Jillian Lauren discusses harem life and book

I am the worst, most uncoordinated, bad tea juggler ever. Well, no, you're a good tea juggler if she's not moving, but I'm trying to move and you're trying to move with me. And then I'm already panting so that I just clearly need to get out more. Welcome to Flamin' on Ginger. I am Ginger Lynn with Nina Hartley. Yay. And we have Stevie on the other side of the room doing something. Don't know where he disappeared to. We've got a great show and a great lineup for you today. We have Jillian Loren coming in. And Nina, you set this up. This is something I've been really looking forward to. She's got a book out called Some Girls. Some Girls, My Life in a Harem. And she, when she was 21 or so, just had the balls or the wherewithal to go to a whole other country and stay like six months in this totally for us strange environment and come out the other side and doing well. She's currently married and mom of a six-year-old and writing her third book. She wrote a great novel called Pretty, which I really liked about what happens to this. One young woman after a horrific accident that leaves her scarred. And what do you do with, you know, girls are supposed to be pretty. And so what do you do when your physical appearance no longer is perfect? That's a great piece of fiction. It's a fun fiction. Oh, I want to read some of her works. I'm really looking forward to having her come into the studio. Thank you so much for the hookup. You know a lot of really interesting people, Nina Hartley. I like to think, actually, my darling Ernest Green would love to come back next week and talk about his book. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, because we have some paper copies now. I should give you a paper copy. Give me a paper copy. Do you prefer paper or Kindle? I prefer paper. Okay. I'm an old-fashioned girl. I like the paper book. You're an old-fashioned girl, yeah. I want a real paper book. And speaking of old-fashioned, okay, I'm not really 28 like I say that I am. I'm a little bit older. But let's just say that I have 22 years of martial arts underneath my belt. How out of that? 22 years. I haven't done it for the last two years. So I don't count those. But I've had four knee surgeries. I was a stripper. I was a dancer for 13 years. So that's hard on your knees. I also have scoliosis and from doing back flips and back walkovers on the stage in six-inch heels. So I've got some medical things that are going on that happened that just, you know, from doing... It adds up. Being a physical, it's like being a football player. It all adds up over time. It does. It does. And not even to mention all of the times that I was in Cowgirl, the reverse card game. The reverse card girl. Totally, right? In heels, right? In heels. Or that wonderful pile driver that we all love so much. I will not do pile driver because it's so bad for your neck. I've done one in my career. Oh my God. I've done one. I've done one and it was a POV and I swore. Oh, geez. Oh my God. I would never ever. And it's really, it's unflattering to the woman. First, it's painful for your neck. It's bad for your neck. And it's really unflattering because your tits are in your face. Yeah. And your tummy rolls are right there because there's no place to hide. And... You develop extra chins whether you have them or not. Whether you have them or not. Yeah, no. If you don't know what pile driver is, it's basically when the girl is, if she were to stand on her head and then let her... A shoulder stand with her knees bent up to her tits. Yes. It's the most uncomfortable, needless, worthless position ever. Right. Makes absolutely no sense. And the guy has to do lunges. Yeah. He's either doing squats or lunges. And it's just, and it's, I guess it's just all about the whole then. But then you could just like fuck a mattress. Yeah, you could. Yeah, you could. Yeah. So anyway, I wanted to go back to, you know, I've got... 28 years of martial arts. I've got a couple of ailments that I prefer not to take drugs for. Right. You know, I just, I grew up in the 80s. I did my drug days as a... You've shown up to Agent Monde too. Far behind me. Far behind me. But in California, we have our rec cards. And what those are, those are marijuana cards for people who have legitimate medicinal reasons to use. Chronic pain, nausea, glaucoma, asthma. Knee surgeries, scoliosis, migraines, high blood pressure. Yeah. You know, there are a lot of legitimate reasons to use them. And I just happen to have my card. But I'm not a big smoker. No. I'm not a big smoker. I've been a big smoker maybe in high school a little bit. But I have an 18-year-old child, an 18-year-old son who went to an event a couple of weekends ago. And he came back and he said, Mom, I got you this thing. And he holds it up. And I'm holding one up right now. And it looks like... A tiny little lube injector. A tiny little... It looks like a tiny little lube injector. Yes, it does. It would go in your ass. It's from a company called Beehive Concentrates. You can follow them. On Instagram, that's Beehive Concentrates. And what this is, it's a jelly form. It's a concentrated form of CBC or is it CBD? CBD? All I know is THC. I don't know the other compound. Okay. THC is what gets you high. It's CBD. It's for the pain? So the CBD... This has 60% CBD. Oh, okay. It's CBD. That's what's going to take care of the things in your body that are ailing you. And then it's got 40% THC. So these sticks go for about 100 bucks a pop if you were to find them in the store. My son walks up to these people, gets... Purchases a couple of them at a discount rate at an event. Says, you know, these are going to be great for my mom. Brings me one home. And I swear to God, it has been like a lifesaver for me. It's changed... Get out. ...everything. So one dose a day is good for what you need or... I've used it for my knee. Knee. I've used it for... You popped it out again. Before I go hiking, I'll put a little bit under my tongue so that I'm more lubed up. Sure, sure. For lack of a better term. No, no. Joints have lubes. They'll feel fluid. Yeah, so that I'm all lubed up when I go. But for any... It's pretty much any ailment. And so I said to my son, you know, where can I get these? And there's only a couple of them. Okay. And there's only a couple places in... There's two places in Los Angeles that sell them. And the markup is so high, they're about a hundred bucks a pop at these places. Yeah. So my son said, let me see if I can contact them on Instagram. And he did. So the company gets back and says, you know what? We don't normally do this, but because it's your mother, because they're legitimate medicinal purposes, we don't want her to get ripped off. Not that, you know, the place is... Yeah. The place is selling them or ripping them off, but it's such a high markup that what they did was they came to my house. Get out. They delivered me my medicine to my house. Wow. And here's what got me. Here's why I want to talk about them right now is first of all, if you live in a place that it's legal, good for you. It's a wonderful alternative to mainstream medication. Mm-hmm. But what they're doing is they've got something called Concentrates for Cures. It's coming up in a couple of months and they're donating $10,000 to their favorite cancer foundation. Wow. And so I just wanted to give people the little heads up, go to Beehive, follow them on Instagram. I'm not, I don't do Instagram. Beehive Concentrate. Beehive Concentrate or Concentrates. With an S, Concentrates. Beehive Concentrates. Check out their product. If nothing else, just know that they're really doing something good to help people that need it out there and I just wanted to put that out there. Yay. So there you have it. What did you do over the weekend? What did I do over the weekend? Christina Hartley. Well, caught up on my Ray Donovan watching and my Masters of Sex watching and my Game, my True Blood watching because Sunday, now there's so many great shows on Sundays, we titrate them all through the weekend. Yeah. So we had two shows we watched last night. You don't watch a lot of cable TV but what's really got me hot and bothered this year is Ray Donovan, Lee Schreiber. No, I'm not familiar with him. Do you know Lee Schreiber? He's 6'4". No. He's just, so Lee, Ray Donovan is an LA fixer and he's, the character is, women want to be with him and men want to be him. Okay. You know, even though he's tortured beyond belief and he's got daddy issues and anger issues and all kinds of things. It's one of a, awesome show. I've seen the ad for this. I've seen the advertisements for it. What else did we do? What else did we do? So it's really worth it. We have a play date today with our, with a lovely young lady that will come over and play. So I will be cooking dinner for three tonight. Nice. And normally they go home afterwards but she says, I have, my roommate has three girlfriends coming over and can I spend the night because five women in one bathroom is just too much for me. And so I figured I'd let her crash in the dungeon bed. Oh, you're such a giver. Now, how was, didn't you go and do an event? Didn't you do Exotica? Oh, that was, oh, that was, yeah, duh. That was last week. That was last weekend. We missed you. We didn't get to have you in. So yeah, Exotica is Chicago. I had a great time in Exotica. I had not been to Chicago for an event like that for ever, since forever. So that was fun. So for the people who don't know, Exotica was three X's and it is a direct fan convention. So you, the fan, can buy tickets. You can walk in and see all who's there. You can buy, there are head shops there that sell gear. The women sell movies and DVDs and pictures with and I sold my fleshlight. No one bought one but I had it for sale. I have my little statue for sale. So you get to meet your favorite porn stars. You get to get products that are from them. And we actually, so it's a directed, it's a direct, it's a direct, it's a direct, it's a direct. It's a direct to customer buying situation. So unlike the AEE, which is I'm paid to be there, all the autographs are free, the photographs are free. Right. Here, everything's for sale. So picture, you know, you've done it. So picture, pictures with me, you know, one for five, three for 10, you're a camera. I also sell safe sex kisses using the latex sheets you get from. You sell safe sex kisses? I do. Oh, that is so sexy. And what do you put in between? There's something called Glide Dam's G.O.D. Glide Dam's G.L.Y.D.E. It's a brand, Glide Dam's. It's condoms in latex and sheets. I'm going to say five by nine inches. So berry, cola, vanilla and. So you could eat pussy with them. You could lick an asshole. Absolutely. You can kiss, you can make out. Do you have any, any contacts with them? I will. I certainly can. They're, they're, I remember back in the day when I was in Australia last was the first year they showed up. And so because, and it was awesome because that was the first year they showed up. And so, and it was awesome because that was the first year they showed up. And it was awesome because that year I was at a convention in Australia and they have different rules. And so I was able to have a safe cunnilingus with a stranger from the audience, which was awesome. Because, you know, again, so what happens is, so it's a, they pay them. So I sell it by the minute. So it's five bucks a minute. And you'd think only a minute, a minute of French kissing where nothing, you know, it's not going to go any further. Right. And you can't move to that boobies. That's a lot of making out. That's a lot of making out. Because there's no, in real life you kiss, you eye gaze, you kiss, you eye gaze. Right. And you know, 60 seconds of kissing. That's really sexy. So I place it in front of their mouth. I'm holding their face. Right. Keeping it in place. And then once it gets a little bit wet with spit, it feels like it's kissing. You can feel tongue tips touching. You can totally, it's completely. Oh, I want to try that so badly. I will bring in some. I will bring in some next week. Bring them in. And what's nice about it, first it's public. It's as close to sex as they're going to get with me. And I let them, you know, play with my butt cheek. They can squeeze my butt. They can run their hands outside. Yeah. Yeah. They can run their hands outside of my body. And everybody else is watching them too, which is just, you know, crazy. That's such a turn on. So incredibly sexy. And the sweetest one, a gentleman who must have been in his late 70s, an old guy. I mean, small and old and gray. He did it as well. And all the other, I could hear people going, you know, you go grandpa. Yay, you go dude. And it's like, dude, you can, you know what? You pay the money. You can have, you can, you know, he had the nerve to pay the money and he got, he got the kiss. So yay. Good for him. So well done grandpa. You have to have fun. You have to have fun. So well done grandpa. You have to have fun. So well done grandpa. So well done grandpa. So well done grandpa. So well done grandpa. So well done grandpa. So well done grandpa. So well done grandpa. So well done grandpa. So well done grandpa. So well done grandpa. So well done grandpa. So well done grandpa. So well done grandpa. So well done grandpa. So well done grandpa. So well done grandpa. So well done grandpa. So well done grandpa. So well done grandpa. So well done grandpa. So well done grandpa. So well done grandpa. So well done grandpa. So well done grandpa. So well done grandpa. So well done grandpa. So it's a go up three flights of stairs in this nondescript building. They have a living room area, a non-alcoholic bar so you can hang out and talk, and then three playrooms very nicely put together. But the best part of the night, his wife really likes being objectified. She likes wearing hoods and just being a thing and an object. And so the best part of the night was she had the hood on. He had loosely taped her wrist together. She was bound but not to anything but she, you know, just psychologically. Right. And so he's fucking me. He's staying on the floor. He's fucking me on the edge of the table. I have my hand in her pussy up to the wrist. So every time he fucks me, I'm fucking her. So I'm not doing anything. I'm the conduit, you know, and that was pretty hot. I've got that image of that. Oh, yeah. So in the beginning, she is a, I'm going to say she's a bottomless, but she can take a lot. She has an incredibly high tolerance. And so I was fisting her and I, you know, right hand, boom, boom, left hand slide and she was almost like a punching bag. She was like, oh, I'm going to punch you. She's awesome. So she's very, and she just starts coming. And I'm here to tell people, okay, fisting is great. Thumb outside the fingers because I got my hand inside of her with my thumb in and that was on Saturday. The pain in my thumb tendon didn't go away until Tuesday. Oh, no. I thought I had temporary arthritis because I realized. So you don't put your thumb on the inside of your fingers. If you're fist fucking, you go out outside, like you make it, you start that way. Right, you start. And then you go. When you go in, thumb on the outside. Your thumb goes on the outside. Has to be your thumb joint will just go, okay, whatever. I'll hurt for two days. That's really good advice. I would have not known that. Yeah. Well, eventually there's going to be some girl in your bed with your man who's going to say, no way. There's two things I'm thinking. One, I want you to fist me one day on air. Okay. I'd like that a lot. And two, Steve, if you can write both of these things down because I want them for, for next Monday's show. I want to be objectified. I have a bunny mask. Oh, fun. And I've never been objectified as far as I know like that. So it's interesting because people think, oh my God, porn objectifies women. But when we're on a movie, we're fully engaged. We're not, we're not fully subjective. We're right there. So we're not, we're no more objectified in porn than any actor or actress is on, on the screen. No, not at all. And I never, I never bought into that from day one anyway. When people say, were you objectified? I don't even, because it was so not the truth. Thank you. So had nothing to do with what I was doing that it, I, I've, I've just dismissed that. But you know what? I don't, I, I, we've got such a great show lined up for you and today, and I want to move on really quickly. We have Jillian Loren coming in. Is it Lauren or Loren? I think it's Lauren. Lauren, she will let us know. Coming in in the studio. She's just, she's just great. She's just, she is, she's not a professional. I think she was a dancer when she was 20. So it's been many, many years ago. But what's nice about Jillian besides she's an amazing writer, duh, she is our, she has a, she's married to the kid and you know, her husband works, she works. I mean, everyone's busy. And so she's incorporating more date nights into her life. And so she is our civilian support system. So she's someone who really appreciates the role that adult entertainment can play in a marriage. Oh, I love that. So, so she is, she, she is, she's not going to be a celebrity. She's not going to do it herself. She herself doesn't like it that much for herself. But if her husband likes to watch it, it keeps him home. So she has a good attitude about how one can use adult entertainment and how women can not feel victimized by it. My husband's looking at porn. As opposed to, hey, wait a minute. It just can work for me too. Exactly. And so, so she's just clear headed about all this stuff. And she's gorgeous. And I, she looks before with her. I can't wait until she comes in. She'll be in in just a second here. Before we go. Let's bring in Jillian Lauren. I want you to go to the screaming o.com. Really? And I want you to look at my secret vibrating lipstick. It's a mini vibe. Uh huh. But it looks like a lipstick. Disguised as lipstick. Oh, that's so fun. They're really powerful too. It's crazy. It's a discreet mini vibe. It looks just like lipstick. It's super powered with super secret shape. It looks just like lipstick. I'm looking at the picture right now. It looks like a pretty pink lipstick. It really does. It's multifunction motor. It's got low, medium, high and pulsating tease mode. 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Nina Hartley! And... Stevie! And our special guest, welcome so much. Welcome so much? That makes sense. Thank you so much. Welcome so much to my show. It's good to have you here. Thank you. I have so many questions already. And look at all these wonderful things. Thank you so much. We have Jillian Lauren in studio. Look, it has a little... It's got... These are the Screaming O Toys. Finger? That is the fingo. It goes around your finger. And there's the lingo. There's the fingo. There's the ringo. There's the ringo. This is the blingo. Oh! Oh, that's a... Yeah, there's a really good vibration on them. Yeah. For something that only uses watch batteries, it's pretty amazing. But the reason that Jillian's here, I've known her for a few years, and I can't remember how we met, but I did run across her book, which is one of the reasons she's ostensibly here to read from her book, called Some Girls, My Life in a Harem. And when she was 18, she had a baby. She had a baby. She had a baby. She did something that I, only in my fantasies, would have dreamed about, and she actually did it. She went to Brunei for six months? Eight months? For a year and a half. A year and a half. A year and a half. Well, back and forth. That was back and forth. And you were 18 years old. And writes about her time there. Just so you know, guys, there's no giant girl orgies, which is sort of a sad thing. I know. But everything else about it is just fascinating. But people, it's fascinating. That's the summation of all my bad reviews on Amazon, are all like, where are the girl orgies? What happened? Because it's not a porno movie. I thought this was a book about a harem. Because girl orgies and harems are porno. Right. This is real life. I've never been to Brunei. Is it Brunei? It's Brunei. Brunei. Right. I've never been to Brunei, but I have had more orgies with harem girls. Seriously? And sheiks. Really? Really? Oh my God, yeah. Where were you when I needed you? God. Oh my goodness. Like, like, Saudis or sheiks? From where? Sheiks. You know what? They were generic. It's in the film. It was sheiks from the World Wrestling Federation. New Wave Hooker 6. They were the double vaginal penetration sheiks. That's who they were. And I know. Well, one thing about double vaginal, one thing about double vaginal penetration. Don't do it. Don't do it. It hurts. No, no. One thing about double vaginal penetration, the girl makes it not get. It's a vagina, not an anus. I don't even think about the gay part. I think about the two giant cocks in my tiny little pussy. And in my fantasy, it was such a turn on. It was so amazing. In real life, I couldn't fit them both in. And one would pop out and it was hard and it hurt. I mean, I can't even imagine the logistics of that. It's just, you know, well, I figured, you know what? I had a baby. I'm going, you know what? I can pop out and put a couple of dicks in there. I can pop out a kid. And then I remembered I had a C-section. So I fucked the whole thing up. All right, Jillian Lauren, but you on the other hand now, you look like the girl next door. Where are you from? I am the girl next door. I'm the Jewish girl next door from New Jersey. I was a nice Jewish girl from New Jersey. And I just had poor boundaries. High five. High five. I don't know if I would call them poor or not. You know what? They were your boundaries at the time. And your boundaries at the time are your boundaries. I don't know if they're poor or bad or good or wonderful. You know, it depends on who's looking at them. And I would never think that your choices were bad ones. But I haven't read your book and don't know your whole story. But for me, it's a fantasy that you made come true, that you lived out. So how did you go from the girl next door in New Jersey to an 18-year-old that's in Brunei for a year and a half with, I'm going to, with... Sultan. Is there... Well, I was actually... The Sultan or are there a bunch of them? Are they... No, it's the Sultan. The Sultan. But the Sultan himself was not my boyfriend. His youngest brother, Prince Jeffrey, was my boyfriend. So you had an actual boyfriend? It was an actual boyfriend. Yeah. I mean... Wow. I mean, you... Within... You all... You all had one boyfriend. In this context. Right. Right. So in this context, which was fairly surreal, which I think that you two ladies can probably relate to. No, you totally... She brings it alive. What really gets me... So there's an X number of you, one of him, and you just hang around being ready in case you were the one he wanted that day? Well, okay. So there were these parties every night. And at the parties, there were, like, about 30, give or take, beautiful women from all over the world. And they weren't all there for the prince. The prince also had an entourage. And they were there sort of as couch decorations, as eye candy. And then he had certain favorite girls. And these girls were... Now, when you say the prince, this is your prince. Because there's a bunch of princes, right? This is her prince, yeah. Well, there were four. So there were four princes, right? So there's one royal family. And there are four brothers in this royal family. And at the time, the Sultan of Brunei was the richest man in the world. Right. So this is... This is his youngest brother who was sort of a notorious playboy. He was, like, the bad boy of the family. Which are always the ones that are the most fun. The womanizer, the guy who, you know, had 500 Lamborghinis and Ferraris. Really, for real, he did. And how old is the younger brother? He was 36 at the time. I was 18. So I think he was very old. He was very old and distinguished. And, you know, and I'm a sucker. I'm a sucker for a good story. And I'm a sucker for a bad boy. I certainly did not invent that. And he was all of those things. So he was, like, the charming villain. Okay. And how does the charming villain find the girl next door? Well, I went to a casting call, which was supposedly to go and entertain rich businessmen in Singapore. So, I mean, I didn't think this was a completely legitimate endeavor. And like Nina said, I was already stripping. At the time, it's not. I was, I didn't, there was some, there were some middle steps. You weren't the babe in the woods. Right? So there was a bridge. It wasn't like the week after high school graduation. Or the West Coast. I was from the East Coast. You were on the East Coast. Right. So I was living in New York. And I left home when I was 16. And I went to college a year early. So I went, I went to theater school at NYU when I was, you know, had just turned 17 years old. So I had very few life skills, very few. Very few emotional tools. We wouldn't know anything about that. That ain't a thing. No, we knew it all. Right. No, but you know, this is what's so wonderful. And here we said how long later. Yeah. This is what's so wonderful is, you know, I was just talking to Nina about this earlier that I really feel like, like voices that come more from the margins of the culture can offer so much. Like they can offer so much freedom and so much perspective to people from all ranges of experience. So that's, that's the reason really why I wrote my book because I was like, okay, most people have not lived in a harem. Most people have not had this exotic sort of experience, but I can speak to shame, you know, and I can speak to regret and I can speak to loneliness, loneliness, isolation, right? Fish out of water. And you speak to pleasure. Can you speak to enjoyment? Can you speak to the thrill of a lifetime? Can you speak to those places as well? Sure. Because to me, I'm looking for the fantasy in this still. I'm going. And it was there. I mean, it absolutely was there. It was just very complex. Yeah. You know, so it wasn't like, it wasn't the Disney fantasy, but, you know, he was this incredibly powerful man. Was he good looking at all? And he was handsome. Oh, thank goodness. He is handsome still to this day. You know, I used to look at him and I'm like, yeah, he's so cute. Like I see where you're going. He really is a big bonus. It's a total bonus. And, you know, I mean, he was commanding and he, you know, the first time that I slept with him, you know, he showed up in his full like prince attire. You know, there were like medals on his chest. Oh, fun. Okay. Weird hat. The hat was not the hottest. It wasn't the hottest hat. But if you just looked at the medals and not the hat. Right. It's fucking hot. It's like something out of a movie. It was hot. It was something out of a movie. And it was, it was something, you know, I've always been someone who craved an experience that is exceptional. That is, you know, this is something that you've never seen before or couldn't even possibly imagine. And also, you know, I saw myself as like kind of an anthropologist of the underbelly of the culture. So... An anthropologist of the underbelly of the culture. I like it. I love that. You know that... I mean, because I've always been a writer and I've always been an observer too. So it's like I was participating in it, but also I was always a watcher. Right. And this was a fascinating thing, both to participate in and to watch. And you know, I did derive pleasure from it. But it wasn't... It wasn't how I understand pleasure now in my body. Because I was not in my body. in my body. Because I was not in my body. Because I was not in my body. Because I was not in my body. Because I was not in my body. a fascinating thing, both to participate in and to watch. And, and, you know, I did derive pleasure from it, but it wasn't, it wasn't how I understand pleasure now in my body because I wasn't very connected to my body, like as an energetic thing, as a physical thing, as an orgasmic thing, as a, you know, I was more, I was more interested in power, the thrill, the conquest, the ego, the ego, the ego stroking. Of all the beautiful girls in the world, they picked you. There are a lot of pretty 18 year old, there are a lot of beautiful 18 year old girls in the, in New York who probably would have said yes to a big, they, they chose you. So there's certainly some validation there. Right. But you weren't alone with him, but a few times. No, I was alone with him a lot. Oh, cool. I was alone with him a lot. I read the book when I first got it. It's been a while. Yeah. I remember that one time in the cold office where they just left you. The cold office, that was the first time. No towel, no bathroom. No bathroom. I was sort of like, no hostage. No tray of mint. This was the first time that you had sex with them. Right. So what happened was, so I went to Brunei and I wasn't exactly sure what was going to happen there. But I knew that there would be these parties. I was being invited to be a party guest. And then that was exactly what happened. We stayed in this palace. It was a walled compound. We never left. And, you know, always under armed guard. I did. I mostly had my own room. Sometimes I shared with people. And so for the first two weeks there, that's exactly what I did. I just was a party guest. And I was like, well, I guess maybe that is actually what I was hired to do. And I think I'm going home just having been this party guest. And all my bags were packed. You were bored. And I was ready to go. You wanted more than that. Well, I mean, he was, he was a prize. Yeah, for sure. You know, he really was. And of course, I wanted him to notice me. Of course. And he didn't. You know, he didn't. Like the first two weeks, I just felt invisible. I mean, treated very respectfully, very politely. We had fun. We danced. We sang. We drank. But you wanted more. You wanted to conquer that. I did. I mean, I wouldn't say I wanted it so actively that I was really trying for it. I was also scared of it. I didn't really know what it meant. You were going to go. I was ready to go home. My bags were packed. And that morning, the next morning, we started to go home. We were going to go home. We were going to go home. We were going to go home. We were going to go home. We were going to go home. We were going to very late. Right. Because we were at these parties till three, four in the morning. And nine o'clock in the morning, knock on the door and I open it. My bedroom door. We're in these guest houses. Right. Right. And it's a guard, an armed guard. And he says, go get dressed and put on no tall shoes. You see, it was pretty short. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. How tall are you? And no makeup, which of course we all know means plenty of makeup. Oh, is that what it means? I would have shown up with no makeup. I would have shown up with no makeup on. Got it. It's the no makeup makeup. Do no makeup makeup. Yes. Yes. Yes. Got it. Got it. Now I understand, but I would have not known. How did you know to do that? Because I. You'd seen the other girls. Because I always do no makeup makeup. Got it. Yeah. That's how I live. Got it. Okay. Now I'm like, I'm no makeup. Ginger and I are like, no makeup, no makeup. Not the no makeup makeup. It's like, no, no, no makeup. Well, you have a different confidence level. You know, I think that. You're 18. No, no. So the first time was, must have been. For a euro to really go no makeup. But you know what? Anyway. No makeup makeup. In the dark, you can't tell. That's what I always say. I know. Why did they put these new lights? I know, right? We're looking at it. It's like, wow, could it be harsher? Okay. Anyway, so back to, so nine o'clock, knock on the door. I'm no makeup makeup. I'm no makeup makeup. I'm no makeup makeup. Knock, knock, knock, get dressed. No tall shoes, no makeup. And then they put me into this Mercedes with dark tinted windows and spirited me through the streets of Brunei. You know, we were, we were out in the middle of the rainforest. It's Southeast Asia. Right. You know, and it's not a desert. It's not a desert. It's a rainforest. Very humid, you know, tons of flowers, everything. Sounds beautiful. It was beautiful. If you could see it through the, so I guess it wouldn't, they didn't allow you to crack the window to look out or anything like that. No, we, we, I mean, we were all about on the property. So there were swimming pools and tennis courts and a gym and you know, it was really, it was crazy. It was okay. Crazy. Yeah, it was okay. It was, it got really boring. I understand. It actually did get boring. I always feel like kind of a twat saying that, but it did. No, but don't have, you feel like reading? Like, cause right now my mother is six and a half year old. So I'm like, please, Jesus, like please take me to somewhere with two swimming pools and a tennis court and a gym where I don't have to do anything. And someone brings me food. Awesome. The hell was wrong with me? That's all. That's hindsight. So the first, so was it, I know the first time. You're in the car, you get dropped off. Okay. So taken to a, an office building where then I was like handed off to another guard, taken to this office, shut in this office. What did you wear? I was like in a sundress. Okay. It wasn't, it wasn't an evening gown. It was just, you know, simple. A little, little day dress. Yeah. I mean, Age appropriate. Age appropriate day dress. Age appropriate to an 18 year old's harem girl. He sort of preferred, I don't know, he preferred like simpler, more conservative look. I don't know. And I have always been more that way. So, um, Anyway, I, uh, I waited there and there were like pictures of his family, of his wives, of his children. And I had to pee so badly and there was no, there was no unlocked doors. All, all the doors were locked. Like I was considering peeing in the trash can. It was freezing cold. It was like 50 degrees. I was out. It was so cold. And he liked everything freezing cold. It was like David Letterman. Didn't that make his dick really small though? Wouldn't that make his dick really small? So, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well but he wasn't even very funny. Oh, dear. But anyway. Did he speak English? Yes. He spoke beautiful English, and he was quite, is quite bright, and, you know, was educated at Oxford, and also had this real darkness about him, like a hunger, a kind of, you know, dissatisfaction that I really related to. For sure. He's stuck in a prison, too. He's the number four son. Nothing's going to happen to him. He's, what can he do with his wife? Well, there was one point, I mean, I'm jumping ahead right here, because we're still stuck in the cold, locked office. Locked office. And you have to pee. I mean, to pee. But, you know, much later, I mean, there was this point at which I was just like, can we just go somewhere? Like, can we just, you have all the money in the world. Can we just get a plane right now to Thailand and go lie on the beach? I'm like, we don't even need anything. Buy clothes when we get there. Who gives a shit? Can we just leave? And that was so just not even in his conception of the world. There was no leaving. There was no. There was no. Oh, really? There was no imagining of a life that was beyond these. His obligation. Really strict confines. Like, you can buy anything you want. You can buy all the cars you want. You can buy all the women you want. You can buy all the houses you want. But there's no freedom. Now, why are they not allowed to fly and go anywhere? They can. They can fly and go anywhere they want. They just go with, like, an entourage and guards. And, you know, it's like the president of the United States doesn't just get in a plane and decide he wants to go to Costa Rica and go see some monkeys. You know? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He just can't. You know, it's not within his world. Right. So, anyway. And the same thing as no responsibility. So, it's freezing cold. And that, I think, made him sad and made him hungry. Sure, sure. You know? So, it's freezing cold. You need to pee. It's freezing cold. You need to pee. I waited there for four hours. With no books, nothing to do. No books. No nothing. I'm going crazy. It's too cold to take a nap. One thing, if it's hot and stuffy. I did wind up taking a nap. That's exactly what I wound up doing. You know, I was, like, going through creative visualizations in my head. I was like, I'm on a beach. C'est moi. He shows up. Eventually, the door opens. Well, what happened, so I fell asleep. And, like, curled in a tiny ball and, like, some Louis XIV. And, uh, and I was awakened by the door opening. And it was him. And he was standing there, like I said, in, like, full print attire. He was also the minister of finance at the time. So, you know, he was a busy guy. He was actually busy embezzling $9 billion. It turned out later. That takes a lot of time. It takes... A hundred grand here. A lot of something. A hundred grand there. It just doesn't happen over and over again. It doesn't happen over and over again. It doesn't happen overnight. No. No. He embezzled a lot of money. But at that time, none of that had shaken out yet. The first six zeros made with that seven zero, that's a Lulu. A Lulu. Anyway, so I looked up and I was like, oh, I felt this surge of gratitude because he had rescued me from this room that he had locked me in in the first place. You know, I was like, total Patty Hearst. Like, give me the gun. And, uh, you know, and I was just like, I think I love you. And... That's hilarious. I didn't have much experience with love at the time. But that is, that is what I thought. And, uh, and that was true for me then. Um, and, uh, and he was like, let me, let's, let's go to the other room. There's another room? There's another room that was magically then unlocked. And the other room is like the most porno bedroom. But probably not that you have ever seen, but that I had certainly ever seen. I had never seen. It was like mirrors on the wall. Awesome. Like fur bedspread. That's a porno bedroom. It's a porno bedroom. Yep, yep. That's a porno bedroom. That's a porno bedroom. And then I remember, there was this, there's this solid gold chess set in the middle of it. And I'm like, no one's playing chess in here. I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure. Do you let you pee first? Celia Loren is our guest right now. What's your website? Her book is Some Girls. Some Girls. Some Girls, My Life in a Harem. And also Pretty, my novel, another book. And you can find them both anywhere. And my website is jillianloren.com. You can find me on Twitter, at Jilly Loren. At Jilly Loren. Follow her today. We are so happy to have you here. So he comes in, you go into the other room, you go into the porn room. We go into the porn room. You've got the chess set made of gold. No one's playing chess. No. If you let you pee first. Yes. He lets you pee. Yeah. All the more than to bond you to him. Yeah. Yeah. And then it was like, you know, his cologne was in there. So then it was like, I knew what cologne he wore. And, you know, and somehow all these things, all these like crumbs seemed so intimate to me because of this. You know, you're in this context and all of a sudden your whole world changes. We're these very adaptable creatures. Yes. Were you frightened? I was. I mean, I think there were a couple times I was very frightened. And one time was in that room. And what were you frightened of? Were you frightened of? Well, I didn't know. I was just like, oh my God, am I about to be sex trafficked onto a bare mattress in Bangkok and like shot up with heroin? Or, you know, I didn't know or killed or anything. Who would be culpable? Who would know one? Who would know where you were? Yeah. I mean, there were a couple of people who knew the truth. My parents, they just didn't know the truth. Not in the beginning. They thought I was acting in a movie in Singapore. Poor, poor dears. That's another. The stories we tell our parents at that time. Yes. Yeah, no. Not that Nina and I can relate to any of that. Oh, no, no. Lying to my parents about what I'm doing. Oh. Never would occur to me. Yeah. No. But, you know, I thought that. And then, then there was another time when I thought I was going to be taken to the Penthouse suite where, when I was on a business trip, I was like, I'm going to be with the prince later. And I knew, you know, I had been staying with him. So I knew where he was staying. And, and they took me to the roof instead. And, and when I saw the guard press the button for the roof, I was like, wow, why would they possibly be taking me to the roof? Yeah. What could be on the roof? And, you know, my head was racing. Like, I know too much. I heard too much. I heard something I wasn't supposed to hear. They're going to throw me off the roof. You know, my head was racing with the headlines. Yeah. Hello. What headlines? American teen dies in a drug deal gone wrong or something. And, and then actually there was a helicopter on the roof. Oh. Yeah. Gee whiz. Wow. Wow. All right. So back to the initial room. It's your first time. You're with the prince. I know I have nowhere to rest my hands because I have all these cock rings. You're nervous. You're excited. You're petrified. You're turned on. Yeah. Are you, I have so many questions for you guys. I'm like, what's a pile driver? I don't even know. The most uncomfortable and unflowering sex edition known to women. But I don't know how long you can stay. I'd have you here forever. But she does have, you have some places marked off in your book. Do you want me to read? I can actually, can we do that? Yes. Yes. How long can you stay with us? I can stay whenever. Oh, yay. Wonderful. Yeah. Then let's, let's keep, let's wait till after our next break. Okay, good. And let's, so we can finish the story a little bit. Yeah, we'll, we'll come. He's not even naked yet. I know, I'm waiting. I want to, I want to, I want to see his dick. I want to know what kind of lover he was. I want to know what it was like. The kind of lover he was, was, you know, he was somebody who was so entitled that, you know, you take off your clothes in front of him and you just feel like, I don't know. I think that women want to feel like it's a gift to take off your clothes in front of somebody, you know, like that, like that there is a matter of like, that there's something like marvelous. There's some level of gratitude. There's something, you know, with him, I was just like, yeah, sure. And what else you got? What else you got? What else you got? And I was like, oh shit, I can also tap down. I think I was 18. I know, what the hell do you know? Naked is enough. I'm here. Is that enough? Like I wasn't even slutty in high school, nothing. I was like, I think I heard about this thing. I think I heard about this thing. Oh my God. And, you know, so he, you know, he, he was not like the most giving lover, but, but he was very commanding and he was very sort of suck my dick. He was very suck my dick and very, you know, but he wasn't mean. So commanding would not be mean. Not mean. No, not mean at all. You know, with the exception of like, there were a couple times when I felt like that I had displeased him in some way that I, you know, I felt like that there were a couple of fucks that felt like they were meant to make you feel kind of bad. Yes. You know, we've never had those fucks ever. Did you find that you gave like the best blowjobs you've ever given? Did you get more creative? Did you find that you wanted to please him? Like that I worked so hard. Yes. I don't know. I mean, do you ever give the best blowjobs because you're working so hard to give them? No, I think you give the best blowjobs because you're inspired. You know, so I would say, no, I did not give the best blowjobs of my life, but good enough. Exactly. Well, no, there's a blowjob that's technically proficient and there's one with feeling. I mean, I probably learned a lot. I'm sure you did. You know. And your subsequent partners are probably very grateful for something they don't know that they're grateful for. But I don't know. I'm kind of a romantic. You know, I really think that are you a romantic? You're a romantic too? You know what I am. Yeah, you are. You are. When you're in love, it's all mush all the time. I'm a big mush ball, but I'm a very submissive kind of a girl. And so I understand because in my day-to-day life, I'm in control, in charge. I have to take care of this and that and the other. And there's always something that I'm taking care of. And I can get up in the morning and plan my day and know that it's going to be this way and everything will change and I have to go with it. But I always have to be the one in control. So when it comes to my life, my sexual partner, my lover, my man, I want him to be the one that walks in the room and just commands the attention and just makes me want to drop to my knees and suck his dick and makes me, you know, that he's just, I want to give it all over to him. Right. So I completely understand the feeling that you had. And there's a turn-on factor. Like my pussy will get wet. If I'm giving you a good blowjob, my pussy gets wet because I'm giving you a good blowjob. Yeah. I mean, that was the entirety of the pleasure, the sexual pleasure I got from that relationship was because I like to please people. You know, and that is actually, that's sexually pleasurable for me. I agree. Yes. But now, you know, I know that there's a balance. Well, also your inter-mutual relationship and, you know, you can't, 18 to the age you are now, you just can't, you can't fathom it. Right. You know, I mean, there's, what the hell did I know? I think of myself at 18. All I knew at 18 was stuff that's still true. I'm bisexual. I'm exhibitionistic. I'm non-monogamous, et cetera. None of it was working properly, but my sensual sexual nature was pretty much set. And now, since then, it's just been not manifesting it better, but just getting more integrated so that I don't waste the blowjob on someone who's not going to appreciate it. Right. I don't waste blowjobs on assholes anymore. And I used to... That should be a bumper sticker. No more BJ for assholes. Don't waste blowjobs. Blowjobs on assholes. Ladies, make this your personal motto. Jillian Lauren in studio with us. In your book, Some Girls, My Life in a Harem, do you talk about details? We're going to have you read a few excerpts in a few minutes when we come back, but do you talk about things like, you know, the prince liked his butthole licked? Do you get... I want to know. Curious minds want to know. Curious minds want to know. I don't. I don't go into that much detail in the book. And I would not even have begun to be so presumptuous as to lick the prince's asshole. I mean, really. That was really... He would have had to... He was so... You know, there was such an intense power dynamic. Did he even touch his balls? Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah. There's balls and then it's behind the balls like the whole other territory. Like a fist. Like a fist. I can be sure that my husband is not listening to this right now because he's in the... He's in the car with my son. Got it. And that's the only thing that's saving me. Got it. But, I mean, for sure, you know, the prince did like his tushies for sure on the girls. He likes the girls' tushies. Right on. He liked the girls' tushies. You know what? Your husband is safe because this is way before you met him. I know, but he doesn't... He didn't read the book. He doesn't like to hear about it. I mean, he's incredibly supportive. Incredibly supportive. The book never would have been written without him. No details, please. No details, please. Right? I understand that. I understand that. I don't care. Personally, I don't care. It was a whole other life and a whole other... About hearing about him or what? It's a lifetime ago. Literally, it's 18... It's half your life ago. Yeah. It's like, you know what? It's okay. It's a long time ago. Yeah. Exactly. It doesn't bother me hearing details about people I'm with about other lovers because I always feel like if I want to know you, I want to know you. I want to know what you like. I want to know who you like. I want to know who you loved. I want to know what you did. And there's a reason, especially if they're not as cute as you are or they had, you know, like just something that you're going, I don't know that. Yeah. Just something you can really criticize a lot, like a Cyrix girlfriend at the supermarket and she really just feels the need to show her vagina everywhere she goes. Right, right. That would be me. The shortest skirt. Jillian Loren in studio with us. Jillian, is it Loren or Lauren? It's Lauren. It's Lauren. Jillian Loren in studio with us. I'm Ginger Lynn with... Nina Hartley. And... Stevie. 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Can you bring the fantasies of escape into your marriage? Like fantasize about being a prostitute or fantasize about being, you know, can you, can you bring that into your own bedroom? And that has always been really helpful to me. And also like I try to eroticize just what's there, you know, if we're like exhausted and my husband's watching the game, I'm like, all right, well now I'm a Midwestern housewife. And I'm going to give you a handjob. Exactly. I'm going to give you a handjob while you're watching the game. That's the way to fit in. That's the way to make, to incorporate it. When you're doing the laundry, you were just saying, you know, I get so tired of doing the laundry. Right. One of the things that they say that really brings you closer is if you do chores together and my man, he will come in with me while I'm hanging clothes and, and just stand there with me. And, and put something on a hanger and hang it over here and do this over there. And I can't tell you how many times that's led to sex where he's sat me up on the dryer and licked my pussy or bet me over the dryer and fucked me from behind. So it, or when I've been doing dishes, he's come up from behind, move my hair to the side, bit the back of my neck and bet me over the sink. Now you've got small children. I've got an 18 year old, which is worse. Worse. That's way worse. Way worse. Because we can still like get away with it. Yeah. No, no. I'm thinking, okay, the car's gone. I can hear him leaving. He's gone. Yes. We start fucking. I'm like, no, no, that's not the car pulling up. It's not the car pulling up. Pull up your pants. No, but I mean, you have to, you have to eroticize what's there. You have to be able to, to do that because otherwise I think, I mean, if you value your relationship, relationship, you value your marriage, if you value your family. And also there's no, people think, well, you know. I, I'll get around to sex when this, this, this is in place. No, no, no. And it's all perfect when we have an hour and a half. Like you're not going to have an hour and a half until three months from now on Saturday. Or you set your alarm for 3.30 in the morning, you know, and you do. Yeah, I'm not doing that. No, no. High five. I set my alarm early in the morning. I'm not giving up my sleep for any day, any time. No, no, no. I'm with you there. But it's also. And so Jillian and I have to say first. And I know Ginger is not the only one like her, but there is a, I'm going to say 20% of women whose bodies are like yours with a little kiss and a hug and how you doing. Most of the time, sex is a good idea for you. Thank you, sweet pea. And most of the. Love you all. Love you too, honey. And most of the time, not only is sex a good idea for her, but her body goes, yeah, me likey. And you know, I'm going to have at least one or two orgasms off of this. You and I was like, I can have sex six times in six days in a row and not have an orgasm. I can still enjoy it. But what makes it enjoyable is not. Having the pressure of coming. Right. Right. Right. Your body just goes, I come here is good. You know, I want here too. You know what? This is a good time for, you know, so that's why Ginger is such an amazing partner for people like me. Cause you feel like, so you feel like, I am, I am so the bomb. I'm the best lover ever. It's like, oh, she just does that. I think that's a, it's such an important point because, you know, I mean, I was just saying that. I think that porn is actually really good. I think that porn is good for relationships or can be good for relationships. And I think a lot of women need to, to get behind it. It can be so good for your marriage. That doesn't mean you have to like watch it or get into it, but just like to give a little permission around it. But I do think it creates a little bit of an unreasonable expectation of female orgasm. Absolutely. You don't have to have a little. You're so kind. You don't have to have porn sex. Just like let up on the ladies. A little bit. Give them a little room. So gentlemen listening to this. So if your partner, if you didn't, if your ego is not invested in her getting off each time, would she then relax and be more sexual with you more often? If your orgasm trigger is lower and you can have a quickie in 10 minutes and she is like most women takes 20 to 30 minutes, ginger excluded. I'm sorry. No, no. It was awesome. No, you give us hope. You did like five minutes? Oh, easy. Oh, I can have an orgasm. I could sit here and pull this chair back and hump the edge of it. The edge of the chair. Yeah. Pull the chair and come in 30 seconds. That's just a physiological thing. Yeah, exactly. And I've been doing it since I was like four or five years old. But what's amazing is that here she's a Midwest girl, Illinois, and in the Bible belt, but it didn't, her body overrode whatever messages she may have gotten about sex. Right. And basically said, eh, bullshit. And seriously, and my great, my great grandfather on my mother's side was a Southern Baptist minister, hell and damnation, holy roller, the whole thing. And I just, I called bullshit very, very young, very, very early on the whole thing. I had this, I want to take this next caller, but I have this uncle and I remember sitting in church and, you know, grandpa, grandpa David, who had said, you know, you're going to, Jesus, you know, I talked to him last night and he said this and he said that, you know, if you don't do this, you're going to do that. And, you know, you're just, he's telling me all these things and, and, and then I'm watching, you know. My, my uncle James, I won't say his last name, walk up the aisle and he's crying and he's going, carrying on and he's having a fit and he gets to the front and he's up there with the preacher and he's like with, with my grandpa and I fucked this. He didn't say I fucked, but you know, I was, I was intimate with so-and-so and I did this and I did that and I did, and I'm thinking he said that last Saturday or last Sunday and he said it the Sunday before. And everybody in the church would cry with him and they'd all apologize, you know, they'd all get down and forgive him and it would be okay. And he did this like every weekend. So I'm thinking, so basically I can do anything I want as long as I get out there and tell everybody. So why don't I just do whatever I want as long as I'm not hurting anybody and put it out there and say, that's like the Catholic, right? And say fuck you to everybody. Joey. Hello, my name is Joey. I'm a Christian. I'm a male natural sexy goddess. How are you today? I am fan fucking tastic. How are you baby? I'm just great. I just pulled into this plan. I'm going to load that and I've been listening to the show and I wanted to add a comment. You know, as we get older, we're, we're no longer in control of the time of our sexual sessions. Our body and mind have taken control off because the more turned on you are, the more insatiable you get. Oh that. It kind of goes in trends, you know? I mean, when we were younger, we could just knock one out and now it's like we have to feed on it a little bit before we become satisfied. It's true. It's true. We're animals now. We just grew into this insatiable need as we get older. And once we satisfy the need, then it's pretty much, you know, back to just huddling or kissing or hugging before it goes into that insatiable mode again. You know? You know, and what I do is I gather up little, little pieces of information that I use for my sexual reel. So I've got my little, you know, there's times when it's just working for me and it's all perfect and it feels good. I'm just doing it. And then there's other times where it's not, it feels good and it's awesome, but it's not quite where I'm not the insatiable ginger that everybody thinks of all the time. So I have all these little reels in my head and I gather them. That's when you're being the giver. That's when you go from being the chaser to the giver. That's when you go from being the giver to the giver. You know, you're not just being the chaser to the giver because you know, your needs you're done and what you're doing, you're trying to please your partner now. I do both. I do both. It's an unconscious type of thing. Once you get our age, you know, you just, you don't do things on impulse. You do things on compassion. You know what? That's very, very true. That's very true. There are a lot of times when- That's beautifully put. Yes, absolutely. And now I know why you didn't call me a Sunday. You were all looking at me. You were all looking at me. You were all looking at me. You were all looking at me. You were all looking at me. I'm so lubricated, as you said earlier. Yeah, I'm sorry about that. Also beautifully put. I love you. I'm always there whenever you need me. You're awesome, Joey. Thank you so much for the phone call, honey. And I'll tell you what, this is a great show Monday. I enjoy my Mondays more than any day of the week because I love to listen to you and Nina. Y'all have such a great working relationship. Y'all are just- We do. We have true mutual regard because I think that's the best thing I've ever heard. I love it. I love it. So much fun. So much fun. So much fun. So much fun. So much fun. So much fun. So much fun. So much fun. So much fun. So much fun. So much fun. So much fun. So much fun. So much fun. So much fun. So much fun. So much fun. So much fun. So much fun. So much fun. So much fun. So much fun. So much fun. So much fun. So much fun. So much fun. So much fun. So much fun. So much fun. So much fun. of that ability is based on the fact that no matter what they were told about pleasure the body always said you know what we're good right so if i have a difficult orgasm so it takes me a long time to get there and i have a lot of really crazy fantasies if i'd also on top of that had to fight hell damnation fire and brimstone how would that have manifested my body my orgasm wasn't so strong that would have pushed me through it and said i don't need right you're wrong i would think struggled much more much more with am i wrong i think that it's hereditary and i think that it's a really tough struggle but i think that the ability to have here was one of the creepiest moments of my entire life i was with my dad and we had just come we'd gone to my mother's house and my mother's just she's a certified um she's been diagnosed as a she's a sociopath oh wow so she's she's really got you know she's a sociopath issues and she did one of her she did one of her little things that she did and and i was walking back toward my dad's motorcycle to get on the back of the bike and i'm crying and tears are running down my face and he's like what happened i told him and i got on the back of his bike and we're riding around and and you know it was just like okay that's it i'm done i can't try anymore and my dad out of the blue he goes you know your mom squirted she was a squirter and and! you know your mom's a squirter oh my god and it was one of those out of the blue things and so i really think that that people who have strong sexual needs and desires and that start doing you know humping the couch when you're four the couch when you're four and using the water when you're lying in the bathtub and there's water trickling down to your face and you're like oh well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well well this one feels better this is good I picked this one and I did this at a very very young age when I didn't know any better and so I think that your natural instinct is to go with what feels better but also to know what's right and wrong and I felt with all my heart that there was nothing wrong even though I was being told different right with that ability that ability to listen to your body over what adults were telling you is this really huge most people don't make that separation until the third bad marriage or or that you know whatever and so maybe their first orgasm that's a big difference because I had my first orgasm at a very young age and I thought it was the best thing in the entire fucking world this was just insane how good this felt this is what I wanted to do all day every day and I did you're so good you're so good you're so good you're so good I love you I did I go to school and you know I used to I was such a geek and my the grandma what the grandma do the grandma in between the anyway the whole religious side of the family used to make me these really awful smock tops and so they were they were dresses when I was in kindergarten when I was in third grade they were smock tops right so in kindergarten in my corn my desk I'd walk in and everybodies talking in the bell hasn't wrong yet lift up my dress put my pussy right on the edge of that desk and just start humping away my son is a friend like that like I've noticed that certain kids are more humpy than other kids I wasn't very humpy kids but I do think that I've seen some very like cuz I also am a very spiritual person like well well well well well well well well well well well spiritual person. And I really think that, that, that, that the sexual impulse and the spiritual impulse, like I don't, very close, so closely wedded, you know, they just like separate and converge, separate and converge for me. And I've seen this trend, but I'm also a fairly non-traditional person, but I've also seen this trend in some of my more traditional, conservative, religious friends that because I'm, I'm involved in the adoption community and the mom blogging community, I know a lot of Christian bloggers and, and that there is this trend toward, like there was in the month of February last year, like all these moms were like, I'm going to have sex with my husband every single day this month. It's February, it's Valentine's Day, we're being, and I'm like, that's fantastic. That's healthy. Yeah. You know, and, and that they are, you know, like within their religious framework, finding a way to be sexual and be intimate. And to me, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's incredibly encouraging. One thing, one thing that religion does for people who are true believers is that this is my anointed partner. We get to do anything we want because we're married and it's okay. And that gives them a lot of freedom because there's the yes, no, the before marriage and after marriage, after marriage, all bets are off because we're married and we have God's approval for whatever it is we do to keep our marriage strong. It's like right on. Yay. Right. Fun. Yay. Fun. And there's a couple of people who've written books that had sex every day for a year. And I think I read something in GQ or, about had, they had sex every day for a month. And just when you realize instead of sex having to be the special thing every time, it's like, okay, it changes and grows. It ebbs and flows over time. This is a really emotional, passionate moment tonight. Wow. It's amazing. This was more like scratching an itch. Right. This is like the In-N-Out burger. This is the gourmet five course. That's really interesting. I think, you know what, Nick, honey, if you're listening, let's, let's do this. Let's start August 1st and have sex every single day and, and see how that goes. Jenny. I've never managed to do it, but I have actually thought about it. Jenny and Andy should try to do it. I don't know men my age who want sex that often. Honestly. I can talk my man into it. Oh, you pay. Yeah. Mine's kind of good to go. My husband is 60. My husband is 60. He doesn't need sex five days a week. Right. He just, he doesn't. Ideally we, you know, we had nothing else to do with our time. We probably do it, you know, at least twice a week. We'd have five days a week. So every night we have five solo dates a month. So every night we have five dates a month. So every night we have five dates a month. So every night we have five dates a month. So every night we have five dates a month. So every night we have five dates a month. So every night we have five dates a month. So every night we have five dates a month. So every night we have five dates a month. So every night we have five dates a month. So every night we have five dates a month. So every night we have five dates a month. So every night we have five dates a month. So every night we have five dates a month. So every night we have five dates a month. So every night we have five dates a month. So every night we have five dates a month. So every night we have five dates a month. So every night we have five dates a month. So every night we have five dates a month. live the life we wanted. My husband wishes. I'm doing this for the show. That was my answer. For the show, right. I'm doing this for the show. I will have sex every single day for 30 days straight, for one month straight for the show. I am that much of a giver. Wow. I'd be interested to know how that goes. Right now, I want you to be a giver to your partner. I want you to go to the screamingo.com. Tell them Ginger Lynn sent you. I want you to look for the overtime. The overtime is a performance enhancing device. The overtime helps couples hit a home run in the bedroom with a super powered four function motor and flexible flutter tip to tickle and lease. Tease. Say that five times fast. Flutter, fly, flip, flipper. I'm going to have to. Oh, I see what it is. The overtime looks like it goes. No, I don't see it. It's got a cock ring, but there's a little piece of flap that looks like it goes over her pussy as well as the. See, look, there's a little cup thing that's over there. So I think the overtime goes over that. So when you're when you're leaning on her, it's like a little a little a little clit shield. So that could be useful. That's really. Yes, it's a vibrating erection ring for high performance enhancement. Ultra soft extended. Ace Hutter. Hitter. Hitler. Hitler. Ace. Ace. It's strokes. Hitler with asexual. It's a flutter tip. Oh, no. Hitler. Hitler. Flutter. Hitler. Flutter. Look, it's hit. Hitter. Hitter. Hitter. Hitter. Two T's. Two T's. No L. Hitter and flutter right next to each other. It's the Hitler. All right. Don't look for the overtime. I promise you'll like it at the screamingo.com. Tell them Ginger sent you. Well, but you know, these things are really powerful. Great for exactly what we're talking about. Like if you don't have an hour and a half. Super helpful. Oh, no, I'm a vibrator. Yeah. I'm giving you some to use on your way home. We'll be right back here. I promise we're gonna have Jillian read something from her book that's gonna be amazing. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. We'll be right back. So this was our night in New York City. So this was our night in New York City. So this was our night in New York City. So this was our night in New York City. So this was our night in New York City. So this was our night in New York City. I thought of the comment Serena had made when we had entered the palace for the first time. It's all real. Really useless. Who was playing chess in here? He trained a plain gaze on me. I stood and looked back at him. What do you do at home, he asked me. I'm a student and an actress. An actress, he said, nodding as if this was interesting. And maybe some of this? He waved his hand in a vague gesture at the bed. I felt the heat rise to my face. Serena, that bitch. I had made the mistake of mentioning, because I had worked at an escort agency for a short time before I wound up in Brunei. I had made the mistake of mentioning the escort agency during lunch one day when my guard was down and she was acting friendly. Of course she had gone and told him. I felt a sick little drop in my stomach. I didn't want to be seen as an escort right then. Not just because it wasn't the role I was playing for Robin. That was the name we called him. Because it wasn't the fantasy I was living out in my own head. I stuffed the prickling of fury back down and plastered a look of innocence across my face. Now it was on. I was in the game. I would get her back. It's all right, he said. I like actresses. I know lots of them. They have many feelings, I think. Very entertaining. Now come here. Robin reached over and pulled the strap of my sundress off my shoulder. I stepped closer to him and put his hands on my waist. He pulled me toward the bed and sat down in front of me. He folded his hands in his lap and looked at me expectantly like someone who had never for a minute in his life worried about making someone else happy. Who had never considered that it would take more than his mere presence to set someone at ease. Mostly because I couldn't think of anything further to say, I dropped the other strap and stepped out of my dress, kneeling in front of him. I was lying on my bed, and laying my head in his lap. I ran my hands up the sides of his thighs, but he took my elbows and pulled me up. I sat on his lap and we made out for a minute before he stood up, and I, who had many times mercilessly berated my mother for her mink coat, crawled under the fur blanket with a surge of gratitude, both for being covered and for being warm. I was so cold the beds of my fingernails were tinged with purple. Robin took off his clothes like he was getting ready to step into the shower. Draped them neatly on the chest chair and joined me underneath the chinchilla. He smelled compulsively clean like soap and cologne, Calvin Klein's egoist I had learned from my trip to the bathroom. He was poreless, hairless, muscular, he had no scars, no leaky emotions, nothing notably human to speak of. He looked straight at me the whole time, his eyes obsidian, slightly sunken and weaselly. He was the kind of guy you'd swear was faking an orgasm. If the fact is that he was a man, he was a man. He was a man. He was a man. His physical evidence wasn't there. I did my finest porno-inspired blowjob, thank you ladies, heavy on the eye contact and he seemed almost bored. Well, that was a first. Robin wore some sort of talisman around his neck that looked like a mezuzah. When I was a little girl, my father had worn one like it. I remember looking through the lacy silver filigree and trying to see the tiny parchment inside. I couldn't remember. I couldn't remember what was written inside a mezuzah. It was something like, Take these words which I command you this day to heart. Teach them faithfully to your children. I still loved the sound of those prayers, even though I believed in signs and spirits and ghosts and muses and maybe in angels, but not in God at all. My mind was doing what it did with customers at the club and honestly with boyfriends too. It got away from me. It spiraled up and out of the room so that half the time when I was done having sex, I couldn't remember it. It was kind of like riding the same subway that you've ridden a thousand times. You space out and get to your stop and you blanked out the stops in between. Sometimes you space out so completely that you snap back to awareness and find you've missed your stop and landed in Queens. So that's what happened. I spaced out and woke up in Queens. Isn't she amazing? Wow. I know, right? Thank you. That is an accent from the book. I love her because I don't... I cannot... I don't have that kind of poetic connection. I haven't gotten the space on my experiences yet to have an opinion about them. You and I are going to argue about this later a lot because you need to write that more. And you find the poetry by writing it, not by just having it. You learn by writing it. She's my designated ass kicker. Jillian is my designated ass kicker because she's actually done it. And I said, it would be so nice to do this. I so freaking do it. I've been telling you about it for eight months. I just write a little bit every day. You're such an inspiring story. You have an incredible... You're such an inspiring story. You're such an inspiring story. You have an incredible narrative. Everyone wants to hear it. Write it. Write it. Write it. When you write a book, do you start with writing a story, one particular story, and then you write another particular story and then tie them all together? Or what was your process that you wrote in? Right. So I write many, many drafts of a book. So the story that I conceive of initially, I don't write it like in little episodes or little essays or short stories or anything. I really conceive of the whole thing. But it changes as I write. Like I let the story tell itself to me and I write it straight through. I write a total, what I call a garbage draft or a vomit draft first where I just try to let the spirit take me. And that's actually my favorite part. So the most magical part of the process for me. And then I go back and I structure it and I do many drafts. And a lot of times I don't know what the book's about. Until I'm done with that first draft. And I'm actually almost done with another book now, with my third book. It's called Everything You Ever Wanted. It's coming out in May of 2015. And it's about adopting my son. I know. It's due in two weeks. It's crazy. But it's about adopting my son and my experience. Parenting and also just what it means to go from this life that was way more alternative to this life that's supposed to look so normal. Right. So I'd be interested to hear. I'd be interested to hear about your experience parenting Ginger. Because people think that because we were sexual women or we were engaged in sex in a way that's like public in some way or we talk about it, that then somehow that's completely antithetical to being a mother. Although, of course, most people wind up being a mother from having sex. So all of a sudden there's this immaculate conception idea in this culture. As moms, I'm sure that you have a lot to talk to her about, you know, for your blog, just on the mom thing. Where is your blog? JillianLauren.com. It's on the mom thing. So it's on the mom thing. So it's on the mom thing. So it's on the mom thing. So it's on the mom thing. So it's on the mom thing. So it's on the mom thing. So it's on the mom thing. So it's on the mom thing. So it's on the mom thing. You know, I try to do it every week. I've been a little slow because I've been on this crazy deadline for the book. And they moved. And we moved to a new house. To a new house and then had plumbing problems. Don't talk to her about house health. What I love about Jillian's writing is she writes about, she never writes from self-pity. You never beat yourself up. Yes, there has been choices that maybe you might not make again, but you never, poor me, victim. You never victimize yourself. I really appreciate that. Thank you. I really felt so moved to write this story because I feel like, I mean, mostly, you know, people who, I wouldn't say that my job in Brunei was the sex industry, but I certainly was a dancer in Esco before I ever got into that. So, you know, the sex industry and women in it are portrayed almost always by people who are not. Right. You know, that our voices are not our own. And it's either, we're either these complete, you know, femme fatale, just I crush you under my heel or these victims in the emergency room. And I think that there's so much gray area in between, you know? And that's where most of us lie. Yeah. Now I have to ask you going back to this, and I hadn't even thought of it until you just brought it up now. What was your compensation? How were you compensated for your time there? Well, it was like I had a really rich boyfriend who gave me lots of things. So I wasn't paid to be there necessarily. There was no salary, but he gave me lots of gifts, including cash and jewelry and clothing. And you took it with you when you left? And I took it with me when I left. And you took it with you when you left. And I just gave him the last of my designer handbags, my retro now designer handbags to my babysitter. I have this babysitter who's very hip and adorable. And I was like, you know what? You need these Chanel bags more than me. And I just felt like karmically I wanted to get rid of them already. You're not a Chanel bag girl anymore. I can't see you with the Chanel with the chain. Like the 80s Chanel. You know, with the pad and the quilting. I mean, I could. And every once in a while I regret that I gave them up. But then I'm like, you know, it's one thing to somehow acquire a vintage bag. It's another thing to like have a vintage bag because you got it when it was new. High five on that. Yeah, yeah, no. Like my babysitter's all 90s. So retro. Ah, no, no, wait. I'm the full adult in the 90s. Yeah, so she's adorable. She gets the Chanel bags, whatever. What was the kinkiest thing that you were ever asked to do? Well, the kinkiest thing that happened was he gave me to his brother. He gave you to his brother for a night. That is kinky. Yeah. And it sort of happened. I mean, I wouldn't say like without my consent. I could always have said no to anything. I really always felt like I could have said no. Except that I couldn't. The power dynamic was so intense that I couldn't have imagined saying no. But it wasn't like I couldn't say no and then would have been forced or something. Right, exactly. You might have been sent home. I would have been sent home. That's exactly what would have happened. Thrown off the rooftop. No, no, no. I wasn't really afraid for my physical person except for those couple of times. So most of my decisions were not based on that. Right. But yeah, he, when I went up to that rooftop and they put me in a helicopter, that's where I was going. He sent me to his brother, which, you know, was like supposed to be an honor. So I was like, you know, you can't do this to me because it was the sultan. Yeah, no. Right. But it was sort of the beginning of the end for me. Although it was also another one of those scenarios that were like so surreal that I was almost kind of like... Has to be... Am I an asshole? What? Like you're on the money. Oh my god. And now you're like, will you take off your clothes and do a little dance for me? me and i'm like okay like i just saw you on a billboard oh my god i i i fantasize i find this i you know my job i tell people i make porn because i'm too chicken to be a prostitute right because i for me if i'm not gonna be arrested beaten up made sick the idea of not knowing who you are is appealing it's sexy it's appealing to i'm kinky that way so the idea of being quote unquote handed him handed around can be hot but because it's also business situation so and also right i don't think you're that you're not particularly a kinky person you are free you're open-minded i'm a free spirit and i'll try anything i'll try anything i'm almost almost we all have limits right um but you know my leanings are not that not all did you feel like you were a little bit more like a little bit more like a little bit more like a little bit more a little bit betrayed like you weren't special anymore because he was sharing you i always felt that way a little bit though because i was contending with all these other women a big group you know so there was always a little bit of i'm not special enough am i special enough what does it mean to be special enough like this you know vying for attention i didn't i never got that chest back no hell no what i what i spent no you go ahead no no did you make friends with any of the girls did you become close and i did one like one of the wives you know that there were a couple of not the wives so we didn't really interact with the wives very much there were three other there were three wives and uh we didn't interact with the wives but i did become close and also you know a couple of the girls were pretty intense enemies too which has never occurred to me before my life i i'm not like a competitive girl i have tons of girlfriends i love women i you know right i i have always tons of women around me in my life but uh in this situation you know there were some that really became very contentious and i am still in touch like three of them cool and uh you know one of them just came to party i threw the other day and fun they're all like wonderful places in their life and they're pretty great special women you know bond yeah yeah talk about a small club the one who's like very she's just very kind of like sunny Manhattan Beach housewife chick she always was you know just like blonde volleyball playing kind of gal beachy hair yeah you know she was never she was just like working at the Beverly Center when they found her kind of thing and now she's like oh honey you know now my husband will like tease me like oh you're so scandalous you had this scandal and she's like here I am changing diapers like thank god thank god I had the scandal right what if this was it what if this was all there ever was but also being able to find a male partner who can handle that having been in your past whether or not you talk about or not talk about the fact that because in our culture of course the sex workers are so damaged that no sane man would want to date you right and the ones who can then think they can dump on you for what you did before you ever met them right to find a healthy relationship after that kind of life I have it you have it Ginger has it it's really rare it's rare but we're all extremely and not and you know and to find an awesome man is always rare yeah it's always rare period just you know from you know it's definitely rare to you know find somebody you can reconcile themselves with who I truly am right that's why you marry is rare it is you know I remember there was this one party that I was at and I met a girl who who didn't know anything about me or what I had done and I was talking about uh I was talking about Lily Barana's book I love that book City which is great um and also I was talking about her book uh I love a man in uniform because she married a man who's in in military intelligence and I was like it's such a trippy book because you know like that could be me like I'm her I'm so I feel like Lily and I are so similar you know and uh and I'm like and you know and she just married this military intelligence officer and she's living up in West Point and the girl who I was talking to was like yeah well like who else marries a stripper it's like army officer and she's living up in West Point and I was like yeah I think I was married strippers who else marries a stripper and I was like rock stars marry strippers oh no remember the early 90s all rock star and all rock stars and porn chicks all the time and she was just like uh my husband was also marine too by the way so I married I married a military man that's why he's just so fun and hunky-dunky and a rock star right rock on yay Jillian Lauren in with us thank you so much for coming in and sharing such a wonderful part of your life such a special part and such an exciting part thank you excuse me jillianlauren.com just like it sounds 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