Tony Pasensky on jiu-jitsu history and training

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L A this is mat time radio all right everybody we're back mat time radio is live again I'm rich I'm trail and we're coming to you from the new studio here in beautiful downtown Los Angeles yes sir finally back after a long break but we're good to be on the air and talking to you about today's fight all right all right so we are live and we want to hear from you so you can call in the show at 1-800-893-9562 or you can find us on facebook or twitter and we want to talk about the fights everything MMA jiu-jitsu related and uh! don't forget karate don't forget judo judo know what we're going to be talking about and we do got an exciting guest in the studio with us today on our little round table going on here who do we got yeah we got uh BJJ black belt under uh the BJJ revolution team Tony Pasensky we like to call him little Tony say what's up Tony how you doing everyone thank you for having me all right welcome welcome I almost feel like we all we all need nicknames now because he's got little Tony we'll find out what they call him little Tony and we'll see you next time I'm just going to call myself queasy whoa okay or holy queasy and uh so just getting the last night wow what an exciting round of fights last night yeah I mean I'm a good fighter did you see it Tony uh no I was at another event uh but I know that the fights last night were amazing and uh I'm sorry that I missed them yeah what were you at last night I was at respect in the cage in Pomona oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and guys and that's a he's a big dude man yeah he is oh he's solid i mean that's a big dude right yeah so i've seen that pictures i was like that's a big dude we had some buddies over there fighting at uh at fox theater yesterday too i only saw the main event which was a part of in the ring oh okay joe camacho fight versus christos and it went five rounds and we came out on top nice we got up to the decision oh okay oh right on right on well shout out to to uh christos right yeah christos he's the light heavyweight champion nice very nice so don fry is he still fighting or he's uh that's it he's done uh i know he's got something coming up uh he's training he's getting back in who just had some back surgery oh okay yeah he's at the tail end of his career i would say uh yeah a little rematch against uh don severed that'd be pretty sweet right like that's exactly what i was gonna say well he's gonna go to dan seven route because he's just you know that'll be like uh five one minute rounds yeah i think they do have it he told me they're gonna have three minutes and then they're gonna have three minutes and then they're gonna have three minutes and then minute rounds i said well you got the masters divisions as the old-timers wow there's nothing wrong with the master great sense of humor though good guy yeah yeah the last time i saw him fight wow was actually a few years back he fought um this guy they call him predator he fighting king of the cage uh yeah he fought actually uh he fought king of the cage the same day charlie valencia fought uriah faber their first fight out in globe arizona okay that's when charlie was um you know making his comeback and uh that was quite a drive out there but yeah he was actually on that card too well that's where he lives right he's from arizona yeah he comes out with his truck and it's arizona plates he does yeah i don't know i just got a lot a lot of uh information with that yeah it's a nice six hour drive he don't care man yeah showing up to fight that guy he's a big dude i see that picture i was like that is a big dude yeah um training he's you know he's a solid guy he does a lot of his technique like jiu jitsu wise like on the mat is uh i would say a lot of like little catch wrestling moves like he's just looking for some submissions oh he's just looking for some submissions oh he's just looking for some submissions oh he's just looking for some submissions he's just looking for some submissions oh he is back into it and you know the punching and then you know you you know martial arts and jiu jitsu it's like the person puts their weight on you and they put the the wrist across your neck and the forearm and you can you can count that but when don does it it's solid it doesn't move yeah very well it's a little bit different did you guys make an exact exception letting him on the mat with his boots on or what that's funny man no he's got to take his boots off yeah hey hey so before we we dwell into these fights maybe you can tell us a little bit i mean let everybody know a little bit about what you're doing in the fight yeah about um your background yeah your background and why they call you little tony i know you're probably the story everyone always asks you why little tony yeah uh you know it started jiu jitsu in 95 i wanted to do jiu jitsu because so hoist gracie ultimate fighting and i sent away for his instructional tapes and um yeah i got on the mailing list and philadelphia had steve maxwell who was pretty much known for um being the first american black belt under helson gracie and he was a personal trainer back then still is now he's really heavily involved in kettlebells and they were like yeah we have jiu jitsu there the real thing and when i showed up steve was the purple belt he was one of like the only instructors on the east coast at the time phil emigler reese is a black belt now under house and gracie and the amygdala reese brothers they were all there and i was trained there and i was a little scout in the mat you know 130 pounds 16 years old and little tony and got very technical moved out here to southern california torrance california to do instructors training under horian hoist gracie with a one-way ticket one thousand dollars in my first year and i was a little tony at the gracie academy when hoist gave me that name and you know kept it going he didn't give you a brazilian name no little time come on it just stuck and it was good you know worked out but uh you know moving forward then five years moved in got moved back to philadelphia did the whole college thing got my degree and uh met rodrigo manderos in pb in san diego after 10 years of training and i joined his team i had my brown belt for two years he made me i'm almost going on my brown belt for five years he finally promoted me to uh black belt in 2004. you know the crazy thing about that story is like obviously now you know you can go on a website and put in jiu jitsu and do all this stuff and download videos on youtube but like back in 95 i mean there probably wasn't much going on you're talking about almost at the infancy of jiu jitsu man so that's a pretty pretty big move right i remember the first website and the when i started jiu jitsu like the internet was just starting there was no youtube there wasn't even an internet it was just just getting started and then i started jiu jitsu and i started jiu jitsu and i started jiu jitsu and i started chuck norris hasn't created it yet huh no chuck norris was doing jiu jitsu back then he was on the cover of the magazines with my shadow and i said yeah i want to do and i remember looking up the machado is like they're in redondo i pulled up a that's right atlas i have a book i go where the hell is redondo at you know so yeah back then you had to pull out your thomas guide you're going anywhere yeah 674 b2 right like so what'd your parents say about all that stuff um jiu jitsu that's the first thing i ever wanted to do in my life for myself it was a passion and i wasn't a city by myself but i said that's got to change yeah you know come from the suburbs and you know white boy so did you want to do it for any i mean did you like obviously uh when you see when you go to black belt ceremonies like we were just at one but you know everyone's got a story and like joel tudor's story is pretty crazy and and uh emily the girl who's there her story was really crazy i don't know it was emotional that was a crazy story but crying yeah well i mean did you have a story like that did you you know you were up in uh a philly and somebody stole your cheese or something no i mean you know somebody said give me that cheesesteak sandwich i don't know i like i always had like i was always the smallest one in my social group like my friends with tough guys and you know i try to stay out of trouble but um you know i was just really into team sports anymore i was really good at everything i did and you know street fire 2 was a very popular video game and then one guy a crazy guy like you know he lost and he picked me up on my neck and head butted me in the face like uh-huh like he rattled me i'm like this guy's so i mean if there's a moment in my life where i felt like i got to know how to do martial arts yeah it was probably after that and uh you know i had wrestled at different camps and did karate jiu-jitsu and then jiu-jitsu just seemed like logical fit and it all came at the right time like there's a reason why hoist gracie's very popular and ultra fighting blew up everything happens at the right time yeah i mean he's obviously the pioneer of the sport out here you know for sure yeah that's kind of that's a that's a cool story though yeah yeah for sure no my story is much like uh jiu-jitsu is like a piece of a foreign sport i'm not sure if you're a fan of jiu-jitsu but i'm a fan of jiu-jitsu and i think that's a good thing about jiu-jitsu is that you know you can learn a piece of a form of knowledge and you can build off it so it's the first thing that i really learned how to do effectively and then you know when i went back into college i had missed like two or three years because i was out here in california surfing and doing instructors training and uh you know i had learning disabilities and everything from education so it was a big deal for me to you know go back into college and and relate to jiu-jitsu on all my classes and then graduate with honors and then you know now i got my degree and my master's degree doing the back end which is marketing and instructional dvds and all that other stuff you got going on too right right um you know how learning how to structure content so people can understand it be entertained by it so they're not bored right definitely yeah definitely no especially how you know just media is changing and uh you know the way people get their information now uh you know a lot of the ways we used to get information is all dinosaur you know we're just talking about it you know like uh just you know the common things that we're used to phone books a landline telephone just just the way that we keep in touch with each other it's all you know it's all changing and uh just like the sport of jiu-jitsu you gotta evolve and you gotta adapt or you know you're gonna be left behind yeah trying to get that information out to whoever wants it right away right because i mean the window's pretty small it is and um it goes in full circles too like the seminar yesterday and content and all the new guys that are starting out how fast they're learning and even people are just starting martial arts and jitsu today, if they're a little bit older, there's been a lot of things that happen and we have to, you know, reserve our history and make sure that, you know, we know where things are coming from. Yeah. I mean, I think it's a great sport for any age. Yeah. And a lot of, you know, a lot of these kids now we're kind of seeing that, you know, in the very near future, we're going to have this generation of kids that are going to be true mixed martial artists where, you know, how so many of us come from one, one style or one background. And we have to kind of build off, you know, that, that base and stuff where a lot of these children are very, very, you know, well-rounded. We're going to see a lot. I think the fights are going to be a lot different too. When you get these kids that have been training MMA specifically, you know, since they're, you know, really, really young. Yeah. Well, I mean, you get to absorb everything when you're young, you know, take me in my mid thirties. I'm like, oh man, I should have wrote that down. Yeah. Not, not anything like my story, where I started training when I was 30 and, you know, the first martial art ever. And, you know, it's just, yeah, it's a different, different thing, you know, or looking at our, you know, like just our friends and people in our own, you know, training camp, you know, like for example, like Noah Tillis, you know, Noah's been, you know, grappling since, you know, seven or eight or something like that. Yeah. He really, really grew up and, you know, in a sport and, you know, he's looking to do big things very, very soon. And, you know, the young person that's, you know, just ahead of the curve, you know, doing his thing. Yeah. So you're over, you're over in, uh, is it Manhattan beach now or Redondo beach? Redondo beach. Okay. Yeah. I came back to Redondo cause that's my, that's where, uh, you know, I did a lot of maturing. Yeah. So, uh, yeah, I'm out there doing jujitsu program director at elite training center and, uh, you know, working with them, building their program. So, uh, among other things. Yeah, they do. Uh, I know I've been by there once to do some Krav Maga stuff over there and. Right. I mean, it follows what Rich just said about the helps the little kids and the youth and the teenagers are learning everything. There's MMA, there's crowd, there's like jujitsu is in the program and they're just learning it. I hope they're not teaching them the growing strikes though. No, they are learning this. Is that really true? Krav Maga, everything starts off with a growing strike. I, my first class I did. Yeah. They were doing growing kicks and I got kicked in the groin recently. You didn't wear a cup, man. No, I'm not. I wear my geek pants. I'm doing jujitsu and then I jump in. Let's see what you got to do is go back to your jujitsu pants from 95 where the crotch was down to your knees. Yeah. Throw them off a little. Yeah. My lion kimono. I still can remember the smell, the natural color. Yeah. Lion Krugan. I wish I had my Krugans. I have one, but I don't have the pants. I still have one. It'll sand down the paint on your car. That thing. Yeah. They were rough back then. They are right. Yeah, they were. And they still are. If you can, uh, but yeah, they're Krugans. But you say Krugan right now. I don't think anybody knows what that means. No, they're, um, heard, heard the name. Don't know anyone that has one. Right. Yeah. I got one. I actually had two. And then what I did is I took one and it was already torn. So I cut the lapels off and I used the lapels to do pull-ups because it strains your grip. Right. All right. Yeah. Talk about that. Grapple, grapple, grapple grip is one of my sponsors. Oh, okay. So that's a definitely grip strength in jujitsu. Yeah. Oh yeah. I know. Mr. Gorilla grip here, man. Yeah. Strong grip. Yeah. You try to pull your arm off. I'll take your sleeve. That's cool. You mentioned the Krugans. So we've got to have a revival of some Krugans. Maybe you can start a fan page on Krugan. Well, they have one, but you know, but you know, I, I don't know, man, I, I'm, um, I don't want to say I'm a traditionalist, but I like the, the simple geese, you know, I don't like all the crazy stuff, you know, but the Krugans got the tribal bands or you're just like, that's so ugly, dude. Yeah. They know before the first Krugans that were coming out in 97, they didn't have the tribal band. So when they went that way, I was like, ah, there's always another gear. Anyway, but what's it like? There's one guy out there. Like, I even had like across the back. It looked like you're wearing a tram stamp with your guy on and stuff. I don't want to talk bad about Krugan kimonos. No, it's a good guy, man. I mean, they were, they were great when they came out and everybody wanted one, but you couldn't get it because it was in Brazil and you had to have a friend and then you're at a tournament and they're like, you want to buy this Krugan? And I'm like, man, I don't have 120 bucks. You know? And then you look at who's trying to sell to you. And I'm like, I know who that guy, is, you know, and it's like, I would love to be like him one day, you know? That's kind of like the buzz that was going around too, just even, you know, recently, well, not too recently, but I remember the Lucky Gear. The Lucky Gear was like, you know, ooh, the thing to have, you know? But that's like 200 something bucks, man. That's what I'm saying. A lot of money for it. What do you think about that? I mean, I know you don't want to upset nobody, but like. No, I don't. Hell, if we're going to do it, I mean, my sponsor right now is Kawaii Kimonos. So I like my kimono from Kawaii. Oh, you don't want to? I just see that, that you're wearing that blue one. Everyone holds it and they're like, man, it's unique. It's unique. Like, look how light it is. I'm like, yep. The boys from Kawaii, they developed something. The lightest ripstop gi in the world. But it's not like official. You couldn't wear it at a tournament. Yeah, yeah. I heard they're going away from ripstop pants too, right? Right. So it's, you know, you have. I hate ripstop. But look, all the gis that are coming out now, the companies, they come up with different colors and people, you know, when those tournaments begin in Southern California, they have lines lined up, you know, to pick up. The newest trend of gi. Yeah. So, you know, it's probably like when you get a new set of tennis shoes, you think you dunk the ball. Like, dude, you're 5'6". You ain't dunking the ball. Yeah. I like that parody that Ken Promola did on the fancy gi and stuff. I don't know if you ever saw that one. He's wearing his old, old, you know, gi that was a gift. And this guy's like, oh, I'm rocking the latest, greatest gi and this and that. And he's getting tapped out like every two seconds. And you're like, oh, yeah, I really like your new gi, man. You know, it helps me tap you out quick. Yeah, that's true. Well, that was, I mean, we're going to do history of the gis. When the Howard Combat Kimono Gi came out, they came out with a double weave, like really thick collar. So everybody started buying that because they wanted, you know, it was making it hard for the collar choke from the front, the X choke. Yeah. And then I remember people having to take those gis off during the Jiu-Jitsu tournaments. Oh, because they weren't heavy Jiu-Jitsu. They were that thick. A lot of Brazilians were like, no, you got to take that gi off. Like, it's not official. But we didn't have the official rule. Yeah. Yeah. It's just whatever was coming up. It was just the sport was changing with the gis. And it just kept going. And IBJJF still, you know, they're very strict on their gi requirements and stuff. Very, very strict. Well, they're getting strict. I heard they're only doing black and whites for black belts now at tournaments. Okay. Yeah. They're doing the white and blue for everyone now. I guess white and black would be appropriate for the blacks. I think it was white and blue. It was white and blue? Yeah. I think it was white and blue. Oh, okay. I'm just throwing people out there. I thought it was, is it white and blue? Well, I know according to, to Rodrigo, you know, I remember he said beginning of the year, IBJJF is going to go back to, you know, a new set of rules. Some, some are new. Some are old rules coming back. So I guess we really have to, you know, stay tuned to, you know, the upcoming set of like changes is coming, coming around for the next year. So, yeah. Don't quote us on, on it yet. You know, just check out the IBJJF website, you know, next year. But I was working the event at the Nogi Worlds and, you know. But that's Nogi. Yeah. Well, even to give you an example of how strict IBJJF is with, with rules, you know, as we're talking about rules, you know, they're talking about, you know, uniform rash guard color, you know, patches on your shorts, not enough black or not enough blue, not enough this, you know. I've seen so many people get turned away. Yeah. My belt was, I had an old belt. Oh, yeah. And it was just, the guy told me it was too old. You got to get a new belt. So now I go, well, I got one in my car. And I'm like, well, I got to run to my car. He's like, well, you can go upstairs and buy one. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, there are people taking their geese off. Patches were getting ripped off because of the placement of where the patches were. Some of the geese had a, like a mouthpiece holder on the inside. Yeah, yeah. And they were ripping those off. That blue belt color was too light. It was too light. So you got to get a different, you got to get a darker blue belt. And all the stuff was upstairs. So it was like, it was like an assembly line. You know, we just want to compete. We paid all our fees. We dropped all our weight. Yeah, that happened. At the last second, like, oh, man. Yeah, that happened to me at the Pan Ams. Pan Ams. Because I was wearing a Corral. Corral belt. And they said it was too light. Exactly. Right? And so I said, hey, go get a new belt upstairs. And they're like, oh, man. You try to ask everybody. Yeah, you know, hopefully you can find a teammate or something. You know, that saved me in a bind once where, you know, I pulled the loops on my, I pulled a straw string on my gee pads and snap, you know. And sometimes those things happen. But, yeah, definitely we got to be on the lookout for the new sets of rules that are going to be coming out. Yeah, I would love to hear if we have any callers. Call in about what are their gripes about the IB, JJF. Everyone's going to have them, right? You know, speaking of that, what time is it? We're probably almost getting ready to take a break, though. Yeah, we got a little bit, but yeah. Yeah, but I was, one of the things I know this year at the Nogi Worlds, right, you were at? Yeah. There was a lot of people getting DQ'd for reaping. Yeah. What do you think about that? You got to protect your athletes. People need to understand the rules. Yeah. You know, the footlock. When you're at the, it's all about where you're at in the level. Like, if you're at the higher level black belts, there's like a panic pain right now. Like, let us reap the knees because, you know, we know what level we're at. We can protect ourselves. We know the risk. Right. Let us do it. But the development belts, no. They can get injured so easily. A footlock can turn right into a knee lock when you start reaping the knee so soon. Well, you know, and I heard actually something you said somewhere where you were talking about, you've got a 50-50 instructional DVD, right? Yes. And you were talking about. It's better to know about it so if you get caught there, you don't make the wrong move and get yourself hurt, right? Right. I mean, exploring the position 50-50 guard without the gi or with the gi, it's very important to understand the rules. Right. And when you're in a position like that, the 50-50 guard, you know, a lot of people don't explore it. So a big guy can come up and hurt your knee from the bottom. You know, you're trying to get the best knowledge. So, and you're moving around really fast, things pop. Like Chris Cowboy, he's a friend of ours on the team, and his meniscus popped when he played 50-50 guard. And it happens. So when you're in a position in the academy, you have to know how to get out of it at least or explore it to learn how to do the heel hook for MMA or no gi. And then when you have the gi, you can't do the heel hook, so you've got to understand the rules of the advantage points and the sweep game. Right. And then ultimately then you can call it is it a stalling position or not. And with the sport evolving and the position evolving, it's not a stalling position anymore. Yeah. So know it or you're going to get beat by it. Right on. Yeah. We're going to take a quick break, and we're going to be back with some more Madtime Radio. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. Ref stopped it. Safety of the competitors. Yeah, see? Live to train another day. There'll be another tournament. There always is. Man, and then you watch that, what's that judo girl's name? Rousey? What's her name? The judo chick. The girl in Santa Monica? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fight for Strikeforce? Yeah. Did you see her last fight? I just saw some clips on her because she's starting to become more popular. Her last fight was on Friday, I think it was. She's won every fight by armbar. Right. And she, I mean, took the girl down, sat on her. I mean, armbarred her. The girl tried to fight her by coming over. She had inverted armbar. And when she turned back over the ref stopped it, she dislocated the girl's elbow. It was so ugly, dude. Yeah? It was ugly. I mean, she tried to roll out of an armbar, though, you know? Yeah. Yeah, that's awesome. If you win an MMA fight with an armblock. I like to see the technique. But anytime I see things like a heel hook or a leg lock, I turn away. I still got that look. Yeah. You ever been injured with any of those moves? I've had a lot of injuries. Knock on wood. Thank you. Mainly my knees right now. My meniscus. A lot of accidents. You know, you wrestle around with wrestlers and they pop your knee. And it's like, ah. But, you know, that's the thing. If you want to do this martial arts for a long time, you have to be very selective with your training partners. And, you know, stay away from some dangerous moves. Well, I mean, I, well, I was just, I agree with that because sometimes, like, I mean, I just got injured. It's been like four weeks now that somebody tore my IBT band with a reap, right? But, like, something inside, and it was during open mat. And I was just like, man, man, I shouldn't do it, you know? And then I just went and trained anyway. And that happened to me. And you sit there and you're like, man. Yeah. One more wave. Yeah. And it's rough, man. It's a rough injury because it's soft tissue. You know? Yes. So we have to, we have, instructors need to protect their students. And the rules are in the rule book for a reason. Yeah. And, you know, you start getting outside the rule book and getting into the mixed martial arts. And the no gi, it's like now we're just, we're playing in a different platform. Right. I mean, there's so many different techniques that come into play since a lot of us do rely on the gi grips and stuff for control. But, yeah, one of the nastiest things I've seen actually live was with Joel Assisa. Against Zandi. And he popped, he popped his knee and it was, we heard it pop. Yeah. I'm glad you say that. That's, I mean, not that it happened to Sanji or like anybody. But it, but I, you know, when you're in the audience or you're at a competition and these guys are competing on the weekend, like the weekend warriors and their knee pops and it sounds like a, like a crisp bat snapping. Exactly. It's that loud. Everyone goes, ooh. Yeah. Yeah. And at that moment, that's when people need to really realize like what we're doing and how important rules are. Yeah. And let's protect the fighters. Yeah. And he flinched and he sucked up that pain, but it was actually a match for, for a $10,000 purse for a grappling squad. Now, now I feel it's different. Yeah. Now I feel like he should be able to reap the knee or leg lock because they are fighting for money, the pros and they know the risk. So I can see where the black belts are saying, let us reap the knee. And, you know, but there's no money involved in the IBJJF and we can go back to that topic. Well, but it's an amateur sport ultimately. Right. So. They're not pros. The other thing you have is you got, obviously you have the adults black belts, but what about like the senior one or senior two guy who just does it for fun? Really? I mean, guys, you get that old, really are doing it for fun. Not necessarily fun, but because they love the sport. Right. Right. We want to compete and we want to keep doing this. And, you know, when you're, when you're doing an Ogie tournament, like we just said, and there's $10,000 involved, it's, that's a lot of money for a grappling event. Yeah. It's very different. It's very difficult to raise money and funds for events and stuff like that. But. Yeah. There is a lot of money being raised. And the IBJJF with all the ticket prices and the fees that are involved. And I feel like some of that money should be distributed towards the pros. And then we can get into the topic about steroid testing and all that other stuff. And. Let's get into it. No. So, okay. First of all, we'll ask about fees because I, I mean, I look at fees sometimes and go like, I mean, I wrestled through high school and college. And even when you did wrestling tournaments, you're like 30 bucks. 30 bucks. Four matches. Right. I mean. Double elimination. Running on time though. And you're talking about six, seven schools. And there are 13 guys on the team. Not even including JV and everybody else. But. I mean, you look at ticket price now. A hundred and something dollars. Right. Right. A hundred bucks. Early registration. I mean, I think that's a lot of money. And single elimination. Single elimination. And, you know, we're fighting for medals. Yeah. And a shirt. And a shirt. Yeah. But the shirts are sometimes bad. And we have enough shirts. We have a lot of shirts. Look at this one. Yeah. Oh, no. Wait. One year I got a beanie. You did? Oh, that's right. That's right. And a magazine. Yeah. And a magazine. There's a lot more that can happen. And there's a lot more organizations that need to be. You know, we look at models like the wrestling model for the prices are a lot less. You look at judo competitions and you sign up $50 for the year. And, you know, you can have access to insurance. And it's like. Yes. Okay. And then Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is just some different sport. Well, I think Grappling X actually. I mean, they're on the right path. As far as, you know, at least a lot of their tournaments now are, you know, double elimination. Yeah. It's like 40 bucks. And you can do two in your division and two in OJJ. And you can do two in your division and two in OJJ. That's four matches guaranteed for 40 bucks. I think they have the right idea. And they're really, they're trying to be in tune with what, you know, what the fighters want, you know, when they're competing. Right. So, you know, that's off to them. When I was younger and in Philadelphia, we did two tournaments. We called them the Soul Cup 1 and the Soul Cup 2. Okay. And the Soul Cup 1 was a basic no-gi tournament. And I just wanted people to have experience. So it was like that white belt, blue belt thing. And then from the experience I gained from that, I did the. Team tournament, Soul Cup 2. And it was an invitation tournament. And it was 3-3-3 or 5-5-3. Bring your best five white belts, five blue belts, and three purple belts from different academies. And I was in Hawaii recently, last year. And there was a guy from Philadelphia who was in Hawaii studying. He said, I was in your event. And I loved it. I fought. I had like six matches. And the way that you won the event determined how many points you got for your team. So it was really a team thing. Yeah. That's kind of cool. And you see those things in wrestling. But everyone got a t-shirt. I got really good sponsors. And it was like a local thing. And I put all the money back into the event. At the end of the day, I made some money. But it was more like I enjoyed it. And yeah, you can definitely distribute where the money is going. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. So do you think the game would be different if they had submission only? Do you like submission only jiu-jitsu as opposed to. Time limit versus no time limit. Submission only events. It's a tough one. Because when you have no time limit. Like the jiu-jitsu stylist. It's like who is the better jiu-jitsu. Right. Compared to who has the better game. And the better expression. So you put a time limit in there. It's conditioning, endurance, all these other attributes that are not really jiu-jitsu. Right. And I played both. Yeah. So it's okay. I mean, do you have a preference for one? Or do you think. Or maybe there's a fine line between both. Let's say. I've heard that some people do no time limit. Or no points for the first. You know. Four minutes or whatever. Right. And then points afterwards. Which would be kind of cool. Right. Because if. Let's say. Like Abu Dhabi. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like an eight minute. Let's just say it's a 10 minute round. And the first five minutes. No points. Nothing. Just straight submission. Because after that. If you're going for the kill. You're going to be tired. Right. So then the next five minutes. Is who's got the endurance. And who's got. Yeah. It's interesting to watch. And then you see like that. That time frame in the beginning. People go for it. They go for the submission. That's where you actually get to see like. If we can say like Margarita. Yeah. That guy. You know. In 2000. 2001. Was the guy that. It doesn't matter what time it was. He would just go for the submission. And his expression of Jiu Jitsu. Was like. I want to be like that guy. Yeah. Because he'll. He'll be up. Four zero. Mounted you. And he's still going to attack. Attack. Attack. He never stalled. He just went for it. Well it makes perfect sense. Especially with. With tournaments like Abu Dhabi. Since everyone is just. On that level. That. You know. They're. They're going to have to be. You know. Looking for a finish. If not. Is this going to be a technical game. Back and forth. And. You know. It just can keep going. And going. And. You know. Where's it going to. Where's it going to end. You know. But. Yeah. Definitely. I think it would make sense. At least for the black belt division. You know. Yeah. Then we get to that. And what do you think about. About testing. I mean. You think it should be tested. There's no money being made. So there's. It's not. There's no way that people will test. There's. But you can do individual testing. There's like. Like the tips. They. Like just by looking at them. Like. Hey. How do you get six packs on your ribs. Here's my point of view about this. When I first went to Brazil. Like as an American team. We had. I was like. 1999. And I'd never been to Brazil. And a lot of. Like the. Our American team. We just had the perception of just being bigger people. Like we looked bigger. Compared to the other divisions. Okay. Maybe that was nutrition. Or just the way we are in our culture. But. The athletes. Were smaller than us. At the blue belt level. And then. When they were purple belt. The guys were all jacked. And I was with a couple doctors. And like. These. The steroids was right there. Like. It was. I would walk into academies. And they were shooting it in the locker room. And I'm. I had these like virgin eyes. I'm like this young. You know. Guy like. What. What. What's going on here. Yeah. So it's definitely in our sport. And when we have like athletes that say. You know. I fight for technique. And these guys are doing steroids. There needs to be testing. It definitely stirs the debate. And if there's kids that can be. If you. If you're going to win a medal. And you're going to get all this. Prestige. Why not take a test afterwards. Right. Yeah. And if it's a hundred dollars for the test. Then it should be. You know. Let's legitimize it. Let's legitimize the sport. So there could be some more money. Made for the athletes. Yeah. At least the people that are black belts. Or the ones that are winning division. Right. The guys that are. They're looking to build a reputation. For their schools. And. And things like that. You know. Those are the guys really. I guess they would have more. More of a motive to. You know. Want to do something like that. I agree. But there's a lot of people. That can build their schools. With medals. And trophies. And trophies. But they can't build their schools. Marketing wise. Or from a business standpoint. Well. Yeah. I mean. It's. I mean. I know what you're saying. Because if you think about it. I always tell people like. If there was two schools by each other. And one guy's got first place. On every medal. World champion this. Or the guy down the block. Is like. Hey man. I got fourth place. At every Pan Ams man. Right. I mean. It's more of a. It's more of a prestige thing. Right. Yes. Right. It is. But you're absolutely right. Just. And I always tell people. Some people are great athletes. But they're not great coaches. And some people are great coaches. But they weren't great athletes. Right. And very. Very seldom. Do you find. A great athlete. Who's a great coach. True. Right. Because it takes. I think it takes a different mindset. Some people. Would just explain stuff really well. But when they get on the mat. I mean. You know. They just don't do well. But it doesn't mean. It's like. It doesn't mean. That they're any. Any better or worse. Right. Well. Just like how we were talking about. Not. Not to put too many names in the mix there. But. It. Too. I think it comes down to giving. Giving your. Your people what they want. Like. Where there's one gym. You know. Gym A is across the street. And they say they have Jiu Jitsu. But it's. Non. Non contact. And then. You know. Another school. School B opens across the street. And. Is just taking all that overflow. And they're just. They're laughing. And they're cleaning up. Because they're like. Ha ha. You know. They can't. They can't train the way they want to over there. Well. Guess what. I'm taking them all. I'm taking all these people. Very true. So. And actually. It looks like we're going to be. Taking another break. And we're going to be back. With some more Mad Time Radio. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. to track me down yeah they say they want to bring me in guilty for the killing of a deputy for the life of a deputy but I say oh now now oh I shot the sheriff the sheriff but I swear it wasn't something else no no yeah I said I shot the sheriff oh lord and they say there's a capital offense yeah yeah Sheriff John Brown always hated me for what I don't know every time I planted the seed yeah he said kill it before it grow he said kill them before they grow and so and so and so I shot the sheriff But I swear it wasn't self-defense Where was the deputy? I say I shot the sheriff But I swear it wasn't self-defense Yeah Freedom came my way one day And I started out of town, yeah All of a sudden I saw Sheriff John Brown He meant to shoot me down So I shot, I shot, I shot him down And I say If I am guilty I will pay Yeah Yeah I shot the sheriff But I didn't shoot no deputy I didn't shoot no deputy I shot the sheriff But I didn't shoot no deputy Oh Ooh, ooh, ooh Yeah Reflexes are the better of me And what is to be must be Yeah Every day the bucket I go I well One day the bottom of the dropout One day the bottom of the dropout I say I, I, I I shot the sheriff Lord, I didn't shoot a deputy No Yeah I, I shot the sheriff But I didn't shoot no deputy So, yeah All right, everybody, we're back. Yes, sir. And remember, the phone lines are still open, 1-800-893-9562. You have any questions for myself, Crail, or little Tony, we're here, we want to hear from you. But besides that, we're here for you. We're here for you. We're here for you. We're here for you. We're here for you. We're here for you. We're here for you. We're here for you. We're here for you. We're here for you. We're here for you. We're here for you. And besides that, we still got some interesting talk going on. Yeah, we were just having a good off-air topic discussion on gyms that let you spar and gyms that don't let you spar and trying to keep your new guys or the white belts that come in and keep them healthy so they appreciate the sport. Eloy, you got any take on that? I have a lot of take. When we start jiu-jitsu, it was sink or swim. You go in there, the first day you're sparring and there's a high injury rate for anyone because they don't know how to do anything. And I was talking to high school students and they're like, well, why are you doing that? And I'm like, well, why are you doing that? And they're like, well, why are you doing that? And I'm like, well, why are you doing that? And they're like, well, why are you doing that? And they're like, well, why are you doing that? And I'm like, well, why are you doing that? And they're like, well, why are you doing that? And I'm like, well, why are you doing that? And they're like, well, why are you doing that? And I'm like, well, why are you doing that? And they're like, well, why are you doing that? And I'm like, well, why are you doing that? And they're like, well, why are you doing that? And they're like, well, why are you doing that? And I'm like, well, why are you doing that? And they're like, well, why are you doing that? And they're like, well, why are you doing that? I'm like, yeah. And Rodrigo is like, yeah, I've been doing this for a long time, and I want to change the white belts. I want them to learn technique and then gradually start sparring. And I go, Rodrigo, I'm really happy that you're admitting this and you want to do this because this is the way it's got to be right now. And a lot of the gyms are doing that all over the United States now. Yeah. I mean, we got – Retention too. It's about retention of your students also. Yeah, of course, that retention of your students to play a part in – so they don't get hurt and they're learning something. But it really comes down to this. When people start martial arts, there's a lot of reasons to do it. A lot of people say, like, I want to fight or I want to get self-confidence. Let's just agree that people don't know why they're doing it. And they just – if they're there long enough, they'll eventually learn what it is or it'll change. And if you can't have someone in your school long enough to find that mark, then they're not going to become martial artists. They're not going to become like the jiu-jitsu guy that's doing it for their life. Like I'm in ride or die when it comes to jiu-jitsu. I've been in it for a long time. Well, that's kind of my story too where I started at a Muay Thai gym and I wanted to fight MMA. And I said, I need to take jiu-jitsu. It's just to have some type of ground game. I got in the door and my first night I got strangled by a girl that was – Sounds like my first night too. About 100 pounds. And after that, the only thing I wanted was to earn my Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt. And that's been my only goal since then. All right. It changed. That's it. And then people – we have this dream. We're becoming a black belt. And along the way, we have our little benchmarks of the belts and it's wonderful. My story was different. I know. No, but – You came in a stud already. No, no. Shut it, man. I always think it's funny because I tell everybody. The reason I got into jiu-jitsu is because when I graduated college, you wrestled. There was nothing else to do. You can be the wrestling coach or that's it, right? And so I said – I couldn't call my friend up and be like, hey, dude, let's roll on the mat, right? Let's throw our singlets on and roll. You're like, that sounds a little odd, man. So jiu-jitsu. Yeah. It was a good transition. Right. But like the whole sink or swim mentality, sink or swim, I got to – I mean it applied to me because I went in there, man. I got beat up my first day. You know, wrestler, you leave your neck out. I was getting guillotined. I was getting like – man, I was getting beat up. And I can understand if you're not in the right mindset. I came from a competitive mindset. I'm like, man, I got to find that one wrong and fix it. But if you're not and you get hurt, you're like, forget this sport. That's really not what you want people to think when they think about jiu-jitsu. Right. And then you also – you're going to have guys that, like you say, just do it for fun, do it for fitness, or maybe if you're going to be a competitor, there's three different people. Then you're going to have – Very true. And a lot of the – not everyone in your gym, the 2% are going to be MMA fighters. Right. The 5% are going to be like doing jiu-jitsu tournaments. If you can fill the room up with a whole bunch of people and create a community where we're all doing jiu-jitsu and loving it, it's going to attract more people to your gym. Yeah. And we were saying before the break, it was about like winning medals to market your school or being a good coach. It's like, yeah, you can get medals and you can be a good teacher, but if you don't have what it takes to market your school and have the systems in place to run it, it's not going to survive. Well, it's great to have the high-level guys in your gym, the higher belts and stuff, but a lot of us sometimes forget we learn a lot from the white belts too. We learn a lot in training with them, and I see things all the time and stuff. People come from different backgrounds and different styles, and I'm always ready to roll with them. I'm ready to roll with them as well. Even myself trying to come up in the ranks and stuff, we learn a lot. It's always good to have them around. It is. It is good to have people with human beings around, but it really comes down to human beings and you're meeting new people, regardless of whether they're showing you on the mat or helping you. They're like, hey, I can teach you how to wrap your knee because you have a knee injury. I was listening to your story. It's the people that you meet in jiu-jitsu that's amazing. Absolutely. It's like any given day, regardless of your belt color, you can get tapped by anybody. But I always tell the thing I like the most is regardless, obviously you're a black belt, and I'm not, but there's always something to learn. Even if you think you know something, there's always something to learn in this sport. It's never ending. I know some of the martial arts, they've got predefined katas, and that's what you do. But this sport, there's always something. Even when you think you know something, somebody will come up with something totally new, and you're like, wow, I should have done this. We went to a seminar. We forget stuff. Yeah, you go to a seminar, and you get reminded of simple things. Simple stuff, right? Yeah. So there's always something to learn. Yeah, or just like even one of our coaches was saying too, just like the cross choke, the X choke, that's the one that we start working, most of us start working on our first day, and that's the one that takes us the longest to get right. We work it the most, and there's so many positions. Sometimes we forget. We work a certain game, and we get injured. We have to start working a different game. And there's always something. Shout out to Awano on wrist locks. How about a shout out to Marcelo on that Kimura yesterday? That was wicked, man. My shoulder still hurts. Right. He was the same thing. We did a seminar yesterday with an OG Carlson Gracie team, and he just did this Kimura, and he was kind of vented about it real quick. He was saying that the Kimura is not a big man's move. I heard this the other day. He was referencing the UFC and Joe Rogan, how he's a man. He was referencing Joe Rogan, how he's a mouthpiece, and what he says a lot of people take for a gospel. Yeah. He was showing these little techniques just to make an improvement. It's like, dude, I've been doing this for a long time. That was awesome. Yeah. Very cool. Small stuff, too. Little details. Yeah, little details. Right. So, Tony, let's get to what you have going on currently. I know you have a lot of things in the works. Yes. Why don't you share that with our listeners? Definitely. I've been operating the website since 2004, soulfight.net. I've been doing a lot of stuff. I've been doing a lot of stuff for Soul Fight.net. Soul Fight has always been that surf culture, jiu-jitsu, the expression of that whole thing. I recently took on a partner, and we're going to do some things in 2012. I was talking to Owano. I'm like, yeah, I'm really going to go for it. Now, it's just been marketing DVDs and events for jiu-jitsu. Right. You also do ... Well, I know you have private ... I guess it's called private marketing for jiu-jitsu academies. Because I think if you go to your soulfight.net, it's got some stuff. Yeah. It's got something that comes back on there. Right. Recently, during my whole undergrad and graduate school work, I've been doing martial arts and owning my own academy in Philadelphia and just doing seminars and learning so much about how to make a successful martial artist run a business and how unique martial arts is to any other business. I started Faisal Prada Marketing recently and developed a course on how martial arts school owners can better market their school, develop better skills. Better leads for their school, improve their sales systems when the students are there, and then help with retention rates. It's been very successful to the point where I had to put the brakes on capping the private membership because my new clients there are martial arts organizations. I'm very busy with it. That's good. That's good. It's a good thing. Yeah. Well, even myself personally, we're sitting down with my coach and we were talking about all the reasons people ... We lose people financially. Yeah. We lose people in the sport and the academy and stuff. He was going over it and I can remember in all this time I've been training, almost hitting every one of those little barriers and stuff and I was laughing about it. Yeah, there's so many reasons why people leave the sport and definitely retention is one of those things. It's very fulfilling for me to see old training partners come back and stuff. Right. People ... We were always added on the mats. Two, three times a week. Two, three times a week and then they take a year off and they come back and ... Again, I guess I'm starting to see those people come around. It's good. Crail right here is one of them. He was there in the beginning and then ... How long were you off? I don't know. A little bit. A little bit, but back ... It's all right. Put that on there. I'm almost dying. Put it on there. That's cool, man. Hey, but you came back with a vengeance too. Came back with a six pack. You're like, what? I don't know. What does this guy do? What has this guy been doing? He's like, I'm going to be on. But it's good to see people come back and stuff. Yeah, we were talking about the relationships and the friends that we make on the mat. Yeah. And I can't think of another place where a lot of people that would not see each other in the outside world are equals in one little space. That's it. And then with the whole ... The beginning of the conversation, we talked about technology. With the DVDs that I have marketed through Soul Fight and through Buddha videos and the different distributors. The Fleischer Predem series and the B-Series. The BJJ seminar series. There are specific topics on specific content in Jiu-Jitsu. I modeled it after the old Judo books in the 70s where they take one throw and just have a whole thick book on the one throw, all the different setups. And it's helped the 50-50 guard, the Sampalo approach to passing the guard. It's like, this is some high level content about what's happening now in the sport based on that and also my old, my teaching experience as an educator, being able to structure the stuff. And it's got out to the whole world. So, I get contacted through Facebook and through the emails. I'm like, oh, I'm going to be a part of this. And I have students all over the place and they keep coming back. It's great. You got a good DVD on drills too? Yeah. I figured drills are so important, but let's put up a DVD. And that one competitor had 40 drills. I go, man, I can put like 180 on one DVD. Put some cool music and help out a lot of people that way. People that have been injured getting back to it. Yeah. A lot of school owners. I'm like, there's no reason why your classes are boring now. Yeah. The weird thing is obviously we all do Jiu-Jitsu here, but I mean, still a small community. For sure. You know what I mean? I mean, I know everyone makes this big deal about Fox on UFC, which is a big deal for a lot of people. But even people that were texting me when that fight was going on, they were like, this is crazy. I can't believe he got knocked out so fast. But it's still a small community, right? Yes. Yeah. But too, even Dana White was saying he's glad that he put that fight on for the Fox show instead of the last one, the Shogun Dan Henderson. Because he doesn't... Dana White didn't believe that the Fox fans were real. Yeah. Yeah. He didn't believe that the Fox fans were ready for that type of event. Well, I don't think he knew what kind of fight that was going to be yesterday, but that was, I mean, that fight was wicked, man. That was. Yeah. I really wish I could, I would have observed it because it was one of the best ones and none of the ones at the time. But the whole thing on Fox, I wish it could have gone longer. Yeah. But you know, it's just a little taste. So it's how you spin it and that's how it's being spun right now. You know, but it is what it is, man. It's like in this sport, there's always... On paper you can look fantastic, but you know, you get hit in the back of the ear, man, down you go. Yes. So I think... But there's a lot of people that are in the communities that, you know, can be exposed to jujitsu or martial arts. And there are a lot of people and there's a lot of reasons to gravitate towards martial arts because of everything it does for you. And I think it really comes down to creating an environment in your community and exposing people to that and then knowing how to keep them there. It's definitely a growing sport. I mean, like I said, we're a small community and we're involved in it. So when we all get together for our promotions or whatever, and we see all these people that do the same stuff we do. But I mean... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I remember like back in the, like, 90s or whatever, like kung fu or karate was a thing, right? You sit there and watch a kung fu flick and you get out there and beat somebody up and things are... Times have changed, so... Yeah. We'll even talk about promotions. Shout out to Owano for getting in his promotion too. Yeah. Congratulations to John Owano, third degree on his belt black. His belt black sounds good. Some of us forget that, you know, you get to... You know, the black belt is like, you know, the end, you know, but there's still so much to learn and stuff and it just shows that, you know, how great you are. how great this sport is and stuff, you know, that's an accomplishment. I mean, there was, what, four black belts handed out yesterday. Four black belts. Four or five black belts earned yesterday. Yeah, earned, yeah. Yeah, hey, thanks for correcting me. We're earned. Every black belt, every Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt is earned. No, but I'm just saying it's just amazing you get there. I mean, you were there. Little Tony was there. Joel Tudor. Awano. John Awano. Chris Wolford got a second-degree strike if he wasn't there. Clark Gracie. Clark Gracie. Hey, Eduardo. Eduardo. Yeah. Go ahead, name them off. Name them off. I remember the names, but it's, you know, the last ceremony was a who's who of what was going on Jiu-Jitsu. Salah Herberio was there. Hoyler. Yeah. Fabio Santos. And it's like, I'm in this room. And even yesterday with Marcelo, it's like, I'm explaining to him. I go, when I started Jiu-Jitsu when I was a teenager, I said, you were in the magazine with the long hair. You were like my role model. And then I would go on to become the boy with the long hair. And John Awano makes the, why'd you cut your hair? And I was like, hey, man, times are changing. But I wanted to meet all these guys on the cross. And Gracie team, because I come from the Elio Gracie lineage. Hoyce Gracie was a different Jiu-Jitsu man. Yeah. And the Carson guys were just tough. Like Amre Batech was like my idol when I was a teenager. And I don't even know if people know these people anymore. Yeah. Because everything's so different. Yeah. Definitely a lot of knowledge. That seminar was fantastic. They had old school style Carson Gracie stuff that just. Yeah. I mean, it was funny to look at Awano and he's on the side and I go, I know, like I remember Sperry teaching some of these tricks with the lapel. Uh-huh. And. And I just, I enjoy so much the history in Jiu-Jitsu and how it all came about and the techniques. He said, right. You know, he said, right. It all loops back around. It does. And I explained to one of the white belts the other day, I go, you know, when I, I'm always going to have like these little roadblocks in my training to get over. And, you know, you got to learn techniques and you got to go back to the beginning and learn the basics and the new positions and the timing and the feel and you got to resist. But I go, the Jiu-Jitsu that I'm doing today, I enjoy it. Like my expression of it. Like I'm doing the old stuff, but I know the new stuff. And I know how the competition is. And I know the no time limit. And I'm just, it's me. Like if I'm surfing, I can do the cutback and just have a good expression session. Yeah. Like I don't have to go out and compete. But when I do my Jiu-Jitsu, it's, you can feel it. It's a good thing. And you're starting your own lineage, man. You did a promotion yesterday to one of your students. I want him to feel that. I want him to be experienced. Because he can get promoted. He earned it. He's been with me for almost two years. Yeah. And he can be promoted at the academy in Redondo. But I wanted him to be a part of the BGA revolution team. Yeah. You know, so. I think you gave some. Somebody else earned a purple belt under you a while back too, right? Yeah. My friend, Matt, who has all the DVDs and everything like that. Knows all the new tricks. And, you know, he was with me for, you know, six years. And I got, you know, purple belt. And he's just in, you know, not everyone's going to be like that. Not everyone can be. But I really do. When people earn something like that, they put the time in. They never question. Like Marcelo said yesterday. Yeah. We have two eyes. We have two ears. We have one mouth. Shut your mouth. Bow to your master. And don't question your belt. Yeah. It makes sense. Yeah. Be a student. You don't have to be like running your mouth. Oh, man. Good stuff. I better learn something. Huh. I thought I had two mouths and one eye. So, Tony, where can everybody find you? How can we get a hold of you? Please, you know, visit soulfight.net. That's been the website that I've been operating for all these years. For the martial artists, instructors. If you're teaching martial arts. You got to visit Faisal Prada Marketing. Like Black Belt Marketing. And if you want to train Jiu-Jitsu, you know, BJJ Revolution team all over the world. But in Redondo at Elite Training Center. Okay. Yeah. You got a Twitter or Facebook you want to throw out there to people or just not yet? Hey, man. You look up in Jiu-Jitsu, you type in Little Tony. My name's going to come up for Jiu-Jitsu. All right. Got some great DVDs, man. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely great DVDs. I got some new things coming out. The Mexico seminars coming up. And DVDs. Hmm. DVDs. I always say it's like my last one, but there's always a new project. Yeah. And it works. And then before we go, but why don't you give a quick shout out to all your sponsors? I know you got a couple of those guys. Yeah. Yeah. Anybody that helps me, like I always, like I said, tournament, I want that money to go back into the sport. Guys that helping me out are like Kawaii Kimonos. The boys there have a really nice kimono. If you're interested in Jiu-Jitsu with the gi. Grapple Grip. If you're interested in your grip strength and improving yourself, you know, Mike Safai, he has a great product called Grapple Grip. Grapple Grip. And, you know, Elite Training Centers really helped me. BGA Revolution team. And, man, keep moving the spot. You know, that's it. That's all right. Right on. Well, yeah, man, we appreciate you coming down here, taking time out of your schedule. Yeah. Hopefully, you know, you can stop in again when you got, you know, the next project or keep us updated on how it goes down there in Mexico. We were, you know, we're excited, you know. Yeah. I mean, New Mexico, I'm advising those guys to organize, like start a federation in your state. And, you know, it's your responsibility. It's your responsibility to have tournaments down there and, you know, pass it on to someone else that wants to do this. Yeah. So, I'm all for that. Well, you know, just in talking to people, they're, you know, they're hungry for knowledge down there. And they're really, you know, welcoming to our sport. And, you know, there's still, there's a lot to be, you know, learned down there. And hopefully, we'll, you know, we'll hear from you next time and see what you got going on too. Yeah. If you got, you know, got a guy fighting a couple weeks before he fights, want to get on here, get some promotion in our time. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. If you guys invite me back, I'm always down for that. Yeah. I mean, you can always get a hold of us, but if you guys got someone fighting before, I know those guys got to sell tickets too on the way up. Yeah. This is a nice platform. You guys are doing some good things here. We're trying to help. 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