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But anyway, continue to show support by going through the Amazon link at chrisabala.com by visiting dollarshaveclub.com slash cape. This show is free. It will always be free. But we like doing the show here at Skid Row Studios. And that costs money. Now granted, if we weren't doing the show here, I'd be doing it somewhere else. Because, well, I'm just that stubborn. I'd be doing a show anywhere else. But it's nice doing it from here. Speaking of me. Being stubborn. That is known best by my cohorts from The Only Podcast That Matters. Who about five years ago, we started doing shows together. And went to 200 episodes. Packed it in this past December. But everyone has gone on to do various different things. And one of the founding members, one of my cohorts, co-hosts, whatever you like. He is online. He's on the phone to talk about his new project. So everybody, welcome to the show. The first Only Podcast That Matters alumni on the show. Everyone welcome, Ryan Taggart. Hello, Chris. Hello, Ryan. How's it going? Hello. Thank you for having me on the show. Oh, I'm thrilled to have you on the show. You have the distinction of being the first alumni of The Only Podcast That Matters. Of at least the original four. And mostly out of the extended family. Of being on Cape. So congratulations. Oh, thank you very much. I appreciate it. And this is the first time you're a guest on somebody else's podcast, too. So that's a little, that's pretty remarkable. Yeah, that is also correct. Popping all kinds of cherries tonight. Yeah. Which you beat me to that. Because I have a bunch of friends who have podcasts. But I think they're afraid to have me on as a guest. I've yet to be a guest on anyone else's show. Because they're likely afraid I'm going to take up the whole show by just talking. And they would be correct. Yeah. Yeah. So I understand it. Look, I can't possibly get mad at anybody for not having me on as a guest. Of course not. Because as you know, I can. I can fill in an hour on my own. Yammering about whatever. I've seen you do it. Many, many times. Hundreds of times. So Ryan has launched a new website. NoSeatBeltBlog.com. Which is. Yes, that's right. A collection of musings from past, present, and will be posts as well in the future. Ryan was actually, has the distinction as well of being the first blogger on TheOnlyPodcast.com. Where you can find all the stuff we did together, by the way. Along with Andrew Rizzatello and Jack DeFranco. And many more. He has had his blog, Revelations and Doorknobs. The incredibly named Revelations and Doorknobs premiere on the website. Because he wanted to do more. Andrew was kind of the webmaster handling all the stuff on the back door of the website. I was editing and posting the shows. And Ryan was just kind of like, I want to do something. So he started writing twice a week. He needed something to do. Yeah. Yeah. And for a while, it was twice a week. And then it went down to once a week. Because we were all posting on a daily basis. Right. And. I started running out of ideas too. Yeah. It was about, right around three years ago that you stopped posting on a weekly basis. So what finally has brought you back to doing regular blog posts? Well, I've always loved writing. Ever since I was a little kid, I've always done creative writing and things like that. And obviously, I did my, I used to do blogs during the old MySpace days. I'm sure you remember that. So I was, I was writing blogs on MySpace all the time. And then once we had the opportunity to do our podcast, I started doing that. And, you know, once we, once we ended the podcast, I sort of felt an emptiness, if you will. And I just, I sat for a while and didn't do anything. And I just decided that I wanted to do something creative again. So last summer, I started a blog called The Nerd in the Box, which is toy centric. And that fizzled quickly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I just tunneled myself a little too much. And my wallet wouldn't support, you know, the continuous buying of toys, which I was accustomed to. Yeah, it's a dangerous habit. So that kind of led to the demise. So you've been pushing me a little bit to keep doing something. And I sat in an English class. I'm pursuing another degree at a community college here. And my English teacher was just thrilled by my writing. And she wouldn't leave me alone. She wouldn't leave me alone until I agreed to do something with it. So with that combination of encouragement, I decided to start something new. And here we are. Brilliant. And I love it. I've always been, as you said, a huge supporter of your writing because your blog was my favorite one on theonlypodcast.com, even more so than mine. Because Ryan is such an, it's a mark of an incredible writer, honestly, because he could, even if I disagreed, I still wanted to know what he had to say. I still want to read his thoughts on a particular subject. And we disagree a lot. We do. But in the way you just, you just write everything in such a, such an intelligent way. And so succinct and so entertaining that, you know, I always looked forward to when you were writing your blog every week because I want to know what it was you had to say. So when you started doing this and kind of opening yourself up beyond just doing toys, it's great because there's so much, you know, you're kind of confined. Well, in a case. Like if you're writing just about toys and you'd be confining yourself to one topic. And if there aren't any developments, like I said, you didn't really have the wallet to support your toy buying habit, at least to the degree that you used to. So then it becomes, well, what, what am I going to write about if I don't have any new stuff or if there's no news? That's the other thing. Exactly. So this is going to open me up to be a little more consistent. So I'm going to write about movies, music, toys, food, current events, things that are going on in the world. So that way I'll always have a concentration. I'll have a stream of ideas going and I can be more consistent with it. So I feel like this is going to be better for me for that purpose. Oh, yeah. And you've already loaded it up with a bunch of blogs, both some, some of your finest moments from Revelations and Doorknobs at TheOnlyPodcast.com. Some of your blogs from Nerd in the Box. So you guys can find that there. Once again, NoSeatBeltBlog.com is where you go. And then new entries as well, along with some of your entries from your English class, which I read through, which were brand new. No Seat Belt Blog. Dog exclusives. And which I read through and thought, God damn it. If I was your teacher, I would have been adamant. I'm like, why aren't you doing more with this? But I like anything. It was funny, too, is that when I found out that I had to take an English class, I was plenty pissed off because I just wanted to kind of take my core classes and get out. So I was a little annoyed that I had to sit through a college English class again. But I actually loved all of it. It was great to have a support system there and kind of nourish my writing. So I was really happy with it in the end. And it opened a new door for me. Oh, definitely. And it's good to kind of, I mean, from trying something that you thought you wanted to go just beyond doing toys, then something better came out of it. So as much as you had an idea, which was a solid idea, you were able to refine it. And now you have something better, which is more broad, which is more open. Like you said, you can write about whatever you want now, which is great. A lot of movie stuff, too. That's where the title kind of comes from. It's going to be unrestrained. So kids, wear your seatbelts. I promise. I'm not encouraging anything like that. Are you putting your life in danger out on the road? Yeah. Don't be stupid. This isn't a safety-oriented thing at all. Always buckle up. It's a personal statement about Ryan. It has nothing to do with automotive safety. Wear your seatbelts, please. Right. Don't be stupid. This isn't some kind of credo. It's just a website name, for crying out loud. Please be safe. Anyway. Anyway. So what else do you have? What else do you have going on, aside from blogs, which you'll be posting pretty regularly? You're posting a few on a regular basis. What else do you have going on? It'll be once or twice a week, if I can manage it. So I'll keep it pretty consistent. And our fellow cohort from The Only Podcast That Matters, Jack, and I are working on something new that we'll be bringing to the world in a couple of weeks, hopefully. So I'm not going to say too much about it now. We're going to get some things together. And just stay tuned. Stay tuned for that. It's going to be fun. Yes. Oh, and they will hear about it on the show. I promise. Awesome. What you guys have going on, yeah, it's going to happen. So noseatballblog.com, everybody. That's where you go. And like the Facebook page as well. You can find that over on Facebook. And you can follow Ryan at Tagsonian, which is like Smithsonian, but with T-A-G-G at the front of it, minus the Smith, on Instagram and Twitter. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. He has a tremendous toy collection anyway, which he posts very consistently on his Instagram. And one of my favorite things about his Instagram as well is what he'll do on the dry erase board on his fridge is he will take in a semi out of context for the rest of the world, except him, a quote from a movie and write it out and then just post a photo of that. I think he posted one and I've been harassing him to post them every time he puts up a new one. I do it for you. You do. Every day. Every day. Yeah. I'm definitely in the target demographic for that. I'm a huge fan. You are. You always appreciate it. So I'll keep them coming. So that's one good reason to follow the gentleman on Instagram and Twitter as well. More so, I'd push the Instagram more because he posts more frequently on there. But... Right. I haven't been very active on Twitter. I'm thinking of getting back into it, but I have not tweeted in a while. Well, now I got something to put. We're all here to shill something. So now that you have something new going on, you could be all over Twitter. Now I have a reason to get back on the tweet bandwagon. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Do it. Absolutely do it. As our friend Dan would say. And once again, everybody, Tagsonian. You can follow him on social media. Like the No Seatbelt blog on Facebook and noseatbeltblog.com. And of course, the links are at chrislabalo.com under the links section. Ryan gets in there because he's a personal friend, a close personal friend who's an exceptional writer. And man, can he wear the shit out of a two-piece bathing suit. So thank you very much, Ryan, for calling in. I appreciate it. And I can rub the other guy's noses in it. That's great. That you've been on the show. Thank you for having me. I really appreciate it. Absolutely, man. Anytime. All right. Thanks. Have a good show. Love you, buddy. I'll talk to you soon. Thanks. I'll talk to you soon. Bye, guys. Bye. The great Ryan Taggart. Is it wrong of me to have wanted to send him a message letting him know to be nervous to call into the show? I was really, really tempted to be like, man, you should be worried. I've been doing this for six months at the studio and I'm still terrified to do this on a weekly basis. But I thought, don't do that. It's going to be easy. It's going to be fine. You know each other. You want him to be relaxed. You're a low pressure kind of host. It'll be fine. But I was really, really tempted. I'm not going to lie. Speaking of the only podcast that matters, this Friday, there will be a new clip show going up on theonlypodcast.com, which as of now is the only place you can find. Well, I'm sorry. You can find the show on the Stitcher radio app as well. iTunes, we're still trying to work out and try and get the show back on. If you have subscribed, you should be getting the shows that are there. But right now, it's not featured in the iTunes. It's iTunes store. So new subscriptions are a little difficult at the moment. But you still go to theonlypodcast.com to check out everything. But this Friday sees the release of a new clip show, which is called X chromosome marks the spot, the best of the women on the only podcast that matters, which the high time we gave the many women who have sat in the seats and been on the mics with us, their best of show, because they bring in a perspective that us four idiots couldn't have possibly brought in on our own. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we're men, which we're not that smart, but redundant. So I'm going to play a little teaser clip for what's going to be released this Friday. And this is a bit just to set it up slightly because I wanted to keep the clip shorter than it is on the in the clip show itself. We're talking about how we don't understand the handbag concept when it comes to women and the aforementioned Andrew is speaking about it. And we were in their apartment when we started for the first year. We're recording the show at Andrew's apartment. Where he lives with his wife, Veronica. And Veronica gets offended and then steps in and starts defending the handbag necessity to us guys. So we're going to take a quick break. Check out this clip from the only podcast that matters. X chromosome marks the spot. The best of the women. And we come back. Larry Rodriguez will be in the studio. So see you guys momentarily. We'll be right back. The show was your idea. Yeah. Come over to the. You suggested pinch cast. So please jump right in. Why are handbags so important? They're very important. Number one, it's all about style. And the style now is the bigger the bag. So number one, you guys, all you do is carry around a frigging five bucks, a credit card and a condom. You know, that's it. You all take the five bucks from us anyway. Yeah, that's true because it's ours anyway. Yeah. And the condom gets used on you. So you just. It's all for you. You just carry more of our shit. You just carry more of our shit. And you've already admitted that you can't. You don't understand the entire wallet principle because like you've you've put my wallet in your back pocket like I normally. It's like a tumor. And mind you, Chris's wallet is a hell of a lot fatter than mine. Not because of the amount of money he has in it. Definitely not bad. That's right. Bank it to Franco. Yeah. They say that can fuck up your posture. Huh? If you if you have a fat wallet and it's like in your back pocket and just from sitting for a long time. Yeah. It can fuck up your posture. It moves your spine. Yeah. I always carry it in my left pocket. Well, we'll get into that. We'll get into that in another show about why why you put things in different pockets. Yeah. In different pockets. Yeah. Look at your man. Now look at me. Well, you can't. Anyway, I carry substance. I carry important stuff in my purse. OK, that's number one. Number two, I have my wallet. I have a brush. I make up if I want to wear it. I have paperwork that never comes out of my purse because I forget. I have pictures. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Hold on. Hold on. Why can't you just get a ten dollar purse from. Before that. No, no. Before you answer his question, answer mine. When we first started dating, you had a small coach bag. Yeah. I have never. Now you and I have gone back and forth about how like, you know, oh, it's a coach bag. Blah, blah, blah. I still got that bag, too. See, but I'm never going. I'm not really going to argue over price because back when we started dating, I wanted every Xbox game known to man. That's one of the biggest points, though. Not done. Obviously. You had a smaller coach bag, like I described to the guys before that, you know, kind of just a little shoulder bag. You had all the same shit in it, though. Why the fuck do you need a bigger bag? Does it need air? Is it like a fucking cigar that it has to have fucking like ventilation? Yeah. You need to carry your crap in my purse. Carry your groceries home. Yes, I do. Go through it right now. I live with you. No, you don't. Go through it. You have the same shit. No, I do not. Eight years ago. Yeah. No, I do not. I think it's the same tampon. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Dude. Regardless. All right. Ryan. They're much needed. Well, as I was saying, why, regardless of the size of the bag, why can't you just buy a $10 bag from any given... Because they're ugly. It's about style, right? It's about style. Let me tell you something. Dudes do it, too. I don't care what you say. No, we don't. Yeah, you do. Any girl... When I try to pick out a purse, it's not about style, all right? No. No. Let me finish what I was going to say. You guys... It's about function. Let's do the same thing, too. You will walk into any venue, any place you are, and you'll judge other dudes. Girls, we see a chick who's wearing something gross or wearing an ugly bag, and you're like, damn. What, in your opinion, do men judge other men on? I don't judge other dudes in one way. You guys judge. You guys judge. In one way, though. Well, what can you compare to what men judge on each other in the way a woman will judge a handbag on another woman? Honestly. Because this is news to me. You guys judge band titties. You know you do. What did you just say? Band titties. Yeah, but that's not an accessory. Movies. That's a curse. You guys still think about it, though. You're like, damn. No, we don't. No, we don't. No, because that's just heavier people in general. Can I get an amen? Amen. Hallelujah. We don't judge other dudes. No, we don't. No, we don't. We don't. You're talking about... We are talking about women judging other women on accessories, physical, not traits of their body, things that they go out and purchase, like handbags or shoes or pants or clothes. Right. We size each other up way more than we do. Yes, we do. I'm out of doubt. Yes, we do. It's like, guys are simple. We're like, oh, she's hot. Done. Yeah. Done. Yeah. Girls are like, oh, she's hotter than me. Yeah. Why is she hotter than me? Where'd she get that ugly purse? Where'd she get the shoes? Where'd she get the purse? She got fake boobs. She's got fake lips. She's got a fake ass. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. We don't care. How many times have I been out with you and said, oh, damn, she's got great hair. I wish I had that hair. That's a nice shirt. I want that shirt. Da, da, da, da. You know what I mean? I've said it. Yeah, I get it. I know. I live with you. I'm married to you. I know. And you're going to suffer forever for it. Oh, that was an evil grin. Take your mic back. Take your mic back. It's going to come in handy in divorce court. We have this shit recorded. Divorce case. Yes. Oh, Christ. Go back in the room. Go watch your Jersey Housewives or some shit. Whatever. Goodbye, Veronica. Goodbye. Goodbye. Larry Rodriguez, live in the studio. Here he is. Welcome, sir. Thank you very much for coming in. Thank you so much for having me. Larry was one of the people who shot the repeatedly mentioned web series Scared Housewives, which if you haven't checked it out, by the way, it's been a while, but Candace and John, who are on here all the time, were in that show and was written and directed by Eric Wilson and Dan Lobrace. So that was, yeah, Cape 33, they were on here. If you want to check them out, start. Sherry had a small part in it, who's always on the show here. Lauren Sperling, as well, who was on the show before and will likely be back soon. But, you know, we'll play that as it goes. So that's actually how we met as well, was you were shooting Scared Housewives. Would that be? Cinematography, technically? For that one, yeah. Director of photography? It was directing. It was directing and director of photography. I kind of just was in control of the angles and stuff like that. But it was weird because I always have kind of like an original style. I like to think so. It's like it's weird to take over a show that already has a set style. Tuan Dang was the main guy for that. I kind of took over that. Just saying, oh, okay. So you want to do justice to the show's style. Right. It's just kind of weird. It's like, all right, I'm going to do my thing. But at the same time, not really. So let's see. Yeah. Yeah. Because you're filling in. So while there's already a look to it, you need to copy that. But you kind of want to put your own stamp on it as well. Yeah. Which you do. That's actually one of the things that caught me about your YouTube videos, which was something I don't have, even though I've directed like, I don't know, 20-something web videos. I don't have any visual style. I'm primarily a writer. But I end up directing it because I kind of have an idea how I want it to turn out, or at least with the performances I heard in my head when I wrote it. I have no visual anything, really. So it's cool to watch your stuff and see somebody who has a visual style, because I loved Colorless, which is one of your shorts. Yes. And The Hanging Fellow. I have the name right, don't I? Yes. Okay. And those will be posted as well, chrisabalo.com. Everybody can look for the Kate58 post. And check out Larry's channel, which I believe has three shorts on it, correct? Yeah. It should be three, yeah. More to come. Of course. Of course more to come. Of course. Oh, gosh. Yeah. Oh, I'm so excited for that. That's why. So where did you get that? Oh, gosh. Oh, gosh. Oh, gosh. Where did you get started? Where were you hatched? Oh. And how did you end up out here? I was hatched. So I hate this, because I was born in Santa Maria, California. All right? And then at the age of like two, moved to Las Vegas. And so I just tell everybody I'm from Vegas, because I grew up in Vegas, left there when I was 18. And I just hate it when everyone's like, oh, where are you from? I'm like, I'm from Vegas. Oh, you were born there? Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever. And yeah. No. And then I hate it, because I'm like, no, I was born in California. And then when I was two, nobody wants to hear that. Move on. Yeah. Just bullet points. Nobody has the attention span to hear the whole story. That's just manners half the time. Nobody cares. Yeah. Oh, really? And they're checking their phones. Yeah. Hey, wait. Checking their Instagram. Don't you want to know? All they're going to remember is you said you were from Vegas anyway, so just go with it. Yeah, I'm from Vegas. Yeah, whatever. I'm from there. Yeah. Because there's a luster to it as well. So I'm from Vegas. Yeah. I'm from there. And then it's weird, too, because, you know, instead of saying Nevada, it's Vegas. And it's not to sound like that. It's just because that's the city I know. You know? It's weird. That's what everybody knows. Yeah, of course. It's one of the worldwide destinations. Everybody knows. Just rename the state of Vegas already. So what is it that made you come out here at the tender age of 18 as a pup? A ripe little grape that I was. Yeah. I love film. I directed a lot of theater. That's where I started directing. So directing theater. Loved it. Loved working with actors. And then I said, I love movies, too. Let's put it together. And then I went to film school out here for four years. Columbia College Hollywood. Nice. Shout out. Shout out to Columbia College Hollywood. Shout out to them. Good people. Raised me right. And yeah, I learned a lot there. And it was a very small school. So it was very hands-on. So I already just started working on stuff day one there already. Just like shorts. And just like, I want to do this. I want to do this. And I learned about camera angles. And the stuff that I've done in college I hated because it's so simple. And I was still just trying to find my style as we've talked about. So it's taken a while and a lot of independent stuff. And blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. But you do. It's a matter. It's the same. It's the same thing like with doing this. Like people have said to me like, oh, but you're so good at being able to get on a show and just keep it moving for an hour. Well, I never started doing a live anything until six months ago. Yeah. It's just reps. Yeah, exactly. You kind of have to do it. And then you find how you handle yourself. Perfect. Yeah. So yeah, it's so different. It's like going to the gym. Yeah. And that's what I say. It's like, it's just reps. I only do an hour a week. So it's been a very slow progression, but steady enough that I've been doing this for just about six months now out of the studio. So you get used to it. And same thing with shooting those films. Like if they make you do rudimentary stuff, which I would imagine to start just for you to get comfortable with the equipment and just to get that down. My first shoot, I was so nervous and it was just so weird. So it's like that reps, so to speak. The gym start off with a beer gut, film wise metaphor, stupid and then not, you know, trimmed down a little bit just because of all the work. But yeah, so it's been weird to just see the evolution of it. Since I said like theater, it's like, so two dimensional to move into three dimensional world is very interesting. And it's a medium. It's something you focus on for a lot longer than something you focus on for a lot longer theater is like oh god yeah does that inform your directing do you try to get everybody to nail it kind of yeah yeah a little bit it's i kind of cheat because close-ups are a thing you don't have a theater so it's like it's cool it's like if you mess up you know whatever it's like don't i like wide takes but or wide shots but you know close-ups can be good too so it's like i do it in your own it's funny what proper actors are kind of used to that anyway it's like oh you're gonna do coverage do what now oh yeah the close-up yeah sure we'll do a couple of those and then be like i guess i'll use them yeah we shot it yeah we did it as well it helps too because uh theater people like to talk about theater and also themselves so it helps a lot just be like you know they're like i was in the music man like oh i i love the music man uh because i i sang a song for me once go on like oh you sang a song i did too i was you know yeah which is one of the things frankly about being out here because there is a a theater community yeah so it's lovely they're lovely people by the way i love actors you you love the actors we know yeah i love those ones yeah skilled talented people not egos uh if you have a headshot in hollywood i don't know if anybody out there does who lives in hollywood has a headshot you might that's might have a hard time nailing one down yeah well good for you if you got it that takes a lot of time i hate that i was this is such a stupid thing because i got a thing from from my agent saying um please send us your most up-to-date headshot your most up-to-date demo blah blah blah because they just said we're we're changing up our site we want to make sure we have everything resend it anyway this sounds such like a hollywood douchey thing so forgive me for but i just got this email over the weekend and um now that the last photo shoot i did was actually for the aforementioned uh the only podcast that matters when we did our our final photo shoot last september uh in anticipation of the end of the of the show so my most recent photo shoot was 10 months ago which i thought i'm going to do it in a couple of weeks i'm going to do it in a couple of weeks i'm going to do it in a couple of weeks i'm going to do it in a couple of weeks yeah i'm just going to use that that should be fine right yeah sure just a couple solo shots of me and i'll just pick the best one to use that because the whole i as much of a natural born ham as i am i hate just standing there and like posing just because you feel so i don't know i just feel so weird doing that like just getting on camera as much i'm fine with performing i'm fine with being on camera like i don't have any inhibitions about that but just stand and have your photo taken and try to look yeah in a certain way yeah i i can't do it always weird always weird it's such an uncomfortable i mean i'm sure people are into it and people love doing it it's like getting photos of them but if you can do a natural headshot god bless you that's great because that's i agree yeah same thing it's like i don't mind cameras clearly hello um but the uh to like be in your natural environment and just be like posing but not posing and have an emotion but not really you have to have neutral emotions it's like a you have to be sad but also very happy so they know you can do both emotions you know right yeah with with we have a little more energy in your eyes i don't understand put those shy eyes away bring them out oh it's so funny and i was thinking boy am i glad i have a recent enough photo yeah because i had a friend who worked in a production where the most recent headshots for some of the actors who came into audition were like from six years ago they had it with multiple people oh yeah when you know they had were uh eight pants sizes shorter and had more hair and all sorts of stuff like there were all sorts of things like they came in and they didn't resemble their what was their current headshot uh-huh and they didn't resemble their what was their current headshot uh-huh and they didn't resemble their what was their current headshot uh-huh and they didn't resemble their and they didn't resemble their what was their current headshot uh-huh and he was like we hate that that happened i said i could imagine it's totally it's gonna happen so when i said i was talking about it with him and saying my most recent one was from last september he's like that's fine if it's within the last year that's a positive for for anybody who's looking for anything but it's also voice acting so it's not as big a deal yeah it's a voice acting agency yeah i hate when that happens though that happens a lot people always their headshots are from years and years ago he's going oh yeah yeah well what'd you expect i was going to see you it's not like you're going to magically turn into that headshot yeah i'm like you are fully prepared for me to go who are you yeah that's awesome yeah it's it's a weird weird thing i mean i guess they figure well this will get me in the room and that'll show them what i can do but if you don't look a lot of it's so so much of it's based on the look kind of because they they know what they want but they don't so a bunch of people come in who all look similar and it's like if you don't look like that photo anymore it doesn't matter i did that uh kind of on purpose i guess i uh fun fact audition for baby geniuses three that's right wow yeah yeah it's a third one third installment of that great franchise trilogy yeah who could forget timeless but anyway timeless baby geniuses three and i don't act i hate acting no i don't want that uh but it was just kind of like a favorite for uh my school and i was there and it was the strangest thing because i had to bring a headshot for me to look younger like uh my role that i was reading for was an uh one of the employees for like this chicken stand and he had uh and it was in england shot in england or something or the setting was in england right and it was like santa clarita exactly yeah somewhere and um and uh it was like it was an english accent and like no i i don't like to act anymore and i don't want to do accents ever so it's just like a weird thing but i used the headshot to be like yeah i look like an employee because it was mine from like four years ago and then at that audition it was just all like 18 year old girls all blonde and the same height like they just cloned them out they all sat there and then like a bunch of babies that's all it was and just me just like this weird just you in the middle yeah with that old headshot it was like i don't know what i'm doing here yeah yeah nobody else here for the british fried chicken stand guy no nobody just me not that day you guys are too young you're all too pretty yeah i guess it's gonna be me it's gonna be me yeah no so school is a four-year program yeah wow bfa oh right bachelor of fine arts people who don't know yeah wow four four years and uh go by quick because you're always just so busy there that's the thing yeah especially if you're just doing shoot after shoot after shoot just like where did all the time go and yeah yeah and but it's cool though i actually moved out to california uh the first time long story but with a friend who was in film school and yeah they kind of it was only a year program but they they hit the ground running and we're just shooting all the time at odd hours i mean i think it was more condensed because it was a one-year program so but that wasn't as elaborate yeah so he was always at all hours working on something and it was very i don't want to say rush but you know again condensed yeah where he had to just get out of the room and just do it again and then he was like oh my god i'm gonna do it again and then he was like oh my god i'm gonna do it again something and it was very i don't want to say rush but you know again condensed yeah where he had to just go through everything and there were um like levels of completion almost like achievements if you're playing for the video game audience of which there's virtually none for this show which is for the sake of argument well not yet we'll see what impact you have on that but yeah just the rate he had to kind of um learn things and then move on to doing the next level but it was also kind of weird they had to switch roles like some people went in saying they wanted to be directors but then someone changed um their concentration to uh producing or different technical jobs again technically i know nothing is it from the the equipment side of it so i can't even speak to everything they focused on but they had um their degree was um concentrating in producing directing etc yeah so i guess dp yeah would be one of them we had the same kind of program different emphasis says emphasize you know emphasize yeah to what you're going to major in and they tell you in the beginning too it's like that 80 people will change their major oh for sure yeah i'm like oh my god that doesn't make any sense i want to direct and only direct and at the end of it it was that but you know i was just part of that 20 everybody else though uh yeah it was kind of cool to see people move on it's like for a writer to be like the best producer you know or the producer like the best dp i know we're like dang talented good for you well i think once it's kind of good because when you get an environment like that especially when it comes to actually doing the job like your program sounds very hands-on so once people start doing it they may realize that as passionate as they are for it they don't have this the ability or once they're actually doing it it may not be their thing um at least doing it on the on the school level or they may say all right this isn't what i'm angling towards at all or this isn't what i thought it would be i don't want to dip into this as a profession it's not like med school where they spend eight years and it's just like oh god i don't even like this what have i done i'm out so they probably get in there and they're like uh well the producer handles all this stuff or like the dp or what have you director photography by the way for the porn freaks um um um this. That's a huge joke. That always gets a laugh out of people. You mentioned DP. It's like, director of photography. It's just an abbreviation. It's not a douchey Hollywood term. This is DP. DP? Yeah. So your focus, you end up sticking with directing. And what happened after school? What was the move? Oh, man. Oh, after school, I made the genius decision to work at Edible Arrangements. Shout out to Edible Arrangements. That's a straight line from film school. It's a great one. Yeah, of course. Yeah, everybody does that route. That was just to make money or something. I was stupid. But yeah, I went there. I unthawed the strawberries at 5 a.m. Like 5 a.m. shifts and stuff. I worked Valentine's Day, which is like a crazy, huge rush there. And we got the biggest balloon that was like always out of stock was the I'm sorry balloon, which I love for some reason. Because we had like, I love you. It's a boy. It's a girl and stuff. And it's like, I'm sorry. And those were always out of stock. And I would always work in the front. I would get calls about that. Yeah. And they're like, okay, I had a balloon. Yeah, yeah. Which one do you want? I'm sorry. I'm sorry, balloon. Like, oh, okay. Sorry. They would be dudes calling in, right? Oh, yeah. Okay. Oh, yeah. Old dudes. Always. Yeah. Call her up. And like sometimes they didn't even want the mistresses. I had to deliver also sometimes. I delivered on Valentine's Day. That was hell. And I went to a hospital where this girl was working. And then I brought it to her. It was an I'm sorry balloon, of course. And I'm going there with the fruit basket. And she sees it and she goes, I don't want that. And she goes, throw it away. Throw it all away. I'm like, I can't. Just take it. Or sign. Because you need your signature. She's like, I'm on a sign, but you throw that away. I said, okay. Okay. I'm out. Good waste of fruit. I threw it away into my belly. Yeah. Oh, why wouldn't you? Mm-hmm. Why wouldn't you? It's like, I'm going to make films. I'm not expecting to have any money. Yeah. So I wasn't focusing on that at all. I was focusing on my fruit career at the time, I guess. I don't know. For some reason, I didn't do film. Didn't focus on film for a while. It took like a vacation. Because I just worked hard. So I thought hard on a bunch of stuff. So I was just like, I'm just going to take some months off. Clear my head. Did. Yeah. When did you start shooting the shorts on your own? How recently? I mean, I know they went up within the last year. Yeah. Within the last nine months or so. Yeah. I'm going to say September. September, I came up with this idea to push myself because it's hard after film school to do everything on your own. And I have a lot of people who helped me. Shout out to them. Awesome people. But it's hard to keep everything on your back and do everything on your own. So it's like, no, I don't want to do that. It's so hard. And I was like, but if I force myself to. So I started this thing where it's like we would do a short every month on the first. Yeah. So it's like August 1st, it'd be a short. September 1st, it'd be a short. And Hannah Clifton, a friend of mine from work. She's my director of photography. My DP. That's what I established. No, don't. Thank you. Calm down everybody. Yeah. So we talked about it and just like working together and we realized we have the same vision about everything. And she, I love her eye. Great photographer. Great DP. So it goes hand in hand. And now we're That's the last one. Please don't. No, keep going. Okay. Well, now that you've said it. Yeah, we work really well. And we're still working together and working on a new one. And it's cool. So like, I'm just keep, I'm doing it because she's doing it with me, kind of. And I have a couple friends too. We're going to be hopefully working together on future stuff. I'm just trying to broaden people we're working with and stuff. Because we work with a very small crew. The thing with Lawrence Burling for Colorless, it was me and Hannah. That was it. Just us. Oh, really? Yeah, just us. No lighting people and nothing. And like sometimes I would hold like a, you know, tinfoil or something to reflect the sun. So I'm stupid. But it's two people. DIY. I mean, hey. So everybody's getting things done right now. So it makes perfect sense. That's actually really practical. I'm sure people use it, but I've never heard of it. That's a smart idea. To give the soft light to the female lead's face. Exactly. Tinfoil is burning. Colorless, incidentally, features two people who've been on Cape, which is Lawrence Burling is the lead actress. And the lead actor is Adam Chambers, who was on here with the show with Adam and Sean, who were on a few weeks ago. And he's an actor as well, as we talked about. So they were leads in that, which was cool. And again, I'll post that. On the Cape 58 post at ChrisBall.com. You guys can watch Colorless. And The Hanging Fellow, which is the first one I saw of yours. I didn't realize you did Colorless because Lauren had posted it on her social media and I saw, oh, okay, cool. Lauren did something. And I didn't. It just didn't register. Oh, this is Larry, who I met doing Scared Houseless because you shot the night I was in Scared Houseless, but not really because I was just a zombified extra in the background. Yeah. I don't think I was anywhere in the final cut, which is fine. That wasn't the idea. I know. I mean, I was probably on camera in montage shots, but not noticeably. Boy, were you my favorite extra. Well, thank you very much. I mean, yeah. I had the best makeup. Oh, 100%. That was great. Hands down, the best makeup. But, yeah, that was actually I didn't make the connection. It was just like, oh, Larry from Scared Houseless did this. Okay, cool. And then when I saw I forget who posted The Hanging Fellow. It was when I saw that and I was just like, wow. And that was, I mean, aside from the fact that Colorless, which I don't want to talk about it too much because people should be watching it. So watch it and you'll see there's a certain visual style to it, which everyone will see once they watch it. But The Hanging Fellow I thought visually, I was like, oh, it's really cool. Very dark comedically, too, which I loved. I was like, ah! I was cackling at the end of it because it's a very dark subject. I had to go through that for some reason because all my earlier stuff, college stuff, high school stuff is so happy and so light and fun and great. And I don't know why people ask, too, when they see some of this stuff, it's like, are you alright? I'm so happy. I'm great with life. It's great. It's just like, I feel like I need to just tell it. And that saying, write about what you know. I never do that because I don't know about killing myself or being in a colorless world or all these weird things that we're doing. Right. You can just write pure fantasy. Yeah, of course. That's what it is. It's fantasy. Weird fantasy. Fantasy, yeah. I don't think his metal bands have ever fought a dragon. They're able to write songs about it. So what the hell? I don't know. How about you, James Dio? I don't like to believe that. I mean, it'd be great if he did, but I doubt it. Look, it's before the smartphone era, so we'll never know. But I'm going to go with no, but he was still a very convincing song. So you should be able to write fictitious stuff. I continue to do that, yeah. It's dark. It's weird. It's dark, but it's really cool. I went through like a weird Wes Anderson slash Louis phase. I think maybe that's what I have to blame it on. Like, why has it changed so drastically with style? Because I love Wes Anderson and his style so much, but his style is so original that you don't want to copy it, and I don't even want to dare step in it, because I hate when people do that stealing. It's cool for like a shot or two, but not the whole style. Don't steal your style. Yeah, because you're immediately just going to get compared to oh, this guy's a Wes Anderson ripoff. Exactly, yeah. You want to match to a certain extent. I mean, you can take an influence from it. Like, that was one of the things that people were critical about when J.J. Abrams did Super 8. Where they said a lot of shots were almost like direct ripoff. Like, as far as the negative things I heard about it, people were saying like, rip this off from Steven Spielberg or rip this off from John Landis or whomever from that era of sci-fi directors of yore. And they just didn't like that it was just too clearly like, oh, he's just doing that instead of his own thing. It's dangerous to be a big-time director and mention who your influences are, because then all the people go back. Nerds or just people who are bored. Oh, yeah, really? It's like, oh, he did steal that hat. Well, especially now in the pounce generation where everybody just wants to jump all over everybody else. The pounce generation, that's perfect. That's what it is. Yeah, that's the best thing for, I believe, Eddie Trunk calls it that. That's genius. It's true. It's like everybody just wants to jump on whatever's going on. Oh, yeah? Let's look it up on Twitter. See everything. Exactly. See everything you've ever said and never posted and whatever, because it all lives forever. That's what it is. It's gross. But there's so much content that we can just keep moving on. Doesn't matter anymore. Yeah. 50 Cent went bankrupt today, or he's filing for bankruptcy. Yeah. All right, cool. I'm going to forget about it next week. I already forgot about it today because I woke up to that news and went, oh, man, dang. Sorry, man. And then, you know, just a couple minutes before coming in here, I was just on my phone and I was going, oh, yeah, he did. I forgot about it. I was just, already a day. It doesn't matter, you know. Yeah, just keep moving forward. Nobody remembers anything. Just keep going. Who cares? It's such a cycle of things that nobody's going to remember. Uh-huh. Even the bad stuff, everybody just kind of moves past it like, ah, okay. Yeah. Moving on. Yeah, it's over. Let's move on to the next thing. It's funny you mentioned Louis because that's something a lot of people kind of took the, because, frankly, I don't, and I've, of course, watched his show on TV, and it's something that a lot of people kind of, they don't give him credit necessarily for directing or for what he does. They just look at his writing and they look at him on camera and like, ah, with his daughters and everything else. But I think as far as taking that and being really, really do-it-yourself with it, as far as, you know, here's the budget, you shoot it, and then turn it in and just stay under budget. And the fact that he directs and edits a lot. He does a lot of it on his Mac and all the stuff he puts together. And now it's become something where people want to do that. Whereas nobody considered doing something that was that rugged or even guerrilla style, maybe. That may be an exaggerated use for what he did. It's like a cleaner guerrilla style. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's using high-quality cameras and he's cutting it on professional software, but nobody, you know, just it being very raw, it's kind of like a more stripped-down version of, let's say, something like The Office. Kind of almost freehand camera documentary style that would follow people around. But instead, this is very much like it looks like a slice of life, but everybody knows it's a show. Exactly, yeah. Louis has never seen a tripod in his life. And if he did, he'd be frightened. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Which is great, because it's moving with the action. Actually, the first, or one of the episodes that I saw, which is up for the Jim Gaffigan show, which is premiering this week, is similar enough in the way it follows things around. I mean, you can tell there are setups. Yeah. Not just somebody walking around behind a person with a camera following the action, but it's interesting that I guess, and not putting down Jim Gaffigan's show, it's hilarious. At least the episode I saw of it was. And it's interesting, though, how that seems to be like a style another show with another comedian is going for. Not totally, not in a rip-off way, but I think that there's more of a desire because he did that, which, even though there's some, like I said, that docu style, you know, the shows, tons of NBC shows, for instance, even though it's way polished compared to, say, Louis, at least as far as I can tell, he looks more on the fly. Yeah. I'm sure there's tons of planning that goes into it, but it's interesting now that you take, you know, another comedian who's doing a show like that and it's, you know, stylistically, it's kind of similar, where, like, that's almost a template now, which is interesting. Yeah, it's interesting. It's interesting when a style becomes huge and then how people kind of take that and spin that, you know. Same with, like, The Office. That started a huge phenomenon. Yeah. Even, like, The Dark Knight, you know, or Batman Begins Christopher Nolan, just dark gritty, and now everybody wants to be dark gritty. Yeah. That looks nice. It's like, throw a filter on there, make it as dirty as possible or just grimy. Well, that seems to be the tone they're going for now, especially with all the DC trials that dropped this weekend. Oh, hey, yeah. With Comic-Con. Which, by the way, are amazing. It's like, everything's going to be dark and gritty and it's, everyone's, well, not downtrodden, but, you know, this ain't your No. This ain't your father's Batman. Yeah. Your father's Batman. It was lame, but these ones were dark and cool. Yeah, I love that trailer. I think that's so cool. Yeah. I hate superhero movies. Really? Yeah, I hated Man of Steel, but I did too. Yeah. That's the only reason I have zero expectations for Batman v Superman Rush to the Justice League. But, that trailer. Yeah. See, it's one of those things, people have been bugging me. Alright, now we've we've opened up this can of worms. Let's talk about it. I didn't want to bring up, not that I didn't want to bring up Comic-Con or anything, but it's something everyone's talking about. Yeah, come on. And again, we'll be forgotten about when some other trailer drops next week, but since Comic-Con was this past weekend. Yeah. My thing is, because of Man of Steel and the fact that I thought it was boring more than anything else, I just didn't dig it. And it's stupid violent, especially at the end. I was like, what the hell is this? Yeah. I have such low expectations for that in the first place. We're like, maybe it'll be good. Maybe, maybe not. Yeah. So I don't know. I'm not, I'll have to see more of it, but you can really make anything look good for two and a half minutes. Perfect example, every single Transformer movie. Yeah. Oh, yeah, of course. I mean, the trailers look amazing. Every time it's just like, you know, this could be the one, this is going to turn it around and they all suck. They're all just interesting. Trailers will get you, man. Trailers will get you. They will. My biggest one was The Secret Life of Walter Mitty. If anyone remembers that, of Monsters and Men song playing over it. Beautiful song, beautiful trailer. I was so in. Stupidly, the year began with me going like, Walter Mitty, that's that movie. It's going to be crazy. Saw it. Nah. No. Not even. That's not what you were hoping for at all. Oh, man, what happened? Because I actually like Ben Stiller as a director. Tropic Thunder, cable guy, Zoolander, of course. Yeah. Good. Like, oh, he's only getting like better. So I thought like, okay, so Walter Mitty and then rumors for the Oscars for him to be nominated. Like, really? All right. Let's, I want to see this. Yeah. It opened, didn't open Christmas Day or something? Right in the middle of where everybody's pushing the Oscar heavy stuff. Of course. And it just didn't, yeah, it didn't pan out really. Yeah. Went under. Sorry. And that's one of the things I hate. Yeah. I hate when trailers mislead the tone and everything. Like, I think that was part of the problems that it took a while for everybody to come around with something like the Truman Show. Where it's like, ah, it's a Jim Carrey comedy. This is going to be great. And then there's so much more to it than they could have possibly explained in two and a half minutes. Yeah. Exactly. And so people are like, what the hell is this? And now it's appreciated, especially now more than ever, you know, as a grander statement about like, yeah, that's kind of the way we're going with everybody watching everybody else 24 hours a day. That's exactly right. And everybody having a camera on them. We still have like staples. So we have the Melissa McCarthy movies. Oh, yeah. The Tyler Perry, I guess. Medea hasn't been around recently. That's a shame. No. Where she been? But, you know, like. Is it a shame? I think so. I love those movies. Um, so yeah, we still have those like, because even back in the 90s that like Jim Carrey owned the 90s, basically, you know. I'm glad that we still have our consistent, even Michael Bay with Transformers. It's like you still have those little staples to get you through the year. Now with Star Wars, that's going to be, you know, you can rely on a Star Wars movie every year, you know. Yeah. Three in 18 months, which everyone's way excited about. Yeah. It's going to be intense. Are you? Well, let me ask you because you're sitting here. Yeah. Are you one of those people who cried at the Star Wars stuff? I don't know if you're a Star Wars guy or not. Yeah. I like Star Wars. I don't love it. I like it a lot. No, actually, no, I love it. I love it. It's great. It's great. It's just fun. I love it. Hmm. Um, yeah. A little at the end with Han Solo. Yeah, that's great. Of course. Yeah, who did that? Did you squirt a few tears to get a little dusty? I did, yeah. Oh, okay. I mean, nostalgia, that's our big thing right now. Oh, for sure. Let's tap into that, you know. And that worked. That hit a huge nostalgia bone because that's, you know, from the set. We haven't seen a good Star Wars movie in theaters since the 80s. Yeah. So people, you know, that's pretty cool. Oh, yeah. That's why everyone's looking forward to that. See, my, as far as talking about like mainstream stuff, my fear was that, especially when it comes to particularly the insane success of Jurassic World, I thought, I hope like the way Avatar kicked off 3D, like it had insane success and then it's like, everything's going to be in 3D. Yeah. Now, Jurassic World, it's like, oh, good. We can resurrect and breathe new life into all our old franchises and just start them up again. And I'm like, I hope that doesn't happen because not everything deserves. No, no, it doesn't. Fresh. But it will. Yeah, I know. Even for like, they're talking about two more Jurassic movies and I'm like, and I love Jurassic World. I had a lot of fun with that movie. I really, really enjoyed it. But it's like, okay, twice you were able to get away with making good movies where people are trapped in a park where dinosaurs are loose. You guys can't ring this bell. A third time. So the sequel can involve people being trapped in a park because it's going to be more of the same. But they'll do it and they'll try. They'll try. I'm I wouldn't be surprised if we get like a Home Alone remake with Macaulay Culkin as the dad now and he leaves his son at home. You know, like it like a Girl Meets World thing. Yeah, it's changing the cycle now. Girl Meets World is the perfect example because Boy Meets World is my favorite show of all time. Really? Best show. I grew up by, Corey Matthews is the reason I am the man I am today. It's a bold statement. That's a true statement. That's it right there. But so when that show came out, I remember being so stoked. And I think it's cute. I've actually watched a lot of episodes. I think it's good for kids because kids don't have shows that force them to be good people. Corey Matthews, Arnold from Hey Arnold. That was another dude who helped because, you know, those are guys who always do the right thing. Right now, kid shows, I feel old saying now kid shows. It's all about farting and pooping on each other. And you know, nothing wrong with that. But you know, but you're not wrong. You got to have some messages here and there. No, I agree. Yeah. Girl Meets World. It's like some pathos. It can be cleverly disguised. It can be. Yeah. Girl Meets World has their subtext isn't as there isn't really any subtext. It's all about just like, here's the message gang. Give to your friends and you'll get some good stuff back to you. Okay. So it's more like hitting you with a blunt object. It is. That's a moral. But in the background, you see the characters that you grew up and loved in the 90s. So I don't care. Bad acting, bad lines, like whatever. Eric Matthews is in the back. That's pretty cool. Like, who cares? It's like nostalgia wins. Yeah. Nostalgia will always win. Especially with the Boy Meets World in my heart. Yeah. So to wrap it around, yes, I like Han Solo at the end. I think that's good. Gotcha. Tear it up. Yeah. Why not? I'm curious about it just like everybody else's. I don't have massive expectations, but I'm interested. I'm not going to lie. I think it's okay. I want to see what's going to happen. Can I have to rewatch the old ones? Yeah, of course. I trust you. The original three. Mm-hmm. And see where it goes. Trust it. I think it's all good. I think like music too plays a huge part because that score, pretty good. Traditional. Yeah. Of course. And then even like with Quentin Tarantino's, you've seen the Hateful Eight. Oh. The composer for that guy did Good, Bad, and the Ugly. That's amazing. Yeah. Hasn't scored a movie in 40 years. 40 years. Oh my God. So that's going to have an impact. I love movies that have the soundtracks impacted a lot. Yeah. I'm excited too because in light of his Hateful Eight panel, he says, I don't think you could be considered a Western director unless you've made three Westerns. So he said, I guess I'm doing at least one more. Yeah. That's what we want. Because I love... It took a few days, but Django Unchained and- Oh man. I'm not going to discreet, but it rocketed to my favorite Tarantino movie. Oh really? I just loved everything about it. Of all the- I mean, he doesn't have... People kind of put down Death Proof, but only because it's Tarantino competing with- I'll put down Death Proof. Yeah, you too? Sorry. It's Tarantino competing with Tarantino. Any other director would love to make a movie as cohesive as his worst movie, which let's say Death Proof is the argument. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm in competition with how great his movies are. If I could ask him one question, it would be, or I don't know if you know the answer to this, why he uses numbers with the films. If you've seen this one, it's like the eighth film by Quentin Tarantino. I'm like, oh, I've never seen that, I think, a director do. Oh yeah. Kill Bill had that too. It's like the fourth or whatever it was. It was the fourth. Yeah. It was the fifth. Yeah. It's like, yeah. It's like you asked for the fourth film by him. I'm like, oh, I don't need to know that. That is interesting. Yeah. I don't know that. It's cool to know that. I don't need to know that, but yeah. If you just put Quentin Tarantino or a film by Quentin Tarantino, everyone's going to go. You could just say Quentin. We can just drop the Tarantino now too. Has he gotten a Madonna and Bono status yet? Absolutely. Who else? Quentin. I don't know if you, yeah, I don't think, I can't name another Quentin. Sam Quentin, but that's not the same. No. I knew a kid named Quentin in elementary school. He didn't have a fingernail on his middle finger. Really? So I don't think anyone's going to get those two confused though. So just put- Probably not. Just put Quentin. I wish you could imagine though you're sitting in the theater hatefully. Yeah. And then the movie trailer comes on. Oh shit, Quentin with a- Oh man, how did he do that? With a fingernail. With a fingernail made a movie. What? Oh man. The guy learned how to work a camera though. Look at him. Look at him. Yeah. Dude's living the dream. Did you imagine? Oh man. I hope he's listening. Quentin, I went to Nate Mac elementary school in Henderson, Nevada. You didn't have a fingernail. You probably still don't. Okay. Somebody knows him and somebody's listening. He's going to know. Dude, someone shouted you out on this podcast. He's going to find out. That'd be amazing. Now he can go, he should go by Quentin now before it turns out. Quentin Tarantino starts using it full on. He's got the race against Tarantino. Yeah. Yeah. He's going to have to- He's not well established. It doesn't matter. Oh yeah. Nowadays, just say something funny on Twitter and you'll be bigger than him. He needs to call it now. Yeah. Just so that way it's taken so Quentin Tarantino can't come and ruin it. I'm a fan though. I am too. I'm so excited for that. I'm going to be, every Christmas and New Year's I go home to New Jersey. Oh cool. And I know that, hatefully, it's coming out limited release on Christmas day. I don't know how far I'm going to have to drive. Yeah. From Central Jersey. But you're doing it. Damn it, I'm going. Absolutely. I need to see it. Why would you? And I want to see it because I took, I love Django so much. I took my parents to see it two days after I saw it. Yeah. Because my dad likes Westerns. Of course. He was born in the 40s. He grew up and that was what was on TV and the movies that were out. And I was just like, not only is this a great Western, this is just a great movie. Just trust me. Period. And I knew my mom would like it as well because I was like, Christoph Waltz is so great. Yeah. You have to see this movie. You guys are going to love this movie. And they did. I went to talk to a couple weeks ago. I'm like, hateful eight. It's happening at Christmas. We're going to have to go somewhere and go see this movie. Cool. I'm so excited. I'm excited too. I'm more excited for that than Star Wars. So blasphemy I know. I am too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Just because I'm a Quentin fan way more than a Star Wars fan. Quentin Tarantino fan or Quentin the Fingernail fan? Just so he's clear. That guy played a big part in my life. Yeah. For three great years. So you're a big fan of both Quintins. Yeah. The two Quintins. Mm-hmm. Both Quintins. Wow. What a great name for a movie. I'm going to put a link to his channel here. Oh yeah. We better head out. Okay. So, Larry Rodriguez. Once again, I'm going to put colorless. Well, I'll put a link to his channel in the Kate58 post. Go to chrisabala.com. Thank you. You guys can check out his shorts. Again, colorless and the Hanging Fellow. And I'm throwing a blank on what the third one was. The invention that changed the nation. That was it. Yeah. Which I have seen them all. And that one, for some reason, it didn't pop out. Not saying anything against it. Oh no. I just totally blanked on that one. I will put those links again, Kate58post at chrisabala.com. And you got any social media you want to plug? Any good things like that? No. Just those ones. Just focusing on the YouTube stuff right now. And yeah, we're going to have some crazy good stuff coming out soon. More to come, everybody. The shorts that are on there are an appetizer. If you don't like it, hang in there. We're going to get better. It's only going to get better. Only up from here. The main course will redeem. Yep. No, we're going to be great. 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