to end up, I mean, eventually not him, but a fight, hopefully not him, but a fighter is going to lose his mind and pull a Chris Benoit or something or something insane. Yeah. And they're going to, they're going to trace it back to brain damage and they're going to trace that back to these fights. Yeah. And I understand that most of the brain damage is caused in practice or most of the tough blows are from sparring and, you know, yada, yada, yada. But you don't need to be, there's no reason to let some of these fights go the way they do. It's inevitable. I think, you know, what you're saying, your fears, you know, they're, they're justified. And I honestly think what's, what's sad is that it is inevitable. You know what I mean? A lot of times, you know, especially early on in the sport, we kind of like, you know, Dana and other people have been able to get away with the fact of being like, listen, man, you know, we haven't had any deaths in the UFC. There's no like signs of visible brain damage, but he was saying that like very early, you know, he was saying that in 05, 06, when, you know, MMA was really starting to gain ground, but I'm like, give it some time, you know, give it 10, 15, a concussion is a concussion. You know what I mean? I don't care if you, if you got it by getting punched in the face or if somebody head kicks you, like you are concussed and you know, you can't, I mean, I know you can say, Hey, you know, the commission can be 60 days, no contact, 30 days, no contact. That guy goes home. You don't know what he's doing. You know, you have no idea what he's doing, how early he's going to train, how many, you know what I mean? And that might not technically be enough time. You know, these organizations that have to stop letting these, somebody's got to fight. Like I understand like getting Jen's pulver to fight in your organization will bring eyeballs to it. But you know, the, the, the Jen's pulvers, the, the Ken Shamrocks, the Kimbo, I mean the, some of these older guys that have just taken too many punches, in my opinion, I know you don't want to, you know, say that, but these guys like, Oh, you know, the Matt Hughes, I'm, I'm willing to come back. I mean, Hoist Gracie last week said, I'll come back and fight. Come on. What are we trying? What are we doing here? I mean, if, if you're going to make a seniors league, make a legends division, if you're going to make that and all the fights, you're going to be Ken Shamrock versus Kimbo. Fine. You want to make Mark Coleman versus Don Fry right now. I I'll, I'll watch it. I'll watch it. I'll watch Tank Abbott versus, you know, uh, you know, Ivan, whatever, but, but, but you don't want to, but stop putting them against these young guys with, with don't, don't put, you know, Hector Lombard against, uh, against, you know, whoever some of these guys are. And it's just, it's just, I understand these guys need money. And yada, yada. And these, you know, native American reservations are willing to put on some of these fights, but it's not right. In my opinion, to do that. What do you think about, uh, what Coker's doing now? Did you hear about the next, uh, big event for September? The four. Yeah. What do you think about that? I think that's fine. I think that's, you know, I'm excited for that. Which, which one? The one that they, Oh, I don't like the glory. You don't like the Schilling versus Paul Daly. I don't like the, how they're doing glory, kickboxing and MMA in one event. Okay. They're combining the events. Yeah, I know. And I understand. Is it just that one fight? I think it's just that one fight. Just that one fight. I don't know. Personally, like I like watching kickboxing, but if I want to watch kickboxing, I'll watch kickboxing. So I suppose they're going to do it in the cage. I know they're combining the event. So it's gotta be right. Yeah. And I just, I just find it like, if I want to watch kickboxing, kickboxing, MMA, MMA. I don't, I mean, what's next? You're going to have a collegiate wrestling match in there. And then they're going to have a judo thing and they're going to, you know, it's eventually it's too much. Yeah. They have a boxing match. It's just, to me, I understand why he's doing it. And I think glory ratings are down. They're, they're really down. He's helping them out. Well, he's probably like, yeah, he's maybe, maybe he's thinking if, if more eyeballs are on, are on glory during the event, that people are going to then go watch the next glory events. And, you know, sure. Joe Schilling is always going to be a very exciting fighter. Paul Daly, and he is, yeah, it's going to be a great fight. The same time. I just think that it's, um, it's kind of becomes a circus. Some, it's a great, it's one of those things on paper. You're like, Oh, I'm excited. And then when I think you see it, it's like when, you know, affliction had anthrax do a concert. That's right. Oh my God. I totally forgot about that. Like on paper, you're like, Oh, anthrax is before me. That's great. Yeah. Yeah. Why not? You know, but then you're like, it was a dumb, it was terrible. I was like, if I want to watch what an anthrax concert, yeah. And it's a little, I'm making a couple of leaps here, but, uh, as far as the four man, one thing, I think it's going to be great because, uh, although I think it's going to end up King Mo versus, versus Phil Davis in the finals, I'd be surprised. And that's going to be a wrestling match. Yeah. Uh, but I think Phil Davis wins that. You think so? I do. Huh. I don't know. I'm kind of leaning the other way. I, uh, I think it's what I'm finding weird is though, it's like, I know he got that approved probably by saying they're not going to fight more than 25 minutes because it's in California. It's in San Jose. Right. So their first matchups are two rounds. And then for the championship or whatever to win the tournament will be three rounds. Oh, that's stupid. But what happens if they go one in one, the first round? Yeah. There's probably an overtime. How can they do that though? Cause then they're going to go over 25 minutes of fight time. You see what I'm saying? I don't know. That is a weird thing, but I think two rounds doesn't make a good MMA fight. Yeah. There's a reason, you know, it's three and five and they're not out there. They're odd numbers. Not even. Yeah. I would have supposed they probably wanted a rampage for that originally too, huh? Yeah. Ram, the rampage would be great in that, especially for a two round fight, you know? Yeah. I think rampage would probably be the king of the two round fights. It seems to be third round is when he seems to lose his, his team. A one round fight, especially. Yeah. And then, then the other thing is, uh, like you're saying, you know, old fighters fighting young fighters again, and then they're giving Tito the title shot. Yeah. You know, as much as like, I think that, uh, it's a bad idea. Tito's been looking pretty good. I mean, they've carefully matched him up with Slomenko, who he outweighed by 40 pounds. And then you got Bonner. And then Bonner, who I think like, I think he did like one day on the treadmill to, to prepare for that fight. Uh, but, but yeah, I don't, I don't think, but Tito, I don't, I don't see Tito winning that fight. Yeah. It seems like this is my, that kid looks really good. He does, right? Yeah. Yeah. He's got a great team at AKA. He's undefeated. He seems pretty cocky. Uh, he's got, he got the good attitude. I like Tito. I just feel like Tito's a little slow. Well, Noom's on a great run there, you know, before he came along, you know what I mean? If you beat King Mo twice, you know, that's about as good as it's going to get, especially when King Mo can go up to heavyweight and beat Congo. You know, that's, that's insane. Yeah. That's what I was thinking with the Phil Davis fight that you were saying. I don't know. I just, I think, you know, King Mo will neutralize him, obviously the wrestling, and then he hits harder than Phil. That's, that's where I see him getting the advantage. He's just, he's, his boxing's probably a little bit better, but you never know. Stylistically, that's, that's the other thing. You just gotta, gotta work it out, you know? Well, he has a tough time against black people. So you look at most of it, two out of three losses were against Anthony Johnson and against Rashad Evans. Yeah. So, I thought he beat Baylor. You gotta factor that in, I guess, right? He doesn't do well against the brothers. He's like the, he's like the anti-Kim Kardashian. So there you go. He loves the boys. Yeah, man, it's, it's been crazy. I'm kind of happy though, that Bellator is, is kind of doing the, uh, the freak show stuff every now and then. I shouldn't even say freak show. I mean, this is like, it's a spectacle, it's a circus, but I mean, you know, what are you going to do though? Like, if you're a promotion right now, the UFC is almost MMA entirely. You know what I mean? Well, they got lucky with the rebound deal, Bellator, because they are, they're now attracting people that could like sponsors. There's so many fighters out there who are, are not happy or losing money. They're, they're guys with really good management. Who were able to secure them, you know, Chico's bail bonds and this one and that one, and dude wipes and, you know, a condom Depot and these other stuff, they were paying them good money. Now they're not, you know? So Bellator is like, Hey, come over here. And then you have the whole spike thing. Then you have these funny intros, you know, whether they're like fire and people dancing and stuff like that. But I think that is what is going to attract people. I think, I think when you have things like, uh, you know, you think the entrance, or the condom Depot sponsors, I think the sponsors and the entrances and the spike is what's going to attract people. I think that when you have, uh, you know, Ken Shamrock Kimbo on the card, it, it devalues it. But it did great though. Yeah, maybe I think, but I think it's also when you had Tito versus the guy in the mask, you know, Tito versus Bonner. And what's his name comes out with a mask. Yeah. I don't know why they did that. Like there wasn't like an explanation of why that guy's in the get mask. And then he takes, he takes it off. And he's like, I used to train with you. Yeah. You owe me money from the club. But I think that kind of shit is like, like, it's like one step. I understand like you got to take risks and stuff, but does that make comedy easier in this field though? Oh yeah. Because you're watching it going. It's insane. Right. What are you guys doing? It's pretty embarrassing. I, you like MMA for a long time. Like, you know, even me as an attorney is not like something you can say, Hey, I also like work in the field. You know what I mean? It gets rough. I mean, these comedy, they almost think that you're doing it on purpose, right? Well, it's funny. I mean, it's, it's great for me because you like, especially with those text chats, cause I would have a guy in the mask come out. I mean, it was just so, so, I mean, you're, you're watching it laughing, not laughing with the situation you're laughing at, like with Conor McGregor, you're laughing with him, with Chael, you were laughing with him, uh, with certain people you're laughing with him. I just, uh, other stuff. You're like, you're laughing at it. You know, you're laughing at Justin McCauley and a mask. You know, you're, you're laughing at Ken Shamrock and Kimbo, which might be a fix, you know, like that kind of shit you're laughing at. You're laughing at Yoel Romero, you know, not getting off his stool, uh, start the round or, or him shitting himself in the fight before that. You're laughing at the guy with a boner. I forgot the guy's name had a boner during the weigh-ins or, you know, like that kind of stuff is, is funny. MMA has provided so many of these things that other sports don't do. I mean, you would never get, like Pete Sanford's, you know, managing a tennis player and then making, making a press conference where you just can't even get out a sentence. You know what I mean? Oh yeah. Well, you never get Dana White, the president of the company calling people eggs on Twitter and like, and like, like clown shoes, like, or like he would say things like, uh, he would look at the guy's picture and be like, clean your bathroom. I mean, you would never have Roger Goodell, like arguing with football fans on Twitter. And that's what, but Mike Goldberg, remember Mike Goldberg, he got in trouble for that. He got fired. He was like, go fuck yourself. I love my life. Hashtag live with a dream. And they were like, put on a headset, fucker. They were like, get this guy out of here. But in MMA, that's totally cool. I mean, if that's, that's what I love about the sport. I mean, I love that, that like a part of it's funny, but if part of it's like, you love the fact that it's like, it's, it's really like take no prisoners. And like the, the head of the company is, is willing to put himself on, like, he's tweeting out, relax guys. You know, that's fucking great. I like, love that. When Goldberg had that situation, I was wondering if the NFL fans were really that hard on him or just like the MMA fans, like really sticking it to him. Well, the MMA fans were not cool what they did to him. I mean, do you think it was mostly MMA? Well, a lot of it was like some of the bloody elbow guys that they made like a montage of like his biggest gaffes. Like it was his first time. He could have made a lot of money. He had been doing it for in Arizona. He was the college play, my play guy in Arizona where he lives. He was actually doing pretty well. I mean, it's hard to step into that thing. And all of a sudden people are writing articles saying how much he sucks. Yeah. And you know that to me, that wasn't cool because it was his first day, but then he could have just, you know, not said anything. Right. Shut his mouth, went back the next week, the weekend, and then he wouldn't have been as bad. You would have done great. Yeah. You know, but instead he goes, go fuck yourself. And then people are like, I think the NFL are like, listen, we're like sponsored by, by, he's here. We're sponsored by general motors. You can't have the guy telling people to go fuck himself. And he gets fired. And he's like, I'm going to sit this week out. Yeah, sure. You are. Yeah. You guys kind of felt bad for the guy. He lost. He failed publicly, you know? Yeah. I mean, but learning experience and we get to have him back in our, our little community. You know what I mean? Oh no, man. I mean, yeah, I guess. You almost, he was almost out. He was almost out. We pulled him right back in. It was, it was messed up how, how fucked up the fans were to him. And I don't do, that like, even though I, I may roasted, I made a couple of jokes after the fact, cause I had to, he had already gotten fired and stuff. It's like, but I, I try not to make jokes about people after they lose, after they met, you know, get knocked out or stuff like that. Because the times that I've gotten people really upset with me, but like, like I were making jokes like that. And also because you try not to kick people when they're down. Unfortunately, it's like funnier that way. Well, Adam, we're about out of time. Tell me, where are you going to be? What do you got coming up? Uh, in Vegas, I will be, uh, at the V theater in planet Hollywood on international fight week. Uh, I'll be there on Wednesday night and Thursday night. If you go to my Twitter feed, which is at MMA roasted or at Adam comedian, you can buy tickets. If you put, uh, the promo code MMA, it's $15 to get in. Uh, I will also, uh, be at, um, in Naples in June at, um, at off the hook comedy club. And, uh, if you go to Adam hunter.com, you can see my whole schedule. I got this movie called pinned. It's the Indiegogo. It's at Adam hunter.com. Please donate money for that. And, uh, you can listen to my podcast, MMA roasted podcast, which starting next week will be on the sideshow network. Awesome. Thank you so much. So everyone, please, please, please, please support pin. That, that is a really great, uh, project coming up. I think that we could really get behind that and, and help them make that happen because, uh, we need more films like that. We, that's exactly what we need right now. And, uh, please go check out Adam at all the spots, Adam hunter, the young, good looking, talented comedian, high school wrestling phenom, and, the state of new England. You know, you don't get much better than that. Thank you, dude. I'm trying to make it bigger. You got to make it as big as it possibly be. You know what I mean? Yes. Thank you. All right. We'll check them out and we will see you next week on the drum technique. Thank you. Thanks man. Drum technique. You ready? Drum technique. Drum technique. Listen.