Get the knives out. Dish is about to be served. Outrageous. Are you kidding? I've been inside only one woman after I was born. The Statue of Liberty. Provocative. If it's a pain in the ass, honey, you're not doing it right. Pop culture. Meanwhile, she's on the cover of Us Weekly. Dating. Boyfriends are like jobs. Except he probably stopped sucking after a year. Wicked. What do I look for in a guy? My dick. Smart. Sexy. Contemporary. I mean, I can't. Porn again. The podcast. Hi, everyone. It's Josh Sabara here with my lovely blue Louboutin nails, which I have ready for DragCon. Oh, yes. Oh, there I am. RuPaul's DragCon. Yay. So I'm here today with my guest, Jason Carter. Hi, everybody. I'm the stunningly handsome television host and former dancer. I still dance from time to time. Okay. From time to time does not make you a dancer. Does not make it the dancer. I jump off a swing from time to time. I'm not in Cirque du Soleil, Jason. And part of RuPaul's Drag Race pit crew since the show's third season. Yes. Thank you so much for being here. Hey, Josh. Thank you so much for having me on the show. I was like looking forward to coming and hanging out with you. Well, who wouldn't? I mean, right. Don't even start that list. That will take the whole time. So typically, before we get into talking about you, and we will get there, I usually discuss things that are going on in the media or in the news that are sort of irritating to me that week. And I have a lot this week to discuss, and I'm so interested to get your take on them. So we were talking before about Beyonce. Beyonce. The beehive. You got to be careful. The beehive's everywhere. So Beyonce put out another surprise album, Lemonade. Yeah. Seemingly about her relationship issues with Jay-Z. So first of all, I wanted to know what you think of the album in terms of music and its art, in terms of art. Well, you know, I think that if- While I enjoy my Starbucks. I think Lemonade, artistically and conceptually, it's fantastic. I think it's Beyonce's most revealing and most humanistic work ever because, you know, and on December 13th of 2013, she put out the Beyonce album. Like, I was at the World of Wonder Christmas party, and all of a sudden, like, phones are going off. Beyonce has a new album, blah, blah, blah. But so this time around, I think the whole hype behind Lemonade, first of all, I was like, what's in a name? Like, really, Lemonade? Let's say Mariah Carey's name titles from the 90s, Butterfly, Rainbow, Lemonade, Sriracha. You know, it's really crazy. But I think it's really, I think it's great. I think you have to, as with the last album, you have to really listen. You have to really listen to it in its entirety to really see what she's talking about. And if there is trouble in paradise, that is by far the most amazing divorce announcement ever because she put it all out there. She's like, I'm mad. Something has transpired to make her. Well, that is basically what I wanted to ask you. Do you think that it really speaks to their marriage, or do you think it's basically a piece of marketing? I think there's truth. There's probably some truth behind it. I mean, there has to be. To, you know, pain sparks creativity. Beyonce, granted, she's brilliant. I mean, she's a brilliant businesswoman. I've bought, I've been a Beyonce fan since summer of 98 with Destiny's Child. When I was like, who names their kid Beyonce? We're like, what, Beyonce? Like, we couldn't even speak. Like, what is that name? You know what I mean? I always wanted to do, like, I always wanted to pitch a show to, like, HGTV, like, where it's called Bed Bath & Beyonce, where she sits and helps you make macrame plant holders and things like that, where you make things. But the music, the music, though, I, okay. The music's fantastic, but I do think there's probably something that's happened to make her write these things because they're very, it's very revealing. And the lyrics, if there's a song on there called, called Six Inch, which is the best track on the album, the video, the visual is amazing. She's burning down. She's basically talking like she grinds from Sunday to Friday. She works really hard. She's saying that she deserves everything that she has. And if you watch the video, it's like, wow. And then you have songs like Don't Hurt Yourself, where she says, you know, you fuck up again, you're going to lose your wife. So I think there's, there are things that have happened. Maybe that aren't as bad as we're probably imagining them to be that have inspired her to write this music. And also she's a feminist, you know, last, on the last album, she had a song called Flawless, where she had a Chimamanda, she had an African speaker talking about, you know, the role, what is feminism, you know? And so I think Beyonce, if, to answer your question, if it is a marketing thing, it's going off without a hitch because women are definitely getting in formation for this album. I don't know. I think that for the first time. For the first time with her, people feel like they're being marketed to. I think people are a little onto it this time. Well, I know. It seems a little contrived to me, the surprise album and then the being so, I don't know. I just, it just seems like, I think, you know, I think she has a lot of smart people around her. You know, I think personally, I think you're giving her more credit for being smart herself. I think that she has a lot of people around her. Sure. I'm not saying she's not talented. I'm just not certain that she's going to be. The mastermind. The mastermind behind the whole, well, with any star. I don't think she's launching rockets at NASA on the weekends. That's just my two, that's just my guess. And you know what, Jonathan, your guess is a lot of people share that. Josh. Josh, sorry. I just got called Jonathan on my own show. No, I was thinking Jonathan. I had to address that because it just happened on my own show. I'm like, he's like, who the fuck is Jonathan? Josh, I was thinking about my manager's name is Jonathan. He just emailed me. I, you know, I can see where you're coming from. I do. I do. I think that from the Superbowl, because she got a lot of flack from, you know, with the whole Black Panther scene, you know, Tomi Lahren from The Blaze let her have it on, you know, saying that she used the world stage to promote hate and racism and police brutality. But again, The Blaze. I mean, we're talking about Glenn Beck's company, right? Yeah. I mean, please. I know. But, um, I mean, the only thing about her, the only thing I don't like about her is how contrived she is when she gives us her work. You know, as we, we put food in her mouth, we consume, we, we buy her stuff. Right. So make it accessible and make it easy, easy for your audience, your fans, the people that matter, that keep you afloat to have, you know, HBO was free all weekend for the Lemonade premiere. And it's no, you cannot, you can't stream it anymore. You can only get it when you download the album. Right. So thank God I T-boiled it or DVR'd it, sorry. But, um. Because otherwise you wouldn't have downloaded it? Absolutely not. I would download the album. I mean, I buy tracks. I'm not going to buy the whole album. I've heard the whole album, but I buy music that I, I buy the tracks that I like. You know, that's the beauty of iTunes and all these different digital purchasing. I'm the stupid one who buys the whole thing. Depends if it's an, if it's an artist like Mariah Carey, who, as you know, I'm a huge fan of, I'm going to buy the whole album, Ariana Grande, but Beyonce. The donut licker. Hey, watch your mouth. I've licked a couple of donuts. I didn't put them back, but I've licked a couple of donuts. I eat donuts, but I don't go into Dunkin' and lick them. But musically in conclusion though, Josh, Beyonce, good for her. I think, I think the body of work is awesome. I think that she, good for her for being able to create, you know, a cohesive body of work that sounds great. It's fun to listen to. It's thought provoking. And who knows? The Formation World Tour kicked off last week in Miami. Rave reviews from people. I mean, you watch on YouTube and stuff. So she's obviously doing something right. Well, and how did you feel about, you know, she just performed in North Carolina and she did not back out of that performance as many artists have done. And she sort of made a statement that was supportive of LGBT causes, but it was kind of a day late and a dollar short. Yeah. She sort of came to that late. How'd you feel about that? Well, you know, I think. He says as he sips on it. I know. I think, well, she, Beyonce is, well, okay, there's, there's a lot of speculation that Beyonce hops on the bandwagon for certain causes when it's convenient for her, right? Back to our marketing discussion. Yes. I want to be brutally honest with you and for your listeners. I haven't thought about that. That's a very good question. I haven't thought about that. But if I had, I think that, yeah, she should be more aware of what's going on in the world outside of her bubble and to know that there is, you know, issue. Brewing within the LGBT community in that state and to what's canceling one concert. And then there was. By the way, I'm not saying I, I'm not saying one way or another, whether it's canceling or not canceling, but she hadn't spoken on the issue before she did a show there. Well, they, but also. So that seems a little self-serving to come out with a comment when you're already in the city weeks after this stuff's going on. Well, I think I read an article though, Josh, that she, the show got canceled because of something electrical happened at the stadium that they couldn't. At North Carolina, North Carolina. Maybe it was on Yahoo or, or Manchester. I think I was reading that this morning. So who knows? But if, I mean, nonetheless. We know she didn't cancel for. For. Right. For the right, for the right reason. Okay. So another thing that I find fascinating is, so I feel like all these Broadway actresses, I don't know if you follow theater at all. I saw Kinky Boots in New York. It was amazing. It's great, right? So good. Okay. So all of these actresses, people are bringing cell phones into the theaters. They're tech. Texting. Things are happening. And. How do I, how do I, I can't, I can't hear you, Josh. I'm trying to turn me up. I don't know. There you go. Okay, perfect. That's better. So all of these Broadway actresses, like there'll be somebody who, who comes into the theater with a cell phone, like Patti LuPone is notorious for it, where she'd stop a show and chastise an audience member for having a cell phone. Sure. She took somebody's cell phone at another performance. Well, the latest one is an actress named Laura Benanti, who's very well known. And she stopped a matinee performance of a show called She Loves Me, which she's starring in with Jane Krakowski right now because a cell phone rang during it. So she stopped the show and she basically said, we'll wait. Yeah. Now she got press because she stopped the show and did that. Like playbill.com wrote about it. It sort of hit the internet. And I always think to myself, like, really, it's almost more of a press thing to me. I don't know that that's what she was thinking, but to stop a show, to make a statement, I mean, people love it. People know they're not supposed to have their phones in the theater. And there are ushers standing all over the place. So why don't we let them look for the phones and take care of that and not stop a show? You're supposed to act like there's no cell phone going off, is my opinion. And then she tweeted and she basically said that she had to say something because it was during her quiet, quietest, most vulnerable moment of the show. So if it had happened in a more upbeat part of the show, she'd have been fine with it. What the fuck is that? I feel like. Exactly. What the fuck is that is a great question, Josh. Bitch, please. It's like, if you're, the show must go on. You know, as a performer myself. Right. You know, if I have a wig and I'm performing, my wig falls off. I keep it moving. You know. How often do you have a wig? This month? Because DragCon is in May. May is National Wear Wig every fucking Friday month. All right. But I think that's a little bit over the top. I mean, if you're. I agree. I don't think people should have phones out in the theater and they shouldn't be texting and they shouldn't be tweeting. You know, in a movie theater, the actors don't have the luxury. Angelina Jolie doesn't walk around and say, please stop texting. Yeah. In the theater, it's a different experience. I get that. And I understand that it's rude to the performers, but they need to be able to focus and keep performing and let people who are policing the audience, police the audience. And if she, and if honestly, Josh, yes, police the audience. Absolutely. And honestly, Josh, if she's that involved in her performance as she should be in that connected. Her quietest, most vulnerable moment. Tony, that's going to get her to Tony. Yeah. Then a phone ringing is nothing. Right. Meanwhile, she gets press and playbill. She can bite my ass. Okay. So now speaking of Broadway, we need to go to Jennifer Hudson for a minute. J-Hud? So Jennifer Hudson is what I call bitter on Twitter. Have we hashtagged that yet, Josh? Bitter on Twitter. On Twitter. Because, okay. So the color purple scored Tony nominations, but J-Hud did not for her performance. So on the Tony's website. On the Tony's website, they list the shows that have been nominated. Right. And the synopsis of the show starts with Jennifer Hudson makes her Broadway debut in, so somebody tweeted and said they couldn't believe that the description of the show on the Tony's website mentioned her when she didn't even get a nomination. Right. So Jennifer Hudson tweeted and said, my presence was used for my celebrity, not my talent. I'm not surprised. Well, didn't Brandy and Fantasia, weren't, didn't Brandy and Fantasia. This is a revival. It's a revival of the color purple. I know, but what I'm saying. Fantasia was in the, was, I mean, Fantasia was in the, the original version. Got it. But I mean, my celebrity was used. First of all, let's talk celebrity. Okay. So she wins. So she has an Oscar. For Dreamgirls, which. Right. That was really, she should have had a Grammy. She won an award for singing because we know the girl can't really act. Right. Okay. I saw, I worked on Sex and the City, the movie. I saw scenes that did not appear and I saw other takes and let me just say. Well, I mean, J, J-Hud's talented. I mean, she, she definitely, look. You could work for the UN. You're very diplomatic. Jennifer Hudson. She's a great singer. She's not an actress. But she was looking damn good in the Weight Watchers commercials. Even I was like, I'm going to go straight for Jennifer Hudson. She was hot. But she is not a good actress. No, you're right. You're right. So. She has an Oscar. The girl has an Oscar. I bet Beyonce was pissed about that. I mean, but, but to say my presence was used for my celebrity, not my talent. And I'm not surprised. First of all, to be so vocal. Right. I'm not surprised as though her experience on the show has not been good. You know, who says that publicly? And also to say that, that she's basically saying like, I'm talented. You know, they're, they're overlooking my talent. Right. She was used for her celebrity. Nevermind the fact that maybe she just wasn't good enough to get a Tony nomination. Right. That's a, that's not an option. That leads us to, to wondering, are most stars delusional, delusional, delusional? Are you really, you really asking that? Well, yeah, because like. I don't think, I think, I don't think anybody would be surprised. Yes. But I just think it's funny that, that the idea that maybe she didn't deserve it is not at issue. Right. It's simply that she was being used for her celebrity. I will say though, I will say that her scenes in Empire were some of the best of the show. And since we're talking about Jennifer Hudson and her acting ability, were some of the best You mean when she played like a preacher? The preacher, yeah. That was a bizarre. No, she wasn't a preacher. She was the MFT. She was his therapist. Okay. Whatever. Whatever. Who got a little too touchy. She was touchy feely and a little too, like that was a bizarre thing because there's that one scene where he's in the, they're in there, there's one, sorry, people who don't watch Empire. I mean, I stopped after season one cause I just can't anymore. It was, it got so bad, but there's that one scene where she goes over to him. You almost think that. They're going to do it. That they're going to, that something sexual is going to happen. And then of course it doesn't. But what the fuck is a music therapist? Well, because he. They needed an excuse. Okay. I'm just saying that rhetorically they needed an excuse to have her sing. So she's a music therapist. That's any guest star that's on there. There's so many people on this show that are like, why are you on this show? Like really? Empire. I can't. Okay. So now one little political thing. So in an interview with Howard Stern, Anderson Cooper said that he likely won't vote in this presidential election. And he says, I don't think reporters should vote. It's a thing he said, but he, he's still a citizen, right? So don't you think that he still has the right to vote? Do you think he still has the rights and the duties of a citizen? I mean, I understand trying to, you know, be totally impartial in your work, but you're still a human being who has the rights of a citizen. Well, the rights of a citizen, you know, I, Anderson Cooper to me is one of those sexy sly fox, Adonis gods walking amongst us. He's very handsome. Very handsome. And he's smart. And he's, and as a host myself, I love watching him. I agree. I think Anderson Cooper, you know. I don't mean I agree as in a host myself. I mean, I agree as in, I enjoy watching him. He's fun to watch. And he, you know, even when he's being intense, he, he finds a way to temper being serious with, with humor. And like, he's just, he's just, he's so good at what he does. He's a consummate professional to me. If he doesn't want to vote, he doesn't want to vote. You know, he probably feels. But to me, a non-vote is a vote for Trump. Okay. And, and maybe. That's how I see it. Sorry, Susan Sarandon. Absolutely. Not Susan Sarandon, Deborah Messing or whoever is that Twitter war that everybody's all upset about. Bette Midler. But he's probably also because Anderson Cooper has privy to a lot more information than we probably don't. You know, and he sees a lot, probably sees things, or he probably is experiencing this whole, every cap, every presidential election differently than how we view it on television. So for him, he's probably over it, you know, and there could be, there could be a myriad of reasons why he wouldn't, wouldn't vote. And yes, he's an American citizen, you know, he has opportunity to do it, but if he chooses not to do it, I say, you know, to each their own, you know, I'm not, I'm not registered to vote in California. Am I going to hell for that? Do you hear? Do you hear my silence? I know. And it's so funny, Josh, because at work, people, they get really fired up about politics. Like fire, like almost to the point of tears when it comes to talking about politics. And I didn't grow up. I don't really talk about it. I don't really, I mean, to say, not to say that I don't care, obviously I care what goes on in our country. Absolutely. Sure. I just, I know that. I mean, I have a certain way of thinking. I don't believe that I'm going to change people's minds by talking about it. We all think what we think. So I go about my... I, I go about doing what I need to do as a citizen and I vote and I vote the way my mind and my heart tells me to vote, but I don't go around and sort of try to convince people to follow along. It's like all my vegan friends, you know, that lose their mind. Don't get me started on the vegan. But like, you know, they, they, they, I appreciate Josh's passion. I appreciate commitment, you know, and taking a strong stance on things. But when it comes to a point of almost abusive or, or it's condescending in the tone they use to talk to you about certain things because you don't feel or agree, I don't have time for that. Like I have a friend who's all about feel the burn. Yeah, but it's because they're very, it's like they're angry because they had to eat cashew cheese and they couldn't actually have real pizza. Right. And I have a friend... I'd be upset too. At the end of the day though, you can't... I'd be angry if I was drinking silk. Silk is great. Silk is very good actually. But... Seitan Parmesan. At the end of the day, Josh, you can't, we, you can't fix a country that's more than 200 years old in eight years. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In eight years. You know, like there's... Speak for yourself. There's so many things that... Don't underestimate me. Oh, you. Yes. Cause you know, you're, you and Oprah are like on the same, like you're, you're like the Jewish Oprah. Well, Oprah and I have a lot in common. What? We both love bread. I love bread. That, okay. The joy is I can eat bread all day. It's like bread, Oprah. Okay. You have such a good, yeah, that's such a great impersonation. Can you do it again? Here's the thing. Here's the thing. What's the thing, Oprah? I love bread. I love bread. I love bread. I love bread. Here's the thing. I love bread. I love bread. I love bread. You're like, girl, go get yourself some like focaccia. Look, they have a limited bread and salad at freaking Olive Garden. Have at it. Buy, buy an Olive Garden, Oprah. Do it. Have at it, girl. I always wanted to have like, I want to have like a dog, dogs named Oprah and Gail. Yeah. Cause can you imagine being like, Oprah, stop licking Gail. Oprah, don't sniff Gail's ass. I'm going to take Oprah out. I'll be like, Oprah, get off the... Get off the bed. You're talking to somebody on the phone. You're like, I've got to go. I got to take Oprah. No. Oprah just shit on the floor. Anyway. All right. Well, enough of everybody else's nonsense. So tell me how did you wind up on RuPaul's Drag Race? I know you joined in season three. So was there a casting call? Like, how did this happen? You know, it's so funny. I'm lately, not lately. I'd say the last five years. I've been really big about the universe and you know, things coming to fruition. Right. I don't believe in any of that. So let's just skip over it. Okay, cool. So I was teaching. I was teaching a dance class at Goldstrom Hollywood. I was too. What was it? Zumba, right? Every time I walk into a Zumba class after... We're like separated at birth. Right. Except I'm not Jewish. I didn't have a prison. I have things cut off. But I'm buried in the backyard. But I... Wait, so that brings me to that question. Do you prefer circumcised or uncircumcised? I think I'm a little bit more of a circumcised person. I think I'm a little bit more of a circumcised person. I think I'm a little bit more of a circumcised person. I think I'm a little bit more of a circumcised person. I think I'm a little bit more of a circumcised person. I think I'm a little bit more of a circumcised person. I think I'm a little bit more of a circumcised person. I think I'm a little bit more of a circumcised person. I think I'm a little bit more of a circumcised person. I think I'm a little bit more of a circumcised person. It doesn't matter as long as it's pretty. All right. And doesn't smell funny. All right. But I was teaching a class and a friend of the producer took my class. And she said, "Hey, my friend's looking for models for his show. I think he'd be great. Here's his information." She gave it to me and so I reached out. And she said, "Hey, my friend's looking for models for his show. I think he'd be great. Here's his information." She gave it to me and so I reached out. And someone at the production company, this was in February of 2010, emailed me, and I was like, "Eh, whatever." Because I had, believe it or not, audience, I had no clue. Because I had, believe it or not, audience, I had no clue. I mean, I heard about RuPaul's Drag Race, but I'd never watched it. Because it premiered, 2009 it was when it premiered. Right. Right. So, it was... And that's what I'm saying. And that's what I'm saying. Yeah. So, that's what I'm saying. So, that's what I'm saying. So, that's what I'm saying. So, that's what I'm saying. So, that's what I'm saying. So, that's what I'm saying. And it sort of became, I mean, it didn't right out of the gate. Right. I mean, it was... I think it did better than everybody thought, but I think it's sort of become more of a cultural phenomenon. Right. And in season two with Raven and Morgan, that's when it became the conscious, like, "What's this show on Logo?" You know, that. Right. So, and then, for about a good three months, it was like, "I don't know, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Right. Right. And then, for about a good three months, it was back and forth, back and forth with the production company. And then, finally, someone at the production company said, "Hey, you know, it was a Wednesday. You need to come in and audition. Send me a picture of you." And luckily, in January, I had taken these newer shots, so I sent them a picture, called me in, and I went, and they were like, "We need you to dance like a go-go boy." And I was like, "I'm a professional dancer. I don't dance like a go-go boy." It was just stupid. And this... I was in the basement at World of Wonder. They have like a... Where the green screen is. Yeah, the green screen is. Yeah. And I did, and then I didn't hear anything for about two months, and then all of a sudden, I get a... That sounds like such a casting couch moment. Totally. And that's what I thought. We're gonna need you to take your clothes off. That's what I thought. And dance. Yeah. It was very... But I was... I hold similar auditions. I know. You tried... Why do you think I'm here now? And so, I didn't hear anything for a couple months, and then I get a call, like, random, like, "Hey, are you available for the show called RuPaul's Drag Race? You're gonna be a Picker member, blah, blah, blah, and the rest is history." And it's so funny, because when I... From being on the show for as many seasons as I have, and being with Ru and finding out, you always hear backstories about how things come about, and it's just really cool how it happened, you know? And I never in a million years thought... To be on an iconic... 'Cause Drag Race is iconic. Right. Global. I mean, it's an iconic... Well, you're right. It is worldwide. Worldwide. It's global. I mean, people all over are... Yeah, I get tweets from Antarctica. Yeah. I get tweets from Brazil, Iceland. Right. That's how I got on the show, and then, you know, they've had me back. So what's the set like? I imagine it's a fun environment to be in. Drag Race... Well, it's a competition show, so, you know, World of Wonder and Logo, they're very, you know, strict on, you know, the integrity of the show, because, you know, there's a winner, you know, things have to run a certain way. But Drag Race... I love that you just tried to give a lot of gravity to it. You're like, "You know, it is a competition." It is a competition show, and people... Yeah. I'm just gonna go along with it. Josh, well, when people... When, you know, WeHo Confidential, when people start posting, like, pictures, like, so-and-so's off social media, "Ooh, they must be on season," whatever, it's intense, you know? People, like, think they know where they film it. But I liken the set of Drag Race to a bag of Skittles. You never know what flavor is gonna happen on any given day, you know? It's lots of fun. It's very cold on set. Cold temperature-wise? Yes. Or cold in terms of the... The environment. No, it's... Everyone's super friendly, and they have awesome craft servers. But... Isn't that the best? Yeah. I mean, I could stock my pantry for, like, with junk for at least a good three months, but everyone's really cool. It's lots of fun. I love craft services. Me too. It's the best thing on any set ever. Yeah. Me and Red Vines? Intimate relationship. It's fun. So, for listeners who aren't familiar with this show, can you explain to everybody sort of the function of the pit crew? 'Cause you guys don't really talk that much in the show. You're sort of there as accessories in a way. We're ornamental. Yes. We're ornamental. Can you sort of explain how that works? Not functional. Yeah. Well, basically, we just help with the challenges. We help, you know, brew with the challenges. We participate in, if the queens, if there's a challenge where they need a prop, we're human props. And what people don't know about the pit crew, and I'm gonna say this, and I always say this, is that we're actually talented individuals. Like, we don't just... We're not just bodies. And, you know, a lot of people, when they travel around the country and I talk to people, they think, "Oh, we..." I went to Houston, and this guy had said something, he's like, "Well, you're in your underwear right now. I mean, you can't be that smart." And I'm like, "Okay." I mean, and I understand that, you know, that's their perception, but that's, you know, we have to be able to dance, we have to be able to act, you know, we have to be able to sing. Like, there's a lot of things that we have to be able to do in order that if, let's say, the production company, World of Wonders, says, "Hey, guys, when you do this, can you make that happen and do it in a short period of time and make sure it's amazing?" Because, you know, everything they put out is amazing. So it's, on the show, we, yes, we're ornamental. We help out with challenges. We do whatever we can, and then, pretty much, that's it. So, of the current pit crew members, I correct that only Bryce, the redhead, is straight, right? Yeah. Right. So how do you think the experience is different for him? Because I imagine with all of that sort of gay energy- There's a lot of gay energy on this- Apparently, he did not want to join us today, but we'll give him shit for that at DragCon. Shade. Yeah. Bryce is great. You know, I will say this, that our audience, our drag race pit crew audience, always wants to- A couple seasons, a couple episodes ago, there was a top bunk, bottom bunk challenge with Andrew Christian, and so people really took that literal, so now, apparently, I'm this raging bottom, and they're always trying to make Bryce gay. Bryce is very straight. Bryce is definitely- I don't use the words gay friendly, because that's stupid. Bryce is a cool guy. Right. Right. He's secure with his- he's bright. It's like, any- a man, to me, if you have an issue being around gay male, or you feel like that threatens your masculinity or sexuality, then you need to be careful. Yeah. If you're a man, if you're a woman, if you're a man, if you're a woman, if you're a man, if you're a woman, if you're a man, if you're a woman, if you're a woman, if you're a woman, if you're a woman, if you're a woman, if you're a woman, if you're a woman, if you're a woman, then you need to look within yourself and figure out why that's happening. Because my older brother is a hyper-masculine army sergeant. He told me about drag race, and it was like, "This shit's off the hook." And so- And did he actually say, "This shit's off the hook"? Is that how it was explained to you? Yes. Quote, end quote. And so, you know- I'm sure that went over big in the barracks. Well, I mean- He's like, "Girl, this shit is off the hook." He's like, "Hunty." No, but Bryce is definitely cool. Bryce is fun. Bryce is... He's super smart. He's an aerospace engineer. So it's not like he just is some vapid, and that's- So he actually is a rocket scientist. Absolutely. And he's legitimately about his job. But a lot of people think that because they see Andrew Christian models out there that are, I don't know, doing less than desirable things. That's what we do. And if they do their homework, and if they use a search engine called Google- Let's define less than desirable. Less than desirable- Because I have a feeling you and I might see that differently. Well, here's the thing. You'll never catch me dancing on a box. And I have no problem with Google dancers. I just don't do that. And people ask me to do that, and I don't do that. Because I am, in addition to being on the pit crew, I'm also an on-camera personality. I'm a host, so I do other things in the industry that matter to me. People can live their life however they want. They can do whatever they need to do to get the job done, to make your money. That's cool. Who am I to judge? But when people come at you with this misconception that that's what you- Who are you not to? That's right. Well, I mean- Let me just say it again. But when people want to pigeonhole you or automatically label you as this and that, it's like pump the brakes. Again, do your homework, Google a motherfucker, and you'll see that we are more than just bodies and pretty faces. Even if that, because sometimes I feel like a total fatty. You know what I mean? I'm not even going to pay attention to that comment. Do you ever feel, so does everyone in the pit crew get along? Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I mean, it started off with me and Sean, and then we brought on in season six, we brought on two, we brought on Miles and Simon, and then they retooled and brought on me and Miles and Simon. Retooled. That's a good choice of words. They retooled with our tools. Yeah. We all get along. I mean, it's a job. We're professional. It's fun. Well, I mean, you know how many sets I've been on that it's a job and people don't get along? Well, because that's divas and egos. I feel like you're being very, very peaceful. Seriously. I mean, look, if there's any tea to spill, trust me, it would be spilled. But we just do our job and that's it. And it's fun. Are you guys friends off camera? Absolutely. Absolutely. Yes. We definitely hang out. We travel together. And it's such a blessing to be able to go and do a show like that and to have the opportunity to be around someone like RuPaul and to be able to experience that. I'm so thankful all the time that I get to, until Drag Race, I really didn't have a lot of experience with drag queens. Now, it's so impressive to me, Josh, that the talent it takes to assume another responsibility, to create this other persona, to be that flawless, to be able to deliver and perform and just really, really be a different person. Not everyone can do that flawlessly and these people do. So I have a lot of respect for drag queens and what they go through. And I feel like people look at drag outside of our bubble of Los Angeles as men playing dress up, which it is. But it's also a million dollar industry. Right. And it's an art. I mean, it is an art form. Absolutely. For sure. So it's just fun. It's fun. So do you ever feel objectified? Because you guys don't really say much on the show. So I know it's probably flattering to be drooled over because of your looks and your body, but is there a sense for you ever where you feel like, "Oh, I'm kind of a piece of meat here?" You know, Josh, that's a great question. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I think that it's not... It's more so, it becomes a mental mind fuck, and here's why. Because we're known... As you know, the gay community is very... We're brutal. We want equality. We want to be together and love each other, but we're the first to tear each other down. We're the first to be like, "Oh, he's fat," or, "He doesn't have a six pack," or, "I don't date Asians," or, "No black kids," or all these things. And so when you're on a show and you're known for your body, you have to keep that up. You have these, I don't know, these hangups now about how you look. And so it's exhausting after a while, or people don't... On your Instagram, all they want to see you is you in your underwear, or they'll say things in blogs like, "Oh, he must have... He's gained a couple of pounds," or, "He has dad bod," or all these things. So it becomes a job, and sometimes it's a job that you're like, "Ugh, I don't want to go to the gym today," or, "Why do I have to always go out to West Hollywood and look my best?" I mean, naturally, I like to take care of myself, but there's times where I don't... I don't want to be done up to the nines, or have to worry about how I look. I just want to chill and be a normal human being. And granted, when you're in the industry, that's the choice you make. And in our industry, perception's reality, and people, what they see at face value is what they think is reality, right? So it becomes a lot of work, and as far as being objectified, I think one of the people who objectifies me the most is my husband, which I don't mind because he loves me, but you want people to also know that you have... Something to say, and you have a brain, and you have a personality, and you are just as sexy and a turtleneck and some gross jeans as you are, and some Andrew Christians and butt-ass naked with oil. And I think that I'm constantly always putting that out there for people, to know that. Which is good. I mean, people need to feel better about themselves, I think. Sure. So what do you do to stay in such great shape, basically, from diet to exercise? How do you keep that body? You know, luckily, genetics plays a big part, you know, black don't crack. I was a dancer from the time out, from seven till now, I still dance a lot now, so just, you know... But what sort of... Why did you stop? I stopped dancing because I had two back surgeries. Okay. I had two mycolumbar disectomies on my L5S1 at 27, and again at 32. And I'm gonna pretend like I totally understand what you just said. It's your vertebrae, it's in the sacral of your... I'm just gonna, as our mutual friend of ours said, I'm just gonna repeat and agree, just so you've had two back surgeries. Yeah. And it was just a lot of wear and tear on my body, and also, Josh, I'm a firm believer in going by feeling and doing what feels good to you, and dance just didn't feel good anymore. I came to LA to be a dancer. I moved out here in 2001, horrible experience, came back in 2005, and been here ever since, and, you know, danced with Eminem, Gaga, so I just didn't love it anymore, it wasn't fun. And to me, I come from... My parents are divorced. Mm-hmm. So I come from a home where it's you grind. You make it happen. You go, go, go, go, go, and when you have that kind of lifestyle, you dead a lot of emotion in regards to like what you're feeling, and you just, you're like this energizer bunny, so that's why I stopped dancing. But as far as keeping in shape, diet, I'm the firm believer in the intermittent fast. Mm-hmm. Which is so convenient. So convenient. And just work out, consistency, cardio, and just lift weights, you know. So did you have any trepidation about appearing in just your underwear on TV? No. No. Not at all. Not at all. And your family, like they're good, they're like great. Yeah. Like everybody... My aunt, my dad, my... Like I said, my parents are super divorced, so my dad... Not just divorced. Super divorced, yeah. But super divorced. Their divorce wears a cape. Yeah, no, they're... Super. Yeah, mutant status, like Magneto. Magneto divorce. Super divorced. Yeah, no. I had no hangups about appearing in my underwear on TV. I had no... No. And they're cool. I mean, they love Drag Race. They know... I'm not doing anything that's suggestive. I'm not. Right. Right. Right. No, it's fun. But still, it's funny that people have a perception of... Of course. So I was just curious. Yeah. Now, I read somewhere that you have a twin brother. I do. So are you identical twins? We're fraternal. Okay. His name is Brandon. Okay. I always laugh. I always... Brandon's a hot name, right? He's super private though. Like no social media. But good for him. Yeah. He's very, very private. He's a nurse. Does he live in... He lives in Albuquerque. Okay. That's where I'm from, New Mexico originally. But I always have to laugh. I know it's terrible to say, but of course I'll say it. I always laugh because whenever you... Typically when you meet twins, like why doesn't Cindy Crawford have a twin or David Beckham have a twin? Sure. David Beckham, no. But you know what I'm saying? Right. Like really hot people. We usually get two of people that we don't need two of. Well, Mary Kay and Ashley Olsen, they're kind of cute. But they're not identical twins. They're not? No. They're fraternal. Shut up. Lies. Well, and can't you tell Mary Kay's the better actress? No. I'm just kidding. I'm like, no. I can't tell. I'm like, Mary Kay. There's one that's a better actress. I was like, really? Please. But they're worth a gazillion dollars. They should live and be well. Yeah. Okay. So in your opinion, being, okay, well, first of all, I wanted to go back to the drag race for just a minute. Have any of the queens ever hit on you? And if you were single, would any of them ever interest you romantically? I've been hit on by a couple of queens for sure. But here's the thing though, you become friends with the queens too, certain ones, because you just become friends with them. I'm cool with Manila. Love Manila. Love Manila. I love Shangela. Really good friend of mine. None of them ever, they know my role on the show that I'm just a piece of meat. So they keep it at that. But if I was single and wasn't with my beautiful hubby who I love and adore, and I feel like this is a PSA, not a PSA, I feel like this is like a, this whole thing is just who I love and adore very much. Like that you got in trouble for something and like you're going to have to let him hear this podcast. No. I think Milk is cute as a guy. I think Milk- Okay. Milk is very cute as a guy. Courtney Act is good looking. As a man? As a man. Okay. I'm not, I don't think I've ever, I have met her as a woman. Yeah. But not as a man. Cute as a guy. Who else is? I mean, they're, yeah. Could you date somebody, knowing their personalities, could you date somebody? That does drag? Mm-hmm. Absolutely. Yeah. For sure. Because I think that coming from an artsy background myself, I know that that's just a personality. They assume. That's not who they are. And I think there's a kind of a sexiness in the duality and the personality. Like let's say you're dating like this really hot guy who becomes this really sexy drag queen. You know, it takes a lot of courage to do drag one. So to me, that's kind of hot as well that they're like able to go out there and just be like, fuck it. This is what I do. You know? I don't, I go off personality. I don't like bitchiness. So if like, if you're a bitch, then no, we're not going to vibe well because I just don't like that in anybody. So yeah. Regardless of what you do. Of what you do or if you do drag or not. What makes a great drag queen in your opinion? I'm glad you asked that question. Take notes people. Just kidding. Yes. These are Jason's notes on how to be a great drag queen. How to be a great drag queen 101. Okay. First of all, if you're going to lip sync a song, know your words. Biggest pet peeve is when I go to other cities and drag queens don't know your fucking words. How do you not know the words to love on top from Beyonce and you claim you're a Beyonce impersonator? Really? Stop the madness. Okay. Just be... I love how fiercely loyal you are to Beyonce and Mariah. Mariah. Absolutely. Freaking-lutely. Don't say anything about Mariah. I'm a lamb for life. But just the rules of being a great drag queen, Josh, are this. Make sure your aesthetic is on point, your makeup, hair, flawless. I'm a perfectionist. I'm a Libra. I'm September. Perfectionist. So make sure just whatever you do, you let them have it slay. I don't care if it's comedy drag, if it's pageant drag. If it's camp drag. If it's beauty. Just be good. Be good. Be entertaining. Be entertaining and commit to what you're doing. Make sure... Don't half-ass it. A lot of these... I see so many drag queens that want to go and be awesome, but they're not really putting the due diligence and the time needed to be awesome. As a host, I train as a host. I go to classes. I work with people because I want to be the best self I can. I want them to be like, "Wow, Jason Carter is fucking fantastic." Same thing with drag or any medium you're interested in. If you want to shovel shit, be the best damn shit shoveler you can. So just be on top of your look. Be on top of your brand as a drag queen because look at Shangela, eliminated from both seasons. Probably one of the most successful drag queens out now because she figured it out. She figured out that my brand has to be that tight, that has to be that much on point for people to want to work with me. Like I said, drag is an industry now. Masters of talent are buying drag queens now. You have the potential to make a lot of money being a drag queen whereas before Drag Race, mid 2000s and beyond, it wasn't as in demand as it is now. So if you really want to do this or you are doing this, up your game. If you feel like you haven't evolved, Joan Rivers, and I'll get to where I'm going with this. Joan Rivers says she has to reinvent herself. She reinvented herself every three years because she was like, "If I don't have a booking, if the last thing I booked is in April and it's already June, something's a problem." Right. So you got to reinvent yourself. Same thing with drag queens. Reinvent yourself. And just make sure that you're staying ahead of the curb, ahead of the trend, and be awesome. Be awesome. I mean, everybody should just be awesome. Boom. So behind the scenes, is there any dish you can share with us? Like any wig fights, panty pulling, anything that you can ... Yeah. Me and Miles play swords. Just kidding. No, we don't. People always ask, "Do you guys play swords?" No. There's really ... The pit crew, we're sequestered. We're actually ... We get paid. We get paid. But ushered on set, removed from set. So there's really no- So you don't really interact with anyone? Absolutely not. Okay. There is no ... No. We don't fraternize with the queens. Again, it's a competition show. The integrity of the show is all that matters. So there's no tea. There's no backstage drama or anything. Not since I've been there. And I've been there a while. So no. Okay. So now tell me about some of your other ... You've mentioned your hosting and broadcast work other than RuPaul's Drag Race. No. So tell me a little bit about that and some of what you ... What I do? Some of the other things that you're doing or working on. Yeah. What you do. What do I do? Tell us what you do, starting with when you wake up in the morning. I get up. Fart. Just kidding. No. I do a lot of ... Online is where digital's going nowadays. Right. Don't really watching TV anymore. So I do a lot of online shows for networks like After Buzz or Stream. I'm right now ... I really can't talk about this. But I'm up for a really good opportunity to be a fashion correspondent. So hopefully that'll work out. I didn't know I've gone back home and anchored the news, done a lot of lifestyle shows. I was a radio jockey for 10 years on four different formats. Top 40, CHR Rhythmic, Urban, Talk Radio. So you work a lot. Yeah. Yeah. I stay pretty busy. I stay pretty busy. Drag Race is just another jewel in my bag of jewels. As it were. So obviously you're ... You're an artist. You're charming and more than just being handsome. He's a bitch. So how would you describe your personality to people? If someone said, "Who is Jason Carter?" Who is Jason Carter? Thanks. Glad you asked, Josh. Good. Where did that come? It just popped into my head. God, is that you? My personality is I'm always the life of the party. Okay. I'd rather give than receive. Sexually. Just kidding. No. I'd rather give than receive. Is that in bed and in real life? I'd rather give than receive. I'm energy, friendly, fun. I'm tons of fun. I'm fun. I also have people like, "Listen, when I leave the party, it's a wrap." Because I'm like- Yeah. That party's over. It's over. Yeah. But see, we haven't been at the same parties up until now. Well, we're going to change that, Josh. So you're going to have to up your game. Okay. Bye. It won't be a problem for you because I'm usually in bed by nine. Yeah. Me too. What are you talking about? I'm sensitive. I love what people say. Do you want to... I thought maybe we'd do something like, "How about we meet at 10?" I'm like, "Meet at 10?" 10. Press your head. I've finished dinner, seen a movie, and I'm already tucked in with the People Magazine. Yo, by 10, two sleeping pills, out. Out. I mean, what is with people? I know. Now, I read somewhere that you came out later in life. I think it was around 27. I did. I didn't come out until I was 31. Last year? Exactly. Well, congratulations, Josh. I mean... How's it feel? Just brushed my hair off my shoulder. How was it for you? So I'm just curious for you as to why you waited that long. Well... I mean, I obviously had my own story, which you can read in Porn Again, a memoir available now wherever books are sold. Not that I'm plugging anything. The reason why I think, well, okay, so I dated my first guy. Oh, that's... I'll never forget. Summer of 2001. And it was... You always know you're gay, you know, growing up, you know, at the high school. But some people say... I mean, I knew when I was in kindergarten. Sure. Some people say that they didn't figure it out till late. You know, I don't know. I knew. I mean, you don't really know because you're not sexualized. You don't really know what it is, but there's this sort of fiber of awareness that goes through you. Right. Absolutely. That's how I describe it. You know, you hit the nail on the head. Absolutely. Josh, you're very right. And I dated this guy. It was a really bad relationship. Like, really bad. It was a really bad relationship. Like, we're... Because back home... This is before you came out. Before I came out. Back home, I hosted a TV show in Albuquerque, and then I was on the radio, so I really couldn't be out. Were you out to your family? No, I was not. So I was living this double life. So in 2001, the LGBT presence was nowhere near as accepting as it is 15 years later. Right. Nowhere near. And at 21 years old, because I'm 36 now, at 21 years old, it was like, you know... So, I was like, "I'm not gay." I was like, "I'm not gay." I was like, "I'm not gay." I was like, "I'm not gay." I was like, "I'm not gay." I was like, "I'm not gay." So, I was like, "I'm not gay." I was like, "I'm not gay." So, I had this bad relationship. I just realized that I just asked you if you had... I just... You had already told me how old you were when you... I mean, I said that you were 27 when you came out. And then you were talking about in 2000... I don't know. Anyway, I could have done the math there, but I don't do math. Okay. Sorry. Neither do I hate math. But you were 27 when you came out, and then you were talking about in 2000... I don't know. Anyway, I could have done the math there, but I don't do math. Okay. Sorry. Neither do I hate math. And so, I just... Bad relationship. So, I was abusive, all these things. So, one day, I just had had enough. I had... Came back from LA. I was in this relationship long distance. A lot of things transpired that were really just too much to handle. And it was all because I was living this double life. And so, one day, it was just... It just happened. And I was like, "I'm not gay." And I was like, "I'm not gay." And I was like, "I'm not gay." And I was like, "I'm not gay." And I was like, "I'm not gay." And I was like, "I'm not gay." And I was like, "I'm not gay." And I was like, "I'm not gay." And I was like, "I'm not gay." And I was like, "I'm not gay." And I was like, "I'm not gay." And I was like, "I'm not gay." And I was like, "I'm not gay." And I was like, "I'm not gay." And I was like, "I'm not gay." And I was like, "I'm not gay." And I was like, "I'm not gay." And I was like, "I'm not gay." And I was like, "I'm not gay." And I was like, "I'm not gay." And I was like, "I'm not gay." And I was like, "I'm not gay." And I was like, "I'm not gay." And I was like, "I'm not gay." And I was like, "I'm not gay." And I was like, "I'm not gay." And she was like, "What's wrong?" And I was like, "Well, this is what's going on." And I just told her. And she was like, "I know." She's like, "I've known." She's like, "I've always known." And it wasn't about the gay thing. She knew something was wrong. And she put two and two together. And then she knew I was in this bad relationship. But she kept asking me questions. And my mom, your mother knows when there's something up with her kid. Mm-hmm. But I'm so... I particularly think mothers and sons have a special thing. Absolutely. Totally. And I was so secretive. And normally, I'm really open about things. So we talked about it. And now, it was never an issue. When I came out to my dad, that was a whole different story. But my mom, it was never an issue. It was like, "Okay, cool. Let's grab lunch. Keep moving." It was nothing. So your father, do you still have a relationship with him? Absolutely. Yeah. And he's okay with it now? Or you just don't discuss it? He was never not okay with it. What happened was, I came out to my father when I was 33. I was going to New Orleans to visit him. And he was like, "Hey, are you going to bring your partner with you?" I almost cried. I crashed on the 101. I was like, "What do you mean, partner? What are you talking about?" And he was like, "Jay, come on. Facebook, social media. I know." What's his name? Muffin? Munchkin? That's his nickname. And so, but my family, my twin brother, everyone's very supportive. It's not even an issue. Because my mom, family's family. Now, how old were you when you first experimented with men sexually? 21. Oh, so that was it. And had you ever been with a woman before? Oh, I was Captain Sausage in high school, for sure. Really? Yeah. I have been with lots of girls. Wow. That's impressive. Lots of girls. Lots of girls. I have not. Oh. I love hearing, like, lots. Lots and lots and lots. I'm so friends with what my... Yeah. Some girls are still like, "Damn." Oh. You're letting all that go to waste. I'm like, "Well, you know, it just wasn't... Sorry." So am I correct? So let's talk about Munchkin for a minute. Okay. Sure. Who, by the way, is an amazing, wonderful guy. I'm going to say it for you so you don't have to say it again. He is. He's wonderful. Yeah. So you've been with him for more than six years. Yes. And his name is also Jason. Jason. Yeah. So are you guys actually married? We're domestic partners. Okay. And he has two children. Yes. From a previous marriage. So you're a parent. I am. I'm a stepmom. Yeah, for sure. Does having the same name, does that whole thing ever get confusing? Not at all. I call him Munchkin because he's shorter than me. I'm 6'3". He's 5'9". Okay. So everyone's shorter than you. Everyone's a midget. Okay. A small person. I'm sorry. No, you can be NPC here. Okay. He's perfect. He is like everything I never knew I wanted in a person. He's 10 years older than me, so he has a different ... He's a father, so his thought process on a lot of things is in parent mode. And even with me sometimes, he tries to be my dad, which I don't mind. But he's just so awesome. He's fun and he lets me love him. And he's got really cute ears and cute cheeks and he's just perfect. And people always say there's no one that's perfect, but to me, even in all his stories, even in all his flaws, and he does have some flaws, but they're not flaws to me. Well, I think that's when you know you're in love with somebody is when their flaws become endearments. Yeah. He's a backseat driver. He's always right. He's an attorney, so he has this always right complex. He thinks he knows everything and it's like, "Okay." He's a little hot headed sometimes and I think that's why we're so good for each other because I give to him what he needs and he gives me what I need. And so I'm patient. I'm more accepting. I'm like, "Okay. Let's go." I'm more accepting of... I tolerate a lot of things and not tolerate, meaning he's so bad, but I'm able to smooth things out when the waters are rough with him and he's upset about things or he's stressed out because that's what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to be there. Be there. Right. But yeah, six, seven years going strong, he's going to be happier. Now, what is his comfort level with your being the object of desire for so many other men? He actually loves it. He thinks it's a compliment to him because he... Yeah. Because he has the prize. He... I'm his... And I don't say it like I'm his property, but I'm committed to him. He's got this. And so, I mean, obviously he's more popular than me. He's got like 35,000 followers on Instagram where I'm barely... I mean... Barely... I don't know why I'd ever want to follow an attorney. He's really cute though. But what kinds of pictures is he posting? He's got to go on Instagram and see. It's like my sister said to me when I... Before my book came out. She... I did not let my... My sister's an attorney as well. And she's very risk averse for that reason. Of course. So, I did not let her see the manuscript for the book. I figured she'll have to see it when the book actually is on the shelf in the store because I didn't want her risk averse mentality to affect what I was doing with the book. Sure. The lawyers had gone through the book. It wasn't her problem to deal with. And she said to me... I remember we were walking in New York one day and she said, "I would never do something like this. I would never write a book like that that's so revealing." And I said, "Well, that's great because no one would want to read your book." Boom. I was like, "You're a lawyer. You're an intellectual property lawyer in Manhattan." So, please save everyone from having to read that crazy, outrageous memoir. Do you want any of our favor? Yeah. So, have you been able to use your visibility on drag race to sort of speak on LGBT issues, and sort of use that? Yeah. Have you used that as a platform? Absolutely. I imagine it gives you a great opportunity to do that. For sure. I think, Josh, some of the best times to do that is when people reach out to you on social media. A couple months ago, I had a kid who was depressed. I was clinically depressed. So, I know what that's like. Right. And he was like, "What should I do?" And I was like, "Well, you should seek help. If you're going to hurt yourself, call 9-1-1." Does this happen in a public tweet or in private message? A public message. A public message. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Okay. It's a public tweet. It's a public tweet. Okay. And people ask me all the time about self-esteem, coming out, wanting to do drag, and they're in the closet. And I try to, to the best of my ability, be a sense of positivity for them. I think that's most important, because you can go and speak at conferences. You can go and be a mouthpiece for the LGBT community and do it at rallies and stuff like that. But there's nothing as powerful as when someone directly... In the dark. In the dark, I call it, reaches out to you because they genuinely and honestly need your... Or looking for guidance. Because I remember... Ooh, there were so many times in my life, Josh, where I wanted guidance, where I wanted someone to save me. And not save me in a sense of... But when you're scared and you feel alone, you feel like something's wrong with you, you're going to hell, all these emotions that a teenager should not be feeling. You should not... I have a nephew who is so awesome because he's six and he's happy. And I think kids should be happy. I think teenagers should be happy. You should go to dances. You should... Those years you will never get back. Right. You should be happy. And I wasn't. I was scared and alone and afraid and insecure and no confidence and just the worst. So when you have... When someone reaches out to me that's going through that, I think that matters more than doing a tweet bitching and complaining about equality and all these things that matter, of course they matter. Right. But fall on deaf ears because no one's really listening. So to me, that's what is a blessing to me being on Drag Race and having the platform I have is to directly impact someone's life versus being, "Hey, I'm at this rally, but I'm a personality, but am I really truly helping someone?" Right. But you are. You are. And you're giving people... It gives people hope. They see that. Right. Yeah. So I want to answer a sex and/or dating question from my Gay Times column. But you talk in your blog, which people can find at jasonunleashed.com, along with a lot of other fun things. You talk about going commando fairly regularly. Yeah. Are you wearing underwear right now? Actually, I am wearing underwear right now, only because- Of course you had to the day that you come to my show. I know. Well, I didn't know you were going to read my blog. What the fuck is that? I know. But here's the reason why I like going commando. And I want to know why you decided to wear underwear today. Okay. I like going commando because I like... I would never be inappropriate. Right. Because I feel like some, especially if you go through WeHo, there's a lot of VPL, WeHo, but I just like the freedom and asserting my masculinity. If I want to swing in the breeze, I can. It's cool. It's cool. It's like a locker room. I don't know. And I'm not small by any means, so it's just nice to let it just hang there and do its thing. I mean- That's a lot of information. Well, also, I don't have to do as much laundry. And it's just because I grew up so self-imposed sheltered person and never really... I didn't really think I was sexy, and even some days I don't think I was sexy. I didn't really think I was even cute or had a body until I was like 28. You know what I mean? I always felt like, because I was a skinny kid, and you look in the mirror, you always see that- That person. Right. You see the young- Right. Or your- I think you see yourself, but you're most insecure. Absolutely. Yeah. And no matter how hard, and you see your body every day, so no matter how hard you work out or how hard you change it, you still always have that, "Oh, I was this or I was that." And you never really lose... You don't ever lose that. So what was behind your decision to wear underwear today, the one day you come here? Because I was wearing these jeans- Yeah. And they shave against my- Oh, right. We don't need that happening. Yeah. And so it was just kind of uncomfortable. Have you seen those Cottonelle ads about going commando? Yeah. I mean, how horrible is that? It's like a man and a woman in white pants, and they're encouraging you to go commando because Cottonelle is so good that it would leave no skid marks. Gross. I mean, honestly- Totally. Cottonelle is inappropriate on some of those- That is the most inappropriate... I know. Those ads are so... They conjure such a disgusting image to me. Totally. But here's the thing. It's relatable. Like the Hail the V, the Vagisil commercials? Wars have been fought over it. Like you talk about someone's vagina. Is that what we're talking about? Vagina cream. Okay. So to quickly answer a sex question, so Tyler in Cleveland is in an eight-year relationship with his partner. Recently, his other half proposed the idea of inviting friends into their bedroom for three ways to spice up their sex life. Tyler wasn't aware that there was a problem with their repertoire or that his husband was at all bored with their physical relationship, but he's open to group sex if that's what his husband needs. He wants to know what our thoughts are on introducing sex. He wants to know what our thoughts are on introducing friends into the sex play. I think, okay, here's the thing with that. Open relationships are a slippery slope, but if there is... And I've been in one, all in the book, born again, a memoir available now wherever books are sold. Yeah. Because like, first of all, people be thirsty. Right. And then you have all these other variables that could happen, like, so what if the other guy is not into you as much as he is into your guy? And then what if you can't get aroused or there's so many things that come into play. I think that if... Well, I actually, in Gay Times, actually last month, I do talk about three ways and sort of the ground rules that you need to have and the five or six things you need to have in place before you even dip your toe in that water. So to save time, people can go to Gay Times and read that one. But I agree with you, like there are so many variables. That could happen. Yeah. Variables galore. Now, are you and Jason monogamous? Absolutely. Yeah. And... So this... I think if you're talking specifically about friends, I think that's even more dangerous. Right. Because you have a relationship with this person and... Right. That can then... That will forever be changed. For sure. In one way or another. Right. Because what happens... Let's just say me and you are in a relationship. Right. I invite my friend over. We get it on. And all of a sudden, he's like messaging you behind my back. Right. And like, it's just so many things. And also... So I would say if you're gonna do that, it should either be somebody who's sort of anonymous to you and your partner. Right. In and out, bye. Or, you know, I hired porn stars for three ways. Yeah. There you go. That's what I did. I mean, it was business. Business. Exactly. Because once it's business, there's no emotion attached to it. It's just get out. Get off. Get out. Go home. Well, and the other thing that concerns me about this for Tyler is that if he's trying to fix a relationship... No. A sexual relationship by bringing somebody in, that is not a path to fixing a relationship. Absolutely not. And sometimes by somebody in a relationship suggesting a three-way, it's really just asking... It's basically cheating in broad daylight is what it is. Right. It's... And it's also indicative, I think, of the person... How the person feels the climate of their sexual situation is, you know? They feel like one person's bored or not getting it enough. I think that's a conversation that they should have with each other and be like, "Okay, why do you want this? What am I not doing? How can we fix this within ourselves?" Now, if it's because they want... They both are like, "We want to bring somebody in." They want the variety. Right. If it's in accordance, then yeah. But if it's like one person that's like, "I want a three-way because I think this might..." And one person's not in accordance with it, then you guys need to revisit your relationship and figure out why are you guys on the same page, and what can you do with each other to get back on the same page. To get back there. Right. I totally agree. So, Jason, this is like the fastest hour. Thank you so much, Jason Carter from RuPaul's Drag Race Pit Crew, among many other projects. You can find him on Facebook @JasonJCarter, Twitter @JJCforever. That's so... Thank you. You're welcome. I know. Grease. I know. Lightning. JJCforever. Grease, yeah. And on Instagram @JasonCarterOfficial. Yes. And keep an eye out for the RuPaul's Drag Race finale, which is coming. It's two weeks, yeah. Two weeks. Yeah. And you'll be at RuPaul's Drag Con. I will. And there'll be some new episodes of Porn Again, the podcast, coming up soon. Thanks for joining us. Josh, thank you for having me. I had a blast. You're awesome. Thank you. Thanks for listening. The No Holds Barred conversation continues. 24/7 on Facebook @JoshSaberaAuthor, and Twitter and Instagram @JoshSabera, and then buckle your seat belts for some titillating real talk. Porn Again: A Memoir by Josh Sabera is available now as a trade paperback, ebook, and audiobook.