Scared Houseless creators discuss web series and travel stories

This is not some stupid show about ghost hunting. This is a show about selling homes that are different. Don't touch anything in here. You're going to disturb the energy. Jasper, you're disturbing my energy. Please leave. We don't know what we're messing with in here. Are there any spirits present? Who are you? Who am I contacting? What do you want? Why are you here? If the demon doesn't get the spirit that it was promised by your grandmother, it's not going to leave. Why do you have so many cameras following you around? Are you, like, super important or something? Don't tell anyone that I am the star of a new reality TV show. You know, I thought the point of this show was to make houses nicer in order to sell them. Uh, this house seems dirtier since you've got me. The only way to break the curse is to destroy it. You want to destroy the one thing tying us to our original brother? I don't think Jasper broke the curse. There's still something strange going on in here. It appears that my wife's spirit is back. A ghost coming back after crossing the river? That's never happened. Do none of us know where Jasper is? And you were the last one to see him. Listen, I know Jodi has her quirks, but she's my sister, and I'm not going to replace her. I don't want you to replace her, Mr. Collins. I want you to leave her. Is that Jasper's blood? Hello, world. This is Chris Abalo's Podcast Experiment, and I am Chris Abalo. Welcome to the Sophomore Slump, the second live broadcast of the show, which hopefully will go better than most Sophomore Slumps go. It's going to go better than last week. Already? Yeah, absolutely. Well, you guys are here to help. Just with that intro? Yeah. I mean, that intro, that sounds like an amazing show. Everyone should go watch that show. Doesn't it? Yeah. Well, that's why people are tuning in live now, which you should be. It's skidrowstudios.com. Well, if you're hearing my voice right now, you are. But they're already here. They're already here. They're already here. I have to say, last week with the first episode, I'll introduce the guys who were butting into my monologue in a second. Very rudely butting in. Shut up, Eric. We want the time to talk. You guys don't know how to take a hint. Okay. So last week, it was very much a run-through for the first time any of us had done anything live, and I absolutely need to say that Candice, Norman, and John, killed it. They were so good for that episode, and I enjoyed myself in the least egotistical way possible, I swear. But everybody came in and did such a great job on the show, and we kind of rushed through it towards the end because it was like, oh, man, an hour already. That was really, really quick. So the ending was slightly rushed. Time flies when you're having fun. Yeah. This one's going to go super slow, though. We're about to find out together. Do you believe in time travel? It's going to take a long time to get to 11 p.m. Oh, yeah. So I do want to say, if you are listening to the show on iTunes, which, of course, you can subscribe through and also subscribe through Stitcher Radio if you use a Stitcher app, and always at the home at chrisabal.com or tune in live to see not only the streaming video, well, mainly the streaming video because why wouldn't you want to, at skidrowstudios.com every Monday at 10 p.m. So if you're listening, if you're listening to the show after the fact, you can tune in live 10 p.m. Pacific Standard Time, by the way. So if you're on the East Coast, like most of my family and friends, it's 1 a.m. So if you have a slight case of insomnia, then you can tune in live to the show. And Tuesday, as I said, iTunes, Stitcher, chrisabal.com. Get it in your ears. And, of course, what... That sounds great. It does sound great. Get it in your ears. Get it in your ears. Get it in your ears. Tagline, yeah. I think that should be the tagline now. Go to the... Go to the... Go to the... Get an earful of... I think Q-tips, trademarked. We can't use that. I try to think of a brand. Cotton swabs. Oh, yeah, cotton swabs. Ear swab. Cotton swab. That's one of those things, like Q-tip, you say it like a Kleenex. You just say it as the word. Yeah. This is all compelling stuff here, Chris. I have to say, and, you know, let me... I think it's about time to introduce the jovial gentleman. Yeah, well, tell them who the hell we are. Yes. The writers, directors, creators, the brain trusts of... of the web series Scared Houseless. Yeah. Dan Lobrace and Eric Wilson, welcome to the show. Thank you. Thanks for having us. I'm very happy to have you guys here because I'm a big fan of the show that you guys did. Well, you should be. You're a producer on the show. Yeah, I am a producer on the show. Well, see, I tried not to oversell to people, like, well, I'm producing a web series. Yeah. I'm like one of 12 people. Yeah. But just the same, I don't want to... I didn't want to make it seem like it's something that I heavy-handed. It's very much your project, which we will talk about more in depth. Right. In a few minutes. But back to last week and my slight anxiety, which I didn't really let on because I left... I wanted to be here an hour early last week, so I was like, all right, let me get to the studio at nine. We go on at 10. Let me just make sure all my ducks are in a row or there's a more modern version of that phrase. I'll take it. Yeah. So I left at like 8.15 and I've had such a bad week with technology. I'm not going to go into all of it, but my car stereo is acting up. So I'm speeding. I'm speeding down the... I still don't know how to get here. So I have the GPS up kind of resting somewhat stably on my dashboard and trying to follow directions on how to exactly get here because I don't know it by heart yet. And I just had my iPod plugged into my stereo. It was acting up. So I was just like, all right, screw this. I'm just going to... I took the face off and I used the auxiliary cable to hit the reset button inside the face. I was like, all right, maybe this will work. So I put the face back on and then it was, oh, okay. Everything should be fine. Now, when you set your stereo to factory reset, it goes into demo mode. So as I'm doing 70 down the five, my stereo is flashing different colors and there's words coming across the screen. So I keep looking over like, what's going on? It's about to explode. You think you're getting pulled over at certain points. Yeah. And then at a certain point, because I see all these words and phrases scrolling by on the little digital marquee on the front of the stereo. And I thought, I think my stereo is mocking me. I kept expecting to see, you're never going to make it. You're a talent. Final destination. Yeah. You're a talentless schmuck. It's everything I've seen in every movie. Depending on when your radio is from, Christina Aguilera, Genie in a Bottle. That's the demo song that would come with the faceplate. Or that's just what you have on your iPod. That's what I have. Any time. Or. Set my iPhone. Or that's just Genie in a Bottle comes on. Great song. That's not everybody. Grammy winning song. That would have made me run into oncoming traffic. Just taking a sharp left right into it. It would have been less painful. Yeah. But everyone would have missed out on the show. One of the things I didn't talk about last week, which I wanted to touch on, was I knew we weren't going to have time, so I figured I'd save it. But my trip back two weeks ago today, January 5th, I flew back from my holiday vacation in New Jersey. And I just, there's certain things I can't get over when flying. I've been flying back and forth to California for over 10 years now. Between shuttling between California and New Jersey. And there's just so many things that baffle me. I mean, it's, for as much as people rag on California, most people have never been here, but for everybody being lazy and too laid back and whatever else, all the cliches people know from television and from movies. It means three huggers. Yes. LAX is- Superficial too. Yes. Well, slightly. Well, parts. Just a little bit. Yeah. But everybody rags on California, but LAX is way more efficient when it comes to the TSA. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I've never had a serious wait when I've flown out of LAX. I've always gone so quickly. Philly Airport too. Philly Airport. Philly Airport. I was LAX to Philly too. I mean, in general, that flight from California to the East Coast is just the worst possible flight in the world. You try to plan it too. You try to get the red eyes so you don't have to miss nine hours of your life. Yeah. Yeah. And then I get the red eye. I can't sleep on planes or buses. I can't sleep in public places, so I'm up on the red eye anyway. I don't even know why I get the goddamn red eye. I stay up the whole time anyway. Yeah. And I take a NyQuil to think that it's going to work, but then I'm just- Yeah. I grab like an Advil experience. Yeah. The $18. Oh, yeah. One of the times I did, I bought an $18 pack of sleep pills and it didn't work either, so. Yeah. Yeah. Overdose on sleep pills. I try that too. I usually nod off because of boredom. Right. And I also figure it's in the best interest of everybody, especially if I'm taking the red eye heading East because I just know when I fly, I'm basically like the Incredible Hulk. Like everything just irritates me. There's always a jackass who's coughing. I'm like, oh, great. You're always sitting right behind the one person who has their window open. Yes. So when the sun comes up. And still has the monitor. That's me. That's you. I love the window open. Why fly? What if you can't enjoy the view? I mean, that's the only, if I would drive if it wasn't for the view. He's doing it for the Instagram photo. That's why he's doing it. Well, okay, listen. He's taking the picture of the clouds. Last time I flew back, last time I flew back, I had Wi-Fi. There were a lot of Instagram pictures back last time I was home. You're an idiot. You took advantage of it. It was great. I mean, you fly over the Rockies, you can see the snow caps at night or see in Vegas at night. We flew over Vegas at night. Vegas is pretty sweet. The pilot didn't even tell us we were flying over Vegas. I had to put two and two together myself. I thought that was a rule when I was younger. I thought they had to tell us when you were flying over something cool like the Grand Canyon. If you're going to be a nice pilot for all the pilots listening, I think if you're going over a landmark that's visible, like Vegas at night, I mean, what is more visible? Times Square. We flew over the same flight the way back the same day. We flew over the World Trade Center the day the World Trade Center opened back up. That's something you should point out. That's pretty cool. You flying over the World Trade Center the day it opened. I don't think they give a shit, though. They don't care. They don't care. I'm like, get the fuck off our plane. We have to fly back again. I don't know if it became a thing where it's don't point out landmarks anymore because nobody's interested or people complained and they said, don't do it. Or someone's thinking it's a security issue, too. It could be. I guess, yeah. Oh, that's Vegas? I don't want to give anyone any ideas. I'm just going to think. A really bad terrorist is like, oh, this is my stuff. Whoops. Oh, yes. Oh, no. Next time. Next time. Turn it around. This is quick. I'll get through again. This show got dark really fast. Yeah, right? Thank God. You're going to get letters. Literal racist, too. Please don't tweet the show at Cape Pod. Please do not. Follow, but don't tweet us complaints about it. Not factual. Yeah, I guess. Forget it. Don't do it. I'm just going to let that one go. Are you a sucker for the, I know some airlines do this. They give you the everything, like the TV's behind the seat in front of you. And then for maybe 10 minutes, they give you everything. Like you get, the movies and the TV shows, and then you get everything. And then they're, then it just goes away. Yeah. And they're like, yeah, pay to continue. Oh no, I've had it where just nothing. Oh yeah, you can't touch that fucking thing. I was furious because when I flew back, I had an 8 a.m. flight Christmas Eve. So it's middle of the day. And I didn't know the wifi and the movies and everything. That was all free. Did you do JetBlue? No, I was flying on a United. JetBlue. Everything was free. Really? And you didn't know? I wasn't going to pay $3.99 for 10. So I just, I ended up nodding. I was like, I'm going to take this off. Cause I thought this sucks. I'm bored. And meanwhile, my sister's on her iPad, the entire flight. She's two rows back. She's having the best flight ever. Yeah. She's watching a movie. And it's the first time I took first class. I had no idea that drinks in first class were free. The first time I took it. So I had like one drink. Cause he's flying first class all the time. This guy ever since scared houseless. Sorry. The only time I did first class, I didn't know they were free. So I had one drink. And, and, and this guy next to me was drinking and drinking and drinking. I wish I had, I wish I had for those drinks. I didn't even pay for this flight. It was, it was for work. And, um, I didn't know. I could have been drunk by the time I landed in Miami. Yeah. What's better way to arrive? Exactly. I was like, I'm going to Miami. I'll have one drink. And then she didn't charge me. I was like, Oh, it'd be awesome. Maybe you get one point for one compliment. Your drink in first class. You know, you should have something like that. Miami's a stop on the way to like Sweden. And then you arrive, it's all snow covered. What the fuck? You're drunk and you're just completely thrown off. Just get on another plane. It's like home alone. Yeah. You fell asleep on the plane and nobody bothered to go through and clean it cause they're running late. It's like a shitty directed DVD one. I think it's an Adam Sandler movie that was just outlined. Probably. Yeah. And he meets, but he has a really hot wife. Yeah. Yeah. Who's looking for him. Played by Adam Sandler. Yeah. Oh yeah. That's why we went a long way out of the way to get back. So I'm flying back from Newark. So you're in Newark. That was a long tangent. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. That was, we just did 14 minutes. You know when to stop. When you get to Adam Sandler in drag though. Yeah. That's yeah. That's the line. Conversation over. So, um, yeah. TSA though moved so slow in, in Newark airport. Like I was shocked. Everybody looked like they were woken up from a deep sleep three minutes before I laid eyes on them. Yeah. Everybody was just moving so incredibly slowly. And I was, I was kind of stressed cause it was a pain in the ass checking my bags because I was a whole other, I'm not even going to go into that. So I didn't, I didn't get to the line till about 20 minutes. Before I was supposed to, my flight was going to start boarding. And I was like, Oh Jesus, don't want to miss my flight. And I knew the flight was over booked. So I thought, well maybe I can get bumped without penalty and get a later flight back. I find it. I'm getting delayed two hours. Wow. So I ended up getting like, I got it super late. Well, I thought, yeah, the starter chilies. Yeah. It's literally like the, my first chili. Yeah. Like Fisher price is my first chili. Yes. And it's always guys in there while they're, their wife's in the coach store, which was, why the hell is our coach store in the airport? I want to know what they do in sales because I have that kind of time. They're probably thinking about it. Probably pretty decent. You think so? Enough to stay in business, I guess. I guess. Cause it's gotta be pretty prime real estate to be in a, in an airport terminal. You would think. Yeah. But I don't know. It's, it's a little suspect having a coach. Ladies, if your husband comes home with a coach bag for you, I'm not saying it's infidelity, but I'm not saying it's not. Yeah. So just be aware. Especially if it comes from Newark Liberty Airport. Yeah. If the receipt says Newark Airport, it's your shared on you. It's your shared credit card. And here's your coach bag. Get over it. Yeah. It shows up EWR coach. It's like, wait a minute. You got this last minute. EWR, yeah. That's right. You know the code. The Newark Airport. You know the code. Call letters or whatever it is they call them. The three digit code. Yeah. I don't even know what it is. I know LAX cause it's. Well, yeah. Everybody refers to it as LAX. Yeah. But anyway, so the flight ended up getting delayed two hours and I thought, all right, it's already a six hour, five flight. Now it's going to be at least eight hours. And I was checking bags. So I knew that, who knows how long that could take. Ended up taking an hour. Not that anybody cares, but I thought, well, I want to eat something. Like I just know I'm going to be crabby if I don't have some for eight hours. I just know myself. It's funny cause we were joking about hangry last week. And I think I might be. As I said, I'm kind of the incredible Hulk when I fly anyway. Yeah. I'm just always so irritated by everything. It's like, sir, what? Oh, more warm Dr. Pepper. Yes, please. Yeah. But, I, I thought, well, I need to get something. I'm just going to eat something in the terminal. Cause I'm not going to, it's either get something in terminal, pay $13 for glorified trail mix while we're in the air. So I thought, I'm just going to, yeah, I'm going to get something else. But, but I thought, well, I'll get a sandwich. That's easy. Cause pizza slices for like five bucks. And I thought, that's probably not such a good pizza despite being in New Jersey. And, uh, I was like, I'll just get a sandwich. Can't go wrong. It's going to be filling. You know, I'll drink all the pre-made sandwiches. Yes. Yeah. Those suck usually. But not only that, nine 50. Yeah. I mean, for, for a, for a chicken salad, like the cheese. Yeah. I'm just, but the thing is, aside from that, like you can only get away with that in the airport. I mean, if it's set on the label, we'll increase sexual stamina. I still don't know if it was worth nine 50 to buy a sandwich, but you'd only get away with that. Cause what are the choices? Yeah. What are you going to do? Go hungry. Yeah. You can overspend for a sandwich. Oh yeah. I try to plan ahead and bring food to the airport, but then they, they make it impossible to, or at least with a drink. I just want water, like a water bottle. You got to pay four 50 for a 16 ounce bottle of water. Yeah. I got over on them one time. I brought an empty water bottle. I just filled it up with a janky water fountain. And then I got sick on the plane. So he really doesn't want to pay $4 for that water. Don't want to pay $4 for water. I got sick on the plane. Do I want to go to the emergency room and see your sign? I want to get back. I don't know. I don't know where it's going to go. But yeah, I, I just thought, I mean, I thought it, at least I'm going to pay this much for a sandwich. I'm going to make it worth it. So I ended up basically eating Thanksgiving. It was a Turkey and stuffing sandwich on cranberry, walnut bread. Cause I thought, well, it was, it was okay. It was fair. Well, that sounds like a, that sounds like a $9 and 50 cents sandwich. That's why I got, that's not like, it's like roasted, roasted cranberry tofu bread. And it's like, you didn't get just ham and cheese. If it was just ham and cheese, I'd be like, all right, that's not worth nine 50. But I mean, it sounds like a, it sounds like Emeril Lagasse cooked up. Buzzwords when they put the label on it, it's like ham and cheese. Well, yeah. I mean, I'm sure there was like a, um, aged cheese. Yeah. A goat cheese or a veggie sandwich or something, which just sounds like torture. But I thought if I'm going to pay nine 50 for a sandwich, it's going to be fucking worth it. Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, so I got the fanciest sounding sandwich and it was okay overall, but I still, there's something, some part of me that just can't help, but get upset by nine 50 for a sandwich. Yeah. Yeah. I'm with you. I have to say, I mean, I don't eat sandwiches. So I'm not really with you, but you're full sandwiches. I don't, we can't get into that. It's a whole nother show. I will never be forgiven if we don't at least get a bird's eye view. It's going to turn into like a doctor. Give us a broad strokes. Why you don't eat sandwiches. I, I'm a very, I'm a very picky eater. Surprisingly, believe it or not, I wasn't going to say anything. Believe it or not. Um, believe it or not. Uh, this wonderful physique comes from 25 years of chicken McNuggets. And French fries and pizza. Uh, those are, those are the basic food groups for me. And it's not even a joke. Um, so I've never in my life to my knowledge that I remember, uh, meaning I was probably like a child and infant. Um, I don't remember ever having a sandwich. I've never had a sandwich. I have no interest in tasting sandwiches. That's includes peanut butter and jelly and ham and cheese and Turkey, cranberry, olive loaf, whatever the hell you had. There wasn't like an expired egg salad sandwich from your youth. That just, you know, I was never bullied by, by a turkey and cheese sandwich. There's a story. Um, there's not a story. I just bullied by someone. You said your, you said your sister's tuning in. Let's get her on the phone. My sister. Yeah. If my sister's listening, call, call the toll free number and validate this. Older sister. Tia, what? Older sister. Older sister. Yeah. So she's, she's been there. She saw it all and she will validate that. I eat a very select few things. Dan came too. Yeah. We wrote the web series. We spent a lot of time together. Yes. Dad knows me. Yeah. Dad knows me very well. So what did you eat? I'm not bullshitting. You're not bullshitting. Yeah. He would come over. My mom or my dad was more of a cook. My dad, whoever would cook dinner, I'd say, no, I want McDonald's. And they would go to McDonald's and bring me back McDonald's. I was, I was a fucking brat. He was like, I just never. And you're from Philly. So you're doubly obnoxious. I'm from Philly. I've never had a cheesesteak. I've never had a Philly cheesesteak. Get the fuck out of here. I, right hand to God. I, I just. So did that kick you out? Is that why you're in LA? I exiled. Cause I, it took me 25 years. I still didn't have a cheesesteak. No, I just, I, I'm very, I don't want to, I don't, I guess I'm not picky. I'm just fucking stubborn. But see, now is that because you consider cheesesteak a sandwich? I'm not, I'm not like anti-sandwich. Well, I'm just anti-trying. I'm not saying you got a placard outside of Subway or anything. Trying these new things that, you know, I just, just don't interest me. And it's ridiculous. Yeah. You're in the land of sushi and cocaine. So you can avoid sandwiches out here pretty easily, but I don't know how. Whenever we were writing, he'd be like, oh, you hungry? I'm like, I don't want to eat pizza again. So I don't know. I don't want to eat. Yeah. I mean, yeah. I'm not hungry for what you want. You got a cliff bar in your back pocket. You're like, I guess this will last me another three hours. Oh yeah. And Dan's lactose intolerant. So we had to, there's, we had to work around a very minimal amount of, amount of things that we could eat. It was just a sitcom in itself. I mean, behind the crafty, you were there to shoot the one day. I was. I had to tell him, like, we don't. KFC. Because I only eat chicken. And you know all the actors are like, the day before. The actress and me don't want this shitty food. So. Let's get Subway. There were days on the shoot where I just had to like, not eat. Cause I, they would be like, get Subway or get, you know, we had Subway a couple of times or whatever the crafty was that day. And it just stays where I just wouldn't eat because I was just like, well, you know, I, I understand that my eating habits are a huge inconvenience for people that are close to me and things like that. So some days you just have to wipe your hands with it. And just go, go to a restaurant and just eat the bread basket. Just go to the Olive Garden. Well, there's anything between those bread slices. Yeah. Let's send it back. Yeah. But don't put any fucking meat between my bread. Yeah. Yeah. And it's pretty much it. That was a. In Starbucks. I drink Starbucks. I was going to say that between the. It's all great product placement, by the way. He wants, he wants pizza. You're like, doesn't tolerate. Is this like we have cheeseless pizza, but just like dough with ketchup on it. That's it. That's it. I've ordered. I've talked about that. I've accidentally ordered cheeseless pizza off the Domino's app when I was first trying to figure it out. And I order. Did you make a mistake? What do you mean? I got it with someone and I was going to do half cheese, half pepperoni. So I did half cheese. And then the other half, I forgot to include cheese. And so it was just sauce and pepperoni. There should be like. Not only was I the dick who was like, we have to get half cheese. Cause I only. You know how to work the Domino's app. Yeah. I ordered their part of the order wrong. So. Oh, shut up. You're like a 94 year old woman. Oh, I am. He just got Instagram. I just got Instagram. He just got Instagram. I just started using it. It took like seven people to convince him to get Instagram and Snapchat. And Snapchat. I love Instagram. But you're not a white girl. You shouldn't be on Snapchat in the first place. No, Snapchat's cool. I just sent pictures of my dog. That was a good pitch right there. No, Snapchat's cool. No, I love Instagram. Yeah. You're. Well, yeah. I'm a bit of an attention whore. So that's why. See, I am too, but I resisted Instagram for ages. Yeah. Um, I registered my name a year ago. My handle, is at Chris sells out. So feel free to follow me if you want folks. Do you have any posts? I have a picture that I, as a joke. It's just one picture. Four months ago. It's a screenshot. You need one picture. Well, it's a screenshot of, tap the camera to post your first photo. Cause I thought it would just be. Oh, so I haven't posted anything. I should, I'll have to. Why the fuck would you want people to follow? No, no one's going to follow you. Because I'm not going to. He's the creeper like me. We're Instagram creeps. No, it's not even for that. I just want to not post anything. And have a, a thousand followers. Yes. Pretty much. I just want to have more followers than my friends who post. Well, Instagram just did this thing, uh, where they swept Instagram for all like the ghost followers, people that were just like making accounts to spam you. Oh, right. Right. And I lost like 44 followers. And yes, that's an exact fucking number. And he remembers because he was pissed about it. I had five 88 yesterday. Why do I have five 44 right now? He took a picture one night and predicted how many likes they would get by the morning. And he was right. I'm like, wow, it was true. Right. Yeah. It's, I love Instagram. You're going to have to be my Instagram admin because I mean, I do all the scared houses. Oh, he does all the social media for that stuff. I'm like, I don't even know how to post it. I was right. I'd like send myself an inbox. Yeah. Yeah. Dan, share, share scared house. Like send them a message. Watch this. Yeah. Let's talk about scared houseless. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. All right. We made it through the first show with the first half of the show. Rather with barely talking about it. Okay. But let's talk a bit about it. That was awesome. That was amazing. That was great. It sounds so scary. It actually. Guys, that's what scared houses. Yeah. Watch it. It is. Expect that. Yeah. There's a lot of humor in the show, but I didn't think that was going to carry over. Like you can't just throw in out of context. Yeah. Yeah. Just joke. Joke. Joke. Joke. Like I took out a few things that I had in there. There's a great scene with a line. Bon Appetit motherfucker that I took out of that intro because I thought, well, no one's going to get what that is. Everything else is kind of snippets which give you an overview of season one of the show. Bon Appetit, that was improv. That was John. Yeah, that was improv. John Karunas proved his salt last week. I mean, we wrote a lot of the characters. We had basic outlines for who these people were going to be and then we started thinking of who's going to be these characters, who these characters are going to be and who these friends of ours that are actors can portray. So we'd write a good idea of a character and then we would mold them and then throw it to them and they would make their own. By the time we shot the first script, John and Candace had a good idea of it. We know who we want to be. We know who these characters are going to be. We looked out so much with them. Yeah, and the improv and every single person in the web series, every single person that acted in it did improv, whether they were trained on it or not and it really came out well, I think. It did seem very spontaneous in a lot of parts and I have to say the most, the funniest thing because I've been a big fan of Candace and John for a while, which is why, which is why, well, of course, and after last week's show, which if you didn't listen to last week's show, folks, the stars of Scared Houseless, Candace Feltz and John Karunas were sitting in on the show last week and some wise soul was smart enough to put them on his podcast, oh, in 2013. So you should check out. I forgot to mention because we ran out of time. If you want to listen to my one-on-one chat with John, you can listen to episode 16 on the show. Of Chris Abala's podcast experiment and Candace is on episode 20. So if you want to hear the one-on-one chat. You got in early with that. Yeah, you got them. I did. I'm big fans of the two of them. You got them before they were famous. Yeah. That's right. Before the fame of Scared Houseless. I have an eye. We just hit 5,000 views on Scared Houseless. Really? This weekend. We just hit 5,000 channel views. YouTube.com slash Scared Houseless, by the way, everybody. Check it out. 10 episodes, which you guys basically filmed pretty much an hour and 40 minute movie. Yeah. So you essentially shot a movie over the course of. It was total. Three weeks. Total nine minute, 90 minutes. Yeah. No, that's great. Actual. So it was a 90 minute short. 10 episodes, yeah. We shot in six days. It was only supposed to be nine originally, but we just had so much material. Was it one script and then you diced it up in episodes or you wrote each episode? We wrote each episode because they were in three parts. So every three episodes is one house. Yeah. So the first three episodes are one house. Oh, right. It's like essentially like a 22 minute episode of a sitcom on TV. Yeah. And I have to say the look of it too. Like just looking at it, it really is a, it looks and feels like a reality show. Like that was one of the most impressive things. Aside from the fact that once again, to credit Candace and John, they're nothing like their characters. John is not a self-involved douche bag and Candace is not stuck up. No. No, they're both super friendly and it was so weird seeing them take on those roles. Right. But proving their acting ability because I thought, wow, I know those people, but I don't know these, you know, looking at them, I know who they are. Yeah. And that's when I was, when I went back home, I went back home right after Scared Houses came out and people had watched it recently and they all said how they hated Candace's character. They hate it. She's so annoying. I can't, you know, and it's so funny. And they were like, I don't even want to meet the woman who played her. I'm like, no, no, no. That's not how Candace is at all. I swear. She's great. But they just, they just, they absorb the character. And because we spent so much time in so little time. And they were in it from the beginning too. In three weeks, they were Jasper and Jodi for a majority of that time. So they were, they were engulfed in the characters for a short stretch, but very engulfed into it. So we call them by their character names towards the end. Yeah. But we're like, we're like, oh, where's Jasper? Oh, you know, or, you know, what time's Jodi getting here? It just, it just happened that way. Yeah. It shows. I'm biased because I know everybody personally, but at the same time, it's, it was just way impressive when I saw it. Cause then that was another thing for at least for, for my part of it. Cause I thought, oh, they're doing something. I want to be involved and you guys were doing a crowdfunding campaign. So I said, all right, well, I'm going to kick in some money. Absolutely. Which is how I ended up with the producer credit. I didn't actually do anything. You were a zombie frat boy. I was in it. I was an extra. You were in it. Yeah. For about a cold sore. For about four frames. Like episode five. Yeah. I'm a zombie. You know what? I'm going to throw those photos that I took on the set of Scared Houses. I'm going to throw those up on the, on the show Instagram. Oh yeah. Those are fun. Look up Kate Pod on Instagram and there's a few photos of me with makeup, which it's the only chance you're going to see. Makeup by Blair Gorman. Yes. Incredible Blair Gorman. Who played the makeup girl in episode nine. The cold open for, oh no. It was like seven, I think it was a frat house block. Yeah. She was great. She, and she, she was having a lot of fun with mine. Oh, you're going to be so gross. Well, I remember I, we didn't, you know, we were, I mean, me and Dan had to do so much between two people that we, you know, there were sometimes where we're like, oh my God, we've got to, you know, so I, I remember Blair coming in with her makeup kit. I'm saying, um, there, there were zombies and we would describe the, you know, the, the frat guys were turning into these, you know, these cursed guys as zombies. And, and it was just like, it was how we described it. So that we knew what we meant, but we didn't realize that everyone else, no one else knew what they meant. So in the script, in the script, it wasn't even zombies. It was just, you know, blank stares and yada, yada, yada. But, um, so I was like, Blair, just like there's, there's zombies, they're zoned out and just give them a cold sore and just like give them all a nice cold sore. Cause I would, cause the first half of the day, you, I mean, you were there. I was trying to give cold sores myself and I was trying to do my own makeup and they, they were coming out, you know, yeah, there, there were a couple of scenes where you could tell like, okay, that's not, you look like you're dipped your face into a half pepperoni, half cheese pizza. Yeah. With no cheese on the half side. One side of your face was covered with cheese and the other half was just spotty. And I remember, I remember somebody came down, I don't know if it was you or Ariel came down. I looked at you and I was like, no, no, no, no, it's like too much zombie. So I had to run upstairs and she was in the middle of doing something else. she was already doing another one. Yeah. I did. I was like, no, stop. I was like, you need to, less zombie. Less zombie. I was like, I really just focused on the car. But you said zombie. I didn't mean zombie. Yeah, we didn't mean zombie when we said it, duh. We meant sick college kid. What kind of makeup girl are you? So yeah, she, she really helped us out with that. Well, let's not give anything away. Oh yeah. There is a, yeah. John needs to be briskly uttered. Yeah, he, he did have to look pretty gruesome and that was all Blair too. Yeah. Incredible. Yeah. Let's suck off the rest of the cast. Who else we already stuck out in? We're already talking about everybody else. The whole cast was great. they were, everyone. And the crew, everyone. Twan, Twan Dang, twandang.com. Shot the whole thing. Shot the whole, and he was amazing. He was great. You know who I loved, who I want to see more of, and I'm totally drawing a blank on her name. The hippie chick in the last two episodes. Lauren Sperling. Yeah. Oh, I know, I know Lauren. What was the character's name? Mystic Fog. Mystic Fog. She played a medium. Yeah. Yeah. Interviewing new mediums. That last, Ryan Renfrew, who played, you know, the mustache guy. Mustache, creepy mustache. Creepy mustache guy. It's funny to call him that. Who you'd never suspect would do anything in the show. Yeah. Yeah. No. He was, he was a very last minute, like, choice. We had someone lined up and it fell through and, and we had to get him last minute and, and he, he was amazing. Yeah. I think everyone, everyone throughout the whole series was great. Everyone carried their weight and everyone helped us out and helped make it a better, a better web series, I think. It honestly felt, like I said, it really did feel like a reality show because it didn't feel like you're watching people act. Right. It honestly felt like a fly on the wall show of things that were going on. And there's a point during the, the Jasper kidnapping, without giving anything away, once again, youtube.com slash scared house, let's see what we're raving about. But, there's a point where this, it's that, kind of, breaking of the fourth wall, but not really, where Jasper's saying, can you guys help me, please? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We wanted them to be the rescuers. You always see the most horrid shit go down on these reality shows. Yeah. There's a crew right there. Oh, yeah. Somebody on Survivor breaks their leg. Because there is a fourth wall. Yeah. Because there's a crew. Yes. So that's why we just had to reference it. We really got to help somebody. We referenced it too much. We try to be really good about that. Like a few, you know, kind of like, I love the office, you know, the gym gives the look to the camera, stuff like that. But we wanted to just have one big reference to the fact, and we saved that for you. Yeah, like all this stuff was happening, and then, It was perfect for that. Come on, it's like, you've been here. Yeah, we wanted to kind of commentate on what won't they film. Yeah, exactly. That's what it was. It was a huge commentary on reality TV, and the horror behind it, essentially. Right. We tried to mix so many genres of reality TV, but also comedy, and also single cam, and also, also horror movies. Macho Minerals. Macho Minerals, and horror movie stuff, and we had a lot of, we tried to comedically reference so many horror movies, in so little time. So there's a few, there's a few references, if you go back and watch. There's like at least one per episode. Yeah, there's at least one big one per episode. Yeah. And then we did little ones throughout, you know, little jumps that, you know, aren't supposed to be jumps in this sense, but in horror movies, they would be jumps, you know? Right. So, yeah. Yeah. Where did the idea spring up from in the first place? Did you, did one of you have it, and go to the other? Yeah. Or did you two just kind of brainstorm it? I may or may not have been really drunk watching HGTV one day, and I got the idea. You'd have to be. Yeah. Yeah, no. And then I got, I got an idea. He was watching Say Yes to the Dress. Yeah. He turned it off, he took a nap, he woke up. I could do something better than this. That's how it happened. Oh, this is bullshit. I'm just gonna. I had a rough idea. And then I, I brought it to Eric, because I knew he would be the perfect person to, to create it with. And we just developed, we developed it. I think it took, I think it took maybe, what, a little over three months after we. From conception. Yeah, from conception to. To airing. To wrap, yeah. It was almost exactly. It was almost exactly three months. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah. Because I heard about it, I think you guys kicked off the campaign around September, maybe late August. early September. Okay. And that's when I first heard about it, and I thought, no way. Yeah, he approached me probably mid to late August in a pool. I was drunk on Long Island. And he came up with, yeah, he came up with an idea, and I was. I approached him in the pool. We're not going to go into any more detail. We weren't even friends at this point. I had no idea who this guy was. He came up to me in a pool and said, I have an idea. Hey, drunkie. Yes. Twirled his mustache. And it was great. I remember, I remember him pitching me, and I was like, that's, that's a really fucking funny idea. If it's done well, we can, you know, really do it. And we developed it, and we changed a few things from the original. Right. Idea, but we, you know, the intention the whole time was make it, make it as good as we can. Right. And, yeah, and we, we were, we were just blessed to, to have the actors that we, we already knew them. We had a lot of talent. We knew them already. Yeah. So, we, we just knew we, we could have a kick-ass cast, and then write the characters to suit them well. Oh, yeah. To do them justice, really. Yeah. But to bring their own flavor to it, too. Exactly, Because it kind of brought their own spin on things, where they were kind of able to own the characters. Sure, of course. I mean, I never read the script, but I can tell, they're, they're adding, they're adding certain quirks in. Right. Just because I, I get that just from knowing the two of them. Yeah. That I can tell where they're putting in their own. Yeah, they had the best chemistry. When he originally pitched me, he, he told me off the bat, he was like, I want Candace to play the lead of Jodie. I was like, done. Yeah. Yeah. Which is so funny. It's like, we need a cold and, Yeah. And unfeeling and selfish person. Candace. Yeah. Yeah. Who's incredibly sweet. Yeah. Yeah. And, but it's like, yeah, she would be able to play this, and she does. Yeah. Plays it so well. Cause you know, Jodie, her character is this under, underlining, like, you know, there's hints of her actually being, you know, manipulative bitch. Yeah. Yeah. We should actually give everybody kind of a summary. Oh yeah. Of what it actually is. You guys describe the show. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's essentially, it follows Jodie and Jasper Collins. And they, they each have a background. One, Jodie is a realtor and doesn't really have a name for herself at all. And suddenly gets this reality show where she, where she, HGTV, HGTV type show where he goes, she goes house to house. And they didn't, the network doesn't like it. So they bring in Jasper, her brother, who's already has, has passed fame with being, being a medium. So he is, he already, he's a pseudo celebrity already. A lot of the jokes in the show were people knowing who he was and no one knowing who she was. Yeah. So that's what the, and then the sibling rivalry comes into play with that as well. You know, the bitterness of someone being more, more successful than you, you being in an industry where you don't really have any credentials, you know, and just trying to make it your own, which is something I think we can all relate to too. Oh yeah. Yeah. A lot of people in any, in any industry, you know, starting from the bottom. And at the same time, when you take what could be just very, something rudimentary and you try and turn it into a reality show, that's why that's where a lot of stuff gets manufactured to where it becomes, well, something needs to happen because what you do, if you flip houses, there's nothing inherently interesting about that. Right. Exactly. There's, there's nothing that's actually interesting about a bunch of guys in Vegas who have a pawn shop. Yeah. There have to be interesting characters. So you have to spice it up. Yeah, exactly. There have to be other things going on. And that's where it comes into reality TV, you know. Yeah. And overall, her not being the best realtor to begin with and him honestly not being the best medium to begin with. So it's just, you know, he's the art of bullshitting. Yeah, exactly. And it really is, which is, you know, fake it till you make it. And that's essentially what propelled their careers. Right. Is them faking it and making it. But the two siblings, um, they, they do have some redeeming qualities. Yeah. We gave them a few. Yeah. Yeah. They, uh, they do have a lot of love for each other deep down. Yeah. Yeah. They're not terrible people at all. Right. It's just, yeah, they, they butt heads a lot and they're different. They're brother and sister. Yeah. They're very, they're very different. They look different. They, they act different. You know, they're, yeah, we, we both have sisters. So I think we, uh, we drew a lot from that. Yeah. I do too. Maybe that's why I relate. Although I get along great with my sister, but there, there's certain areas where we butt heads. So, right. And I think everyone can relate to that. Even if, even if you're an only child, you have sibling type relationships, you know, with friends and stuff. So I think everyone can relate to that. Yeah. Yeah. So they go through and they're basically trying to make this show happen. She's trying to flip houses. He's trying to clear them of spirits. Right. And, uh, yeah. Fulfilling his own narrow purposes. Yeah. And, uh, he, he's doing, yeah, he, I don't want to give too much away, but, um, he, they're, help her out, um, deep down, you know, and, but, uh, yeah, the whole sharing the spotlight isn't, isn't good for them. They, they don't, they don't do that. Well, share the spotlight. Yeah. Siblings usually don't work out in show business. Right. I think Donnie Marie or it, otherwise anything with black crows just broke up. So then that didn't work. Oh yeah. Oh man. They just packed it in after 24 years. I mean, I wouldn't say it's a failure after 24 years, but they had a few, uh, they had a few good hits. They did. Yeah. But, um, yeah, it's, I, I honestly, I was, I was way impressed because as I said, I didn't see the script. I was just like, I want to be involved because I believe in, in Candace and John so much. And I, I knew you guys just kind of in, well, yeah, but you knew that. I knew them for sure. Yeah. Like I hadn't, I, I'd crossed paths with the two of you. It was like a heads up. Yeah. Actually good for, yeah, exactly. And, um, I just thought, Oh, this is fun. I mean, the pitch video too was brilliant. Yeah. I honestly really liked the kind of one minute reel. Yeah. Um, and, and I liked the fact that you guys did a little holiday video too. Oh, thanks. Yeah. Yeah. That's so now. Yeah. Christmas. Yeah. Yeah. I thought that was a lot of fun. And they popped right back in character too. Yeah. Cause that was a few months after we, we were done filming. Yeah. That was like three, three months later. Yeah. That was shot like a week from Christmas. Yeah. Cause I follow the show on social media. Yeah. Nice. Good. You should too. Everything, everything's scared houseless. Everything at scared houseless. Pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. Every form of social media is scared houseless and youtube.com. Some other scared houses popped up. Well, you guys probably heard this, but there's apparently a show. I don't know if it's a TV show or a web thing called scared homeless. Yeah. And then we were a ton of people. When we were, when we were, you know, writing the script, we kept thinking, we're like, is there something out already too similar for this? Cause you know, everything in TV has already been done. Oh yeah. And online, everybody has a domain for whatever name you've come up with. And we, we had a few scares as we were writing it where, where one of us found something. It's like, Oh fuck. People messaged me a couple of times. They're like, did you see this? And it's like scared something. And I'm like, like, yeah. And then we had a few panic attacks and then we read this synopsis or watch some of it. And we're like, Oh no, no, no, it's not us. It's not us. You know what? I was surprised. Cause ours is more, you know, and I think the saving grace for that was ours is more of a commentary on reality TV and on the horror genre and things like that. Oh yeah. No, it is. It's, it's almost satirical in the way it looks at reality TV, which is one of the things I like about it is the way it kind of plays the satire side of it. Yeah. And how, yeah. Making a, yeah. A lot of that came from, I worked in a lot of different reality TV shows. Yeah. Yeah. I worked in reality TV a lot too. Yeah. And there's, there's, you see some crazy shit there. So I have no doubt people will do anything. That's where the crazy people are. Yeah. That's where a lot of people think like, Oh, in Hollywood, the actors are crazy. It's the reality. It's the reality stars that are. Yeah. Well, it's the funny part is to be, that's who they are. The way, the way people think it's actually a launch pad for their career. It's never panned out for anybody. Oh, well, Nene Leakes. A few. I think Nene Leakes. I love Nene. Oh, you love Nene. We named a character after Nene. We named Nene. I didn't have a choice in the matter. Yeah. I named a character Nene. Like push me aside. That was, that was our nod to reality. You know, Nene Leakes, she, you know, she was in Real Housewives of Atlanta. Oh, was she? And then she did Glee and she did the new normal. And now she's playing on Broadway. She's in Cinderella. She's the, the stepmother, I believe. Wow. And Cinderella. Yeah. I know her name, but I didn't know where she got started. You're welcome Nene Leakes for that shout out. I mean, Nene Leakes is great. I had an interaction with her at work once and it was, it was amazing. And I'm like, so happy that, you know, I was able to. She touched you. She slapped me actually. Yeah. Really? But not like hard. Not like a reality TV slap. That doesn't. Can I get a photo? She slapped me on the shoulder. Cause I was like, accidentally photo bombed her photo. It wasn't, I don't think it was accidental. Was it? No, it was accident. I was, I was trying to get close to her and then realized they were taking a photo. So I was like, Oh, sorry, let me get out of the way. Yeah. So it was half accident, half me stalking. Nene, by the way, played hilariously by Sherry Bass. I thought that was funny. That's another character. Oh yeah. We wanted, oh yeah. We wanted her more. That made me laugh out loud when I watched that scene. That and, God, what's her name again? Winsong. I can't remember her name. Mystic Fog. Mystic Fog. Yeah. Oh, Winsong. She was great. Can be her sister. Cause that's a good, I was sure they were all called with the name. The girl who played, wait, what was the name? I missed it. Winsong. Winsong. Oh, that's a good one. Season two. That could be her twin sister. I will be a staff writer on season two. Yeah, right? Yes. Absolutely. Which is, which is the, one of the aspirations for it, right? You guys like to do another season, another episode. It's being talked about. Yeah. We, we really did Scared House List as a crash course to learning everything in the industry. Like we, we tried to write, produce and direct our own thing to see what it would be like to see, you know, what we can do with it. And yeah, and this is, we learned a lot. Really, really lame, but just because, you know, we're, we're both writers and we, we just, we never saw any of our characters come to life before. Yeah. It was really cool to see that. It is the best thing ever. And as a young writer, as a young writer, that's something you really don't get to see much of. Yeah. Because you just write a script and move on. You, you know, you, if you even get staffed on the show, there's a few years where you're just writing other people's characters. This was a good, you know, this was a really cool opportunity to see our own characters come to life. Oh yeah. And see what we can do with it. And this, the story behind us starting, together, because we, me and Dan, before the web series, we were coworkers and not much more. And then we did something at work. We hated each other. That we weren't supposed to do. And after that, it was, it was not sexual. Yeah. Run day boo in the janitor's closet. No, we, we did something we shouldn't have and we woke up. Yeah, right? We did something. We'll see you. And then, we watched, we watched a scene be filmed at work and for a TV show that we won't talk about. Ah, okay. And, um, it was, that moment we were like, it was, we really appreciated the moment. You got in trouble for that? No, we didn't get in trouble, but we, we kind of snuck in. But we might now. We might now. Um. Wait, wait a minute. A TV show made in Los Angeles? Yeah. Man, they're going to pick up on that one. I know. That narrows it down. So we, we like snuck into an area where we could really watch it. And, uh, Dan, I had to really convince Dan to push the envelope. Oh, I was being so lame about it. I was like, Dan, let's go, let's go, let's go here, let's go here, let's go here, let's go a little further. No, they're going to find out. That's how I, that's very how I am. It's like pushing, pushing a little further, pushing the envelope. How far can I go before I get in trouble? And that's, after that, yeah, that's what, that's, and then I think a week later I pitched it to him. Yeah. And I told him that was the reason why. You know what? No other reason. And honestly, no other reason. Now, awful to work with. We're not doing a season two. My, well, at least when it comes to lunch, yes. But, uh, I mean, that honestly has been my view of why, even the reason I do this show, like it's not cause I'm, it's a windfall of cash for me. It's just, it's easy to do. Right. I have the means to do it. I do a fair to Midland job at it. So I thought, fine, I'm just going to do a weekly show for an hour. I could, I could chat with people about things and with people I find interesting. And same thing with filming videos. I mean, I, when I started doing podcasting, I started with friends of mine back in New Jersey. And then we eventually started doing sketch videos and we've done like, we've done like a, we did about 30 videos together and they shot a few things. And then watching what they did, I thought, I want to do something. Yeah. And this, and you know, and this was long before, uh, moving out here. Right. And actually being within, within studio walls and, and seeing things done up close. And I thought, I want to do that. And it was very, and that was another reason I want to see kind of how you guys did it. Cause everything I've ever done has been recorded on a camcorder. Right. And edited with like windows. Oh yeah. If we didn't have Twan, it would have been recorded on a, on a high end video camera. Yeah. It would have been, recorded on a potato. With Windows Movie Maker. Yeah. Um, yeah, we were fortunate. Twan, Twan really saved our butts with a lot of stuff. Um, again, Twan Dang, T-H-U-A-N. Dang, as in dang. As in dang. Dang. Dang. It's Twan. As in something your fictitious Nini might say. And will say in season two. Yeah. Right. For the spec script I'm working on. Look out for that. Yeah. Submit it to scaredhouseless at gmail.com. Yeah. We got that too. Oh yeah? Yeah. Well, you heard it here folks. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to, I'm going to team her up with a wind song. Nini and wind song. They're good. They would have a spinoff. Yeah. I could see them two having a spinoff. Nini and wind song. Yeah. In Manhattan. Dude, yeah. Yeah. Spirit talkers. Yeah. High end realtors. Oh, that would be cool. Yeah. That would be a reality TV spinoff too. Yeah. Yeah. Ooh. We shouldn't be putting this out in the air. Someone's going to scoop it up. Stealing all of our ideas. Somebody in the industry is listening and saying, God damn it. That's the idea. Get this down. Someone's got a pitch meeting in the morning already. Just listening to the show. It's like, shit. Yeah. Why didn't I think of that? Nobody's going to know. Nobody's listening to this show. All right. So what's next then? What are you guys working on now? You guys working on anything together separately? Yeah. We're working on, we're working on some stuff together. We're working on something that we probably not going to film, but it's just something for us that'll hopefully further our careers. And, it'll, it's just great to write together. Honestly, it's a great experience. And I think, at this point, now that we don't, we're not going to film this next thing we're writing. It's a, it's a lot easier because now we're like, oh, well, we just have to write it. Yeah. Cool. You know, we don't have to be like, oh, well, we have a, you know, a thousand dollar budget for six weeks or six, six days. So, you know, we have to film inside. I mean, this week, you know, yeah, it's really giving us creative freedom. Yeah. Cause you get to write openly without considering location. That was, that was a big thing. We had to worry about locations and, oh, we, yeah, we, we did a few, a few, uh, uh, scenes where we wrote them out and we're like, this is really cool. And we're like, oh wait, but we actually have to film this. Okay. We can't, we can't do this. Nevermind. Nope. Delete it. Yeah. I think that happens where like you, you get close to production. You think, oh man, this isn't going to work. Is it? It's great on the page, but it's going to be too grand to share. It's so cool. If we had an earthquake. Yeah. Yeah. You need to shake the camera. Even, even, even some of the things we did, we got over, we got over ambitious and we had to make it work. Oh yeah. Those are the, but those are the moments we look back on and we're like, wow, we made that fucking work. And you know what we were able to do. It's very, like I said, scenes and again to the actors, it's a triple. Oh yeah. Because we had some long one take monologues. A long, and they looked at us and were like, wait, we're filming this through. And we're like, yeah, it would just be like, all right, just, just run it and see what we can do. And it would come out first take and we do a couple takes still. All the actors in it were amazing. But they were, they were quick with it. They just, I think it was a crash course for them too. We were very lucky. We were really, we really pushed, you know, cause we had so, so much to do. Yeah. We had to fight daylight a lot of the time. Yeah. Yeah. I've had to do that too. Oh yeah. And I've, I've been accused of being too wordy as well. So I say, well, you know what I'm saying? Put it in your own words, but convey, just convey. Make it better. Yeah. Like make it sound natural. Just, I probably wrote it where it like, it reads great, but it doesn't sound good. Like no one would actually say something bad. Yeah. Yeah. Which is that same, it's just like exercising. Yeah. Just like work that out. Like, oh, this is how it's going to actually be delivered. What? You lost me. You said exercising. Sorry. Making a movie, making a web series, like making a sandwich. Yeah. Good night, Eric. Don't get to eat it. A sandwich you can watch. Yeah. Wait a minute. That changes everything. A lot of layers in sandwiches. And in our characters. Right? Actually, you know what? Since you mentioned the earthquake shaky cam thing, you guys didn't do, it doesn't resemble found footage at all, which I was so happy about. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Cause that's, I'm so fucking sick of found footage. Oh yeah. Right. I, we did actually a kind of a takeoff of found footage. The guys from the only podcast that matters. And I, we did one called a lost and found where it was a bunch of footage that we'd collected and a few things we shot just for that sake where it's like, we found all this footage. Yeah. Yeah. But it wasn't, yeah, it wasn't actually scary. Yeah. There, there is a sequel to that. That's like 75% done. That may come out eventually. But while I'm plugging, yeah, everybody check out the only podcast that matters, which is 200 episodes of fun and youtube.com slash the only podcast. If you want to see some more videos after you subscribe to scared house list. Yes. Go check out the stuff I did with the only podcast that matters. Cause there's more to come now that we, I'd say we have, I mean, we're in a city where that's honestly bursting with, with talent. Oh yeah. Even, even for as many as, as many names as people don't know, or as many people who are just working stiffs, they just happen to be actors and writers and whomever. We've a very talented circle that we move in. I have to say. So it's kind of all the more reason to finally move out here. And having the means to do it too. Like everything, you know, like I was saying before, it's so easy to do where you can just rent a camera. Or I mean, everybody does something else. Right. You know, I mean, everybody does also does lighting or does, yeah, we use a lot of, we did a lot, like, you know, some of our actors were helped us light the set or anything like that. So we, you use, utilized everything. We utilized everything. Yeah. And everyone. Yeah. Yeah. And, and it works, but that's, I mean, there's, there's so many talented people where it's just like, well, why not do it? Yeah. I mean, I have a couple of things, a couple of ideas slash scripts in the hopper that I think, is there something I can make on my own? That'd be quick. Maybe like a short film, like a 30 minute movie. So I'm considering things like that now. Yeah. A bunch of, I mean, John and I wrote a stat. We literally wrote like 12 sketches together a year ago. Oh yeah. And we keep saying, we're going to film them and we're going to sit down and refine them. And we are going to, I think that in a way this show is, I'm saying this, this show that we're doing right now, I'm not scared of those. Two Degree is, is going to open the doors for some more things for the sake of at least kind of getting, getting the ball rolling on, on keeping everybody working together and having, even me just having a routine. I think it just makes me better knowing that. Every Monday I do this. Everything we do, it helps. It helps in the game, you know, it helps us further our careers and helps us just be better at everything. And it's no matter what you do, it's, yeah, it's all practice. Yeah. I think the one thing, the one big thing we had to overcome was like, we had to be afraid. We had to overcome our fear that it might be kind of shitty. Yeah. Yeah. And you just got to do it. You just got to put it out there. Yeah. There were a few times we just looked at each other. We're like, what was shitty about it? And let's fix it and do another thing. Yeah. That's what you got to do. And that happens, you know, not everything's a hit. But when it, when it comes out though, when you actually get to see it, you think, wow, it's that gratification. It's like, wow, I wrote that. We just did, you know, 90 minutes of stuff and we're proud of it. And that's really. And it's something I think we can utilize. What mattered the most was that we were both proud of it. And for a debut, like I said, incredibly strong. And I would like to see more. I really hope a season two happens. And we'll follow the development. We'll keep up on everybody. Speaking of which, social media, where can you guys be followed? Obviously, Scared House is everything, but you're obviously a fan of Instagram. Yes, I am. I was going to plug in personal Instagram. We need at least 44 people to follow Eric. Yes, I need my 44 fucking people back. It's at, I hate Eric Wilson. So it's pretty straightforward. At, Scared Houseless. I hate Eric Wilson. That's second only to my, my Chris sells out. Yeah. I hate Eric Wilson. And I made that back in college. I was very. It's my catchphrase too. That's good though. I like that. Thank you. Dan, where can people follow you? You're on Instagram now. Dan LaBray, I don't, I don't hate. Okay. So when he first got Instagram, really quick story. When he first got Instagram, he made us name DJ Doonstar, something really stupid. And I was like, there's no way Dan LaBray has actually taken, just make your fucking Instagram name, Dan LaBray. He was like, no, no, no, no. Two days later, I wanted to be cool. Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah. I did that too. My original name. He chose his aim name. His AIM name. Yeah. I did. It's easier to make your name for the sake of, of branding yourself to use a well-worn term. But like my first, yeah, my first Twitter handle was Chris underscore A underscore rocks, which is pretty lame. And, uh, R O X. No, R O C K S. Oh, okay. Which is the only, the only joke I got out of it was if you're looking for at Chris rock, that's somebody else. Yeah. But otherwise I was just like, it should just be at Chris Abalo. Yeah. But, um, speaking of which, follow this show on Twitter and Instagram at Kate pod. Give the show the thumbs up on Facebook. Look for Chris Abalo's podcast experiment. Once again, subscribe on iTunes on Stitcher and show, show us a little love. So that's it. Thank you guys for coming in. Thanks for having us. Thanks for having us. This was great. You guys will be back. Yeah. And so anytime, anytime until next week, this is Chris Abalo for Eric Wilson and Dan low brace. And this was yet another experiment. If you think this hasn't been something here at the studio.