Latino mental health with Dr. Nadia Jones

Thank you. Hello, this is Julianne Good and this is Psych One-on-One. Welcome. We are here to make psychology more understandable with tips for you, your family, and your friends to make your lives easier. And I want to thank my special friend and composer, musician, Nico Schmier, for writing the new intro and outro music. And that was called Downtown Music. And you get to hear a little bit more of his music a little later. On the podcast. So thank you, Nico. I really appreciate your help. So tonight, my special guest is Dr. Nadia Jones. We are going to be talking about Latino and Latina mental health. And just a little bit about Dr. Jones. She is a core faculty professor in the MFT program at the Chicago School of Professional Psychology in Los Angeles. Dr. Jones is also a bilingual therapist working at Counseling for Kids in Los Angeles. Dr. Jones has extensive experience. She has experience in counseling children, adolescents, and families in mental health. She also is, her research focuses on the positive parenting program, and she's also highly interested in child and adolescent disorders, family therapy, and cultural issues. Welcome, Dr. Jones. How are you doing? I'm doing very well. Thank you so much for having me here today. Well, thank you. I know you're a very busy woman. You have a little one and another little one on the way. And you are... I know. Yeah, indeed. Another one on the way. Five months pregnant already. That's incredible. Good for you. Thank you. I know, right? What did I get myself into? Hey, we do have to ask ourselves, how did this happen? But it's all good in the end, right? It's beautiful. It's wonderful. We'll be changing for the world. Exactly. Yeah, little ones are great. So how did you get into doing the research? Research and counseling with Latino and Latinas? Well, I am Latina myself. And I went... I mean, I was born in Argentina and then I moved to Peru. And I moved over there when I was eight years old. And I studied psychology there. I become a licensed psychology there. I started working very closely with the poor communities over there. And then when I had a chance to come to the States, I went straight and did my master's and then continued into... Yeah. my doctoral program. So I was highly motivated and very, very focused on always working with Latino mental health, especially with the unserved population. Like the poorer, the better for me. So it's always been everything research oriented or counseling oriented that I do is focused on, it has a focus on Latino mental health. It comes from way back then. Yeah. It sounds like you've been doing that for several years now, correct? Correct. Yeah. It's been 12 years in the States and four years in Peru. Wow. 16 years. Yeah. That's incredible. Good for you. Thank you. I like it. Yeah. It has its, I would imagine, challenges because of working with a population that generally is not prone to going and getting counseling. Right. Yeah. So what do you find is the most challenging with working with a Latino, Latina population? Well, you know, it's interesting. That's a very good observation you made. I think there are a couple of things that, I mean, we cannot put everyone on the same bucket, right? So I don't want to offend anyone that is Latino that is listening to us, of course, but we're going to talk about like general statistics or general populations, but you can also, uh, provide Latinos like in any other group through their social economical status. Um, so I think it depends because when you're talking about providing counseling or providing therapy services for Latinos that are, let's say more affluent or more acculturated to the country, uh, the ones that have like really nice jobs and they're making good money and you know, can pay for private practitioners, uh, to provide them with services, it's pretty different. Um, so the population that I concentrated the most is especially on family counseling, and, and, and, uh, child and adolescent counseling, but working with, um, the population of Latinos that have a very low SES. Um, the, the both, both cultural, uh, components of both cultural populations regarding Latinos, what they do share is their values and most of their beliefs. So you, you, you hit on the spot. They're usually, they don't come to therapy for services. So I started getting involved very with, um, the more difficult populations that were, that were sent to counseling. counseling basically for, or mandated by that court system. And then, you know, like it progress. So right now I work with an agency that focuses mostly on community mental health. So everything is geared towards the community, but we try to help families stay together basically. So they can have an open case with the Department of Child Protective Services, or they might be already have lost their children. They're trying to get them back. Sometimes I do get, um, some more affluential families, which are the ones that have either adopted the ones that have either adopted or are in the process of adopting or fostering children that are involved within the system. So I can also work with both populations as well. That sounds like you work with a wide array of clients. Yes. Yeah, which I would imagine would be pretty exciting because you don't get bored with working with the same population. You have your different nuances within each population, correct? Correct, absolutely. And it is a lot of fun in general and absolutely never boring, always interesting because I specialize on family work. So to me, like the more people in a family, the better. So every person is his own little world as well. So you have to take them as individual and then you put them together as a family to see how they work. And I get all the array of services. Right now I have kids from eight months old. I have kids from 16 years old, you know, including the parents. Mostly the moms are the ones that come, some fathers as well. But it's very interesting. So you have to be able to manage different kinds of sets of skills to be able to work with all of them at once. Yes, I would imagine that would be pretty challenging at times. Yes, especially when they start fighting. Oh, yeah, I would imagine. Yeah, I know. I've sat with some families and stuff too. Yeah. And just trying to... Just watch the dynamics between the different family members and trying to get a good grasp of what goes on at home so that you can see, you know, almost raw emotions sometimes coming out. And then you can really help them because you see what truth they are living in front of your eyes. Absolutely. Yeah. And you have to, you know, treat them all with the same respect and courtesy, give them all the same time to talk. And try to understand everyone's points of view. So, yeah, it is pretty challenging. So because some of your family's coming in as court mandated, do you feel that it's... You have to work extra hard at the beginning to get them to trust you and start opening up and not have like a negative attitude that they're here because the court has sent them here? Yes, absolutely. Yes, absolutely. Or that I am part of the court system or that I am the social worker. So we have to clarify our roles. And I do have to work really hard on helping them understand that I am on their side. You know, like I also work as an advocate for them. So I try to help them to get all the services they need. Like I use... I am the medium between the social worker, the courts, and the families. But it's really, you know, like at the beginning, it's very hard for them to absolutely trust us. You know, so we have to explain confidentiality very well. You know, like... You know, like... You know, like... You know, like... You know, like... You know, like... You know, like... You know, like... They... They give us, you know, like almost a month to assess. So that... That helps us get a good sense of the family and for the family to get to know us as well a little bit for like a whole month before we even start treatment. Oh, that's wonderful. Yeah. Yeah, that's unusual. Because... And how... How many sessions in general do you get to have with the families? Well, this is... This is the other beautiful thing. I think... I cannot afford that kind of therapy. that I provide for my kids. Isn't that ironic? I know, right? That's why we tell the family, take advantage of it because you're getting the best of everybody's world. We work in multidisciplinary teams. You know, we have psychologists on staff. We have our case managers on staff. We have psychiatrists on staff. So they get a little bit of everything, not just us. And believe it or not, it depends on each family. Like I'm not within, we're still managed care, but it works differently because as long as we can justify functional impairment or as long as the symptoms are still present and the family still needs our help to get better, we can stay. Usually most of the programs that we work with now that are more geared towards what we call prevention and early intervention, they use a timeframe between four months and six months. However, we can keep them up to a year if there is still functional impairment or if you have the training to go between different programs or if there is a big need or big crisis. But that is great. You know, it's not that we have to like kick a family out in 12 families or 16 sessions. I'm sorry, between 12 and 16 sessions. That is usually how insurance pays. It is. We have the luxury of seeing them for like six months to a year. Wow. It can really make an impact within that timeframe then. And that's why I stay with this population. Yeah. To actually help them change their lives and get them home. Hopefully on the path of stability and change. Yeah. And you know, like the thing that I always use is like, okay, I understand that the court is mandated to come to us, you know, because they're upset. They must identify who are in love with the family because these families really lose themselves in the process. Because they imagine like having in your home, you know, like you don't have your freedom as much anymore because you have a social worker that comes once a month to check on you and to report everything that you might be doing. And that is not appropriate. You have a therapist that comes one to two times a week. You have the judge deciding the future of your children and your family. So they're pretty scared. You know, they don't know what to say. They don't know what not to say. They don't know what to do or what not to do anymore. And many families share that commonality where they tell me, you know, like I don't, I am judged all the time. I'm scrutinized all the time. So it's hard for them at the beginning to trust us. So we go in and we can really make, you know, we can make a decision. We can make a decision. We can make a decision. We can make a decision. We can make a decision. We can make a decision. We can make a decision. I help them by saying, okay, if they understand that you have all these people coming into your life, how do we get rid of them? And they, what do you need to do? What does the judge want you to do for you to be able to go back and get your whole freedom, for you to be able to go back and make your own decisions? And that's when they see, okay, so she's not on that side. So she's in my side. And I'm like, yes, let's create your goal. You know, let's see how can we help you? Let's see what do you need? And really explaining to them what mental health is or like how can we help you? And that's when they see, okay, let's create your goal. Let's see how can we help you? Let's see what do you need? And then we are not their friends because that's the other thing. Latinos are awesome in the sense that, you know, I have parents that are always asking me, especially if I'm pregnant, if I ate well, like if I need something. They want to take care of you, make you part of their family. Correct. Yes. It's beautiful. I go to their home. So I do home visits. So they, you know, for the little kids, they see you as part of their family. Especially if I'm staying at home, I sometimes stay in the house for up to three hours at a time. So it's like, you know, they see me for three hours every single week for six months. Wow. So it's a different kind of relationship, you know, and you still have to explain to them how come is that we're not friends, how come is that we cannot go outside and, you know, have a cup of coffee. But I love it because, you know, being Latina myself, like, it becomes pretty easy to understand where the line is of, like, what are your ethics and professional boundaries and, like, how you can still be providing those values of familism and respeto and everything to them. You know, where, like, the families that you know, like, they tell you, you want a cup of coffee? Sure, you know. But, like, now that I'm pregnant, you want tea? Like, awesome. And it shows, you know, when they care as well. You care as much. They care for you. So it's a beautiful experience. I love it. That's great. Yeah, and you can become close in a sense, but you're right. You have to know where to put a healthy boundary between you and your clients. And, you know, I was working in a domestic violence shelter for about three years, and I became close with some of the families, too. But we, unfortunately, only got to work. We worked with them for a month. And then they were going to either, you know, families, houses, or transitional shelters, something like that. So we had to do quick work with them, which, that's very tricky, as you know. I'm sure you've had a lot of situations where you've had to do that. So it's nice that you get that almost luxury time with your clients. Correct. And I don't know if I'm going to put up a practice after all this. So, Dr. Jones, what kind of issues do the families come in with, especially with their court mandated? What's some of the general issues? Well, it's more like most of the times it's the families. I mean, the families that I usually deal with are the families that have had some of their parental rights removed or that they are at risk of getting their parental rights removed. So they have either engaged in some kind of abuse towards their children, or most of the cases that we have are neglect, like severe neglect, or where the kids have to witness domestic violence, or they have one or both parents engaging into dangerous behaviors or risky behaviors like substance abuse. Right. You know, one of those kinds of things, or they're not properly functioning, they're not able to take care of their kids. So that is like a pre-income. Right. Right. And on the other side of the Latino population, one of the things that we do see the most are, you know, like anxiety, depression, a lot of that. Parenting issues. I specialize in parenting. So I see a lot of parenting issues and behavioral issues with the kids. So that's a big one. And that's a common with almost every single ethnicity. But it's pretty hard for a Latino community because they're used to going with these questions to their family members. Mm-hmm. You know, like they usually, they don't want a therapist coming over. They tell them how they're parenting their child. They usually grab, you know, like their moms or their grandmas or their priests or their pastors, you know, or their chamanes, or depending on what ideas they have or what spiritualism they follow. That's what they usually do. Like, I have a lot of families that come with anxiety-like symptoms, but they don't like to talk about it in those terms. Mm-hmm. So I don't. So you really have to be very multiculturally oriented and competent towards understanding those things. Because if you have to... If you have to explain it to them what depression and anxiety is, like, they don't like it necessarily. Right. So when you go with other terminologies, they say, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what's going on with me. And they tell you who are the first people that they went to see because of that. Which is, that is usually, like, how do I integrate their cultural background or their personal beliefs into mental health? Mm-hmm. Which is a tricky one. Right. So... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. parenting. Absolutely. Okay, thank you. We'll be right back. No problem. The Chicago School of Professional Psychology offers numerous psychology, behavioral, and health-related science graduate degrees at three campuses, Los Angeles, California, including branches in Westwood and Irvine, Chicago, Illinois, and Washington, D.C., and online. The Chicago School prepares students to meet the ever-changing mental health needs of society through classroom experience and real-world training. The Chicago School Counseling Centers in Irvine and Westwood provide caring, confidential, and affordable psychological services to individuals and their families. For more information, visit thechicagoschool.edu. And thank you to the Chicago School of Professional Psychology. for sponsoring Psych One-on-One. This is Julianne Good, and I am with Dr. Nadia Jones. We are talking about Latino and Latina mental health this evening. And Dr. Jones, we're going to talk about the multi-generational impact of parenting in families. Yes. That's a really good topic. You know, if you think about everything, that immigrants go through in general, and you talk about multi-generational and how they got to where they are. Most of us, you know, they have come here one way or another. So Latinos have their own, you know, like, sad history on how did they get here. Not everyone is super lucky enough to either be born here, but they have been brought here, or they were born here, but their parents suffered. And so, you know, I think that's a really good topic. And I think that that's really important for all the immigrants that came through that moment that came through through that moment that came through that moment that came through that moment that came through that moment that came through that moment that came through that moment that came through that moment that came through that moment that came through that moment that came through that moment that came through that moment that came through that moment that came through that moment that came through that moment that came through that moment that came through that moment that came through that moment that came through that moment that came through that moment that came through that moment that came through that moment that came through that moment that came through that moment that came through that moment that came through that moment that came through that moment that came through that moment that came through that moment that came through And harder on that, you can see all the kids that are in refugee camps right now, basically, here down in San Diego, you know, or right here in Oxnard. All the kids that are in those concentration places because they keep crossing the borders by themselves, little kids, which is, you know, it's pretty hard. And they're just trying to find their parents, you know, that came here one way or another. So they just follow some kids that run away from their parents and just come here. And then you have the whole family, you know, that came here or the Latinos that came originally. But if you really focus on tracking their history and through their multicultural generational patterns, you have to start asking, like, how is it your family got here? So I love that question. And I always put it into my assessment. How is it they got here? Not because I want to check if they're legal or illegal at all. But it's because I do want to assess for how much have they suffered coming here. You know, like, how hard has it been for them to adjust to the country? Did they came with coyotes? Did they came? Did they cross the border nicely? Did they actually have to walk for three to five days? I have families that came from, like, way down in South America and they go, like, country to country to country until they get to Mexico. And then they're finally able to cross. You know, so those are like weeks and months of trying to get here. And then when they get here, they sometimes don't know. They don't know anybody. They don't really don't have any contacts. But they have had some family members. Then, you know, they have to figure out how are they going to live all together. So you have to start there. And then you have the families that already have been adjusted here or acculturated to the country and that are able to bring their kids in different situations. So whichever family you're working with is always going to have their own story. So you have to start from there. Like asking those hard questions, giving their whole history, you know, based on that. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And then you can start figuring out, okay, now we can get to how do your parents raise you? Yeah. Yeah. You know, and like how was it? Multi-layered and complicated. Correct. Correct. And it's great that you have that one-month time period to get to know them and start getting that history as they start feeling comfortable with you. Yeah. And like you said, when they start realizing that you're not going to be turning them in, you're not going to be getting them into trouble. You just want them to be healthier and you want their family to be back intact again because it's, I mean, after going through all that country jumping almost, I mean, from running from country to country, trying to flee and trying to go towards a better life and then they get here and then, you know, something happens. It's a, it's a completely different legal system. Absolutely. They're used to like, you know, like in most of the, like in the Latino countries that I visit and the ones that I am from or the ones that I hear stories like, hitting is common, you know, like not beating up your child completely, but hitting with a belt is common. You know, there's a certain kind of very harsh punishment that they engage in that is very common to their culture, to their surroundings, you know, very different yelling, cursing, different. You know, other, other families, they are very patriarchal, you know, like they, they usually like, it's like the mom will say like, wait until your dad comes here. And, you know, once the dad comes, like disciplines all the children or other families that are absolutely patriarchal. So it's very interesting, you know, like who, who has the big voice in the family. Some families, which I found fascinating, it's the families that a whole bunch of different generations live together. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And working with a more patriarchal system also than we're used to in the general culture in the United States. And that's, you know, different levels of power. And then I've seen this happen, too, where somehow the family is split up. Mom is with the children. Dad is in another country, maybe back in Mexico. And so mom is used to having the role of mother and father and then maybe having to take care of her parents also on top of it. And then somehow the husband slash father comes back into the picture and there's this whole disarray of the power system and their marriage. Do you work with those systems? As well, indeed. Yes. Yeah. And it's a whole different way of treating them, you know. And then what happens once he inserts himself or herself into the family? You know, he wants to pull different kinds of roles. And the children get, you know, a whole bunch of adjustment disorders because of that. A whole bunch of anxiety generates in the family. A whole bunch of behavioral issues start coming afloat in the family. And it's very hard sometimes to explain these things to them. Because for them, it's usually a given. You know, like American culture or European-centered cultures, they are more used to talking about mental health. They're more used to talk about the psychological impact of things. You know, Latinos, many of them are not. For them, this is not the way you talk to them. So that's another thing. They want you to tell them what to do instead of come up with their own questions. But then sometimes even when you provide suggestions. Or like explain what has worked for all the different families. It doesn't match their cultural beliefs. So that makes things even more complicated. So you have to figure out ways of explaining them things in a way that they're going to want to hear them. You know, especially in that way. Because, you know, like with those parents that the father is large-fashioned that comes around. He wants things to get done his way. So, you know, and it's interesting like most of the families that work in that way. The mom is a little bit more submissive. So the problem is if the person stayed here and started obtaining services and got a little bit more assertive. And then they're facing each other. You know, they need help to readjust again to being a couple. To be in a whole different system. So, yeah, it's fascinating. Yeah. It does sound fascinating. And like I said before, just really complicated. Because you're working with two completely different. One is a mother. And the other is a father. Two different worlds almost. You know, I mean. And then when they go out to society here. You know, they're seeing families and couples interacting differently. And there has to be this dichotomy going on with them. A lot of time I would imagine. So how do you work with that? How do you get them to be comfortable with making. The adjustment and honoring their culture from their country they came in with. But yet maybe assimilating a little bit more to the United States. So that they have a little bit of an easier transition. And they can, you know, just learn to be, you know, part of the neighborhood that they live in. Part of the city. Start, you know, becoming an American. Yeah. It's a good thing. It's a good question. And it's something that, thank God, we can have the luxury of working for months. Yes. Which if I were in private practice, I would have to do like in two or three weeks. Or like they will have to start paying me on the side. Which that part is horrible to me. But I personally, we in all these ages, beautiful system of community mental health and agency contractors through DMH. We have the luxury, if you're competent, of working with them in a whole different way. So I always tell my interns and the students at Waterway Code Practical that one of the things that they really need to learn to do and focus and master are their assessment skills. So to me, it's all about assessment, providing psychoeducation, and engaging the family. You know, really helping them understand that you're interested in getting to know them. To understand where they're coming from. So I spend months just exploring that. Like just exploring all those things that you just mentioned. Like exploring how was it before for the mom. You know, like helping the dad, the dad that just arrived. Like if we take that hypothetical example. Helping him understand what did the mom have to go through all the time that he was not here. You know, or every time that he got deported. All the systems that got in between. Helping him really to provide psychoeducation and helping him understand her point of view. And of course with the respect that he deserves because you always have to put him first. That's the thing. So it's very tricky. How you talk to them in that way. And then to him, you know, like absolutely validating the fact of how hard it was for him to leave his family. You know, like going over there and taking charge from there. Like, you know, like try to figure things out until you figure out how to come back into the country. You know, and then you provide a lot of psychoeducation into how this American system works. You know, what do they want from people? What do they request people to do? What are their responsibilities within the country to be able? To stay in the country without getting into trouble? So you kind of like make it seem that it's not on you. You know, it's really on them and trying to understand how things work so they can learn to navigate them. And then I have this wonderful training that the county provided me on Triple P, which is a positive parenting program that I am absolutely in love with and I'm extremely biased. Because I think it's one of the best parenting programs out there because of how you engage with the parents. It allows you to really... see their history on how... what kind of parenting techniques and communication they have used within each other. How do they deal with anger management? How do they deal with their own coping skills? And then you're able to provide them with new ones. You know, that work here. But that you can tailor to their families. So, you know, you always tell them, you know, that things don't work with everybody. You know, so we have to figure out what is gonna work with them. And if they have two or three kids, one thing that works with one kid is not gonna work with the other kid. It's gonna work with the other kids. Like how he communicates with mom. Mom might have had to communicate in a completely different way with him. And again, all of this taken into consideration the hierarchy that they use. And their values, you know. And when you can talk and when you cannot talk. You know, so it's really cool to do that kind of work. But honestly, because we have the luxury of time with them. Which is wonderful. Yeah, and you can get a complete history. And... And start almost walking in that family shoes. And seeing exactly what they need. And exactly where they are. And that is really the best therapy to be able to do. Is just to be able to walk in their shoes for a little bit. Let's see exactly what's gonna work. Because as you said, what will work for even just one child within the same family. Won't work with another child. You have to be able to switch gears. And you have to be able to teach them. How can you be a little more flexible? And yet still honor where you came from. Yes, yes. Which is super important. And you know what sometimes happens to me? And I am... I work really hard and continue to get extra training. And continuing to read and continue to try to understand these families. And I have had really great supervisors in this country. And mentors. You know, that have helped me. Then have guided me. But I also have my own experience of growing up over there. So you can see. I can see things in three ways. You know, like I can see things for how things used to be in each of my countries. I can relate to the process of immigration. And then I can relate to the process of adjusting here. And have to figure out a different way of being basically. Or functioning here. Yeah. And sometimes not... I mean, many times, actually, unfortunately. Not everybody works with the Latinos in the same way. You cannot treat Latinos like you treat other ethnicities. Every ethnicity has their own ways of working. You know, like you cannot treat Latinos in general with providing just general therapeutic services based only on Western therapy. Which is how we are taught in school. Yes. You know, you have to find ways to become more multiculturally competent so that you can actually treat them. That you can understand the cultural beliefs that they might have. You know, like I honestly have had to learn a lot. But I've been influenced by it, honestly, myself. But... I have learned... I work with different kinds of populations. I mean, I work with Mexicans. I have met a whole bunch of Peruvians here as well. But most of the populations that I see are Mexicans, Salvadoranians, Guatemalans. A little bit of Peruvian, as I said. I work with Puerto Ricans as well. So it's very interesting. Like, it's mostly Central America. It's harder to get the South American one. Because most of the immigrants in California are from Central America. But each of their little... Not little, sometimes I say little. Each of their countries have their own belief system. You know, their own religion, their own spirituality, their own ritual. And I include all that in my assessment. And we're talking about things that you might have not ever heard. So please tell me if you need explanation. And this could take us another hour. Yeah. It sounds like that. That would be a fascinating program to do just on its own. Just the differences between all the people that you mentioned. From the countries, from the different countries. And the differences between Central Americans and Southern Americans. Oh, absolutely. Whenever you want. It's like working with people from the Midwest and people from LA. Exactly. I mean, it's just like that. Yeah. Two different sets of creatures. Yes. Yeah. And sometimes you have to be able... You really need to be able of not being afraid of asking questions. Like, I work with people on like talking about witchcraft, chamanism, salvadores. Like things that they... In their country sometimes engage in these practices. These cultural practices or spiritual practices or religion of beliefs as we call it. And I have to integrate them into my mental health. I have tons of colleagues that they have never explored these kinds of areas. That's important. Like I told you, a whole bunch of cases in another program if you want of how these have come together. And it's a part that personally fascinates me. Yes. Because that shows, I mean, like sometimes how you want to put them all in the same bag. You want to treat them... Okay. So you have a client. You have a client that has depression. You go into CBT. This is what you do. These are the things... I'm like, no, it doesn't work that way. Yeah. You need to bring up their cultural heritage into it. You know, same thing for other disorders. So you can treat them all in the same way. Exactly. So you need to get further training. Yeah. And spirituality is so important. Is so important. Dr. Jones, we are going to take a break. And when we come back, I'd love to talk to you about the Latino Mental Health Certification Program. And I'm sure you'll be able to share some of the information that you've learned at the Chicago School that you're going to be teaching this month. No problem. Are you searching for answers and insight to life issues? Is the behavior of family or friends questionable or concerning? Find tips and possible solutions from the convenience of your own PC, cell phone or tablet at therapycable.com. Therapy Cable has the most comprehensive library of contemporary therapy videos online. Help may be as easy as a few clicks away. All you need is a copy of this comprehensive therapy video, ranging from addiction to self-care and contact information for qualified providers. 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So if sometimes you don't have money to, like, go back and do a master's degree or, like, do a doctoral program, but you want to get a certification on something, this is a great one because then it's all focused with, we have six classes and they're all different doctoral professors. I teach actually the fourth month. I teach the community mental health month. But we have great classes. You know, we have Dr. Gonzales teaching political and ideology. Then we have Elizabeth Anichiro teaching assessment, you know, interventions. Then we have another professional, Dr. Canu, whose names might seem irrelevant. I just like them. Working on diagnosis skills. You know, then I come with community mental health. I have Dr. Navarro talking on Latino gender issues, which is a great topic as well. And then we finish with gerontology. So we're going in different areas. We're going in depth for one month. And then to the people that complete the six months, we'll give them their certification so that they can have their little specialty, you know. So we're working with this kind of population. So our goal as a university and as an institution is to provide that services out there to the community. You know, to everyone that wants to come over and get more specialized in working with Latinos, they can come actually at any time during the year. Because the idea that we have is that, I mean, the cohorts will meet for six months. But if you didn't have money on that month or for circumstances you couldn't register for the whole six months, you can start again in a different time. If there is enough time. Yeah. If there is enough people to open them, that's the thing. Okay. But we offer a discount. Like if they register for the six months, then we offer a discount to them so that they can get the six months at once and they can do it at their own time and at their own pace. Or we, you know, like if people just want to pay it monthly and they want to get just the CEUs for that month, they can do that too. So I think it's a great way for people to save money in degrees, but get some specialty in some multicultural companies. Yeah. So that's the idea. Yeah. And then you can get some of that cultural competency in a specific area. Right. And it's so... And a specific population. Yes. And it's so important, especially in Southern California, to get that specialization so you really know the different nuances of working with Hispanics and Latinos, Latinas. Correct. Yeah. Whatever country that they're from, at least you know the basic groundwork of working with a client. Mm-hmm. And again, you're able to walk in their shoes a little bit easier and understand what they're going through. Yeah. That's the goal. You know, we really want to help the community to understand these different topics. Like I wasn't taught any of that in school. You know, not here, not there. Like not on my masters, not on my doctoral. So we're always learning how we can improve our programs. And this is a great opportunity, you know, to have a whole bunch of people that's interested in working with the Latino community and discuss... Yes. ...the kind of issues that they're facing out there. And you know, you have a professional that's going to be specialized on that specific topic to help you figure things out. Yes. You know, to help you see how you can work with that specific community. And be compassionate. I'm really liking this idea. Yes. It's beautiful. It's great. Now, the Saturday classes, the first one is starting this Saturday, correct? Correct. Yeah. And what time? It starts at 9 a.m. in Irvine. Okay. Yeah. And so people still have time to register, so that will be great. The only thing, you know, like every month we do have to have enough people to start it. So if we don't have enough people for the month, then we usually pass them through the other month and so on. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I'm actually interested in taking this. So if you could... Oh, go ahead. Yes. That would be nice. So if you could give all of us the contact information on how we can register for this, for this class this coming Saturday. Yes, absolutely. I think maybe the easier way will be for them to contact me because I can just give them the...pass them all the flyers, because we have like a flyer with all the description of each class and what do they focus on, which are the dates and everything. So they can email me anytime they want. That might be the easier thing. My email is not as easy, so bear with me. It's nrojasjones, which is spelled as N as in nice, and it's spelled as N as in Nancy, R-O-J-A-S-J-O-N-E-S, at the chicagoschool.edu. Or they can also call me on my phone, like either on my office phone or my cell phone. I'm trying to get my...I don't know if you have handy, my office phone. I do, and I will give that number out right now. Oh, I have it. Doctor... That's the hardest one to get to. They just switched my phone. Oh, okay. Okay. I'll give you my office number. But my cell phone, which I'm more than happy to give to people, is 323-510-1203. So again, 323-510-1203. And then my office phone is 213-283-4230. Again, 213-283-4230. So more than happy to, you know, like explain to them the program more in detail or show them what we have to offer. But I think it's a great, great experience. They can also go through the Chicago School website and they can find us there. Or if they go to our continuing education department through our website, you will link them directly to the certification program, which is great as well. Okay. It does sound wonderful and sounds like it's going to be very informative for a lot of people. So I highly recommend that. Thank you. Thank you. Dr. Jones, as we are wrapping up, is there anything else that you would like to state about working with a Latino and Latina population that kind of came to mind, but you really didn't hit on during our conversation. No. No. I'm just kidding. Mostly, you know, to ask people out there, even the people that working on the field already that listen to your beautiful show or the people that just hear us because they love radio you know like if if you think about it if you are latino like and sometimes you have had things that happen to you and you don't know who to talk to you can always call us you know like and as i mean therapists um like if you go to places like psychology psychology uh today offers great websites but also like go through universities try to find people that is out there if you have access to medical there is so many services that you can get uh with professionals like myself and all my colleagues that are more than happy to try to help you out succeed you know and to the uh people that is working with latinos to just remind them that you know like if you are latino yourself always to remember where you're coming from and if you tell me that you're from here then ask the question again to yourself you know because you're really not only from here you're an area from different places so you need to remember that you know like as your parents what was their experience growing up and then link it to other things so you can able to treat your population in a different way that to me is the most important part you know like that you cannot put people in one little basket like it's that thing that goes for every single thing right don't put all your eggs in the basket don't put all your clients in the basket don't put all the latinos in the basket try to understand people in general as they come to you you know like and hopefully unless you're willing to manage care when you can only have 14 sessions to see them hopefully you will have the time to really get to know them and understand them and sometimes believe it or not that is the treatment that impacts them the most that you're trying to provide techniques techniques techniques techniques every single time to try to get things to work better sometimes they only need to be heard and understood they already have enough resources and tools to be able to work themselves you just need to help them to give them that push so they can find it so you know hopefully we inspire little people you need to get some counseling which is always awesome you know we go together we're tune-ups all the time we have supervision all the time we have uh therapy all the time because he helped us you know if we when you're saying that you don't have any problem then you do have a problem right exactly don't be in denial that's that's yeah that's the moral to the story for every ethnicity you know not just the latinos exactly exactly we all have our troubles to have for you and we're all in the same boat you know we're all in the same boat we're all in the same boat you know we're all in the same boat you know we're all in the same boat to work through in this lifetime but it is so marvelous to be able to work through them to work through them get stronger and grow from them yeah we're pretty blessed to do what we do yes we are really awesome i i highly agree i highly agree you know you were such a pleasure to have on and i certainly hope that i can come have you come on again for part two of this conversation i think no problem that'll be fun let's talk about all the brujerias and rituals those are fun that would be beautiful i would love to do that i'm gonna give you a little time here though and when you're ready just just contact me it sounds like you got your hands full right now when you're bored then call me i'm sure you're never bored oh it's great it's a great topic of conversation discussion uh well you were a delight dr jones thank you so much thank you so much for having me all right take care no problem bye and thank you so much for tuning into psych one-on-one i really appreciate that you're coming back and getting some more information if you would like to contact me my email is jgoode8 at verizon.net and 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