2012 end-of-age discussion with Mayan calendar analysis

I will walk him with the devil one day Handed me a cigarette and said it's okay To interrupt this broadcast, bring you this important bulletin from the United Press. Welcome to the Devils in the Details radio show live on skidrowstudios.com. Here's your hosts, Wynne Russell and Nestor Rodriguez. Today we share the end of an age. Like the sun's glint at the dawn of a great new cycle, we human beings keep striding and feeling, moving our way through the last plane in the evolution of consciousness. And I welcome you. All right, enough of that. Welcome to the historic broadcast that is the 122112 edition of the Devils in the Details radio show. My name is Wynne Russell and I thank you for risking your life today by staying close to those electronic devices. So I appreciate that. My regular co-host Nestor Rodriguez is not in the studio today. He's working on a few things for us in New York City and will be joining us later in the hour. He's also going to be sharing his personal visit to the Mayan ruins of Chichen Itza. So that should be very good. On the second half of this show, we'll be discussing the Mayan calendar as taught by the amazing Mr. Ian Lundgold of mayanmagics.com. That's mayanmagics.com. And nothing could be more appropriate for the historic broadcast, this 122112 broadcast, than the Mayan calendar by the way of Mr. Ian Lundgold. You can call into the show at 1-800-893-9222. Or watch us live at ustream.com by searching for Skid Row Studios. Now, sitting in Nestor's chair today, we have our favorite funny man, an avid action figure collector, the incomparable Mr. Sal Rodriguez. Thank you, Wym. You know, you're not supposed to tell people I'm an action figure collector because it is quite embarrassing. It's not embarrassing. Yeah. By the way, that was a very dramatic intro. I think you're going to have people panic. Was it bad? It's going to be like War of the Worlds in Orson Welles. People are going to be panicking and running to their local authorities. I hope not. I hope not. Well, so far, we are experiencing, we are in the middle of 122112. And have you experienced anything different? Is today different than yesterday? How do you feel? You know, I noticed the last couple of days possibly shifting into this. I noticed my cats have been a little hungrier. Hungrier? Yeah, my cats have been a little hungrier than normal. So maybe they're experiencing some sort of shift. Personally, not yet. A shift in hunger? Yeah. Okay. Well, let's go to a clip that we have from Nestor. Since Nestor isn't joining us today, he is going to join us via this clip. And what he did was ask people about how they felt about 2012. So it's on the streets of New York. So let's just jump right into the clip. Here's Nestor. Downtown New York City, Little West 12th Street at the Cielo Nightclub. And I'm just interviewing a couple of cats about the end of the world. We got my man Will. Will Font, comedian extraordinaire. Will, what do you think about December 21st and the end of the world? I think it's actually great because I'm actually not only am I going to be partying, but I'm going to go out with all the looters. Even though the world is going to end, I still need a 60 inch TV for my living room. So hold on a second. So you're saying by tomorrow, the 21st, that people are actually going to leave because they're afraid? While everybody is evacuated in the city, I'm going to be in your apartment with a 60 inch TV enjoying all the cable television I can. Hold on a second. You're going to be in my apartment? Anybody's apartment is going to leave it vacant. I don't believe the world is going to end, but if it's going to end, I'm going to enjoy your shit. We got my man Moses, DJ extraordinaire. What's good? What's good, man? It's been a minute. So what did you actually think about the world ending or not? Do you believe it? Yes and no. I believe it based on, you know, the Mayan calendar. They matched it up kind of like everything that's gone on to now has been like pretty much to the T. So you've been following the Mayan calendar? Yeah. So tell me a little bit about your knowledge and your experience of the Mayan calendar. Like, for instance, do you know that the Mayan calendar actually has 260 days? Yeah, I did. Did you know that the actual end of the world as the Mayans know it has to do with a shift and a different change? So like one particular age or calendar is ending and a new one is starting? Exactly. Is that what you believe? Yep. So that's it. So what do you think about the end of the world tomorrow, December 21st, the Mayan calendar? That's not happening. Why? You just don't believe? No, it's not that. Well, I don't believe it. Well, not that I don't believe in it. But when it will happen, nobody going to know about it. That's what I believe in. So you're saying like there's no way to plan it? Exactly. But like you do believe that the end of the world is going to come? Not tomorrow. Why? Because you got too many bills due or something? End of the world episode. We're new. Our city interviews some people randomly to find out what they think of the end of the world. We're here with Rosemary Rodriguez. What do you think about the end of the world? I think people always like to live in fear and they think they know everything. Yeah. But what do you think about the fact that there's a Mayan calendar? People have calculated that tomorrow, the 21st is the end of that calendar and that the world is coming to an end. I think the Mayans are just another. Another group of human beings who make mistakes and think they can control their future and predict things. And we can't. We're all powerless. Really? That's correct. But I mean, the Mayans were some of the most advanced civilization. They were pretty advanced astronomers. They cultivated food based on, you know, the moon and the way the planets were aligned. And so they predicted weather so they can properly grow and cultivate their crops. What do you think about that? I mean, all through periods of history, I think the Mayans were profound and I think they discovered and were knowledgeable. A lot of things that were in their present right in front of them. But again, I don't think that I think that we have to learn how to communicate love and not fear. Let's say it does happen and it's the end of the road. Do you feel that you have accomplished everything that you were meant to do here on this planet? If it were the end of the world tomorrow and I died, then yes, I would have accomplished everything I was supposed to accomplish. Awesome. Thank you. All right, Nestor, thank you very much. What do you think about that, Sal? I think that that was... How do you like that? I think that was nice of Nestor to give the bulk of the airtime to his wife. Well, hey, that was a random person giving her opinion about 2012. She was named Rodriguez? Yes. How many Rodriguez's are there on the air right now? There was her, there was Nestor, there's me. There's too many Rodriguez's. There are plenty, but those were very interesting opinions about 2012. What it does is kind of show you that the consensus or the major thought out there is that nothing is going to occur today or nothing is going to happen. Driving into the studio today, I looked around at everyone standing on the street, crossing the street, going about their daily business, the jewelers, the police. Everybody's acting like everything is completely normal. That's true. And everything seems normal. But if you get into the discussion that is the prophecy, theory, or media hoax that was built up around this whole 2012 hype. So who actually created the hype around 2012? I mean, it certainly wasn't the Mayans. It was Discovery Channel, History Channel, National Geographic, movie companies. They're the ones who actually created this apocalyptic version because the Mayans never predicted a doomsday on any clock. So that is the misconception in the media that causes all of this bizarre speculation that the world was going to end today. But it certainly wasn't. But let's talk about some of those points, the hype, hoax, or real points to 2012. And let's start with the planet Nibiru. Are you familiar with the potential theories that were planet Nibiru or planet X? No. Well, a book was written by the name of the 12th planet by Zacharias Sitchin. And he actually started this whole Nibiru concept that an odd shaped planet was circling the sun in a very strange orbit. So a non-elliptical orbit. So like oblong shaped. And it came every 3600 years to complete the cycle and eventually was going to either come close to the planet Earth or slam directly into it. Wait, this planet is not a part of our solar system? Nibiru is not. Well, currently, no. We do not have any records of Nibiru. Oh, I see. Because its last appearance was before we started keeping track. 3600 years ago, I imagine, in this man's theory, that it would come back to us. Okay. And no Europeans had a knowledge of it. For example, you might have had the Mayans had a knowledge of it, but the European Galileo and people like him didn't have a knowledge of it. Well, I don't know if the Mayans had knowledge of Nibiru. No. The Mayans had knowledge of Nibiru. But the, I mean, the theory goes that if a planet is going to hit us, that we're going to have some sort of knowledge of it or, you know, some sort of scientific evidence of something approaching us. So Nibiru, we're not going to spend a lot of time on. What do you think? Should we put that in the hoax? What do you think about Nibiru? Do you think it's possible that a planet would hit us without NASA telling us? Well, that's very interesting because this reminds me, it's sort of the Halley's Comet of planets. It could, yeah. Right? I mean, we haven't heard of this. It's like once every, right, 30, blue moon. Yeah. So where is it supposed to be or where is it theoretically at the moment? I couldn't tell you, but it certainly didn't strike us or come near us anytime soon. So Nibiru, let's put Nibiru in the hoax box. So there we go with Nibiru. We're going to throw Nibiru over there. We're not going to take any more time with that. We're not really sure if we can prove a planet X and we're putting that into the hoax pile because it didn't strike us and we're still here today. I looked up at the sun and I did not see. You didn't see Nibiru? I did not see anything behind the sun. So Nibiru is in the hoax box and that moves us to the next issue of the 2012 phenomenon, which is polar shifts. Hoax. Now, well, polar shifts are scientific. So time. Wait, please describe what you mean by a shift because obviously what you're talking about, we have the North Pole, we have the South Pole. Those are the poles and they would shift in what respect? The poles would actually shift and change places. So. So the pole shift would shift in a range of places. Meaning South would become North and North would become South. That is correct. Or a certain, you know, a level of, you know, a certain distance between. I mean, it doesn't have to be a complete. It can go anywhere in the middle. But a pole shifts are real and they have occurred in our history. But the. What? Oh, many, many years back. The problem with pole shifts and that was part of the apocalypse. Pardon me. The apocalyptic theories of 2012 was that this pole shift was going to occur in a very short period of time. And then that was what you saw on the movie 2012 when the continents were breaking apart. That would have been caused by something like a pole shift. Oh, God. In other words, if the pole shifted, let's say within a 10 minute timeframe, we're screwed. But if it takes 10, 20 years, we might be all right because we have gravity on our side. 10, 20 years, we'd even have a major problem. Oh, we would. Pole shifts usually occur over thousands of years. Oh, because all of the existing ice would all melt, which could create massive flooding then. It would cause in 20 years a pole shift. I believe that would be pretty significant. Okay. So we need like at least 100 year buffer zone, so to speak. Right. Well, 100 years, thousand years. Okay. Is what I want. So we're going to put this in the scientific basket. So polar shifts are real. But we're not going to worry about a polar shift today because we're obviously not experiencing that. Everything is okay. But I'm sorry. Are you saying that once upon a time, our North Pole was our South Pole and our South Pole was our North Pole once upon a time? Many, many years ago. And that is exactly how all the continents have actually shifted and been manipulated about on the planet. Yes, the poles have shifted and there is scientific evidence to that. And you should check into that. It's very interesting. But the reason why we're going to not worry about pole shifts, put them in the scientific basket. They can happen, but they'll only affect us if we live to be 15,000 years old. I'm eating organic now, so it's possible. It's possible. So pole shifts, we will put in the scientific bucket. We won't crinkle that one up. You didn't crinkle it. No. We have to pay attention to those and learn about pole shifts. And that moves us to the third part or a very important part or a significant part of today, which was the galactic alignments. Yes. Now, this is what freaks me out when I hear about things that may occur to our technology in the event of a galactic alignment, which then triggers, we're going to talk about the sun, right? Right. Okay. So when we talk about that, this is where I think, oh, this is possible. This isn't a Michael Bay film necessarily. Or even something that you could only theorize. This could potentially occur. They're very real and they are scientific. They're astronomical. So they appear in our skies for everyone to see. So they appear in plain sight. They occur many times throughout history. But recently, in the last few days, and the alignments surrounding 2012, the whole apocalypse. The whole apocalyptic theory occurred on 12-18-12. So on 12-18 at 936 universal time. That was 1.35 a.m. our time here in L.A. We experienced the first of the galactic alignments that we were experiencing at the end of this great Mayan cycle of 5,125 years. That cycle began August 13, 3,114 B.C. And today is the end of that 5,125 years or the great Mayan cycle. Now were these discovered independent of the Mayan calendar? So you're talking about a planetary alignment and you're talking about a Mayan calendar. They measured the alignments. So the Mayans were great astronomers that actually studied the stars and what they meant. But these alignments. So modern day physicists and astronomers are verifying what the ancients wrote about and knew. I would imagine so. Sure, if you look at the information. But the critical thing about the alignments is that we are experiencing or we're in the middle of experiencing two. And the second alignment was today, 12-21-12, 1730 universal time. And that was 930 a.m. our time today, this morning. We experienced the major. That's 930 Pacific. Pacific time here in L.A. That was the major of the two galactic alignments. So we are finished with them. I certainly didn't feel anything different from the galactic alignment. I know there were a lot of spiritual people who were in meditation and in deep thought during that process. But nothing was physically different. Did you experience anything different this morning around 930? I was. Actually, now that you mention it, I did awaken suddenly at 930. You were still asleep at 930? I'm a comedian, man. Let me tell you something. You're not getting ready for the show? Now that you mention it, it's strange that you mention this because at 930 today, I was awakened. All of a sudden, for no particular reason, there was nothing going on in my apartment. Not the gardener? No, it wasn't the gardener. It wasn't the mailman. It wasn't my girlfriend. It wasn't the cats. It was nothing. I was awakened. I looked around. I thought, I could sleep for a couple more hours. And so I went back to bed. But I was awakened at 930 this morning, possibly the planetary alignment. Very interesting. So maybe you have some sort of connection. That's very neat. So the alignments are real. I can't go through them. I can't go through the planets, because it would take forever to go through the actual planets that were aligned. But the alignment can be studied. And you can look at those planets and go on NASA.com. There's information all over the web on where to actually look up what planets were aligning. But they were very significant. And it was a very rare alignment. And the last time that this alignment occurred, there was a very powerful solar event in our sun. Are you talking about the solar flare? Are you talking about the solar flares of 1859? That's right. What do you know about the solar flares of 1859? Well, you can easily look this up online. But the solar storm of 1859, also called the Carrington event, a solar storm in 1859 during solar cycle 10. Now, there are people who are solar physicists. That term is new to me. Solar physicists. We've all heard of physicists, but people who just study the sun. Just study the sun. So this event of 1859 was observed and recorded by Richard C. Carrington, and therefore named after him. But basically, it involved evening light storm. So you essentially had daylight at night for a while. And you said this, and I know that this occurred around this rare alignment. Yeah, so that's what people are saying is that this planetary alignment happened at the same time as a solar flare event. And then people are predicting then that it's going to happen again. And it's much like the alignment that we experienced today. That's why I brought it up that there was a similarity in the planets that were actually aligned. Yes. And it affected the telegraph system of the time. So that's the thing is that, you know, this goes back to what I've said before, is that earthquakes don't kill people, buildings kill people. So in this instance, you had the technology then affected by these solar flares and the solar storm. Well, today, if that same solar storm happened, you're going to have a different effect. Okay, so a solar storm is a geomagnetic storm. So it's actually part of the sun that erupts out of the side, and it projects gases towards whatever direction it shoots out. Yes. In that instance of 1859, and prophetically the next instance directed towards the sun, because solar flares can go in any direction if it's directed toward the sun or the Earth as it was in 1859, that's when you're in trouble. So that's what people are predicting. So the planetary alignment affects the solar flares, the solar flares affecting life on Earth, and particularly our current technology. Right. So if we were to get hit by something like a solar flare, it would have to be a large flare in order for it to do any major damage. So they rate these flares on a letter scale. And the most dangerous would be the X-class flare. And we have experienced many X-class flares this year, including an X-54 in March. In July, we had X-1 and an X-14. In October of this year, we had an X-18. So they are common. But to be clear, though, none of those flares were directed at the Earth. These flares actually hit the Earth. They did. Right. And they did various things to our communication satellites and knocked cells off. It was in the news. And you could actually research that if you go back and search. Oh, well, they're talking about a big solar flare directed not even necessarily at the Earth then in this respect, knocking out completely the satellite communications. Right. If it's big enough. Yes. So there was a large solar flare in 2003. And that was the great solar flare of 2003. It was an X-28. So if that X-28, and that did not hit us. That was aimed away from the Earth. But had that X-28 hit us, that would have been this apocalyptic solar flare that was predicted today. What's interesting about solar flares and 2012, another coincidence, is that the Mayans also predicted an occurrence in the sun. Something occurring in the Father's sun, as they put it. Well, they were sun worshipers. They literally worshiped the sun, didn't they? Well, they studied the sun. And they believed that at the end of the great cycle, there would be some sort of solar flare. And at the end of the great cycle, there would be some sort of occurrence in the sun. So theorists ran away with that with these solar flares. But it's certainly possible. What do you think? I mean, a solar flare going to hit us one day and kill all the electricity, the money? Because it's all controlled by computers. It's going to. Water. If a solar flare occurs, it affects our massive communication advice, the massive global grid, as we call it. When that grid is toppled, some people are theorizing that people in urban areas, within a 10-year period, after a cataclysmic event like that, 9 out of 10 people will be dead. Easily. Dead. But very quickly in the areas we live in. Yeah, the urban areas. So theoretically then, somebody out in the rural areas, maybe the Amish, for tribal people out in the rainforest, would not really be affected. If they're prepared. And it makes, you know, solar flares, alignments, potentially these could be apocalyptic. So if you prepare for a solar flare. If you prepare for something like a solar storm or an earthquake, you don't really know if you're ever going to need that preparation. So as long as you're prepared, somebody anywhere could certainly survive. But in the cities, with mass population, we are in trouble. And that is within hours of that power grid going down. Because it's not going back up in an hour. Yeah. That's going to go back up. They have to rebuild the transformers, put them up, because they're going to be destroyed. So if that occurred, it would be Black Friday time. Every day. Every day would be Black Friday at Walmart. That's what it would be. It would be really devastating. So those are just the, you know, the surface of 2012. Those are the things we've learned about for many years. We've seen all the shows on History Channel hyping these things up, that potentially these things were going to happen to us today. Now, we're certainly not out of the water with solar flares or, you know, the other things that we're talking about today. In other words, if we make it through today, it's not like, oh, we don't have to worry about it now. Well, you can hope that. But I certainly don't think that with things like solar flares or earthquakes, you know, things that are of nature, they can always occur. So that is real. Solar flare is real. Keep that in the scientific box. Well, solar flares are real. That's scientific. Learn about... Nibiru. Nibiru is... Yeah. That was a hoax. That was a hoax. Okay, that's hoax. Okay, the polar shifts is scientific. Could be real. That's correct. Okay, so far... But it would occur over a long period of time. And what were the options again? Either hoax, scientific, or prophecy? That's correct. We'll go with those. Okay, so far, none of the categories or none of the subjects have gone into prophecy yet. I don't see a prophecy except for the next topic, which is what we're going to talk about. Yes. Which is the interpretation of the Mayan calendar. Now, we're certainly not going to do this justice, but I would like to give it a try. And this is an interpretation of the Mayan calendar by Dr. Carl Kaliman. That's Kaliman, C-A-L-L-E-M-A-N.com, and Ian Lundgold. And that's Mayanmagix.com, Mayan, M-A-J-I-X.com. And what they teach is the theory of consciousness and calendars, and how the calendar is directly related to our consciousness. So let me ask you a question. This is the Mayan calendar, not our Gregorian calendar with January, February, March. No, not the Gregorian calendar, not the Mayan calendar. Let me ask you a question. Does it make sense if I ask you, is human consciousness rooted or centered on a calendar? Is that the center of our consciousness, our calendar? Well, this is where you would get into conspiracies, controversies, or myths and legends. And that is, the astrologers have been talking for years about our lives being a part of and affected by planets, planetary alignments, the stars. So now when you bring it to this level of the Mayan calendar, and how the Mayan calendar is one with our consciousness, we live within that, or it predicts our consciousness. Well, is that another realm of astrology, or just a different type of astrology? The interpretations of the Mayan calendar are quite astral. That's the answer to your question. Yeah, because the calendar coincides with the planets, right? The calendar coincides with periods of time. And time goes by planets, right? Only physical calendars operate by using the planets. And we'll talk about that in a second. But the center of human consciousness is indeed our calendar system. Whatever system you live under, that is in fact your consciousness. And does that make sense? Well, in our world that we live in today, you know, as a member of this world, that's a linear calendar. There's a line on this end going straight out to the right, a line on that end, right? It's one long line, whereas a calendar like this is a circular calendar. No. Okay. Let me explain the calendars. Okay, the Gregorian calendar is the calendar that we operate under. Okay, that is our global calendar. That was installed by Pope Gregory in 1880. In 1582. So that was when the Spaniards conquered everybody and got rid of all of these ancient calendars, you know, the personal calendars that these civilizations used and installed the, you know, Gregorian calendar. They said, okay, this is what time it is. Which is based on the death and birth of Jesus, right? No, it is based on the physical. It's a 365 and a quarter day calendar. And that is based on the physical movement of our earth around the sun. So you're saying that the Gregorian calendar didn't start at zero based on the death or resurrection of Jesus? It starts at zero because they started it at zero. And had nothing to do with, but these, you're talking about... We're not talking about Jesus. But you're talking about members of the church. Yeah, no, no, no. The members of the church started it based on the belief in Jesus, right? The Pope Gregory installed the Gregorian calendar, named it after himself and said, this is what time it is. This is the date. Okay, having nothing to do with birth or resurrection of Jesus at all. So in other words, he didn't use any religious rules. Any religious reasons to employ that. I can't, he was the Pope. Of course he instilled religious regions in installing the calendar. Of course. The point is this, is that our calendar is based on physical. Okay, physical movements of physical objects. 365 days and a quarter days. That is the focus of our consciousness. Okay, physical. We only... We only think on the physical plane of consciousness. Does that make sense? Yeah, it's based on dates and the dates correspond with the movement of the planets. Sure. Okay, so that is what our world civilization has turned into after 1582. And what calendars were they getting rid of? What were they hiding? What were they changing from? That's the question. But you go beyond, you can go even deeper from a calendar. You're talking about our consciousness being coincided or one with the calendar. And then you can go a little further. And then you can go a little further and say it coincides with the clock. So the calendar creates the clock as well. That's correct. Well, these calendars were in fact clocks. All calendars are clocks. They're taking time. But it's a larger clock. It didn't calculate... They're keeping track of time. Does it go down to minutes and seconds though? The Mayan calendar? Yes. The Mayan calendar speaks in tunes. So it's in tunes. It's different than what you understand. Or what we understand from on the Gregorian calendar. So let's learn a little bit about the Mayan calendars. And what... Carl Kalimann and Ian Lundgol discovered while they were trying to interpret or decode what the Mayan calendar was trying to tell us. So what was the plan? So they discovered that they did in fact have three calendars. So the Mayan culture had 17 calendars. We're going to talk about three. Three that they actually based their consciousness on. So we're going to talk about the Zolkin, the tune, the Mayan calendar. The tune and the hab of the Mayan calendars. And the Zolkin was a 260-day calendar. That was their personal or their astrological calendar. The tune was a 360-day calendar or the divine or prophetic calendar. And the hab was a 365 and a quarter day calendar with eight... Within eight seconds of accuracy. And that was long before Swiss watchmakers. So imagine that. So in going through these three calendars, the hab, which is like ours based on physical... So one of their calendars is like our calendar now. Yes. And it was based on the rotation of the planets around the sun. It was based on physical. But they didn't base their consciousness on this calendar. Okay. The only reason they used this calendar was for bookkeeping and was for paying taxes. They were an agrarian society. So they used this for the harvest and they used this to pay taxes to operate businesses. Yes. So that is basically how we use our Gregorian calendar also to run our banking systems. Or any given appointment. Well, in a system where the consciousness is only based on physical. Yes. We are only judged by the result of the products that we produce. Sure. Do you understand that? Physical products. So how many widgets do you create a day? How many jokes do you say a day? You know, how many shows can you do a day? That is what we're judged on in a physical consciousness. Yeah. So we're judged on based on our calendar. So let's look at the Zolkine. Now, on the front of the Zolkine, the 260-day calendar, they're all like gears and they all work interchangeable. And the Zolkine, on the face of it, the Mayans have placed the 13 intentions of creation. So the 13 intentions of creation interact with the 20 aspects on the tune. So on the tune, on the face of it, there are 20 aspects. There are 20 aspects of creation. The Mayans believe that there were 13 intentions and 20 aspects to the levels of human consciousness or the evolution of human consciousness. Now, I'd be curious to know if these calendars and the wisdom thereof were a part of the elite of the Mayas, a part of the priest of the Mayas, or every citizen went along with this? Every citizen went along with these calendars, for sure. These weren't the elite calendars, by any measure. Okay. So the guy putting up bricks had an awareness of the evolution of consciousness. His name and purpose were picked from these calendars. That is correct. Okay. So the Zolkine with its 13 intentions, the tune with its 20 intentions, the tune with the 360-day was the larger of the wheel. The Zolkine was smaller and the hob was then 365 days. So it's the biggest. But we don't worry about the hob because it's only the bookkeeping calendar. But that giant wheel that we see referred to as the Mayan calendar is only one of the calendars. That's a depiction of a ... So yes, so that has all the intentions going around it and the carvings. So when the Zolkine moves, it actually moves all three and it matches on a day. So you get an intention and you get an aspect for every day of creation, every day of life. And when you were a Mayan, that was your name and that was what you were called. And that was what you did in life. That was your purpose because that was what evolution was telling you. That was what your conscious was telling you. That is your purpose. That is your structure. That is what you intend to do in life based on the day and the energies of which you were born. What do you think about that? So much like our birth dates or our astrological signs, they went even deeper than that and used it as not only their identity. But as their spiritual guide or their conscious guide in a way. Well, my girlfriend practices something called evolutionary astrology, which is not merely the signs that we're born under and all that, but how certain people based on their astrological chart have certain gifts or certain curses, if you will. And then that will then affect the way that they make choices, which will then affect the things that they do with their lives. Okay. Well, the Zolkine and the tune, when they're rotated, the five elements of the Zolkine and the tune, 52 revolutions and the teeth match back up. And that is a cycle of these two calendars in conjunction with each other. So 52 turns and they match back up. And at 52 revolutions was in the Mayan culture where you became an elder. Now, wait, does this 52 doesn't have anything to do or has any relationship with our 52 weeks of our calendar? The 52 revolutions? Yes. I believe that was 52 years. Okay. So that was not 52 weeks. No relationship. It was 52 tune. But I believe you were around the age of 52. And that certainly would be something to look into. But the 52... I mean, anytime I hear the number, obviously, if I hear seven, 52, 12, I'm going to wonder if there was a relationship with our calendar, which, you know, seven, 52 weeks, 12 months, et cetera. Right. And what we're going to get to next is quite mathematical. And we're going to take a look at how they decoded it using math. But the elders of the Mayan were the teachers. And they had the ability to then express their calendars and their writings. Before they were 52, they couldn't teach anybody or teach anybody about this. So it could be potentially why we don't know a lot about it, because maybe a lot of these people didn't live to be 52. Well, I think one of the reasons we don't know a lot about it, according to an interview I saw with a Mayan elder, present day Mayan elder, is that... Yeah. ...a lot of their artifacts were destroyed by the Spaniards and the Europeans. The Europeans... On purpose. That's right. ...intentionally destroyed a lot of their artifacts, culture, temples, anything that they would have seen as pagan, you know, because this was the Catholic church. Right. So they intentionally destroyed a lot of their history. So the present day Mayan, only through word of mouth would they probably even have a knowledge of a lot of this. Right. Well, they were afraid. I believe it was fear. Fear always drives everything. And when it comes to conquering, it was fear of what these calendars represented. So if they believed in something different than what they, you know, they wanted them to believe in, they couldn't have control. They couldn't have control of their conscience. When I read history, it gives me actually a degree of shame having Spanish blood in me. It shouldn't. You just got, you know, learn the right side of history and you have nothing to worry about. So the, this leads us into the interpretation of what the Mayan calendars actually meant. So Ian Lundgren and Colleyman actually looked at the calendars and said, okay, we understand what the hob represents, the physical calendar. And we know what the other two, we know that the, the, there are 260 days and 360 days, but what do they represent? They had to figure that out because it wasn't based on physical. So what was it? And what they discovered with mathematics was that, that it was the evolution, the evolutionary plane. The evolution of human consciousness or the evolution of life. And the way they discovered that was using a, an ancient Mayan ruin called the stone of Koba and the stone of Koba. Was it an Indiana Jones movie? I think it might've been, but the stone of Koba was found in the ground. So they lifted it up and on the face there were nine carvings and those nine carvings were time periods in tune. Okay. So in Mayan tune, they were carved. So what the Colleyman did was take this. These nine numbers and linked it up with the nine levels of the Mayan pyramid. Now there are nine or five levels in every Mayan pyramid. And the, it made sense that these nine periods in time mean, you know, may essentially line up with the nine levels in the pyramid. So they did this and mathematically they came up with this chart. And what they did was they lined the stone of Koba or the, the time periods in tune with the right side of the nine stone. And they put the nine step level pyramid. And on the very bottom, they put the intentions. So we have the 13 intentions and they break that into days and night cycles. So day and night periods. There are seven days and six nights to the elements of creation. Okay. So in the, in the, in the way, in the length that it took for the, you know, the big bang to occur to, to present day. So that is something that occurred in each one of these, yeah, day and night cycles. So the believers of this and the believers of the Bible can at least agree on something. They, you know what, everything is charted on this. So this is not something to believe in. And that's, that's an interesting thing to remember. The Mr. Lundgold states that this is nothing to believe in everything. This decoding, they're decoding. He says, don't believe in him and don't believe in the decoding. But it's. You don't have to live by it, but it's, it's imperative that you know this information and that you learn this and look at this and look at what they've discovered by using the Mayans, you know, information, ancestry and mathematics. It's incredible. So on each level they have a name and of course Kalima named them, but they, they read as follows. And I urge you to look at this cause it's, it's, it's incredible, but we have the cellular stage, the mammalian stage, the familiar stage, the tribal stage, the cultural stage, the national stage, the planetary galactic stage and universal stage and universal being the final stage, which is the stage we're actually in now. Now, these are various stages of human consciousness as determined by the time periods from the stone of Koba. And it's all done mathematically. And I wish I could get into the math with you, but we certainly don't have that time. I don't wish you can get into the math with me. Now, so the, uh, the, the evolution of human consciousness as mapped out by Kalima and Lungo makes tons of sense to me. But here's the question though. So when you mentioned the word consciousness, what does that actually mean? Does that mean we're going to develop a telepathy? We're going to be able to, uh, abandon war. I mean, what does that mean when humans or the earth in general, any living sentient being has a growth in consciousness? Your consciousness is your time and your place. So it's not ESP. It's not reading minds. It's your specific point of view as a human being. So our consciousness is determined by our place and our, our time. And when you put that as a, as a cross, they intersect and where they intersect is your point of view. Okay. And that point of view isn't, is in essence, you're conscious. Okay. So the, the, uh, Lungo describes it as your conscious is, is being aware that you are aware. So if you're ever looking at a landscape or something beautiful and you catch yourself looking at it and you say, wow, you know, that's, that's beautiful. That's you being aware that you're aware. I think in some ancient spiritual traditions, possibly Buddhism or Hinduism, they call that observing the observer. Okay. Uh, that is experiencing your consciousness. That's being in the time and place. And having a point of view that is only your own. Well, I guess that would be also a separation between consciousness and the brain. I think many people in our culture may associate the brain with consciousness, implying that without a brain, there would be no consciousness. I believe the brain is the machine that controls, you know, that, that is consciousness. The brain is the machine that, that organizes it all. You know, the brain without the brain. So like a PBX operator, like an old fashioned PBX operator then essentially, right? Plugging the things in where it's all supposed to be. But what's interesting is that by, by the interpretation of this calendar, that evolution was occurring long before there was a, was a brain and it was always occurring. And, uh, just one more quick thing about the calendar, uh, on the very bottom, the six and the seven days and six nights were very long in the very beginning. So they, they go there, they are shorter as it, as it rises to the top. So as the, the points in our evolutionary world, the points that we're going to be looking at, our evolutionary process increase. So as the speed increases and the pyramid, as we move up the pyramid, the length of time that it takes to go from day to night decreases and it speeds up. So where it took in, in the big, back in the big bang, 16.4 billion years ago, it took 1.26 billion years for every day and night cycle during that evolutionary process. Now, So a day, a day is not 24 hours as we know it. No, it was, it was, uh, 16, uh, no, pardon me, 1.26 billion years, you know, for each day and night cycle in the first level. So look at this. I just want to be clear when you say things like days, I just want to make sure we're not talking about the 24 hour day as we know it. It is amazing information. Uh, I want you to check this out. Uh, go to mayanmagics.com, study, uh, Mr. Ian Lundgold's interpretation of it. Go to kaliman.com, C-A-L-L-E-M-A-N.com. Uh, that's it. K-A-L-L-E-M-A-N.com. I urge you to look at what they found about, uh, in their interpretation of the Mayan calendar, where they actually, uh, have discovered that they were tracking human evolution and human's consciousness. And I, and I think I, I think I believe it. I think I really, uh, uh, understand that, uh, if we look at that as a chart of where our consciousness needs to be, you know, you can kind of put yourself in the place and say, well, am I, am I on the right track? Am I on the right track? Am I on the right track? Am I on the national level? Am I on the planetary level? Where am I in my consciousness development? And you can almost pinpoint it. Um, is there a racial level? Well, you'd have to find that for yourself. That would probably be the national level. You'd have to find that for yourself. So that is our information about the Mayan calendar. Uh, Mr. Ian Lundgold and, uh, I thank you very much. And Dr. Carl Kaliman, thank you for that information. Sal, give me your, give me your impression on, uh, the Mayan calendar consciousness evolution. What do you think? Well, I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. I like it. we understand that. Well, I barely have a grasp of any of those things. Well, it's very interesting, the study of human consciousness, the study of evolution. And when I say evolution, I mean the evolution of consciousness because all the religions appear on this chart. So it's all been graphed out by the Mayans thousands of years ago. And it's there for you to learn about and look and have that change your life because it really will. Well, they've been talking about, and this is people who would only fall under the category of the New Agers. The New Agers have been talking about a shift in consciousness. I don't know if they necessarily related it to the Mayan calendar, but they've been talking about a shift in consciousness. And that's why people go meditate at the pyramids. They go meditate in Sedona. They wanna be a part of whatever this shift of consciousness is gonna be and everything that it would imply. How will this affect me? How will the shift in consciousness affect me and my spiritual growth or my spiritual development? I hope it affects you greatly. And I hope it affects your life in positive ways. In ways that you excel and accept your conscious reality in the form of being a better person. I mean, what do you think? I mean, it's way New Agey. I understand what we're talking about today is very New Agey, but it's topical and it's 1221. So this is what we should be talking about. Well, you know what? This would be quite necessary. If there were a cataclysmic event, simultaneously there were evolution in consciousness. The evolution in consciousness will be required for us as a species to handle the cataclysmic event. I believe you're right. So in other words, greater tragedy, greater development and evolution. Otherwise, if we were just the same consciousness during the tragedy, during the catastrophe, we're definitely screwed. And nine out of 10 people in urban areas dying, just like the experts have said. Whereas if we can grow in consciousness, develop in consciousness, we'll theoretically be able to handle whatever the universe is throwing at us. Well, now I feel accomplished because now you are learning something and you have learned something about humans. You have learned something about humans. You have learned something about humans. You have learned something about humans. You have learned something about humans. You have learned something about humans. And you're right on track. So keep looking into it. Learn about the mind calendar. And build your consciousness to the best person you can be. Now, we're going to have a little fun now. I don't know what this is going to sound like. But we had a correction to last week's show. What? Yeah. So what we're going to do is go ahead and get right into it. Time to set the record straight. Time to set the record straight. Time to set the record straight. Time to set the record straight. Time to set the record straight. Time to set the record straight. Time to set the record straight. It's time to set the record straight here on the Devils in the Details radio show. Harold Coates out of La Quinta, California writes, Dear Wime, on your show regarding Obama's long-form birth certificate, you mentioned that President Obama's lawyers received the certificate in an envelope. You then went on to say he was furnished the certificate electronically. So what is it, Wime? Paper or electronic? Well, in reverse. During the show, I did leave that issue a bit confused. So, Carol, here's your answer. President Obama's birth certificate was taken from microfilm, photographed, and the negative digitally scanned. That scan was then electronically transmitted via email to Obama's lawyers. So they gave it to the lawyers via email. So that's it in a nutshell. I hope that clears up any confusion you had. But that still doesn't get the birth certificate. It's completely off the hook. Remember, the scanned layers were clearly tampered with and the father's name was left blank. So thank you, Carol. And if you hear anything on the show that you'd like to correct, please post your comments to our Devils in the Details show Facebook page and your correction just might make it onto the show. I like that Devils in the... What did I say? Time to set the record straight. Time to set the... I like that. So from the Devils in the Details, thank you, Carol Coates of La Quinta, California, for setting the record straight. Time to set the record straight. Time to set the record straight. Time to set the record straight. Time to set the record straight. Time to set the record straight. Time to set the record straight. Time to set the record straight. Time to set the record straight. All right. Now we have Nestor joining us on the phone from New York City. Nestor Rodriguez, are you there, buddy? Yo, what's up, man? How you doing? How's it going, man? 2012. What's happening in New York? Do you have any updates? Is any apocalyptic things occurring? Hello, Nestor. Well, it's going to happen there first. The three hours ahead. Any catastrophes are going to happen there first. Right. Well, it's already started to happen. There's a lot of traffic. People are dying on the street. People are just like in the middle of the street, just like falling down. Shit is crazy. Are there any zombies yet? For three hours, that'll happen to you guys. Are there any zombies yet? No zombies, man. They're all fucking laying flat on the floor. They're all gone, man. People are dying. You know, it's crazy. So, Nestor, in... Talking about this whole 2012, these apocalyptic theories, how do you feel about the few things we've been discussing today? The Nibiru, the solar flares, the alignments. Where do you stand on any of that personally? How do you feel? Well, I think that, you know, all of the information that you gave us is amazing. It's right on, very intelligent, and very well researched. I saw asked a question a little while ago about... How is his... Consciousness going to be evolved or something like that? I forgot what the exact question was, but I wanted to say that in order to be aware of one's conscious evolution, you first got to be conscious. And I think that's the issue. A lot of people are zombies already. Most people are not conscious of where they are and what their place is in relationship to the world and each other. You're right. So, you know, when there's a shift of consciousness, that only applies to those who are actually... Conscious. You're absolutely right. That's right. And too many people are conscious. People are too caught up listening to, you know, the new version of the operating system for their iPhone, for this, for that. No one's really conscious. I mean, I shouldn't say no one, but a lot of people, a lot of people in the human race are not conscious. We move further and further and further away from consciousness. So if you go all the way back to the ancients, those people were really conscious and they were connected and they were in harmony to what was going on in the world. In their world. In the universe. Based on the use of the calendars like what we described. Because they're used in many cultures. Exactly. So what happened to us, Nestor, as a society, as a civilization? Why do we allow this calendar to control the center of our consciousness? And why do we just walk around with phones or, you know, what's going on? That's what I think. I don't think that the calendar controls the center of our consciousness. Again, you got to go back to... You have to be conscious first. To be... In tune with that calendar per se. You know what I mean? Or in tune with anything. With the universal forces or whatever. There's a lot of energies out here that, you know, things happen. Things happen, you know? Right. And you're either aware of them or you're not. I do believe that our... I do believe that thought, that our consciousness is based in the calendar or in time. Because I see very little, you know... Spirituality around Christmas time, around the holidays. What I see is Black Friday and shopping and a lot of things being bought for a lot of, you know, a lot of people. So I don't really see it being a spiritual holiday anymore, as it was in the very beginning. But our consciousness, which is only based on physical and not spiritual, you know, we've moved out of those spiritual feelings or consciousness into this, you know, just commercialism. Or, you know, this lack of consciousness. What do you think? Well, just the very nature of spirituality would insinuate that you are connected to your spirit. Right? Because we're spiritual beings. Right? We are all spiritual beings. That is correct. Right. But as we have evolved, as our civilizations have evolved, we've moved further and further and further away from our spirit. Therefore, a disconnection with self. Right. And why is that? Why do you think that happens? Because of advancements in technology, advancements in civilization. You know, think about it. Before the written language, you would have to communicate via intuition or rhythms or, I mean, to go back to the beginning of time, I'm assuming. But, you know, going back to the Mayans, I mean, the Mayans were highly, highly evolved people. Highly evolved people. Highly evolved mathematicians. I mean, these people were all unbelievable. Well, absolutely, they were unbelievable. But, Nestor, the question is, is that if we don't operate under spiritual calendars or the type of calendars that the Mayans used, and we only use these physical calendars. Oh, well, we lost them. That was, well, no worries. He's on the street. We lost Nestor? We lost Nestor. But, Sal, we can continue the conversation. Well, as he said. As he said before, stuff's already happening down there. So, obviously, he experienced something. Uh-oh. Solar flare. So, here we go. Well, Nestor, if he joins us back, Nestor's back. Let's go ahead and get his comments. Nestor, are you there, buddy? Did you drop? What happened? I'm here. I'm here. Solar flare? For some reason, I just keep dropping off. Where I'm at, there's no internet signal. So, I wasn't able to listen to the whole show. But, repeat the question again. The actual question is. Well, hang on. Wyman, I think when you mentioned calendar in the last couple of minutes a couple of times. I just want to make sure. When you say the calendar, you're referring to the calendar. The Mayan calendar, not the Gregorian calendar. Any calendar. Any calendar. I'm going to do a little specific to what I'm talking about. So, the Gregorian calendar is based on physical. So, when I speak of calendars, physical calendars. Okay. Okay. So, Nestor, do you understand what a physical calendar is versus a divine or prophetic calendar? Do you understand the difference? Well, I mean, a physical calendar would have to do with time. Passing of time. The counting of time. Physical objects. Correct. And those physical objects being the sun and the planets. Right. But that is why we don't have the spirituality in our lives. That is why because we don't base that. We don't base our consciousness on anything but physical. So, we don't believe in anything we don't see. We don't touch. Right. We don't. So, how does that affect society as a whole? Do you think we're better or do you think we're worse? Now, you made a comment. Answer the question. Go ahead. You're asking me. Well, I mean, I made a comment. The comment is... Are we better or worse in society because of... It depends on what you look at. It depends on how you look at it. I mean, look, we have access to more information now. Are we really communicating effectively with each other? I don't know. I have 2,500 minutes on my cell phone plan, for instance. I think I use five in phone calls. Okay? Okay. So, with all the technological advances, are we really communicating with each other? Right. It seems to me like we're better from a certain aspect, and I'm not sure. You know, I can't answer that question. I don't know that we're better. You know what I mean? Do you think... Better... You mentioned technology, and you mentioned technology as possibly being the reason why our consciousness is... We are devoid of consciousness. That's one of the reasons. Well, don't you think that it took an evolution of consciousness to make that technology and that, potentially... That technology, what we're creating, should take us to the next level. You know, we're now co-creating our existences. Not really. We're creating. Not really. Not really. Not really. Because when we evolved culturally, scientifically, we've moved further and further away from spiritual consciousness, which is to say... That's correct. We've become self-dependent. Not dependent on the spirit. Or the energy. We've become self-dependent. You know, the scientific school is there's nothing else that exists out there that can't be proven. Right? Well, correct. Anything that can't be proven scientifically. Right. Right. That's how the scientists feel, and that's how they go about their business, which is fine, because we certainly need their information as well. But it's not... It's based on physical. You're right. Mm-hmm. So is it... So how do we fix it? So how do we get people on track? How do we get people on track to understand that something like a 2012 or a Y2K is never going to be the doom and gloom that the media predicts? How do we get people's consciousness to the next level so they don't fall for the next Y2K or 2012? Well, there's always going to be people who fall, and there's always going to be people who are based on fear. Fear is the biggest motivator. That's true. You're right. So to answer your question, I think that we have... Things are better in the sense that, again, we have more access to information, which means if you have more access to other people's thoughts, to other people's ideas, something that you did not think was possible now may be possible. So the consciousness level from that perspective is a little bit better. I think we, as a culture, as a civilization, have become aware that things aren't necessarily the way we used to think they were. So people might be more open to seeing life from a different perspective, seeing that, you know what, I do have some choices. I do have the choice of maybe becoming a little bit more conscious about who I am in relation to other people, to the world, to the universe, which I think is part of this whole thing, part of one calendar, Mayan calendar ending, per se, and another one. So I think that's a new beginning. So this is a new beginning. This is a new beginning. Well, this has definitely ended on a brighter note than it began then. Absolutely. The way the show began, I thought, oh my God, where's my emergency preparedness kit? Now I'm thinking, hey, I need to get into the lotus position and start to do some meditation. I think Sal grew during the length of this show. I have evolved. He grew during this episode. He's grown up. In one hour, I've evolved. That is awesome. Well, if you need to get into the lotus position to be more connected with your higher self, then that's what you need to do. But that's only one way. There's a million ways. There's a million ways to be connected to your higher self. Well, I don't have any mushrooms with me, unfortunately. So Nestor, give us one last update of what's going on in New York City. Tell us, so we're okay with the storms. We've already gone through our alignments. No solar storms. We've been through the alignments. Everything's fine. What do you think? Tell us everything is okay in New York or what's happening. Everything's okay. Everything's good. Everything's okay. The building's still up. Everything's all right. We're about a week left in 2012. 2013 is a new year, a new beginning. I think this is a great opportunity for all of us to become more conscious and aware of a new beginning, not just the first of the year and all that stuff, but a new beginning. Well, thank you. Thanks, Nestor. I appreciate you calling in. I loved your segment. I appreciated that work. Good work from New York City. Sal, anything to say in closing, my friend? I just want to invite any listeners to check out our show, Registered Ear Offenders, hosted by the New York City by myself and Chris Zee every Friday, 1 p.m. Pacific time right here on skidrowstudios.com, also on iTunes, also on Xtreme XM 165. All right. Well- And check us out on Facebook. Check us out on Facebook. Yes, the Devils in the Details show page on Facebook. Please go there, like it, post a comment, and I will certainly reply to everything you say. And post your corrections, too, because if you find something in the show that's inaccurate, please feel free to correct us and you might make it onto the show. All right. All right. Bye, Nester. Nester, you take care, man. All right. Take care. Have a good one. And don't, you know, be very careful and stay safe. And on your way back, bring us some treats, man. You got it, man. Peace and love and good vibes to everybody. Peace out. See you next week. Bye.