Sci-fi TV show battle royale with Bruce Jingles call-in

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I'll make up a birthday song. Birthday, birthday, birthday. Yeah, birthday. All right. I didn't even pull my microphone down. That's how, like, on a birthday. Yeah. You're going to get drunk. No. Yeah. It's going to be awesome. I am not. I am not. So, guys, here's the deal. This is what we're doing. We're going to discuss best sci-fi TV show. A battle royale. That's right. A battle royale between sci-fi TV shows. The problem we've been having, and I think everybody's been having, is what we're going to include in sci-fi, besides the obvious. Obviously, we're going to get Star Trek and its many carnations. Do we really kill Star Trek? No. Is that real? Is that really sci-fi? Because I don't know. What with the alien beings and spaceships and shit. And then we've got, you know, Battlestar Galactica, Firefly, I think Doctor Who. But then there starts to be, you know, like we've got Farscape. Anything else, guys? Throw out some other ones. Let me see. Some other ones. We've got Stargate and all its incarnations. Stargate and MacGyver. If you're talking just hard sci-fi right now, we also have... We have a lot of episodes of The Outer Limits. A lot of episodes of Twilight Zone. I think that's all arguable. Caprica. Oh, yeah, Caprica. Caprica. Which was pretty fun. Some people would say Amazing Stories. Remember that show, Amazing Stories? Oh, yeah. That's arguable. I'd say that's arguable. It's on the borderline. Okay. It's on the borderline because it had a lot of fantasy in it. I was going to... We're going to discuss fantasy later and piss off Ed in the next episode. We're going to do best fantasy TV shows. There are no good fantasy TV shows. We will discuss that. We will discuss that. That would be very short. If it's the last thing I do, I'm going to crush you. I'm going to win you over. I'm going to crush you. Yeah, you were tripping on that one. Quantum Leap? Quantum Leap. That's probably my favorite overall TV show. It's fantastic. Which is why we can't limit this to hard sci-fi. Yeah, I think you're right. Because there's too many... The show is all about time travel. That's the entire concept of the show. Which is completely sci-fi. Super sci-fi. And X-Files? Do we do X-Files? X-Files totally, yeah. Because there's aliens. Because it's basically about aliens and the search for... Okay, so real quick though. The Jetsons. One big distinction that we haven't mentioned. Lex. Tripping the Rift. Tell you about the number one. Futurama. Archer. These could all be considered sci-fi. No cartoons. No cartoons today. Okay, we got two things here. Also, I would have to argue with you about Archer. Even though I love that show. Ah, I love that show. They got space to it. I don't love that show. Maybe not Archer. It's a bunch of jerks. It's like, what are the games from Seinfeld? We're spies. There is lasers and stuff like that. But, um... So, the question though... Lasers. ...is about comedy. Lasers. Do we want to go ahead and completely discount comedy? Because Futurama, I mean... Well, we're not counting... That's a cartoon. We're not counting cartoons. Eureka for one. Has to be live action? It's kind of funny. Yeah, we're going live action. Okay, so eliminating all cartoons. We can get rid of Futurama. We can get rid of Tripping the Rift. We can get rid of... Tripping the Rift. Wow. Super Friends. We can get rid of... Yeah, we can get rid of... And the animated series. Yes, we have to get rid of all superhero. We can do... Justice League. We'll do a cartoon version as well. What better... Best cartoon show as well. I didn't even write down Aeon Flux. All right, so let's get this started. Oh, but the Max. There's a comment already. We do have to mention that the Max was fucking great. I have no idea. Could you... The TV. The Max is a badass. MTV back in the day. What about Max Headroom? No, no. The Max. It was this purple guy with, like, claws and... He lived simultaneously in two dimensions. Yeah. And he kept jumping back between things. You gotta... You gotta watch it. It was awesome. Find it somewhere. It's fantastic. You have found my weakness. So Eric says... Oh, yeah. Sorry about the air conditioning, guys. Eric says, all the Star Trek incarnations should fight it out to qualify for the best sci-fi show just to make it fair for the other franchises. Yeah. That would be a small separate... Oh, so we want to do a Star Trek battle first to decide which Star Trek is best? Is that Star Trek going to then be representing all of them and then get sort of the... Yeah, yeah. Are they all going to count as bannermen? Because I know she's going to go next. Next generation. Of course. I can't even... It's really a toss-up between the original series and Next Generation as to which one best represents the brand as a whole. I feel... I... See, I disagree. I don't think it should be allowed to represent the brand. Like, I don't think we should say Smallville or Lois and Clark. Okay, well, let's go ahead and say Lois and Clark is a piece of shit. Smallville. And then Smallville represents the DC universe for us. Yeah, yeah. That's not fair. I feel like each show should be completely on its own merits. Yeah. I feel like that, too. We can do a Star Trek episode later. Yeah, but as far as if you're going to do... Eric, you've been... You're going to say one is representative. Eric, this is what I've decided to say to you. Because TNG actually touches... Is the one show that touches on every single of the other shows. Yeah. We'll do this... That's very true. We'll do this fail for Eric. Go whip! Okay. Go whip. My mic sounds a little echoey. Is that just in my... Yeah, that was terrible. All right, so... Right off the bat, I got to say this. I never saw Babylon. Did anybody see Babylon 5? I saw some episodes. I've only seen a few episodes of Babylon 5. Can I give you my opinion about Babylon 5 right here? And some people probably hate me for it. To me, it was just about having hot people. Like, they were hopping on a bandwagon, and the entire thing was just hot people. Even the aliens had big titties. And it was like, it was like, look at these big-titted aliens. And look, I don't... Don't get me wrong. I love me some titties. There's a bunch of that on Star Trek as well. I didn't write down Emmanuel in space. Not as much as Star Trek still. Well, it also started in 1987. So, on Next Generation, there's still... Think about all of Riker's fantasies and stuff. Those women were barely wearing anything. Riker's supposed to be like, you know, sort of an heir apparent to Kirk, and then he just, he bangs whatever, can put his penis in it. Yeah. Yeah, but I felt like it was... Can I put my penis in it? I'm gonna put my penis in it. Although, I guess you could make the same argument with Battlestar Galactica, because they had all the hot Cylon chicks. Yeah. And even the original Battlestar Galactica, like, all those people were 70s hot. Yeah. You know, you had Facer. I saw the A-teams on that show. Mmm. Mmm. Loved him. Good looking man. Okay, so let's start this debate. I want to hear what Ed's favorite sci-fi show is. Ed's been quiet so far. No, I've been listening to you guys, and I'm trying to formulate stuff, and I'm also drawing Robin kicking a ninja in the throat. I like that. So, basically, here's the thing. I grew up in the 80s, and all of my criteria, honestly, I do believe I like the shows that have one sci-fi element, rather than like, oh, there's aliens, and there's monsters, and there's space travel, and there's this, and there's that. One of my favorite sci-fi shows growing up was fucking Knight Rider, and I know nobody would agree with that, but I love it. You got a super car. That's the only thing. It's arguable. And then see exactly where we go from that point. So, I like stuff like that. Okay. In that same vein, The Incredible Hulk. If we're going to disqualify superhero shows, let's go on. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Who said we're disqualifying superhero shows? For the sci-fi debate. For the sci-fi debate. Because I think it's such a vast genre. We'll do a separate. Separate superhero show. We'll do a separate superhero show debate as well. I'm just marking this down because I am trying to cross off a list here. So, we're going to cross out The Incredible Hulk. Yeah. Greatest American Hero. The Sentinel. Heroes. The Flash. Yes. Although I love The Flash. It fucking rocked. We'll talk about that. My Secret Identity. I love that show. Greatest American Hero. I think we have to take a look at this countdown. Doogie Howser. You know what? There's another show that I would actually. Doogie Howser does kind of have the same superpowers. Doctor Who. Do sci-fi comedy sort of. I liked Out of This World. Yay. I was just hanging out with Maureen Flanagan this last weekend. Seriously. At this birthday party. And it was awesome. Evie. She still looks the same. I so wanted to stop time. That'd be so rad. I convinced my whole fourth grade class that I could. If you think about it, Zach Morris could stop time too. I mean, that's all I'm saying. No, but Evie was a half alien. Well, I'd say that show called Sci-Fi because he had that futuristic cell phone. That's right. Oh, by the way, I forgot to mention our phone number. We got 1-800-825-7000. 893-9562. Again, that's 1-800-893-9562. Oh, and no calls from Dr. Claw today. Yeah. I am so impressed with you, Lee, for pulling out Out of This World. I love you for that. You're saying Knight Rider. What about Small Wonder? She was a robot. That's right. That show. I can watch that show on YouTube. That show is terrible. It is. That show is no different from any other sitcom of that time. Yeah. Right. The fact that she's a robot. She's a robot does not elevate it in any way whatsoever. No. She's a robot that acts like a goddamn human. In fact, it's something they try to work around a lot to sort of make her, like you could tell for the later seasons they'd stop figuring out like, hey, we need to make her more human because we've run out of things to do with her. And we have her living in a closet. Yeah. Yep. Of her brother. And why is she developing like a child? So here's what I didn't get though. They did seem to have the growth hormone thing down, the anti-growth hormone thing down for that way more than Lost because that girl, like at least that was gradual. Lost, that kid shot up in like one year. And I just won't include Lost because fuck Lost. I hate Lost. I wish I didn't die the second it came out. I've been trying to work my way through Lost and it's been a struggle. I am still on season one and it's been like seven months. Wait till you get to about second episode of season two or season, about third or fourth episode of season two when you go, you know what? I'd like some answers. Go fuck yourself. I'm done. Oh. That's what I did. I'm already like, this show is taking too long. I like Lost quite a bit. Episode nine. You like Lost? Oh yeah, I love Lost. The problem, the problem is that it starts out really strong and it never gets that strong again. Yeah, that's okay. I mean, I would disagree because I'm like, I'm still on season one. I've been trying to watch this show for like six or seven months. And I'm just like, I can't do another episode. Not right now. But I fucked, I worked my way through Enterprise in like two months. I couldn't, see, and I watched it when it was on. Every Star Trek show I feel exactly that way about is that people, like all my friends growing up were always into Star Trek. And it was, watch it and go, they're just flying through space again. I don't. I had to. I feel like. It's totally lame to discover new worlds. I felt like there's people in my family when I was watching Next Generation. I started watching it when I was six with my dad and like, I wanted to just. Yeah, I watched it with my dad too. I watched it with my mom. Which ruins it a little bit. But all these things we have to take into consideration that your childhood will color your eyes. But I've watched Next Generation again later in the last couple of years. In the last couple of years and I still love it. But I also see that it's sort of, writing-wise, I still think it's like one of the weakers of the show, especially of the new ones. If you're not going to count the original series, which you have to judge that on its own merits given its time frame and all that sort of thing. I'm going to say, this is my favorite, but the problem with my favorite is that it only has, I believe, 14 episodes? Oh, Firefly. Firefly. And the reason I like Firefly so much was they did a great job of having this mix of Western and this, this badass, old school mentality of kicking some ass. It's basically if you cross the original series of Star Trek with Wild Wild West, which I would also argue was a sci-fi show. That's true. Wild Wild West was a sci-fi show. It's like a steak on the plane. And the other thing about Firefly was I felt like there's this underlying conspiracy, which I think adds to the whole plot. Yeah, I wanted to know all the other little subplots. Like we find in the movie, obviously it answers all the questions about River, which is fine. But it kills off Wash, which was just heartbreaking. Oh, I know. It answered a bunch of questions. And then spoiler alert, for those of you who haven't seen that movie in the last seven years. And if you haven't, get your shit together. I think that Firefly is just about flawless. That's how I feel. But it's only 14 episodes. The argument that I made last time is that it did not go long enough. But that's the problem because you can't, because can you not defend it? So you just have this sort of, it's like your first love, but the relationship ended beautifully and you're still friends. Oh, did that happen for you? No. But I do know people who have that. Really? Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no. First they fall in love with and the relationship ended and they're still friends and they go to each other's weddings and they hang out and their spouses like each other. I guess that is. It's this big goddamn love fest. No, no. That's sort of like Firefly to me. If you're friends, if you're friends at the end, that means that you feel like, oh, that show's still over there and I'm just not fucking it anymore. Yeah, but I want to go get a cup of coffee with it. No, I feel like this is more the whole Camu thing. The only way that you could have a perfect relationship like that is if, you know, right when you're super in love, they die. No. That's awful. Is that someone on the phone? Yes. Is it Bruce? You motherfucker. What's up, Bruce? Is that Jingles? This is Bruce Jingles. This is the guy I open up for on the road. He's hilarious and super nerd. So what's your, what's your, your sci-fi show, Bruce? I go back. My sci-fi goes back because I'm older. You old fucker. I, I like Space 1999. Oh, Jesus. Oh, shit. You're going to have to argue for that because I'm not familiar with it. I'm not. Space 1999 was created by Gary Anderson. He was a British sci-fi creator. He created the Thunderbirds. Okay. Space 1999. That's a puppet show? Yeah, he created that puppet show. Yeah. The marionette show, actually. Puppets are fags. What a, what a, marionette is a much more masculine name. Hey, hey, hey. We like, we like, we don't like the X. It's like, it's the difference, it's the difference between dolls and action figures. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like Barbie's a doll. Fucking G.I. Joe's an action figure. I'll fuck you up if you make fun of called G.I. Joe a doll. However, I think a marionette is actually the same thing as a puppet. It's of the puppet family. It's the same. Potato, potato, negro, coon, whatever you got. All the same shit. Oh, Bruce. Bruce is black if you couldn't tell. Just why he could spell his name. Bruce is black. Let me prove my blackness. Oh, I liked it. The stage 1999. I so liked it. That. How you doing, Glee? How you doing, my brother, Edgar? What's up, brother? He goes, we love sci-fi. The Uncle Remus of sci-fi, everybody. You know what the best thing is? Black. Every time they had a black president, that was considered sci-fi. That shows it's the future. Black president means it's the future. So we're in the future now. Yeah, next thing you know, there'll be asteroids coming out of the sky. That's going to be good times. Speaking, 24 counts as sci-fi. 24? If you're going to judge by that criteria. Have we talked about Doctor Who yet? So we will, but hold on, Bruce. Tell me what Space 1999 and what the fuck it was is about, because I've never watched it. Basically, you know, it was a rag-tag federation. Everybody's a federation. And it was a darker, um, the provision of, from what I can remember, honestly. It was like the Earth had a nuclear war. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So they're the last survivors on Earth. And it happened, like the war happened in 1999, so then it's like it's been posted. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And Martin Landau, that's the word that made Martin Landau a star, actually. I didn't know that. Martin Landau and his wife, Barbara Bain. Yeah. This shit sounds weak. It was after, no, actually, it was after Mission Impossible. It was the mid-70s. So you're saying that's better than Star Wars? Martin Landau. Martin Landau. Martin Landau. Star Trek or Firefly? Huh? You're saying that's better than Star Trek or Firefly? Oh, no, I'm just, I'm just bringing up another one. That's his, that's his childhood, sort of. Okay, all right. Yeah, I'm not old, you know, I'm not old, you know, I don't remember when Star Trek was on network TV. Here's my old thing because I'm old. He's not old enough for Star Trek, but he's old enough for Space 1999. Yeah, see, I'm old enough to remember when they were both in syndication, so. Fair enough. Yeah. I watched the original syndication. What about you, Matt? Who's your favorite? What's your favorite sci-fi? What are you, what are you defending? It's too hard for me to narrow down favorite anything. Thing two. As people who know me very, very well know, I am incredibly frightened by commitment, so committing to one sci-fi show for the rest of my life sounds a little, but as far as a personal, a personal favorite that I think everybody should watch that I'm going to cross off right now for the same reason that we're crossing off Firefly, we're eliminating Firefly, right? No. What? This is still open. The debate is open. All right, well, we don't start eliminating shit soon. I think you have to stay on the air for four years to be under qualification because honestly, it's just like everybody want to tell me Biggie's the best rapper. The motherfucker had two albums. That's exactly what I'm saying. I think that we should eliminate it for that reason. I'm not saying it's not a fucking amazing show, but I'm also saying we should eliminate one of my favorite shows that also got canceled that they tried to put up against X-Files because you know that was like, show after show, that was just the fucking meat grinder where they put in shows and they said, hey, you know what? X-Files really lucked out. We didn't put it forth any advertising for this. We didn't spend any money on it and it became a huge fucking hit. Bruce, what are you doing? I'm on my cell phone and my big black ear hit my touchscreen. Okay, all right. But it was just show after show. They're like, oh, well, maybe we'll get that exact same success with another show and they'd give it, you know, six episodes and give it and go, hey, it's not a fucking mega hit. Yeah, it's like going up against friends. Like anything went up against friends. Well, you're gonna lose. Enjoy that. Right, so yeah, it was that evil Friday night time slot but my favorite of all those shows was Brimstone. Oh, never saw that. Which if you, nobody else did either. Brimstone was about a cop. Too busy watching X-Files. A cop whose wife gets raped and he goes and kills the motherfucker that did it and then like a week later dies in the line of duty and goes to hell. Oh, shit. Right, but he's a badass and he's a good dude and so he's the only guy that the devil can trust to go back to earth because there's a huge breakout in hell and 113 souls get free and go back to earth. Oh, I remember this show. And this cop has to track him down. It's badass. Can we include Supernatural then? We can. I've never seen it though. Because if we include Supernatural, that's my favorite TV show period. Really? Yeah. Let's not talk about Jared Padalecki. Thank you very much. Anyway, we're crossing off Brimstone because like Firefly, it was one season it got canceled by Fox. Supernatural, I think Well, Fox cancels everything. I think Supernatural is more the fantasy. So we'll also cross out Strange Luck, VR, I think Brimstone counts as more magic too. Space Above and Beyond. If you include hell in it, I think that's too much more magic. I include V. I include V too. Yeah, V. Both Vs. Mini series. Yeah. No, the mini series. Both versions were mini series. Not the series. Yeah. Not the series. Was there a TV show? It was a mini series. It was a mini series. Both of the shows were just mini series. They were meant to only run for like 20 something odd episodes. I don't think we can count those because they were mini series. But if you count them all together, they're technically a total of about four seasons. Oh, yeah. That's arguable. I'm also going to cross out this went over one season. I still don't think V beat Star Trek though. But I'm also going to cross out another one that bears mentioning right next to Wild Wild West is The Adventures of Briscoe County Jr. I loved that show. That was totally a sci-fi show. I guess if you're going to count Wild Wild West, it's sort of an heir apparent to Wild Wild West. It totally was. I mean, yeah. And we haven't discussed Mike Buck Rogers. Going to cross out Dollhouse as well. Yeah, you have to cross out Dollhouse. Dollhouse was an assassination slash rape fantasy writ large. Yeah, it really was. It was just like, hey, bitches, go to sleep. Wake up not knowing who you are, but wanting to suck my dick. Right. Wow, all these girls want to suck my dick. I like that. I like rape, but you feel like I say that every day. I say that every day. Too much of a hassle. Yeah, Buck Rogers. Let's argue Buck Rogers. Buck Rogers. Okay, now, Buck Rogers is very much of its time. So, it is 80s-tastic. Yeah, because when you watch it now, you're like, ooh. It was actually late. Late 70s, early 80s. Because it went from 79 to 82. Only ran three seasons. Yeah. I would say the second season is probably its best. What about Flash Gordon? Yeah. And Buck Rogers was also the disco space dude. If you remember, if you ever remember the movie, Danny. I don't. There's a scene where he's dancing with the princess. His energy is all, what are you doing? He's all getting down, baby. So great. One of the best things about Ted was the book. It was the Flash Gordon. I haven't seen Ted yet. Oh, God. There's an awesome Flash Gordon cameo and it is just beautiful. So, okay. Flash. Yeah, Flash Gordon doesn't count because, A, I think it's, was it serials back in the days? Yeah, but there was a TV show. There was a TV show in the, it must have been the 70s. Yeah, it was, yeah, it wasn't really. I argue against any show where there is a modern army, like a future army, and then they get some douchebag from the past or some dude from Earth who has no military training and then decides to. That's why he hates, that's how our Buck Rogers argument started, that joke I had. Oh, it just sucks, man. It's like, you got this fucking caveman going to this super future where everybody's got, like, touchscreens on their dick and shit, and then. There's touchscreens on their dick. You got this stupid asshole from the past. If a fucking, if a fucking caveman or an 1870s soldier came to right now and decided he was better than a Marine, he'd get his ass kicked. It's unfrozen. I'd beat him up. I'd beat him up. So this ridiculous future, this demolition man ass future of pussies where this caveman with his loincloth comes out of the woodworks and he can be a better soldier. I just. A military mind is a military mind. I would argue that if you brought out Napoleon now, he'd be able to command an army and be brilliant. To a point. As soon as he learned all the technological. Yeah, all you have to do is get him up to speed on the technology. Actually, we actually do have a real life example, weird as it is, of somebody who had no fucking experience and came in and made all the right choices for no good goddamn reason at all. And that's fucking Joan of Arc. Yeah. Like, if you know, if you look at the history, like she came in and just every choice she made was right. And it was. Yeah, she didn't go through basic. Absolutely no training. And she says, God told her that it was a direct line. Maybe she just got lucky. We don't fucking know. I think she was just a brilliant military mind. There is an example. Well, and Joan of Arc got put in the military right now. It could be. She would not pass. It'd be on some G.I. Jane shit. But she would wash out in four seconds. But at that point, at that point, though, it might have been more acceptable to people that there was some imaginary man telling her what to do than that a woman who's that much about her. Nobody could say like, no, bitch, you're just a brilliant military tactician. And that's why you fucking get it. You ever read the Bible according to Mark Twain? No. I've heard of it. I wanted to. I did bookmark it on my Kindle. There's a part where he talks about heaven. Everybody goes up to heaven. Heaven is, you get a, your house is big dependent upon what you would have done if circumstances had been correct. So like there was a dude who had lost a thumb in like some freak accident and wasn't able to join the military and he would have been the greatest military mind ever. So like, he's like on his way to go to his house and he passes Napoleon and Napoleon's all pissed off seeing this guy pass him. Like, ah, I won all these wars. What'd this guy do? But it was. So heaven is basically what would happen if God weren't a dick? Yeah. Yeah. Like if you deserve. Like if God didn't create all this evil for you to have to deal with. Yeah. Whatever you would have ended up doing. So if you've got the greatest military intelligence ever. We've got some comments. Yeah. Okay. We want to take those real fast. Well, first off, I'm going to do this out of order. That's fine. As Mandy said, if you include Supernatural, doesn't that open up lots of other shows? Hence the reason we got rid of it. It does. Yeah. Wait, did we say we're getting rid of it? We can include that because fantasy. I think it's too fantasy. It's closer to fantasy. Okay. So we are then. We're getting rid of anything that's fantasy. This is going to be a huge thing. Buffy the Vampire Slayer was going to be right up there. Nope, we can't. That's fantasy. That's closer to fantasy. We'll talk about Buffy for fantasy when we do a fantasy episode. Okay. So are we. Are we also eliminating amazing stories? Yeah. Anything that has magic in it, I think we have to eliminate as sci-fi. Okay. I'm going to also eliminate the tales from the clip. Then Supernatural is fantasy too then. Yeah, that's exactly what he said. Cross it off. I'm going to eliminate Supernatural. Yeah. Yeah. So a couple comments from Eric real fast. Okay, go ahead. If you guys have time after your battle, have any of you seen Revolution and if so, thoughts and. No, I haven't seen it yet. No spoilers. Yeah. No spoilers. All the commercials make it seem like Hunger Games, the TV show. I really have to watch it. I'll download it. I know people who are involved in it, so I have to watch it. We have a specific. Yeah, me too. We have a specific message to Ed as well. Eric also says, I'd pick a time-traveling Andrew Jackson over a modern-day Navy SEAL in a fight any day. Oh, I wouldn't. Oh, and almost 30 minutes in and no Twilight Zone. Yeah, me either. I'd pick the Navy SEAL. Yeah, I think. Yeah, no Twilight Zone. The Twilight Zone is more supernaturally sort of. It has some sci-fi stuff. It's got some sci-fi stuff but it's more like sort of karmic. There are aspects to the Twilight Zone. I will give you this. And it's on the version you saw. Does that make any sense? Because you've got to think there have been four different versions of the Twilight Zone. Yeah, but most of them were like fantasy. But it was, it was always anthological so it can be put all together. It's not like Star Trek where it's like it's a completely different cast of characters whatever. Yeah. Because it's anthological you can consider it all one. Yeah. Even though the 80s even went. And the Twilight Zone is more like fables and this sort of karmic thing. Yeah, I don't think we can quit Twilight Zone. I disagree as far as the content of it being a sci-fi show. I definitely think it can count as a sci-fi show. I think that right now we should say that we're going to eliminate every anthology. Right. That we shouldn't count anthologies for this. I think that would be good because series grow as a story progression and anthologies have an innate advantage. Exactly. In that they can go and they can do a space show this day. They can do a fantasy show this day. It makes the episode miss a lot of times but that is an advantage where you just have to do a few good amazing shows and then that can be the best show ever. Right. So, all right. We are going to cross out Twilight Zone for that reason. So, all right. I just want to run down this quick list of what I've got left. Mm-hmm. All right. That I think is at the top and see if we need to add anything to it. Did you add Voyagers? What? Voyager? Oh, Voyagers. That's the show. It was with Voyagers with Nino Palouse and John Eric Exum. Yeah. He got killed on the set of that show sort of on a Bruce Lee or Brandon Lee. Yeah. Yeah, he was the first Brandon Lee. Yeah, he died like that. Yeah. I remember that show. That show was awesome. Did you do a commercial? Yeah. Okay. Sorry to interrupt everybody. We'll do a commercial and then run down the list when we come back. When we get back from commercial, we will get into exactly how Star Trek's, how to get the Star Trek's narrowed down somehow and how they stack across the show. We normally do, but it looks like today we're going to skip the commercial. Oh, okay. We're going to skip the commercial. I'll do the commercial. The commercial is come see me, Bruce. Come see me, Bruce. I'm seeing me and Bruce September 27th in La Mesa. Yes. California. Yes, we'll be in La Mesa. This Thursday at the Regal Bar in La Mesa. Yeah, come see us. 830. All right. So, okay, what were we going to get into, Ed? Let's start putting the Star Trek's up against some of these shows and seeing like what Star Trek shows do we want to eliminate? I understand that all you jerks are going to eliminate Voyager. Well, give your argument for Voyager because it's actually pretty compelling. I want to hear your argument for Voyager. I am curious because I've only seen a few episodes. How would we get rid of Deep Space Nine? I'm going to offer up I would say get rid of Enterprise. I'm going to offer up my Star Trek original series. I'm going to offer that up and say we can ax that because it's so anthological. No, no. And dated. Well, I mean, the one thing I would say But talk about Voyager, Ed. Okay, here's the thing about Voyager. This is my argument for Voyager. Number one, Voyager is the only Star Trek show since people have told me the first one where the Star Trek people were literally by themselves. They could not just call up some dudes to help them. They couldn't call up Admiral Jackoff or something to send a bunch of fleet in to help them in any situation. They were literally by themselves living by their federation, you know, mores and their federation morals out in a place where that probably wasn't the best thing for them to do. Or they're trying to be exploring space and keeping things peaceful but people keep fucking with them. Yeah, and they don't have any backup. So every single episode they're literally fighting for their lives. Whereas the people in the original Star Trek series, they just sort of flew into conflicts and sort of they could leave if they wanted to. They could just get Jetty. Peace. I'm out of here. This is getting too hairy. But Voyager, they could not go anywhere. They were trapped in the Delta Quadrant. They couldn't just run away. They had all these problems. So each and every episode was a battle for survival. Whereas, you know, in the next generation they could have called dudes to help them out. The first one, technically, they could call dudes to help them out. There was no way. That they could get out of their adventures in Voyager. Having never seen the show, my immediate question when you say every day was a battle for survival, did they lose characters? Did characters die left and right? Well, unnecessary characters who wore red jumpsuits. Yeah. That's the hallmark of every sci-fi show, really, is unnecessary characters die. Well, that's one thing that Battlestar Galactica, the more recent one, has over a lot of shows is that characters that were, that did seem necessary, characters that you liked died. And it kind of fucked with you. Yeah, I can see that. I will say that Battlestar Galactica, the final season, really kind of tanks it. Somebody made a comment about how about the very unsciencey ending to Battlestar Galactica. Yeah, that was Mandy. It's such a bad ending. We'll get to you in a second, Brian. The entire final season is bad, but then, you know, the way they end it is bad. I mean, like, your big complaint about loss, and there's a ton of people complaining about loss, is that it's not that it answers no questions. Yeah. And, you know, their argument back was, well, we would have had to spend a whole episode just talking about stuff. It's like, well, no, you probably could have done it a little better. But then Battlestar Galactica actually did that. There was actually an episode where a guy just lays in a hospital bed and explains everything. And he might as well look over to the camera and go, right, audience? That makes sense, huh? And then, you know, and then the audience collectively goes, no, that doesn't make any fucking sense. Go back. Go back to the way things were before. Not everybody can be a fucking Cylon. This is bullshit. You're breaking all the rules that you set up in the first place. Yeah. I hate when a show breaks its own rules. It really pisses me off. Well, which is why loss sucks, because it started out as, yo, we're trapped on this island. This island may be a man-made island. It may be something, but we don't really know, da-da-da-da. And they rule out that it could be some sort of purgatory or some magical land. They rule that out on all the message boards and all everything. They said, nope, nope, they're definitely not dead. And then, boom, They weren't dead the whole time, though. Well, they sort of were. I just know the end because people told me it, and I will tell you this. I'm not going to try to find out any more about it. Just after season two, it can suck my dick. It can suck my dick. Yeah, I already know the ending as well. Having not seen a single episode, I knew the ending. It can plural suck my dick. And I was like, oh, I want to see how they got there. And I'm just like, this is frustrating. And there was also some cool Easter eggs, like there's a shark that comes and attacks them or something, and that shark has a corporate logo on it, meaning it's some sort of animatronic robot or something. And they just sort of think, nope, nope, not. And I was like, dude, that would have been really cool if they were trapped on an island as some sort of social experiment. That would be dope as fuck. And that was what I was hoping they were going to do, and then they never answered anything. They never hinted at that. They definitely flirted with a lot of things that they did. It was all hints. Yeah, and the first season was, if I didn't know how it ends, the first season would make me think that they were part of a social experiment of some sort. That's what they were doing, and then they were going to fuck with you at the end, and they're going to want to stab them. We have another comment, if that's okay. Oh, what's the comment? Sure. First, it's, hi, Ron. Hi. I'm listening, and personally, I am for Firefly. It was murdered, not canceled. It was by far one of the best sci-fi TV shows to date. We all agree with that. Minus, minus, River's psychic ability, and it stayed to a realistic script. Well, you know, and again, then you're making, even the psychic ability, you're making an argument that they implanted that in a sci-fi way, which, you know. Yeah, because they just enhanced her brain so much that eventually, like, well, that's the logical next step. Yeah. And even, but the thing is, again, we had to rule out Firefly because it's just, it was too short, even though it was, should have been on the air for five years. It was murdered and left by a highway. Because otherwise, we get into that slippery slope argument of like, oh, man, I saw the best fucking pilot. The show never got made. You know what I mean? Like, we all start talking about like, Heat Vision and Jack, and we're like, oh, that was great. And it's like, well, it didn't get made though, so it's not really fair to compare it to everything else. Exactly. That had to keep going. So, so far, it looks like we've, our two big debates have been Battlestar Galactica, Star Trek. Now, we decided- I'm gonna eliminate Sliders. Sorry, Houston. I would eliminate Sliders on, there's one major thing about Sliders that bothered, just, I love that show, but it just bothered, is the black dude was the most racist Yes, the worst character ever. stereotype. Oh, my God. All, all the way down to his conk. It was just awful. I loved that show when it started and thought it got really bad, and I recently had a conversation with another comedian, Rye Silverman. Do you guys- Yeah, Rye's awesome. I'm moving in with Rye Silverman in October. Oh, awesome. Great guy. He pointed out to me, he was like, no, no, no, it sucked from the beginning, and he went through this whole argument, and I'm like, you're right. Are you still there, Bruce? It was, it did kind of suck. Okay. Yeah, but here's the thing, if it wasn't for that dude, and it's just, and it's not the character himself, it's the characterization of that dude. I feel like that actor did not have to take it there if he didn't want to. Yeah. The actor's like, let's black this shit up. I'm a soul singer, and I'm a soul sang, like, nigga, no. Yeah, it was, it was a little coontastic. But everything else about the show was awesome. Well, also, and I do find that it's just weird that one glaring tragedy. A bunch of people who have been shit on for 400 years have to be portrayed as fearful as well. Yeah. Fuck, dude. You know what I mean? I mean, there's no group of people that have endured more bunches of shit. Maybe Jews. Rich can call in. But, you know what I mean? It's a close one. Why do we have to be scared of every fucking thing? Like, I as his biggest sausage going, oh, my lord, there's a wasp from another dimension about to stab my ass. I'm so scared of shit. Oh, lucky day. Alan, where was he getting his fucking dap or whatever the hell he was putting on his hair every week? They're sliding all over the universe. Yeah, there's no way that there's conk on every dimension. Yeah. There's no way it's conk stable. I just don't know how any of y'all are still scared after all that prison time. Conk last three nuclear wars. Conk is the conk is the last Robert and Twinkies. All right, real quick, real quick. These are, this is the list of things that I've got left. Fringe, Stargate, both of them. I never saw either. Yeah, Fringe is on that X-Files thing. I like both of them. I think we also have to include X-Files for sure and X-Files has to be one of the tops. Space 1999, Babylon 5, we never eliminated but none of us really have any argument for it, right? So we can eliminate it. Quantum Leap? Yeah, Quantum Leap is on that list. Quantum Leap is still on the list. Hold on. Doctor Who, Star Trek, which we have not gotten down to all of them yet. X-Files. Real quick, we got to talk about Eureka and Warehouse 13. Do we want to? I love those shows but I don't know if we can count them in. I've never watched Warehouse 13. I've only seen a couple episodes of Eureka but I like this so far. I watched it because I like the lead actor. Warehouse 13 and none of Eureka. Warehouse 13 is fun. It's one of those things that everybody says to get on it and it's like, It's on Netflix. It's one of those that I'll eventually get to. Well, here's the thing. Have you watched any of them? I've seen a couple of Warehouse 13. Did you really want to watch it again? No. So there you go. That answers it right there. I mean, I enjoyed the show. I don't know. Other people think they're amazing. Yeah, I enjoyed the show but I don't enjoy it so much that I have to watch it like I watch Supernatural which makes me want to watch things like Crack. Okay, I feel you. I'm going to cross both of those out then if there's no objection. I think that's a fair point. I think Burn Notice is one of the best shows on TV. I love Burn Notice but that's not even one of my favorite. I'm going to say this right now though. I feel the same way about Farscape. Eric is failing today. Farscape? I feel the exact same way about Farscape. All the Stargate shows Every single episode I've seen, I've very much enjoyed and I've never thought I've got to know what happens to those characters next. I've never thought that. That's how I feel about all the Stargate shows too. I've watched all, I guess there's three different. When I watch them, I'm like, oh, that's pretty cool. This is cool but do I want to watch it next week? If I'm around. Yeah. I like Battlestar Galactica. I really like Battlestar Galactica. I haven't watched all of it so you guys kind of, you know. I haven't watched the last two seasons of Battlestar Galactica but I've seen every single episode of the original Battlestar Galactica. Yeah. Which I loved. I'm all right with crossing it out, crossing out Battlestar Galactica. Even like, I'm somebody who loved that fucking show. If it ended as poorly as you think it did. But it ended like, it died at the end. It killed itself. It did the thing. Like, Firefly was murdered. It did the thing that Firefly didn't get a chance to do. Which was commit suicide. Which was have a really shitty last season that left such a bad taste in your mouth that you're like, oh yeah, that show is just all right. All right. That's the only reason I would argue for Star Trek Enterprise is that its final season was actually really, really good and I read, I got obsessive so I read online about what they were planning for the fifth season which was to introduce because in Enterprise they actually encounter the Borg for the first time but they don't know. And the Borg don't even have a name and they're not a collective yet. And it introduces how they became a collective which is a, like sort of a mad scientist, a Federation doctor made contact with them and it was, oh my God, it was going to be so long. Here's a question. And it was going to be the Borg queen. Would you have enjoyed that as much if you hadn't seen the Borg in Next Generation? Well, no. I'm like, and sort of Enterprise basically answers all the fucking, the holes between the original series and the, all the later shows. Enterprise answers all those questions. Why the Klingons look different. Like what's really going down between the Rymelins and the Vulcans. And how the Vulcans became what they are because it's, Enterprise takes place only a hundred and some odd years after the Vulcans So your argument right now is Enterprise and Next Generation. I would say, yeah, Enterprise only because it answers all those questions that if you're a mega Star Trek fan like I am, it touches on all the sort of holes that TNG introduced. It sounds like Enterprise though is just like You can say this out loud Bruce. You can just say it. Yeah, Bruce, come on. What's that? It sounds like Rudyard Kipling's Just So Stories in Space. It's like, hey, y'all need an answer for this? How about this? Yeah. It sounds like it works as a companion to the other Star Treks. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, that's what it is. It's a companion. Would it be as good if you hadn't already watched Star Trek Next Generation? Oh no, because you'd be like, half the storyline should be like, I don't know what the hell you guys are talking about. Because it's a prequel show basically. It's a prequel show. Okay, so we can cross that out too. I think we have to And what about the original? I would say, I mean, if you're going to argue for any of the shows, it's probably going to be TNG. Yeah, because the original to me, I've gone back and watched some of them and though some of them I really enjoy, there's a lot that I'm like, this is some cheesy bullshit. Okay, from now on then, let's compare every other show to TNG and if something beats TNG, then we can compare it to a different show. Nothing beats TNG because Wesley Crusher's on it, but that's just my opinion. Oh boy. I had to start that argument. Oh, come on. Come on. That's a good argument. And I think Quantum Leap is the best comparison because we got rid of Battlestar Galactica, which would have been my nearest Firefly if it had gone the correct seasons, I probably would have enjoyed the best, but we didn't do it. I would say both those shows basically benefit from being sort of well-rounded sci-fi shows. What about Doctor Who? Okay. Longest running sci-fi show ever pretty much, isn't it? I love Doctor Who, but I've only been on since the 2000s. 2005. And I'm actually really only familiar with 60s and 80s Doctor Who. Yeah, I've never seen any of that. I do not know the new Doctor Who that well. I've only seen the 80s, like, 89 or so. No British shows. David Tennant is hot, that's all I know. What is that? No British shows. British. Fuck the Anglophiles. I don't like British people. And I don't like their stupid-ass shows. So we're anglophiles. I don't blame you. So you're anglophiles and you're an anglophobe? Is that what you're saying? Yeah. I'm scared of them Brits. Bruce has got it bad. Yeah, Red Coat's just coming. I got Christmas Addicts Disease. I'm shooting. Bruce, you should just read out all these things you've left on the page. Oh, my sci-fi shows I want to see? Yes. Oh, Stargate Compton. Stop. Fresh Prince of Atlantis. Fresh Prince. You're a dick. And Star Trek Depends on Generation. You're a jerk. You're a jerk, Bruce. Yeah, we don't like you anymore, Bruce. Come on. Stargate Compton, that's the show I want to write. I'm with you on that one. I'm down for Stargate Compton. Yeah, let's write that. We'll get together. We'll write that. And I have a suggestion because I had to get out of here and I really enjoyed the show. Thanks for coming on, Bruce. No, no problem. Thank you for having me. Can you do like a suggestion for the next show? Okay. Okay. Top five black superheroes. I love it. I love it. I'm all over that shit. Is there such a thing? 100%. Yeah, we're going to get to five. It's going to get thin than a motherfucker. Yeah, we're going to get to three. Everybody with black in the name. Ow. Yeah. Yeah. I would say it's already like number one probably played. Or you can go top ten black characters and you can go real deep and you can add Amanda Waller and all those cats. Yeah, I think we're going to go superhero. I'm in for that if y'all want to do it. Yeah, we'll do that. We'll do that. We'll do that. We'll do that for the next show for sure. You can give another call in, Bruce, if you want. Okay. Can I please? I appreciate it. Speaking of black characters, can we talk about Red Dwarf for a second? Ed, don't weigh in. Don't know Red Dwarf. You don't know Red Dwarf? Take care, guys. See you later, Bruce. Bye, Bruce. Bye-bye. Do you know Red Dwarf? I've heard of it, but I don't think I've ever seen it. Dawn? Red Dwarf. Red Dwarf? No. Okay, well, I'm going to eliminate it then just like Space 1999 because there's going to be nobody to argue for it, but I will just say this real quick. Red Dwarf is a comedy sci-fi show that never, it never sacrificed the sci-fi for the comedy. It had, the entire show takes place in space. Like Homeboys in Outer Space? Because that was the show. That was the best show ever. The whole thing takes place in space. By best you mean terrible. Yeah. This one guy is, he gets put into cryostasis. Okay. And the rest of the show and the rest of the crew dies. It's like thousands of years later he gets woken up. Oh shit. Like accidentally. And he's the last guy. And all that's left is one, one crew member that he fucking hated got killed and they put, and they turned him into a hologram. So he's been around this whole time. And the guy's cat has evolved over like the thousands and thousands or millions or whatever of years. So he's like a human almost. That sounds hilarious. It's fucking amazing. There's time travel. There's other dimensions. There's robots. There's duplicates. It's brilliant. It's some of the most brilliant sci-fi scripts ever. And it's funny. Okay. It is also very British. Oh, well then we already decided. It's only eliminated. I know. We'll eliminate it just for having only one person to argue for it. So in that case though, we are down to Doctor Who, Star Trek TNG, Quantum Leap, X-Files, and Farscape. That's it. Farscape loses because no shows with tentacle bearded fucks. What? Your ideas are very random. Hey, that's my job. Oh shit, you're racist. You're racist towards tentacle beards. Tentacle beards and British people. You son of a bitch. Actually, strictly speaking, I think he's homophobic against tentacle beards. Well, you know. That's more of an appendage problem than a color issue. Don't you know that they oppress tentacle beard people? Mandy says, everyone should go Netflix, Red Dwarf, and then continue this debate. I think I actually have it in my Netflix queue as something to watch because one of the actors that was in it is in something else that I love. So now we've got Star Trek Next Generation, X-Files. By the way, Brimstone, I do think everybody should watch it. I have no idea how y'all are going to find it. I'll download it. It's not on DVD. I don't think it exists digitally. Oh yeah, and I have a show. We're nerds. We're touring it. Good luck. Forever Night, the one with the vampire detective. Forever Night, but if we're eliminating Buffy, we're eliminating Angel, we're eliminating Forever Night, and we're probably eliminating Highlander, right? Highlander, that walks that fine line. If you don't consider the second stupid ass movie, it's not Aliens. You're right. It's got to be Magic, dude. So I think we have to include that fantasy. I just want to put it in something for the fantasy show that's coming up. It's the Friday the 13th TV series. Ooh. Which I also eliminated because I eliminated Tales from the Crypt along with Supernatural. I would say that's the fantasy show. And American Gossip was another good one, like that eerie Indiana. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was just joking about Forever Night, guys. Don't get on me. Because, you know. Ed hates vampires. No, people legitimately like Forever Night. No, I mean, people definitely like it. And this whole concept of a detective that can only do crimes or rather solve crimes at night because if you try to solve it at daytime, you blow the fuck up. Why don't you ever get donuts? Well, you know. Which I think, Knight Rider, I think is eliminated too for that because it's basically a detective show because the only really sci-fi sort of interesting element is the car. Although he plays a big role when he talks. I mean, it's a huge part of the show, but it's the only sci-fi thing about the show. Like Michael Knight himself is not a scientific dude. Actually, go back and watch Knight Rider. Just go do that for yourself and see how much you actually like it. Oh, you know what? I still do like it. You know why? I watch it all the time. It's vastly superior to Airwolf. Airwolf is 40 minutes of utter dick suckery. Here's a, here's a, here's a quick question. Compare it to like Mantis. Well, Mantis wins because it's got a black character. Well, they had to make him a cripple. Well, neither of those shows have anything on Manimal All it is is that his tech is a little better and that graduates to a superhero show. See what I'm saying? Is Knight Rider kind of a superhero show where his superpower is having the car? No, it's a detective show. Because Iron Man's a superhero and his only power is having the suit. If he wore the car, we could go there. Yeah, but you're right. He was like physically integrated with the car. If he wore the car somehow that would maybe make it more satisfying. So far it looks like he's just Magnum P.I. with a better head of hair. Yeah, exactly. He's just a hotter car than Magnum P.I. is. If you put, if you put Magnum P.I.'s boss into the car, that would be it. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, because William Daniels is a... So we've got, we've got Star Trek Next Generation, X-Files, X-Files, Quantum Leap, Farscape. Quantum Leap. I think we eliminated... Do we have anybody here that's going to argue strongly for Farscape? Nope. Nope. Farscape is gone. Sorry, Farscape. Sorry, Puppets. Babylon 5 is super gone because it's whack. Wait, what was the second thing? Babylon 5. Babylon 5 sucks. Oh, yeah. And I think we can go ahead and eliminate... What was that one shit we just said? We got Doctor Who, Star Trek Next Generation, Quantum Leap, and X-Files. Okay, Doctor Who gets eliminated because it's British. It's so hard to... Is everybody else okay with... Is that not going to be your flagship show that you're going to argue? How do you feel about Doctor Who? Well, I love the 60s and 80s ones which is what I watched when I was a kid. I didn't... I have not really watched the... It's sort of, you know, it's resurgence of the last like eight or nine years. Let me say this for Doctor Who. Though I enjoyed Doctor Who, I don't feel like... Although I do like David Tennant. I don't feel like the characters are... They're doing cool shit, but there's no growth or... Well, they're very one-dimensional. Yeah, it's real super one-dimensional. Be fair. Did you start on a random episode or did you start at the beginning of the 2005? I started at the beginning of season two. So I can't make that argument because I haven't seen the... Tennant. Tennant. Yeah. So you're still on season one? Yeah. Okay. I'm starting season two like literally this week. And the original... The original and the 80s one is very sort of like the Star Trek original series. It's very, you know, it's very serialized as opposed to episodic. I think you'll like it better, but like going through and especially when he gets a new companion because a lot of people don't like Rose and if you don't like Rose, you're going to enjoy it less until she's gone. Yeah, I'm back and forth with Rose. Sometimes I read it and I don't really like her. Okay, so... I think we have to eliminate Doctor Who. We'll go ahead and cross out Doctor Who. And so we've got TNG versus Quantum Leap versus X-Files. I think X-Files gets eliminated because it was one of them things exactly like, to me, exactly like Lost, whereas it started out as an anthology where it was just sort of, okay, this is the weird case of the week. But it also has that whole through line though with Mulder's sister. I know, but I hate it. I hated the through line. The problem is the one that... The through line was super trash with those fucking bees. Oh, yo, we got these crazy bees. And it also had sort of like that romantic... And the lame-ass greys. Right. And the smoking man. It was... No, it had some sort of... It had some good plot. It had some good stuff in the conspiracy of it, but what it was a conspiracy about, which we never really fucking found out for sure. So if you're annoyed by lack of answers... Whenever we found out that the aliens weren't real, I was like, okay, good, the aliens aren't real. And then you're like, wait, but I've seen aliens on this show from a different planet that were badass. Like the alien bounty hunter is badass. Right. They have aliens on there, but they also have, like I said, they're like, oh, this guy can set people on fire with his mind this week and this and that. It's just too much knowledge. Yeah, I think we have to eliminate X-Files. You're right. They get the same advantage as the show as Outer Limits and Twilight Zone. So now let's talk Quantum Leap versus Quantum Leap. All right, first off, Quantum Leap... You keep talking about my two children. Quantum Leap is amazing. Quantum Leap... It's such a... It's forged into a... It's forged so much... Is it Sam Beckett? I'm getting tingles right now. Sam Beckett forged so much of what... Showed me so much of what I wanted to be as a man. As a person, right. We're talking about somebody who's a scholar who took the time to be an athlete as well. He took the time to learn fucking multiple martial arts. He was like a realistic Batman. He was the guy. He prepared himself with time travel. He was the guy that put himself through all of that. Why? Because he was gonna fucking figure it out. He was gonna go back in time and save his goddamn brother's life. And damned if he didn't do it at the end of season fucking two. Right. And then on top of that, he wore a dress. Yes. I was gonna say he was a monkey. Multiple dresses. But he was amazing. Was it bad that I wanted to be Al? Fucking Al was so awesome. Then the last thing I'll say about that... We only got a minute, guys. We had a minute. It has the best ending of any sci-fi series I've ever seen. For sure. It's fantastic. It's last episode is... So sad. And so good. So strong. And it had Bruce McGill. Right. Several... Like, yeah. Yeah. And I love the whole, like, the anti-Leaper. Oh, that bitch. I love that shit. Oh, my friend and I... I'll have to tell you guys about this off the air. My friend and I had a whole way of how we would bring it back. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. Let's have that conversation off the air. All right, so it's that versus TNG. But honestly, TNG, to me, is probably gonna win that one because it has the advantage of being sort of anthological. Yeah. But it also has the giant history of Star Trek. And it did explore almost every sort of sci-fi issue you can have from the powers of the individual, to the Federation versus, you know, Disorder. The Borg. You know, it just had so... It touched on so many sci-fi shows. And it touches on all the other shows because you always hear mentioned, like, when the war or the Dominion comes from DS9, you hear about that and how the Romulans have entered and haven't entered. You hear about, like... Because Barkley from Enterprise is the one who actually brings Voyager home. Yep. It has so many echoes through all the series. So, I mean, yeah. I would go with Star Trek TNG, me personally. And Quantum Leap is a firm... Please. Firm number two. I sleep in a Quantum Leap t-shirt every once a week and I might have to go with TNG. I, of course, am going to vote for Quantum Leap, but I'm fine if it loses because even if it loses, it still gets to move on the next week. Yeah. We're going to compromise. We're going to take Quantum Leap and Star Trek Next Generation because eventually, later episodes, we're going to compare fantasy shows to sci-fi shows. Thank you guys for listening. Monday, 6 to 7 p.m. Angry Dorks. Good night. Yay. Good night. Watch the X-Ray Rush. Yoda. Why you being a boy you hater? You love us. Hello, this is Mel.